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Speaker 2: You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.

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Speaker 3: Fresh on the heels of what may have been the

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Speaker 3: worst debut in NFL instry.

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Speaker 4: From a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Oh day, but you mean day, Bud Shoulder Sanders will

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Speaker 3: be getting to start on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Carry what if? What was this QBR or quarterback?

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Speaker 3: We're the lowest for a debut by any quarterback I

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Speaker 3: think in fifteen years.

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Speaker 5: Man, Listen, those are fact, that's a fact. But this

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Speaker 5: man hasn't even taken a first team rep. Well, he's

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Speaker 5: gonna be.

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Speaker 3: Getting all the refs this week because again should your

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Speaker 3: Sanders will be getting to start QB one for the

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Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns this Sunday in Vegas when they take on

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Speaker 3: the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: All Right, I'm just gonna say it out front, and

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Speaker 1: I know you're gonna think it's hyperbole. And here's rob

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Speaker 1: of course, going overboard and making something bigger than it is.

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Speaker 1: But this is judgment day for Shador Sanders. Judgment day.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about snaps. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to about he didn't they who have a week's practice,

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Speaker 1: all of that under his belt.

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Speaker 4: He better not hold onto the ball too long. He

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Speaker 4: better not fumble.

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Speaker 1: He better not throw a couple of interceptions against this

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Speaker 1: terrible team called the Las Vegas Raiders. If you can't

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Speaker 1: beat them and perform like everybody's been beating them like

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Speaker 1: a drum, here's your opportunity.

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Speaker 4: You better play well. All of your excuse makers.

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Speaker 1: I don't want a hear you if he throws two

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Speaker 1: or three pigs or fumble and they lose to the Raiders,

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Speaker 1: It's set up on a.

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Speaker 4: Platter for you. This is better than Thanksgiving. You know why.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to have the gravy or the joy,

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Speaker 1: the cranberry sauce. This is straight turkey juicy, and what

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Speaker 1: okaypta about the turkey.

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Speaker 4: All you need to do.

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Speaker 1: Is come out and ball out and beat the Raiders

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Speaker 1: like everybody else.

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Speaker 4: Put your athletic talent on display.

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Speaker 1: We already know that the Browns have the defense that's

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Speaker 1: gonna stop the Raiders. Right, yes, So now it's just

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Speaker 1: a question of can you put up points against that team,

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Speaker 1: that pathetic team that Pete Carroll has in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: You better play well, you better excel. If not, don't

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Speaker 1: want to hear it, don't want to hear the excuses.

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Speaker 5: Here's your opportunity. Should do no one, this is a

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Speaker 5: prime opportunity. He's playing a team that is not good.

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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna go to your level with the rod,

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Speaker 5: but they are not good, not a good team. Ideal situation.

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Speaker 5: Pete Carroll should be embarrassed. It's one thing carrying and

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Speaker 5: I'm just gonna say that. You could be like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: You know you know you expected Gino to play batteries

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Speaker 1: play really bad. So the quarterback players isn't great, but

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Speaker 1: they got a decent defense. They still got a decent

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Speaker 1: special team. No, no, they're not nothing. They can't run

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Speaker 1: the ball, quarterback players atrocious. Their defense is bad like

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Speaker 1: coach earlier this year. Yeah nothing, no, no, that they're

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Speaker 1: a bad team. And Shada does have a chance to

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Speaker 1: why he should be the guy there. This is this

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Speaker 1: may be his only chance in Cleveland, which it sounds crazy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he's a rookie and he hasn't played

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Speaker 4: So now, but you saw maybe there's a reason. Oh,

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Speaker 4: I mean you see that game one the numbers. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: That's that? Is that a fair criticism? You're like, he

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Speaker 5: Ye, he doesn't know what he's looking at yet, right,

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Speaker 5: And that's part of it, right, Like he hasn't gotten

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Speaker 4: But in this game, he has a week to practice.

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Speaker 5: He's going to be the guy that has rapport with

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Speaker 5: coming out coming out the woodworks ready to crucify him

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Speaker 4: Could I raise my hand? Go ahead? You are? You

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Speaker 4: already said? I already said it. I do. I believe

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Speaker 4: this is a layup.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying this is set up for him for all

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Speaker 1: the people. The NFL has conspired because they don't like Shador.

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Speaker 1: They would to put him in his play, so they

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Speaker 1: But they conspired against Shador? Why why? In Cleveland they

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Speaker 1: having won, Jack, don't tell me that Stefanski and the

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Speaker 1: playing a guy who can play.

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Speaker 4: Come on, carry, it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. What

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Speaker 1: Not for long? So if you don't win, you think

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Speaker 4: And who doesn't play? Everybody in that.

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Speaker 1: Locker room, everybody I've never been in there, but I've

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Speaker 1: been covering sports for almost forty years. They know who

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Speaker 4: One hundred per am I right, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 5: If that guy was ready to play, and he was

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Speaker 1: All the players were going to the coach and go,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing? This guy should be the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He can't. The guy can't play. One thousand, Yes, that's

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Speaker 1: how it happens. No, for sure, like, yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: where you're a fifth round guy. The fifth round guy

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Speaker 4: Even in that game, Yeah, carry was there, did the.

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Speaker 1: Last drive he could have drove down and throw a

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Speaker 4: There's a couple opportunities there.

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Speaker 1: What so, So it's not like, oh my god, no,

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Speaker 1: who knows winning overtime? And then you have a totally

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Speaker 1: different narrative, wouldn't you? You would, But I'll tell you this,

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Speaker 1: I don't think. Yes, there was an opportunity, the opportunity

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Speaker 1: been able to process that and win that game. Baltimore

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Speaker 1: go with the ball. After that, they pressured that man.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he had They did what you're supposed to do.

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Speaker 4: No answers. But now he has a week, so hopefully

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Speaker 4: he has the answer to the test.

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Speaker 1: All right, we want to hear your answer. Eight seven

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Speaker 1: How much pressure is on cha door, Sanders? I think

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Speaker 1: there's so much pressure. Pressure bust pipes and chador Sanders.

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Speaker 3: ESPN's Tim mcmah who's covered the team for decades now,

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Speaker 3: in a long form piece discussing actually Mark Cuban and

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Speaker 3: Ico Harrison in their battle for power.

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Speaker 4: There at the end.

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Speaker 3: That the club is expected. Team sources tell him to

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Speaker 3: try to trade Anthony Davis ahead of the upcoming NBA

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Speaker 3: traded line, which means the headlining guy in the Luka

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Speaker 3: Doncic deal they're looking to move off of.

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Speaker 5: Well Rob that was trending earlier. But then Cuban just

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Speaker 5: came out probably that he did say they're not trading.

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Speaker 5: The problem is he does have any say in the deal.

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Speaker 5: That's the only problem that's like me say no, we

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Speaker 5: ain't trading it. But the only thing out on the stand. Seriously, Mark,

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Speaker 5: if I'm the new owner, do go away.

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Speaker 4: I want you to go away.

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Speaker 1: Yes, why because I gave you the you sold the

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Speaker 1: team to me. You don't get to sell a team

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Speaker 1: and then and then play with it. That's all I'm saying, Like, seriously,

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Speaker 1: you know what like and then you're going to be

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Speaker 1: the spokesman.

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Speaker 4: No, you sold the team. Why did you sell? Then?

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Speaker 4: I know that's crazy. I don't know why I did it?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: Why sell off?

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Speaker 1: This is your passion and you love the NBA and

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Speaker 1: so you can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Speaker 1: See, I'm with you. It's illogical. Okay, you built this team.

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Speaker 4: This is a mistake. Let's do something else.

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Speaker 4: Right, And you think those NBA players are gonna do that?

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Speaker 1: It doesn't always work out like that was the case,

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Speaker 3: I can't believe that a guy who is so anti

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Speaker 3: The snow we got three Caucasians on the exciting white

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Speaker 4: Nineteen Liverpool crazy. I told you this before.

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Speaker 4: This is the last time you've ever.

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Speaker 1: Seen ten white guys in an NBA game at the

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Speaker 1: Lebron James made his uh twenty twenty five NBA day.

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Speaker 4: Butt it was not a day, but it was more

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Speaker 3: Come out of that game was everybody was saying, well,

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Speaker 3: He's gonna dominate the ball like he always has, And

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Speaker 4: That was easy to do.

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Speaker 5: Okay, let me go first on this robe because he

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Speaker 5: He may be second, but he's not first anymore. This

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Speaker 5: Now, will he take the back seat to Austin Reeves

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Speaker 5: If his ego doesn't get in the way, Rob, he

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Speaker 5: have a little energy in the playoffs. If that happened,

442
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Speaker 5: so for me, he should take a back seat, and

443
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Speaker 5: if his ego doesn't get in the way, I think

444
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,160
Speaker 5: this thing could could work out.

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Speaker 1: You make sense, okay, But whether or not Lebron will

446
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,359
Speaker 1: subscribe to that, you don't think he will, but he

447
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:33,639
Speaker 1: should be the third option.

448
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 4: And no matter what, and if.

449
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 1: The Lakers remember new ownership, new this is not the

450
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:49,639
Speaker 1: people who tu recruited you and Magic and Genie Buss. No,

451
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 1: this is not those people anymore. No, Okay, they brought

452
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Speaker 1: in Luca. He's twenty five or six, you know, you're

453
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Speaker 1: forty five.

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Speaker 4: You know, like, like, let's just.

455
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Speaker 1: Keep it real, and they should be building for the

456
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 1: future as you go on. And Austin Reeves has more

457
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: of a chance of being around with Luca for the

458
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Speaker 1: next five or six years than Lebron.

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Speaker 4: So it should be obvious.

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Speaker 1: You don't owe anybody a victory lap sentimental reasons all that,

461
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Speaker 1: and once you get into that, you might as well

462
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Speaker 1: move on totally. If it should never be about that

463
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 1: Lebron has outstayed his welcome, I agree, period. I know

464
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 1: people think that's hard. Tom Brady outstayed is welcome. You know, like,

465
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Speaker 1: when you play that long, it becomes an issue. It

466
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Speaker 1: just does because people are like, well, you can't say

467
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Speaker 1: nothing to him, Yeah, what are you gonna do If

468
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: he wants to play, you gotta play him. How are

469
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Speaker 1: you gonna tell him to take a back seat? A

470
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Speaker 1: third seat at that, not even just a backseat, third set.

471
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Speaker 1: But if you're serious about winning, serious about moving the

472
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Speaker 1: Lakers forward, Lebron represents the past, not the present, not

473
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Speaker 1: the future. Who operates like that? You can't live in

474
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Speaker 1: the past. A lot of people, dude, it was great.

475
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Speaker 1: You see this happen with teams. They don't want to

476
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Speaker 1: let people go. I'll give you a perfect example, the Celtics,

477
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Speaker 1: the Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parrisher.

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Speaker 4: They didn't trade any of those guys. They weren't.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, we get if they would have moved off

480
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Speaker 1: of some of those guys at you know what I

481
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Speaker 1: mean at the time when they were stars, after they

482
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Speaker 1: had already won their few championships, and then replenish and

483
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Speaker 1: keep one of those three, they could have done something.

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Speaker 5: Do you think that's different because they've already had success

485
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Speaker 5: in the legacy Because in that same vein, I agree

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Speaker 5: with you. But in the same vein, like if Dallas

487
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Speaker 5: was to move on from Dirk in the years when

488
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Speaker 5: he wasn't good, you think it would have been received

489
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Speaker 5: the same.

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Speaker 4: I just think Dallas and them they only won one.

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Speaker 1: That's and that's what I'm saying, and he won. Now

492
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Speaker 1: the Celtics, I think he won three, so you know

493
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Speaker 1: what I mean. And yeah, and they held on to

494
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Speaker 1: all those guys and they got old and that team,

495
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Speaker 1: if you remember from the last championship, I might be

496
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Speaker 1: off a year with Larry burn them to the next.

497
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Speaker 1: And of course Lambias died and a couple of yes,

498
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Speaker 1: So I'm not acting like those things didn't happen. They

499
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Speaker 1: went twenty years with I want like twenty like twenty years.

500
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 1: So it was a long stretch, a long drought. And

501
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Speaker 1: that's why Rick Petino will remember that whole fame.

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Speaker 4: Remember Larry Bird ain't walking through that door, you.

503
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Speaker 1: Know what I mean or whatever, because that's how bad

504
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: it was and ugly. But if I'm the Lakers, I'm

505
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 1: just dude, this is working. We're winning. But there's no

506
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Speaker 1: way Lebron is going to agree to it. But I

507
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Speaker 1: think that he should have no choice. Here's the problem.

508
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: Who's the coach? J J Reddick Lebron's boy, Lebron Lebron's

509
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: podcast partners.

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Speaker 4: So you know, I mean, what, what's the ideal situation?

511
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Speaker 5: Rob? I mean, obviously I think we're on the same page.

512
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 5: He needs to be like the third option. I agree,

513
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 5: you're the biggest lak of going. I mean, that is

514
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Speaker 5: what should happen.

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Speaker 1: I just don't believe it will happen because Lebron's ego

516
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: is too big.

517
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Speaker 4: It's the ego that always gets in the way.

518
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Speaker 3: I'm with you, I think that I think we all

519
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 3: predicted that he was gonna be the good soldier last night, like.

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Speaker 4: Right right, you're not gonna come in and like.

521
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Speaker 1: And just right.

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Speaker 3: The problem comes, if you know, come Christmas time or whatever.

523
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Speaker 3: And they had a tougher part of their schedule, take

524
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Speaker 3: a couple of losses back to back, which is gonna

525
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 3: happen to every team unless.

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Speaker 4: You're O K C. And then what because.

527
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Speaker 3: Because Lebron James, whether he's forty one, thirty one or

528
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Speaker 3: twenty one, has never taken a back seat to anybody,

529
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Speaker 3: no matter what was happening. And you could have this,

530
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Speaker 3: you know, illusion that he was trying to pass the

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Speaker 3: keys over to Anthony.

532
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Speaker 4: Davis and then that wasn't working.

533
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Speaker 3: It never happened, never happened, even though Anthony Davis was

534
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 3: the best player and he had all the numbers.

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Speaker 4: It was so no, it's Lebron's team.

536
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Speaker 3: So it's gonna go. He never wanted to give it

537
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 3: to Kyrie in Cleveland. When he was in Miami, he

538
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 3: took it from Dwayne Wade like his lunch month because

539
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 3: so far and this has been the problem. And rest

540
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Speaker 3: in peace, Christmas. Sorry Chris has said this now going

541
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Speaker 3: back on the original, He's not here no more.

542
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Speaker 4: He's not with this, you know what I mean. But Chris.

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Speaker 2: I was.

544
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Speaker 4: Pray for Chris.

545
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Speaker 3: But Chris had said, you know, you're one of the

546
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Speaker 3: odd couple, right, he was saying, the biggest reason why

547
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 3: he never thought that lebron fully fulfill this potential want

548
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 3: all the champions that he thinks his talent probably should

549
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 3: have was because he insisted on being the system.

550
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Speaker 1: Everywhere and a lot of players who could have been

551
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: even better didn't always get the new you know, to

552
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Speaker 1: use their talent. Chris Bosch is a perfect example. Even

553
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: in Miami, even though they went to four, Chris Boss

554
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: wound up standing on the perimeter, standing out there right

555
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: like this, dude, go look at his numbers in.

556
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Speaker 4: Toronto and Toronto, Am I razy?

557
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: Right?

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00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 4: Yea, yeah? Absolutely. Look at Kevin Love in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Love was doing a double double and it was

560
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Speaker 1: like twenty and twenty two, it was forty. He was going,

561
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Speaker 1: he was going. He was not even close to that

562
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Speaker 1: when he played Lebron.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I mean even later on, like right like

564
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 5: even the the Russell Westbrooks and all that. Like obviously

565
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 5: their games is falling off. But if you team up

566
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Speaker 5: with the Lebron, what do you have to gain? If

567
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 5: you win, it's Lebron's he gets the credit. If you lose,

568
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 5: you're the one getting to blame.

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Speaker 1: So I always said that, like if you win, if

570
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: they win, Lebron's the goat, and if they lose, your escape.

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00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 4: That's how That's how it.

572
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 3: Went, and that's what makes nights like last night. I'm

573
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: not gonna say fresh frustrating is the wrong word. But

574
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: you see that he's entirely capable of playing that way.

575
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 3: You see fitting in because he's so good and he's

576
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 3: so dynamic, he can do whatever you ask him to do.

577
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 3: The problem is is he has to be willing to

578
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 3: set aside his ego to play a certain role, and

579
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 3: so far in twenty three plus years in the NBA,

580
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 3: he hasn't shown a willingness to do that.

581
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Speaker 4: And you got to remember, Okay, so he gets praised.

582
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: Now after a while on the shows on people start

583
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,239
Speaker 1: talking Lebron's washed. He's the third option, you know what

584
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: I mean, Like the Lakers don't need him, like all that.

585
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 4: Then you get in your feeling. What are you talking?

586
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 4: He said?

587
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: He proclaimed himself the goat. I say, you can't be

588
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: King of the United States. I only recognize one kid,

589
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: who's that's Burger King. Other than that, I don't recognize

590
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: Eddie Kings. Oh my goodness, and that's a bad that's

591
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: a bad king. Recognize no man.

592
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Speaker 5: I just I hope for his sake, just for his sake,

593
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 5: And like you said it, he's already outlived. He's outlived

594
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 5: as basketball days, he said, Like seriously, like and let

595
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 5: these kids eat and play well, and you do the

596
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 5: ancillary things to help your team win.

597
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 4: Be that guy that you wanted other people to be

598
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 4: your whole career.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, you know, I don't see me sticking around

600
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: too long watching What do you think he's going to?

601
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 4: What is he going? Is he gonna take a back

602
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 4: seat and say that's better for the team. No, But the.

603
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 5: Crazy part g he has to, like you know what

604
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 5: I mean, Like, I know what you're saying, because I

605
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 5: agree with you, like the ego is a thing, right,

606
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 5: But he can't We've seen the last couple of years.

607
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 4: He can't do it alone anyway.

608
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: But but look if Austin Reeves has a bad week

609
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: or you know what I mean, that's all it would take,

610
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: is like they lose too with three in a row

611
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: and say Austin's shooting. Well, oh, y'all don't need me,

612
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Oh, y'all what you know

613
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: what y'all thought, y'all thought I was the wash k

614
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out there and then one night maybe

615
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: forces up to be able to score forty points, you know,

616
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: and to say he could.

617
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 4: Still do it. You know what he will do.

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00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 5: I think he would actually pull with Kobe though, and

619
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 5: not shoot the ball at all in the whole game,

620
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 5: just to prove a point.

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Speaker 4: That was the That was the low point in Koby,

622
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 4: you know what I mean?

623
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Speaker 3: Like and would you admit that, Oh yeah, that was

624
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: that He could his basketball career. Absolutely he could.

625
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: If he could take that back, he would because that

626
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: was so un Kobe like.

627
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 3: Hey, but it worked. They got them power song and

628
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: a couple of chips later. But that was playing chess,

629
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: not checkers over here.

630
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that was.

631
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: Only because they what's his name, the GM had a

632
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,719
Speaker 1: deal with the devil in Charlotte. That was a terrible

633
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: trade to getis Memphis. Jerry West, Jerry Jerry West. That

634
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: was like like that was a wink wing. Jerry West

635
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 1: helped the Lakers in that tree, you know that.

636
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: Who did they get? Who did they give up? Marcasol

637
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 3: Marcasot's good. They gave up nobody Kwame Brown just because

638
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: he called you ugly, Rob, You don't like Kwami. Before that,

639
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 3: you will talking out what happened. Rob and Chris were

640
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 3: getting ripped on these viral videos for like a week straight.

641
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: He called Chris glowstick. He said, Rob Parker's ugly, Right,

642
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: that was it.

643
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 4: I remember that you were fine with him when he

644
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 4: was tracking everybody else.

645
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: Then he came at you, and you're like, nas the

646
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: line I crossed the line I did.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna say I'm ugly you, Rob