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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal. I'll that for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 2: I want to be happy.

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for Dake Edith State.

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Speaker 3: Is that whoo whoom? And Dan and Tye welcome back

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Speaker 3: to the solid verbal, Boys and girls, my name is

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Speaker 3: ty Hildebrand, joining me as always over there in sunny, springy,

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Speaker 3: still fatherly New York City. My man Dan Rubinstein, I

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Speaker 3: guess I should add Sweet sixteen y New York City.

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Speaker 3: Your Organ ducks in the Sweet sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's true. They're not playing. I think they're playing wouis.

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Speaker 3: This is a basketball show now, in case you weren't

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Speaker 3: made aware.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've watched three Organ games this year, and I'm

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Speaker 1: here to tell you all about them. They're tall, Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much. I accomplished a lot with the Sweet sixteen.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry if I sound distracted. The I'm hearing the

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Speaker 1: faint screams of my son, the solid baby in the back.

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Speaker 3: We'll have this, see, we'll have this now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he has so many Wisconsin thoughts, and I told

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Speaker 1: him you're not able to articulate them in a concise manner.

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Speaker 1: So we can't have you on the show quite yet,

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Speaker 1: so he's real bummed. What is the over under for

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Speaker 1: when we'll get our first commentary from the solid baby

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Speaker 1: on the show? When did you see the Clemson, Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: home and home that was announced in twenty thirty six

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Speaker 3: See if we work this right, yeah, he can just

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Speaker 3: come up with a filling on my end, much younger filling.

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Speaker 1: Is this like when Casey Caasem's daughter tried to take

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Speaker 1: over his Top forty show.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember that.

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Speaker 1: I am almost positive she there was something along those

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Speaker 3: which you can find again at our website at solidverbal

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Speaker 3: dot com. So, if you've been listening to us this

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Speaker 3: long cold off season, it's only been a few months,

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Speaker 3: but you know that we've been doing these conference autopsies. Specifically,

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Speaker 3: you've been going out talking to the people, yeah, and

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Speaker 3: doing conference autopsies. We've got one major conference left and

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Speaker 3: that is the Big Ten Patriot going oh, sorry, the

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Speaker 3: Big ten Dan, which we're going to be addressing today

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Speaker 3: courtesy of our good friend whom.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be talking to, Matt Fortuna. Hopefully that's

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Speaker 1: how you pronounce it, and he doesn't hate people pronouncing

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Speaker 1: it too. It's not my Fortuna Fortuna. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's the tuna. Yeah, Matt Fortuna from the Athletic He

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Speaker 1: used to be at ESPN. He's a national college football

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Speaker 1: writer but based in the Midwest and does a saw.

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Speaker 1: So figured we'd lean into the Big Ten with Matt Fortuna.

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Speaker 1: He covered Notre Dame I believe for ESPN a while

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Speaker 1: like that was the specific beat and did a very

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Speaker 1: good job with that. You would know better than I.

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Speaker 1: Sure you probably were assuming consuming more Irish content than

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Speaker 1: It's tough because we've had such an incredible roster of

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Speaker 1: This year you had this, You had Ohio State finally

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Speaker 1: case in Ohio State. Who loses to Purdue in that fashion? Iowa, Iowa.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even think about the window for Iowa, but

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Speaker 1: So that kept popping up across a few teams that

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Speaker 3: But the Michigan storyline to me is what I find

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Speaker 1: One thing that I hadn't thought about after the fact

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Speaker 1: and Rose Bull champs. This is one hundred percent accurate.

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Speaker 1: That is I had totally forgotten about. And this is

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Speaker 3: Us wrongly thinking he was Burger McFarland's son.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was unfortunate. Well, Booger McFarland's name is Anthony.

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Speaker 1: It's okay you you admitted faults and we circled back.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw in a Notre Dame question, I believe

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Speaker 1: to do a Notre Dame autopsy episode because I think

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Speaker 1: having to relive some of some of twenty eight the

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Speaker 1: relitigation of that playoff game would be an issue. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that's what I'm There were little nuggets like that,

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Speaker 1: Just one like how much should that win over Ohio State?

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Speaker 1: Characterize what we think of Purdue? And they're twenty eighteen

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Speaker 3: All right, So again we're gonna be joined momentarily by

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Speaker 3: Matt for Tuna from the Athletic going to talk through

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Speaker 3: all things twenty eighteen, Big ten and Notre Dame just

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Speaker 3: for good measure to sprinkle it in there, very Midwest.

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Speaker 2: It has to be defense, right if you're Tom Allen.

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Speaker 2: about the football product to really have strong feelings either way.

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Speaker 2: That said, I think the worst thing to have this

435
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Speaker 2: program for years and I like Tom Allen is their

436
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 2: chief rival, got Jeff Brong, who I think is a

437
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 2: top and coaching college football right now, and even worse,

438
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Speaker 2: he stayed, which when you look around the country at

439
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Speaker 2: all the hirings and firings elsewhere, the best hire, the

440
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Speaker 2: best move anyone made was perdue keeping Jeff bron because

441
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Speaker 2: when you look at what he's been able to do

442
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Speaker 2: his first two years in West Lafe, given the talent

443
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Speaker 2: or lack the aref that he inherited from the previous regime,

444
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Speaker 2: there's no doubting that he's going to have the boiler

445
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Speaker 2: Makers competing for at least the Vision titles year and

446
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Speaker 2: a year out once he gets his full REGI full

447
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Speaker 2: I should say, foraging full four recruiting classes in there,

448
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Speaker 2: and if you're Indiana, that's not working in your favor.

449
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Speaker 2: Getting the unluck of the draw and falling in the

450
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Speaker 2: east with penn State, Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, you name.

451
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Speaker 2: It does not work in your favor. And again, like

452
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Speaker 2: you said last year, that defense finished thirteenth out of

453
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Speaker 2: fourteens is a big tending guards for play, and that's

454
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Speaker 2: supposed to be your mo when you promote a defense cordiator,

455
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Speaker 2: a head coach, and when you're not pulling your weight

456
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Speaker 2: on that side of the ball. Sure, how much optimism

457
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Speaker 2: is warranted when you're looking into your three of this regime.

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Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting thing. And I was thinking

459
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Speaker 1: about as you were talking about having Purdue in state.

460
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Speaker 1: Indiana also has Notre Dame in state, certainly not in

461
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Speaker 1: the conference. But if you think about if there's a

462
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Speaker 1: top level blue chip recruit in Minnesota or in Iowa

463
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Speaker 1: or in well, Pennsylvania, there's pit but in a lot

464
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Speaker 1: of big ten states, there are not that many options,

465
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Speaker 1: and you will always consider that hometown or the home

466
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Speaker 1: state school. And within Indiana, you had another down school

467
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Speaker 1: for a long time and then you have this legendary program,

468
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Speaker 1: and so it almost feels like it's that much more

469
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Speaker 1: difficult in Bloomington.

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Speaker 2: It is. And when you look at that schedule next year,

471
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Speaker 2: I mean, look Fall State, Eastern Illinois, Yukon in a

472
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Speaker 2: non conference. I mean, those should be three wins if

473
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Speaker 2: you're a competent, big time program. The crossovers are Nebraska, Northwestern, obviously, Purdue.

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Speaker 2: The West is just a craps here. I mean, yeah,

475
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Speaker 2: one through six, with apologies and my friends in Champagne.

476
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Speaker 2: I think if you threw six of those teams in

477
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Speaker 2: a hat and they came out any which way, it

478
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Speaker 2: would not surprise me regardless, because I think it's that

479
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Speaker 2: wide open, especially this year as DJ fly Can Scott

480
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Speaker 2: Cross start to get their things together. In the respect

481
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Speaker 2: of new locale, I just think it's wide open, especially

482
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Speaker 2: when we saw what Northwestern was able to do and

483
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Speaker 2: taking advantage of the down division last year. But so

484
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Speaker 2: that makes it hard to gauge, really strength to schedule

485
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Speaker 2: when you're looking at Indiana. But you need the breaks

486
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Speaker 2: to fall in your favor, and you need to take

487
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Speaker 2: advantage of those breaks when they do fall in your

488
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Speaker 2: favorite Otherwise it's easy to get lost in the shovel.

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Speaker 1: All right, give me a number that is not one

490
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Speaker 1: seven or thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Not one seven or thirteen, how about two two?

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Speaker 1: We're still we have missed the Wammi of Rutgers Again. Northwestern,

493
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Speaker 1: which is your hometown team, Northwestern is they're flat out good.

494
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Speaker 1: But when they had moments in twenty eighteen that were

495
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Speaker 1: less than that, it was generally because of the offense.

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Speaker 1: The hope is and I think you wrote about him,

497
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Speaker 1: the hope is blue chip Clemson quarterback transfer Hunter Johnson.

498
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Speaker 1: Is that difference? Is that all it? I guess, is

499
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Speaker 1: that all it should take for Northwestern to stop losing

500
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Speaker 1: something stupid in September and close out one more power?

501
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Speaker 1: Or is or is there more that needs to be

502
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Speaker 1: tapped into.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's that simple, because it's not

504
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Speaker 2: like he's replacing of guy who wasn't good. I mean,

505
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Speaker 2: Clayton Thorson was a four year starter, and yeah, you know,

506
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Speaker 2: for all of his ups and downs, he's going to

507
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Speaker 2: go down as one of the best quarterbacks in Northwestern

508
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Speaker 2: Western history. Is definitely statistically speaking, it is probably going

509
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Speaker 2: to make a lot of money in the draft, whether

510
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Speaker 2: it's day one, Day two, or day three next month.

511
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Speaker 2: So I'm not sure, I look at it in that

512
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Speaker 2: sense like quarterback was the only piece they were missing,

513
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Speaker 2: because they had a pretty good one, right, But they

514
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Speaker 2: haven't had a recruit at this position with these kind

515
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Speaker 2: of credentials the way they have in Hunter Johnson, and

516
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Speaker 2: when you talk to people around the program, when you

517
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Speaker 2: talk to people familiar with Johnson, it was almost good

518
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Speaker 2: for this kid, who was, you know, the Camp Miss

519
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: number one quarterback prospect of the country two years ago

520
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Speaker 2: to kind of, want to say, be humbled because he,

521
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: by all County is a good head on his shoulders,

522
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Speaker 2: but to get a year away from the spotlight, to

523
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Speaker 2: run the scout team against one of the better defenses

524
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Speaker 2: where they tend to learn from a guy like clating

525
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: course at Torson, to become familiar with the verbiage of

526
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Speaker 2: the playbook and with the new coaching staff, and now

527
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Speaker 2: a year later, to be kind of unvealed for the

528
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Speaker 2: world to see and look, this program is operating at

529
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Speaker 2: a level which I don't think it's ever been done. Certainly,

530
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Speaker 2: they've been in the rosewell before and have had better

531
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Speaker 2: individual seasons, but they're coming off they're winning his four

532
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Speaker 2: year stretch in Big Ten play in program history. They

533
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Speaker 2: have now their first spring and first full year in

534
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Speaker 2: that brand new two hundred and seventy million dollar facility

535
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Speaker 2: that overlooks Lake Michigan. That is worth the hype and

536
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Speaker 2: then some. I recommend anyone try to visit if you're

537
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Speaker 2: in the Chicago area. And they had a lot of young,

538
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 2: talented pieces last year. I think that the roses the

539
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: surface at gul Isaiah Paus with the running back in particular,

540
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Speaker 2: is one. I mean, they plan on red shirting this

541
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 2: guy last year until Jeremy Larkin went down and was

542
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Speaker 2: forced to medically retired, and that guy looks like one

543
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: of the best running backs in the big time forward

544
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Speaker 2: the end of the season. So I think the pieces

545
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 2: are coming together where uh, they should probably win nine

546
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Speaker 2: games or more this season and Granny get an extra

547
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 2: game when when you win your division and go to Indianapolis.

548
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Speaker 2: But I think, like you said, everyone else is kind

549
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: of waiting for them to take that not first set,

550
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Speaker 2: but but get through September without a the fuddling loss.

551
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Speaker 2: Don't use lose to the UNLV in your home opener

552
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: next year, all right? That I think will help people,

553
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Speaker 2: the people of the been breathe a little bit easier.

554
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Speaker 2: You open at Stanford. I don't think there's any shame

555
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Speaker 2: in losing a hard fought game at Stanford, but don't

556
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Speaker 2: lose the UNLV please, no absolutely or masses that matter,

557
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Speaker 2: I should say that, Oh they.

558
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Speaker 1: Do have you, you masses when Oh, that's later on

559
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Speaker 1: in the season. There, Northwestern, your typical SEC scheduling team,

560
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: scheduling a low team in November. That's that's just how

561
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Speaker 1: it works.

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Speaker 2: Big Get Ohio State off of By on a Friday night? Why? Yeah,

563
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Speaker 2: a rematch of the big time title game, a game

564
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Speaker 2: that last time moves at Evanston. Got college Game Day

565
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Speaker 2: to Evanston. Why would you put that on a Friday night?

566
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Speaker 2: I don't know. And knowing Chicago traffic with a six

567
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Speaker 2: or flock local start time, that's going to cause some problems.

568
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Evanston in the direction of all the suburbs on

569
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Speaker 1: the northern side of Chicago. Great job, big ten, great job.

570
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Speaker 1: Give me a number that is not one, two, seven,

571
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Speaker 1: or thirteen. All right, number eight Ohio State. Oh, what

572
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Speaker 1: a transition. That was so nice of you. It'd be

573
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Speaker 1: it'd be easy and almost certainly true that the tangible

574
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Speaker 1: proof of Ryan Day's effect on Ohio State would be

575
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Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins and the superb that he had. But is

576
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Speaker 1: there something beyond that in terms of his fingerprints on

577
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Speaker 1: the Buckeye offense from last year and how that potentially

578
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Speaker 1: carries forward to twenty nineteen that you saw or that

579
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Speaker 1: that struck you.

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Speaker 2: That's a good question, because I mean, erban Meyer was

581
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: such an involved figure and not necessarily playholer, but figure

582
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Speaker 2: with the offense. And so when you get the blessing

583
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: of approval from irban Meyer, obviously that speaks very highly

584
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: of you and Brian days sterling credentials as well. But

585
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Speaker 2: with new personnel, at least a quarterback, I'm just very

586
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Speaker 2: curious to see what this offense looks like with a

587
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Speaker 2: guy like Justin Fields, who's had so much hype, might

588
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: not playing a whole lot who got the hardship waiver

589
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: is going to be able to start immediately, which is

590
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: a tremendous early win for Ryan Day and his staff.

591
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying the jury still out, because I think

592
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: we all know the talent in that building and on

593
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Speaker 2: those sidelines is far away the best of the Big

594
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: Ten pretty much year and a year out. I just

595
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: don't want to take for granted the fact that there's

596
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Speaker 2: a new coach on that sideline and things may be different.

597
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: I think pulling away Greg Madison from Michigan was a

598
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Speaker 2: nice way to stick it to your arrival again a

599
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: couple other guys Mike Carrits from Oklahoma State Washington as well.

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Speaker 2: I just think things are going to look different in

601
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Speaker 2: Columbus next year. I'm just not sure how different they're

602
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Speaker 2: going to look. And I think a lot of that,

603
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: right le Ron is going to fall on a guy

604
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Speaker 2: like Justin Fields, who was one of the top quarterback

605
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Speaker 2: recruits in the country and who I think everyone is

606
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Speaker 2: expecting big things from, especially given how good Dwayne Haskins

607
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Speaker 2: looked in just as Loane. You're starting Columbus last year.

608
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the advantage that Haskins had was he had

609
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Speaker 1: time to sit and learn and get mental rests. Where

610
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Speaker 1: Justin Fields will be expected to come in right away.

611
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Speaker 1: He won't have that advantage. You won't have the advantage

612
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Speaker 1: of Hunter Johnson, who you mentioned at Northwestern. So it

613
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Speaker 1: is immediately, you know, feet to the fire kind of

614
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Speaker 1: in Columbus.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, the other part of that too, I mean,

616
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: Dwayne Haskins ran a slower forward to an Eli Manning.

617
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Speaker 2: We might be backing up next year, so they want

618
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: to run him more than he did by all indicasions, and.

619
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Speaker 1: He just didn't do it.

620
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Speaker 2: And Justin Fields is much more of a dual threat

621
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Speaker 2: kind of guy. I don't want to say in the

622
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: mold of jac Barrett because I think they're completely different players.

623
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Speaker 2: But J. C. Barrett Bible has stayed out with his

624
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: legs a lot more than they did with his arms

625
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: and times during his three or four year tenure as

626
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Speaker 2: a starter. So I'm just curious to see how this

627
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: offense looks. I think, again, the pieces are there to

628
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: be the best in the Big Ten the way they

629
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: usually are. I think they were turn enough on defense

630
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Speaker 2: that's going to make all of us forget some of

631
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: the tackling dummies and kind of whiffs they had throughout

632
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: the middle of last season, which I think, when you

633
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: look at the big picture of Ohio State's twenty eighteen season,

634
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: was grossly overlooked because of the way they finishing, because

635
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Speaker 2: of Erbami retiring and so much overshadowing what happened on

636
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: the field last year. But that defense was not great,

637
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Speaker 2: and I think they had the potential and the chance

638
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: to be much much better this season. And I think

639
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: that's something that we have almost forgotten about because they

640
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: still won the Big Ten last year despite not looking

641
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: the part during October and November a.

642
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Speaker 1: Great point three, four, five, six, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, fourteen, ten. Oh,

643
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: you hit the whammy. It was gonna happen. Sorry, Rutgers fans,

644
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: you're probably good people. I assume you are. Scarlet Knights

645
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: were lately, yeah, well fair the Scarlet Knights. They were terrific.

646
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: Yet yet they were right there versus Northwestern and Michigan

647
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: State and sort of Penn State. Is Rutgers in any

648
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: sort of position to scratch and claw their way to

649
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: more of that? Or is the the mess of Rutgers

650
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: athletics in general, the big picture mess too much for anyone,

651
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: I guess, specifically Chris ash to overcome. Right now.

652
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: I don't want to put Rutgers in Illinois in the

653
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: same category because historically Illinois has had some success football life.

654
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: Maybe not recent history, but traditionally, especially in the Big Ten.

655
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: That said, I look at them in somewhat similar veins

656
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: when evaluating the work of those coaching staffs, because I

657
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: remember talking to someone familiar with the Rutgers program in

658
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: between years one and two of the Chris ash era,

659
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: and it was what progress, as crazy as it sounds

660
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: might be, you know, losing thirty to nothing in says

661
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: sixty Johan the way we were last year. I mean,

662
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: that's how much of a whole I think that staff

663
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: has had to dig out of. And you saw it

664
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: last year. You win your first game against Texas State

665
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: and you lose out. And there were games, like you said,

666
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: against Northwestern, even against Penn State for a little bit,

667
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: and of course against Michigan State, which forgot about offense

668
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: last year, where hey, maybe they're going to do this,

669
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: maybe they're going to break through, and they just didn't

670
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: do it. And I know people's patience is thin in

671
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: this environment, in this era of college football. But when

672
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: you look at that division, I mean, what's a realistic expectation,

673
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: realistic high expectation. I mean, you tell me you're always

674
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: going to be at best in that division? Right? Am

675
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: I missing something? No?

676
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: That's right?

677
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 2: I just don't know. And you could say this about

678
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: a lot of teams. I think at the Power five

679
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 2: levels we're kind of ringing up the rear and the

680
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 2: respect and conferences. I don't know what you expect, but

681
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 2: when you lose by forty one points to a Kansas

682
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: team to end up firing as coach, I think that

683
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: kind of speaks for itself.

684
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: No, No, I think I think all of that is

685
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: all reasonable. And I don't know where they go, and

686
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: I don't know that the Big Ten is super happy

687
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: about having a team like this. At least Illinois has

688
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: carried its weight in the last decade, twelve years, whatever where,

689
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: and basketball wise, they've They've been interesting at times. But yeah,

690
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: this is it's a rough stretch. It's a rough stretch

691
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: for the Big Ten.

692
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: With Rutgers, it's similar for vast well team. I mean,

693
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 2: they didn't win a whole lot to understand now they killed,

694
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: They've been competitive, and it has been a team you

695
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: can't overlook anymore. And I don't want to say that's

696
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: all you can ask for, but early on, I mean,

697
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: I think you have to take baby steps and celebrate

698
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,479
Speaker 2: not moral victories, but small victories on and off the court.

699
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: One other thing, look at their schedule. Now Hugh Breeze

700
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: comes to town. How can we forget that?

701
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I did not even yep. That's good

702
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: for Hugh Freese, good for the Liberty Flames. Three, four, five, six, nine, eleven, twelve, fourteen,

703
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: let's go twelve, all right? Twelve? Wisconsin a much cheerier position,

704
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: even after disappointing twenty eighteen. By the Badger's standards, it

705
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: was rough. For sure, It'd be easy and it'd be

706
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: correct to point out the injuries all over the place.

707
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: But upon further reflection, we're now almost four months away

708
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: from this past season. Was it more than just a

709
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: ton of injuries? And if so, is it correctable?

710
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: He gets correctable. I think it's the program. And I

711
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: don't want to blame a kid or put too much

712
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 2: on a kid, but I think Alex hornybrook leaving, I mean,

713
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 2: was best for both parties. I think both the team

714
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: and the player were in need of a fresh start.

715
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: It was a weird season for Wisconsin because they pretty

716
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: much win that division every year and they're always slept

717
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: on and last year they were off Sports Illustrated covers.

718
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: I picked them to win the league and go to

719
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: the playoff. I mean, it was very antithetical to Wisconsin's DNA,

720
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: if you will, in terms of being over sold and

721
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: under delivering. That said, bring back Chasit Taylor, who might

722
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: be the best player in college fotball, and you bring

723
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 2: back pretty much all your big playmakers in the receiving game.

724
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: You got four quarterbacks plugging out right now in spring.

725
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: Graham Mertz is the guy I know fans want to

726
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 2: eventually went out and be given the chance because he's

727
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: the highest rated recruit they've ever had at the position,

728
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 2: and this is a staff that knows what it's doing

729
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: when it comes to quarterbacks. I think they've gone the

730
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: absolute most out of everyone they've had there so far.

731
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: And that defense was not bad. I mean they weren't great.

732
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: They weren't a top two unit the way they had

733
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: been the first couple of years under three different coordinators

734
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: in three years. They're the latest of them beat being

735
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: former safety standout Jim Leonard. But they weren't bad. So

736
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 2: I think this is a very fixable program or team,

737
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: if people, whatever you want to call it. I think

738
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: they're a lot closer to winning that division this year

739
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: than they are to finishing at sixth or seventh. I'm

740
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: buying Wisconsin stock right now. I know last year left

741
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 2: a sour taste, a lot of people's mouths. But when

742
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: you go through injury, is a quarterback, when you go

743
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: through uncertainty a quarterback every other week, it seemed like

744
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: it was a will here, won't he? With Alex Hornybrook

745
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: and Jack Cone, And you could just see the looks

746
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: on people's faces, not just at Wisconsin but at other

747
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 2: places in the past. When you've had one guy there

748
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: for so long who's had so many ups and downs

749
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: and has been subjected to so much scrutiny, you can

750
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: tell in the locker room on a coaching staff, and

751
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff seeps into a program and it

752
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: just wears everyone out. And again, I don't want to

753
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 2: be too harsh and all of torny Brook here, I

754
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: think everyone at Wisconsin thanks them for his service and

755
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: wishes them the best of the lockdown in Tallahassee, but

756
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 2: I think everyone needed a fresh start, and I think

757
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 2: if Graham Mertz is that guy, maybe not if Jack

758
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: con is that guy. But but again, he's going to

759
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 2: be a junior now he's hopefully improved. A lot of

760
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 2: Wisconsin fans takes they should be better. I mean, they're

761
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 2: always going to be good on the offensive line. Charles

762
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: and Taylor had the quietest season I think of any

763
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: great player we've ever really seen last year, there's no

764
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: reason he shouldn't be as good or better. I think

765
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: this program's a good spot, I really do. I don't

766
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: think they're gonna be down for long. I think they

767
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 2: should be competing for a division title again this season

768
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: and maybe more if everything breaks their way the way

769
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 2: it did two years ago. But I just can't get

770
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: too down on these guys after they started thirty four

771
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: and seven under Paul Chris in the.

772
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: First three years, though, Yeah, just underscorees how difficult it

773
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: is to do to win ten games forever been a

774
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 1: program like Wisconsin with a an identity in place and

775
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: you know, an advantageous division for these past few years,

776
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: it's just difficult. It's just it's a tough ass to

777
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: do it.

778
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: Every year they went eight and five and they were

779
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: finishing second in that division. I know there are two

780
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: games out of first and really three since they lost Northwestern,

781
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: but it wasn't the disaster. I think we're all remembering,

782
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: as I think our preaching the expectations of this team,

783
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: did U snow favors and coloring the reality of what

784
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: they were on the field last year.

785
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: And you mentioned the will they won't they? I think

786
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: they finished like their final eight games were win loss,

787
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: win loss, win loss, win loss. So the will they

788
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: won't that thing is is very accurate. Three, four, five, six, nine, eleven, fourteen,

789
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: Let's go nine, Let's go nine. You probably won't have

790
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: a lot to say about this, but Illinois. It's it's

791
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: kind of true to say Illinois got better in twenty eighteen.

792
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: It is they ran the ball well, they were more

793
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: competitive overall. Please ignore the Iowa game. Is it? Is

794
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: it a talent thing? Is it an approach thing? Is

795
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: it a coaching thing? Is it an injury thing? Isn't

796
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: an everything that could go wrong has thing? What is

797
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: it right now with Illinois that defines their status?

798
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny because today I had a story

799
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 2: on their athletic director, Josh Whitman, who had played there

800
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: in the late nineties and early two thousands, and I

801
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: was actually unaware of this until he had said it

802
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: to me. He got there during Ron Turner's first year

803
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: and at enna seven they went oh to eleven, and

804
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: by year three they won eight or nine games. They

805
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: won it. The big pass against Tom Brady. They won

806
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 2: at Ohio State. This is not that situation, clearly. I

807
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: think Illinois football is digging out of a much deeper

808
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 2: hole at the beginning of the Lovey Smith regime than

809
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: it was at the beginning of the Ron Turner regime.

810
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: But they did get better last year. And again, I

811
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: know this sounds like faint praise, but they lost to

812
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: Penn State by thirty nine points. They were winning that

813
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: game in the second half. Yeah, for what a that's worth? No?

814
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, that South Florida game I was at

815
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: at Soldier Field. They were up nineteen seven at the

816
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 2: start of the fourth quarter and South Florida basically need

817
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: a Hail Mary to beat them at the end. I

818
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: know South Florida ended up collapsing and not being the

819
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: great group of five team that we all expected them

820
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: to be at the beginning of the year, but that's

821
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 2: a game they should have won. Can they get to

822
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: a bowl this year? If they do, I think that

823
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 2: would be phenomenal for Lovely Smith, for that staff, for

824
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: momentum for that program moving forward. I think I'm Jay

825
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 2: Rivers is probably going to be the guy at quarterback.

826
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 2: I think that offense took tremendous strides under rad Smith.

827
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 2: I mean again, when you go four and eight and

828
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: two and seven to Big ten play, people aren't looking

829
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: too closely at the numbers, and I understand that when

830
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: you're in a Power five conference. But they went from

831
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: I want to say one twenty seventh to maybe sixty

832
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: third nationally yards per play. The problem is that defense

833
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: was got awful, and they had a coordinator resign mid season,

834
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: and with all that time to go out and hire someone,

835
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 2: Lovely Smith ended up promoting himself this year, which we'll see.

836
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: I think that's Lovely putting his chips on the table.

837
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: I think that's him saying, you know it's on me

838
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 2: right now, make or break. I know it's year four,

839
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: we're going to look at it probably as year three

840
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: because he got hired in March to twenty sixteen and

841
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 2: he didn't have a chance of recruiting and really install

842
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: things the way he wanted to for the spring. Then

843
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: they've had a lot of attrition. I think going into

844
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: this year, there's a clear line between one through six

845
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: in that division and number seven, who in this case

846
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 2: is Illinois. But I'm not as sour on them as

847
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 2: everyone else. I mean, even if they only win four

848
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: games again this year under Lovely Smith, that probably gets

849
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: it fired. I know it might be a little bit

850
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: premature to talk about toach of maneuvers, but I just

851
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: think with getting actually them up to eighty five scholarships,

852
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: getting them close to a level playing field with the

853
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 2: rest of their peers, and not doing anything or gregious

854
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: off the field, that combined with an eighty million dollar

855
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 2: facility opening at the start of training camp this summer,

856
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: is going to leave this program in better position or

857
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: whoever ends up getting the job going into next year.

858
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: And I don't want to write this off as a

859
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: lost season just yet, but I think you need to

860
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: take baby steps, and I think you need to look

861
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 2: at Victory's beyond the box score, and unless that defense

862
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: can make the kind of improvements that the offense did

863
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: last year, I'm not sure I see five or six

864
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: wins on that schedule.

865
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we've got to go into a bit

866
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: of a lightning mode because you are the president and

867
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: you have things to do and people to speak to.

868
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: So three four or five change diapers to change three four, five,

869
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: six eleven or fourteen fourteen fourteen, it is okay we're

870
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: talking Nebraska. At the beginning of last year, it seemed

871
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: like there was optimism that faded and then rose like

872
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: the phoenix, as the Huskers look like. At the very least,

873
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: they were a competitive Big Ten team week in and

874
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: week out. Is it too mild to say maintaining that

875
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: seems like a win or is there reason to raise

876
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: the Husker threat level from decent threat to full on threat.

877
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: I don't think it's too early to say full on

878
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: threat when you look at the state of the division,

879
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: and when you look at Scott Frost's history, and when

880
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: you look at how well this team played even in

881
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: some losses. I mean, I was at that Northwestern game

882
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: last year, and I think the win probability with five

883
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: minutes left was probably ninety eight ninety nine percent Northwestern.

884
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: I mean, Northwestern had to score ten points and basically

885
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: less than two minutes without any timeouts, using what at

886
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 2: the time coming off that non conference slight which was

887
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: a disaster, one of the worst offenses in all of

888
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: college football, and they were able to do that. I mean,

889
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: the way Nebraska threw that game away was absolutely perplexing,

890
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 2: and Scott Frost and the press conference afterward I mean

891
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: he looked like his dog died. I mean, you just

892
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: want to give the poor guy a hug because he

893
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 2: just had no answers. But I also think, as gut

894
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: Regen as it was to live through as a Nebraska

895
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: fan or player and coach, there's a lot of talent

896
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: on that raster. Adrian Martinez is like a thirty five

897
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: year old man in the nineteen year old's body. I mean,

898
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: he's just one of the most mature guys I think

899
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: I've ever seen speak publicly. And this will be a

900
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: plug here, but our Sherman, our new nebrassa writer, had

901
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: a tremendous story going out to his hometown in California,

902
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 2: writing about his background. When you read about this guy,

903
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: when you see what he was able to do last

904
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: year through the thick and the thin, I have no

905
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: doubt that this is going to be one of the

906
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: best quarterbacks of the big time as soon as next year.

907
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: I think that highly of them. I think the highly

908
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: of the coaching staff. Even when they lost two of

909
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 2: their last six games last year, the Ohio State game

910
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: and the Iowa game, they were both right in toward

911
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 2: the end and had a chance to win both those games,

912
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: and I think going forward to after an zero to

913
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: six start, winning the Michigan State game the way they

914
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: were able to win. I know it was nine to six,

915
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 2: but I think to win ugly after losing pretty for

916
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 2: lack of a better analogy, so much that season said

917
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: a lot about the character of that team. And I

918
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: just think they've got a clicking right now down all

919
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: the phases you need from a program standpoint to be

920
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 2: in position to compete for division titles. So I don't

921
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: think it's too early to think of these guys as

922
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: a contender in the Less this year.

923
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: All right, three four, five six eleven three three Minnesota?

924
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: What was what was the biggest difference between the Minnesota

925
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: team that lost five of six relatively early, that includes

926
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: being demolished by Illinois, by the way, and the team

927
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: that comfortably beat Purdue, Wisconsin and Georgia Tech. Is that

928
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: is that all Tanner Morgan, Well, I mean.

929
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: Tanner Morgan, but Joe ROSSI they fired their defense coordinator

930
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 2: Rob Smith after Illinois, and they came out and beat

931
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: Purdue the way they did, and they were able to

932
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: beat Wisconsin and send Paul Johnson into retirement on a

933
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 2: sour note, in the Detroit Bowl whatever they call it nowadays.

934
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: I mean that defense from a personality standpoint just looks

935
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: so much different those last five or six games under Rossie,

936
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: who obviously was promoted to the coordinator position full time

937
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: after the season. I think they're flying to the ball better.

938
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: They had much better morale, and you see that translate offensively.

939
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: I mean the first three weeks, that injury report was

940
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: just the most oppressing thing to read in the world.

941
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: I mean, Roddie Smith, who's going to go down as

942
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: maybe the second leading rusher in school history, went down

943
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: for the year. They had another running back go down,

944
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: all of whom returned this year. They were very optimistic

945
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: in the Twin Cities this year. I haven't been up

946
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: there yet myself. I'm hoping to Final four weekend to

947
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: see that staff and to see you practice or two.

948
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: But they quietly think that they can compete for the

949
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: division title this year. And I know that's a familiar thing.

950
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 2: I feel like I've been saying about every team outside

951
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: of Illinois in that division. But it's true. I mean,

952
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: the margin for error is so close that when you

953
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 2: beat to Wisconsin the way you did last year on

954
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: the road, when you win a bowl game by twenty

955
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 2: four points, when you return two quarterbacks with extensive playing time,

956
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 2: and you're going to the year three with a different

957
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: level of recruit there than what has been coming to

958
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: campus in the past, there's reason propximism, and even PJ.

959
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: Flack at the start of springing ball a battle week ago, said,

960
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 2: you know, we're not playing with that. You know, underdog,

961
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 2: don't nobody believes in us. We expect to be here now.

962
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: We know we're capable of with the way we finished

963
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: last season, and we're going to hope that translates to

964
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 2: the field this fall.

965
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: Four five six eleven four four Michigan with the with

966
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 1: the benefit of time since the Michigan season ended, looking

967
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: back to you, if Michigan is to break through, which

968
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: to me means win the Big Ten and go to

969
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: the playoff, is job number one? Their their offensive style,

970
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: which they've addressed, or big game defense that's been arguably

971
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: a bigger factor holding Michigan back. Just a performance together

972
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: the performances against the best that the Big Ten has

973
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: to offer on offense, that's.

974
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 2: A good question. I leaned toward the offensive side of

975
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: the all made the change there for a reason. Josh

976
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: Gattis did a great job with Nicksaban Alabama for a

977
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: year and was tremendous at Penn State before that. Is

978
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: he the answer that remains to be seen. But I

979
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 2: think we're in an era of college football right now

980
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 2: where a strong traditional defense will only get you so

981
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: far and makes you a little bit predictable and easy

982
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: to prepare for. You need to have something on the

983
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: other side of the ball that's a threat and that

984
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: occupies the other team's defense. And when you see them

985
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: play against in Ohio State at the end of the

986
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: last season, when you see them play in the bowl

987
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: game against Florida last year, there was nothing that really

988
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,959
Speaker 2: scared you about them. They looked almost predictable at times.

989
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: And the hope is that Jash Gadason, Ben McDaniels, I

990
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 2: should add, who they had a quarterback coach this year,

991
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: are going to fix things up. I mean, Jay Patterson,

992
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: I think was pretty good, and I think he returns

993
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 2: most of his key skill players this season, which is

994
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: going to be a major plus for Michigan. But I'm

995
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 2: lying to you if I say the biggest reason for opximism.

996
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 2: If you're Jim Harbaugh, right now is that Herbert Myers

997
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 2: no longer coaching in the Big Ten. I don't want

998
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: to oversimplify art the difference between first and second in

999
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: the division this year, but that's certainly a huge factor.

1000
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: But now the onus is on Michigan. I mean, there

1001
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: are no more excuses now. It seems like we've been

1002
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: saying that every year, but there really are't. Especially with

1003
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: Ohio State coming to the Big House this season, it

1004
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: really is put up for shut up time. I think

1005
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 2: you've seen a lot less of the harbas cherates publicly

1006
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 2: in the off season that we were used to in

1007
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 2: the first two years, and I think in an arbor

1008
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 2: they know they need to take advantage right now. Without

1009
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 2: one of the greatest college football coaches of all time

1010
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 2: being just down the road in Columbus, this should be

1011
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 2: Michigan's lead to lose, and I think they have at

1012
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: least the talent and the pieces there that will put

1013
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: them in position to do it. It's a matter of

1014
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: really that one game at the end of the year,

1015
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: who's going to take it more personally and who's going

1016
00:50:59,239 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 2: to prepare better.

1017
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 1: Five six eleven is what we have left six all right,

1018
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: Penn State so Nvie Lions had a weird year. The

1019
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: offense took a noticeable step back without Choe Morehead and

1020
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: Sakwon Barkley should be mentioned. And with yes, they had

1021
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of drops in the passing game, but

1022
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: with how Ohio State and Michigan State ended those two games,

1023
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: they were about seventeen seconds away from being eleven to one,

1024
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: with the one being obviously uttered destruction at the hands

1025
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 1: of Michigan. Is that coupled with a wildly talented roster,

1026
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: is it? Is it cause for optimism or more big

1027
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: game concern when you look at Michigan State and Ohio State.

1028
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: Now those games ended as they get farther away from

1029
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: the moorhead and now trace McSorley era.

1030
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: I think this is the year where James Franklin's recruiting

1031
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 2: will be highlight are discounted more than any others. I

1032
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 2: mean the freshman software junior classes here are all members

1033
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: of top fifteen classes nationally that have been really as

1034
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 2: good as anyone in the Big ten outside of Ohio State.

1035
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: And so that talent is going to have to grow

1036
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 2: up quickly because Trace mcsorely, I think made up for

1037
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: a lot of holes on that roster, definitely last year

1038
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: and at parts throughout his three seasons as start. I mean,

1039
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 2: that was a generational player for that program at quarterback,

1040
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: with the records he broke, with the way he willed

1041
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 2: them to big game victories again and again. You mentioned

1042
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 2: the Michigan State don't have state games. Is the same

1043
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 2: thing the year before, right, They lost to both those

1044
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: teams in a two week span, and that threw them

1045
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: out of the playoff mix. You could just as easily

1046
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: look at the Appalachian State games and maybe the Iowa

1047
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 2: game and think, you know what, they probably should have

1048
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: lost those, So they probably got what they deserved the

1049
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: grand scheme of things when you look at their nine

1050
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 2: and four finish. But the biggest question is going to

1051
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: be whose quarterback. I mean, we all had expected for

1052
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: many years that Tommy Stevens would be it. I mean,

1053
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 2: by all accounts, he almost beat Trades mc sorely in

1054
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 2: camp before the twenty sixteen season, and they made great

1055
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 2: use of him. I wouldn't say as the backup. I'd

1056
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: say as a jack of all trades offensive player. He

1057
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 2: throw her touchdowns, he rushed for touchdowns, he catch touchdowns,

1058
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 2: and then he got hurt. He was banged up pretty

1059
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: much every part of his body last season, and they

1060
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: just weren't able to really unleash that new wrinkle in

1061
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: their offense. So you do wonder about his health. You

1062
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 2: wonder if Sean Clifford is going to push him to

1063
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: maybe overtake him for the starting spot. And as you

1064
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 2: mentioned to the outset, you do wonder about that offense

1065
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: just because Joe Moore has not there anymore and they

1066
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 2: struggled at times without him. So I do have faith

1067
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 2: and Ricky Ronnie, I think he's better than a lot

1068
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: of people are giving him credit for. I think some

1069
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: of the holes on that roster came to fruition at

1070
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 2: the end of some of those big games last year.

1071
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 2: But ultimately it's going to come down to how good

1072
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: is the quarterback? Whoever that is?

1073
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: Five or eleven?

1074
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: Eleven?

1075
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: All right, eleven is Maryland. And given the context of

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, the Terps were understandably all over the place

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00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: on the field. At their best, they beat or came

1078
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: within a play of beating top top teams, and at

1079
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: their worst they were awful. They were very, very bad

1080
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: in terms of a steadying presence. Do you expect more

1081
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: clarity from the Mike Loxley era, as in, Okay, this

1082
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: is clearly who they are good or bad. This is

1083
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: we understand what Maryland is, and they'll you know, beat

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00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: teams they're better then, and they'll lose teams that they're worse.

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00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: Then Do you expect that?

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00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: I think the range of possibilities, both good and bad,

1087
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 2: is greater with Mike Loxley than that of any new

1088
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: head coach in twenty nineteen moving forward. I mean, yeah,

1089
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 2: obviously a great work in Alabama. He got the Nick

1090
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: Damn stamp of approval, he won the Broils Award. He's

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00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 2: obviously familiar with Maryland and will recruit that region well,

1092
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 2: which is something they should have been doing in the past.

1093
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: But it's tough on that side of the big ten.

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00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you say his head coaching tenure beforehand was

1095
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: a disaster. I think would be the biggest understatement you

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00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 2: could possibly say. When you look at at other word gets.

1097
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: Culture gets thrown around a lot in Tel football. When

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00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: you look at the culture around that program with the

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00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: way things ended last year, I think it's a bit

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00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 2: of a head scratch. I really do they got Josh

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00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 2: Jackson who looked a part when he was healthy under

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00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 2: Justin Puente Virginia Tech, and I think I'd be surprised

1103
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 2: if he wasn't their starter Week one going into next season,

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00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: assuming he's at full health. But as you said at

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00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 2: the outfite of this, that's a tough division. Expectations are

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00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 2: going to be really all over the place because there's

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00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 2: talent in that region. But historically Maryland football is not

1108
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: Ohio State football. It's not Penn State, it's not Michigan.

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00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 2: At their best last year they were beating Texas, who

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00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 2: ended up winning the Sugar Bowl. I'm not sure how

1111
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 2: much more you can ask for from a program than that.

1112
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 2: But at it's worse thirty eight to three against a good,

1113
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 2: not great Penn State team to close out the year.

1114
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: This one is the hardest one to forecast because I

1115
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: think there's potential with that job. I think there's potential

1116
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 2: with Mike Croxley there. There's potential for a lot of

1117
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 2: bad there too.

1118
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mentioned this at the top of the show.

1119
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: By the way, that would have been a win over

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00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: the Sugar Bowl champion, and they were a throwaway from

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00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: beating the rose Ball champion, which is so weird to

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00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: think about when you think about the rest of Maryland season.

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Speaker 2: Well, you look at that through and I don't want

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00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 2: to harp on Maryland too much, but that throw changed

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00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: so much. I mean, yeah, Michigan clinches the division if

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00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: that's converted. So what's the higher State Michigan game like

1127
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 2: the next week without anything technically to play for? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Ohio State is still hungry to get after it,

1129
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 2: but they're not playing for a conference title. Then Michigan's

1130
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 2: going to Indianapolis next week regardless. That's going to change

1131
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 2: the narrative we have on Jim Harbaugh, regardless of what

1132
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 2: happens against Ohio State that week. And who knows the

1133
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: Erbami are going to retire after losing like that. I

1134
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, this is a large what a

1135
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 2: scenario that has a lot of different legs to it,

1136
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 2: But when you look back at that misfire two point conversion,

1137
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 2: it really gets the mind wondering.

1138
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: Wow, So let's see Northwesterns within three points of Michigan.

1139
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: They meet them again in a rematch in Indianapolis and

1140
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: probably have a lot better shot to get back to Pasadena.

1141
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 2: Wow.

1142
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: Okay, that just that is my galaxy brain is firing.

1143
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: The final team is Purdue. You mentioned them earlier in

1144
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: the context of thinking Jeff Brahm is probably around a

1145
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: top ten quarterback in the country, and the Boilers in

1146
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: the middle of the year they win four in a row,

1147
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 1: with I believe the final of those four being that

1148
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: huge emotional Ohio State win being just, you know, a

1149
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: season if not era defining win, and then they lose

1150
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: four of six, highlighted by getting just shellacked by Minnesota

1151
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: and then Auburn in the bowl game. If we shouldn't

1152
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: judge I mean, we shouldn't judge people. We definitely shouldn't

1153
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: judge teams. But if we shouldn't judge anybody by their

1154
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: worst or their best day, So I don't know which is.

1155
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's the Minnesota the Auburn game being the

1156
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: worst in Ohio State being the best. How should we

1157
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: judge the status quo of Purdue if we're throwing out

1158
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: those disparate outcomes.

1159
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 2: I think that's what you get when you have a

1160
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: really good coaching staff with a really young team that

1161
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: isn't necessarily used to winning at a pretty high level.

1162
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,479
Speaker 2: I was there. I want to say the week after

1163
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: they be in Ohio State and I sat down with

1164
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 2: Jeff Brohm, and you know, they started zero to three too.

1165
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't just losing the way they did

1166
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 2: in the bowl game and some other games. At the end,

1167
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 2: they lost Eastern Michigan and Missouri at home, and Jeff

1168
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 2: Brohm said, you know, I take that one on the chin.

1169
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 2: We lost one game early on and I thought we

1170
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 2: should have bottled things up a little bit more. We

1171
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: got out of character. We were afraid to make mistakes,

1172
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: and that's just not pretty football. Under Jeff Brom, I mean,

1173
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: it is one of the most fun teams to watch

1174
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: when they are slinging it and firing on all cylinders

1175
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 2: out of fredom main mistakes, which is why they're good

1176
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 2: for a big upset every year under him. The hashtag

1177
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 2: that they have on her shirts there and that they

1178
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: have on their Twitter kinds Let's play football, which he

1179
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 2: obviously made famous from his XFL interview on the sideline

1180
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: while playing half a Brain. Probably yeah, that is Purdue

1181
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 2: football is m O and they really got away from

1182
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 2: that early on in the season. In addition to probably

1183
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 2: starting the wrong guy a quarterback to begin with with

1184
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 2: Elijisin Laara with David Black, who they lose this year.

1185
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 2: But I think now with three recruiting classes there, with

1186
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: probably the best player of the conference and Rondel Moore

1187
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 2: possibly superhighs made Trophy candle candidate going into this year,

1188
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 2: and with Elijah Cindelaar who's played a lot of football

1189
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: there that knows this isn't very well, I think now

1190
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 2: is when those losses will become less forgivable, especially with

1191
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 2: Brown gain the extension that he did, being courted so

1192
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 2: publicly by his alma mater Louisville and turning them down

1193
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 2: to stay at Perdue, which by the way, has one

1194
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 2: of the best football facilities indoors in all the country.

1195
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 2: I know no one talks about because it's not on

1196
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 2: the lake and it doesn't have a slide. I mean,

1197
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 2: their facility is phenomenal. I went there for the first

1198
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 2: time and could not believe I was at Purdue University

1199
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 2: that they have put money into that program that I

1200
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 2: think few teams in the Big Ten have and what

1201
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 2: that's going to be going to come expectations. I think

1202
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 2: Jeff Brown is the guy who will altimately get them there.

1203
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: All right, Matt for Tuna, thank you very much for

1204
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: your time. I know you have to run. We started

1205
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: talking about your presidency. Is there a perk that you

1206
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: did not realize you would have. Do you have like

1207
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: a special card that gets you out of like you

1208
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: get a front row best seat in the house in

1209
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: press boxes? Do you have a butler? Do you have

1210
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: catered meals as the president? Is there a perk that

1211
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: we don't know?

1212
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 2: Well? I haven't covered a football game yet since I've

1213
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: taken off of Oh okay, so I started again. They

1214
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 2: do it at the National Peblicon every year, and I

1215
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: was actually not there this year because my daughter was

1216
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 2: born that week, so I missed the RSSLE. That was

1217
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 2: an exciting week, right, I didn't miss much of a

1218
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 2: game either. Nope, so we'll see. I hope the press

1219
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 2: boxes in Evanston, South then and all my usual locales

1220
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 2: give me a suite, maybe the presidential suite. I don't know.

1221
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 2: That remains to be staying helples. I own too many

1222
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: people off between now and then, and my approval rating

1223
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 2: doesn't think too much between now and the start of

1224
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 2: the football season.

1225
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I can I'm trying to now picture

1226
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: what a secret Service member for the head of the

1227
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: f WAA might look like. And the division that comes

1228
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: into my head of who would protect the head of

1229
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: a football writers association is not intimidating, not intimidating.

1230
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 2: I'll see if I can get Brian Kelly on my

1231
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 2: side anytime he's on game. Danny has ooh boss is on.

1232
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 2: He looks a lot like not necessarily Paul there from WW,

1233
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 2: but he looks like a great classic WW wrestling manager,

1234
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 2: and I think that would be a role that would

1235
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 2: suit him well whenever he decides to retire.

1236
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so true. Possibly a little bit

1237
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: more bark than bite. You know, he's more of a present.

1238
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: He's not huge, but he has a presence.

1239
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 2: He absolutely has a presence. I want to say every

1240
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 2: day should be Saturday. Said this first on Twitter many

1241
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 2: years ago. I'm not one hundred percent sure about that.

1242
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 2: I can't take full credit for it. But while we're

1243
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 2: talking secret service and bodyguards and a guy that I'm

1244
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 2: probably as familiar with as any coaches from my time

1245
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 2: being a nerd a beat writer. Well, I hope you

1246
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't hate me too much, but but I would feel

1247
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 2: safe with him guarding me.

1248
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: Nice. That's a good compliment. I would if somebody said

1249
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: that about me, I would be thrilled. Not many people do.

1250
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: Matt for Tuna, Thank you very much for your time.

1251
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: I hope we all got smarter talking about the Big

1252
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: Ten today, and thank you for listening. Thank you for

1253
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: joining us, and we hope to have you on again soon.

1254
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend, long time. First time. I'm happy

1255
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 2: we can have consecutive guests from the Athletic. Hope this

1256
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 2: isn't the last time.

1257
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: Oh. I would probably count on it because I think

1258
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: everybody there, everybody works at the Athletic now, so it

1259
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: won't be terribly difficult.

1260
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate buddy, Thanks for having me.

1261
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 3: All right, Dan, we are back big thanks to Matt

1262
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 3: for Tuna from the Athletic jumping in talking all things

1263
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 3: Big ten with us, first time, longtime. Glad to finally

1264
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 3: get him on the program. I did want to tease

1265
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 3: out something that is unrelated to the Big Ten right time,

1266
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 3: related to the Big Ten.

1267
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: Harris standing up on the back of my neck.

1268
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 3: We've got a show in the holster for next week.

1269
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: You're very mpr right now. I want to point that out,

1270
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: am I. Yeah, yeah, If you want to add some

1271
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: like birds tweeting that kind of thing, Chirpin.

1272
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:44,919
Speaker 3: I am very excited about this show now.

1273
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: Dateline, Alan Town.

1274
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 3: That's right, very excited about the show that I think

1275
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 3: we've got ready for next week. Yes, didn't have enough

1276
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 3: lead time to put it together for this evening, but

1277
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 3: next week as we start April, I think it's a

1278
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 3: good time topical topical. It's very timely, little out there, upbeat,

1279
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 3: little out there, as is usually the case with this

1280
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 3: dumb show. Japanese influence, Japanese influence yet love that kidding?

1281
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: Not even kidding about that or not?

1282
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 3: So stay tuned to the Solid Verbal Solidverbal dot Com

1283
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 3: subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.

1284
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm excited, Ty, I'm just flat out excited. I'm not

1285
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: gonna beat around the bush here before we.

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Speaker 3: Go any further and before we close out this show,

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Speaker 3: just because we haven't talked in a while, Yeah, let's talk.

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Speaker 3: I need a steaming hot food take from you.

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Speaker 1: Oh, here's okay. I'm going to tie together two things.

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Speaker 1: What the two things that I'm gonna tie together are

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Speaker 1: food and being a new parent. How about that? Please,

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Speaker 1: let's be obnoxious about it. When your child is born,

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Speaker 1: it has been a very good decision that I've made.

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Speaker 1: Recommend it. Don't have to don't drink or eat sugar

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Speaker 1: because those two things can affect your sleep. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you're not going to get as nearly as much sleep

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Speaker 1: as you think you are or that you used to get,

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Speaker 1: and so give yourself. It's almost like performance enhancing giving up.

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Speaker 1: Not like bread or anything like that. Just stop eating

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Speaker 1: M and m's and Starburst or Danishes or whatever, and

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Speaker 1: either don't drink or just cut way back on your drinking.

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Speaker 1: When I do sleep tie, I'm out in seconds. I

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Speaker 1: sleep hard. Excuse me, that sounded wrong. I sleep hard.

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Speaker 1: I stand by it. That's my steaming hot food take.

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Speaker 1: You can like mayonnaise, you cannot like mayonnaise. I don't

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Speaker 1: really care like what you like, but that is That

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Speaker 1: is my constructive bit of food related life advice.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, I don't really have much to add.

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Speaker 3: Why did you ask about food specifically? Because it's your

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Speaker 3: thing and I feel like we haven't talked about it

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Speaker 3: in a while. People really subscribe to what Dan has to.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're ready, I'll give you an actual hot take.

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Speaker 3: Give me hot take, real quick.

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Speaker 1: New York Pizzas overrated yeah, I agree. I agree with that,

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Speaker 1: Like there is excellent pizza to be had in New York,

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Speaker 1: but the barrier to entry making of making good pizza.

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Speaker 1: You can make good pizza in Cincinnati, you can make

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Speaker 1: it Indicator, you can make it in Amarillo, Texas. And

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Speaker 1: there are probably fewer places in those places because of population.

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Speaker 1: There's just fewer people willing to put in the time

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Speaker 1: to make good pizza. But New York pizza is largely

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Speaker 1: just more everywhere than it is excellent. All right, how

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Speaker 1: about that.

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Speaker 3: Let's close out on that, Dan, what do you say?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I like it. I mean this is a big

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Speaker 1: ten town, so it all comes full circle. Indeed, thank

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Speaker 1: you to Matt Fortu so wiped.

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Speaker 3: I love it from the Athletic for stopping on by

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Speaker 3: sharing his wisdom with us. Don't forget big show coming

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Speaker 3: next week. Big Show. I'm excited. I am excited. Good

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Speaker 3: keep it right here. We're at solid ruble dot com.

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