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Speaker 1: Welcome into the two NFL Draft Recap Day two and

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Speaker 1: podcast j P Shadrick bucking Brooks, John Oser, and Ashley Sullivan.

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Speaker 1: The Jaguars did not have a second round pick. They

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Speaker 1: had two third round picks. No moving up. They considered

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Speaker 1: moving down. They liked the players that were on the

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Speaker 1: board at number sixty five and seventy and they come

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Speaker 1: away with an offensive lineman and Luke Fortner from Kentucky

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Speaker 1: and linebacker Chad MoMA from Wyoming. So let's start on

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Speaker 1: the offensive line. And um, you know that it's a

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Speaker 1: position in the interior of the offensive line that's in

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Speaker 1: a state of change for this organization. Uh. And you

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Speaker 1: know Brandon Lender's gone, Shatley has been resigned, there's question

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Speaker 1: at left guard. Ah, here we go. This is Luke

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Speaker 1: Fortner on the offensive line. Oshan, Yeah, you knew they

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Speaker 1: were gonna go this route at some point. I think

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Speaker 1: a couple of ye and it's for the pick. I

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Speaker 1: kind of like to Bucky instead, it looks like interior

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Speaker 1: offensive alignment here just because uh, I don't know who'll start,

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Speaker 1: but this kid's gonna play center. Uh. He was asking

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Speaker 1: the conference call about starting at center. He he expressed

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Speaker 1: confidence about it. You knew they weren't going to go

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Speaker 1: who could snap the ball, so they brought to bring

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Speaker 1: him in. He's the first selection of the third round. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's a guy who I would expect if

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Speaker 1: he doesn't start the opener to start very soon this season.

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Speaker 1: That's what you draft interior offensive lignment. It is in

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Speaker 1: the third round. We think, Bucky, what you do well, Lemon,

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Speaker 1: This is a tough guy to point of attack, hick.

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Speaker 1: You guy who great communication skills, would do a great

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Speaker 1: job of keeping everyone lined up and engaged. He can

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Speaker 1: battle in the phone booth, which is what you need.

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Speaker 1: But really he's smart enough to understand how to play

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Speaker 1: to be a guy that is absolutely mashing people at

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Speaker 1: a point of attack. But he understands how to be

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Speaker 1: a part of the puzzle, and I think that is

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Speaker 1: necessary at the point of attack. Ashlan Hill was he

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Speaker 1: in the press conference very excited. It was interesting when

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Speaker 1: we talked to Phil Ralsher, the offensive line coach, and

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Speaker 1: he mentioned his versatility and he can play maybe at

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Speaker 1: left guard and center, and then it seemed in the

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Speaker 1: going to be battling for the center job. So very

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Speaker 1: interesting to see how this shakes out, but it seemed

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Speaker 1: like Doug was confident that this is going to be

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Speaker 1: they've had for a long time around here, which is

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Speaker 1: having a guy, whether it's uh Fortner or Shatley, who

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Speaker 1: those positions because they've had that luxury. You've got to

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Speaker 1: have it at this point. Look, if if Fortner does

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Speaker 1: come in and start, that's not a knock on Shatley.

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Speaker 1: He's been a great player in that role for a

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Speaker 1: long time. And that's almost you know, as you look

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Speaker 1: at the entirety of your roster, you better have that

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Speaker 1: guy he's wanted. If that position is not one of

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Speaker 1: positions on that team. That's a guaranteed spot, a spot

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Speaker 1: you've got to have. One of these two guys are

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Speaker 1: gonna hold it again. I would just expect to be

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Speaker 1: Fortner because top sixty five in the draft. That's a

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Speaker 1: premium selection. That's almost the second round. It's only one

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Speaker 1: spot shot a second. There you go. Thanks, And by

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Speaker 1: the way, I mean Shaty has made a career off

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Speaker 1: that being the backup swing guy, emergency starter for three,

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Speaker 1: make a career like that, bucket. Shatleys certainly done that.

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Speaker 1: He certainly has made a career like that. But obviously

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Speaker 1: you would like to get younger, even cheaper at the position.

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Speaker 1: You want someone who has long term potential. The guys

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Speaker 1: drafting in the third round. You want to give him

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to compete, And so ultimately this will be one.

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Speaker 1: Is Shadley able to use enough oh Man tricks to

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Speaker 1: Can he be a guy that excels and the offense

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Speaker 1: If you think about the offensive line as a whole.

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Speaker 1: Now you love the fact that you can name off

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Speaker 1: But in theory, you should feel good about either Fortner

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Speaker 1: the seventie overall pick in the third round, linebacker Chad

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Speaker 1: MoMA from Wyoming. And it's quite a change in the

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Speaker 1: linebacker room this year for the Jaguars organization. Miles Jack

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Speaker 1: Now in the third round, Ashlyn, a guy who was

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Speaker 1: well why not. He's like, well, they drafted Devin Lloyd

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Speaker 1: But then Trent Balky made a great point in his

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Speaker 1: But it was just the candor of him. He was

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Speaker 1: And he asked myself in the pr staff if we

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Speaker 1: someone to overnight him a playbook. Yeah, And there was

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Speaker 1: When you add linebackers and a secondary in the draft,

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Speaker 1: Bucky I talked about it better they have you talked

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Speaker 1: it needs to be where you have enough blue chip

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Speaker 1: already talked about this on our on our broadcast earlier,

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Speaker 1: But you were excited about Devin Lloyd last night when

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Speaker 1: but Bucky's at the belief that he helps this team

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Speaker 1: get to the draft picks. First fifth round pick seven overall,

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Speaker 1: Late in the row, Devin Lloyd press conference coming up.

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Speaker 1: I saw that the plane has arrived tonight. I believe

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Speaker 1: We'll look forward to seeing and hearing that on Jaguars

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Speaker 1: dot Com of course, and the Jaguars social media channels.

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Speaker 1: That'll do it for our podcast tonight, Luke Partner at

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Speaker 1: the sixty five overall pick in the third round, Chadmuma,

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Speaker 1: That's it for Day two of the twenty two NFL

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Speaker 1: Draft for Ashan Sullivan, John Oser, Bucky Brooks, and Joe

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Speaker 1: for Tonado. I'm JP Shadrick will catch you tomorrow afternoon