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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff,

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Speaker 1: which is the podcast I'm your host, Margot Kiljoy with

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Speaker 1: me today as though one and only Katie Stole, whose

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Speaker 1: name apparently don't pronounce it on my second take of

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Speaker 1: using this very normal name, I don't know. I I

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Speaker 1: welcome all pronunciations. The more creative, the better. So Katie

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Speaker 1: style is my guest today, who's from some more news

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Speaker 1: and Worst Year Ever? Which maybe did the worst year

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Speaker 1: ever come to a close? I who's to say? Did it? Okay?

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Speaker 1: I have no idea has it even begun? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: There's a podcast and you can listen to it, although

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Speaker 1: you should. You should only listen to this podcast because

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Speaker 1: Katie's on this podcast too, so you have everyone you need. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: why go elsewhere? I know? We also have Sophie, who

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Speaker 1: is our producer. Sophie, how are you doing? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's what you're okay. We we've been

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Speaker 1: chatting for good thirty minutes minutes. It's just so good

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Speaker 1: to see you, Sophie, both of you. Margaret you as well.

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Speaker 1: You know Sophie. I just I haven't seen her face

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Speaker 1: in a few weeks. I know, Katie and Katie and

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Speaker 1: I are are connected in a beautiful way. I am yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean after a year later, after several years that

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Speaker 1: we've experienced, the decade we've experienced in the last two years,

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Speaker 1: I don't know everybody that you see regularly become like

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Speaker 1: little life rafts or something. Yeah that even like my

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Speaker 1: um the nonprofit job, I also work. I like look

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Speaker 1: forward to the everyone meetings on Zoom. It's really embarrassing

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Speaker 1: because I just like join and I'm like, hello, everyone,

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Speaker 1: how is your week? And Everyone's like, we hate work meetings,

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, but how are you doing? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I talk about work. I just want to talk about

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Speaker 1: the door. Can wait? Work, can wait? I am yeah.

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Speaker 1: My My relationship to Zoom has so much. Uh you know,

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Speaker 1: at first there was the novelty. Then there was just

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Speaker 1: so much resentment and to needing to be on Zoom.

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Speaker 1: And yet that's what we had in your gratitude as well.

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Speaker 1: But now it's a way of life almost because I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna drive across town for a meeting. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: and park as no and park every time I try

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Speaker 1: to park to my heart races and I'm just grateful

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Speaker 1: I'm grateful for this little portal into people his lives,

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Speaker 1: my opportunity to connect, and then people get to use

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Speaker 1: it from wherever they want to be. Sometimes you get

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Speaker 1: glimpses of vacation. Sometimes your friends have done something bold

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Speaker 1: and moved to a new city where it's more affordable,

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Speaker 1: or they moved to where I moved, where parking is easy.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't, I don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Are that sounds like literal heaven to me? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what I'll do next time I have to

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Speaker 1: drive into a city. I went to three different coffee

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Speaker 1: shops today because I couldn't park at the first two. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's so frustrating. It really is an anxious thing. I

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Speaker 1: think you guys know Miranda July, the Yeah performance artists,

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Speaker 1: Margaret Margaret absolutely does not, but continue, I don't know anybody.

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Speaker 1: I don't know she. I don't know if it was

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Speaker 1: she grew up growing up her mom. It would look

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Speaker 1: for parking exactly once, and if there was nothing that

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Speaker 1: they just go home. And she has all this anxiety

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Speaker 1: about plans falling apart, like like, oh, no, you can't

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Speaker 1: find parking. Wait wait, wait, don't just like honey, no,

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Speaker 1: we're not going home. We'll still get ice cream. It's

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Speaker 1: just need we just need patience. Anyway, that well, that's

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Speaker 1: a perfect segue because let's see how can we do this.

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Speaker 1: So freedom is important, the freedom to be able to

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Speaker 1: park important, and another type of freedom that is important

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Speaker 1: is reproductive freedom. Yes, so today that's what we're going

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Speaker 1: to be talking about. We're gonna be talking less about abortion.

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Speaker 1: We covered that on our episodes about the Jain Collective.

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Speaker 1: But instead we're going to talk about the fight for

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Speaker 1: two different things that go well together, but unfortunately I've

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Speaker 1: been put at odds against each other sometimes, which is

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Speaker 1: first the right to choose to not have children and

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Speaker 1: second the right to choose to have children because we

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Speaker 1: live in such a fund up, racist, moralizing country that

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Speaker 1: in the past couple hundred years we've had to fight

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Speaker 1: for both. And Margaret, I'm thrilled you invited me on

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Speaker 1: for this conversation that I didn't know the topic until

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Speaker 1: right now. I can't pay for this. This is something

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Speaker 1: that Katie and I talked about all the time, just

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Speaker 1: in like friendship stuff. So that's why I knew Katie

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Speaker 1: would be our our person for this. Well I think

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Speaker 1: you already know, but you should interrupt and interjected at

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Speaker 1: any point either of you about any of these things.

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Speaker 1: So first, and unfortunately I really don't like doing this,

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Speaker 1: I have to start with a bad person. HM. So

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Speaker 1: if you're a reasonable person, your first question would have

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Speaker 1: to be, why the funk would anyone be against anyone's

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Speaker 1: even the abortion question, so you can't even pretend like

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Speaker 1: it's about babies lives or whatever. But it turns out

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Speaker 1: that some people really really don't like other people having fun.

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Speaker 1: And this is coming from someone who picked the last

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Speaker 1: name Killjoy. So I want to introduce you to today's villain,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Comstock, which is he's the namesake of one of

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Speaker 1: the worst groups of laws ever written, the Comstock Laws. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Anthony fucking Comstock hated cussing, He also thanks thanks, He

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Speaker 1: hated gambling, Eddie hated fucking, and he hated fun and

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Speaker 1: he decided to take it out on the entire fucking country.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to cuss extra hard when I'm talking

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Speaker 1: As you should. And he was born on March seven,

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Speaker 1: eighteen forty four, in New Canaan, Connecticut. He cut his

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Speaker 1: he was never afraid to brag about it. Most of

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Speaker 1: what we have about his life, all of the horrible

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Speaker 1: things he did, he bragged about them. He wrote these

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Speaker 1: like books about himself in order to like be a weird,

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Speaker 1: that is not cool. Anthony Comstock, what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: And like what kind of stuff? Well, when he was

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Speaker 1: a kid, he he decided to drive out the evil,

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Speaker 1: like a real Karen kind of vibe here. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: both uses the law to do all of his evil ship.

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Speaker 1: But he obviously doesn't actually care about law, because here

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Speaker 1: He kept bothering all of his fellow soldiers. He wanted

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Speaker 1: So one day, one of his fellow employees has a

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Speaker 1: are before love and Year of love. Oh goodness, it

427
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: learned so much about this guy. Yeah, you know everything

428
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: you need to know about him right here, and and

429
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: the year of Love is of course three when the

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Speaker 1: New England Free Love League of Boston forms, and I

431
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Speaker 1: think we're currently in the Year of Love one and

432
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:19,239
Speaker 1: there I believe a good that's good point. And so

433
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 1: of course their magazine starts using that notation because there

434
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: are a bunch of nerds, cute and nerdy. At first,

435
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: the magazine mostly talks about free love in the context

436
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,719
Speaker 1: of the labor movement, but eventually it's the other way around,

437
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: and it's, you know, the labor movement in the context

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Speaker 1: of free love. And it was a prominent voice in

439
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: free love, birth control, and feminism. They advocated such wild

440
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: and controversial topics as men should be responsible for their actions,

441
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: children should learn what sex is, women can enjoy sex,

442
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: sex work is work, and sex workers should be defended,

443
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: which is still controversial in some feminist articles today. So

444
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: the free love movement wasn't It was also about hooking

445
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: up with whoever you wanted, not always, but for some people.

446
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: Angela in particular, was apparently inspired by the Oneida community

447
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: that was running at the time, which was a religious

448
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: commune where everyone decided that they were married to everyone

449
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: else in the commune and could fund whoever they wanted.

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Speaker 1: And this is the place. The Oneta community is probably

451
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: the place that coined the the term free love. And

452
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: they're really complicated and culty, and I was like starting

453
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Speaker 1: to read into them, being like, oh, I'm gonna include them,

454
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Speaker 1: and I was like, not kind of fun these guys,

455
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Speaker 1: But you know, some interesting ship came out of him. Katie,

456
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Speaker 1: Do you have a good product that you would like

457
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: to plug? For example, are previously we have plugged the

458
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: concept of potatoes, the concept of tap water a very

459
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: good comb. Sure, that's a great question. Have you guys

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Speaker 1: considered the concept of free time? Oh my gosh, I mean,

461
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't. Would they provide it to us? It's not free.

462
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: You have to work hard for it. But once you

463
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: have it, it's nice. Okay. I mean that's the way

464
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: I've been told it works. I don't think that you

465
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: can get it without really you have to let me know.

466
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: That is our new sponsor of the show is the

467
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: concept of having free time. Um, and I'm desperately waiting

468
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: for them to send free samples in the mail, also

469
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: sponsored by whoever comes after in this ad break. And

470
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: we are back, and we are trying to distract ourselves

471
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: from the number of shortages that are happening, which is

472
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: what we talked about over the break. But let's talk

473
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: about the nineteenth century when nothing bad happened. Yeah, take

474
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Speaker 1: me back in the paths of our heroes and our

475
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Speaker 1: villain intertwined. You see, Anthony Comstock was quite distressed that

476
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Speaker 1: there was someone somewhere talking about sex as something that

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Speaker 1: one might enjoy. The year prior the Haywitoz had published

478
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Speaker 1: an essay hold On for this title Cupids Yokes or

479
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: the Binding Forces of Conjugal Life, An essay to consider

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Speaker 1: some moral and physiological phases of love and marriage, where

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Speaker 1: it has asserted the natural right and necessity of sexual

482
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Speaker 1: self government. Oh my goodness, that is quite a title.

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00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,239
Speaker 1: I really missed. Nineteenth century titling convinced the title take

484
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Speaker 1: up half the page. It is just is the cover

485
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Speaker 1: of it, you know, Oh my goodness, all on the cover. Yeah,

486
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: of course, it's the title. That's where you put it.

487
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: Put the title so the essay wasn't actually anti marriage.

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Speaker 1: Angela and Ezra were married, but it was against traditional

489
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Speaker 1: notions of marriage, and if it was anything like other

490
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: anarchist feminist texts at the time, it was probably complaining

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Speaker 1: about how marriage at the time was essentially a property

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Speaker 1: arrangement by which women are controlled by men. And I

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Speaker 1: I skimmed this pamphlet it's really in. It is not smart.

494
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: It's just a fucking essay of footnotes and various like

495
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 1: anthropological ideas about sex and marriage or whatever. Not to him,

496
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: though he could get off on it. Oh yeah anything. Yeah,

497
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: traffic cones would just suck him up. Conjugal traffic cones

498
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: so so calm Stock. He doesn't like it, so he

499
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: does what he does anytime he doesn't like something. He

500
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: buys himself a copy and then he goes about ruining

501
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: people's lives. He heads on down to the Free Love

502
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: League undercover, where Ezra and Angela are are giving speeches.

503
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Speaker 1: One of those speeches is actually specifically against com Stock.

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00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: They're just like at the meeting talking about com Stock,

505
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: and He's like, there is an undercover hearing them talk

506
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: to it on him. You know what? Good? He deserves it.

507
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: I know. He goes outside and according to him, I'm

508
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: just gonna quote him because it's so fucking strange. The

509
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: fresh air was never more refreshing. I resolved a stop

510
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: that exhibition of nastiness if possible. I looked for a policeman.

511
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Speaker 1: As usual, none was to be found when wanted. Then

512
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: I sought light and help from above. I prayed for

513
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Speaker 1: strength to do my duty and that I might have success.

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Speaker 1: I knew God was able to help me. Every manly

515
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Speaker 1: instinct cried out against turning my back on this horde

516
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Speaker 1: of lust. I determined to try. I resolved that one

517
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Speaker 1: man in America at least should enter a protest. I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 1: I feel sad for him. You know, he he's got

519
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: such a sad life. Yeah, if this at all had happened,

520
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: just like he's like in the hollow deck on Star

521
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: Trek or whatever, and it's just like, yeah, so so

522
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: ezra Heywood walks out into the lobby and com Stock

523
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: arrests him, and the doorman goes off and finds Angela,

524
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Speaker 1: who comes over and is like, look, if you're resting

525
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: my husband, I'm I'm mean with but there's a problem here,

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00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: Anthony Comstock is the paragon of virtue. He can't share

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00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: a carriage with Angela Haywood. Oh my god. He quote

528
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: felt obliged, out of respect to my wife, sister and

529
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Speaker 1: lady friends to decline this kind offer of her company.

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Speaker 1: And I like, I want to laugh at him. That

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Speaker 1: wasn't her offer, you fool? I know, I know, right,

532
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: She's not like, oh, please let me keep you company

533
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: while you arrest my my husband on bullshit charges. He's like,

534
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: she's trying to fuck me. Yeah, this guy, And I

535
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: want to laugh at him, but doesn't. Isn't this Mike

536
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: Pence is the whole fucking thing. Yeah, Yeah, that's very

537
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: Mike Pencey. Yeah, there is something I don't know. I

538
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: know a lot about Jordan Peterson, but I actually haven't

539
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: read that much of his work. But there's something I

540
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: know that he just has that like property type of element.

541
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: There's something about him that also feels like sad in

542
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: the Jordan Peterson kind of way, just so twisted anyway. Yeah,

543
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: and uh, this this officer of the law doesn't tell

544
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: Haywood what he's being arrested for, doesn't show him a

545
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: badge or a warrant none of that ship. He doesn't

546
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: find out until the next morning why he's in jail.

547
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: So he gets put on trial, and the judge is

548
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: an asshole and won't let the defense call character witnesses

549
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: or even call expert witnesses to testify that his pamphlets

550
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: weren't obscene. The pamphlets aren't even allowed to be read

551
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: in court because like they're too dirty. The jury is

552
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: allowed to read them with like the scary parts underlined,

553
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: and he's found guilty. He gets two years of hard

554
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: labor for writing this anthropological study about marriage. The backlash, fortunately, though,

555
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,959
Speaker 1: was quite something, and it was just became like a

556
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: big national issue, and at one meeting of the people

557
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: getting together to try and figure out how to free him,

558
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: people were like joking and they were like, what's next,

559
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: You're going to confiscate the Bible. It's way dirtier than this.

560
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that come stuck later when

561
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: he's trying to arrest the suffragets, he really really doesn't

562
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: like the suffragets. He arrests a bunch of them for

563
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: printing Bible quotes, and to be fair, I mean there's

564
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Speaker 1: some ship in the Bible that is like more lude

565
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: than any of this other ship. But sure, but he's

566
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: going the wrong direction with that lesson. If the Bible

567
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: has the reason you're doing this, man, then chill out. Yeah,

568
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: chill out. What you're dealing with is you issue, not

569
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: a God issue. Yeah. So there's such a huge campaign

570
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: that Ezra only serves six months of his two years

571
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: sentence before President Hayes personally pardons him. And this wasn't

572
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: like a small deal one for him that he's he

573
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: got sent to prison, but Angela and their kids were

574
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Speaker 1: homeless actually for a while after that because they relied

575
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: on the income of that he provided and ship like that.

576
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: The movement came through for them and they did get

577
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: home again. But good. So Ezra goes in and out

578
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: of jail four more times in his life, including for

579
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Speaker 1: distributing pamphlets about birth control that were written by his wife.

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00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: And honestly, if that isn't love, I don't know it is.

581
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: Angela for her part, though, she's always fighting for recognition

582
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 1: for all the like free love and equality society, and

583
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: maybe Ezra himself gave Ezra most of the credit and

584
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: blame for everything the couple got up to. But when

585
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: he's on trial for distributing her writing. She gets on

586
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: the stand and she's basically like, you fucking assholes, Like,

587
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: why is he on trial and not me? I wrote

588
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: the thing. You're just afraid that the jury would be

589
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: more sympathetic to me because I'm a woman. And I'm paraphrasing,

590
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: but she cussed a lot in her life, so much

591
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: that it always caused a stir and like all the

592
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: like proper ladies of the feminist movement didn't like that

593
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: this uneducated foul mouth firebrand was doing all this talking.

594
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: Now I want a movie about her. Oh yeah, totally.

595
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: I like uneducated foul mouth firebrands. They're kind of my

596
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: favorite sort of cool people. So I like her, especially

597
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: in this context, I know, especially, Yeah, like where the

598
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: whole thing is people like stopped cussing. You're like the

599
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: funk I will like, fuck you, yeah, fucker yeah. Maybe

600
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,959
Speaker 1: this is the same case, but it's hard to keep track.

601
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: There's so many He went on trial for so many

602
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: different ships. As Row goes on trial for advertising comstock syringes.

603
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: See in eight there's this doctor named Sarah Chase and

604
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: she gets arrested by Comstock. She's found not guilty, but

605
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: she's arrested for selling syringes that you could use as

606
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: douches to limit the chance of pregnancy. And they're actually

607
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: fairly effective. All the spreading of birth control information, even

608
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: before medicated birth control or the mass production of condoms,

609
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: it dropped New York City's fertility rate by fifty in

610
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: the nineteenth century. Yeah, I because I'm kind of like, oh, well,

611
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: first control, that's condoms, and you know the pill and

612
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: I d S and ship you just shoot so water

613
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: up there and that will do. It's other stuff as

614
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: well that they're douching with it's and then they're like,

615
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of other you know, for this

616
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: episode about like how birth control, I actually only wrote

617
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: about the how they fought for birth control. I didn't

618
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: actually write as much about the birth control methods. No,

619
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: that's fine, but I'm like, yeah, I mean it's not

620
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: as effective as what we have now. But yeah, I'm kidding,

621
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. But I don't like

622
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: birth control. I don't like So the charges against Sarah

623
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: don't stick, and so after she she's free, she starts

624
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: selling the douches as comstock syringes. And this becomes one

625
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: of the main birth control methods as comstock syringes. That's

626
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: really funny, and god damn, I'd like to take her

627
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: out for a drink, I know. And they they advertise

628
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: the douches in the word the Heywitz paper, including with

629
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: the line if calm stocks mother had had a syringe

630
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: and knew how to use it, what a world of

631
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: woe would have saved us. Okay, someone write the movie

632
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 1: and then cast me to player. Yea, all right, someone

633
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: green light and get me to write it. Yeah. Um, Sophie,

634
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: you're also in charge of all movies? Is that true?

635
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: Mm hmm shoot, sorry, okay, all right, we'll circle background

636
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: to this idea. So, while he's on trial for the

637
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: comp Sucks syringes and some other ship, Ezra Haywood defends

638
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: himself in court, which is exactly like, Okay, My theory

639
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: is no one who invents their own system of numbering

640
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: years lets anyone else represent them in court right now? Honestly,

641
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: how could you. You're not going to be on the

642
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: same wave length at all. He wins. My man's a winner.

643
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: Another time, he's on trial for publishing Walt Whitman poems

644
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: and Walt Whitman. Yeah, he's a fucking asshole. He doesn't

645
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: defend Ezra. Wait he wait a minute, Wait a minute,

646
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: wait a minute. So so he him and Walt we're

647
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: working together. Walt willing Lee took his poems to Ezra

648
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: to publish as were publishes, gets taken to court, and

649
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: Walt doesn't back him up. That is my impression. There's

650
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: a chance that this was like a reprint of something

651
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: where there wasn't a direct communication with Walt. I don't know,

652
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: but I do know that Walt was like, well, what

653
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: do you expect for some bullshit? So I was all

654
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: set to be like, yeah, Walt Whitman, and then I'm like, really, yeah,

655
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: that's disappointing. But well, in eighteen ninety he gets sentenced

656
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: to two years hard labor for yet another one of

657
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: these things that he's always on trial for. And what

658
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: if Angela is getting tired of it at this pend, Well,

659
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: she unfortunately has a long life without him because in

660
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: in he dies in the same way that of people

661
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: who died in the nineteenth century died being asive in

662
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 1: the eighteenth century tuberculosis, which is the same as being

663
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: alive in the nineteenth century yeah. Yeah, and he probably

664
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: caught tuberculosis in jail. The probably the fight for birth

665
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: control killed him. Basically, so did being alive before antibiotics.

666
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: But the combination of the two of those two things, yeah,

667
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: lethal combo. Yeah, and so, Sophie, this leads me into

668
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: what could possibly be the next ad transition, which is

669
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: that if big Tuberculosis could throw us a couple of

670
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: bucks every time we talked about someone that they killed, Um,

671
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: I would buy everyone in my family a house. Oh cool, Yeah, yeah,

672
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 1: Big tuberculosis. Do you hear that? Do you guys think

673
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: you want to do that? That would be really great

674
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, I think so. They're still around. I mean,

675
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: you know, they're probably pretty desperate for more attention. Yeah,

676
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: I mean they they're certainly not breaking the news cycle.

677
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: But but yeah, that's true. Maybe, yeah, maybe they'd be

678
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: into this. Yeah, it's not a bad idea. I wouldn't

679
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,479
Speaker 1: put all your hope and dreams on it, but it's

680
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: worth considering. I've put all my hopes and dreams on

681
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: Oh no, well, we're all in. It's gonna happen. Here's

682
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: some ads for tuberculosis, and we are back and we

683
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: are talking about people build by suberculosis, including cool people.

684
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: And actually, now I feel really guilty. I was all

685
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: set to have really positive sponsors for the show, and

686
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: I gave in to death. Well, best of us. Angela

687
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: did not given to death for forty years after her

688
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: fucking husband. What a sentence starter. Well wow, just wow.

689
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: Nice job and queen ship right there, I know. And

690
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 1: she started being more open about her support for abortion

691
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: the same year that her husband died. I actually think

692
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: it's a coincidence. Abortions were illegal. Mentioning abortions and anything

693
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: you mailed was illegal. So double badass for standing up

694
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: for abortions. Yeah, and then she she actually kind of

695
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: slips out of the public eye at this point. Sarah Chase,

696
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: the woman who invented the comstock syringe. She's working in

697
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: reproductive healthcare legally, and she spent six years in jail

698
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: at one point because another abortionist sucked up a procedure

699
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: and so she took the patient and tried to save

700
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: the patient, and the patient died, So she spent six

701
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: years in jail. After she gets out, she keeps on

702
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: lecturing about sexual health and safety, all the while supporting

703
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: herself with her needlework, which I guess also is the

704
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: thing you could do and lives into her seventies. At

705
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: one point, while she was in jail, she wrote a

706
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: letter that was published in a free love journal. I

707
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: think it was the Haywood Journal, but I don't know,

708
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: And to quote author Amy Son's quoting of her, the

709
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: letter ended with the need of reform is to be

710
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: seen on every hand, yet all do not see it,

711
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: and those who do are unable to resist the inn

712
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: it hatred of injustice and wrong that impels them to

713
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: try and remedy the evils that lie in their way.

714
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: They do not stop to count the cost. They only

715
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,959
Speaker 1: say this work must be done and I must help.

716
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: I just like it because you see something that needs fixing,

717
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: you you fucking work on fixing it rather than worrying

718
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: about what it's going to cost you. Yeah, I think

719
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: that we all can relate to that. These days. You know,

720
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: it's like we have to do it. We just yeah totally,

721
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: Like I mean, how especially with climate change, is like

722
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: literally like well we we actually have to, like we

723
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: are just literally all going to die of this we

724
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: don't do this, So yeah, yeah exactly, And you're like, well,

725
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: i'd be willing to go get arrested. I'd be willing

726
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: to do what I have to do to make sure

727
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: if that's what it takes, you know, Yeah, yeah ah. Comstock, however,

728
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: continues being a fuck and slowly fucks tend to do.

729
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: I know. I feel like he's graduated from little ship

730
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: to just an outright funk at this point. Yeah, and

731
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: the public starts slowly turning against him. The Irish play

732
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: right George Bernard Shaw coined the word comes stockery for

733
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: the act of failing to distinguish between art and porn okay,

734
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: and basically was like, seriously, the United States, this is

735
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: why the rest of the world laughs at you, like

736
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: what the funk is wrong with you? And Comstock wrote

737
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: about himself a lot. He sold books with click bait

738
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: headlines of titles like Frauds Exposed and Traps for the

739
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: Young Odd it's like Fox News or something. Yeah. Absolutely.

740
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: He died in nineteen fifteen. He lived to be way

741
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: too old. He made it to seventy two, and when

742
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: he died his house was full of pornography he'd confiscated.

743
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 1: So the newspaper American Art News wrote this like fuck

744
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: you obituary to him. Um basically saying like, normally we

745
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: only talk about people who are important to the art world,

746
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: but but Comstock actually had a massive collection of art

747
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: in his house. That's hilarious and m hm yeah, and

748
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: then says like he fucked over all these innocent people

749
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: and he's terrible and so and his legacy is that

750
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: he's been written and as the villain or the namesake

751
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: of the villain of I think dozen of books, plays,

752
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: and also the video game BioShock Infinite. He's the That's amazing.

753
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 1: That is fucking rad. That's also you know, like, yeah,

754
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: there's there's all those things we can trace back to him.

755
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: But also now Colm Stock in general is a villain. Yeah, totally.

756
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: His Society for the Suppression of Ice lurched on for

757
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: another thirty five years, coming after James Joyce. It got

758
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: Broadway stars arrested, and generally it was just really fucked up.

759
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 1: And in the end, Comstock bragged that he had arrested

760
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: more than four thousand people, destroyed more than fifteen tons

761
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: of books, four million pictures, and he bragged about having

762
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: driven those fifteen people to suicide. One of the people,

763
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: one of those people, one of the fifteen was a

764
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: woman named Ira Craddock who was born in Philadelphia as

765
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: an only child. She's another cool hippie. She was born

766
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: in a Quaker family, so for everyone who's keeping track

767
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: with the stuff, bingo, that is yeah, quicker um. Her

768
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: dad died while she was still like crawling, and I

769
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: think she was six months old or something, and her

770
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: her mom raised her up smart. She was all set

771
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: to be the first woman led into the University of

772
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania in two but then the board was like, wait, no,

773
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, she's a woman. She can't do that.

774
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: Did they for not realize that at first? Yeah? I

775
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm sure someone was like, fuck it, let's

776
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 1: do this, and then the board was like, the hell

777
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: we will. She wrote books about stenography, she quit the

778
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: Quakers to become an occultist, and I'm pretty sure she

779
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: was happy as a single woman who took care of

780
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: her own needs. In fact, she declared that she was

781
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: married to an angel named Soap different I think a

782
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: different so if I couldn't promise, and that there their

783
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: sex was so loud that neighbors would complain. Oh okay, yeah,

784
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: so she's doing fine. She doesn't need a husband and

785
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: incarnate mortal husband, and she's constantly getting arrested for writing.

786
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: So she writes like women's self help pamphlets about how

787
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: to make your marriage better, like this, like very standard

788
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: thing that you can get to the check out file,

789
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: you know, just how to have good sex with your husband.

790
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: And she gets arrested for it constantly, and she spends

791
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: a while institutionalized for it. She's in jail a lot.

792
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: She consistently refuses to plead insanity. Everyone's like, she's clearly

793
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: crazy because she's an occultist and she likes sex. And finally,

794
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: after a three months also she was married to what

795
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: was an angel? What was he? Yeah, yeah, an angel

796
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: named Sophia. I don't know. I agree, it's probably anything else,

797
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: but there was that in the mix. I am sure

798
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: that did not help convince people of her sanity, but

799
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: within the context of like the weird religious ship people,

800
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: we're in our end two, you know, yes, And so

801
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: she spends three months in jail one of these times,

802
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: and when she comes out, she's immediately re arrested by

803
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: calm Stock and she gets sentenced to five years. Her

804
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: pamphlet The Wedding Night was so obscene that the jury

805
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to see it during trial. But it wasn't

806
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: that bad. Yeah, and she's she's fucking convicted literally from hey,

807
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: take my word for it is bad to the jury. Yeah,

808
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: she couldn't face going back behind bars. So at forty

809
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: five years old, she killed herself and her her suicide

810
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: note is basically a long public letter saying, oh my god,

811
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: fuck you, calm Stock. I'm glad she was able to

812
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: express herself. That's fucking tragic. Yeah, he he just absolutely

813
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: ruined us. Woman's life who was like, by all accounts,

814
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: like every wonderful cat lady you've ever met who keeps

815
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: crystals and like, so she was married to an angel

816
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: named self. Yeah, and wrote about how people should have

817
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: good sex with their husbands. This wasn't even a like

818
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: everyone leave their husbands and gobie witches in the woods

819
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: and be lesbians or whatever. How not long ago? This

820
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: is you know, yeah, totally and so so Comstock. He

821
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: outlives a lot of his victims. But he doesn't win

822
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: the war, I would argue, And because both sides kept

823
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: fighting and are still fighting now. Most obviously you've got

824
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: the end of Roe v. Wade and the Christian right

825
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: wing is getting pretty open about how gay marriage and

826
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: birth control are like next in their war of reaction.

827
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: But also there's bipartisanship, like this Comstock was a bipartisan

828
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: law to my understanding, and the government past Sesta Fasta,

829
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: which are two bills that just just decimate the rights

830
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: of sex workers and the online services that sex workers

831
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: use to do their work safely. It's just the same

832
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: moralistic nightmare and we're not out of it. But I

833
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: don't want to say it one because like it's just

834
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: a constant pushing and pulling. It didn't win it just

835
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: but that's exactly correct. I mean, obviously, culturally we've evolved

836
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: well passed this and what we accept and how we

837
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: talk about sex and orgasms and sexuality and identity and

838
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: all of that. But yeah, no, it's the the argument

839
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: in the basis is still there, you know, just like, yeah,

840
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: we still have these ideas what is smart, what is

841
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: needs to be censored, what is allowed? Well, versions of

842
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: that morality argument obviously are still going on and continue

843
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: to be used as cudgels. Two further in trench people

844
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: you know, in in their team and their sides, but

845
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: it's on both you know, Yeah, even democratic lawmakers participate

846
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: in this game of morality and right and wrong when

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Speaker 1: it comes to sex and Fastasessta is a tragic example

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Speaker 1: of that with huge implications. Yeah. No, I knew you're

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Speaker 1: the right person to bring on because I feel like

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Speaker 1: you talked about a lot of this stuff, a lot

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Speaker 1: like I don't talk as much about the stuff that

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Speaker 1: happens now, you know. Well yeah, sure, I mean I do.

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Speaker 1: But I'm inviting you. Yeah yeah, I'm like I keep

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Speaker 1: talking about of them like now, Honestly, if you want

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Speaker 1: to go on, please do No, No, I'm good for

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Speaker 1: right now. But if something else pops up, all okay,

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Speaker 1: Well that's it for today's. When we come back on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: we're going to bring the fight into the twentieth century

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about my favorite birth control advocate,

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Speaker 1: I'm a Goldman, plus all the other people who tried

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Speaker 1: to fight on the other front the right to get

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Speaker 1: to have children, because it's about choice and we have

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Speaker 1: to fight for both of these things. Oh. These are

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Speaker 1: such good episode ideas, so important and interesting. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for in finding me on again. I loved this, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Do you have anything you would like to plug at

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Speaker 1: the end here. Oh boy, goodness, gosh. Yeah. Sure. Well

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Speaker 1: I've got my podcast even more News that I host

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Speaker 1: with Cody Johnston, and we've got our YouTube channel some

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Speaker 1: more news, and I don't know, there might be a

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Speaker 1: new show coming out on some on the Somewhere News

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel in the near future, about as much as

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say about that right now. And in

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Speaker 1: the meantime, you can follow me on Twitter at Katie Stole,

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Speaker 1: not Katie Style, not Katie Soyle. Um, that's a different person.

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Speaker 1: And I won't I won't see I won't see anything

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Speaker 1: that you tweet at me Katie Stoyle. Yeah, yeah, so

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Speaker 1: don't don't. I mean, you could still follow Katie Style.

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Speaker 1: I I don't know what she's about, but yeah, mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: I've continued that bit for a bit too long. And Margaret,

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Speaker 1: you have you have a book. You have a book

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Speaker 1: that should be available for pre order now soon, right,

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Speaker 1: I believe so. My book, which I'm once again vamping

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Speaker 1: so that I can remember the name of my own book,

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Speaker 1: We Won't Be Here Tomorrow. My book We Won't Be

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Speaker 1: Here Tomorrow is coming out from a K Press on

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Speaker 1: September and should be available for pre order in mid June,

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Speaker 1: which might be when you're listening to this. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know when you're listening to this. It might

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Speaker 1: not even be pre order by the time you listen

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Speaker 1: to this. It might be um old News. It might

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Speaker 1: be burned by Anthony Comstock Jr. By the time you

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Speaker 1: perhaps it might be or Anthony Comstock Jr. Might be

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Speaker 1: burned by the book legally not me. There are so

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Speaker 1: many ways this could play out. We don't know. We

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Speaker 1: can't see the future. But whatever your relationship to time

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Speaker 1: is or to this recording, cool check out and we

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Speaker 1: won't be here tomorrow, but we will be here on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday as my two back for