Speaker 1: This episode is presented to you by DraftKings. The crown
Speaker 1: is yours. All we all do is get hot.
Speaker 2: At the right time, we knew he was gonna win
Speaker 2: the national championship.
Speaker 3: I'm playing with guys that work for Fortune five hundred
Speaker 3: companies against NBA players.
Speaker 4: These guys are still some of my closest friends today,
Speaker 4: and I love those guys so much, and I love
Speaker 4: what we had so much that we ended up going back.
Speaker 5: To school another year. You win, you're able to do.
Speaker 1: Something that's bigger than you.
Speaker 6: Besides Syracuse, who else was going to running to get you?
Speaker 5: In college?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I committed to like five schools.
Speaker 5: Trying to figure it out.
Speaker 7: I committed because I was just happy.
Speaker 6: Like what, I'm walking around school with the book bag
Speaker 6: full of letters in my bag every day it's a
Speaker 6: new school.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm coming. But I committed.
Speaker 2: I committed early to Serracuse my junior year on my birthday.
Speaker 2: That was like my birthday president to me. And I
Speaker 2: was still at Tuson. So when I get the old kill,
Speaker 2: I'm like, you get millions or left. This is what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. When you walking, you walk in the gym.
Speaker 2: Every college coach in Americas in there, so they looking
Speaker 2: at me like, yo, why you signed with while you
Speaker 2: committed Syracuse And they're like, you know you only committed.
Speaker 1: You know you did a verl you don't have to go.
Speaker 8: You don't have to go.
Speaker 2: So I'm saying that, and were playing and NBA scounselors
Speaker 2: in there. Every practice. The practice was like games. It
Speaker 2: was better than games.
Speaker 6: So at that point I'm like, oh, let me just
Speaker 6: let me just try it. I'm gonna open it back up.
Speaker 6: And then like I committed to like I went like Georgia,
Speaker 6: Georgia Tech.
Speaker 2: Jerry Jack and Chris Bosh was going down Junia Tech,
Speaker 2: so you know that that was one of the schools.
Speaker 2: Jay Wright was just at just got the job at Villanova.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to go to Villanova, but they already
Speaker 2: had people. Carolina already had people in my in my
Speaker 2: spot forgot who was there. Jawa Williamson was dead at
Speaker 2: that position.
Speaker 1: Your senior year of high school was two.
Speaker 2: My senior was, oh two, right, So then Serrah Chuse
Speaker 2: was like they had Preston Shumper three and he was leaving.
Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, I can come right in
Speaker 2: and play right away. And that's why I really stuck
Speaker 2: with So what was that experience?
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, you guys caught magic in the bottle?
Speaker 1: Uhu keen Warwick with a Jerry McNamara. You guys made
Speaker 1: that run and uh, you know, you're one year in college,
Speaker 1: you win the championship.
Speaker 6: I ain't never think I would do that shit. I'm
Speaker 6: gonna be honest, Like we wasn't. We was a good team,
Speaker 6: but I ain't never think we was going to be
Speaker 6: that good, you know, like you know we to go
Speaker 6: seventeen and oh at home, we never I never lost
Speaker 6: any carrier doing People don't talk about that enough. It's
Speaker 6: hard to do, you know what I'm saying. So especially
Speaker 6: the Big East, right and the biggest This was the
Speaker 6: Big East was the biggest right point in time. This
Speaker 6: was the Big East, you know, the heart of it.
Speaker 6: So being at Serrah Choose and just that whole experience, Man,
Speaker 6: we just clicked. Like it was just something that that clicked.
Speaker 6: We wasn't doing nothing special. We clicked.
Speaker 2: And then once we started feeling more confident about ourselves.
Speaker 6: Like we can beat this team, or we can beat them.
Speaker 6: Oh should we just beat misjority? It was number five.
Speaker 6: We just beat Georgia Tech. It was number seven.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, were.
Speaker 2: Going into the tournament and I'm like, look, all we
Speaker 2: all to do is get hot at the right time.
Speaker 1: So that's it.
Speaker 6: And at that point it was like we we knew
Speaker 6: we at that point, we knew we.
Speaker 1: Was gonna win the national championship. What was your what
Speaker 1: was your mental I mean, obviously the NBA is the goal,
Speaker 1: but College of Pitstops? Did you ever think about jumping
Speaker 1: stats the league? When you dig into college? Was it
Speaker 1: one and done? Like what was your mindset there?
Speaker 2: I could have came out of high school. But again,
Speaker 2: like people don't understand, like NBA never was my goal,
Speaker 2: Like it never was. I just felt like we can
Speaker 2: never I can.
Speaker 1: Never reach that.
Speaker 6: And you hear so much, Oh you hear the stats.
Speaker 8: Oh one out of every thousand.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, he chance to get struck
Speaker 2: by like this. There's no chance in hell I'm gonna
Speaker 2: make the league. So I ain't even thinking about the league.
Speaker 2: Let me just get to college. So when I got
Speaker 2: to college, I'm on campus, I'm like, I never want
Speaker 2: to leave this shit.
Speaker 6: Like Sarah, she's big East. It's popping up here like
Speaker 6: I'm staying. And if you go back to the footage,
Speaker 6: even like my press conferences, I'm like, yo, like, forget
Speaker 6: one more year, like I.
Speaker 1: Thought you stay in school for four years, like I'm
Speaker 1: coming back.
Speaker 6: And bay Hou was like, man, if you don't get
Speaker 6: your shit off my campus, man, we ain't trying to
Speaker 6: hear that. So he really kicked me off the campus man, rightfully,
Speaker 6: So right there, So right it makes sense. Winning has
Speaker 6: always been a part of your DNA, only winning high school, champion, college,
Speaker 6: McDonald's All America, and Michigan State. So this is the
Speaker 6: question I got, asked, how many bags were thrown at
Speaker 6: you when you went to Michigan State.
Speaker 5: A lot of people offered me money.
Speaker 9: I knew, I knew, Oh they were big bags.
Speaker 5: And uh, you know what, my.
Speaker 9: Father he always gave me life lessons. So here I am.
Speaker 9: He said, we're not taking no money. I said, okay, cool.
Speaker 9: So I decided to stay close to home because my
Speaker 9: mother and father and all my brothers and sisters had
Speaker 9: never missed none of my games, and I wanted that
Speaker 9: to continue. And I'm a mama's boy, so I loved
Speaker 9: my mother, so I wasn't giving up her Fried chicken
Speaker 9: and none of the other stuff she.
Speaker 7: Brought to the table, them hugs and everything.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 9: So my freshman year, we win the Big Ten, go
Speaker 9: all the way to the final eight, Kentucky beat US.
Speaker 9: Kansas City had the number one pick, so they called
Speaker 9: me and said, hey, we want to draft you number
Speaker 9: one Kings. Yeah, they were Kansas City Kings at that time.
Speaker 9: So I flew down and met with a dude named
Speaker 9: Joel Akason, the general manager, and he said, hey, I'm
Speaker 9: gonna want to give you a six year deal, two
Speaker 9: hundred thousand a year. So you know, I got excited.
Speaker 9: I've been broke my whole life. I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 9: this is great.
Speaker 5: And so.
Speaker 9: I got I jumped up, said oh I think that's good.
Speaker 9: My father grabbed me and he pulled me drug me
Speaker 9: outside the door. He said, hold on, we'll be right back.
Speaker 9: He said, you've been broke for eighteen years. You can
Speaker 9: be broke one more year. I said, yes, sir, So
Speaker 9: you're going back to school. So I went back to school,
Speaker 9: and I'm glad I did because I finished what I
Speaker 9: came to college for, which was to win the national
Speaker 9: championship and play against Larry Bird and the unbelievable final,
Speaker 9: the most.
Speaker 5: Watched college championship ever.
Speaker 9: That's right to this day, still the most watched. And
Speaker 9: so to be link with this dude, who you know?
Speaker 5: You saying?
Speaker 10: Man?
Speaker 5: First?
Speaker 9: When I first met him, I said, I must see
Speaker 9: this dude, This white cat can really.
Speaker 1: Go like is always out on white boys. It's always out.
Speaker 5: It's respect. This ain't nothing bad.
Speaker 11: So I said, let me see what he can do.
Speaker 6: But Larry had something that most white boys don't have.
Speaker 8: That man different now, a little.
Speaker 12: Different, very different.
Speaker 5: Now that boy he could play man. He turned it out.
Speaker 9: We played on a team in college, uh, in a
Speaker 9: tournament together. This is the first time I ever sat
Speaker 9: on the bench. Him and I were on the bench
Speaker 9: and we were like, the guys in front of us
Speaker 9: wasn't better than enough. But Kentucky head coach was coaching
Speaker 9: the team, so he started three guys from Kentucky. But
Speaker 9: when we got in the game, we turned it out.
Speaker 9: But I saw this dude eat Jack givings up. He
Speaker 9: was player of the year that year Kentucky, right, yes,
Speaker 9: from Kentucky, and Larry Bird was just slicing them, dicing them.
Speaker 5: And I said, I called home.
Speaker 9: I said, It's true about this.
Speaker 5: This dude can play. So that was my first.
Speaker 9: Time seeing them, and then to be out on the
Speaker 9: court with him in college for that national championship game,
Speaker 9: and then of course what happened in the NBA.
Speaker 5: But I would say that we got a.
Speaker 9: Chance to change the league. You know what, what a
Speaker 9: blessing it was. He ended up in Boston and then
Speaker 9: I ended up out here. My personality was La Hollywood,
Speaker 9: His personality was Boston, and it worked for the whole league,
Speaker 9: you know, so everything was good.
Speaker 1: Coming from a mid major. Did you ever think that
Speaker 1: Steph Curry would change the face of basketball the way
Speaker 1: it's place?
Speaker 8: What do you think? Did you ever dream?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean? He dreamed of it.
Speaker 13: We all dreamed of playing in the league and doing
Speaker 13: amazing stuff.
Speaker 8: But I never dreamed of changing the game. That's what
Speaker 8: I'm saying.
Speaker 13: I said playing in the league. I dreamed of playing
Speaker 13: in the league. Yeah, playing the way that I know
Speaker 13: how to play the game. When I was at Davison, Man,
Speaker 13: I was six to one, one hundred and sixty pounds
Speaker 13: when I got there, and I found a coach that
Speaker 13: believed in me and gave me an opportunity to you know,
Speaker 13: just go out and hoop and learn how to learn
Speaker 13: through my mistakes. I had thirteen turnovers my first game
Speaker 13: at Davison, and he didn't say nothing. He said, just
Speaker 13: keep hoping next play, mentality and all that type of stuff.
Speaker 13: So I took that confidence through my college career into
Speaker 13: the league. And though I was still scrawning, when I
Speaker 13: showed up backing on nine playing nelly ball, like I
Speaker 13: knew what I was capable of and just put the
Speaker 13: work in. I think four years later when it started
Speaker 13: hitting on the threes and like pushing the record book
Speaker 13: and that in that respect, and like you know, changing
Speaker 13: my range and uh and just seeing the quarter a
Speaker 13: little different, that's when I knew this could be how
Speaker 13: I can summit myself in the league. And uh, nobody
Speaker 13: was really like using it as a weapon like the.
Speaker 14: Way that I thought I could.
Speaker 13: And it's a confidence thing, though, like you put the
Speaker 13: work in, but it's a confidence thing. And uh, now
Speaker 13: you got little kids in high school, middle school and
Speaker 13: younger just jacking up threes and parents and coaches getting real.
Speaker 1: It was crazy because I mean we had a tournament
Speaker 1: this past weekend and you know, my boys they've been around,
Speaker 1: Like we get out there early in Isaiah shooting from
Speaker 1: behind it point like before he ribbels or anything like, bro,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Is like that, I'm just getting warm.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't want to start close? He's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 13: I was like, you got to listen to the whole story,
Speaker 13: right because like when I that's my pops taught me
Speaker 13: the way to work on your game, like starting the pain,
Speaker 13: get your confidence, see how it goes, work work your
Speaker 13: way out, Like I learned that from a young age.
Speaker 13: And so now everybody sees the finish result and they
Speaker 13: want that process.
Speaker 8: It's like the.
Speaker 13: Processes there is just lost and so hopefully they they
Speaker 13: understand that.
Speaker 8: I mean, everybody can can figure it out.
Speaker 1: Take So not very many people, like I said, you've done.
Speaker 1: You've changed the face of the game coming from a
Speaker 1: mid major, you know what I mean, There hasn't been
Speaker 1: too many guys that have been able to do that.
Speaker 5: You know. C J.
Speaker 1: McCollum, Dame Morant, tell me what that was like was
Speaker 1: coming from you. So you weren't really highly recruited, and
Speaker 1: you know, you weren't in a top college. But we
Speaker 1: started seeing you come on the scene when you face
Speaker 1: these big schools and to be able to take that
Speaker 1: mid major game and really translated and played in the NBA.
Speaker 1: It's a huge credit to how hard you had to work.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I think, like you said, coming from mid major,
Speaker 13: it's about who you get to play against in like
Speaker 13: that competition. Obviously our conference we played in the Southern Conference.
Speaker 13: I bet you couldn't name two other schools in that conference,
Speaker 13: Like that's just that's part of the journey. But we
Speaker 13: you know, coach McKillop, who's still there, is like are
Speaker 13: you still coaching already?
Speaker 10: This year.
Speaker 13: They moved on to the Atlantic Ten, so they moved
Speaker 13: up a little bit in terms of Like when I
Speaker 13: was there, we played against the Dukes of Carolina, senc
Speaker 13: States came out here and played UCLA and got exposed
Speaker 13: and understood what it took to be at that level.
Speaker 13: Once we got to the tournament, it was gonna take
Speaker 13: to win. My freshman year, I was thrown into the fire.
Speaker 13: I was playing like thirty seven minutes a game at
Speaker 13: the two spot. We had another point guard, Jason Richards,
Speaker 13: who was two years older than me and was like
Speaker 13: our best player.
Speaker 5: At the time.
Speaker 13: It was like the steady guy, the steady hand. I
Speaker 13: got to learn from him. That next year, my sophomore
Speaker 13: year kind of just took off. We had the guys
Speaker 13: that knew their role. Everybody you know, came selfless, did
Speaker 13: what they supposed to do. We were two and six
Speaker 13: in the first like what eight games and playing those
Speaker 13: teams I was talking about, and we took that, learned
Speaker 13: from it, put in our back pocket, got to the tournament,
Speaker 13: and then we started beating everybody, and so it's just
Speaker 13: a conference. Then you got to know like that you
Speaker 13: can play with the best. It's not you get lay
Speaker 13: with that. You know, mid major, D one whatever, that's
Speaker 13: just you know, just the history of it. Us not
Speaker 13: going to talk about what we're about to do this
Speaker 13: year and whatever. And so you got like you said,
Speaker 13: you know, Dame CJ Jah and you can name them.
Speaker 13: There's there's guys that just want an opportunity to play,
Speaker 13: and they got the talent, they got the skill, they
Speaker 13: got the killer instinct and now you know, more and
Speaker 13: more guys are shown it in the league.
Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned confidence because the four the three
Speaker 1: other guys you named without yourself, they all carry themselves
Speaker 1: with high confidence, and I think it's kind of probably
Speaker 1: like that that chip on my should like I don't
Speaker 1: give a a major. I'm still a killer out here exactly.
Speaker 1: Talk us about your experience at Florida, obviously the back
Speaker 1: to back championships, but just life in that ecosystem because
Speaker 1: there was a lot of professional athletes the time you
Speaker 1: were there, No Gainesville.
Speaker 4: That time was as special as it come. You know,
Speaker 4: it's your first time leaving home, being away from your family,
Speaker 4: and you know we had there was all those guys
Speaker 4: that you mentioned where we all lived in.
Speaker 8: The same dorm, the same place. You know.
Speaker 4: The stories are like where do I start?
Speaker 5: Where do I start?
Speaker 4: But I actually watched the documentary not long ago, and
Speaker 4: there was a moment in that documentary where one of
Speaker 4: the kids got caught smoking a joint and they kicked
Speaker 4: him off the team and.
Speaker 5: He went home and he got killed.
Speaker 4: And urban Meyer touched on it and he was like,
Speaker 4: you know what, I have to live with that as
Speaker 4: the leader of this ship. I have to live with
Speaker 4: that knowing that I kicked off a kid and this happened.
Speaker 4: So he was like, never again, will that happen to
Speaker 4: any of my kids. I will never kick one of
Speaker 4: my if they if I recruit them, they're staying with me.
Speaker 4: And I think that it gave them a bond that
Speaker 4: you know, it allowed them to go all the way
Speaker 4: and win a championship.
Speaker 5: It's deep.
Speaker 4: You know, we were able to obviously, you know, my
Speaker 4: roommate was Al Horford and Corey Brewer and I had
Speaker 4: Toryren Green, Lee Humphrey, see Rich Walter Hodge, like, these
Speaker 4: guys are still some of my closest friends today. And
Speaker 4: it was so we win the championship after sophomore year,
Speaker 4: and this was my first time where people were like, yo,
Speaker 4: you could be a top pick. You know, it's time
Speaker 4: for you to go. It's time for you to go
Speaker 4: to the NBA. And I love those guys so much
Speaker 4: and I love what we had so much that we
Speaker 4: ended up going back to school another.
Speaker 1: Year because you al who else would have left and
Speaker 1: we ended up staying another year.
Speaker 4: Because you know, you can't. Chemistry is just something you can't.
Speaker 4: You can't deny. You can't deny when when you're open,
Speaker 4: you're getting the ball. You know, Oh, your guys tendencies
Speaker 4: just you just love hooping with the guys, so much
Speaker 4: and the brotherhood just becomes It's like second nature, you know,
Speaker 4: and I'm really proud of that that, you know it was.
Speaker 4: It was not about the money, and we showed it.
Speaker 4: You know a lot of people say, oh, it's not
Speaker 4: about the money. No, but you know what, we let's
Speaker 4: run it back. There was no nil shit. We were
Speaker 4: paying money. We were paying the Lloyd's of London the
Speaker 4: insurance to stay. You know, that's what those years.
Speaker 5: Meant to us.
Speaker 4: You know, you can there was real sacrifice in it,
Speaker 4: and I think you know you can't. Those years were
Speaker 4: as special as they come.
Speaker 1: Obviously, you know, back to back champs and in the bonds.
Speaker 1: But you know we went to school right over the
Speaker 1: hill in Westwood at UCLA, And although I had a
Speaker 1: ton of fun playing basketball, I probably had more fun
Speaker 1: not playing basketball. What were those Knights?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: Any stories you could share? I don't want to get
Speaker 1: nobody in trouble. I mean we mentioned some heavy name.
Speaker 1: You ever see Tea out there smoking the joint? What's happening?
Speaker 15: Like?
Speaker 1: What'd you see out there that you can speak on?
Speaker 5: It was wild?
Speaker 4: T Bow was not wild at all, No, he was.
Speaker 1: It's what made him him.
Speaker 4: Though you know, he was probably like on Fridays, he
Speaker 4: was probably reading his Bible and he was serious.
Speaker 5: He was we had a class together.
Speaker 4: He was always doing the extra credit.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: I was like, Yo, you're a square bro, like extra credit.
Speaker 4: But you know, but like talk about like his competitive spirit.
Speaker 4: You couldn't you couldn't deny that, you know, especially Okay,
Speaker 4: you're going to school in the.
Speaker 8: South, you know, that was a real that was crazy
Speaker 8: to me.
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, you're going down University Avenue and
Speaker 4: that's like the main main road on campus and you
Speaker 4: got the black kids on one side and you got
Speaker 4: the white kids on one side party and it's just
Speaker 4: like nobody mixed. And that to me that it was
Speaker 4: just like we were able because of.
Speaker 1: The sports thing to crossover.
Speaker 5: It bridged a little.
Speaker 4: Bit more, you know, and that's the power of sports
Speaker 4: and what we do on the platforms that we have
Speaker 4: is like you win, it becomes so much bigger than rich, poor, black,
Speaker 4: white all that stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, you're able to.
Speaker 16: Do something that's bigger than bigger than you, bigger than you.
Speaker 1: What was your college experience like just as far as
Speaker 1: you know, being a real student athlete and then being a
Speaker 1: superstar on a smaller team. What was that experience?
Speaker 3: Like it was like a movie. Man Like it was
Speaker 3: literally it's literally like a movie. Like I would do
Speaker 3: my whole college career over again.
Speaker 17: It was.
Speaker 18: It was a great time, but it taught me how
Speaker 18: to balance life.
Speaker 3: Like the academic course load was crazy at the high
Speaker 3: Like the amount of studying you had to do to
Speaker 3: survive was unbelievable. Like it taught you how to balance
Speaker 3: your time. It taught you how to do the impossible.
Speaker 3: You know, write twenty I was journalist of major thirty
Speaker 3: page papers. I started off in the business school learning
Speaker 3: about accounting and econ. Like, it was crazy the amount
Speaker 3: of dedication focus you had to put into it. It
Speaker 3: was also crazy that I was. I didn't spend a
Speaker 3: lot of time in the librarly, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 3: I spent my time in the gym, and I dug
Speaker 3: myself in a hole. And then I had to like
Speaker 3: start going to the library, start trying to catch up,
Speaker 3: start trying to get ahead and figuring stuff out.
Speaker 18: But in terms of.
Speaker 3: Hooping, I used to I used to go out, Like
Speaker 3: let's say I went out with some of my friends
Speaker 3: or whatever, we'd go out till twelve thirty one. I
Speaker 3: would come back and I'll go to the gym at
Speaker 3: one am and I would work out. And I feel
Speaker 3: like I was still able to do the college student
Speaker 3: life but also working towards becoming a professional.
Speaker 18: I think that's what kind of separated me, because I could.
Speaker 5: Balance the.
Speaker 3: Life that comes with being a college athlete with basketball,
Speaker 3: with academics, and then eventually figuring out, you know, the
Speaker 3: social aspect.
Speaker 18: Of you know who, like who you going to spend
Speaker 18: the rest of your life with.
Speaker 3: But I think it was a perfect combination of things
Speaker 3: that kind of fell into place for me. And I
Speaker 3: struggled early, which is why I probably succeeded late because
Speaker 3: I had always struggled in life and I was just like,
Speaker 3: all right, what do I have to do to kind
Speaker 3: of succeed, And I'll do it.
Speaker 1: So your junior year, the fifteenth seed against the number
Speaker 1: two Duke seed, take us back to that game and
Speaker 1: talk to us about it. You scored a game hight thirty.
Speaker 3: So we When we drew Duke in the selection Sunday show,
Speaker 3: I was geeked. I was super hype because, for one,
Speaker 3: I hate Duke. I hate everything about him, just a
Speaker 3: full disclosure. I always been a North Carolina fan, but
Speaker 3: I hate everything about him, and I felt like I
Speaker 3: felt like that was my chance to kind of solidify
Speaker 3: who I thought I was. Like I always thought I
Speaker 3: was the man, but the rest of the world hadn't
Speaker 3: seen me. People that watched the mid major basketball teams
Speaker 3: in mid rajior programs, they knew I had NBA qual talent,
Speaker 3: but they weren't sure if it translated, and they weren't
Speaker 3: sure if I could sustain a high level play against
Speaker 3: high level athletes.
Speaker 18: And I was like, this is my perfect chance. I'm
Speaker 18: playing against Duke.
Speaker 3: They got Austin Rivers, they got Mason Plumbley, they got
Speaker 3: Miles Plumbly, they got three other NBA they had Quinn Cook,
Speaker 3: they had like six seven NBA players, And I was like,
Speaker 3: I was like, this is my chance to show who
Speaker 3: I am and the show I can elevate my team,
Speaker 3: like I'm playing with. I always joke I said that
Speaker 3: my friends, my friends work on Wall Street, and I'm
Speaker 3: playing with like guys that work for Fortune five hundred
Speaker 3: companies against NBA players, Like the guys I played with
Speaker 3: are the accountants for the for the Duke players in
Speaker 3: three years from now. So if I can uplift them
Speaker 3: and play against them, this was solidify who I am.
Speaker 3: So I actually told my mom that we're gonna beat
Speaker 3: Duke and beat and beat whoever playing the second round.
Speaker 3: I said, we'll probably lose to Baylor because Baylor got
Speaker 3: Pierre Jackson. They had all this Quincy Quincy Millity, had
Speaker 3: all these like super super athletes, and I like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, like we ain't really athletic around here at
Speaker 3: a Patrio Legue school. So I went out there and
Speaker 3: in warm ups they was talking crazy, like you know
Speaker 3: how you go to half court and they just talking
Speaker 3: out of pocket, like just saying ridiculous, reckless stuff, trying
Speaker 3: to like punk us in warm ups, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: man like, like y'all, y'all ain't even built like that,
Speaker 3: Like like, first of all, Duke players don't even really
Speaker 3: be nice like that when they get to the league.
Speaker 1: Ain't know gangs is going to Duke, right.
Speaker 18: So they was talking crazy at wordmups.
Speaker 3: But then like once the game started, like I let
Speaker 3: him know, I was here talking to the bench. I'm
Speaker 3: talking to coach k after shots like I'm letting them
Speaker 3: know I'm here, like I don't know WHI ch'all been
Speaker 3: doing in the ACC but ain't none of these Ain't
Speaker 3: none of these like me, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: And we.
Speaker 5: Ended up going to win.
Speaker 3: I think that was like the signature game for me
Speaker 3: to kind of solidify that, like I can play in
Speaker 3: the league and I can hold my own, I can
Speaker 3: be a league guard, I can play off the ball,
Speaker 3: like I can give you whatever you want.
Speaker 1: So after doing what you did to Duke, how did
Speaker 1: that kind of catapult you into the national eye and
Speaker 1: it start kind of getting the respect you always felt
Speaker 1: you deserved.
Speaker 3: I think it put me in that like mid major
Speaker 3: startum role to where you know, you had the Steph Curry's,
Speaker 3: you had the Jimmer for Dats, you had the George
Speaker 3: Hill situation. You had a lot of Eric Mayner, a
Speaker 3: lot of players who were in similar situations, you know,
Speaker 3: where they are able to beat a higher ranked team,
Speaker 3: a higher seed in the NCAA tournament. You had the
Speaker 3: Steve Nasz situation when he was a fifteen to beating
Speaker 3: the two seeds kind of put me in that same
Speaker 3: light to where it was like, you know, he has
Speaker 3: NBA potential X y Z, these types of players have
Speaker 3: done this this, These are what his numbers are like
Speaker 3: compared to them. And then it kind of set me
Speaker 3: up to where I was the next season. I'm a
Speaker 3: preseason All American.
Speaker 18: I had.
Speaker 3: I entered the draft that year and had basically heard
Speaker 3: that I would be a late first round pick.
Speaker 18: And I had to decide if I wanted to leave
Speaker 18: or go back to school.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm going back, Like I always
Speaker 3: wanted to be the man, this is my chance to
Speaker 3: beat a man.
Speaker 18: Go to a small school.
Speaker 3: I wanted to. You know, some people don't want too
Speaker 3: much film on him. I was like, they can get
Speaker 3: as much film.
Speaker 18: They want on me. Like I believe in my game.
Speaker 3: I know that I can get back to where I
Speaker 3: was at and take my team even further. And I
Speaker 3: firmly believe if I didn't fracture my foot, like we
Speaker 3: was going to like the lead eight. Like we had
Speaker 3: a bunch of seniors. We were a good team. We
Speaker 3: were about to be ranked in the country. We had
Speaker 3: a pretty good schedule. He was playing VCU, we were
Speaker 3: playing high major teams, well, the high major teams that
Speaker 3: would play us most of them was afraid.
Speaker 18: I Also the backstory funny part.
Speaker 3: Is so as I went to a small school like
Speaker 3: Lee High, and I wanted to play every school that
Speaker 3: didn't offer me. So I wanted to play Penn State,
Speaker 3: I wanted to play Ohio State. I wanted to play
Speaker 3: the Dukes in North Carolina's but every school in Ohio
Speaker 3: I didn't recruit me. I really wanted to play them.
Speaker 3: And then I got cut from the USA team. Matt
Speaker 3: Painter was the head coach, was at Purdue Behein was
Speaker 3: on the staff and two other coaches. So I went
Speaker 3: back home and I told our coaching staff I wanted
Speaker 3: to play Purdue, I wanted to play Syracuse. I want
Speaker 3: to play all those schools, and they said that will
Speaker 3: play you when c J leaves.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 18: Thanks. So that's that's kind of how it went.
Speaker 3: After that Dude game, I was I was just locked in,
Speaker 3: like determined to get to the next level. And I
Speaker 3: got to go to CP three, I got to go
Speaker 3: to Bronz Skills Academy. I got to go to all
Speaker 3: those things and really expose myself to like what it's
Speaker 3: like to play at the next level.
Speaker 1: Do a sport athlete? Quarterback what was your style like
Speaker 1: you would throw a runner?
Speaker 8: Both? Yeah, both, Yeah.
Speaker 5: I could throw it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 19: You know, back then we were in a lot of
Speaker 19: options too, but I could throw it. You know, it
Speaker 19: wasn't a typical just run all the time an athlete.
Speaker 8: I could throw it.
Speaker 1: It's something about football though, because I played football too,
Speaker 1: and I was yeah.
Speaker 20: Yeah, But to think about when you go through your
Speaker 20: couple of touchdowns, go to the.
Speaker 1: Stadium, you see eighty five thousand or one hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love basketball. I'm glad I chose basketball,
Speaker 1: but there's nothing that I get chills thinking about just
Speaker 1: them being in them stadiums and you almost committed to
Speaker 1: actually play high major college football.
Speaker 19: Yeah, that's my only regretting life that I never got
Speaker 19: a chance to play football at one year.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I and to be.
Speaker 19: Honest, I was gonna My freshman year was so so
Speaker 19: it was like ten points of five sis, So.
Speaker 8: It was all right.
Speaker 19: But you know, coming in as a McDonald's, you know,
Speaker 19: it's a lot of hype, but people didn't know I
Speaker 19: went through the back issues and all that stuff. So
Speaker 19: me and Coachio met with Nick Saban. He was the
Speaker 19: football coach at Michigan State. At the time, I was
Speaker 19: gonna play football. If I didn't have a great sophomore season,
Speaker 19: I was gonna play football that next year. But what
Speaker 19: happened was I was a big team player of the year,
Speaker 19: I was All American and it just took off.
Speaker 1: The exact same thing. You see, after my sophomore year.
Speaker 1: My sophomore year, I went out there, Bob Toledo cameing
Speaker 1: down that team. I went out there and did springball,
Speaker 1: ran routes for the first time in last year.
Speaker 8: Was dope.
Speaker 1: And then they started talking all this change of dorms,
Speaker 1: not captain, won't start on the basketball. I'm just like, God, damn,
Speaker 1: just because I want to play a little football. So
Speaker 1: but that was one thing too. I mean, to this day,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, what if I would have just gave
Speaker 1: it for a year and saw what it would have happened. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was, it would have been dope. Draymond told us
Speaker 1: a great story about being recruited by Izzo. Just a
Speaker 1: straight shooter. Uh, what was your recruitment process like with
Speaker 1: Michigan State. Who were some of the other schools you
Speaker 1: were considering going to?
Speaker 5: Oh Man?
Speaker 8: Back then?
Speaker 19: I was my top schools was like Syracuse, Cincinnati, you
Speaker 19: had Huggins.
Speaker 8: He recruited dogs, you.
Speaker 10: Know what I mean. He went after all the dogs.
Speaker 19: Back then, Georgia Tech, they was pumping out point guards.
Speaker 19: You know, you look at the history of Georgia Tech
Speaker 19: point guards. It had you go back from Mark Price
Speaker 19: to uh AA, Travis Best and Steph k and I
Speaker 19: would have been like right behind him.
Speaker 8: Who else was it?
Speaker 10: Uh?
Speaker 19: Michigan Uh Louisville, Florida State was another big one, and
Speaker 19: that was mainly football. Yeah, back then they had a run.
Speaker 8: They was on national.
Speaker 19: TV every week, Yeah, every week, And so I was
Speaker 19: looking at them. But being recruited by isoe what separated him?
Speaker 21: Man?
Speaker 8: He was in front every day.
Speaker 19: When I say every day, Man, he recruited me higher
Speaker 19: because back then they ain't had nothing, you know, So
Speaker 19: Draymond recruiting was a little different. You know, he could
Speaker 19: be a straight shooter with him with me, he was
Speaker 19: damn they're big. And to be honest, you know, because
Speaker 19: the people don't realize, like I took a chance on
Speaker 19: Michigan State. Michigan State wasn't the prominent program that is
Speaker 19: they it wasn't They ain't had like no top players there.
Speaker 19: Michigan had six or seven McDonald's, all American on the rockster.
Speaker 19: Michigan State didn't like Coachinzo didn't make the tournament before
Speaker 19: I got there. He was in this second year when
Speaker 19: I committed. So Michigan State wasn't what it was.
Speaker 1: And what was it like building that team out though,
Speaker 1: with Charlie and Mo And this is back when you
Speaker 1: were to college for you know, at least three years
Speaker 1: sometimes four. Yeah, what was it like kind of just
Speaker 1: going along that path because I say all the time
Speaker 1: like that some of the best funniest times of my life.
Speaker 10: Bro.
Speaker 19: Yeah, this star, no doubt about it. I would never
Speaker 19: change it for the world.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 19: Antonio Smith, he was people forget about him. He was
Speaker 19: the first one to go, Tom Big Tom. We played
Speaker 19: together at Michigan State. He went and then Mopete went.
Speaker 19: I came in and Charlie came And the reason I
Speaker 19: loved them my brothers, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 19: it was special on how we did it because we
Speaker 19: got it from the mother, like we wouldn't knowing that
Speaker 19: Michigan State wasn't shit.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
Speaker 19: And we came in there and grinded coach starting with coaching,
Speaker 19: so he was a grinder too, But we just came
Speaker 19: in grinded, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: That's that's what it was.
Speaker 19: Every day when I got there, I started the first
Speaker 19: thing I said, I got to change the mentality.
Speaker 22: You know what I mean.
Speaker 19: I could just tell people was used to losing, and
Speaker 19: I wasn't with that, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 19: even like the open gym games, they're played and you lose,
Speaker 19: it wasn't no, they didn't nobody care.
Speaker 8: So I'm like, let's start keeping tracked. Let's start keeping.
Speaker 19: Tracks of wins and losses, you know what I mean.
Speaker 19: So that started making winning important, you know. And then
Speaker 19: just to just me saying I beat you every day.
Speaker 19: It got real competitive, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 19: we started changing it slowly but surely, and and and
Speaker 19: then they clicked, you know what I mean, Like we
Speaker 19: got something special here. And I told coaches, start going
Speaker 19: to recruit some dogs, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 19: and and even when we like in the schedule, like
Speaker 19: I had a big part of that. People don't know
Speaker 19: that tough schedule they have. Me and coaches talked about
Speaker 19: that years. I went to him saying, start lighting them up.
Speaker 19: Let's clay.
Speaker 8: Yeah, let's scratch.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's scratch.
Speaker 19: Because you know, when you play some of them big schools,
Speaker 19: some of the other cats deer in the headline.
Speaker 5: They're nervous.
Speaker 19: So I'm like, go line them up first, get them going,
Speaker 19: and now when we play them in the tournament, we're
Speaker 19: gonna be ready to roll.
Speaker 8: Cats ain't in awe Like when we played Vince.
Speaker 19: Garden my sophomore year. Cats there they want the actual
Speaker 19: autograph before the gas.
Speaker 23: You know what I mean.
Speaker 8: They wasn't used to none.
Speaker 24: Of that, that crew they had.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so they was like almost fanboying.
Speaker 19: But at the a we started lying them, you know
Speaker 19: them tough games up early in the season.
Speaker 8: That changed everything.
Speaker 1: I heard some interesting stories about your recruiting process and
Speaker 1: how you committed somewhere and then you decommitted when the
Speaker 1: coach left, and then some shit in Michigan and then
Speaker 1: you got a low key got into it with izz
Speaker 1: Oh and tell me what that ended up, because you
Speaker 1: ended up getting your jersey retired just not too long ago,
Speaker 1: December third of last year. Tell me about the recruiting process,
Speaker 1: and then we'll finally get to what the honor it
Speaker 1: was to have see your jersey hung in the raptors
Speaker 1: of Michigan State.
Speaker 24: So the recruiting process for me was different a lot,
Speaker 24: a lot like the NBA for me, honestly, where you know,
Speaker 24: I'm coming up in Saginaw and there was there was.
Speaker 24: We had a guy who's sixteen named Josh Southern, and
Speaker 24: we had a guy named Larry Wright who was Larry's
Speaker 24: about six three wing could shoot the fuck out of
Speaker 24: it was athletic. And so that was my sophomore year
Speaker 24: and like you have all the coaches in the country
Speaker 24: coming in to see those guys. Josh end up going
Speaker 24: to Boston College, Larry went to Saint John's, and but
Speaker 24: you had Tuppy Smith time. It's on like all the
Speaker 24: coaches in the country coming through the Alpen gyms and
Speaker 24: I'm just young.
Speaker 1: I'm ninth going to tenth grade.
Speaker 24: I'm out there, rocket And like my high school coach
Speaker 24: would tell me, like, yo, these coaches are coming to
Speaker 24: see Josh and Larry and IT'SO even told me this before,
Speaker 24: but they'll leave talking about you. But at the time,
Speaker 24: I'm six, I'm still six', Five i'm. Undersized planning the
Speaker 24: four and SO i would kind of just get LIKE
Speaker 24: i started getting offers from, men majors and. People you,
Speaker 24: know you see the write ups and stuff, like, oh
Speaker 24: he's a mid major player at best.
Speaker 5: And all of.
Speaker 1: This then my junior, year you.
Speaker 24: KNOW i lost some, WEIGHT i got more, athletic AND
Speaker 24: i really started. Rocking my junior year end up being
Speaker 24: my best year of high school because my senior, year
Speaker 24: my ankle was fucked.
Speaker 8: UP i was fat as, hell and SO.
Speaker 24: I always wanted to go To Michigan statetion AS i
Speaker 24: was a. Kid my aunt went. There she was a
Speaker 24: number one player in the country and like eighty nine that.
Speaker 5: Time she went.
Speaker 24: There AND i used to go up as a little,
Speaker 24: kid AND i was scared Of, sparty BUT i always
Speaker 24: used to tell my, mama, Like i'm gonna.
Speaker 11: GO i.
Speaker 24: WAS i was the little badass, kids scared The, spartan
Speaker 24: scared Of. CHUCK i was scared of, everything and you,
Speaker 24: know SHE'S i used to always tell, Them i'm gonna
Speaker 24: go To Michigan.
Speaker 8: State you know What i'm.
Speaker 5: Saying and.
Speaker 24: Then WHEN i got to high, School coachino kinda offered.
Speaker 25: Me but.
Speaker 24: DIDN'T i, committed Thinking i'm committed but they weren't really honoring.
Speaker 24: It so it's LIKE i felt like they was kind
Speaker 24: of teeter in that line and like keeping me at
Speaker 24: bay but not going too far with.
Speaker 5: Me and SO i went.
Speaker 24: Down To kentucky my junior year and they were Playing
Speaker 24: florida and this One Joe kim knowing, them was, There
Speaker 24: like that bitchy college game they was.
Speaker 5: There they went back to. BACK i think, Yeah and.
Speaker 8: So college game day was.
Speaker 5: There we walking in Rupp arena and.
Speaker 24: Like i'm standing next to my assistant, coach my head
Speaker 24: coach in high school and Like we're literally this close
Speaker 24: to each other and got to scream at each other
Speaker 24: ear to hear. It i'm, Like, yo this shit. Live
Speaker 24: so you, know we go. On we watched the game that,
Speaker 24: Night florida end up. Winning then we stay. Over we
Speaker 24: meet With tubby earlier that day and they offered. Me i'm, like,
Speaker 24: yo this is WHERE i want to, Be SO i.
Speaker 24: Committed my mom didn't even. Know she didn't she had no,
Speaker 24: idea she had never Met tubby at.
Speaker 8: Nothing SO i get back. Home we drive back home That.
Speaker 24: Sunday After sunday, EVENING i get. Home my mom was
Speaker 24: always on the. Blogs just like she on Fucking twitter.
Speaker 8: Now and so WHEN i get, home.
Speaker 24: Like Maybe, Wednesday, thursday start hitting the blogs Like Draymond
Speaker 24: green committed To. Kentucky Now i'm mind. YOU i still
Speaker 24: didn't tell my, mom so we so.
Speaker 1: Are you thinking about this, Though like, DAMN i need
Speaker 1: to tell HER i need this or you're trying to hide.
Speaker 24: It i'm trying to hide, it like she never gonna
Speaker 24: find out.
Speaker 8: Until this time for me to. Go SO i get
Speaker 8: home like that.
Speaker 24: Thirsdday, yeah and she's standing there like waiting on, me
Speaker 24: like you did what, like And i'm, like. Huh she
Speaker 24: showed me the computer like you you committed To, kentucky
Speaker 24: and she fucking went crazy like how dare you do?
Speaker 24: That you never fucking talk to me about? It, this,
Speaker 24: that and the, other like lou who's my high school.
Speaker 24: Coach they don't fucking run, You i'm your fucking, mom
Speaker 24: all this, stuff And i'm just LIKE. Whoa so for,
Speaker 24: me it's like the happiest time of my. Life you
Speaker 24: feel me Like i'm committed To, kentucky but she's fucking grilling.
Speaker 24: Me so like a weekend and a week and a half,
Speaker 24: later she goes she drived down and go to a
Speaker 24: game by herself with my. Father they met down, there
Speaker 24: went to the, game and she came back and she
Speaker 24: was in tears and she was, like, Yo i'm, Like
Speaker 24: i'm not happy that you did that without, me.
Speaker 5: BUT i, see like why you committed. It it's fucking amazing.
Speaker 8: Down, there And i'm happy for.
Speaker 24: You and So tom went, on you know What i'm.
Speaker 24: Saying then we get To march And tubby called. Me
Speaker 24: we in the we in the state. Playoffs we end
Speaker 24: up winning. Championship But tubby called me and he, Said,
Speaker 24: HEY i wanted to call you and let you know
Speaker 24: That i'm gonna be Leaving kentucky tomorrow And i'm Gonna
Speaker 24: I'm i'm gonna go coach At, minnesota BUT i wanted
Speaker 24: to call you first and let you know that and
Speaker 24: not find out on.
Speaker 26: Blogs and So i'm, like, wow that's.
Speaker 24: Great you know What i'm. SAYING i appreciate you letting me.
Speaker 24: Know stand Up god to up he is and you,
Speaker 24: Know i'm gonna reopen my, recruitment But i'll definitely look
Speaker 24: at minnesota'll definitely be at the top of that. List
Speaker 24: and SO i reopened my recruitment and the first CALL
Speaker 24: i get that next, morning seven in the, morning this
Speaker 24: coach is, Today, Hey i'm, like what's?
Speaker 5: Up he, like how in the fuck could?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 5: Like this is?
Speaker 24: Me is relationship? Forever like how in the fuck could
Speaker 24: you commit To? Kentucky is fucking? Bullshit, this, that and the.
Speaker 5: Other And i'm, like, yo, like you didn't fucking offer.
Speaker 24: Me so NOW i started back going at him like
Speaker 24: you ain't fucking offer. Me you full of, shit y'all
Speaker 24: act LIKE i was fucking coming there AND i committed
Speaker 24: to you and you. Ain't you fucking pulled this stuf
Speaker 24: like fuck, That and he's, like whan the fuck said?
Speaker 5: That, well you.
Speaker 24: Didn't have a fucking, Offer and Now i'm telling you
Speaker 24: know you got a fucking. Offer so we're having a streaming.
Speaker 24: Match he's offering me a. Scholarship it's a full streaming.
Speaker 24: Match and so you, KNOW i ended up reopening recruitment
Speaker 24: and it eventually comes down To, Michigan Michigan state In.
Speaker 24: Indiana and this is like the summer after That, march
Speaker 24: AND i was prob, like not many people NOTICED i
Speaker 24: was gonna go To, michigan and my mom wanted me
Speaker 24: to go To michigan because of you, know the education
Speaker 24: and all of. That i'm really trying to get to the,
Speaker 24: least SO i ain't really tripping about the. Education BUT
Speaker 24: i was gonna go To. Michigan it's felt good and
Speaker 24: B i hatches got there like. It i'm, like all,
Speaker 24: Right i'm gonna go To. Michigan so they called me
Speaker 24: and they begged me to come down to open gym
Speaker 24: on This, now this Is. Thursday i'm committing on the Following.
Speaker 24: Thursday they begged.
Speaker 1: You was just gonna. COMMIT i had been.
Speaker 24: Before It's. Michigan it's an hour, away you know What i'm.
Speaker 24: Saying So i've been there a bunch of, times and
Speaker 24: they begged me to come one last time on That monday.
Speaker 24: Before so It's thursday, evening they're begging me to. COME
Speaker 24: i go That. Monday i'm committing that follow On. Thursday
Speaker 24: BUT i don't tell them i'm committing. There they just
Speaker 24: know my press conference Is. Thursday and SO i go.
Speaker 24: DOWN i plan in the open gym with. Them i'm
Speaker 24: busting they Ass i'm talking and like nobody talking back
Speaker 24: like that at that. Time Manny fresh was, There pet was.
Speaker 24: THERE pd ain't a big. Talker you know What i'm.
Speaker 24: Saying pet From Detroit many not a big. Talker they real,
Speaker 24: niggas but they ain't big. Talkers and then like the,
Speaker 24: rest Like Kevin grady was school but like there was
Speaker 24: a lot of squares on the, team and So i'm
Speaker 24: busting their ass and talking shit and like nobody's saying nothing.
Speaker 24: Back But i'm going To Michigan state And i'm talking
Speaker 24: shit and like trying to try and fight, me like
Speaker 24: everybody trying, fight And i'm, like, yeah that's, me you
Speaker 24: know What i'm, Saying like everybody talking, ship we about
Speaker 24: to fight in this open.
Speaker 5: Jail that's more me.
Speaker 24: Than fucking talking to everybody just looking at. Me and
Speaker 24: So Michigan state just swe more at home from. Me
Speaker 24: BUT i Have michigan left my ass at home and
Speaker 24: not fucking caught me.
Speaker 5: DOWN i went To.
Speaker 1: Michigan you, guys did you know accomplish so much in
Speaker 1: such a short amount of, time you, know with all the,
Speaker 1: accolades big, games, losses like you said the time, out
Speaker 1: what is the one thing you take is at that
Speaker 1: moment right? There is that the one when you say
Speaker 1: when you look. Back Chris, Webber michigan in The fab.
Speaker 1: Five what's the one thing that you hang your hat
Speaker 1: out and stands out to you that it is just
Speaker 1: that that sums up that.
Speaker 8: Moment that was a.
Speaker 6: Lot, yeah that was a. Lot yeah, STUCK i. KNOW
Speaker 6: i don't THINK i could pick. One, yeah that was a.
Speaker 6: LOT i don't THINK i could. Pick now you're putting a.
Speaker 6: Lot you're putting with a loaded. Question, yes a lot of,
Speaker 6: music personal, situation you putting, Music you putting a whole
Speaker 6: culture just on y'all backs at that, time you know
Speaker 6: WHAT i, Mean, like that was a, lot and.
Speaker 1: It was to, me LIKE i, said it was a
Speaker 1: Small it was a two year window to be real with,
Speaker 1: you you know WHAT i, mean because he was too
Speaker 1: and done so to effect to have a lifelong effect
Speaker 1: on culture as a whole when it pertains to, basketball
Speaker 1: you know WHAT i. Mean to have one of the
Speaker 1: greatest young teams in the history of the. Game unfortunately
Speaker 1: fell short two years in a. Row but LIKE i,
Speaker 1: said you guys did so much for the game and for.
Speaker 1: Culture that's WHY i was, wondering is there any one
Speaker 1: thing that sticks out or is just that whole?
Speaker 8: Moment is what it?
Speaker 6: IS i think it's the whole, moment, man because it's
Speaker 6: many things you do, Now like their players are look
Speaker 6: at rob men with.
Speaker 1: Two tattoos and be, like he ain't got no. Tattoos
Speaker 1: but they.
Speaker 6: Don't realize at that, day it was like having a
Speaker 6: tattoo on your, face.
Speaker 5: Right you know WHAT i.
Speaker 6: Mean so it was the small things like at that, time,
Speaker 6: MAN i felt like the world was, changed and like
Speaker 6: even with little things like And Living color was ON.
Speaker 6: Tv you know What i'm, Saying little things like. That
Speaker 6: SO i definitely want to take the. Credit and we did,
Speaker 6: it but it was the energy of everybody at that.
Speaker 6: Time black people was coming. Up you wasn't taking it no.
Speaker 6: More we saw all these other, expressions all these other,
Speaker 6: Things LIKE i remember we won the game and, all
Speaker 6: and we jumped on the scores table and then hip
Speaker 6: HOP i ran had the whole crowd doing.
Speaker 5: It.
Speaker 6: Right i'm just doing it BECAUSE i love hip hop
Speaker 6: AND i want to feel like a. RAPPER i want
Speaker 6: TO i want to know how y'all do. It AND
Speaker 6: i remember the criticism they came, after you know WHAT i, Mean,
Speaker 6: like WHEN i really think about, it, man, DOG i
Speaker 6: was eighteen getting death.
Speaker 5: Threats, dog you.
Speaker 1: Know WHAT i, Mean i'm having fun though for people you.
Speaker 6: Ain't letting these five black guys what these niggas up
Speaker 6: here doing Like i'm talking about like it was, crazy you,
Speaker 6: know to the point Where i'm. Worried and NOW i
Speaker 6: got my boys from the come and sit by my parents.
Speaker 1: Again it's you know WHAT i. Mean but it's a
Speaker 1: different time, though web. Too not to cut you off
Speaker 1: because it's common now because social, media any coward has a,
Speaker 1: Voice but back then they had to, like really somehow
Speaker 1: get that. Ship this is the early, nineties SO i
Speaker 1: had to be like a handwritten.
Speaker 8: Letter, time you know.
Speaker 1: Something there was, more there was more hate behind.
Speaker 6: It yeah, yeah and it makes you, too you know
Speaker 6: at that. Time now these are all good things because
Speaker 6: you can't have courage without. Fear so So i'm not
Speaker 6: gonna act like nobody was a scar these. Times BUT
Speaker 6: i really have to thank our parents because your question
Speaker 6: stack what what got it? Was we were built for.
Speaker 6: IT i, Hell i'm gonna cry about. This my father
Speaker 6: came from you.
Speaker 5: Know What i'm.
Speaker 1: Saying it was built for, it you know WHAT i.
Speaker 6: Mean my mother she like WHEN i went To, duke she, like,
Speaker 6: yeah you like, that you like, architecture, Right so you
Speaker 6: like that. Architecture i'm, like, yeah well she's like a
Speaker 6: black man designed all of. It he don't get no
Speaker 6: credit for, it you know WHAT i? Mean like they,
Speaker 6: are we are ready for, it you know WHAT i.
Speaker 6: Mean and that's why it doesn't surprise me j ON tv,
Speaker 6: now it doesn't surprise me other. Things so you, KNOW
Speaker 6: i can't take one, MOMENT i just take all of.
Speaker 6: Us it did a lot for, us man because growing,
Speaker 6: up we, like we watched y'all one than we watched
Speaker 6: THE nba because we felt like we were.
Speaker 5: Y'all like these are five.
Speaker 1: Guys that's the, best come from the, bottom that's the best.
Speaker 6: Confidence and they supporting each. Other and another, thing we
Speaker 6: talk About big, three you can never duplicate The fab.
Speaker 8: Five though we.
Speaker 6: Talk About big three right now they talking About big three.
Speaker 6: Teams why ain't nobody talking about The fab Five because
Speaker 6: you can't duplicate. That y'all was meant to be the
Speaker 6: cornerstone and the culture at that. Time, bro you know
Speaker 6: WHAT i, Mean we appreciate it because it did a
Speaker 6: lot for. US i appreciate the fact you said that
Speaker 6: you saw yourself and.
Speaker 1: US i promise.
Speaker 6: You that's WHY i used to be like at the,
Speaker 6: GAME i used to have tears in my. Eyes our
Speaker 6: mom is watching the, game or you, know even, commentating
Speaker 6: like some of the reasons and some of the WAYS
Speaker 6: i commentate is on purpose BECAUSE i know what they
Speaker 6: said about. Us we cut our, hair we cut our yair.
Speaker 6: Dog it's like my father always you, know my, father my.
Speaker 6: Father people Think juan my father Is juwan did my
Speaker 6: father looked Like muhammad Al Lee juan Will smith like all.
Speaker 6: That he had the same army. Haircut and we're, like
Speaker 6: we're gonna make you cut your, hand pretty. Boy you
Speaker 6: know we go to the final, four you gotta cut his.
Speaker 6: Hair ball all of us cut out. Hair AND i
Speaker 6: remember the. Game you know my mother she just, says you,
Speaker 6: KNOW i was messed. Up you know they said y'all
Speaker 6: look like. Thugs but she wanted me to hear. That
Speaker 6: and he's, like, oh you you want to see you
Speaker 6: want to see what this is on the? Court well
Speaker 6: that's really, SHOW i asked. Today so we were built for,
Speaker 6: it and we had a lot of. People so many
Speaker 6: people support, us man and give us that energy because
Speaker 6: it was a lot to. Carry maybe maybe not you
Speaker 6: really don't, remember BUT i remember the.
Speaker 1: Love especially for your age. Though that's a lot to
Speaker 1: have on your. SHOULDERS i got the.
Speaker 6: Pictures my whole team ninety, four ninety, five ninety six state,
Speaker 6: championship all whole team Ball head because y'all did.
Speaker 5: It.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah so obviously there's been. Talks and SINCE i
Speaker 1: feel like you're my big, Brother i'm gonna go ahead
Speaker 1: and ask you there the thirty for thirty doc came,
Speaker 1: out you weren't involved in. It where did The fab
Speaker 1: five situation gone? Wrong and is it righted today in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty.
Speaker 6: One, yeah SO i don't think The fab five situation
Speaker 6: ever went? Wrong, okay you, know LIKE i, SAY i,
Speaker 6: MEAN i talked to a great time right on the
Speaker 6: outside looking. It, yeah, YEAH i talked to cats too.
Speaker 6: Much you, know if if they if this was, loud
Speaker 6: they he turned to text nine fuck up the. Interview
Speaker 6: BUT i would say THAT i would say that the
Speaker 6: deterioration of me And Jay rowse relationship could probably have
Speaker 6: an effect on, everybody you know What i'm, Saying and
Speaker 6: So i've always tried to be, Careful but you're my,
Speaker 6: brother and this you're just gonna do. It i've tried
Speaker 6: to be careful of how to talk about my relationship.
Speaker 5: Because you don't.
Speaker 6: Understand i'm the oldest of, Five so my mother taught
Speaker 6: me a couple of. Things If i'm fighting my brother
Speaker 6: in the street and the strange try to break us
Speaker 6: up deep they ass and get back to, Fighting ain't.
Speaker 5: Nobody like how do? You how the hell you getting?
Speaker 1: Off you know WHAT i?
Speaker 6: Mean, well we love each, other we, fight so that's one.
Speaker 6: Thing and then just it's not fair to save my
Speaker 6: side without someone there saying that. Side AND i feel
Speaker 6: like the whole time it has been a negative coming at,
Speaker 6: Me LIKE i felt, like damn at all are people
Speaker 6: to hate me out all the white, people all, this
Speaker 6: all that that's been trying to get me for.
Speaker 1: Years you you, yeah you? Yeah that shit hurt me
Speaker 1: to my.
Speaker 6: Court, Dog i'm holding me in tears right, now, right
Speaker 6: But i'm not. Perfect i'm not saying. That so this
Speaker 6: ain't no sides or. Nothing it's just something on my
Speaker 6: brother's show telling me what. Happened so with, that And
Speaker 6: i'm a big, brother SO i know how to get
Speaker 6: out the. Way matter of, FACT i get out the
Speaker 6: way too.
Speaker 5: Much SO.
Speaker 6: I just want people at the end of the day
Speaker 6: that the brothers to remember they don't love. Us that's.
Speaker 6: All that's. All THAT'S I i know they don't love.
Speaker 6: Me and you can be a good man knowing they
Speaker 6: don't love.
Speaker 1: You, yeah, Right. Yeah my mother used to have a,
Speaker 1: saying you, know who are they to be equal? To mm?
Speaker 1: Whatever that whatever that?
Speaker 6: Means a basketball player for forty years is just a?
Speaker 6: Businessman who is he to be equal?
Speaker 10: To you?
Speaker 1: Know we we you, know you, know so you KNOW i,
Speaker 1: was you, KNOW.
Speaker 15: I.
Speaker 6: WAS i think that me being like, damn you know
Speaker 6: WHAT i? Mean like things said you called time out
Speaker 6: on purpose things and it said like you lied in
Speaker 6: court like. That w that would hurt any real one
Speaker 6: with knowing that you, righteous with knowing that you don't
Speaker 6: do nothing to you to especially to your brother in
Speaker 6: that form, we LIKE i, said we not, perfect but
Speaker 6: in that form to initially hurt you as a, brother
Speaker 6: that should hurt. Brow it's this Song stars is a dope.
Speaker 6: Song it's an old song in the. SEVENTIES i think
Speaker 6: in this Giant JAN i don't know her, name but janis.
Speaker 6: Iron it's Not. JOPPLIN i know what you're talking. ABOUT
Speaker 6: i probably chopping this girl name. Up but she, says
Speaker 6: how do you make amends without? Defending like IF i
Speaker 6: say to, you you, know stack, man you ain't never you,
Speaker 6: know you have a comeback and come to the point
Speaker 6: you address. It at some, point you're gonna have to be, like, hey,
Speaker 6: dog you know what, happened?
Speaker 5: Right you know What i'm.
Speaker 12: Saying AND i.
Speaker 5: DON'T i.
Speaker 6: DON'T i don't want to do that Because i'm working
Speaker 6: On i've been working on forgetting this, dog BECAUSE i
Speaker 6: Want god to forgive, me you know WHAT i. Mean
Speaker 6: like when it talks about forget seven times seven, times
Speaker 6: like it just clicked with.
Speaker 1: Me it ain't forget that many.
Speaker 6: Times it's that might take that might that might be
Speaker 6: how many times you gotta?
Speaker 5: Forgive you know WHAT i?
Speaker 6: Mean BECAUSE i could be late again, today like you
Speaker 6: have to forgive me. Again you have to forgive me,
Speaker 6: again you. Know AND i Want god forgive. ME i
Speaker 6: won't forgive this for my. BROTHERS i want you know and,
Speaker 6: so but What i've learned IS i can forgive you
Speaker 6: without fucking with.
Speaker 1: YOU i love you from a. Distance, yeah AND i
Speaker 1: will tell you.
Speaker 6: This we're, brothers AND i know it'll IT'LL i know
Speaker 6: you know again were, brothers so you, know But i've
Speaker 6: never said nothing about, it And i'm just, like you
Speaker 6: got the biggest media company in the, world y'all biggest doc.
Speaker 6: EVER i hope you're on the, story. RIGHT i hope
Speaker 6: you're on that because but but but that's you see
Speaker 6: me being laid, back trying to be cool and not say.
Speaker 6: Nothing that's got also saying, Like, okay you better quit
Speaker 6: running from confrontation and tell your story because you got
Speaker 6: a son coming.
Speaker 1: Up you're gonna let him think that's what.
Speaker 5: Is that's WHY i got the book.
Speaker 6: In the doc And i'm gonna inspire some mother fun
Speaker 6: kids Because i'm gonna really show you what it's. Like
Speaker 6: Like i'm not embarrassed in what my father came.
Speaker 5: From he all, right what part did you pay in the?
Speaker 6: Swag LIKE i know everybody had their own, input the
Speaker 6: baggy shorts of shoes you.
Speaker 27: Played it's hard for me to like say it without
Speaker 27: people thinking Like i'm trying to make it about.
Speaker 1: Me but you was the fashionable one.
Speaker 27: THOUGH i was look at it one that. CARED i cared,
Speaker 27: More that's All juwan. Didn't jawan was, like, No i'm
Speaker 27: trying to. Ball jawan's a. Professional jawan was always ten
Speaker 27: years older than, us.
Speaker 1: But the same, age but the same.
Speaker 27: Age never had a not a fresh, cut always had
Speaker 27: a big gold, tee always had a crease in his.
Speaker 8: Pants like we all kept our.
Speaker 27: Originality and so many times people talk about us all
Speaker 27: wearing bad.
Speaker 8: Heads he ain't cut his hair.
Speaker 5: Ball he didn't.
Speaker 8: Know, yeah he was, LIKE i love, Y'ALL i ain't
Speaker 8: cutting my hair. Ball I'M i ain't cutting my.
Speaker 27: Hairball so LIKE i started wanting to wear the shorts
Speaker 27: Because Doug Smith, Missouri Steve Smith's, Syracuse Anderson HUNT u
Speaker 27: n L. V Steve, Smith Michigan. State they used to
Speaker 27: all come home in the summer and bring me, shorts,
Speaker 27: Right SO i used to have those satin shorts down
Speaker 27: on my knees with. All they get heavy when you
Speaker 27: start sweating in.
Speaker 8: Them but they were so.
Speaker 27: Cold so, like by the time we got to, College i'm,
Speaker 27: like y'all got A nike. CONTRACT i know y'all can
Speaker 27: get us a longer. Shorts that's really what it. Was Bobbie,
Speaker 27: BLAND i remember his. Name our, Equipment, like we want
Speaker 27: some longer. Shorts and then the other thing y'all, Know
Speaker 27: Nike rep came. In welcome to the. School everything's, great.
Speaker 27: Man he put out some power for. Shoes, man back,
Speaker 27: Up power forward.
Speaker 1: Shoes back.
Speaker 8: Up, yeah we're not wearing them with a bow.
Speaker 27: Jacket we we ain't wearing no high. Tops up to my,
Speaker 27: Cap i'm not wearing. Them and so that's when The hirachis.
Speaker 27: Came they didn't even want us to wear them because
Speaker 27: they felt like it wasn't a basketball shoe because your
Speaker 27: ankles were out. Right and so we wore them and
Speaker 27: they's like you got to get your ankles tape before every,
Speaker 27: practice before every game for a, lawsuit like. Ok and
Speaker 27: then we signed a little wafers so we could wear those.
Speaker 27: Shoes and that's where like the whole fashion thing with
Speaker 27: the shoes came from the ball. Heads it was more
Speaker 27: like just, solidarity one for, all all of.
Speaker 5: One.
Speaker 8: Whatever the Socks Ray jackson.
Speaker 27: Really, yes, indeed we were about to play In. TEXAS
Speaker 27: i forgot the FIRST i forgot one of Them texas.
Speaker 1: Schools And.
Speaker 27: Ray's homeboy came to the. Hotel ray was, like da da,
Speaker 27: Dah i've been, traveling bring me some. Socks and he
Speaker 27: Brought ray a gray pair with Blue, nike AND i
Speaker 27: was in the room playing Uh, madden And ray came
Speaker 27: in the room and he pulled out the. Socks i'm,
Speaker 27: like what you get do? Fun it's like you just
Speaker 27: got it for the. Mall and then we all looked like.
Speaker 8: They have some Black.
Speaker 27: So we went to the mall and now just think about,
Speaker 27: this they didn't have five pairs of black socks out
Speaker 27: of an entire. Mall the first, GAME i wore dress
Speaker 27: socks on top of my white.
Speaker 8: Sox true story on dress.
Speaker 27: Socks we went to the little, stall we put on our,
Speaker 27: unis covered up the, socks D. D we ain't gonna
Speaker 27: snap off our pants until right before the tip, off
Speaker 27: so they won't tell.
Speaker 1: Us.
Speaker 8: No you know how that. Worked we do it prior
Speaker 8: gotta get.
Speaker 27: It we're gonna shut it, down.
Speaker 8: So we're gonna make sure it can't shut it.
Speaker 27: Down so that that's how we did.
Speaker 5: It that's.
Speaker 1: Dope, yeah Oh.
Speaker 8: Rice that's who he's.
Speaker 1: Playing he's what's your relationship?
Speaker 8: NOW i love.
Speaker 27: Him he should be in The hall Of. Fame three,
Speaker 27: final FOUR Us National. Championship he should be in The
Speaker 27: hall Of. Fame did great With San Diego state brought
Speaker 27: their program back to. Life Brian, dutcher who now, coaching
Speaker 27: was the lead. Recruiters juwan signed with him, first now
Speaker 27: their head. Coach he was giving our tickets on. Campus
Speaker 27: now they got a real. Program he should be in
Speaker 27: The hall Of. Fame he's got many championships As Jim
Speaker 27: beahan and my Guy Michigan, state WHO i. LOVE i,
Speaker 27: mean he got many, championships has, them SO i feel
Speaker 27: like he deserves.
Speaker 1: It what's your relationship With? Web we touched on it
Speaker 1: In atlanta when we had him recently disintroducted The hall Of.
Speaker 1: Fame saw that shout, Out but what's your relationship With?
Speaker 27: WEB i Love web And i'm almost, sure especially Since
Speaker 27: juwan just re signed That i'll see him in that.
Speaker 8: Arbor i'm back living in the d AND.
Speaker 27: I see he just did it something incredible donation to
Speaker 27: cannabis and al killing them In detroit, too shot the.
Speaker 8: VIOLA i just love how.
Speaker 27: Strip clubs and we used to be taboo even though
Speaker 27: everybody else was doing. It now we started Doing it's
Speaker 27: great to see us getting profit off of, it and
Speaker 27: SO i believe we be able a break bread this
Speaker 27: year or whatever at a Game i'm GLAD i got
Speaker 27: a chance to be there when he got inducted in
Speaker 27: The hall Of. Fame i'm glad he got a chance
Speaker 27: to be on the show right AFTER i lost my,
Speaker 27: mom and so we're. GOODIE i have no, problems no
Speaker 27: ill will with my. Brother of, course we need to
Speaker 27: probably sit down and talk about some dotsormize and cross
Speaker 27: some teas or. Whatever but you, Know i'm taking the
Speaker 27: bullet for, see, well that's my.
Speaker 1: BROTHER i love to hear. That being big fans of
Speaker 1: both y'all and he was kind of my big brother
Speaker 1: coming up through the league and just being big. Fans
Speaker 1: so obviously at this, POINT i, mean tomorrow's never, Promised
Speaker 1: so to be able to see that bridge being rebuilt
Speaker 1: or not even that it was, broken but just being
Speaker 1: able with like you, said cross it, TOGETHER i think that's, dope.
Speaker 1: Man so we definitely commend you for. That McDonald's All
Speaker 1: American state champions scored forty three points in the championship.
Speaker 1: Game those are Your Al bundy days recruited you ended
Speaker 1: up Choosing. Duke what was it About duke that spoke
Speaker 1: right to?
Speaker 11: You By Olt bundy, days you.
Speaker 1: Know when he reminisces about his Polk hi. DAYS i
Speaker 1: used to do this in high school and do that
Speaker 1: in high, school but you really had the. Accolades, yeah.
Speaker 28: HONESTLY i MEAN i was A duke fan SINCE i
Speaker 28: was like, eight SINCE i first started playing, basketball and
Speaker 28: my first year of basketball was when they had had
Speaker 28: won their second national championship against.
Speaker 11: AGAINST i guess it Was michigan that.
Speaker 28: Year, yeah because in ninety one they Beat, Kansas so
Speaker 28: they Beat michigan in ninety, two AND i probably watched
Speaker 28: that game like twenty. Times somebody had had taped it
Speaker 28: ON vhs at our house and then it ended up
Speaker 28: getting taped over by the sound of.
Speaker 11: MUSIC i was FUCKING i had that game memorized for
Speaker 11: like two.
Speaker 29: Years and so it was like by the TIME i
Speaker 29: got to high, school, man LIKE i was getting recruited
Speaker 29: by a lot of, teams you, know LIKE, uva AND
Speaker 29: i was From VIRGINIA'S uva Was omnyard And Texas Stanford Billy.
Speaker 29: Donovan it was A florida at the, time AND i
Speaker 29: was really interested in going, there but it was always
Speaker 29: a situation where if coach k And duke.
Speaker 11: Had made me an, offer LIKE i was going to go,
Speaker 11: there you know it.
Speaker 28: Was it was the hardest part for me was saying
Speaker 28: no TO uva BECAUSE i did feel some sense of.
Speaker 28: Loyalty my family had lived In charlottesville for a few
Speaker 28: years before we moved To, roanoke and you, KNOW i
Speaker 28: had some friends that were going to go TO. Uva
Speaker 28: my best friend in high school was going to go
Speaker 28: play baseball and football. There so it was that was
Speaker 28: the hardest, part was just saying no to. Them but
Speaker 28: going To duke was it was the dream come. True you,
Speaker 28: KNOW i.
Speaker 5: DIDN'T i.
Speaker 28: DIDN'T i didn't, REALLY i didn't really bad AN I
Speaker 28: it was, like you have a chance to, come here's
Speaker 28: your you, know here's your. Offer and then like three
Speaker 28: days LATER i Called COACH k AND i, said.
Speaker 5: All, Right i'm.
Speaker 1: Coming that's. DOPE i, mean with the rich history At,
Speaker 1: duke with all The All americans AND nba, players they turned,
Speaker 1: out you, know two TIME Icc player of The, year
Speaker 1: all Time duke leading. Score what was your experience like,
Speaker 1: There and tell us About COACH. K what was like
Speaker 1: playing with him and what did you learn from.
Speaker 28: HIM i feel LIKE i HAD i had two chapters
Speaker 28: of My duke, career and it was you, know my
Speaker 28: freshman and sophomore year and my junior and senior, year and.
Speaker 11: My first chapter was really.
Speaker 28: Hard this was the chapter that Made Matt barnes THINK
Speaker 28: i was an, asshole and most Of america THOUGHT i
Speaker 28: was an. Asshole you, know you're you're eighteen years old
Speaker 28: as a, freshman AND i you, KNOW i, played and
Speaker 28: at that, POINT i played.
Speaker 11: In a lot of big, games but it's never in
Speaker 11: front of.
Speaker 28: Fans and you go on your first road game and
Speaker 28: it's that you're like twelve games into your freshman year
Speaker 28: and the entire student section is yelling profanities at. YOU
Speaker 28: i had in college my first two, YEARS i had
Speaker 28: this like bad acne and shoulder. Acne and so you
Speaker 28: see kids like wearing these Mock duke for number four
Speaker 28: jerseys and they've painted these red dots all over their
Speaker 28: shoulders and their signs about your, family and you're, like holy.
Speaker 11: Shit what DID i just sign up?
Speaker 28: For and you, Know i'm, Not I'm i'm not somebody
Speaker 28: that's gonna like back down from. That so THEN i
Speaker 28: sort of started creating this persona on the, court.
Speaker 11: And there was a lot of head, bobbing a lot
Speaker 11: of trash.
Speaker 28: Talking it was it was a lot like How jack
Speaker 28: played in THE, nba ONLY i was just a just
Speaker 28: a fucking cocky white, kid you know WHAT i.
Speaker 11: Mean so everybody hated, me.
Speaker 28: And you, know by the end of my sophomore, YEAR
Speaker 28: i was so distraught about, it AND i had gone
Speaker 28: to a really bad place and had had. MISBEHAVED i
Speaker 28: would SAY i misbehaved my sophomore. YEAR i tried to.
Speaker 28: QUIT i told my SISTERS i wanted to. Quit like
Speaker 28: this Was december of my sophomore.
Speaker 1: Year.
Speaker 28: DUKE i was, like, this this is not for, me
Speaker 28: is not WHAT i signed up. For AND i had
Speaker 28: basically a come To jesus moment with coach k in
Speaker 28: Late may of my sophomore. YEAR i guess it was
Speaker 28: after my sophomore, year summer between sophomore and junior, year
Speaker 28: and he sat me down the office and he just, said, look,
Speaker 28: man he's, like you've been, good like you you, know
Speaker 28: you Were all acc last year and you were third
Speaker 28: Team All, american we made The final.
Speaker 11: Four it's like you've been, good but what you're doing
Speaker 11: isn't good. Enough and Coach, collins who's.
Speaker 28: Now At, Northwestern Chris Collins Duck coollin's son he, Said
Speaker 28: i'll never. Forget he, said the sad thing is we'll
Speaker 28: never know how good you can.
Speaker 11: Be AND i was, like the fuck that. Hurts that.
Speaker 28: Hurts and that SUMMER i had them make me a
Speaker 28: schedule to the. HOUR i still have the fucking spreadsheet
Speaker 28: in a notebook in my. House they had met to the,
Speaker 28: hour you, know eight, am wake, up eight, thirty, breakfast nine,
Speaker 28: am checking with Coach, collins ten am Class and it
Speaker 28: was down the, line you, know, lifting, conditioning, basketball court,
Speaker 28: work study, hall lights, out ten. Pm and oh AND
Speaker 28: i had to carry a jug of water around the entire.
Speaker 28: SUMMER i had to have like a gallon jug of water.
Speaker 11: With me at all.
Speaker 1: Times was that to replace the?
Speaker 11: Beer, yes it was to replace the. Beer i'll take
Speaker 11: you guys want to know.
Speaker 28: STORIES i feel like this is the type of podcast
Speaker 28: WHERE i tell, Stories yes about my sophomore, year but so,
Speaker 28: yes As i'm walking around campus with the jugg of.
Speaker 11: Water SO i did that all. Summer they didn't let
Speaker 11: me PLAY usa.
Speaker 28: Basketball they're, like we want you, here we want you
Speaker 28: in our, environment and, man it was the best thing
Speaker 28: that ever happened for.
Speaker 11: ME i lost like twenty three POUNDS i.
Speaker 28: WAS i was over two fifteen at that, time In
Speaker 28: may of my sophomore. YEAR i started my junior year
Speaker 28: at like one ninety. TWO i was in unbelievable. SHAPE
Speaker 28: i won every preseason conditioning thing our team had that,
Speaker 28: year AND i Got National player of The year my
Speaker 28: junior year AND Acc player of the. Year we were
Speaker 28: we were undermanned. Squad we ended up getting a number
Speaker 28: one seed in THE ncaa. Tournament we won THE Acc,
Speaker 28: championship lost in the sweet.
Speaker 11: Sixteen like it was.
Speaker 28: An it was absolutely that year was the turning point
Speaker 28: in my. Life and it was all that that jugg
Speaker 28: of fucking, water that's all it.
Speaker 5: Was, hey what? What what?
Speaker 8: Was the N, c N c And duke ribery was, Like.
Speaker 28: Oh my, Gosh i'm gonna mix two stories. Here i'm
Speaker 28: gonna miss mix two. TOPICS i Know matt wants to
Speaker 28: hear some. Stories so the N c N c, double The,
Speaker 28: DUKE q AND c rivalry was was was.
Speaker 11: Crazy there was nothing else like.
Speaker 28: It and you, know growing up A duke, fan you
Speaker 28: have such an appreciation for that. Rivalry and my first
Speaker 28: time playing in it was A duke game at home
Speaker 28: against you AND. C my freshman year and the crowd
Speaker 28: was just, different the, buzz the energy was just. Different
Speaker 28: and you, know looking, back it feels like A game
Speaker 28: seven of a playoff. Game and that's what A duke
Speaker 28: qu AND c game feels. Like my sophomore, year we're.
Speaker 28: Playing we're we're gonna win the A sec regular season
Speaker 28: where the number one team of the COUNTRY us In,
Speaker 28: yukon we're basically number one or number two the whole,
Speaker 28: season so we're gonna win THE.
Speaker 11: Acc and it's the night before The DUKE q AND c.
Speaker 28: Game and it's game days, there so they got like
Speaker 28: the whole set up out In. Shoskville they got all
Speaker 28: the thus out.
Speaker 11: There oh it's.
Speaker 28: Popping So i'm in My i'm in my dorm room
Speaker 28: On West, campus AND i have a few friends. Over
Speaker 28: we we have a few beers or, whatever and so
Speaker 28: we get the idea that we should go down To
Speaker 28: shishiskville because that's where the party is.
Speaker 11: Tonight this is A friday, night it was A saturday night.
Speaker 28: Game so we go down there and LIKE i ended
Speaker 28: up playing beer pong with UN c, fans my roommates
Speaker 28: running Through shozhskiville screaming at, people waking them, up making
Speaker 28: them take shots Of Captain Morgan's oh this is pre
Speaker 28: cell phones with, cameras you, know this is pre social.
Speaker 28: Media like like looking, back LIKE i would have got
Speaker 28: kicked off the.
Speaker 11: TEAM i would have been a. Wrap it would have
Speaker 11: been a, rap.
Speaker 1: Right how did you play in that? Game? Though how
Speaker 1: did you play in that game that? Night next?
Speaker 28: Night not great in the first, half not great in
Speaker 28: the first, half BUT i.
Speaker 11: Had a good second. HALF i ended up with fifteen.
Speaker 28: Points uh and and uh made the made the made
Speaker 28: the the game winning defensive.
Speaker 11: Play believe it or.
Speaker 28: Not we stripped with shot McCants and then dove on
Speaker 28: a loose, ball got, fouled and and hit the game
Speaker 28: clinching free.
Speaker 14: Throw what was your recruiting? Process, like.
Speaker 30: You, know it was, good it was you, KNOW i
Speaker 30: mean for, me it was it was it Was Carolina.
Speaker 30: Georgetown those were the two schools THAT i.
Speaker 6: Loved dad wanted you to go TO. Unc, Yeah mama
Speaker 6: wanted you to go To. Georgetown, man that's.
Speaker 30: Right so we had we had we had we had season,
Speaker 30: tickets so we would go To georgetown. Games AND i
Speaker 30: don't know if you Remember Michael jackson played with point.
Speaker 30: Guard so he went to my high. School he used
Speaker 30: to work for my mother in the. Summers my mom
Speaker 30: Introduced Pat ewing to his. Wife SO i was SO
Speaker 30: i was entrenched With, georgetown LIKE i was all, in
Speaker 30: like we all. WERE i think at that time Black.
Speaker 30: TEAM i thought it WAS i thought it WAS hbcu back.
Speaker 30: THEN i didn't realize it was like, eleven you, KNOW
Speaker 30: i didn't realize it was a private. School but So, Georgetown, Carolina,
Speaker 30: Michigan virginia And duke AND i made my first visit
Speaker 30: and it was To duke And COACH k just kind
Speaker 30: of blew me. Away AND i knew right then THAT
Speaker 30: i wanted to be. There and and the genius of
Speaker 30: COACH k AND i, know you, know love Hate duke
Speaker 30: and all. That and obviously now he's had he had
Speaker 30: great success at the end and coached The olympic. Team
Speaker 30: but his ability to get people to buy. In he
Speaker 30: wasn't a, great excellent old, coach but like if he,
Speaker 30: sat he looked you in the eye like you believed in.
Speaker 30: Him and that was his, genius getting everybody to kind
Speaker 30: of like buy in to him and buy into one.
Speaker 30: Another and so do du really wasn't my, fate but
Speaker 30: like you, know it just felt, right and you, know
Speaker 30: made that, decision and you, know fortunately we made.
Speaker 6: History you win titles in ninety one and ninety, two
Speaker 6: the Famous Christian layton.
Speaker 5: Shot how big was that?
Speaker 30: Moment, Man it's, crazy you, know it's crazy to think
Speaker 30: that was thirty years ago and people still people still
Speaker 30: talk about.
Speaker 5: It But.
Speaker 30: Christian was a great college. PLAYER i Mean Alonso, SHACK
Speaker 30: i mean everybody he, faced he Dominated shack twice and.
Speaker 5: He and we had a good.
Speaker 30: TEAM i, Mean bobby was a great college point CAUD
Speaker 30: i was you, KNOW i was a good. Player he
Speaker 30: had three he had three guys in The College Basketball
Speaker 30: hall Of fame and so so those moments were. INCREDIBLE
Speaker 30: i don't think we realized while we were doing it
Speaker 30: the significance of what was. Happening we were just trying to.
Speaker 30: Win we WERE i was, NINETEEN i was a, kid
Speaker 30: and but that passed The. Laightner that. Shot laydenon didn't
Speaker 30: miss a shot the whole. Game Laden it was Cocky.
Speaker 30: Lighten it was like he talked. Trash he also had
Speaker 30: A he was a great teammate as. WELL i remember
Speaker 30: we had a GAME i talked about in the.
Speaker 5: Book we had a.
Speaker 30: Game we went To buffalo to Play cantius and it
Speaker 30: was a game for, him going back to his. Hometown
Speaker 30: and at halftime he had like one or two shots
Speaker 30: And Coach k's, like, Like, christian what's going, On like
Speaker 30: this game's for. You you act like you don't want to,
Speaker 30: play And he's, LIKE i want my hometown to see
Speaker 30: how good my teammates. Are and so you, know you
Speaker 30: you coming back, home college player of the, year you
Speaker 30: want to try to show. Out but he was trying
Speaker 30: to show us out and so he. He you, know
Speaker 30: you don't hear about that side Of. Christian you just
Speaker 30: hear the you, know the, crazy and there was a
Speaker 30: lot of. Craziness but but he. Was he was a great,
Speaker 30: competitor you, know he he he and he did his.
Speaker 30: Work he did his thing with.
Speaker 6: All the noise and knowing how everybody feel About, duke
Speaker 6: is the brotherhood tight enough to block out the noise
Speaker 6: and stay?
Speaker 8: Strong you?
Speaker 7: Know?
Speaker 30: YEAH i mean it's, funny, man BECAUSE i don't think
Speaker 30: we were aware of what people's perceptions were back then
Speaker 30: A duke AND i looked At duke no different THAN
Speaker 30: i looked At Wake, Forest Georgia, Tech. Georgetown these are
Speaker 30: p w y s that have good basketball, teams and
Speaker 30: SO i get it with the you, KNOW us Beating
Speaker 30: vegas and The Fab five and Obviously jalen's documentary and
Speaker 30: how they felt towards. Us BUT i wasn't aware of,
Speaker 30: that like, honestly like we we got along with every,
Speaker 30: like you, Know web was my. GUYS i talked some
Speaker 30: stories About weber and there when we were in high.
Speaker 30: School he used to come visit me In. Virginia you,
Speaker 30: know we didn't have social media and read the newspaper back,
Speaker 30: then so we were In. Durham we'd go To. Durham
Speaker 30: we go to, cookouts, barbecues. Barbershop everybody showed. Love SO
Speaker 30: i don't THINK i was aware that there was this. Stigma,
Speaker 30: yeah like this, NOW i should have known better BECAUSE
Speaker 30: i didn't like The celtics for the very reason people
Speaker 30: didn't like. US i was A laker, fan AND i
Speaker 30: identified with The. Lakers BUT i think because we had
Speaker 30: really good white players and had a very latner, pearly
Speaker 30: MAYBE i fit, this like you, know my parents and you,
Speaker 30: know people thought what they thought about. ME i think
Speaker 30: that might have contributed to the. Narrative but at the,
Speaker 30: time LIKE i was totally oblivious to that, narrative and
Speaker 30: not until years LATER i even thought the hate Towards
Speaker 30: duke later on was Because duke has success like The
Speaker 30: yankees or like.
Speaker 8: You, know The.
Speaker 5: COWBOYS i didn't.
Speaker 8: REALIZE i didn't really realize.
Speaker 1: That you could have used a better. Example BUT i
Speaker 1: feel you over.
Speaker 30: The forty nine, ers you, know you, know and so
Speaker 30: BUT i get it, now LIKE i, understand and it
Speaker 30: was an interesting, time and you, know and so you,
Speaker 30: KNOW i get the we had a brotherhood. Strong coach
Speaker 30: k moved, on you, Know shires recruited, well.
Speaker 8: You, know we hope to stay. Relevant. Man that's that's
Speaker 8: that's the main.
Speaker 6: Thing in ninety One final, four y'all started thirty, FOUR i,
Speaker 6: know before losing The Duke Grant Hill Barba, Hariley Christian
Speaker 6: latna talk about that.
Speaker 12: Shout out To. Duke, NO i played in. IT i
Speaker 12: played in, it you. Know and the only THING i
Speaker 12: can say about, IT i say this all the. TIME
Speaker 12: i lost the. GAME i lost the, game AND i
Speaker 12: say it's a GRIG a go bullshit and everybody go. Bullshit,
Speaker 12: no we did, this we did. That but being the
Speaker 12: number one playing college that. Year everyone here all the.
Speaker 12: SMOKE i lost the. GAME i didn't play. HARD i
Speaker 12: was out There, ladlergagon you, know on seventy eighty, percent
Speaker 12: thinking we're playing somebody just beat about thirty the year.
Speaker 12: Before but it was closed the whole, game AND i.
Speaker 12: Wasn't it wasn't with. Me were up, four we up,
Speaker 12: five then they're tied. Up we, go we going that
Speaker 12: little run. Again BUT i was loud. AGAIN i was
Speaker 12: thinking about the. League, yeah, MAN i said this. Before
Speaker 12: i'm not snitching. HIM i said this. BEFORE i always
Speaker 12: SAY i lost that. Game and at the end WHEN
Speaker 12: i anybody else saw the end of that, GAME i
Speaker 12: know you two did. Right SHOULD i shot the?
Speaker 4: Ball?
Speaker 5: ABSOLUTELY i should have shot the.
Speaker 28: Ball choke point, out he's gonna send five men to the.
Speaker 11: Boards Larry johnson brings the.
Speaker 28: Ball, up looks like he wants to go all the
Speaker 28: way with.
Speaker 1: Him he's outside, now stopping his. Trouble later on Him
Speaker 1: hunt will have to do something. Great hurling's gone two
Speaker 1: cost two cuts up to touch you AND, o, BABE
Speaker 1: i never.
Speaker 5: Heard THAT i. SHOT i should have shot the. Ball
Speaker 5: choke say that all the.
Speaker 1: Time talk a little bit about you touched on it,
Speaker 1: earlier but Just tark versus the, world the mentality of the.
Speaker 1: Team what kind of Dude tark, Was how he captivated
Speaker 1: people just like you guys did as a, team and
Speaker 1: just how good then obviously his wife and.
Speaker 8: Everything how good was he to you?
Speaker 12: Guys, again you're talking to someone who never met his.
Speaker 12: Father so every coach was almost, like that's who's telling
Speaker 12: me what to do day in and day, out, Right
Speaker 12: so as a, man so he was that and me
Speaker 12: and coach was real. Close AND i know people, saying,
Speaker 12: yeah he was a number one player on the, team
Speaker 12: but it don't matter who you. Are when you see
Speaker 12: the way he treated people and treated, you that's what
Speaker 12: a respect comes. In because he was bigger than we.
Speaker 5: Was.
Speaker 12: Now now we were some bad motherfuckers and everybody loved the,
Speaker 12: team but Coach tark was an. Outcome you got to
Speaker 12: remember to. Everyone, now you, guys what The raiders, There
Speaker 12: you got the girls team, there you got that badass
Speaker 12: hockey team, there, right forget about. It when we was AT,
Speaker 12: unlv there was no professional team. Nowhere it was just
Speaker 12: that college right there in that basketball.
Speaker 1: Team how important is it? Too because we do have
Speaker 1: some some high school kids and some college kids in
Speaker 1: that just falling in love with the. Game obviously you're IN,
Speaker 1: unlv and like you, said the world was right, there
Speaker 1: but you really loved the game and talked about being
Speaker 1: in the gym all the. Time how important was.
Speaker 5: That aspect for?
Speaker 8: You it was very.
Speaker 12: Important THAT'S i, mean you know how when you love the.
Speaker 12: Game these youngsters know how it. Is when you love,
Speaker 12: it you don't never want to be away from. It
Speaker 12: AND i saw an opportunity to get my moms no
Speaker 12: matter what we was. In you, know we all got that,
Speaker 12: story you know how that. IS i was that dude
Speaker 12: so and and anybody again when you put up them two,
Speaker 12: dude that was wilder. Up there was two. Squares it
Speaker 12: was two. Squares if it wasn't a female or gym
Speaker 12: or now you, know you only want to get something neat,
Speaker 12: man that's all we. Did so IF i IF i
Speaker 12: had a coach that was like, this that was that
Speaker 12: was that saw the vision and it was gonna help
Speaker 12: me with.
Speaker 5: It, man you KNOW i took.
Speaker 1: It so when do you feel like you were on
Speaker 1: the map? Then and it was In college of The
Speaker 1: arizona's when you put yourself on the.
Speaker 20: Map even even even even WHEN i went To, arizona.
Speaker 1: You, KNOW i got.
Speaker 8: Fault you, know there's you, Know i'm on a team
Speaker 8: with four you know.
Speaker 1: What was your?
Speaker 8: Team we had A Jason GARDNER.
Speaker 5: I was at the.
Speaker 20: Two we Had Richard jefferson at the, Three Michael right
Speaker 20: at the, Four Warren woods at THE fivet And Pig.
Speaker 20: Woods ship my my my freshman. Year we had Little
Speaker 20: record who came in From. Iowa and then we had
Speaker 20: Uh lithuania kid who who holds a record you know
Speaker 20: for Like duncan twelve six or thirteen feet you. Know
Speaker 20: so we had so much, talent SO i was getting red.
Speaker 20: Short we had a juco player co runner for the,
Speaker 20: Year Lamon, fraser you.
Speaker 8: Know so we had some boys coming. In SO i
Speaker 8: was the young, buck you, know like they're gonna red
Speaker 8: shirt me and COOL i can, learn and my asshole
Speaker 8: ism kicked.
Speaker 14: In, asshold, yeah my asshole doesn't kicked.
Speaker 5: In SO i was, like, Man i'm about to go
Speaker 5: for the.
Speaker 20: Position bro because, coach you, know coach will be like all,
Speaker 20: right so, listen the four and a five is set,
Speaker 20: one two, three fight for, it.
Speaker 8: Like, oh SHIP i started training fun that school, SHIP.
Speaker 1: I ain't what you was supposed to go, there, right that's.
Speaker 6: What you was on, too, Right, YEAH i WISH i
Speaker 6: could have got An annoucal. CHAMPIONSHIP i ended up losing
Speaker 6: by not getting. In they wanted theysed to my fresh. Year,
Speaker 6: okay my baby fresh, yea, yep that's. CHAMPIONSHIP i missed
Speaker 6: it not taking the, test showing up late.
Speaker 5: Hungover SO i.
Speaker 20: DIDN'T i JUST i just started, training watching the habits
Speaker 20: of you, know Like Ruben. Douglas and then like people,
Speaker 20: said Like Ruben, douglas we played.
Speaker 8: Against each other the high. SCHOOL i was, faster he was, stronger.
Speaker 20: Bigger BUT i WAS i was more, athletic and he
Speaker 20: just didn't know my skill LIKE i improved since high.
Speaker 20: School so when coach threw that ball, UP i was
Speaker 20: a whole nother. Demon so WHEN i stole a, position
Speaker 20: he was, Like i'm, Transferring and then Lou record, said
Speaker 20: Should i'm?
Speaker 8: Transferring? Oh should don't have no?
Speaker 20: Competition, YEAH i have no competition now LIKE i don't
Speaker 20: have NO i don't have to fight with. Anybody so
Speaker 20: now you, know NOW i have no. Worries NOW i
Speaker 20: can just play a free. Game and then once that
Speaker 20: free game came, in and you, Know i'm leading the
Speaker 20: team scoring, now AND i was like Should i'm four years,
Speaker 20: fast AND i THOUGHT i was going.
Speaker 5: To be who's recruiting you Besides? Arizona, uh North?
Speaker 8: RIDGE i was. LOW i was North it was North.
Speaker 20: RIDGE i was being recruited by North. Ridge and the
Speaker 20: guy from North ridge got a job At Kansas. State
Speaker 20: So Kansas state came, in you, know, like, yeah we're
Speaker 20: gonna give you a thousand thousand minutes as a. Freshman i'm,
Speaker 20: like ship, WHATEVER i just you, know just let me
Speaker 20: do WHAT i. Do and then The Paul paul came in.
Speaker 1: Squad then right before they had still que.
Speaker 8: And, yeah SO i was gonna go be the point guard.
Speaker 1: There Look michael McPherson. Too and Then Pat.
Speaker 20: Kennedy Pat kennedy the, coach and my dad had ties
Speaker 20: from you, Know, florida so they, was you, know working
Speaker 20: their little.
Speaker 8: Deal so SO i was gonna go.
Speaker 20: There so right BEFORE i was gonna, go, Uh Pat
Speaker 20: kennedy's mother, died so they had to cancel the. Trip
Speaker 20: and Then ludelsen came in and, SAID i mean he
Speaker 20: came into the house and, said, Listen i've never seen
Speaker 20: you play UNTIL i got on the. Plane you're you
Speaker 20: have the kind of STYLE i, like if you want to,
Speaker 20: come you, know it's whoever you know the sides first between, You.
Speaker 8: Kevin gaines And Jimmy.
Speaker 5: Hayward AND i was, like.
Speaker 20: Okay SO i went to go take a trip and
Speaker 20: it had like some little scrimmage There Michael dickerson, them
Speaker 20: AND i was. BAWLING i was, like, oh, Yeah i'm coming.
Speaker 20: Here i'm coming. Here you didn't get the pancakes from Miss.
Speaker 20: OLSEN i don't know she.
Speaker 6: Madcakes, yeah come, on don't tell me experience.
Speaker 1: That the trip in a.
Speaker 20: Pancake what kind of bond did you build With? Luke
Speaker 20: what's the Funny IS i Hope i'm a coach like
Speaker 20: him because you gotta, Remember I'm i'm, immature LIKE i
Speaker 20: Was dennis the, Minutes Like i'm, like there was no
Speaker 20: WAY i should have Been first of, ALL i should
Speaker 20: have been kicked out.
Speaker 1: The school or.
Speaker 20: Bench and he never he never punished me on that basketball,
Speaker 20: court like he never let some out WHAT i was
Speaker 20: doing outside affect my playing. Time, no the only way
Speaker 20: that you, know like IF i was gonna get bench
Speaker 20: is because SOMETHING i didn't, practice like IF i didn't
Speaker 20: go to.
Speaker 5: Class he's, like all, right you don't want to go to?
Speaker 20: Class five miles five, miles six am under thirty, minutes all,
Speaker 20: right you know WHAT i? Mean you, know so you
Speaker 20: know that's how you know that's BUT i looked at
Speaker 20: us Like i'm just getting in. Shape but he never he,
Speaker 20: never he, never like he never punished me for WHAT
Speaker 20: i was, Doing like he just you, Know AND i
Speaker 20: gotta respect that, because for the most, part in any other, coach,
Speaker 20: YES i would have been deep sitting on the, bench
Speaker 20: and he was, like you're gonna have to you, know
Speaker 20: if you don't want to go to, class you're gonna
Speaker 20: have to deal with that.
Speaker 8: SUIT i ain't got nothing to do with.
Speaker 5: Me you're gonna have to deal with that.
Speaker 8: Suit you got an old point.
Speaker 5: Two you're gonna have to deal with.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 2: No, no.
Speaker 1: It was crazy two thousand and. One you guys go
Speaker 1: to the N C DOUBLE A final and lose a
Speaker 1: heartbreak of The duke talked to us about that, game
Speaker 1: Because i've heard you AND rj go back and forth
Speaker 1: on this.
Speaker 8: Game, man he Let dunleavy man kick his ass up
Speaker 8: and down the. Court, man it's Dune, leavy.
Speaker 5: MAN i believe. IT i, BELIEVE i.
Speaker 8: Believe what was so, funny it's Dune.
Speaker 5: Leavy LIKE i had a.
Speaker 8: COLD i had a Cold au roommates. Group it was,
Speaker 8: me Dun levy And Luke. Ritt now that was my
Speaker 8: that was my age.
Speaker 1: At Luke ritt a.
Speaker 5: Game that's WHAT i.
Speaker 20: Said that was my little like when we when we
Speaker 20: go to like the pump cansus, something that was that
Speaker 20: was my little that was my.
Speaker 5: Trio so.
Speaker 31: When you when you grew up with dun levy's your your,
Speaker 31: teammate and then you playing in The western name and
Speaker 31: then you come ON, rj it's you, know first of,
Speaker 31: all he's been playing bad this whole.
Speaker 8: Tournament he should have got.
Speaker 20: Happiness on the other, side the super, athlete the man
Speaker 20: hit five threes in the game night, off you know
Speaker 20: WHAT i, Mean, like come, on, Man.
Speaker 8: SO i blame that on.
Speaker 20: HIM i, MEAN i was. LISTENING i was four for.
Speaker 20: Seventeen But i'm not going to play. Myself i'm not
Speaker 20: gonna you, know it's me Against duke at this. Point,
Speaker 20: becall you're just happy to be.
Speaker 1: Here, Yeah.
Speaker 8: But that's that's how we talk to each.
Speaker 20: Other, yeah come, on, man ain't help me. Out it was, like, yo,
Speaker 20: bro you're four for four for twelve right, NOW i
Speaker 20: Got i'm going against five, players expects me against?
Speaker 5: Them who they have to?
Speaker 1: Do who's on the due?
Speaker 5: TEAM a bunch of sorry Players Duke yeah sorry as
Speaker 5: a bunch of, dukeies you, KNOW a bunch of.
Speaker 20: Snobs they had a young young, boozer they had j Will, Duhan.
Speaker 5: Shane, battier a whole bunch of proper. Talking, mom that's
Speaker 5: a bunch of, squares all much improper.
Speaker 1: Talking about outside of that, game how Will how good
Speaker 1: Was Jason williams before he got in that motorcycle? Accident to?
Speaker 20: You, SEE i ask You i'm biased because our first
Speaker 20: introduction was the, turn you know WHAT i? Mean so
Speaker 20: the finals was so from there it was basically fuck him,
Speaker 20: right and then it became a double fuck him when
Speaker 20: he's coming into the. Draft, so you, KNOW i get
Speaker 20: the starting spot after my during my rookie, season So
Speaker 20: i'm coming into my sophomore year as the. Starter, well
Speaker 20: rumor hits that you, know if they get the number
Speaker 20: two picking the, draft they're going After Jason.
Speaker 5: Williams So i'm sitting here, like.
Speaker 1: Wait hold, on, wait this Is golden Stated.
Speaker 20: State So i'm sitting, there you, know with with you,
Speaker 20: know with the oldest smith who was you, know the
Speaker 20: now he was the player of.
Speaker 8: Development So i'm, like wait a.
Speaker 20: Minute if they drave, him he still got to beat, me,
Speaker 20: Right and it was, like he's gonna be the number
Speaker 20: two pick in the. Draft you think they're going to
Speaker 20: start a second rounder over the number two. PICK i, said,
Speaker 20: yeah he gonna have to beat it's my. Position he's
Speaker 20: had to he has to beat. Me he, said he
Speaker 20: don't have to do. NOTHING i, said, oh oh that's
Speaker 20: how You, oh that's how.
Speaker 5: You want to.
Speaker 20: Play So i'm lifting working on my, line like, YEAH
Speaker 20: i can't. WAIT i can't wait TILL i can't wait.
Speaker 20: DRAFT i hope y' all. DRAFTED i hope we get
Speaker 20: the number two. Pick we end up getting the number three.
Speaker 20: Pick so uh so we end up getting Done. Levy
Speaker 20: but when we played the, bulls ah over, nah get him,
Speaker 20: quick quick double. Double he asked the ta is he
Speaker 20: mad at?
Speaker 5: Me, Yes i'm.
Speaker 20: MAD i don't like, you but yeah he, was you
Speaker 20: know it was he wasn't explosive as D rose was
Speaker 20: but it was that type of that type of, shiftiness
Speaker 20: you know WHAT i, mean quick crossover and when he.
Speaker 5: Hit the, hole he hit the whole.
Speaker 8: Dunk and that was the sneaky part of it because
Speaker 8: he didn't look like he.
Speaker 1: Didn't guess, you he had a nice jumper. TIME i
Speaker 1: really liked. HIM i was JUST i. WAS i was
Speaker 1: sad that you, know obviously through that accident we didn't
Speaker 1: get a chance to see. Him but that's, funny your little,
Speaker 1: person it was a.
Speaker 20: Person it was so funny that he had no idea
Speaker 20: THAT i THAT i THAT i envied him because of,
Speaker 20: that because they were fighting for that number two.
Speaker 1: Spot college, freshman you get a chance to start and
Speaker 1: win a national. Championship we were talking about before we got.
Speaker 1: STARTED i, mean obviously the league is the, ultimate going the,
Speaker 1: prize BUT i had a blast in. College uh you
Speaker 1: talk to us about where'd you go to college?
Speaker 5: At?
Speaker 1: Uh you the dr backyard. University the streets are. Hard
Speaker 1: not as a freshman starting getting a chance to win
Speaker 1: a national championship At. Villanova talked to us about that.
Speaker 25: Experience it was that you it was Fun AND i
Speaker 25: say it was fun because it was it was up
Speaker 25: ups and. Downs like as a, Freshman, NAH i was
Speaker 25: An All american and so Like i'm, thinking Like i'm
Speaker 25: gonna go Like i'm gonna do my, thing and LIKE i,
Speaker 25: know obviously WHEN i got To, villanova it was like
Speaker 25: it was team. Oriented those dudes. Were he had a
Speaker 25: bunch of older. Dudes BUT i KNEW i had a
Speaker 25: chance to come in and, compete to start and. Everything
Speaker 25: So Coach wried didn't give me. ANYTHING i KNEW i
Speaker 25: was gonna have to compete for. Everything but coach writes
Speaker 25: another one who like everything was, mental like your mental approaches,
Speaker 25: everything and so like he would come into practice some
Speaker 25: days and try and break you and see where you.
Speaker 25: Were and that was his, goal to see where we
Speaker 25: were as a. Team and with, ME i JUST i
Speaker 25: could not let that happen in my three. YEARS i was,
Speaker 25: like this man would never be able.
Speaker 1: To do that do. That but.
Speaker 25: And we, fought, man we fought like. Hell we had
Speaker 25: like little things going on throughout the. Season but the
Speaker 25: one THING i realized that our practices were way harder
Speaker 25: than our. Games we're way. Harder so we got the game.
Speaker 25: Time we're, thinking these these dudes aren't playing as hard
Speaker 25: AS i was, like they may be more, talented but
Speaker 25: they're not going to outdog.
Speaker 5: Us so that's HOW i.
Speaker 25: Mean we obviously had different terminology and stuff like, that
Speaker 25: but that was basically what we. Did and So Coach
Speaker 25: wright had that mentality for, us and it was it
Speaker 25: was fun because we just knew the other dudes weren't
Speaker 25: going to just do the little things that we were gonna.
Speaker 25: Do so if we made, shots we were. Winning but
Speaker 25: if things weren't going well for. Us but it's kind
Speaker 25: of kind of tough en, up and he implemented implemented
Speaker 25: that into our minds and.
Speaker 5: Obviously every way.
Speaker 10: Is ironic, School LIKE i know he's, married but he's
Speaker 10: the ladies.
Speaker 22: Man.
Speaker 6: Like the ladies love him like you know who Love
Speaker 6: coach right ellen them that she Bro she called me
Speaker 6: and asked, me DO i know him? Really i'm, like,
Speaker 6: NAH i don't. KNOW i was just looking at a
Speaker 6: picture of, Him, like but she's. Not but she's not
Speaker 6: the first. One i've had other older ladies from When
Speaker 6: i'm working somewhere talk about.
Speaker 5: Him so like you must be man or. SOMETHING.
Speaker 25: Gqjq everyone everyone sees you nothing like. This everyone sees
Speaker 25: That Jay wright when he walks into practice sometimes and he's,
Speaker 25: like hair's a little messed, up and he got that
Speaker 25: scowl on his. Face his first name Is, Gerald gerald jailed,
Speaker 25: Right so he was all, right everyone else.
Speaker 5: Sees jay, right but we See gerald.
Speaker 8: Right you know you don't want to see cheryld.
Speaker 1: Right jerald's on some. Ship how did you learn how
Speaker 1: to play off two feet? With as A villanova that
Speaker 1: come earlier very skilled off two?
Speaker 5: FEET i learned a.
Speaker 25: LITTLE i learned it with obviously work with my, dad
Speaker 25: BUT i think At villanova it was like, polished polished
Speaker 25: it because everyone did. It it was something we did
Speaker 25: every single, day like, kids you. Not that's how we started,
Speaker 25: Practice that's how we ended practice like. That we started
Speaker 25: just doing our footwork. Stuff and So Coach wright was,
Speaker 25: LIKE i want you guys to have this in your,
Speaker 25: repertoire knowing that you guys can play the other, way
Speaker 25: but you will always have this style of.
Speaker 5: Basketball and then it. Works oh, yeah it.
Speaker 25: Works and then when we won that my freshman, year
Speaker 25: coach said his line with, Us he's, like now THAT
Speaker 25: i know this ship, works and it's going to be
Speaker 25: hell for you guys next.
Speaker 5: Year, yeah all, right so we really.
Speaker 25: Gotta but he really implemented that to us because we
Speaker 25: knew that sometimes people are going to be, athletic more
Speaker 25: athletic than we. Are but like so about how smart
Speaker 25: we are having in our footwork and all.
Speaker 5: Themself so he, yeah he every.
Speaker 25: Day how many prosals on that team for twenty, sixteen yea,
Speaker 25: Me Michael Ryan. Archidiac you Know Josh, hart our big,
Speaker 25: Man Daniel cheffy played in the league for a little.
Speaker 25: Bit who red shirted that year Is Dante Stephen, James
Speaker 25: Eric pascal red shirt that year because he.
Speaker 8: Transferred so.
Speaker 1: Six, Seven, yeah that's you guys get a chance to
Speaker 1: win another one twenty, eighteen so two time champ Also
Speaker 1: National player of The. Year you knew it was time
Speaker 1: to go after that.
Speaker 5: Change, YEAH i had no. Choice, also that's part about.
Speaker 5: It my mom like.
Speaker 1: THIS i graduated that year, too SO i.
Speaker 5: FINISHED i finished in three, years finishing, three finishing. Out but,
Speaker 5: yeah it was that was the.
Speaker 25: Plan LIKE i be thought about it my Sophomore but
Speaker 25: that's that's.
Speaker 1: Mom that's, work. MAN i love.
Speaker 25: THAT i can't give That dad, Said dad wanted me
Speaker 25: to do, it But mom was, like, nah on you make.
Speaker 5: Sure you did.
Speaker 6: It, YEAH i wonder how hard is that to graduate three? Years,
Speaker 6: yeah it took me four AND i still didn't forty
Speaker 6: five AND i even thought about. IT UV A university Of.
Speaker 6: Virginia you left. There you was three Time All, american
Speaker 6: finished At virginia's all time leading score and all time leading, assists.
Speaker 32: But both of those haven't broken since. Then how did
Speaker 32: it feel going TO? Uva and was it any other
Speaker 32: options Besides.
Speaker 5: YEAH i MEAN i was.
Speaker 18: RECRUITED i.
Speaker 33: WAS i was actually the number one high school player
Speaker 33: in the. COUNTRY i MEAN i don't EVEN i don't
Speaker 33: know how you do, that but they chose. ME i
Speaker 33: never ACTUALLY i went on maybe ONE aau circuit like.
Speaker 33: ONE i actually put participated in the very first.
Speaker 5: One SO.
Speaker 33: I WAS i was the high school player of the.
Speaker 33: Year SO i, mean every every school came after, me
Speaker 33: like like hundreds of. THEM i chose TO i chose
Speaker 33: to go To virginia for.
Speaker 8: For two.
Speaker 33: Reasons and one of, them, OBVIOUSLY i didn't want to
Speaker 33: go to a school that had already won.
Speaker 21: A national championship BECAUSE i wanted to be a part
Speaker 21: of that.
Speaker 33: Legacy and then the other thing WAS i, mean it's
Speaker 33: the strangest thing that attracts. Us BUT i didn't want
Speaker 33: to go to a school that had like traditional, dorms
Speaker 33: like you, know like you, go you got a roommate
Speaker 33: and then you got to take your bucket down the
Speaker 33: hall and go shower and like like that WAS i,
Speaker 33: MEAN i lived in the, Project SO i WANTED i
Speaker 33: wanted college to be a step, up, right, RIGHT i
Speaker 33: MEAN i had to share a room with my, sister
Speaker 33: and that's as far AS i wanted to go share
Speaker 33: room with. Someone and Then virginia had these dorms where
Speaker 33: there were four. Rooms you share the room with the,
Speaker 33: roommate and then you had you had two, showers and
Speaker 33: he had two, stalls and then you had like a common.
Speaker 21: Area so it was it was almost like an.
Speaker 33: Apartment and then the other schools THAT i the other
Speaker 33: school THAT i was very serious about Was Penn, state.
Speaker 5: And they had the old the all old school, dorms
Speaker 5: AND i.
Speaker 26: Really couldn't do.
Speaker 4: It so the non.
Speaker 5: Negotiable was the.
Speaker 18: Dorms SO i went TO i went To.
Speaker 1: Virginia that's a Crazy i've heard a lot of reasons
Speaker 1: why people chick. Schools i've never heard such like that
Speaker 1: with us. GOOD i feel you BECAUSE i was AT.
Speaker 1: Ucla they had a set up nice there AND i
Speaker 1: couldn't imagine like some schools they had like but in
Speaker 1: the summer school one TIME i had the situation where
Speaker 1: you had a roommate and you had to walk down
Speaker 1: the hall to. Shop like, HELL i left summer. SCHOOL
Speaker 1: i shouldn't do.
Speaker 6: It you ended up winning a national championship in twenty
Speaker 6: seventeen With South. Carolina do you feel like that made
Speaker 6: up of you not winning one while you was playing
Speaker 6: from you being so good AND i bringing one back
Speaker 6: to THE.
Speaker 33: Uva, yeah it actually did because it Took it took
Speaker 33: almost like twenty seven years and went one AND i
Speaker 33: had to get into coaching to do.
Speaker 34: That but it was it was so.
Speaker 5: Special it was so special that when we, WON i
Speaker 5: made sure that.
Speaker 33: Every like former player of mine BECAUSE i coached that
Speaker 33: temple And i'm coaching At South. Carolina when we, won
Speaker 33: every every player prior to twenty, SEVENTEEN i got them a,
Speaker 33: miniature a miniature national championship. TROPHY i got all of
Speaker 33: My virginia teammates miniature national championship, trophies all all of
Speaker 33: the people that coach with me At temple In South.
Speaker 5: CAROLINA i got the miniature national.
Speaker 33: Championship trophies because this was a dream far beyond twenty,
Speaker 33: seventeen AND i HAD i had teammates AND i had
Speaker 33: former players that believed in that dream.
Speaker 11: That we didn't get it.
Speaker 33: Done SO i WANTED i didn't want them to miss
Speaker 33: out on the opportunity of feeling. That and then on
Speaker 33: the back of, IT i put their name AND i just,
Speaker 33: said because of, you simply.
Speaker 1: That's really you don't hear stuff like that too. Often
Speaker 1: that's what's.
Speaker 8: UP i knew she was a real.
Speaker 5: ONE i told you.
Speaker 1: THAT i knew. That so tell me, this what was
Speaker 1: the feeling when you went back for Your jersey.
Speaker 5: RETIREMENT i don't even remember.
Speaker 33: THAT i really don't remember, that like LIKE i, mean really,
Speaker 33: HONESTLY i know that that. STUFF i mean there it's,
Speaker 33: nice BUT i mean it's, nice BUT i MEAN i
Speaker 33: Wanted hall Of. Fame ask me About hall Of, fame,
Speaker 33: like ask me About hall of like that. Is And
Speaker 33: i'm not trying to take ANY i, Mean i'm, grateful,
Speaker 33: grateful but there are just things that are like near and,
Speaker 33: dear like You're i'm in The hall Of fame with
Speaker 33: the greatest of the.
Speaker 5: Great, yeah one of the.
Speaker 1: Best, yeah we'll talk about. It what's it, like what's
Speaker 1: it like being in The hall Of.
Speaker 33: Fame IT'S i mean it's, Cool LIKE i don't always
Speaker 33: go back to the, ceremonies but WHEN i do go,
Speaker 33: LIKE i feel, proud LIKE i feel LIKE i. Belong
Speaker 33: AND i, STARTED i started an autograph collection SO i.
Speaker 33: CAN i can get all the greats WHEN i go.
Speaker 33: There so it's it's pretty, cool like LIKE i, MEAN
Speaker 33: i got. IT i got a pretty extensive collection of all.
Speaker 1: Favors your biggest basketball influence growing, up whether it be
Speaker 1: male or, female biggest basketball?
Speaker 23: Influence mmmm.
Speaker 35: SEE i really didn't like basketball growing.
Speaker 2: Up.
Speaker 1: REALLY i didn't like to sweat WHAT i.
Speaker 8: Hate AND i still like a girly. Girl what AM? I,
Speaker 8: YES i, said, yes, yes.
Speaker 5: Yes still because she's still. BASKETBALL i can.
Speaker 35: TELL i hated basketball with a, passion like everything with.
Speaker 35: IT i hated the color of the. BASKETBALL i hated.
Speaker 1: EVERYTHING i was, like this is it's.
Speaker 35: DISGUSTING i love the guys that played, it you, know
Speaker 35: LIKE i was just, like oh, wait they're kind of,
Speaker 35: cute but playing it absolutely. Not but my father obviously
Speaker 35: played and he was, like you about to do something
Speaker 35: LIKE i. Didn't it was kind of like y'all didn't
Speaker 35: birth you for you just sit. Here SO i was,
Speaker 35: like all, right let me try. It so after WHEN
Speaker 35: i started getting, INVOLVED i LOVE i was a huge
Speaker 35: Blake griffin.
Speaker 5: FAN i.
Speaker 8: LOVED i just don't know what it.
Speaker 1: WAS i was a big Blake griffin.
Speaker 35: FAN i guess the fancy part of. It Obviously Kobe
Speaker 35: lebron like all of. Them and THEN i Met Don
Speaker 35: staley and Obviously candice was my growing up And Lisa,
Speaker 35: leslie even THOUGH i didn't get a chance to See lisa.
Speaker 35: Play but THEN i Met don and she influenced my
Speaker 35: whole career and it was like on something THAT i was, like,
Speaker 35: no this woman has really changed my. Life and that
Speaker 35: right there was all the, inspiration all the INFLUENCE i
Speaker 35: need to be me and, yeah she killed.
Speaker 5: It, Don, yeah.
Speaker 14: Yeh was there ever doubt in your mind that you
Speaker 14: were you were not going To South?
Speaker 8: Carolina?
Speaker 10: Yes, yes what else school you thinking about pulling up?
Speaker 8: TO i really wanted to go to The university Of Chapel.
Speaker 1: Hill, oh hold, up hold, up hold, on hold, On
Speaker 1: because the boys were. Cute, okay, okay wasn't even.
Speaker 10: Guy hell, oh y'all THOUGHT i was talking about?
Speaker 35: Basketball, absolutely, YEAH i was about to sign that dotted
Speaker 35: line on my official visits BECAUSE i was, like, oh,
Speaker 35: yeah see me.
Speaker 1: Here what who was not to say that that was
Speaker 1: who you was crushing? On but who?
Speaker 5: Was?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 1: What what kind of team was there at that?
Speaker 35: TIME i have no, idea, okay BUT i just knew
Speaker 35: WHEN i got to that, CAMPUS i was, Like i'm
Speaker 35: just right up my. Alley but, yeah that was the only.
Speaker 35: Time BUT i remember WHEN i had to call my,
Speaker 35: coaches call the coaches to SAY i wasn't. Coming my
Speaker 35: mom was, like, well if you don't go want to
Speaker 35: go To South, carolina you're gonna have to Call Dawn,
Speaker 35: staley a black woman, yourself and tell her that you're
Speaker 35: not wanting to be coached by. Her AND i was, like,
Speaker 35: Whoa when you put it like, that this basketball there
Speaker 35: might be some. Good so, Yeah South carolina was my strong,
Speaker 35: second And i'm so.
Speaker 6: Glad THAT i chose best. Choice you were the number
Speaker 6: one in the. Nation Don staley moved you to the
Speaker 6: bench after your first. Game she was pissed, off or
Speaker 6: did you deserve.
Speaker 8: IT i deserved. IT i know what she was doing.
Speaker 35: Too, YEAH i stuck it up my first, time like
Speaker 35: my first collegiate. Game it was so, bad like it was.
Speaker 35: Horrific SO i was, Like, okay maybe the bench is for.
Speaker 35: Me let me try, this give it a, try and then,
Speaker 35: yeah the rest of the rest is history of that.
Speaker 8: Point do you think that she sent you to the
Speaker 8: bench to wake you up?
Speaker 35: Mentally she really didn't start getting to me mentally until
Speaker 35: like sophomore junior. Years she started from mental. Games but
Speaker 35: LIKE i think she knew like that was just gonna
Speaker 35: be the.
Speaker 8: Best fit for.
Speaker 34: Me LIKE i needed time to see, that see the, Game.
Speaker 35: LIKE i couldn't just throw My she couldn't throw me
Speaker 35: out there because the game was too.
Speaker 8: Quick.
Speaker 35: Problem, YEAH i would have never probably been the same
Speaker 35: player if she would have just let me be out.
Speaker 35: There so, YEAH i think she just kind of pulled
Speaker 35: me because she was, like, nah you just need to
Speaker 35: see it and then you can kill them now.
Speaker 1: Right look at. You what was it like when you
Speaker 1: first met? Her, ooh it was just like, coach they keep,
Speaker 1: it keeps it.
Speaker 35: Real so it's just like honesty and like she just
Speaker 35: really Feels she felt like my second mother then and
Speaker 35: now she still feels like my second mom. Now so
Speaker 35: like she was in gyms WHEN i wouldn't have been
Speaker 35: playing BECAUSE i was terrible at, basketball but she was.
Speaker 8: There like the loyalty she.
Speaker 35: SHOWED i was, like, nah LIKE i gotta you got something,
Speaker 35: else like want TO i want to? Grow, YEAH i
Speaker 35: need to, grow and that you're the best.
Speaker 6: Basketball we know she's a big part of your career
Speaker 6: and your, success but what does she teach you about?
Speaker 35: Life be your pro and be disciplined in everything that you,
Speaker 35: do like don't take anything, lightly don't take anything, Off
Speaker 35: like always be a pro the way you carry yourself
Speaker 35: because you never know who's. Looking but just being in
Speaker 35: spaces that you feel, safe but never lose. YOURSELF i
Speaker 35: think that was the biggest thing with.
Speaker 10: Her she let me be.
Speaker 35: Me Like it'll be days WHERE i would come into
Speaker 35: her office crying because my boyfriend takes me back and she's, like,
Speaker 35: like take it, off like it's a. Lot so she
Speaker 35: just allowed me to be. Human AND i think you
Speaker 35: see that also in her when she's in the, community
Speaker 35: when she's talking and she's tweeting with, fans like you
Speaker 35: never lose sight of just getting into the celebrity, vibe
Speaker 35: but always stay humble and stay within.
Speaker 8: Yourself so she always taught.
Speaker 6: Us we spoke about it a little, bit but let's
Speaker 6: touch on it and on its. Own how many people
Speaker 6: seven years, old how many people get this and you
Speaker 6: have your own? Statue, yeah that just take us through that.
Speaker 1: Day you go buy and clean it. Off, Ever, yeah Dust.
Speaker 35: On it was in a crazy experience because they told
Speaker 35: me at, graduation BUT i thought it was a.
Speaker 8: Joke LIKE i was on my phone during, graduation all
Speaker 8: these cameras pulled up AND i was, like what are
Speaker 8: you go going?
Speaker 35: On and so that's when the president of the school was, like,
Speaker 35: yeah we want to give agent. Statue SO i thought
Speaker 35: it was a. Joke i'm starting to laugh like, whatever
Speaker 35: like y'all not because people always, say, oh they need a.
Speaker 23: Statue So i'm.
Speaker 35: Chilling and then that's when it really hit. Me the
Speaker 35: lady that sculpt sculpted. Me she Did Michael jordan's as,
Speaker 35: well and.
Speaker 5: SO i had to go to.
Speaker 1: All, right, yeah and so they came and.
Speaker 35: Right when she she name dropped when she came to
Speaker 35: my face and like not my. Face she came To
Speaker 35: chicago and she literally scaled my whole, face like my,
Speaker 35: teeth LIKE i had like all these things around my.
Speaker 10: Face she's, like, YEAH i had to do this FOR.
Speaker 35: Mj AND i was, like, girl you can't just say,
Speaker 35: that like's nothing, Right, like, No you're in good. Hands
Speaker 35: and THEN i went AND i saw. IT i was,
Speaker 35: like oh my, god my legs are, Nice LIKE i like,
Speaker 35: this this is.
Speaker 16: Cute so.
Speaker 35: Yeah then FINALLY i watch a lot of scary, movies
Speaker 35: SO i was, LIKE i hope nobody trying to take
Speaker 35: me out When i'm up here trying to say my.
Speaker 35: SPEECH i got nervous, there but, no AND i saw.
Speaker 35: It it was truly amazing and like you, know like you,
Speaker 35: said Like i'm young and to have something like that
Speaker 35: to be.
Speaker 10: Immortalized it's.
Speaker 16: Crazy when you hear the Name Dane, smith what comes to.
Speaker 5: Mind conscious. Brother he was a conscious. Man you.
Speaker 17: Know he really used his platform too to enroll you
Speaker 17: into what was possible in your. Life he developed good,
Speaker 17: citizens and you see that not With michael And sam
Speaker 17: AND i And. Vince you see it with all his
Speaker 17: lettermen who have done. Well he took us to play
Speaker 17: a game With North Carolina State. Prison we went in
Speaker 17: there and this was in eighty and you, KNOW.
Speaker 5: I wasn't.
Speaker 17: COMFORTABLE i, mean they were looking at us in different
Speaker 17: ways than.
Speaker 5: Basketball but he.
Speaker 1: Was he.
Speaker 17: Was he's that kind of, guy you, know he's it
Speaker 17: didn't matter if you Were Michael jordan Or michael The Tower.
Speaker 17: Boy so he used his platform very well to kind
Speaker 17: of prep you for for life and keep you.
Speaker 16: Humble did he make you feel not only, wanted but
Speaker 16: like family and your recruiting.
Speaker 17: Process he's very, honest so you, know and a lot
Speaker 17: of people don't believe it's WHEN i tell, him but
Speaker 17: he was strictly by the. BOOK i mean you can ASK.
Speaker 17: Mj sam. Anybody there was no you, know money or anything.
Speaker 17: Involved but he'd come in and tell your. Parents he
Speaker 17: got to know your parents really. Well he promised you three.
Speaker 17: Things she's, LIKE i promise you son and. Graduated if
Speaker 17: he stayed four, years promise you that you, know.
Speaker 5: He'll go to.
Speaker 17: Class and if he's a, freshman we require you to
Speaker 17: go to the church your first. Semester and my mom
Speaker 17: was sitting over, there AND i, KNOW i know when
Speaker 17: she heard, that she was, like, damn that's where he's.
Speaker 17: Going but he was really honest AND i had always
Speaker 17: loved him since he Bought Charlie scott was the first
Speaker 17: BLACK acc player to come to THE, acc And Coach smith.
Speaker 5: Took a lot of.
Speaker 17: Heat they tried to fire, Him they hung him in
Speaker 17: F g after a, game but he used to take
Speaker 17: stands like. That Took Charlie scott the church with, him
Speaker 17: took him to restaurants in sixty seven.
Speaker 5: Where blacks weren't still. Allowed SO i knew about him.
Speaker 17: Early AND i got to go to basketball camp W
Speaker 17: i fell in love with guys Like Phil, Ford Walter,
Speaker 17: davis guys like, that you. Know so you, Know mitch
Speaker 17: Cup check was, there SO i. WAS i was kind
Speaker 17: of tied, in locked in from like fifteen years.
Speaker 6: Old is it true that he left EVERY unc players
Speaker 6: money for a stake diner when he passed two hundred?
Speaker 17: Dollars, yeah every letterman that played for, Him AND i
Speaker 17: think he was like sticking it to THE.
Speaker 5: Ncaa, YEAH i take care of my.
Speaker 17: Player, yeah find Out i'm gonna do, something you're not
Speaker 17: gonna be to do anything about.
Speaker 5: It but, uh and then you know he's the write personal.
Speaker 17: Notes he'd have his secretary type him up and then
Speaker 17: at the bottom it would always be ps and he
Speaker 17: would write it a few.
Speaker 5: Lines so he had he had special special touches.
Speaker 17: Like that and a memory like you wouldn't, believe which
Speaker 17: was which was sad to see him have dementia at
Speaker 17: the end of his.
Speaker 5: Life but, yeah he had a memory that it was like.
Speaker 15: Amazing everybody talk About MJ's championship shot nineteen eight three
Speaker 15: Against georgetown the, championship but you had twenty eight thirteenth
Speaker 15: or seventeen from the.
Speaker 5: Field why don't talk about? That it was on your.
Speaker 5: Shoulders but what's your take on?
Speaker 17: That, well you, Did Joe. John you, know if you
Speaker 17: watch the The Michael jordan, documentary it was A chicago
Speaker 17: not the hair. MOVIE i had a statement With Michael.
Speaker 17: Kane uh To, CAROLINE i tell EVERYBODY i WAS i
Speaker 17: was better Than. Michael, yeah, yeah you know for about three.
Speaker 17: Weeks for about three, weeks, MAN i knew he had.
Speaker 5: It when you're an athlete and you guys are both.
Speaker 5: TOUGH i watched. YOU i watched your whole. Career you,
Speaker 5: know when.
Speaker 17: You're when you're tough and you're not going back down from,
Speaker 17: anybody and you're gonna take him. On but then when
Speaker 17: somebody comes along that this the fucking tougher than, you they're,
Speaker 17: like he was an. Assassin and he bullied. Me he
Speaker 17: because you, know he's he sought out the best and.
Speaker 17: Everything if you were the best backgamming player in the,
Speaker 17: dorm he wanted to. Know if you were the best card,
Speaker 17: player he wanted to find. Out and he took everything
Speaker 17: as if he was losing a game. Seven losing just
Speaker 17: WASN'T i didn't care what it. Was he'd break a
Speaker 17: table if he lost the Backgam and so he sought me,
Speaker 17: out and you, know we practiced two, hours two and
Speaker 17: a half. Hours you guys know how some college. Practice
Speaker 17: are you ready to get out of?
Speaker 5: There and he.
Speaker 17: Would i'd be walking off the court and he, pushed
Speaker 17: where you're, going, young young, Fella that's what he called.
Speaker 16: Me so you were junior when he was juniors freshman.
Speaker 17: Year and so, yeah you, know he wanted to know
Speaker 17: and uh and throughout that, year even THOUGH i, was you, KNOW,
Speaker 17: mvp there were some games Against virginia in THE acc
Speaker 17: tournament Where michael kept us in the, game some big
Speaker 17: shots against you, Know Ralph sampson and those. Guys and
Speaker 17: then Against, georgetown we only had really five players Against
Speaker 17: Patrick ewan and my home boys sleeping floor and they were. Tough,
Speaker 17: uh But michael hit some big shots and kept us,
Speaker 17: in you. KNOW i and then at the end of the,
Speaker 17: Game Coach smith wanted me to be like a, decoy you.
Speaker 17: Know you know we had we had lost To indiana
Speaker 17: the year Before Isaiah thomas And Bobby, knight so getting
Speaker 17: back was was special AND i wanted to win or.
Speaker 5: Lose he'd been punching On. MIKE i, BEAT i.
Speaker 17: BEAT i would always Beat mike Doesn't, yeah you, know
Speaker 17: zeke zekes opinionated.
Speaker 5: Alone, man you had a good. Career it was.
Speaker 17: Awesome uh but, yeah, man uh you, know because you
Speaker 17: know they expected me, to you, know to take the.
Speaker 17: Shot you, know we run a high low against their.
Speaker 17: Zohn Patrick ewhan was a, beast AND i wanted to
Speaker 17: win and. Lose Because michael was a. FRESHMAN i didn't you,
Speaker 17: KNOW i didn't know if he had it in his,
Speaker 17: veins but, UH i was to flash in the. Mill
Speaker 17: Coach smith didn't call it up like, that but he
Speaker 17: knew it would work out that. Way we ran our offense,
Speaker 17: properly so we ran the high, Low sam went down.
Speaker 17: LOW i flashed in and three guys collapsed And michael
Speaker 17: was wide. Open now he he didn't draw it up like.
Speaker 17: That but at the end of the time, out you,
Speaker 17: know when you're walking back on the, Court michael was
Speaker 17: one of the last. Guys AND i Heard Coach smith
Speaker 17: kind of if you get, it if you get it clean,
Speaker 17: looking knock.
Speaker 1: At, it you, know you know.
Speaker 17: What so and, Yeah se, knew he Knew michael had
Speaker 17: it in his, veins and, uh, yeah that was the.
Speaker 17: Beginning we called Him, Mike Mike.
Speaker 16: Jordan kenny said he had no handle when he came
Speaker 16: to when he first got.
Speaker 5: There no, handles, no not, Well kenny had.
Speaker 16: Him.
Speaker 17: Uh AFTER i, Left kenny still mad at me BECAUSE
Speaker 17: i Recruited. Kenny he wanted to play with me AND
Speaker 17: i left after my junior.
Speaker 5: Year he And Brad.
Speaker 17: Dougherty but, yeah he he didn't have a lot of
Speaker 17: fundamentals when he. CAME i think he was a better
Speaker 17: baseball player coming out of high. School and you, know
Speaker 17: you've heard the story of him getting cut from his
Speaker 17: high school team, once so he had a lot to work.
Speaker 5: On he had raw, talent though raw. Talent but when
Speaker 5: he got the.
Speaker 17: Fundamentals down after his freshman, year and he worked at
Speaker 17: it because we had drill after drills after. Drills whatever
Speaker 17: his weakness, was he was willing to work on, it
Speaker 17: and SO i can't remember him having UH i, mean
Speaker 17: back then we ran four. Corners there wasn't a twenty
Speaker 17: four second shot clock his freshman, year so he was
Speaker 17: okay in, that BUT i don't remember him ever having
Speaker 17: the ball handling skills that our guard has to POSSESS
Speaker 17: u N C u N c summer. Runs, yeah how was?
Speaker 17: That Lawrence taylor played in some of those football players
Speaker 17: And wool And Jim la was. Nice, yeah Well Lorene
Speaker 17: taylor was a. Beast you get the, rebound you just
Speaker 17: move out of the. Way, yeah he was, coming he was,
Speaker 17: coming but, yeah to pick up games because a lot
Speaker 17: of guys From duke came.
Speaker 5: Over that's seven miles. Apart we.
Speaker 1: Go oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 17: And Wooland jim but they were like they were like iconic.
Speaker 17: Games you, know you guys probably faded some of the
Speaker 17: games over AT U c L. A you, know you
Speaker 17: don't want to you don't want to. Lose so, yeah
Speaker 17: there was two courts you always had when THE lt,
Speaker 17: came he was for a good. Player, uh but, yeah
Speaker 17: he was a.
Speaker 1: Beast you ended up Choosing North. Carolina who else was
Speaker 1: in the mix for Colleges for?
Speaker 7: COLLEGE i Was duke and at school From durham we
Speaker 7: don't say that. Name And virginia those are SCHOOLS i.
Speaker 7: Visited BUT i always want to play THE Acc at that,
Speaker 7: time that was when the conference was to, me THE
Speaker 7: acc had the best.
Speaker 8: CONFERENCE i wanted to play against the.
Speaker 7: Best BUT i Chose North carolina because WHEN i went
Speaker 7: to the practice AND i Saw Sam, Perkins Brad, Dougherty Michael,
Speaker 7: JORDANS i looked at it AND i, SAID i don't
Speaker 7: know IF.
Speaker 8: I could play. HERE i was a little.
Speaker 7: NERVOUS i had never seen seven footage like they. Had
Speaker 7: they had they Had tim McDonald Wall americans the.
Speaker 5: Team.
Speaker 8: MAN i was, like, DAMN i don't know.
Speaker 7: IF i could play. HERE i, SAID i KNOW i
Speaker 7: could go To duke and. PLAY i could play It
Speaker 7: virginia AND i, SAID i gotta go here BECAUSE i.
Speaker 7: CAN'T i can't be there thinking that they're better than.
Speaker 7: Me and SO i wound up Going at that, Time
Speaker 7: you know which is now if you don't do. IT
Speaker 7: i was only the fifth freshman that ever start at the. University,
Speaker 7: like but now if you don't start as a, freshman
Speaker 7: people like the. Transfer but that was unusual to start
Speaker 7: as a, freshman you, know for for, Me SO i
Speaker 7: Chose North carolina because of that.
Speaker 5: Reason.
Speaker 7: Uh and they had, everything like all the schools, like
Speaker 7: oh we got a good academic, school good social, life
Speaker 7: it was a good basketball like they had.
Speaker 8: Everything WHEN i was.
Speaker 5: It was like a.
Speaker 7: Movie you know how you see those college. Movies you
Speaker 7: see like the fraternities and the kids walking through. Campus
Speaker 7: it just it just felt like a. MOVIE i was,
Speaker 7: like this isn't. Real Like i'm coming From New. York
Speaker 7: it's like there's no. Campus Saint john's doesn't have a,
Speaker 7: campus like Really like SO i was like they were,
Speaker 7: like they use the city's your.
Speaker 8: Campus i'm, like, nah, Bro i'm. NOT i would have
Speaker 8: had to take the same bus THAT i took the high.
Speaker 5: School to take To Saint.
Speaker 8: JOHN'S i was, like, NAH i, Can't i'm not having
Speaker 8: a bus Pass.
Speaker 5: St.
Speaker 1: Johnson, YEAH i mean your freshman year team that to
Speaker 1: name a, Few Michael, Jordan Brad, Dougherty Sam, perkins, YOURSELF i,
Speaker 1: mean what were those, Practices.
Speaker 36: Like you know what the crazy part was, That, no
Speaker 36: that wasn't a question who was the best Playoff i'm
Speaker 36: gonna get.
Speaker 8: THAT i want to hear that one want the best.
Speaker 7: Player Sam perkins was the best player in my freshman,
Speaker 7: year like Because sam was a four Time All american
Speaker 7: that you know that wouldn't happen today anither like first
Speaker 7: team first team For sam was the best. Player michael
Speaker 7: was the most, dynamic but he didn't have a. Handle
Speaker 7: he couldn't handle the rock like in. College, no he
Speaker 7: couldn't handle the. Rock so like even even at Times
Speaker 7: i'd be, like you beat, me play pick up LIKE
Speaker 7: i Got mike BECAUSE i Know i'm, like get up under.
Speaker 8: You like you can't handle the, rock and uh what?
Speaker 5: Happened and then and then he's the only guy THAT
Speaker 5: i know that.
Speaker 7: His weaknesses that he had at the end of his
Speaker 7: career was a. Stress the only Person i've Ever lebron's
Speaker 7: not like, THAT, Kd, no, Nobody he's the only ONE i.
Speaker 7: Did his handle was crazy and his jump shot was.
Speaker 7: PURE i, said how do you miss a jump? Shot
Speaker 7: you got a perfect for? Him but we talked about.
Speaker 1: It AND i was, like this is not.
Speaker 7: Competitive we talked about competitive With, mike SO i used to.
Speaker 7: SAY i was, like it's, like, oh you think you could.
Speaker 7: Go it's like, yeah because your handles.
Speaker 8: WACK i used to say your handles, WHACK i could
Speaker 8: guard you and like blah blah. Blah so now we
Speaker 8: we're doing.
Speaker 6: That we.
Speaker 7: Playing he goes to The, olympics comes, back goes to the,
Speaker 7: league comes back for the summer because all the, players
Speaker 7: with Every northlina player, came but we all come back and.
Speaker 7: Play so the gym is the doodles like it's like
Speaker 7: ANY nba. Team we would beat like in that gym without.
Speaker 7: Question and he's my, Moment he's, Gone i'm, like, damn gang.
Speaker 7: Out he's, like my, handle been working on, it BUT.
Speaker 5: I forgot accept.
Speaker 32: THAT i really.
Speaker 7: FORGOT i said, it and he's, like my, handle, right
Speaker 7: you're talking about my. Handle but he was like the
Speaker 7: stories are true about his. Competitiveness like we were we
Speaker 7: were playing pick up one. Day so this is when
Speaker 7: you knew you MADE i MADE i made it, too
Speaker 7: because the juniors and, seniors you, know even at y'all
Speaker 7: school probably picked the.
Speaker 1: Team yeah, yeah, yes right straight out of high school
Speaker 1: went To, mexico, right so they.
Speaker 11: PICKED i don't get a lot Of this is how
Speaker 11: we do.
Speaker 7: It so the pros go on one hand and they
Speaker 7: players college players on the, other and then you pick your.
Speaker 7: Team but you could you could pick the pros across.
Speaker 7: Over you could cross. Over So michael and Or sam
Speaker 7: whoever they, were have senior leaders and junior. Leaders they
Speaker 7: the team and the first, day you, know you, know
Speaker 7: as a, freshman you're just. Sitting they're not picking. You
Speaker 7: so you get on the quarter. End so about two weeks,
Speaker 7: later bout a week, Later, Uh michael was picking and he's, LIKE.
Speaker 8: I GOT i Got New. York they used to call
Speaker 8: Me New.
Speaker 7: YORK i Got New. YORK i was, like oh, SHIT
Speaker 7: i got picked. First he was like firsts twenty pros
Speaker 7: in the. GYM i was, like oh IT'S i was,
Speaker 7: like so my my confidence was Boost so now we're playing,
Speaker 7: right and we went. In we went in games and
Speaker 7: so every time we, win you, know you go get.
Speaker 7: Water And i'm Watching mike and he's standing in the
Speaker 7: middle of center. Court i'm, LIKE i walk, up, like,
Speaker 7: yo what are you. Doing he's, LIKE i want the
Speaker 7: Mother beckers to know That i'm never leaving the. Court
Speaker 7: i'm gonna be the first to stand here to. LAST
Speaker 7: i was, like all, right so we.
Speaker 5: Both like we.
Speaker 8: Do this is how we're doing. IT i, mean he was,
Speaker 8: LIKE i, mean he was the first dude THAT i
Speaker 8: met that could back up his.
Speaker 36: Trash like every day every, day always a, talker always a,
Speaker 36: talker and always backed it up, though like and he
Speaker 36: really took more, pride especially than his.
Speaker 7: Defense he's, Like Walter, davis you're not scoring. Today you're
Speaker 7: not scoring, Today Walter. Davis like he that's the type
Speaker 7: of energy.
Speaker 5: He was on all the.
Speaker 7: Time he and when he got to the. League so
Speaker 7: we had, dorms and our dorm numbers don't. Change so
Speaker 7: if you had dorm number, eight it's the same phone
Speaker 7: number next.
Speaker 8: Year you're just a different. Person so all when he
Speaker 8: comes in, town this.
Speaker 7: Is before The, instagram and you'd hear the phones go
Speaker 7: bring and somebody hang up bring and you just hear
Speaker 7: it going.
Speaker 1: Down so it's.
Speaker 8: Him all he say is schools in, session.
Speaker 7: Boochoo so everybody come in the, hallway be, Like mike's,
Speaker 7: Here mike's, here, Right. Mike so he go and he
Speaker 7: called each room to let her know would come to
Speaker 7: the gym schools and it was in, session so the
Speaker 7: gym would be.
Speaker 8: Packed we got four thousand people watching our pickup. Games that's,
Speaker 8: crazy four. Thousand that's dopest hell it.
Speaker 1: Was it.
Speaker 7: Was it was unbelievable that time basketball was a Different
Speaker 7: there was No Charlotte, hornets so like people would and
Speaker 7: this is no social media and people that all hold
Speaker 7: word them out and they would be for it would
Speaker 7: be four thousand people when he came in that.
Speaker 1: Gym good OLD i mean obviously with his competitiveness and
Speaker 1: his desire to get better at a young, age did
Speaker 1: you see him possibly being a GREAT.
Speaker 8: I knew he would be. GREAT i never thought he'd
Speaker 8: be the greatest because.
Speaker 7: WHEN i first saw, him and then WHEN i saw
Speaker 7: him when we even in, practice like you don't, LIKE
Speaker 7: i guess it's like you have a beautiful wife and
Speaker 7: you like take it for granted.
Speaker 5: Because she's there every.
Speaker 8: Day you see, It you see it every. Moment you,
Speaker 8: know you see every moment you know a beautiful person you're.
Speaker 8: Around you see that bad side, too you see the
Speaker 8: days that they're in the.
Speaker 7: Mood so for, HIM i saw those moments AND i was,
Speaker 7: like but then when he when he left and he came,
Speaker 7: BACK i saw that the energy that he put into his,
Speaker 7: game like he never stopped.
Speaker 8: Working Man like his stuff is not an. Accident like
Speaker 8: it's not, like oh he was.
Speaker 7: Gifted, no he was the most fundamentally sound player that
Speaker 7: ever played the. Game if you watch the, videos his
Speaker 7: his left handed is in the correct paths and, lane
Speaker 7: his footwork is. Unapeckable the offensively you, know his jab
Speaker 7: step is he's the always ball, moved, beat stay still
Speaker 7: like all of those things were all the.
Speaker 8: Time and then he was the best.
Speaker 7: Athlete most guys who were athletic didn't rely on. That you,
Speaker 7: know his greatest even you, know and this is not
Speaker 7: a not but his Greatest Claude drexler. Was that was
Speaker 7: the difference between him And. Mike to, me it's just
Speaker 7: the fundamentals of jab step and that's you, know the
Speaker 7: stuff That Dean smith. Learned but, uh and It mike
Speaker 7: gets a lot of credit, for like his, quotes but
Speaker 7: it's Just Dean smith's. Quotes it's. Stolen it's it's just
Speaker 7: he just, adds explicives everything everything That Coach smith said to.
Speaker 7: Us that's What mike, said every know you you can pull.
Speaker 7: It it's every. Interview it's plagiarism.
Speaker 1: To THE i mean speaking To Coach, smith what was
Speaker 1: it like some of the stories and memories you have
Speaker 1: rest in? Peace obviously one of the greatest to ever do,
Speaker 1: It Dean.
Speaker 8: Smith he was to, me it was like playing For
Speaker 8: gandhi mm, hmm like you know WHAT i.
Speaker 5: Mean he.
Speaker 7: Was it was so real about his inner person who he.
Speaker 7: Was my favorite story is is not even with. Me it's,
Speaker 7: uh it's With mac Taw enjai who played At North.
Speaker 7: Carolina he was From, africa played At michigan transfer in
Speaker 7: and went To.
Speaker 8: Oki he went To.
Speaker 7: Okill So Mac mac, was you, know having a tough
Speaker 7: time in. Practice So Roy williams was assistant coach at the,
Speaker 7: time and he's In bill guthriche and so they're getting
Speaker 7: On matt Like, mac what's wrong with?
Speaker 5: You blah blah.
Speaker 7: Blah Coach smith's never cussed, ever excuse me ever ever,
Speaker 7: ever never. Cussed so they're getting on, him and so
Speaker 7: they throw him out of. Practice, Right So Coach smith
Speaker 7: after practice goes to, him Says, mac because everything all,
Speaker 7: right like homesick like and he's, like no, coach and he's.
Speaker 7: Not he's not looking at. Him he's, like he's, Like,
Speaker 7: matt look at me When i'm talking to.
Speaker 5: You he's, like, no.
Speaker 7: Coach i'm just not Feeling, matt look at me AS
Speaker 7: i talk to. You he, said, coach and my culture
Speaker 7: to look at an adult in the eye. Isspect it's
Speaker 7: trying to. Disrespect So's coachman, says, Oh, okay walks. Out
Speaker 7: so next day in, practice there's no Coach guthridge who
Speaker 7: threw him out of. Practice Coach guts is not there
Speaker 7: for a. Week So max, said he gets a call
Speaker 7: because from his. Mom she's, Like, matt this is man
Speaker 7: here In, africa says he's your coach. Assistant. COACH i
Speaker 7: know it's Coach. SMITH i don't know. Him, well he's
Speaker 7: been here for a, week saying he's learning our. Culture
Speaker 7: he sent Coach guthridge to learn his culture so he could.
Speaker 8: Never make that mistake. Again that is what Coach smith.
Speaker 5: Is that's The.
Speaker 1: Yes two year Pit stock you win a Champion National
Speaker 1: championship in eighty, one dropped twenty three Versus Sam perkins
Speaker 1: And James worthy over In North. Carolina what was your
Speaker 1: favorite on the court moments in? College was it that?
Speaker 1: Championship two. Favorites the first favorite Was february fourteen In,
Speaker 1: Iowa Mike whitson's return because my freshman year he had back.
Speaker 5: Surgery we were ranked number.
Speaker 37: One whitson goes, Down whitman goes, Down boushie goes, down and,
Speaker 37: we like you, know were. Faltering, Right woodson comes back
Speaker 37: and that's his first, game and it's In Iowa, city
Speaker 37: and this is my freshman year and my whole my
Speaker 37: whole time, now you, know playing for Coach. Night i'm
Speaker 37: waiting for this genius, moment, Right i'm waiting for him
Speaker 37: to grab the, clipboard you, know and draw up some.
Speaker 37: Stuff BUT i ain't seen no clipboard and like you,
Speaker 37: KNOW i ain't seen the clipboard like SINCE i got. There,
Speaker 37: Right so we, Down we down one In. Iowa it
Speaker 37: Was wody's first game, back and we called time out
Speaker 37: and Now i'm, like, okay this this is the. MOMENT
Speaker 37: i got no getting ready to drop a play, now,
Speaker 37: right this was the play he, Said, whitson can you
Speaker 37: make a?
Speaker 8: Shot what he?
Speaker 37: Said, YEAH i knock it. Down coach he, said he
Speaker 37: called me pee. Wee he said, okay pee. WEE i
Speaker 37: want you to move the ball Around. TOBERT i want
Speaker 37: you to set a screen For. Whitson, WHITSON i want
Speaker 37: you to get open pee. Weee when he gets, OPEN
Speaker 37: i want you to hit. It woody knocked the shot.
Speaker 37: Down i'm, like on the left, side the right, Side,
Speaker 37: well wh Where's whatson gonna?
Speaker 1: Be i'm.
Speaker 5: Scared i'm like.
Speaker 8: Scared i'm like walking down on the.
Speaker 1: Floor i'm, like, okay how we gonna get the ball?
Speaker 6: There?
Speaker 38: Right he wants you to put everybody in. Place i'm, like, hey,
Speaker 38: man just All i'm. Doing SO i passed it AND
Speaker 38: i run over there and get it. Past So i'm
Speaker 38: waiting For woody To woody come. Off tobah sets a,
Speaker 38: Downscreen whitson comes off on the left. SIDE i hit
Speaker 38: him boomom and he banks it right off the.
Speaker 37: Glass and to, me that was the most that was
Speaker 37: one of the most beautiful MOMENTS i have, experienced because
Speaker 37: what he recruited.
Speaker 1: Me that was my senior. Year he had back.
Speaker 37: Surgery you, know he's coming, back you, know and SO
Speaker 37: i was, like. Okay second best moment, was you, know
Speaker 37: Be North carolina in that final. Game so two things
Speaker 37: happened in that. Game in the first, Half North carolina
Speaker 37: got out to a good, start AND i knew we
Speaker 37: didn't have the talent to play with them right talent for,
Speaker 37: talent they were Better James, Worthy Sam. PERKINS i would
Speaker 37: that's the back. Line worthy was a number one. PICK
Speaker 37: i Think perkins was, like you, know five or, six
Speaker 37: AND I will was like ten or. Something But North
Speaker 37: carolina they played that platoon, system SO i was just
Speaker 37: they got up AND i was, like, okay we just
Speaker 37: got a hold on fellas because five minutes they're gonna
Speaker 37: Take worthy. Out they're gonna Take worthy And perkins. Out
Speaker 37: and when they took them, out so that's when we
Speaker 37: was able to come. Back but one of the biggest
Speaker 37: PLAYS i thought in that game clocks running. Down we
Speaker 37: got the last shot out the half And whitman's in
Speaker 37: the in the in the right corner And i'm standing.
Speaker 37: There we're you, Know i'm dribbling the, ball trying to you,
Speaker 37: know make sure like everybody is set doing what they're
Speaker 37: supposed to, do trying to start, time And whitmen AND
Speaker 37: i make eye contact and you, know we run the clock,
Speaker 37: down kick it over The. Whitmen he knocks down the
Speaker 37: shot in the in the first. Half they gave us
Speaker 37: crazy momentum going in BECAUSE i think we either went
Speaker 37: up one or was down. One we come back out
Speaker 37: the third to start the second, half and THEN i take.
Speaker 8: Over so you know.
Speaker 37: That BUT i thought that shot was one of the
Speaker 37: biggest moment in the.
Speaker 5: Game how many back boys have you shot?
Speaker 1: It just?
Speaker 5: ONE i brought a lot of.
Speaker 22: Rims just shot at one boy at the right, time
Speaker 22: at the right time of the, tournament.
Speaker 5: At the right.
Speaker 22: Time, man talk about. That my Man Jason sassi bro
Speaker 22: shout out To Jay. Sass his Nephew marcus is a
Speaker 22: hell of a player place at The university Of. Houston
Speaker 22: marcus sas his. Nephew my man J martin point guard From.
Speaker 22: Inglewood uh he, hit he hit jail on you At. Jason, yeah,
Speaker 22: Bro i've been doing j for over thirty, years J.
Speaker 5: Martin so, Yeah.
Speaker 22: Jay went hit hit Hit sass in the post And
Speaker 22: vince was guarding. Me antoine was Garden sass And SaaS
Speaker 22: threw up the right jump. Hook vince went to go double.
Speaker 22: ONE i had a straight line right to the. Rim
Speaker 22: man was caught off as a rebound and the rest
Speaker 22: of his mother fucking down, too and that actually tied
Speaker 22: the game. Up like we was going back and, forth
Speaker 22: AND i think that might have made it sixteen to.
Speaker 22: Sixteen they had had my man who want to see
Speaker 22: later on the. Night they Had jeff. McGinnis they Had,
Speaker 22: Uh Antoine, Jamison Vince, Carter sir S Quicker Shaman. Williams
Speaker 22: That carolina team was, strong ye, ka dont you know
Speaker 22: WHAT i? Mean they had A they had a, strong strong.
Speaker 22: Squad and we Had Tony, battiz, Myself saz J, Mark Corey,
Speaker 22: carr Uh Coy smiths and they. Cook we had we
Speaker 22: had a pretty tough squad, too but it was one
Speaker 22: of those. Things, man we're going back and. Forth when that,
Speaker 22: happened we had to stop the game forty five, minutes
Speaker 22: watch the ice glass out our. Back we had to take,
Speaker 22: showers and my Man corey came, out went on a
Speaker 22: three point. Barage corey came out and hit like four straight.
Speaker 22: Threes man just opened the game. Up we ended up
Speaker 22: winning by twenty ninety two to seventy. Reading and they
Speaker 22: drug tested me. FEVERISHLY i gotta be on something.
Speaker 5: Right everything came back, clean. KIDS i was just On
Speaker 5: Steak milk And Broci.
Speaker 39: JACK i can tell you a funny, story, man after
Speaker 39: we won the national. Championship and this is before the
Speaker 39: social media era that you, know nobody really knew or talked.
Speaker 39: About but we just won a national, championship, Right so
Speaker 39: we're going to Uh so we're on campus and colleg
Speaker 39: comes up to. Me it's, like, Hey, rip let's go
Speaker 39: To hartford right to get some gear because that's where
Speaker 39: all the hip hop you, know you get all your
Speaker 39: hip hop clothes and get. Fresh he was, Like, yo
Speaker 39: my man got a store, there you, Know let's go
Speaker 39: down there and get some. Clothes So i'm, like all, right,
Speaker 39: cool you. Know so we go to the store and
Speaker 39: get some gear whatever. Whatever, Right so we get back
Speaker 39: in the. Car now we on our way back to.
Speaker 39: Campus So colie, like oh, man you know, what, Man,
Speaker 39: rip let's right through the. Hood you know What i'm
Speaker 39: saying from the.
Speaker 8: People So i'm, Like i'm, like, hey.
Speaker 5: Let's just get.
Speaker 39: Back let's get back to. Camp he's, like, nah let's
Speaker 39: just ride through real. Quick i'm, like all, right, cool
Speaker 39: let's do. It so we riding through the. Neighborhood you
Speaker 39: know What i'm, saying you, know everybody in the neighborhood
Speaker 39: giving us love, whatever, whatever high, five, whatever. Whatever so
Speaker 39: we stopped by this little, project you know What i'm
Speaker 39: saying over, there, right and a couple of homies you
Speaker 39: know in the, neighborhood you, Know new k and they was, Like,
Speaker 39: yo what's, up, man, congratulations you, know just give him, love,
Speaker 39: right shake your, hands napping over the.
Speaker 5: Whatever.
Speaker 8: Right so we're in the car and one.
Speaker 5: Dude comes over and he says a k uh.
Speaker 39: Huh, man you know What i'm, saying and reaches in
Speaker 39: a car and acts like he gives him. Debt but
Speaker 39: then he pulls his hand back, right and then the
Speaker 39: homie was, like, hey you know, what just give it to.
Speaker 1: Him.
Speaker 39: Man the dudes won the national, championship AND i don't
Speaker 39: know what the hell is they you know What i'm, saying,
Speaker 39: like just give it to him whatever.
Speaker 5: Whatever. Right so then k was, Like, Nah i'm cool whatever.
Speaker 11: Whatever homies, like, nah give it to.
Speaker 5: Him.
Speaker 39: Boom gave him high, five you know What i'm. Saying
Speaker 39: and it was two dying bags of, weed, Right.
Speaker 26: Kate ky takes it, Right kay takes it, right puts
Speaker 26: it in his pocket.
Speaker 5: Boom.
Speaker 39: Right so Now we're in a, car, Right so we sped.
Speaker 39: OFF i mean we going thirty miles an. Hour as
Speaker 39: soon as we hit the, Corner, bro the sirens go.
Speaker 39: Off police come out on foot. Sprinting run stop, them they,
Speaker 39: Ran they ran stop sign and they've.
Speaker 5: Been speeding or.
Speaker 26: Whatever i'm, like, bro we ain't been, Speeding like what
Speaker 26: the hell going?
Speaker 8: On like you know What i'm.
Speaker 5: Saying ONCE i see, Police i'm. Shook. Right so Then kate, like, oh.
Speaker 39: Man like, damn like you know WHAT i, MEAN i
Speaker 39: got this on me like like you know WHAT i,
Speaker 39: mean we cut college kids at this. Time you, know
Speaker 39: marijuana was a big thing back, then like like. Child
Speaker 39: so the cop come out, right so he like he's
Speaker 39: put this one, Cock come take me and put me
Speaker 39: in a cop. Car they take him and put him
Speaker 39: in a cop. Car i'm, like, yo what the hell's going?
Speaker 39: On so the cop Car i'm, in the police is, like, Man, britt,
Speaker 39: like why are y'all?
Speaker 8: Here And i'm, like, bro we just came here.
Speaker 26: To get some, clothes like you know What i'm, Saying
Speaker 26: like you, know we just had a cruise around.
Speaker 39: Neighborhood he's, like, bro you know we've been having a
Speaker 39: sting operation on this project for the last four.
Speaker 5: Months i'm, Like i'm.
Speaker 39: So Then i'm like then he's, like y'all shouldn't be out.
Speaker 39: Here y'all shouldn't be out. Here so Now i'm looking
Speaker 39: through the police police, uh And i'm in the back.
Speaker 39: Seat i'm looking through the police. Window so they Pulled
Speaker 39: kindli out the car, first but they separate, us AND
Speaker 39: i know what pocket he put the dining bags, In
Speaker 39: And i'm, like, like, bro, like please don't go in
Speaker 39: the pocket right first team they. Did so they had
Speaker 39: some mean ass. Cameras, MAN i don't know where where
Speaker 39: the hell they got this camera. At the first place
Speaker 39: they checked was inside his sweatsuit.
Speaker 26: Pocket he going to sweat suit, pocket, boom pulls it.
Speaker 39: OUT i don't see what was being said BECAUSE i
Speaker 39: just see a whole lot of hands Because i'm in.
Speaker 26: There they put him in the, car they pulled me.
Speaker 5: Out they was, like what the hell you got in your?
Speaker 26: Pocket i'm, like, BRO i ain't got.
Speaker 39: Nothing they pat me down whatever whatever they, checked they
Speaker 39: checked the, car, whatever, whatever and then they.
Speaker 26: Take him right to the police. Station So i'm, like, yo,
Speaker 26: like what's going?
Speaker 5: On you know?
Speaker 39: WHAT i mean Cause i'm Macadumb i'm, like, yo what's going?
Speaker 5: On he was, like oh, man he had marijuana on.
Speaker 5: Him he's going to. Jail So i'm, like, well, well like,
Speaker 5: yo like like what about? Me they was, like, oh,
Speaker 5: well well you, off like but he's going to. Jail
Speaker 5: And i'm, like, bro like like where we just won
Speaker 5: a national, championship.
Speaker 26: Like like, y'all y'all can't let us?
Speaker 39: Off like and he like he like hell, nah like
Speaker 39: in a POLICE i, mean everybody in the neighborhood out, like,
Speaker 39: yo let them kids.
Speaker 8: Go let them kids.
Speaker 39: Go so you, Know i'm an hour from, campus, man
Speaker 39: And i'm, like, yo all, right, man can you just
Speaker 39: give me the keys SO i can drive back to
Speaker 39: the to the. Campus they, like hell, now but we
Speaker 39: can give you a ride to the police. STATION i,
Speaker 39: said you know, What i'll walk back to campus, Man
Speaker 39: AND i. WALKED i walked out a mile when somebody
Speaker 39: came and getting picked. Up you know this before the
Speaker 39: cell phone here, Somebody, yeah ride back to. Campus so
Speaker 39: that was just a crazy situation Because coline school his sophomore.
Speaker 39: Year that was the same year THAT i, left you
Speaker 39: know What i'm. Saying but he was going to leave that,
Speaker 39: year but he ended up coming back for.
Speaker 1: Junior your senior year begins the journey of you winning.
Speaker 1: Hardware your senior, year you guys go, undefeated you win
Speaker 1: a state champion, chip and then you head on To.
Speaker 1: Yukon who were some of the other schools you possibly
Speaker 1: thought about.
Speaker 40: Joining, YEAH i Visited, Stamford, vanderbilt and then Like duke
Speaker 40: And Notre dame or like the kind of like the
Speaker 40: fourth and.
Speaker 21: FIFTH i didn't even visit. Though it was Really yukon
Speaker 21: from the, start like that was?
Speaker 22: It?
Speaker 21: Yeah the other ones kind of crept, in you, know
Speaker 21: because like they wind and dine, you but it was A.
Speaker 26: Yukon what was?
Speaker 1: IT i mean obviously at the long line of great
Speaker 1: men and women. There what did it? Mean the first
Speaker 1: time you actually got to put that? Uniform? Mom it was.
Speaker 21: Crazy because they still do really well in.
Speaker 40: Attendance but WHEN i was in, school it was Like
Speaker 40: gamble was ten thousand so and we sold that out
Speaker 40: and then we would play in the arena In hartford
Speaker 40: and that's like sixteen thousand sold that. Out and whether
Speaker 40: we were playing like our art rival or we were
Speaker 40: playing LIKE i don't, know SOME d two team in
Speaker 40: like a preseason.
Speaker 21: Game, yeah it didn't.
Speaker 40: Matter so to, me that was like the fans that
Speaker 40: was the crazy. Part so you put the uniform, on
Speaker 40: you run out to all these.
Speaker 21: People that was. Wild that Was that was the wildest.
Speaker 8: Part do you think Your yo Yu contein could be
Speaker 8: SOME wnba?
Speaker 26: TEAM i mean, yeah.
Speaker 21: Because it's like five wa like top five picks.
Speaker 5: For.
Speaker 21: Real my senior year, Loaded, yeah we were.
Speaker 1: Loaded Were so you had a little setback your freshman
Speaker 1: year tearing your Acl what was that like for the
Speaker 1: first time basketball tea being taken away due to.
Speaker 26: Injury, yeah it was, terrible.
Speaker 21: ALTHOUGH i also so like talking about the bubble and
Speaker 21: needing a.
Speaker 40: BREAK i figured out quickly even my freshman, year LIKE
Speaker 40: i love, basketball but LIKE i can balance, it you.
Speaker 26: Know so it was tough that it was.
Speaker 40: Taken away BECAUSE i didn't have a. CHANCE i hadn't
Speaker 40: proven myself, yet LIKE i, was you, know like there
Speaker 40: was no nothing to back it. Up you get hurt
Speaker 40: now or like later in your, career people kind of
Speaker 40: know who you are and know what you can. Do it's, like,
Speaker 40: okay she'll be. Fine but this was LIKE i hadn't done,
Speaker 40: Anything so that was probably the hardest, part but it's
Speaker 40: probably the thing that like shaped me, now like going through,
Speaker 40: that having to prove myself kind of overcome. Something you,
Speaker 40: Know i'm back in nineteen ninety, eight tearing your acl
Speaker 40: was like a death. Wish now it's, like oh.
Speaker 21: Yeah, Fine but back, then, yeah back then.
Speaker 1: It was, scary. Scary so did you get one of
Speaker 1: those big old, scars like from your shin to the
Speaker 1: top of your they have those Scary franken STYLE i,
Speaker 1: Remember BUT i had toe surgery and it was supposed
Speaker 1: TO i thought it was a skull. Open there's like
Speaker 1: a scar on my toe like the size of my.
Speaker 1: Foot i'm, like what the fuck was this? Like and
Speaker 1: that was in nineteen ninety, eight like, surgery medical, that you,
Speaker 1: know the medical stide was much different back. Then so
Speaker 1: you were you were able to establish you, know winning
Speaker 1: two championships there playing with The diana And Swing. Cash
Speaker 1: what was it like being able to win with your?
Speaker 26: Friends that was the best part we.
Speaker 40: Had we had a really it was like a it
Speaker 40: was a close, group like my class is super tight
Speaker 40: group chats still popping, now but then even so And
Speaker 40: d's class was two years younger and they we had
Speaker 40: five in my, class well ended up being four at the,
Speaker 40: end but and they had. Five so it was like
Speaker 40: these two like like in, numbers you know WHAT i,
Speaker 40: mean these two groups and they kind of ride or.
Speaker 40: Died but when we came, together we still had so much.
Speaker 40: Fun so it's, like as like you guys can it's
Speaker 40: like the memories aren't the. Winning it's nice that you,
Speaker 40: win but it's like all the other stuff so to do,
Speaker 40: that and, REALLY i mean you mentioned two people FOR
Speaker 40: d And, Swin it's Like i've literally gone through everything with,
Speaker 40: them starting in College.
Speaker 21: Swin actually we played together.
Speaker 1: In the W.
Speaker 21: Nba me AND d played Me Dan swin with the national,
Speaker 21: team then me AND d went To.
Speaker 40: Russia it's just like our careers are so, intertwined and
Speaker 40: it's they're like sisters for.
Speaker 21: Sure so it's it's always amazing doing and winning with your.
Speaker 1: Family that's what's up played for legendary Coach Gina, ariyama
Speaker 1: who once said you were the best point guard in the.
Speaker 1: World how did this is the two? Part how did
Speaker 1: that make you? Feel and then what is some of
Speaker 1: the best advice he gave you during your time?
Speaker 21: There he definitely didn't say that shits in my.
Speaker 26: Face gino is such a g MAN i.
Speaker 1: LOVE i never met, HIM i just SAW i could
Speaker 1: just feel his energy from THE. Tv i've always fucked
Speaker 1: with him even THOUGH i never met.
Speaker 21: Him he shoots it, straight that's for.
Speaker 40: Sure, no it's for him to say, that Like i'm,
Speaker 40: joking but he gives you compliments to your, face but not.
Speaker 21: When you're in, college not even shortly.
Speaker 40: Thereafter but to have him say, that to know who he's,
Speaker 40: coached who he's been, around it's obviously an amazing.
Speaker 21: COMPLIMENT i think the thing he taught me that to
Speaker 21: this DAY i take with me is it's.
Speaker 40: Like a classic line of his basketball is not a
Speaker 40: game of how, to it's a game of when, to
Speaker 40: and THAT i think.
Speaker 21: Is like true for all, players but especially for me
Speaker 21: at the point guard. Spot Like i'm kind of you,
Speaker 21: Know i'm not out. There i'm not gonna dazzle you
Speaker 21: with my. Athleticism i'm not going to rely on those,
Speaker 21: things SO i have to be.
Speaker 5: Really it really is about When i'm.
Speaker 40: Doing this, stuff not not how, right like everybody can,
Speaker 40: shoot dribble, pass but it's like when and being really
Speaker 40: like smart about. It and, calculated and that's.
Speaker 1: Like my.
Speaker 5: What was your recruiting? Process like, school we.
Speaker 41: Started to get on the, map SO i really could
Speaker 41: have chose ANYWHERE i wanted to. GO i chose you
Speaker 41: call my junior. Year SO i didn't even. WAIT i was,
Speaker 41: like what y'all want?
Speaker 21: ME i want you, to, like let's let's do.
Speaker 41: This but it actually wasn't even in the. BEGINNING i
Speaker 41: was more so leaning Towards maryland because that's where my sister.
Speaker 41: Lives So i'm, like all, RIGHT i can go TO.
Speaker 41: Umd they got a good program, there and THEN i
Speaker 41: just went TO i went to my visit To. Yukon
Speaker 41: this is kind of. CRAZY i had all the other
Speaker 41: visits lined. UP i even Put hawaii on there BECAUSE
Speaker 41: i just wanted, to.
Speaker 1: You, KNOW i want.
Speaker 41: TO i want, to all, right so you already. KNOW
Speaker 41: i went To yukon and signed with them right after.
Speaker 41: Kids so all the other trips those were terrible calls to.
Speaker 41: Make just letting everybody Know West virginia through a fit
Speaker 41: BECAUSE i didn't take my trip TO. WVU i, knew
Speaker 41: like WHEN i went, there they didn't roll out the
Speaker 41: red carpet for. Me you, know everybody else was, like,
Speaker 41: yeah you're gonna come, Here you're gonna start for. Years i'm,
Speaker 41: like how many people they telling us?
Speaker 6: Too?
Speaker 33: Though you, know LIKE i JUST i like.
Speaker 41: Transparency so Coach arima was, like, look we already got
Speaker 41: a point. Guard we know you're. GOOD i don't know
Speaker 41: if you're gonna, start you, know like he's if y'all
Speaker 41: know coach R, amma he's the same way for. Recruiting
Speaker 41: SO i think the players that go, THERE i think
Speaker 41: it says a lot about the players because you got, People,
Speaker 41: yeah you got people promising you the. World so people
Speaker 41: that go To yukon coach are in but just does
Speaker 41: a move like, That so that that says something about the.
Speaker 26: PLAYERS i, think, yeap what was your college?
Speaker 1: Experience, LIKE i, mean going to a legendary, program having
Speaker 1: a legendary, coach able to capture one title your senior.
Speaker 1: Year But i'm sure the experience is something you'll never,
Speaker 1: forget something you'll never.
Speaker 41: FORGET i, mean, WELL i already went there knowing the
Speaker 41: point guards that were before. Me so it's LIKE i
Speaker 41: think that's that.
Speaker 1: That's what push not to cut you? Off who was
Speaker 1: there when you came.
Speaker 41: In so WHEN i came in it Was Keisha, swanyer
Speaker 41: so she was she was one year ahead of, me
Speaker 41: so we. Didn't it was it was almost wide open
Speaker 41: in a. Sense so that's kind of HOW i was making.
Speaker 1: Mine.
Speaker 41: Yeah but WHEN i say before, ME i meant like
Speaker 41: a Superb Jennifer, rizzotti just that group of caliber of point.
Speaker 41: Guards so for, me for, me LIKE i, SAID i
Speaker 41: welcome that type of, Chang i'm, like, dang it's lit.
Speaker 41: Here so you have to you have to do something
Speaker 41: big to make an impact at a school like that And,
Speaker 41: yukon while everyone knows that we are good at, partying
Speaker 41: we played. Good we played in basketball. Too BUT i,
Speaker 41: think but it's like, No AND i say that because
Speaker 41: a lot of times it's like Stores, connecticut people are
Speaker 41: like what do you do up there other than? Party
Speaker 41: BUT i MEAN i think that the players we have a.
Speaker 41: Sisterhood you see us, now like we're all still, Close
Speaker 41: like it's not it's not like we're all still, Cool
Speaker 41: like we're all still. Close we got a group. Chat
Speaker 41: AND i think that's just the ties that we, Built
Speaker 41: like we build a real sisterhood. There AND i think
Speaker 41: that's the culture that they make you have because practices
Speaker 41: is so. Hard everything is so hard that you got
Speaker 41: a band, Together like we all got to be mad
Speaker 41: at coach together because we're not gonna beat him, Otherwise
Speaker 41: like they make you figure it out. Together so that's
Speaker 41: the THING i THINK i learned best At yukon just
Speaker 41: that He coach would do so many different. Things we
Speaker 41: have practice. Guys there will be like eight practice guys
Speaker 41: against us are five and we'd have to figure out
Speaker 41: a way to beat the trap and we'd have to
Speaker 41: do different. Things so he would always, say LIKE i
Speaker 41: don't really care what the circumstances give me a. Solution
Speaker 41: SO i think that's kind of my mentality now moving
Speaker 41: forward on, everything like all, right whatever the, circumstances there
Speaker 41: is a, Solution, like, YEAH i gotta find.
Speaker 1: It what was it like playing for him in, particular
Speaker 1: and maybe some advice that stuck with you early on
Speaker 1: that that they got you through.
Speaker 41: It there's so, much BUT i would say playing for
Speaker 41: him early, on people you, know they always say coach has,
Speaker 41: favorites and people like to label me as one of,
Speaker 41: those BUT.
Speaker 25: I, WAS i.
Speaker 41: WAS i still THINK i got yelled at. Song playing
Speaker 41: for him is like no other because everyone else on
Speaker 41: the other side hates, him and then you see like
Speaker 41: he's so down for you and he makes people math
Speaker 41: like he'll say whatever you probably think you're thinking as a,
Speaker 41: player he, say oh, yeah he's gonna say, it and
Speaker 41: he's gonna look at you in the face and be
Speaker 41: like and, like you, know he's gonna he's about that.
Speaker 41: Life and so playing for him it makes you like,
Speaker 41: proud like you want to prove, It like if he
Speaker 41: says something to the media like, listen, y'all you already
Speaker 41: Know coach said, That so like let's do our. Thing
Speaker 41: like just the advice that he always just gave us
Speaker 41: was that no one, Cares like like people think that
Speaker 41: people care about your. Situation no one, Cares like they don't.
Speaker 41: Care if we're battling, injuries they don't. Care if we
Speaker 41: have no. Seniors people never. Care and so once you
Speaker 41: realize that in all aspects of, life like your boss don't,
Speaker 41: care what's going on at, home you, know, like no one.
Speaker 41: Cares and so That's i've always kept that, mentality like
Speaker 41: people don't care why you're. Late you, late like people
Speaker 41: don't you know WHAT i, Mean like you just if
Speaker 41: you keep that mentality that no one cares figure it
Speaker 41: out and do it. Right that that's kind of what stuff.
Speaker 8: With, yeah what was your.
Speaker 5: First impression of? Life?
Speaker 41: MORE i remember SHE i remember playing pick up with,
Speaker 41: her And i'm, like she's, Different like you, know you
Speaker 41: can just or you just see people do stuff just
Speaker 41: like like what was? That like you know WHAT i
Speaker 41: mean when and then she does something else and you're, like,
Speaker 41: oh she's like she's legit and you just KNEW i,
Speaker 41: mean and She's and there's a lot of players that
Speaker 41: come out and just real. Talk there's a lot of
Speaker 41: players that get all kinds of hype and then when
Speaker 41: you see, them you'd be, like they're, okay you, know
Speaker 41: like they might be the best in that, class but
Speaker 41: that might be a weak, class so they're all. Right
Speaker 41: she had all the. Hype so you come in looking
Speaker 41: at her in that, lens and she had all the. Game,
Speaker 41: YEAH i mean as good as. Advertising just some of
Speaker 41: the stuff she would, do LIKE i would really just be, Like,
Speaker 41: MAMA i know you. Lying AND i got TO i
Speaker 41: got to play with her in college and in the,
Speaker 41: pros and so to see her in, college she already
Speaker 41: had that just raw natural. Ability she can do, everything
Speaker 41: but then to see her in the pros and like
Speaker 41: she had honed it, on like she knew she was a,
Speaker 41: killer and she was killing every. Night not that she
Speaker 41: wasn't in, college but you could just, tell you, know
Speaker 41: she's like one of those generational players that you talk.
Speaker 41: About you're not going to seem any more like.
Speaker 5: Her did you play With simon?
Speaker 1: Too?
Speaker 41: Oh you KNOW i?
Speaker 35: Did, yeah Our minnesota, TEAM i had a.
Speaker 8: MOB i Met Sylvia.
Speaker 41: Fowls was on that team as.
Speaker 1: Well we.
Speaker 22: Were we.
Speaker 41: Were that's why people THOUGHT i was crazy.
Speaker 1: Deep your senior year thirty nine and oh national champions
Speaker 1: anything that any doubt ever creeping anyone ever come close
Speaker 1: to knocking that crown off during that.
Speaker 41: RUN i, mean think about this going To yukon and
Speaker 41: not winning a. CHAMPIONSHIP i mean every TIME i tell,
Speaker 41: somebody go to you, con how many you? Want like
Speaker 41: that's the first question everybody. Asked my junior, YEAR i
Speaker 41: was sitting in the Gooseg so my senior, YEAR i
Speaker 41: WAS i would say. SCARED i was terrified to go
Speaker 41: down as the worst in. History they let us know
Speaker 41: we would be the worst, Two like the coaching staff
Speaker 41: would let us. Know like we always went, here you,
Speaker 41: know like you guys got to do. It SO i
Speaker 41: remember the. Preseason it started in preseason like WHERE i
Speaker 41: was turned up LIKE i, WAS i was, crazy Like
Speaker 41: i'm gonna lie LIKE i was on one BECAUSE i
Speaker 41: just didn't want to be that one that left without.
Speaker 41: It and then you get halfway through the, season we
Speaker 41: haven't lost the, game And i'm, like all, right that's.
Speaker 41: Dope but once you get towards the end of the
Speaker 41: season you haven't, won you don't want to be that
Speaker 41: first loss in the tournament you get bounced. Out SO
Speaker 41: i would say the whole SEASON i was we were.
Speaker 41: Tight and WHAT i mean by tight is, like you,
Speaker 41: know like we got to do everything right because we
Speaker 41: don't have any more. CHAIR i didn't have any more,
Speaker 41: chances and so my teammates treated it like they didn't have.
Speaker 41: Anymore and that was the dopest thing to. Me we
Speaker 41: had A Tina charles on that team may am more
Speaker 41: AND i think they wanted it more than me sometimes
Speaker 41: in the way that they would be offended if people
Speaker 41: weren't doing things, right because they would be like this
Speaker 41: is her last, year you, know like they would get
Speaker 41: onto people using that as the incentive and so that
Speaker 41: was probably the coolest part about that year is how
Speaker 41: much everyone wanted it for.
Speaker 1: Me you still were able to have fun, though even
Speaker 1: though you were okay.
Speaker 41: My senior, Year so let's be.
Speaker 10: Clear Coach, Johnson, man we was Playing villanova and dude
Speaker 10: had a sign that Said alan iverson the NEXT mj
Speaker 10: and HAD mj crossed out and HAD oj and it
Speaker 10: was three, DUDE i mean four dudes in the stands
Speaker 10: and they had on all orange jump shoots with chains
Speaker 10: and shackles and all, that And Coach thompson was, like,
Speaker 10: no if y'all don't get them out of, here if
Speaker 10: y'all don't get them out of this gym right, now
Speaker 10: we not, playing and they escorted them out of there
Speaker 10: and the game went. On that, dude LIKE i remember
Speaker 10: just being at the free throw line WHEN i WHEN
Speaker 10: i came To georgetown and everybody just screaming jail, bird jail,
Speaker 10: bird jail. Bird AND i had to deal with all,
Speaker 10: that and he was so protective of, me, man you
Speaker 10: know WHAT i, Mean like even the first night THAT
Speaker 10: i was on, campus he came up, there they and,
Speaker 10: Everybody Coach, thompson you, Know i'm doing the ship THAT
Speaker 10: i don't supposed to.
Speaker 8: Do you know WHAT i, Mean.
Speaker 10: I'm, Smoking you know WHAT i, Mean i'm all back, Then, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 10: Man i'm smoking. Whatever Coach tom came up there and
Speaker 10: it was Like Coach thompson looking at.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 10: MAN i, remember just trying to get myself, together went
Speaker 10: washed my.
Speaker 1: Face you know WHAT i, Mean you can't watch the
Speaker 1: high off.
Speaker 24: Man, no but he.
Speaker 37: Ain't, no he like you think he.
Speaker 5: Ain't he, knew, bro.
Speaker 8: Come, on you KNOW i came on.
Speaker 10: There he was like you, alright a little man like,
Speaker 10: YEAH i was trying to get away from him so,
Speaker 10: fast Like i'm.
Speaker 8: Cool.
Speaker 10: Coach he telling, me why you standing so far back?
Speaker 10: There come come? Here so now you're telling me he probably.
Speaker 10: Knew probably this little motherfucker high as hell.
Speaker 1: Man you know WHAT i, Mean like you, said, protected
Speaker 1: but he.
Speaker 10: Was he was like and he always talked about the
Speaker 10: fact THAT i never complained about them people throwing me
Speaker 10: in jail like that when people try to at. HOME
Speaker 10: i LOVE i Love virginia AND i rep it to the.
Speaker 10: Fullest but they tried to ruin. Me they didn't want
Speaker 10: they didn't want me to be what you just described
Speaker 10: and WHO i am to the. Masses you know WHAT i.
Speaker 10: Mean they didn't want for me to go to any
Speaker 10: country in the. World as soon AS i get off the,
Speaker 10: plane everybody in the airport.
Speaker 8: Know WHO i.
Speaker 10: Am they didn't want. That it was certain people that
Speaker 10: didn't want. That the the guy that locked me, up
Speaker 10: that threw me in, jail he, died and me and
Speaker 10: my baby girl sent his family.
Speaker 5: FLOWERS.
Speaker 10: Mm you ain't do nothing but make me.
Speaker 5: Stronger straight.
Speaker 10: Up that's all you did was made me. STRONG i
Speaker 10: needed you in my. LIFE i needed. You you was
Speaker 10: you Was you was monumental in my. Life you was
Speaker 10: you was an intricate part of my. Life you touched
Speaker 10: on my next, Question what did you?
Speaker 1: LEARN i, mean that was obviously a highly publicized incident
Speaker 1: in the bowling alley, that like you, said nearly injured
Speaker 1: you before you really got. Started what did you learn
Speaker 1: about yourself and your views on just what kind of
Speaker 1: threat they saw you?
Speaker 23: As?
Speaker 10: Matt WHAT i learned WAS i knew THAT i was
Speaker 10: young and immature because of being in. JAIL i wasn't
Speaker 10: even scared LIKE i wasn't EVEN i would like, now
Speaker 10: you know WHAT i, mean if IF i was to
Speaker 10: go to Jail right, NOW i would be terrified Because i'm.
Speaker 10: Older i'm not immature LIKE i was back. Then back,
Speaker 10: THEN i was just man's what? Up back, THEN i
Speaker 10: would do a dumb. Ass first of, ALL i was
Speaker 10: the worst rapper in the, world you know WHAT i.
Speaker 10: MEAN i was doing. IT i wouldn't say, that BUT
Speaker 10: i was doing it because my. Homeboys that was what
Speaker 10: they wanted to. Do so the opportunity presented itself AND
Speaker 10: i could help. Them so that's WHY i did, it
Speaker 10: you know WHAT i. Mean LIKE i learned from. Them
Speaker 10: didn't learn, well BUT i learned from, them you know
Speaker 10: WHAT i. Mean but back, Then, MATT i was so,
Speaker 10: nonchalant and the only thing THAT i was scared of
Speaker 10: is that my dream of being Who mo molded me
Speaker 10: to be as an athlete was gonna be. Over like
Speaker 10: the old head people in my, LIFE i just never
Speaker 10: wanted to disappoint, them you know WHAT i. Mean you
Speaker 10: KNOW i had that, fear not Of mo kicking my.
Speaker 10: Ass he did that a couple of. Times it almost
Speaker 10: threw me through a windshield, before you know WHAT i,
Speaker 10: Mean but just not being Who god gave you the
Speaker 10: talent to be, You, Matt. Barnes, You Steve, jackson you
Speaker 10: supposed to be What god gave you the talent to
Speaker 10: end up, being you know WHAT i. Mean and that
Speaker 10: was my. Fear that was my fear letting, down letting them.
Speaker 10: Down and then the fact of Like Coach thompson used
Speaker 10: to tell, me, oh you of this. Motherfucker you eating
Speaker 10: three times a.
Speaker 5: Day?
Speaker 10: Huh you eating, Breakfast you ain't, lunch you ain't. Dinner
Speaker 10: but your mom down there and some days she don't even,
Speaker 10: eat she living down, there and that the.
Speaker 5: Week.
Speaker 10: Uh my homeboys used to tease, me they called it
Speaker 10: the dods affect ship straight from the sewer because in our,
Speaker 10: crib we had the, uh we had the crib and
Speaker 10: we never could be bad for it in our house
Speaker 10: because the sewer from up under the. House he used to. Do,
Speaker 10: yeah and it's just, wet like you're walking through the
Speaker 10: motherfucking crib and it's just you know WHAT i, Mean
Speaker 10: and it's stinking like a. Motherfucker cut the lights. On
Speaker 10: roaches running there and god damn where no, water no hot,
Speaker 10: water you know WHAT i? Mean no, food baking, soda
Speaker 10: what baking?
Speaker 5: Soda and.
Speaker 10: Warfare cheese and the. Motherfucker and he used to you,
Speaker 10: Know that's what was his way of getting to. Me,
Speaker 10: oh you want your mama.
Speaker 6: To stay right by fucking, around that's what you're. Doing,
Speaker 6: yeah keep keep living like, this. RIGHT i ain't gonna
Speaker 6: argue with. YOU i ain't gonna cut you, out you
Speaker 6: know WHAT i. MEAN i ain't GONNA i ain't gonna
Speaker 6: talk no shit to. You i'm just gonna tell, you
Speaker 6: this is what you want for your mom and your.
Speaker 10: Sisters. Right AND i could just snap out of The
Speaker 10: steve m you know WHAT i, mean and go get
Speaker 10: right back on on on on my.
Speaker 5: Path BUT i don't.
Speaker 10: KNOW I i KNOW i went all over the place
Speaker 10: from what you aksed.
Speaker 1: Me but, nah we needed. That we want. That what's
Speaker 1: what we wanna. Learn we spoke on two people obviously
Speaker 1: want being Here mo and Then John. Thompson it sounds
Speaker 1: like to me from the outside looking, in with two
Speaker 1: integral figures in your life and kind of kept you
Speaker 1: from making all these lefts and rights and kept you going.
Speaker 1: Straight talk to us a little bit about both. Them
Speaker 1: obviously we just, lost you, know one of the greatest
Speaker 1: coaches of all, time rest In. Peach Coach, Thompson BUT
Speaker 1: i know he was intricral, in you, know keeping you
Speaker 1: on the right. Path what he used to tell me
Speaker 1: about all the time is the shit THAT i was
Speaker 1: just talking to you. About he, SAID i ain't never
Speaker 1: complain for what they did to. Me he always talked
Speaker 1: about how he admired me for what they did for
Speaker 1: me and being that young and not.
Speaker 10: Complain but my whole thing Was god gave me an another,
Speaker 10: chance so it won't no need to complain BECAUSE i
Speaker 10: got a. Chance Like i'm recruited by everybody in the
Speaker 10: whole country and both, sports, everybody and the situation happened with,
Speaker 10: me and they almost got away with, It, Steve they
Speaker 10: almost got away with it because if my mom didn't
Speaker 10: go up there and beg him to save my, life
Speaker 10: it wouldn't be No Alan, harrison the cultural. Icon did
Speaker 10: everybody know if he didn't give me a. Chance he
Speaker 10: gave me a. Chance you remember What John thompson was
Speaker 10: known As Alonzo, patrick the ken bade the big man Coach.
Speaker 6: Marcus, ALLEN i mean Not Marcus, Allen alan so another
Speaker 6: big man they had another seven for the last name
Speaker 6: Was allen from my.
Speaker 5: Hometown well it was.
Speaker 10: It was big, man and and everybody always talked about
Speaker 10: how he could coach. Guards but, then all of a,
Speaker 10: sudden when you think Of, georgetown much AS i Love
Speaker 10: pat much AS i loved Long as so much AS
Speaker 10: i love To ken, bait, man It's bubba.
Speaker 6: Chump you're, six five or thirteen years, old fellow lovels
Speaker 6: hoop and Watching patrick?
Speaker 5: Ewing what role Did? Patrick you didn't play on your
Speaker 5: on basketball FOR.
Speaker 42: I, mean he played an incredible role because at that,
Speaker 42: time you KNOW ncaa, basketball what's?
Speaker 1: Huge back?
Speaker 42: Then five slam In. GAMA i, MEAN i, mean You,
Speaker 42: david you Know georgetown back Then? CAROLINA i, mean come, on,
Speaker 42: man it was. Everything so as a, KID i was
Speaker 42: tuned in right so and back doing that championship game
Speaker 42: when they Played, carolina uh and Watching patrick block all those. Shots,
Speaker 42: MAN i was enamored by. THAT i was, LIKE i
Speaker 42: want to do, that AND i kind of pattered my
Speaker 42: game after. Him and you, KNOW i loved the starter
Speaker 42: jackets and the gear and all that. Stuff growing. UP
Speaker 42: i was attracted to the joy with everything everything that Represented.
Speaker 42: GEORGETOWN i was attracted to it and the rest's. History you,
Speaker 42: Know patrick ended up being somewhat a mentor to. Me
Speaker 42: AND i remember being in The NIKE abcd camp In,
Speaker 42: princeton AND i Remember Sean, Kemp Billy, ONES i, mean
Speaker 42: the whole crop was. THERE i mean it was we
Speaker 42: were all on display In princeton And Big john h
Speaker 42: Called patrick. Up patrick drove down From New york and
Speaker 42: uh he was sitting in the stands With Big. John
Speaker 42: and AS i was on the floor, stretching getting ready
Speaker 42: for the, games AND i felt somebody tap me on
Speaker 42: the shoulder and it was it Was.
Speaker 5: PATRICK i was, like SO i had to put on
Speaker 5: THE i had to put on the. Show yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 42: Man so, Yeah now we've developed this brotherly type of,
Speaker 42: relationship you, know between uh, myself him and the kentbe you.
Speaker 5: Know and, Uh Big john instilled a lot in, us
Speaker 5: a whole lot of us over the.
Speaker 42: Years god rest his soul Because Big john played the
Speaker 42: center position and he played behind one of the greatest
Speaker 42: to ever do, it In Bill. Russell So Big john
Speaker 42: instilled all of, that all of that knowledge in us
Speaker 42: through throughout his tutelage of. Doing during my years At.
Speaker 6: GEORGIA i got a short story About Big. John we
Speaker 6: was In Golden state together AND i just came from
Speaker 6: the team AND i. BEHIND i had a little trouble
Speaker 6: the two seasons, before BUT i had an interesting story
Speaker 6: AND i was coming back playing well and. Junk they
Speaker 6: wanted to do. It jones working for TN t and
Speaker 6: they was doing through That sunday special On Baron. Davis,
Speaker 6: well he convinced them to do it on me and
Speaker 6: tell my. Story had my mom come because it was
Speaker 6: A Mother's day, game and he did a story on me.
Speaker 5: And my mom For Mother's. Day but he FORCED t
Speaker 5: AND t to do, That so that shows the.
Speaker 6: Character, yeah and it meant a lot to me BECAUSE
Speaker 6: i needed at the time BECAUSE i was getting so
Speaker 6: much bad. Press he wanted to get me some good
Speaker 6: press On Mother's day with my. Mama so, yeah, yeah
Speaker 6: and like my mama tell this story to, hus she
Speaker 6: gets tear outed because she knew WHAT i was going
Speaker 6: through at the. Time so for me and her to
Speaker 6: do that on NATIONAL, tv it was. Great SO i
Speaker 6: was at The Big.
Speaker 42: John, yeah you know when When john walked out of
Speaker 42: that that game Protesting prop forty. Two that was huge
Speaker 42: for all young black athletes and it just defined the
Speaker 42: character of Who Big john was all, about you, know
Speaker 42: he was about bringing up the next generation man and he,
Speaker 42: knows he knew that if that was, implemented then that
Speaker 42: would have kept a lot of young people of color
Speaker 42: from getting quality education and experience.
Speaker 5: In higher learning and getting an. Opportunity you.
Speaker 42: Know so that kind of speaks to the man that he,
Speaker 42: was you, know and he taught us, accordingly you, know
Speaker 42: based on those.
Speaker 5: Things his gym was like his.
Speaker 42: Classroom he received a lot of criticism because he closed his,
Speaker 42: doors he didn't allow any, media and because he wanted
Speaker 42: to teach us the way actions without a, distraction without
Speaker 42: being dissected or. Ridiculed for his teaching tactics they worked for.
Speaker 42: Us we all turn out, all you, know because of.
Speaker 42: It you know What i'm, saying it was tough love.
Speaker 42: Too it was a tough love type of teaching type of.
Speaker 42: Coaching what we, needed, though.
Speaker 1: Was love behind. Them AND i feel like that's what
Speaker 1: can't be translated these. Days everything we're saying is coming
Speaker 1: from a place of, love but it just it's not
Speaker 1: translated the, same you, know individuals are trying to give
Speaker 1: it To.
Speaker 5: No, no you're, Right you're definitely right about.
Speaker 1: That and then now.
Speaker 42: Players don't receive it quite like we received it back.
Speaker 42: Then LIKE i, said you, know the word fragile is
Speaker 42: used quite a bit because unfortunately it's hard.
Speaker 5: To say the things that need to be said to.
Speaker 42: People it's hard to say those things that need to
Speaker 42: be said to these, players you, know because they take
Speaker 42: offense to, it and you know they're fragile from that,
Speaker 42: perspective you, know when ultimately it's about helping you improve
Speaker 42: your way of.
Speaker 1: Thinking that's, right that's what we were talking to.
Speaker 5: Prove your way of, thanking you, know so you can be.
Speaker 5: Successful that's all it's.
Speaker 1: About you LED sc to back to back national titles
Speaker 1: and we're named. TOURNAMENT i was.
Speaker 34: ONE i was one of many on that.
Speaker 1: Team yeah you, helped thank, You, yes thank. YOU i.
Speaker 34: ASSISTED i love THAT i. Assisted but you.
Speaker 1: Were also NAMED mvp both, times so you did a
Speaker 1: little bit more than. That what was the environment like back,
Speaker 1: THEN i, mean obviously the. Press i'm A ucla, guy
Speaker 1: but always had a lot of respect for WHAT sc
Speaker 1: has always meant in the sports. World what WAS la
Speaker 1: like back then for?
Speaker 34: You and this is the one thing that did bother,
Speaker 34: me you, know forget you SAID la you, know just the.
Speaker 34: Rivalry what really used to mess with all the, sisters
Speaker 34: like the female athletes AT. Sc why did all the
Speaker 34: good looking brothers go TO U s L.
Speaker 1: A i don't, know, REAL.
Speaker 32: I don't, KNOW i don't, KNOW i don't Know, Jack,
Speaker 32: like that's not just you, KNOW i, mean oh my,
Speaker 32: god DID i need to hear this?
Speaker 5: Today this is this is why Our.
Speaker 34: Liz was, like come, on but, yeah, yeah but, Anyways
Speaker 34: i'm just thinking about all the guys that, okay cat
Speaker 34: me go Somewhere russian.
Speaker 1: Never you're, saying huh what was? THAT i, MEAN i,
Speaker 1: remember you, know us playing. There we never really looked at.
Speaker 1: IT i don't think maybe the school or that the
Speaker 1: students looked at. It LIKE i didn't have an issue
Speaker 1: with nobody on S. C i actually LOVED sc football
Speaker 1: because that's back when they Had Reggie bush and all those. Guys,
Speaker 1: like did you guys look at it as like F
Speaker 1: U c L. A or was it just more? Fun it?
Speaker 34: Was it Was it was a RIVALRY usc in the, hood,
Speaker 34: though ain't.
Speaker 24: It?
Speaker 34: Yeah oh back in the. Day, oh back in the.
Speaker 34: Day it was, like you, know you get your game
Speaker 34: on like this and then you, know you cross the.
Speaker 8: Street yeah, yeah, YEAH i heard, yeah.
Speaker 5: Making sure you, know in the middle of.
Speaker 1: It it was no.
Speaker 34: Joke you turned down that wrong alley if you want.
Speaker 34: To and that was another. Thing, yeah we we lived
Speaker 34: in Real Los.
Speaker 5: Angeles you got up on the, yeah, yeah, Yeah I'm
Speaker 5: i'm more usc yeah yeah about.
Speaker 34: That but when it came when it came to to
Speaker 34: basketball And, reggie, YEAH i MEAN i wouldn't wear anything
Speaker 34: you se l. A BUT i made sure that there
Speaker 34: was nobody up in the stands that had a thought
Speaker 34: in their.
Speaker 5: Mouth, yeah, YEAH i love, it do.
Speaker 1: It this is the SAME i, mean the same time
Speaker 1: you're you're winning, championships The Showtime lakers are winning championships as.
Speaker 5: Well so what we.
Speaker 8: Were.
Speaker 34: Showtime, look our our practices were. Brutal i've Got Cynthia
Speaker 34: cooper running her. Mouth Tracy, longo nobody, remember well she
Speaker 34: was my, height white girl that could jump out the,
Speaker 34: gym and we battled each other throughout high. School you
Speaker 34: had the McGee, twins and you, know we Had Ronda,
Speaker 34: windham a point guard from The. Bronx so we had
Speaker 34: a little bit of. Everything so our, practices coach just
Speaker 34: basically rolled out the ball was. Great in allowing us
Speaker 34: to be who we. Are our personalities would step in
Speaker 34: when we you, know got a little. Twisted but the
Speaker 34: games were the fun, part practices where we honed, ourselves
Speaker 34: our skills and everything. Else we had to check our
Speaker 34: egos at the you, know and that was our, Captain Juliet.
Speaker 34: Robinson check your ego at the. Door and once we
Speaker 34: stepped on the, floor it was about.
Speaker 8: Business it.
Speaker 34: Was and then you had the you, know we Had
Speaker 34: magic and The lakers and you know them coming in
Speaker 34: occasionally watching us. Play and we were playing at the
Speaker 34: time at The Sports. Arena so, yeah we were. SHOWTIME
Speaker 34: i love.
Speaker 1: IT i love. It i'm gonna give you some. NAMES
Speaker 1: i want you to tell me what you. Think Debora, robins,
Speaker 1: oh just like a.
Speaker 34: Brother she was A rebounders sister. Right pam McGee did
Speaker 34: her dirty in the in the championship game because she
Speaker 34: got in her ear started talking to, her, SAY i
Speaker 34: can't Believe Kim molky just missed.
Speaker 8: That you were wide.
Speaker 34: Open you had me pinned talking to her throughout the.
Speaker 8: Game, MAN i.
Speaker 34: Can't Believe Kim molky just Sat Janice, lawrence won't you
Speaker 34: even pass You out's a high loan and you got
Speaker 34: me pinned behind and then all of a sudden she starts,
Speaker 34: talking why did you give any the ball? Him now
Speaker 34: there's A i mean so she, talented but she, yeah
Speaker 34: she she had some things going on.
Speaker 8: Like, her like her.
Speaker 1: Brother. Uh pam McGee one of my former, Teammates Mom
Speaker 1: JaVale McGee's, Mom.
Speaker 34: Pam hardest working, block the, block, hustle, rebounder will not
Speaker 34: be denied on the. Boards physical funny with you, know
Speaker 34: she would pause to things Sometimes i'm, like are you hearing?
Speaker 34: Something BUT i now know she was just pausing the.
Speaker 1: Thing you.
Speaker 34: Know, yeah great, Teammate great.
Speaker 1: Teammates Cynthia cooper who.
Speaker 34: We could not SEE i to eye on.
Speaker 8: Anything Shacking. Kobe oh it, Was AND i will say she.
Speaker 5: Was she Was.
Speaker 34: Kobe AND i had some shock in her BECAUSE i
Speaker 34: HAD i had some shock in Mere. Kobe you can be,
Speaker 34: you but you ain't gonna tell me how to, do.
Speaker 5: You?
Speaker 34: Know AND i WOULD i would sit, There i'm, Like,
Speaker 34: cooper do you ever shut? Up let me just ADD
Speaker 34: i just do you ever shut? Up and?
Speaker 8: Older?
Speaker 34: Older and AND i was, look coming out of high,
Speaker 34: school you're hearing you the end all be. ALL i
Speaker 34: started drinking my kool laid at a very young. Age
Speaker 34: so NOW i got this other mouth who wants to
Speaker 34: go at. Me i've, got you, know And i'm. LOOK
Speaker 34: i KNEW i was, good BUT i didn't BELIEVE i was.
Speaker 8: Good SO i WAS i was.
Speaker 34: Insecure so you're gonna challenge. ME i ain't.
Speaker 5: Gonna ain't no.
Speaker 34: PUNK i mean live At, riverside BUT i ain't no.
Speaker 34: Punk so she would come out from watch and she
Speaker 34: would say That i'm From i'm.
Speaker 1: Like an.
Speaker 5: Taste the, same, yeah.
Speaker 34: The, same want to you, KNOW i mean we were,
Speaker 34: SITTING i, mean you, know and you know the twins
Speaker 34: are Like. Suerrel she's From watson that With.
Speaker 8: PAPA i don't, care no no.
Speaker 34: Da but on the, court. Simpotico, yeah. Simpotico BUT i
Speaker 34: will say one, thing a couple of things About, CYNTHIA
Speaker 34: a self, made driven Superstar hall Of, famer so well.
Speaker 1: Deserved, last but not, Least kim Moulk oh.
Speaker 34: COACH i used to call her dead Of. South you
Speaker 34: just dead Of South South, South brilliant basketball, mind TREMENDOUS,
Speaker 34: iq great floor, general fierce, competitor is the one one
Speaker 34: of the should have been the starter of The olympic.
Speaker 8: Team hands. Down, really who was the? Starter Lee? Henry? Hmm,
Speaker 8: Interesting and.
Speaker 34: That Was pat's, Player Pat, summit the late Great Pat.
Speaker 34: Summits But Kim, maulky hands, down should have been the
Speaker 34: starter Because i'm telling you when when she would come,
Speaker 34: in she's, Like, MILLER i just need you to, fly
Speaker 34: you just. Fly i'll get the ball to. Her she
Speaker 34: would get that. Ball she already knew where everybody was
Speaker 34: because she could play the game with her eyes closed
Speaker 34: and would know what, passed when it hit, it timing
Speaker 34: and everything. Else barking, this knew your, position your, cut
Speaker 34: where you should have. BEEN i can't believe you're still out.
Speaker 1: HERE i mean.
Speaker 34: Everything so to watch her and to play against, Her
Speaker 34: playing against her was a. Pain playing with her a.
Speaker 34: Joy no surprise at her success as a head.
Speaker 5: Coach is she?
Speaker 1: Misunderstood she kind of gets a bad rap now, swaggy
Speaker 1: she's doing her.
Speaker 8: Way, Man kim is, Killed, Kim kim.
Speaker 1: Wait kim is never never broke. Character huh my, love
Speaker 1: that never broke.
Speaker 34: Character.
Speaker 27: Character what you see is what you get if you
Speaker 27: don't like, it fuck it fresh, Too oh, yeah.
Speaker 34: Oh, yeah she just you, know she's she's the Female.
Speaker 1: Labaraci shequille O'Neill comes TO l S. U what's your
Speaker 1: first early memories Of?
Speaker 43: Shock gigantic guy like in, shape, confident. Playful oh AND
Speaker 43: i remember him saying in the dorm one, day this
Speaker 43: is before contracts even exploded the way they. Did He's
Speaker 43: i'm gonna be the first guy to make eighty.
Speaker 23: Million he wait made way.
Speaker 8: More but he was. Man he was he was he was.
Speaker 43: Relentless you could see the passion in his. Game he
Speaker 43: was a people's. Person you know the way he is,
Speaker 43: now very, playful. Comical BUT i knew that we you,
Speaker 43: know we had something, special but we just couldn't put it.
Speaker 1: Together, obviously you were highly, touted. Decorated shack was. SHOCKED
Speaker 1: i Think Stanley roberts gets lost in the. Mix how
Speaker 1: good Was Stanley?
Speaker 6: Roberts not for me BECAUSE i grew up lived a
Speaker 6: couple of miles from. There, no they had the original
Speaker 6: two big fellas in. Him Like stanley did not get.
Speaker 6: Overshadowed if you WATCHED l S u and if he
Speaker 6: was from that, area he was just as big As.
Speaker 8: Shaq trust, me he was just as big.
Speaker 1: As shock From california in the. Area that's just the
Speaker 1: big As. Shack, yeah but in the grand scheme of
Speaker 1: Things nationwide talked to us About Stanley robinson what his
Speaker 1: game was.
Speaker 43: Like, stanley by far was way more talented and skillful His.
Speaker 43: Shack stanley could shoot, it he could shoot.
Speaker 23: His free, throw and he can take you.
Speaker 43: Down and now he didn't have the shock bringing it
Speaker 43: up home. Corner but outside of, that and Even shack
Speaker 43: Admitted shack, said, Look stanley dominated.
Speaker 23: Him, uh the only thing Was, stanley. Man and he'll
Speaker 23: tell you to this.
Speaker 43: Day we're At we're at a convention at l S
Speaker 43: u some years ago BECAUSE i hardly ever get. Back
Speaker 43: And stanley was eating in a ball you, know we're basketball.
Speaker 43: Players was a ball roll.
Speaker 23: By we're gonna grab it and touch. It sam was
Speaker 23: eating talking ball rolled, by looked at. It he just
Speaker 23: kept on me like AND i, LOOK i, said this, dude,
Speaker 23: seriously he.
Speaker 8: Don't want nothing to do with the game of.
Speaker 5: Basketball but that's just.
Speaker 43: Him even when he was playing, man he JUST i
Speaker 43: had to And i'm NOT i could beat this, dude
Speaker 43: BUT i had to sometimes piss him.
Speaker 23: Off coach was, like, man.
Speaker 8: Get him in the.
Speaker 23: Scams ain't.
Speaker 1: He's.
Speaker 43: Eating give me the, Ball give me the, ball but
Speaker 43: he'll go, off but he'll be missed two three.
Speaker 23: Days he just show YOU i can do, this and
Speaker 23: then he.
Speaker 5: Won't so he didn't have.
Speaker 23: That discipline in that.
Speaker 43: Work AND i remember telling him one Timmer, MAN i, says,
Speaker 43: STAY i had tears of Mis.
Speaker 23: Man we talked to him BECAUSE i knew, HIM i
Speaker 23: Said Stanley.
Speaker 44: MAN i, said, man if you just work, hard be.
Speaker 44: CONSISTENT i, said, man you can write your, ticket you
Speaker 44: can name your. Price he looks at, me he, Said.
Speaker 44: Man at the, time my name Is, green Said Chris.
Speaker 44: MAN i appreciate.
Speaker 5: You.
Speaker 23: Man he, said, man but he's.
Speaker 8: Angle, listen he's A AND i knew he was telling the.
Speaker 23: TRUTH i seen even man make my eyes water WHEN
Speaker 23: i think about.
Speaker 8: IT i, said, man this.
Speaker 5: Dude as so much. Man so.
Speaker 1: Uh and the, Documentary shack spoke to a particular performance
Speaker 1: where you had forty points Against Mississippi state on the,
Speaker 1: Road confederate flags in the, stands, yelling going. Crazy he
Speaker 1: said that was the single greatest performance he's ever, seen
Speaker 1: playing With, kobe playing in the league all these. Years he,
Speaker 1: said what you did in that game he'll always remember
Speaker 1: is the greatest single performance taught to us about that
Speaker 1: game and just the environment when you're coming back home
Speaker 1: and it seems like your home is against.
Speaker 5: You it ain't no.
Speaker 43: Scene, yeah it would definitely gets as soon AS i
Speaker 43: walked out and they saw my feet coming out of
Speaker 43: the tunnel started.
Speaker 5: That was a great.
Speaker 43: GAME i WOULDN'T i would have thought that would be
Speaker 43: the game that he. Say, HOWEVER i do remember that,
Speaker 43: game AND i Remember dale got extremely upset because he
Speaker 43: didn't like going To. Mississippi he didn't like if it
Speaker 43: was his, preference he wouldn't have he would have flew,
Speaker 43: in played and, left wouldn't have, bought wouldn't have spent
Speaker 43: money in the. Hotel he spent money in a. Motel
Speaker 43: we said the. Motel he wanted to spend the least.
Speaker 43: Amount but that was appeared in the game With dale was,
Speaker 43: like you know, what AND i felt kind of. Awkward he, Said,
Speaker 43: okay y'all don't want to, play come down and shoot
Speaker 43: it every. Time i'm, like, YEAH i came down AND
Speaker 43: i was. Playing but if somebody's, OPEN i gotta give
Speaker 43: it to. Him BUT i THINK i don't know if
Speaker 43: we won that, game that particular, game but it was
Speaker 43: a stretch WHEN i JUST i just took control and went.
Speaker 43: Off And i'm definitely thinking that's what he's referring. To
Speaker 43: so it's good that he at least remembers.
Speaker 1: It, Yeah can you speak to the importance Of Dale,
Speaker 1: brown because even in the documentary he was just still
Speaker 1: so high on you and have so much love for
Speaker 1: who you were the, man not just a basketball. Player
Speaker 1: but speak to his importance in your, journey, Man.
Speaker 43: Dale they came to recruit me In, mississippi and one
Speaker 43: of the, reasons the main REASONS i.
Speaker 23: Went there actually is BECAUSE.
Speaker 1: I know better.
Speaker 43: Now you, KNOW i do believe that athletes should get paid,
Speaker 43: Right BUT i was a little. SCARY i didn't want
Speaker 43: anything to mess up my. Career and they just came
Speaker 43: off OF i think, suspension something Hot williams out OF
Speaker 43: i forget his name out Of. California but, man they
Speaker 43: never when he came to everybody else is offering you
Speaker 43: stuff like you're gonna come and you're gonna start right,
Speaker 43: away blah blah, Blah and my young, Mind i'm said to,
Speaker 43: myself we don't even know what tomorrow's gonna. Bring how
Speaker 43: could you offer me, something somebody else may come in
Speaker 43: And i'll play. Me AND i just always felt funny about.
Speaker 43: That but they came in and he, said, listen we
Speaker 43: got fair. Serving you, know we believe that you can
Speaker 43: play about believing your. Talent if you show us that this.
Speaker 5: Is who you, are you gonna.
Speaker 43: Play and you, Know i'm kind of like old, school
Speaker 43: you know WHAT i, mean like, Okay and they was
Speaker 43: just straight up with, me AND i just. SHOOK i
Speaker 43: just shook that head AND i, said, Listen i'm coming TO.
Speaker 43: Lsu BUT i kept a quiet for a while BECAUSE
Speaker 43: i was told In mississippi you want to Keep mississippi
Speaker 43: schools BECAUSE i was.
Speaker 23: OUT i wasn't out of high school, yet so.
Speaker 43: They say keep one of them or so on the
Speaker 43: list because you don't want them to start giving you,
Speaker 43: problems you. Know so that's WHY i kept The mississippi
Speaker 43: school on the.
Speaker 1: List BUT i.
Speaker 43: Already knew THAT i wanted to go out as you
Speaker 43: and so the other thing That clinchton was coach. Cars
Speaker 43: we talked like thousands of, hours about a thousand. Hours
Speaker 43: ninety something percent of them had nothing to do with,
Speaker 43: basketball and so to me that meant a lot like these.
Speaker 43: People you, know potentially you're gonna you, know they're gonna
Speaker 43: they're gonna care for.
Speaker 5: Me more than the.
Speaker 23: Game and uh he held true to his. Promise, UH
Speaker 23: i mean to to his.
Speaker 5: Word AND i got.
Speaker 43: There he saw it and he just, said, hey, MAN
Speaker 43: i want you to go for broke and uh and
Speaker 43: he trusted me. Too he knew, That, OKAY i wasn't
Speaker 43: just gonna be a releegaate with, it you. Know and
Speaker 43: uh so and he, also, man he gave. Me he
Speaker 43: was the one that influenced, me that led me to
Speaker 43: more and so to a slam because he gave me
Speaker 43: the autobiography because he.
Speaker 5: Read he.
Speaker 43: Read all the, time and he had so many connections
Speaker 43: whether you know different, people, man whether It's Dick, Gregory
Speaker 43: pharaoh coh and you name.
Speaker 23: It and he would always hand us material to read
Speaker 23: and tell us what we.
Speaker 8: Thought you.
Speaker 43: Know BECAUSE i came, OUT i almost didn't make, it,
Speaker 43: MAN i, failed uh THE A C t the first
Speaker 43: time and then the second. Time and if it wasn't
Speaker 43: for a doctor that instilled in this woman to have
Speaker 43: the classes, PRIVATELY i probably would have been a prop
Speaker 43: forty eight Like. Stanley BUT i was able to pass,
Speaker 43: it AND i came. In but the whole time AT,
Speaker 43: Lsu man they put me in a remedia reading. CLASS
Speaker 43: i could, READ i could, spell you, know but my
Speaker 43: comprehension skills wasn't, great my critical thinking. Skills so they
Speaker 43: would ask me questions prior to my being admitted in the, classes.
Speaker 8: Like what does have me to read?
Speaker 43: Something and said what does this? Mean oh, no what
Speaker 43: does this word? MEAN i don't KNOW i can spell,
Speaker 43: WORDS i ain't even know what they?
Speaker 23: Meant what does this word?
Speaker 5: MEAN i don't?
Speaker 23: Know what are you getting from the?
Speaker 43: STORY i was just, reading, MAN i was sounding, good
Speaker 43: AND i felt so humiliated, though and So Dale brown
Speaker 43: began to give me a little material here and THEN
Speaker 43: i would read.
Speaker 23: It what do you think about? This what do you
Speaker 23: think about?
Speaker 43: That and even WHEN i would give, interviews there were
Speaker 43: times he would, stop, hey, man tell them what you think,
Speaker 43: right because he saw me pussy footing.
Speaker 1: Around and so he would challenge all the smoke.
Speaker 23: Right then he put me in a summer.
Speaker 43: Job my summer job was with this guy Named Gus,
Speaker 43: wiles who was an author who had.
Speaker 5: To play his.
Speaker 43: Plays presenter of one of his plays presented On. Broadway
Speaker 43: So gus would come in and every MORNING i would
Speaker 43: sit my whole. THING i would come in five to
Speaker 43: ten minutes every. MORNING i would sit with him and
Speaker 43: we just, talked and in our conversations, informally he just
Speaker 43: injects certain ideas in terms of speech and.
Speaker 23: Everything and THEN i sit in my office And i'd
Speaker 23: read and they.
Speaker 8: Take me to.
Speaker 5: Lunch my whole day was reading and having.
Speaker 43: Conversations and then that next year WHEN i came and
Speaker 43: it was time to do, INTERVIEWS i was more, well
Speaker 43: more seasoned THAN i was here. Before and then that
Speaker 43: started to process me of wanting to know more and
Speaker 43: read more and to become more vocal and. Confident so,
Speaker 43: Yeah i'm indebted to him for.
Speaker 1: That college and SIX sec player of The year had
Speaker 1: to run to the final four for some badass school
Speaker 1: out there in That west coast with light skinned. Kids
Speaker 1: uh the. Tournament, yeah talk to us about. COLLEGE i
Speaker 1: CAN'T i Enjoyed washington BECAUSE i was already in the,
Speaker 1: league but you was.
Speaker 8: Putting in work in. College, BRO i can't stand, you.
Speaker 5: Motherfuckers.
Speaker 8: MAN i really can't like if you think about, That
Speaker 8: LIKE i got a.
Speaker 5: Problem With Jordan.
Speaker 6: Farmart you know WHAT i, MEAN i should we were
Speaker 6: supposed to beat them, boys but they were just so well.
Speaker 8: Coached the well they were so well, coached and that
Speaker 8: was just a great. EXPERIENCE i THINK i was.
Speaker 39: So caught up in the lights, too because you think
Speaker 39: four like they, had we was doing all type of,
Speaker 39: promo you know that your first tastes of the.
Speaker 8: Business, yeah like we're young, kids you, know we.
Speaker 6: DIDN'T i think the lights were so big for, us
Speaker 6: and you, know we we didn't expect to get, there,
Speaker 6: Right we know we were, good you know WHAT i,
Speaker 6: Mean but we did it some crazy stuff in college
Speaker 6: and we you, know lost to you.
Speaker 1: Guys best part of college for, You god damn LSU ls.
Speaker 8: Shoe they they showed a lot of.
Speaker 5: Love you was at, home but they.
Speaker 8: Were still, through you know WHAT i.
Speaker 27: Mean LIKE i just missed the atmosphere because you, know
Speaker 27: college was a Different college was like the pros for.
Speaker 8: Me it was like a BABY G league for, me you.
Speaker 2: Know WHAT i.
Speaker 8: MEAN i had a lot of. Fun like you, know
Speaker 8: we're a football, school so it was like.
Speaker 6: Basketball it was like, okay like a, surprise you, Know
Speaker 6: so you, KNOW i had some great.
Speaker 5: FUN i had a lot of fun in. COLLEGE i
Speaker 5: did my.
Speaker 6: Thing people don't understand how crazy those football games. Be
Speaker 6: like you can hit like the city like rumbles like miles.
Speaker 6: Away you can hear rumbles on the ground like an
Speaker 6: earthquake from that. Stadium, Bro, Bro Saturday night And Tiger
Speaker 6: stadium crazy as a basketball right that made me come
Speaker 6: to the.
Speaker 8: School yeah, right because.
Speaker 1: WHEN i went on my, visit you, know right around
Speaker 1: the corner AND i, WENT i seen, that and THEN
Speaker 1: i seen all the tramp girls in one, sanction and
Speaker 1: THEN i just seen all the.
Speaker 26: JOINTS i had to.
Speaker 5: Stay you, know it's, crazy you know What i'm.
Speaker 20: Saying unless you had you, know you, know and the
Speaker 20: prone bangs selling right down the.
Speaker 5: STREET i had to.
Speaker 8: Stay, yeah, yeah, yeah, YEAH i did. It yeah true or?
Speaker 1: False back to basketball right, house and by locked you
Speaker 1: up in that. Game oh that's.
Speaker 22: CAP i was about to, Say, bro about to, say
Speaker 22: you know you ain't letting.
Speaker 5: That Ryan hollins And.
Speaker 8: Moote, no there's a double.
Speaker 1: Team they still can't do. Nothing then they can't do
Speaker 1: nothing with, me, man right, now it's still in his.
Speaker 5: Stay they can't do.
Speaker 1: Nothing you end up playing With Rick patino On Kentucky
Speaker 1: were there any other colleges you really thought about going?
Speaker 1: To or is Always Kentucky.
Speaker 45: Midwest, guy so OBVIOUSLY i was. COMING i was right
Speaker 45: behind That michigan, run so definitely thought about going To.
Speaker 45: Michigan BUT i did like all of us. Did BUT
Speaker 45: i had ten home. VISITS i went on five Visits, Michigan,
Speaker 45: kentucky you N Lv. Illinois SO i took my regular
Speaker 45: tip five, visits have my ten and home visits and
Speaker 45: really kind of let the process play itself. Out BUT
Speaker 45: i just Love kentucky style. Play Mass buran was one
Speaker 45: of my favorite. Players Mass burn was, there AND i
Speaker 45: liked it because he was able to know he can
Speaker 45: handle he could shoot the. Three SO i felt, like,
Speaker 45: MAN i could fit into that that system right. There
Speaker 45: and then coach was telling me that mass was coming
Speaker 45: out that so we're gonna have room for you to
Speaker 45: come in and be able to play right. Away so
Speaker 45: that's what really intrigued me to go to go To
Speaker 45: kentucky because of the style of. Play AND i saw Mass,
Speaker 45: burn SO i was, like, man he gonna let me
Speaker 45: do and they't gonna take my game away from.
Speaker 1: Him talk to us About Rick patino and just your
Speaker 1: Whole kentucky.
Speaker 45: Experience love him the, yeah, man it was unbelievable for.
Speaker 45: Me WHEN i came, IN i, was you, know like
Speaker 45: an all of. US i was a young high, head
Speaker 45: you know WHAT i, mean THOUGHT i knew, everything and
Speaker 45: he humbled me and taught me how to work hard
Speaker 45: and put me in a good position to be the
Speaker 45: best basketball.
Speaker 5: Player BECAUSE i THOUGHT i was a point.
Speaker 8: Guard NO i.
Speaker 45: DID i was a point, GUARD i, mean BUT i
Speaker 45: THOUGHT i wanted to play the. Point he was, like,
Speaker 45: Look i'm gonna put you at this point forward stack.
Speaker 45: RIGHT i played the four me and watch. McCarty so
Speaker 45: we played you, Know walching not y'all know how wal
Speaker 45: was was kind of a four, two and we played the,
Speaker 45: four and he was, Like i'm gonna still let you.
Speaker 45: Handle i'm gonna let you do all your things and
Speaker 45: let you shoot the, three but we're gonna have a
Speaker 45: traditional point guard on the. Floor AND i the only
Speaker 45: THING i could do was stank, him, man and even
Speaker 45: take it a step. Further after my rookie, year you guys,
Speaker 45: know he came To boston and coached me In boston
Speaker 45: and made The All star, team turned me, loose put
Speaker 45: me at the. Four WHEN i came into the, PROS
Speaker 45: i was at the, three AND i MEAN i had
Speaker 45: a good rookie. Year every team and half made first
Speaker 45: Team All rookie, team played. Well but he was, like
Speaker 45: your advantage is.
Speaker 5: At the fool.
Speaker 45: Quickness he was, like, look you gotta go to the.
Speaker 45: Four he, SAID i know you don't want, to but he,
Speaker 45: said that's what you're gonna.
Speaker 1: Be was what was your playing weight when you first
Speaker 1: came in the.
Speaker 5: League came in at two thirty.
Speaker 45: FIVE i think WHEN i went in the, draft got
Speaker 45: to like two forty five and tapped out with the
Speaker 45: heat you, know you Know pat right, on that's. Around
Speaker 45: SO i played at like two fifty but the heat
Speaker 45: on the on the on the low seven eight percent
Speaker 45: body sack with past.
Speaker 5: Solid.
Speaker 45: Yeah but In boston WHEN i first came, IN i
Speaker 45: was like two thirty, five got to like two forty,
Speaker 45: five played around and wait and just stayed. There stayed
Speaker 45: in between two fifty, five like no more than two
Speaker 45: fifty five WHEN i, played BECAUSE i had to guard some,
Speaker 45: threes you know WHAT i. Mean that year we won a,
Speaker 45: Championship i'm guarding that, run the whole. Run i'm Going Richard,
Speaker 45: Jefferson Josh, howard you, know y'all, NIGGAS i can't chase y'all.
Speaker 45: Around i'm chasing y'all, around. Y'all i'm chasing y'all. Around,
Speaker 45: man these Screens Richard, Jefferson josh, chawdee boys like this.
Speaker 45: Moving that's how We but that's if coach loved YOU.
Speaker 45: D it was like twenty if you want to you
Speaker 45: want these. MINUTES i ain't budget on YOU. D you
Speaker 45: know you had a special special love for U. D
Speaker 45: So i'll moved to the, three whatever it.
Speaker 1: Takes but before we get back to the, league ninety
Speaker 1: Six National championship loaded TEAM td McCarty.
Speaker 45: Nine, pros nine pro nine. PROS i was just talking
Speaker 45: to somebody earlier about this. Today just unbelievable. Team the
Speaker 45: best thing that ever happened to us was that year
Speaker 45: and people and you guys can understand. Us in college
Speaker 45: we went on Our european. Trip so we got a
Speaker 45: chance that year to go on To european. Trip was
Speaker 45: going to be ranked number, one but that trip gave
Speaker 45: us idea of what we can really. Be and to
Speaker 45: be honest with you, MEAN i practice was tougher than our.
Speaker 45: Games and that's not bragging. Pros but our practice used
Speaker 45: to be strong because we was fighting for. Minutes, YEAH i,
Speaker 45: mean you, KNOW i let the team in minutes AND
Speaker 45: i THINK i only average like twenty seven twenty eight.
Speaker 45: Minutes but we our. Marching the victory was twenty four
Speaker 45: to twenty, five you know WHAT i. Mean so we
Speaker 45: blew out a lot of, teams so we didn't get
Speaker 45: a chance to finish a lot of.
Speaker 5: Games BUT i love that. Team we're still together. Today.
Speaker 45: Man we got a group chat that we all stay,
Speaker 45: on you, know wishing each other happy, birthday, holidays. Everything,
Speaker 45: man we stay in really good, contact really special group
Speaker 45: and that we still all friends too to this.
Speaker 5: Day SO i loved that about that.
Speaker 1: Group did y'all have like AN a team and A b?
Speaker 5: Team, like let me tell you what's.
Speaker 45: Funny we didn't have AN amb, team but you know
Speaker 45: what he did start that, Year he started A jv.
Speaker 6: Team so let me tell you Why i'm asking you.
Speaker 6: THAT i know why you asked, me because we bust
Speaker 6: they ass WHEN i was their old. Kid, YEP i
Speaker 6: was a senior high school and they brought up seated because.
Speaker 5: Y'all didn't play. Y'all y'all was THE a team to? Me, yeah, no, no,
Speaker 5: no this is what.
Speaker 45: Happened Nazi, Muhammad, Yes Nazi muhammad came in and signed WITH.
Speaker 45: Us nazi people don't. Notice naves was like three fifty
Speaker 45: three sixty when he came into, college lost one hundred.
Speaker 8: Pounds coach he used to be on him every.
Speaker 45: Day, man he had to work out twice a day plus,
Speaker 45: practice get all his way. Off but he created A
Speaker 45: jv team for nas really so That nis had his own.
Speaker 45: Schedule so he had him and Like Wayne, Turner wayne
Speaker 45: played a couple of. Games but stack don't get you.
Speaker 45: Busted it wasn't. Y'all y'all wasn't. There there was some
Speaker 45: managers on the. Team it was like we.
Speaker 1: Was we was in high.
Speaker 5: SCHOOL i know that everybody's in. College that's, true that's
Speaker 5: you know What i'm.
Speaker 8: Saying so in my, mind oh, yeah it's going.
Speaker 5: Down we bust that.
Speaker 8: Ass but but at the same, time you, Know i'm
Speaker 8: gonna keep it.
Speaker 5: Funking we, knew y'all wasn't, there you know What i'm.
Speaker 8: Saying we knew all the best players and starters wasn't.
Speaker 8: There but that still was a game for us to get.
Speaker 5: Up that was doff for ours so he could be
Speaker 5: out of.
Speaker 6: Play that's, crazy huh right true facts you, Right okay
Speaker 6: was a regularigh school, Either that's.
Speaker 45: True Ron, Mercy, YEAH i heard, stories but Now i'm
Speaker 45: saying that. That but that team was. CREATING i never knew.
Speaker 45: That nobody know. That that was created to get him in. Shape,
Speaker 45: yeah get him in, shape and to give him some playing,
Speaker 45: time you, KNOW i, MEAN i think it was another
Speaker 45: player on the. TEAM i can't think of start that.
Speaker 45: Year ye want, Year we wanted t D Tony, Delk walter, McCarty,
Speaker 45: Myself Derek, Anderson derek that.
Speaker 8: Was WHAT i was thinking.
Speaker 45: About And Mark pope with none of them in The
Speaker 45: Screenwach Mark, Pope Mark pope and Sometimes pope won That Jeff,
Speaker 45: shepherd you know we got? Ship is that his the
Speaker 45: sons That, kentucky that's his.
Speaker 1: Son that's that's his. Son jumped back to, college, man
Speaker 1: because you had a motherfucking legendary, career legendary, teammates legendary.
Speaker 1: Coach tell me what that experience. Is Because jack went
Speaker 1: straight to the. League BUT i went to U.
Speaker 5: C L.
Speaker 1: A and it was the best time of my dumb
Speaker 1: dumb you want to.
Speaker 5: You never keep riding with. YOU i can't fant, that damn, Tests.
Speaker 8: Bro.
Speaker 26: You ain't telling me. NOTHING i don't.
Speaker 46: KNOW i know a lot of people that go over
Speaker 46: seas for that, day, right but that one THING i wouldn't, say, Though,
Speaker 46: jackie you ever had the, Opportunity, bro that would have
Speaker 46: been your best time.
Speaker 26: Ever Man like for, ME i KNEW i was going.
Speaker 46: For eight, months you know WHAT i. Mean but Like i'm, like,
Speaker 46: Yo i'm here to win a. CHAMPIONSHIP i don't win it,
Speaker 46: cool But i'm gonna have this most fun never and
Speaker 46: to being able to go to, class to get up
Speaker 46: and grind every, day man like we. Had, bro WHEN
Speaker 46: i tell you coach won the crazy coach at like two,
Speaker 46: WEEKS i see. YOU i THINK i picked the wrong.
Speaker 46: SCHOOL i want to. TRANSFER i call my. Mom she was,
Speaker 46: like she was, like, boy you stink like. This every
Speaker 46: morning we had to be on a suicide. Line we
Speaker 46: had twenty suicides in twenty minutes at six am.
Speaker 26: Every day with summer.
Speaker 46: School so like our first ten suicides is like the
Speaker 46: basic one free throw. Line then then the last team
Speaker 46: was baseline baseline other free throw line like And i'm.
Speaker 26: Like, yo DID i like this is not?
Speaker 46: Basketball yeah type. Thing SO i tell you one of
Speaker 46: the funnyest stories is we run a. Suicide we got
Speaker 46: like four left and like the guards had to, finish
Speaker 46: like twenty eight bigs had to finish like thirty.
Speaker 26: Five the markets feet caught on, fire like stopped, running
Speaker 26: like he, really he's mean. Suicide he mean.
Speaker 46: Suicide he run to the silence AND i, Quit, MAN i,
Speaker 46: quit like my feet.
Speaker 26: BURN i ain't doing it no.
Speaker 46: More Coach, kyle he was one to be All, billies
Speaker 46: so he was, like you know what if he would
Speaker 46: have finished the, SUICIDE i don't give you.
Speaker 26: All tomorrow, off knowing he wasn't gonna give us, off
Speaker 26: just trying to use.
Speaker 46: It so we got suicide this. Morning, man the market
Speaker 46: is sitting at half. Court he ain't got a. Run
Speaker 46: you know the reason why we gotta run to. That
Speaker 46: he's sitting at half, court no. Running we all look
Speaker 46: at him, like, yo we gotta jump him after this because,
Speaker 46: like no, way we gotta run. Suicide he ain't got a.
Speaker 46: Run but we don't want about beating the markets up back,
Speaker 46: then no. Way but, yeah Like jack that that.
Speaker 5: School.
Speaker 46: Man it was the most fun, ever, man just being
Speaker 46: able to prepare every, week having maybe two or three,
Speaker 46: games and the.
Speaker 26: Most fun with me was going on the, Road like
Speaker 26: you don't get.
Speaker 46: That you don't get that atmosphere and that that coach
Speaker 46: they brought well talking trash and it's just you and
Speaker 46: your your fourteen guys and you're going out there to
Speaker 46: go to batle and go to war and it's like
Speaker 46: you gotta win and survive out. Here ain't nobody on your,
Speaker 46: side and you, Know kentucky fans, trays but it feels
Speaker 46: like it still didn't feel like a home game because
Speaker 46: the way they were.
Speaker 26: Treating but it was. Dope. Man you couldn't ask for nothing.
Speaker 26: Better and like, everyone for me.
Speaker 46: Being number one, PICK i wanted to go back to
Speaker 46: school just when The National championship just to get that
Speaker 46: atmosphere and that like fun and high sighting that.
Speaker 1: Was tell me about what that team was like because
Speaker 1: you played with a lot OF nba players in. College
Speaker 1: your team was rock star, status you. KNOW i mean
Speaker 1: that's what social media just started hitting like y'all was
Speaker 1: the ship you lived, Buggies like what was? That?
Speaker 46: Like it was so man, like we stayed in The Wildcat,
Speaker 46: lodge and like we walked like outside our building where we.
Speaker 26: Stayed in the practice Was Wildcat.
Speaker 46: Live it's like where the players, stay but we got
Speaker 46: to let like ten regular students, states so the like
Speaker 46: you get extra. Benefits it's like where we, stayed like
Speaker 46: have an, apartment so we had like a game room
Speaker 46: and all in. There but like from here to like ten,
Speaker 46: steps it's like where we practiced, at but it would
Speaker 46: be like sixty seventy cars and people even auto grads
Speaker 46: every day.
Speaker 26: And we couldn't get away from.
Speaker 46: Them so it was, like, yo we can't even want to,
Speaker 46: class BUT i so like we started like using a
Speaker 46: golf cart go to.
Speaker 26: Class football team got. Mad they told her we couldn't.
Speaker 5: Use it no, more so we had to.
Speaker 26: Walk it's like it was so cold walking backwards the.
Speaker 46: Class but what was so fun about that year was you,
Speaker 46: know nobody like the returning players that, came Like Patrick
Speaker 46: pattinson And Ramon harris And Darris.
Speaker 26: Miller none of these gotten never played For.
Speaker 46: Cols so like the freshman's in there in the upper,
Speaker 46: classmen it's all something new for all of. Us so
Speaker 46: like they didn't know what Coach kyle was looking. For
Speaker 46: we didn't know what Coach kyle's looking, for so we
Speaker 46: all had to bond and come. Together but we did everything.
Speaker 26: Together.
Speaker 46: Bro we went bowling, together out to eat, together like
Speaker 46: we treated like you do as a league team that
Speaker 46: has great commoderie and one of those good teams because
Speaker 46: they hang out.
Speaker 26: Together it was a league.
Speaker 5: Team just about to say.
Speaker 46: Like we had all the other guys that've kind of,
Speaker 46: like you, know like if you got like, Me pat
Speaker 46: the markets he bled, like we, know were about to.
Speaker 46: Go but all the other guys, like, man they ain't
Speaker 46: gonna hang with. Us they don't really walk with. Us
Speaker 46: but we're, like, nah, bro we all the brothers all
Speaker 46: like we go on the water fight every. Night if
Speaker 46: one guy get, hurt the fift team guy gonna hang with.
Speaker 46: Him so they have like the guy they didn't think
Speaker 46: they was a part of our crew all to get.
Speaker 46: Together that's why our team was so fun and having
Speaker 46: so much and we were just doing whatever man like we.
Speaker 46: Could nothing was wrong for us to do in college
Speaker 46: at the. Time we walked in the corner stores, like oh,
Speaker 46: man that them guys, again.
Speaker 1: Right we're, here that's us college college was the outside
Speaker 1: of having children and being blessed to play in the,
Speaker 1: League like college was the funnest time of my. Life,
Speaker 1: man you in L.
Speaker 8: A you AT u S, la SO i know you
Speaker 8: was having a.
Speaker 1: Blast, yeah but, SEE i THINK i think different Because
Speaker 1: la IS la and it's so big and there's so
Speaker 1: much other shit to, do you know WHAT i. Mean
Speaker 1: so it's not you went to where motherfucking religious. RELIGION
Speaker 1: i remember the best. Part obviously going there was. Dope
Speaker 1: but my freshman year in ninety eight was THE nba,
Speaker 1: lockout so we had everybody at our. Game So i'm
Speaker 1: tripping coming from Like, Sacramento, like. Motherfucker we Got shaq
Speaker 1: And kobe at our. Game we got movie stars like
Speaker 1: and we Got snoop coming to our, game And i'm, like,
Speaker 1: damn this is WHAT ucla is. About, like this ship
Speaker 1: was a, trip but it was because there was THE nba,
Speaker 1: lockout so we had hell OF nba players at our
Speaker 1: game front and, center And i'm just, Like, yo this
Speaker 1: ship can't be. Real like it was just like that
Speaker 1: Real Li lah laying type. Ship and that's WHAT i
Speaker 1: just fell in love. With this, ship, Bro that ship
Speaker 1: was a. Blast that was my plan to go TO.
Speaker 32: I had we had the number of recruiting class that
Speaker 32: year At, arizona, Me Mike, bibbie And Eugenie. Kinson we
Speaker 32: had the number class.
Speaker 26: Year, okay, yeah y'all was. Loaded, YEAH i remember that class.
Speaker 32: Yea and we already Had Michael, Dickinson Miles. Simon we
Speaker 32: had all them guys. Already so we was going there
Speaker 32: and they end up winning national. Championship so it was
Speaker 32: supposed to work out my. ASS i couldn't stay. Out
Speaker 32: the club test was at. Eight i'm leaving the club
Speaker 32: at five. Thirty that that wasn't gonna.
Speaker 26: WORK i ain't gonna.
Speaker 25: Lie.
Speaker 26: Man first TIME i take that, test, MAN i fell.
Speaker 46: ASLEEP i was, like, MAN i don't need they come.
Speaker 5: Back all.
Speaker 46: Right i'm gonna tell you what day you're gonna be
Speaker 46: figuring something. ELSE i, said all, right, NOW i gotta
Speaker 46: lock it. Up brought me and snacked the second. Time first,
Speaker 46: time ain't bring no, Snack no.
Speaker 26: CAUL i got. This, YEAH i mean feeling names, wrong
Speaker 26: doing all. That you better get this. Right are you
Speaker 26: gonna be hurting.
Speaker 1: You as the head. Coach former head coach Of Saint
Speaker 1: pete made a HISTORICAL ncaa run this Past. March before
Speaker 1: we talk about that, run tell us how that job came.
Speaker 5: About, oh you the.
Speaker 47: Ad that we used to be THE ad At Saint.
Speaker 47: Peter's he worked with me At Seaton hall for eight
Speaker 47: years and we got the job over.
Speaker 5: There he called me.
Speaker 47: Up you, KNOW i trust, him you, KNOW i believe
Speaker 47: in his. Vision gave my first opportunity and then the
Speaker 47: rest is kind of.
Speaker 1: History what was that experience, like, obviously you, know coming
Speaker 1: From Seaton, hall going to a smaller, college but then
Speaker 1: being able to build them up not only into A
Speaker 1: cinderella story but just a well disciplined team that played,
Speaker 1: hard had a lot of.
Speaker 5: Heart what was.
Speaker 1: That talk to us about that process and how that.
Speaker 47: Happened you know it was at first it was, tough,
Speaker 47: right anytime you go from a high major to a low, Major,
Speaker 47: right things that you're not used, to you, know far
Speaker 47: as budget and how you travel and you, know having
Speaker 47: the strength coach and things like. That SO i had
Speaker 47: to work through all that. Stuff but at the end
Speaker 47: of the, day to be honest with, you met which
Speaker 47: we just got a dude that won the, ball, Right
Speaker 47: this dude that was, hungry had chip on his shoulder
Speaker 47: that was. Underrecruited people didn't believe in. THEM i bought them.
Speaker 47: In you, KNOW i like tough. GUYS i played a certain,
Speaker 47: way SO i want gods to fit my, personality, Right
Speaker 47: so WHEN i was going through the process of recruiting,
Speaker 47: GUYS i wanted guys like, That gods that you, know
Speaker 47: just hungry and it's got something to prove that wanted
Speaker 47: to you, know eat your, food you feel. Me and
Speaker 47: that's kind of the GUYS i bought. In and you,
Speaker 47: know it was a build up for three years and
Speaker 47: to be hones, YOU i thought year two we had
Speaker 47: a good chance of doing something special WITH covid hit
Speaker 47: and then year, three you, know we kind of went
Speaker 47: up and. Down then you, know fourth year we kind
Speaker 47: of payed together and kind of made this run.
Speaker 1: Beautiful, obviously situations with situations like this are always bittersweet
Speaker 1: when you're working with the lower major program because when
Speaker 1: you do find when you do get that, success you
Speaker 1: know you're going to, go you, know up up to
Speaker 1: the major, league so to. Speak, uh being you built
Speaker 1: such an amazing energy and identity for, it how hard
Speaker 1: was it and what did you tell your?
Speaker 5: Guys?
Speaker 1: Uh when you decided to take the seat and draw
Speaker 1: seat and seat the hall head.
Speaker 5: Spot, Well i'll be honest with, you it.
Speaker 1: Was it was.
Speaker 14: Easy right, NOW i say easy in this.
Speaker 47: Point the guys made it easy for. Me RIGHT i
Speaker 47: went in the locker room and we were in there
Speaker 47: for three, hours, bro just chopping it, up kicking.
Speaker 8: It and Now god was, like, coach you gotta. Go you,
Speaker 8: know that's.
Speaker 47: Home you work your butt off of this. Opportunity that's
Speaker 47: something that we would do if we had the. Opportunity
Speaker 47: so when they told me, that you, know it, was
Speaker 47: it made it easy for. Me and then the next
Speaker 47: two hours we were just in there just reminiscent of the,
Speaker 47: journey and they making fun of me the WAY i
Speaker 47: coach and WAY i talk and you know all the
Speaker 47: other stuff that you know the players love to.
Speaker 1: Do but not it was, easy.
Speaker 8: Man they made it easy for, me For.
Speaker 1: Sureness that's beautiful looking back on the, journey on the,
Speaker 1: experience what particularly stood out to you about this tournament?
Speaker 8: Run you know?
Speaker 47: What just right for these, guys you, Know and Obviously
Speaker 47: i'm sitting here and told to you, Guys i'm blessed
Speaker 47: to be, Here but it wasn't for those, GUYS i
Speaker 47: went and bebre today talking to you, guys, Right so for,
Speaker 47: me for, them it was like everything. Right you know
Speaker 47: you at admit, major you, know you work your butt,
Speaker 47: off you look at this type of stuff ON tv growing,
Speaker 47: up and for them guys to be in that spotlight
Speaker 47: and perform the way they, performed LIKE i just was
Speaker 47: sitting back taking it in like for, real for, Real
Speaker 47: Like i'm sitting there like these guys getting a chance
Speaker 47: to build their brand right, now. Right you, know we
Speaker 47: got the white kid on my team to doug at
Speaker 47: it like he's making a killer right, now right with the,
Speaker 47: name image and likeness because his beard and where he
Speaker 47: played In america loved. Him and these guys are like
Speaker 47: now starting to get the everything that the hot majors, get,
Speaker 47: right all their attention and stuff like.
Speaker 8: That SO i just love their attention for.
Speaker 47: Them and to be, honest you just playing against the
Speaker 47: best teams and knocking them.
Speaker 1: Off real, talk what was it like to finally sign
Speaker 1: your name on that dotted, line you, know getting a
Speaker 1: chance to play, there going, back going down and then coming. Back,
Speaker 1: now what was it like when you signed your name
Speaker 1: as the head coach at.
Speaker 47: The right, Right So i'm gonna be you, know this
Speaker 47: is a real, show so you got to be be, real,
Speaker 47: right it's real fake stuff, here, Right so you, KNOW
Speaker 47: i had to make sure they understand that they wasn't
Speaker 47: gonna hit me with the hometown hero, nonsense, right because you,
Speaker 47: know when you're going back To Alma, mata it's, like
Speaker 47: oh you come back. Here so now they did yan
Speaker 47: to short change. You i'm, like now you're not gonna
Speaker 47: hit me with the hometown, Hero like we're gonna do.
Speaker 47: This we're gonna do, this.
Speaker 8: Right it got to make sense for both of, us,
Speaker 8: man for me to tell you.
Speaker 47: Truth WHEN i looked at, IT i had to make
Speaker 47: sure it was good because this is, home and with,
Speaker 47: home you don't want to mess it, up right when
Speaker 47: you want to go in there and make sure it's
Speaker 47: the right situation with the right. People AND i trust
Speaker 47: the people that was here at the time right, now
Speaker 47: AND i can't mess it. Up it's too important for.
Speaker 47: Me SO i had to make sure everything was. Right
Speaker 47: so WHEN i, signed like it was just like a
Speaker 47: sign of, relief right because it's just so much going,
Speaker 47: on like that run we made and coming back and
Speaker 47: everybody's happy but at the same TIME i had to
Speaker 47: make sure it was right on both ends for me
Speaker 47: for the, school and financial to keep it going