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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg p m L Podcast. I'm pim Fox.

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Speaker 1: Along with my co host Lisa Bramowitz. Each day we

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Speaker 1: bring you the most important, noteworthy, and useful interviews for

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Speaker 1: you and your money, whether you're at the grocery store

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Speaker 1: Podcast on Apple Podcasts, SoundCloud, and Bloomberg dot com. Well,

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Speaker 1: markets in general are pretty calm, at least if you

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Speaker 1: look at the United States. Look elsewhere, not so much.

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Speaker 1: In particular, I'm talking about Argentina, which today asked the

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Speaker 1: i m F the International Monetary Funds to expedite and

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Speaker 1: already agreed upon credit line the payments of fifty billion

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Speaker 1: dollars still out there. Joining us now to talk about

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Speaker 1: emerging markets and specifically some of the troubled child children

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Speaker 1: within them. Damien Sassaur, chief Merging markets credit strategist here

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Speaker 1: at Bloomberg Intelligence. Damien, what do you make of Argentina

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Speaker 1: at this point, basically asking for help with their currency

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Speaker 1: falling to a record low versus the dollar. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean Argentina has been trading heavy for a very

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Speaker 1: long time now, I mean technicals have improved, but again

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Speaker 1: I'm not convinced it's all clean positioning here. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's fundamentals remain very very weak, declining GDP. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's going to enter its second recession in as many

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Speaker 1: years this year. Rising interest rates, I mean interest rates

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Speaker 1: have literally doubled. I mean, I think dollar interest rates

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Speaker 1: in Argentina now are are hovering around ten percent. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you're in the high if you look at local currency rates.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, No, I mean rising inflation week externals, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot not to like about Argentina. But interestingly enough,

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Speaker 1: the past forty eight hours, I've received some interesting calls

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Speaker 1: from investors, particularly advent riven investors, who are actually looking

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Speaker 1: at current levels and perhaps looking to get involved, which

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Speaker 1: may be a sign that you know, things might change. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The reason I is because wait a minute, when when

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Speaker 1: when this election took place? When when we got the

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Speaker 1: new president mackri I remember distinctly people beating the drums

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Speaker 1: saying this is different. You've got to get in. Argentina

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Speaker 1: is going to be the best place to invest money.

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Speaker 1: Oh come on, well, I mean you're right, Pim. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I mean if you look at going into March of

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Speaker 1: this year, when Iam sort of melted down. It was

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Speaker 1: the largest overweight in emerging markets according to JP Morgan's

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Speaker 1: Positioning survey. Right, so people were definitely long and wrong.

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Speaker 1: And I think you're aut. You make a very good point.

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Speaker 1: You know, people who held on on the way down

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Speaker 1: in the last few months, it's gonna be very difficult

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Speaker 1: for them to reload at current levels. Well, I'm just

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Speaker 1: talking about credibility. Well, yeah, right, what credibility do they

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Speaker 1: have when they are dealing with the second recession in

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Speaker 1: two years and having defaulted what five times in the

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Speaker 1: past century. I would I would argue the other thing.

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Speaker 1: I would say, they've they've made quite a bit of

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Speaker 1: progress in structural reforms. They've liberalized their effects rate, they've

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Speaker 1: reduced export duties, they've cut fuel subsidies. I mean, they've

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Speaker 1: re established times with global capital markets after being in

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Speaker 1: the black for ten years. But um, but you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: You know they want fifty billion dollars from the International

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Speaker 1: Monetary Fund. Well, I mean, look, the government. If I think,

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Speaker 1: I think the government would be better served if it

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Speaker 1: put disinflation efforts aside, engineered a controlled real depreciation of

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Speaker 1: the PAS. So with the attention of again, boosting external competitiveness,

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Speaker 1: attracting FDI and and reducing the fiscal deficit. And I

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Speaker 1: think that fifty billion I m F line goes a

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Speaker 1: long way to giving them the support they need and

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Speaker 1: the credibility they need to put through, you know, to

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Speaker 1: to actually do that. Unlike Turkey, right, I mean, Turkey,

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Speaker 1: you know, has shown the I m F. They've shunned

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Speaker 1: their Western investors. You know, Argentina has taken a very

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Speaker 1: different tack. And yet Argentina five year CDs is trading

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Speaker 1: four hundred and eighty? So where's the disconnect their? Right?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would make the case that perhaps Argentina

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Speaker 1: looks relatively attractive at current levels. Interesting I think that

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Speaker 1: Argentina as an adysentcratic story for sure. Uh Turkey as well,

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Speaker 1: both of them seeing distress. But at a time when

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to play this time in

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Speaker 1: a different story with Argentina because you know, we've lived

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Speaker 1: thus far, Argentine's remain quite confident in their banking system.

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Speaker 1: They have not withdrawn deposits as they have in Latin

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Speaker 1: relatively healthy. So you don't contagion either within Argentina or

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Speaker 1: more broadly in emerging markets. I think I think Turkey

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Speaker 1: It's not China it's not you know, it's not even

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Speaker 1: brazila Russia. Um. But you know, I I take your point.

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Speaker 1: You know, as things, you know, get worse and look,

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Speaker 1: performances and perception is reality. So long as performance remains

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Speaker 1: this will eventually slip into the real economy. You know.

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Speaker 1: The longer that you know these economies failed to perform,

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Speaker 1: this weakness, you know, things are going to get more

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Speaker 1: and more challenging and and so you're right from that perspective,

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Speaker 1: but we're not quite there yet. UM. I still think

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Speaker 1: that you know, Argentina, you know, can can manage their

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Speaker 1: way out of this. Turkey is a different story. But Argentina,

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Speaker 1: you know, I I think at current levels, it's starting

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Speaker 1: trip to Buenos airis in the future for Damian Sasaur.

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Speaker 1: You never know, Damian Sassaura, thank you very much, Chief

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Speaker 1: Emerging markets credit strategist for Bloomberg Intelligence, giving us the

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Speaker 1: lowdown on investing in emerging markets. Canada's Foreign Affairs and

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Speaker 1: Minister Christopher Freelan is meeting in Washington, d C with

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Speaker 1: her US counterparts. This comes a day after US President

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump announced a deal with Mexico on trade, and

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Speaker 1: of course Canada was absent from those US Mexican discussions.

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Speaker 1: Here to tell us more about this three way complicated

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Speaker 1: vice president for Albright stone Bridge Group a s G. Formerly,

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Speaker 1: he served for eight years as head of Economics Affairs

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Speaker 1: he advised US companies with a presence in Mexico as

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Speaker 1: well as Mexican companies doing business in the United States. Ambassador,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for being with us. Can you

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Speaker 1: tell us what is so terrible about if indeed that

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Speaker 1: is so Canada not being part of the negotiations between

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Speaker 1: Canada there was so important. Yes, thank you for the

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Speaker 1: invitation and glad to share my views on that. First

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Speaker 1: chief among them the automobile rules of origin, and was

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Speaker 1: Has a lot changed really between the US and Mexico.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is this deal likely to stick and is

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Speaker 1: it really that different? Um, well, there there are open questions.

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Speaker 1: First of all, will it be bilateral or trilateral? We

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Speaker 1: will now buy Friday. And this is not trivial because

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Speaker 1: under U s Trade Promotion Authority, the Congress delegated authority

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Speaker 1: to US negotiators to update NAFTA, to modernize NAFTA, not

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Speaker 1: to do a bilateral deal with Mexico or even another

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Speaker 1: to submit a bilateral deal with Mexico. That's on a

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Speaker 1: from a substantial perspective, I don't think it would be

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Speaker 1: a good idea to have a bilateral agreement. I think

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Speaker 1: a trilateral agreement is much more significant from an economic perspective.

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Speaker 1: So why did you believe Mexico entered into this bilateral negotiation.

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Speaker 1: I think that Mexico wanted to accelerate negotiations as as

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Speaker 1: much as possible to see if they could sign the

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Speaker 1: and to do that they had to advance on a

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Speaker 1: nothing surprising their Doctor Ortismina from the Foreign Minister of

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Speaker 1: Canada that they're having good negotiations. But what could have

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Speaker 1: important for Canada. Secondly, UH an important agreement on the

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Speaker 1: chapter nineteen, which deals with unfair trade practices, dumping and subsidies.

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Speaker 1: It is my understanding that Mexico on the US reached

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Speaker 1: an agreement to do away with NAPTA chapter nineteen, and

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Speaker 1: chapter nineteen is very important for Canada, but substantively over

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Speaker 1: the endless software lumber dispute and politically so they will

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Speaker 1: have to see how they can resolve that. So one

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Speaker 1: thing that I'm struck by here is that President Trump

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Speaker 1: isn't necessarily on board. So how much cloud does President

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Speaker 1: Trump have in these renegotiations when Congress ultimately has to

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Speaker 1: to this whole process. Absolutely, they are different negotiations going

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Speaker 1: the executive will have to make sure that Congress accepts

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Speaker 1: whatever they submit. And it is not a foregone conclusion

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Speaker 1: authority was granted to do a trilateral deal. Right. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but those are the legal issues that you that you

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Speaker 1: mentioned previously. Now you mentioned Mexico's domestic political situation wanting

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Speaker 1: and then we have the US mid term elections in November.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that politics is currently driving the negotiations. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I do believe that politics are are to great extin

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Speaker 1: of suspicious Uh. This this could this could segue into

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Speaker 1: a discussion not about the gaming industry, and but bottom

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Speaker 1: line is that you have to deal with the environment

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Speaker 1: that when people gather, there's a risk that someone crazy

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Speaker 1: will do something bad. Just real quick. Uh. From your perspective,

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Speaker 1: do you expect gaming to be a rival to, say, football,

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Speaker 1: in ten years on the sports front? YEP, that's a

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Speaker 1: difficult question. I think that when you look at there's

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Speaker 1: there's three ways of looking at the popularity. There's there's participants,

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Speaker 1: there's followers, and there's revenue. So certainly the number of

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Speaker 1: followers and gaming. You have a billion people playing games

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Speaker 1: globally and just a small percentage of that would be

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Speaker 1: a massive amount of people. So I think gaming could

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Speaker 1: definitely rival professional sports and the number of followers. Monetizing

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Speaker 1: that is something that a lot of the game companies

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Speaker 1: are going after and some of them are doing a

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Speaker 1: really good job. Ted Pollock, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: being with us. Thanks for having me on. Ted Pollock

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Speaker 1: Senior Game Menalist at John Petty Research. She's also the

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Speaker 1: President portfolio manager of the fund management management co founding

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