WEBVTT - #418 Packers Unscripted: Player progress 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:21.079 Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:24.040 I am Mike Spofford, sitting alongside the one and only 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:27.120 West Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here from our studios 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.480 at lambeau Field West. A couple more training camp practices 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:32.920 in the books. At the time we are taping this, 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:36.720 there are six down and family Knight is right around 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.199 the corner here for the Green Bay Packers. I want 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:43.000 to start the discussion today talking about young players, and 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:45.199 what I mean is not necessarily the rookies, but the 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:47.519 young guys. We always hear about the year to the 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:50.600 year three jump, that kind of thing. Training camp is 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:55.600 a time that you start to see the seeds being planted, 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.160 so to speak, for maybe those jumps to happen in 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.080 the game action somewhere down the line. So is there 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.400 a guy one of these younger players that do you 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:07.200 sort of see with that arrow pointing up already here 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.560 in camp. I'm glad you gave us a pre production 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.280 rundown on MS because my natural tendency would have been 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.240 just to say Rare Shawn Gary again. Uh, but since 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.480 I've played that card a number of times. Now, Yes, 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.080 let's look at the second and third year players and 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.360 how they're looking now in this next camp. One of 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:24.040 the guys I featured in a story I wrote for 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.280 Packers dot Com this week was Marquez Valdes Scantling. For 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:29.480 a number of reasons. One, he ended up catching the 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:31.280 thirty or four yard touchdown at the end of the 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:34.480 two minute period the first two minute period of training 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.839 camp from Aaron Rodgers. A little physicality involved on that play. 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.120 There's some joking the locker room afterwards whether or not 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:42.440 the challenge flag would have been thrown for past interference. 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:44.880 But be that as it may, it was a nice 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:46.760 catch in a nice play that he made, and in 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.360 something I think Vala Scantling has been looking to showcase 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:52.880 with his skill set. The second thing was actually going 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.360 back to his off season uh and he once again 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.720 worked out with Randy Moss Uh, the infamous Vikings receiver 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.800 but also a Pro foot Hall of Famer. They worked 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:03.960 out together last year down in Tampa, but it was 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.520 only for a week. This year, Valdes Scantling he really 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:09.840 enjoyed that. He felt like he got a lot from it, 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:12.200 so he decided to go back down there, spent a 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:16.120 whole month with Moss going over everything from route adjustments 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.840 to hand placement you know when you're you're at the 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.640 line of scrimmage, to just overall what it's like to 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.080 be in the NFL and to to use that skill set. 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.160 The thing that's impressive to me, though, is you look 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:31.000 at him six ft four two six pounds four three 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:35.280 seven forty. He doesn't he's not looking to become Randy Moss. 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.240 He wants to be MVS. But if you're looking at 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.280 a guy that used very similar skills to the fullest, 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.040 I mean, you really can't find anybody better than Randy Moss. Yeah. 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:47.440 The thing that the thing that is interesting to me 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:52.600 about MVS is the extra steps that he has taken 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.840 already in the young stages of his career. We talked 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.120 a lot last year as a rookie about how he 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.320 had this process us of writing and rewriting the plays 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:06.800 and his routes and his assignments and everything on paper. 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.040 It was the way to cement it in his memory. 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:11.160 He would just do it over and over and over again, 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.840 and a lot of diligence, a lot of effort in 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:17.560 doing that. But he wasn't a guy who made assignment mistakes. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:19.840 When it came to the system out in the field 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.359 as a rookie. Now heading into his second year, he's 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.080 learning a new system again. So he's doing that process, 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.959 the whole writing stuff down on paper. But now he's 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.200 going out as well. And as you said, taking an 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:33.760 entire month to work with a Pro football Hall of Famer, 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.320 and I can only imagine what those conversations are like 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:41.840 because a guy like Randy Moss seen it all and 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.000 done it all. You know, when you talk about, say, 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.080 just as an example, the hand fighting at the line 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.640 of scrimmage when a guy is trying to jam you, well, 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.680 guys tried to jam Randy Moss every which way but 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.760 Sunday over the course of his Hall of Fame career. 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.840 So if there's a way to get to to counter 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.960 a certain move, Randy Moss knows what it is. And 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.600 in terms of that similar body type, the frame, he 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:08.880 knows exactly how a guy like Valdes Scantling can use 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.080 his type of frame to make that move and make 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.280 it work. It's it's an interesting it's an interesting approach 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.880 by MVS and I'm really curious to see just how 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:18.760 it shows up here in his second season. Yeah, and 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:20.880 then the MVS said too. I mean, it isn't just 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.560 about those big home run threats. The reason why Randy 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:25.479 Moss is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame is 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:27.680 not because he just was a great go route receiver 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:29.960 and could you know, take the top off the defense, 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:32.960 but which he could, but yes, but it was because 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.040 he had he could run the full route trip. He 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.640 was an all round player. That's where MVS is trying 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:39.880 to get right now, Let's face him, like, this is 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:44.120 a wide open competition. We've seen every receiver practically on 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.280 this receiving corps make a play here. For the first 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:49.120 week of training camp and getting reps with Aaron Rodgers, 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.000 there's been a lot of rotation going on, big rotation there. 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.599 So as much as you know this year, you know 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.840 it's about a young man trying to come in solidify 0:04:57.920 --> 0:04:59.880 not only a spot on the roster. He wants to 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.320 show that he can be an every down player in 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.400 this offense. One of the first things that Aaron Rodgers 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.240 said when we came back from the off season program 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:09.840 was saying that he believes that MVS has that kind 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.599 of potential and it's those type of relationships, that type 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.280 of investment that he made this offseason that's gonna help 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.200 him get him there. He also mentioned no vacations in 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:19.960 that trip. He was just going down there. It was 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.960 all business, no trips to some exotic places. He just 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:26.240 wanted to become a better receiver. Yeah. Well, I'm definitely 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.280 interested to see just how that translates when we get 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.480 to the real games, because I certainly think that MVS 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:33.680 is going to be getting his share of snaps in 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:37.080 this Matt Lafleur offense. Another guy to talk about, young 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:41.880 player Arrow pointing up, as I prefaced before, we heard 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:45.560 from the Packers coordinators on Monday. If I can keep 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.640 my days straight here in training camp, it's kind of 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.680 groundhog Day, like all these days, you know, over the 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:54.040 same thing over and over again. But we heard from 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:58.160 Mike Petton, the defensive coordinator. And if there's a if 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.159 there's ever been a straight shoot of an assistant coach 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.360 at that podium, it's Mike Petton. Right. He doesn't doesn't 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:08.200 throw out throw around a lot of platitudes. He uh, 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:10.279 he tells it like it is. And to hear him 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.919 say that, if he were to pick one guy that 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.680 he's seen now in heading into his second year as 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.039 coordinator of the Packers defense that he would label the 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:23.680 most improved defensive player. It's Montrevius Adams, the third round 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:28.360 pick in ten out of Auburn. Kind of a lost 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.200 rookie season due to injury, had a foot injury very 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.640 early in training camp and never really got going as 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.240 a rookie, but then didn't make the best impression on 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.000 Mike Patton in his second year, Patton's first year in 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.640 with the defense. But that's changing, isn't it. It is 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.760 into Adam's credit. It started to change at the end 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:51.360 of last season. Petton said in the spring, the first 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.600 time he met him, he said, my opinion of him 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.479 wasn't that high. And he knew that. And it was 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.320 funny because talking about Trevis in the locker room this week, 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.000 he did know at for a fact. Mike Petton isn't 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:05.159 just brutally honest with reporters, He's brutally honest with his players. 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.960 Was very upfront with Adams about this stance. But to 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.880 Adams credit, if you think about that, any walk of life, 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.800 someone does that, it can be demoralizing. It can affect 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.640 your confidence, but it can also affect your productivity. If 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.600 you take it the wrong way. Adams didn't do that. 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.560 Adams took it the right way. He adjusted, He made 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:26.440 the mental changes he needed to make, and this year 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.480 the biggest change he's made was really with his dieting. 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.200 He said he got up to about three fifteen last season. 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.760 He's listed at three or four. This year. He turned 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.120 back to camp under three pounds. The main reason he 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:39.640 did that is he felt like he still had the 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.280 necessary power to play that position, but he wanted to 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:44.880 be faster. He wanted to be quicker. He wanted to 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.160 be able to, you know, beat guys off the line more. 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.280 And the Packers have been really pleasantly pleased with what 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.280 they've seen from him through this first week of camp. 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.040 But before all these as you mentioned, these platitudes, these 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.800 different statements were made. You go back to the off season. 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.160 I can't tell you how many offer in defensive lineman. 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.960 We're kind of muttering about how Adams had made a 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:08.760 big jump. And as much as Patton's words got a 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.640 lot of headlines this week, it wasn't something that we 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.240 haven't already heard. And when the Packers made the move 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.320 to move on from Mike Daniels, you have to have 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.119 some more guys ready to take that spot. They feel 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.640 like Adams, after taking a full offseason, now working with 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.600 Dean Lowry and Kenny Clark in the base defense, is 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.640 really ready to take off. Yeah. Well, I'll be honest 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.200 with you, We certainly did hear it during the spring. 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.960 But as we've talked about, and I've been around this 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.120 long enough that anything I hear in the spring, I 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.000 take it with a little bit of a grain of salt. 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.360 When you start to hear the same kinds of things 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.880 after the pads go on in camp, when the contact 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.360 ratchets up, when the intensity of practice ratchets up, and 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.840 then you're still hearing the same things about those young 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.960 players and the growth pattern that they're on, then you know, 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:55.960 it really starts to mean something, at least to me 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.560 as as an observer as a reporter covering the team. 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:02.920 So that definitely goes a long way. And let's face it, West, 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:07.640 there is no question it's not the only factor, but 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.360 Montravius adams progress and what they saw from him at 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.760 the end of last season through the off season this 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:17.800 year was a factor in them being comfortable moving on 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:20.880 from Mike Daniels and and saying all right, number ninety. 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.560 This third year pro aut Auburn that we drafted in 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.240 the third round a couple of years back. He's going 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.680 to get more opportunity, more responsibility, and they're counting on 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:33.520 to come through. Yeah, and Tyler Lancaster. That whole rotation, Kingsley, 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.920 kiki uh. That defensive line is more than two or 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:38.960 three players. You have to be deep. I think last 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.959 season proved sometimes you have to be at that spot. 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.800 So I think this is a move. I likened it 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.520 in one of our conversations. I think on Unscripted already too. 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.480 They had to go, you know, Josh Sitton was released, 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.240 Lane Taylor had to step up, and now Adams is 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.080 going to be in a similar spot. The other thing 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:57.040 I like about Adams too, and I asked him about 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.120 this in the locker room. You know, he's a father 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.559 of two. Now we all know that story about the 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.240 night that he got drafted. You know, his fiance was 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:08.160 in labor, and that is in the back of his mind. 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.360 He doesn't want to just be a one and done 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.320 type player. He wants to play in this league for 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.520 eight nine years, you know, beyond that, and instead his 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.200 family and his children up for the future. That's his 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.840 extra boost, he said, and it's something that's pushing on 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.120 this camp. Yeah. Well, before we move on, I just 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.120 have to throw out another Mike Petton quote that I 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.319 thought was a classic the other day when he said 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.559 he likes having a noisy defense and what he means 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.160 by that is listening to the guys hollering back and 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:36.200 forth and talking and communicating. He says, if your defense 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.360 out there is quiet, that's a problem. And uh. And 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.400 his his response was in a question too, Okay, what 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.000 is different about your defense now at this stage in 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.000 year two compared to where you were in year one? 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.719 The short answer being, the guys are talking a lot more. 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:52.800 There's a there's a lot of communication, a lot of 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.800 hollering going on, and he likes that. He likes hearing 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.400 all the noise in the back end from his players. Yeah. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:00.640 And as much as it is that Darius Smith and 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.320 Preston Smith and Adrian Amos and all the guys, they 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:05.760 added a lot of this too, is the guys like 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.920 the Montrevius Adams and in the Orn Burkes and the 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.400 players the Packers are expecting to step up from those 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.080 drafts that they've had the last few years. On the 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.400 defensive side of the ball. I think the really fun 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:17.719 thing for Green Bay right now is they have a 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.800 lot of those personalities. They aren't afraid to speak their mind, 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.600 the Jyr Alexander's of the world, and and I think 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:25.960 he's that's why they're hitting the right decibel level that 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.320 Petton has been searching for. There we go, all right, well, 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.720 I'm gonna put you on the spot here quickly. Six 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:34.679 practices in what's your play of training camp so far? 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.360 You know, for me, there's so many that you can 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.400 pick from here. I still really liked that past that 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:44.720 Deshaun Kaiser through to Econymius st. Brown. Believe it was 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.000 in last Saturday's practice, um, just because he missed on 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.480 it the day before. And you can have all the 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.720 armed talent in the world, Mike, but if you can't 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.680 put it where it needs to be, it's kind of negated. 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.080 And I feel, you know, Kaiser is still young quarterbacks, 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.280 still only twenty three. There's still room for growth. But 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.560 I like the deep ball accuracy improvements that I've seen 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.160 from him in this camp. And I also like the 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.760 fact that St. Brown got rewarded for a play that 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.440 he got open on the day before was able to 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.240 get above the defense on the second one and bring 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.199 it in. But man, there there, I don't want to 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.120 stealing from you, But I mean, there's so many catches, 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:23.079 the Jake Cumero sideline grab. Um, there's been some really 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.560 special plays I felt so far through this camp. Yeah, well, 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.720 you had mentioned a big one earlier, the the MVS 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.959 play to conclude the two minute drill where he's one 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.880 on one going down the sideline with Jayra Alexander deep 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.480 ball from Aaron Rodgers makes a great adjustment, kind of cutting, 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.839 swimming inside of Alexander to then make a diving catch 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.480 in the end zone. Now, there was some controversy. The 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.719 defensive players thought, maybe that's going to be offensive past interference. 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.520 So because of the controversial nature of that one, I 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:53.640 won't pick it. But I want to go back to um. 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.160 The other day there was a blitz drill and eleven 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:59.079 on eleven where Mike Petton is showing all kinds of 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.520 crazy defensive fronts. The offense has got to figure out 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.679 who's coming and whatnot. Now, the offense was a little 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.520 slow in that period and getting the play in, getting 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.679 out of the huddle, getting up to the line, of scrimmage. 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.200 They were very deliberate about some things, and that part 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.679 definitely needs to smooth out. But there were back to 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.920 back plays in that sequence, one where Rogers hit a 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.000 hot read to Jimmy Graham on a slant to be 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.480 two blitz, and then another one where he took the 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:28.120 the either three or five step drop and uh and through. 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.760 I guess you'd call it like a slot fade in 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.680 a sense because Geronimo Allison is running down the scene 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.760 from the slot, but Rogers just threw it up there 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:38.840 as like a fifty fifty ball type of thing, and 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.440 Allison just makes a great move reaching over top of 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.720 the defender to pluck the ball out of the air. 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.760 Those are the kinds of things whatever you've got with 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.679 new scheme, new offense and all the things these guys 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.040 have to learn when it comes to a defense putting 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:56.320 pressure and bringing the blitz on a third down and whatnot. 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:00.280 That's where Aaron Rodgers and veteran players who have aid 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.240 with them are going to make a difference here. And 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.920 to see those back to back plays to Graham and Allison, 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:06.840 I thought was a really good sign for this offense, 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.080 especially since it's gonna be two guys I think the 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.360 Packers are gonna be relying on this season. They need 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.840 Jim Graham to be a difference maker, and certainly Alison 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.520 looks like he's the front runner to be that slot 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.400 receiver in those packages where they go there. You need 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.640 to be able to feed those guys. If there's one 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:24.960 other thing I can mention, and it's not a particular play, 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:27.119 but it's going to the one on one pass restrils. 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.040 Unlike my days of the press because that I no 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.240 longer just keep like a Excel spreadsheet of who I 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.280 consider one and lost. But for my money, this is 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:40.480 the most impressive the outside linebackers have been in at 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.360 least four or five years, probably going back to the 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.040 year that jero and Elliott started to open some eyes. 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:51.120 I think his rookie year, Zadarius Smith and Rashawn Gary 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:55.520 were made for that drill. It's incredible, not that one 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:58.120 for what they're doing off the edge, but also inside. 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:02.600 Reggie Gilbert had a really nice move in yesterday's practice 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:05.680 to get to what I would consider to be a win. 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.400 How the fact or led back to back wins that 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.680 group right now is it stands Mike, I'm not saying 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:12.800 they're gonna surpass how many sacks they had last year. 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.040 You don't need that. It's about pressures, it's about consistency, 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.480 and it's about holding up your edge and you're being accountable. 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:20.800 But for all the investments the packers have made on 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:24.240 that side of the ball, you could be underwhelmed going 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:26.840 into a camp if they don't do anything. So to say, 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.160 if you're overwhelmed to a certain extent, I think there's 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:31.800 a credit that goes to them for that. Now it 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:33.440 has to translate. You have to be able to put 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.480 it on the field during games and when the clock 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.960 is actually running. But those uh, those outside backers, for 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.000 the investments the packers made there, I think they're seeing 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.080 some intriguing returns right now on that. Yeah, I would 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.040 agree with you, family, And it's right around the corner west, 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.080 the big practice under the light set lambeau Field coming 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.280 up on Friday night. Anything in particular you're looking forward to, 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.680 you're gonna have your eye on, so to speak, as 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:58.920 we head into that practice. I mean, i'd be remiss 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.120 to not mention that I said pizza when I answered 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:06.000 that inset er inbox. I've always enjoyed family night for 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:09.400 two reasons. One, it's cliche, but it is cool seeing 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.640 that environment come back together because you gotta remember, it's 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.400 been at that point eight months since we've had been 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.440 involved in a crowd that that's that big, since that 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.600 finale against the Lions. So it's always cool to kind 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:22.840 of get that first little taste of it before you 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.520 get into the preseason. But the second thing I always 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.760 liked to is that it's not a preseason game. They 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:33.960 aren't scrimmaging anymore. But it is always something noteworthy to 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.080 see how young guys respond to that environment because you've 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:39.400 seen some that have completely melted under it, and you've 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.920 seen some guys you know that look good early on 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:47.080 really galvanized their position with solid performances in that in 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.200 that climate, So, um, you know, Sam Ficking will probably 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:52.320 end up kicking some field goals out. Imagine if Mason 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.680 Crosby isn't there. So there's a lot of different variables 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:58.720 there that the first time in front of seventy thousand people, Um, 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:01.400 it's just a different environment then when you're in front 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.840 of Niche. Yeah. Well, if I were to pick out 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.200 two guys that I'm definitely going to have my eye 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:10.119 on specifically Friday Night, one on each side of the ball. 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.560 The first one is Jamon Moore, the second year wide receiver. 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.920 We talked a lot about mvs earlier in the show, 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.640 but I said this an insider inbox the other day. 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:22.359 If I were to pick who Deshaun Kayser's favorite target 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:24.600 is when he's been running the number two offense and 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.080 practice in the eleven on eleven, I think it's been 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:29.639 Jamon More Number eighty two has made his share of 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.760 plays with Deshaun Kaiser, and he did make one the 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.639 other day also when he got a rep with the 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:36.920 ones and made a play and made a catch for 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.679 Aaron Rodgers as well. This is a young guy. We 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.520 all know his rookie season did not go as hoped, 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.920 but he's showing some signs of the improvement that he's 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:50.320 putting that behind him, that that there's progress there and 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.320 he just has to keep climbing. He just has to 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.680 keep climbing that hill and uh and keep that arrow 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:58.840 pointed in the right direction. Another guy that I'm definitely 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.479 gonna be watching for, and this is one of the rookies. 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.800 Sixth round draft pick out of Toledo, the cornerback Kadar Holman, 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.120 and I bring him up because I wrote about him 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.119 on the website the other day when they went to 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.480 the two minute drill in practice for the first time 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:16.000 in training camp. They went to two minute. Kevin King, 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.080 who has been obviously taking all the snaps at cornerback 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.080 with the number one defense, they sat him out and 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.760 rested him. They're monitoring his reps a little bit, given 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.520 his health history and everything like that. Kadar Holman, the 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:29.639 rookie sixth round pick, was the guy they put in 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:33.520 at cornerback with the number one defense. Now Josh Jackson 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.359 has not practiced yet, still dealing with a foot injury, 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.600 so that was certainly a factor there as well. But 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:42.040 number twenty nine, this uh, this young man from Toledo West, 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.920 he's uh, he's catching some eyeballs, he is, and it's 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.080 not worthy. Even though as you mentioned, you had the 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.080 injuries there. There's about forty eight defensive backs on this 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.600 offseason roster. It almost seems like to be able to 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:56.800 sort of stay above the pack in front of the 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.359 fray a little bit. I think speaks well to Holman, 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:01.679 especially as sort of I don't want to call him 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:03.960 a flyer would be disrespectful to say that, but he 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:07.600 didn't come from a Power five conference school. He he was, 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:09.680 you know, a guy that kind of came on late. 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:13.200 We've that's well documented at Toledo, didn't have the most 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:15.960 interceptions of the world. But the thing that impressed me, 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:17.920 going even back to the off season program is how 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.560 it just seemed like assignment sound. He is being able 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:24.080 to stay on his receiver, not a grabby type cornerback. 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:27.560 It seems like he's able to rely on his natural athleticism. 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:29.680 He ran a great forty time and it seems like 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.680 it translates in that regard. And let's be honest, Mike, 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:34.720