1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, sitting alongside the one and only 3 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: West Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here from our studios 4 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: at lambeau Field West. A couple more training camp practices 5 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: in the books. At the time we are taping this, 6 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: there are six down and family Knight is right around 7 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: the corner here for the Green Bay Packers. I want 8 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: to start the discussion today talking about young players, and 9 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: what I mean is not necessarily the rookies, but the 10 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: young guys. We always hear about the year to the 11 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: year three jump, that kind of thing. Training camp is 12 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: a time that you start to see the seeds being planted, 13 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: so to speak, for maybe those jumps to happen in 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: the game action somewhere down the line. So is there 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: a guy one of these younger players that do you 16 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: sort of see with that arrow pointing up already here 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: in camp. I'm glad you gave us a pre production 18 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: rundown on MS because my natural tendency would have been 19 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: just to say Rare Shawn Gary again. Uh, but since 20 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: I've played that card a number of times. Now, Yes, 21 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: let's look at the second and third year players and 22 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: how they're looking now in this next camp. One of 23 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: the guys I featured in a story I wrote for 24 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com this week was Marquez Valdes Scantling. For 25 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: a number of reasons. One, he ended up catching the 26 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: thirty or four yard touchdown at the end of the 27 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: two minute period the first two minute period of training 28 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 1: camp from Aaron Rodgers. A little physicality involved on that play. 29 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: There's some joking the locker room afterwards whether or not 30 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: the challenge flag would have been thrown for past interference. 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: But be that as it may, it was a nice 32 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: catch in a nice play that he made, and in 33 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: something I think Vala Scantling has been looking to showcase 34 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: with his skill set. The second thing was actually going 35 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: back to his off season uh and he once again 36 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: worked out with Randy Moss Uh, the infamous Vikings receiver 37 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: but also a Pro foot Hall of Famer. They worked 38 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: out together last year down in Tampa, but it was 39 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: only for a week. This year, Valdes Scantling he really 40 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: enjoyed that. He felt like he got a lot from it, 41 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: so he decided to go back down there, spent a 42 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: whole month with Moss going over everything from route adjustments 43 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: to hand placement you know when you're you're at the 44 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, to just overall what it's like to 45 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: be in the NFL and to to use that skill set. 46 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: The thing that's impressive to me, though, is you look 47 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: at him six ft four two six pounds four three 48 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: seven forty. He doesn't he's not looking to become Randy Moss. 49 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: He wants to be MVS. But if you're looking at 50 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: a guy that used very similar skills to the fullest, 51 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you really can't find anybody better than Randy Moss. Yeah. 52 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: The thing that the thing that is interesting to me 53 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: about MVS is the extra steps that he has taken 54 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: already in the young stages of his career. We talked 55 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: a lot last year as a rookie about how he 56 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: had this process us of writing and rewriting the plays 57 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: and his routes and his assignments and everything on paper. 58 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: It was the way to cement it in his memory. 59 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: He would just do it over and over and over again, 60 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: and a lot of diligence, a lot of effort in 61 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: doing that. But he wasn't a guy who made assignment mistakes. 62 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: When it came to the system out in the field 63 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: as a rookie. Now heading into his second year, he's 64 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: learning a new system again. So he's doing that process, 65 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 1: the whole writing stuff down on paper. But now he's 66 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: going out as well. And as you said, taking an 67 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: entire month to work with a Pro football Hall of Famer, 68 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: and I can only imagine what those conversations are like 69 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: because a guy like Randy Moss seen it all and 70 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: done it all. You know, when you talk about, say, 71 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: just as an example, the hand fighting at the line 72 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: of scrimmage when a guy is trying to jam you, well, 73 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: guys tried to jam Randy Moss every which way but 74 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: Sunday over the course of his Hall of Fame career. 75 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: So if there's a way to get to to counter 76 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: a certain move, Randy Moss knows what it is. And 77 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: in terms of that similar body type, the frame, he 78 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: knows exactly how a guy like Valdes Scantling can use 79 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: his type of frame to make that move and make 80 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: it work. It's it's an interesting it's an interesting approach 81 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: by MVS and I'm really curious to see just how 82 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: it shows up here in his second season. Yeah, and 83 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: then the MVS said too. I mean, it isn't just 84 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: about those big home run threats. The reason why Randy 85 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: Moss is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame is 86 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: not because he just was a great go route receiver 87 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: and could you know, take the top off the defense, 88 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: but which he could, but yes, but it was because 89 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: he had he could run the full route trip. He 90 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: was an all round player. That's where MVS is trying 91 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: to get right now, Let's face him, like, this is 92 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: a wide open competition. We've seen every receiver practically on 93 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: this receiving corps make a play here. For the first 94 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: week of training camp and getting reps with Aaron Rodgers, 95 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of rotation going on, big rotation there. 96 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: So as much as you know this year, you know 97 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: it's about a young man trying to come in solidify 98 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: not only a spot on the roster. He wants to 99 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: show that he can be an every down player in 100 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: this offense. One of the first things that Aaron Rodgers 101 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: said when we came back from the off season program 102 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: was saying that he believes that MVS has that kind 103 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: of potential and it's those type of relationships, that type 104 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: of investment that he made this offseason that's gonna help 105 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: him get him there. He also mentioned no vacations in 106 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: that trip. He was just going down there. It was 107 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: all business, no trips to some exotic places. He just 108 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: wanted to become a better receiver. Yeah. Well, I'm definitely 109 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: interested to see just how that translates when we get 110 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: to the real games, because I certainly think that MVS 111 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: is going to be getting his share of snaps in 112 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: this Matt Lafleur offense. Another guy to talk about, young 113 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: player Arrow pointing up, as I prefaced before, we heard 114 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: from the Packers coordinators on Monday. If I can keep 115 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: my days straight here in training camp, it's kind of 116 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: groundhog Day, like all these days, you know, over the 117 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: same thing over and over again. But we heard from 118 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: Mike Petton, the defensive coordinator. And if there's a if 119 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: there's ever been a straight shoot of an assistant coach 120 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: at that podium, it's Mike Petton. Right. He doesn't doesn't 121 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: throw out throw around a lot of platitudes. He uh, 122 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: he tells it like it is. And to hear him 123 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 1: say that, if he were to pick one guy that 124 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: he's seen now in heading into his second year as 125 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: coordinator of the Packers defense that he would label the 126 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: most improved defensive player. It's Montrevius Adams, the third round 127 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: pick in ten out of Auburn. Kind of a lost 128 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: rookie season due to injury, had a foot injury very 129 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: early in training camp and never really got going as 130 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: a rookie, but then didn't make the best impression on 131 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: Mike Patton in his second year, Patton's first year in 132 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: with the defense. But that's changing, isn't it. It is 133 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: into Adam's credit. It started to change at the end 134 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: of last season. Petton said in the spring, the first 135 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: time he met him, he said, my opinion of him 136 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: wasn't that high. And he knew that. And it was 137 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: funny because talking about Trevis in the locker room this week, 138 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: he did know at for a fact. Mike Petton isn't 139 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: just brutally honest with reporters, He's brutally honest with his players. 140 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: Was very upfront with Adams about this stance. But to 141 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: Adams credit, if you think about that, any walk of life, 142 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: someone does that, it can be demoralizing. It can affect 143 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: your confidence, but it can also affect your productivity. If 144 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: you take it the wrong way. Adams didn't do that. 145 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: Adams took it the right way. He adjusted, He made 146 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: the mental changes he needed to make, and this year 147 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: the biggest change he's made was really with his dieting. 148 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: He said he got up to about three fifteen last season. 149 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: He's listed at three or four. This year. He turned 150 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: back to camp under three pounds. The main reason he 151 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: did that is he felt like he still had the 152 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: necessary power to play that position, but he wanted to 153 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: be faster. He wanted to be quicker. He wanted to 154 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: be able to, you know, beat guys off the line more. 155 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: And the Packers have been really pleasantly pleased with what 156 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: they've seen from him through this first week of camp. 157 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: But before all these as you mentioned, these platitudes, these 158 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: different statements were made. You go back to the off season. 159 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many offer in defensive lineman. 160 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: We're kind of muttering about how Adams had made a 161 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: big jump. And as much as Patton's words got a 162 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: lot of headlines this week, it wasn't something that we 163 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: haven't already heard. And when the Packers made the move 164 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: to move on from Mike Daniels, you have to have 165 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,119 Speaker 1: some more guys ready to take that spot. They feel 166 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: like Adams, after taking a full offseason, now working with 167 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: Dean Lowry and Kenny Clark in the base defense, is 168 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: really ready to take off. Yeah. Well, I'll be honest 169 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: with you, We certainly did hear it during the spring. 170 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: But as we've talked about, and I've been around this 171 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: long enough that anything I hear in the spring, I 172 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: take it with a little bit of a grain of salt. 173 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: When you start to hear the same kinds of things 174 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: after the pads go on in camp, when the contact 175 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: ratchets up, when the intensity of practice ratchets up, and 176 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: then you're still hearing the same things about those young 177 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: players and the growth pattern that they're on, then you know, 178 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: it really starts to mean something, at least to me 179 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: as as an observer as a reporter covering the team. 180 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: So that definitely goes a long way. And let's face it, West, 181 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: there is no question it's not the only factor, but 182 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: Montravius adams progress and what they saw from him at 183 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: the end of last season through the off season this 184 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: year was a factor in them being comfortable moving on 185 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: from Mike Daniels and and saying all right, number ninety. 186 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: This third year pro aut Auburn that we drafted in 187 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: the third round a couple of years back. He's going 188 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: to get more opportunity, more responsibility, and they're counting on 189 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: to come through. Yeah, and Tyler Lancaster. That whole rotation, Kingsley, 190 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: kiki uh. That defensive line is more than two or 191 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: three players. You have to be deep. I think last 192 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: season proved sometimes you have to be at that spot. 193 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: So I think this is a move. I likened it 194 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: in one of our conversations. I think on Unscripted already too. 195 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: They had to go, you know, Josh Sitton was released, 196 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: Lane Taylor had to step up, and now Adams is 197 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: going to be in a similar spot. The other thing 198 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: I like about Adams too, and I asked him about 199 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: this in the locker room. You know, he's a father 200 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: of two. Now we all know that story about the 201 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: night that he got drafted. You know, his fiance was 202 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: in labor, and that is in the back of his mind. 203 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: He doesn't want to just be a one and done 204 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: type player. He wants to play in this league for 205 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: eight nine years, you know, beyond that, and instead his 206 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: family and his children up for the future. That's his 207 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: extra boost, he said, and it's something that's pushing on 208 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: this camp. Yeah. Well, before we move on, I just 209 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: have to throw out another Mike Petton quote that I 210 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: thought was a classic the other day when he said 211 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: he likes having a noisy defense and what he means 212 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: by that is listening to the guys hollering back and 213 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: forth and talking and communicating. He says, if your defense 214 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: out there is quiet, that's a problem. And uh. And 215 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: his his response was in a question too, Okay, what 216 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: is different about your defense now at this stage in 217 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: year two compared to where you were in year one? 218 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 1: The short answer being, the guys are talking a lot more. 219 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: There's a there's a lot of communication, a lot of 220 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: hollering going on, and he likes that. He likes hearing 221 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: all the noise in the back end from his players. Yeah. 222 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: And as much as it is that Darius Smith and 223 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: Preston Smith and Adrian Amos and all the guys, they 224 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: added a lot of this too, is the guys like 225 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: the Montrevius Adams and in the Orn Burkes and the 226 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: players the Packers are expecting to step up from those 227 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: drafts that they've had the last few years. On the 228 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. I think the really fun 229 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,719 Speaker 1: thing for Green Bay right now is they have a 230 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: lot of those personalities. They aren't afraid to speak their mind, 231 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: the Jyr Alexander's of the world, and and I think 232 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: he's that's why they're hitting the right decibel level that 233 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: Petton has been searching for. There we go, all right, well, 234 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you on the spot here quickly. Six 235 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: practices in what's your play of training camp so far? 236 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: You know, for me, there's so many that you can 237 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: pick from here. I still really liked that past that 238 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: Deshaun Kaiser through to Econymius st. Brown. Believe it was 239 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: in last Saturday's practice, um, just because he missed on 240 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: it the day before. And you can have all the 241 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: armed talent in the world, Mike, but if you can't 242 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: put it where it needs to be, it's kind of negated. 243 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: And I feel, you know, Kaiser is still young quarterbacks, 244 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: still only twenty three. There's still room for growth. But 245 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: I like the deep ball accuracy improvements that I've seen 246 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: from him in this camp. And I also like the 247 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: fact that St. Brown got rewarded for a play that 248 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: he got open on the day before was able to 249 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: get above the defense on the second one and bring 250 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 1: it in. But man, there there, I don't want to 251 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: stealing from you, But I mean, there's so many catches, 252 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: the Jake Cumero sideline grab. Um, there's been some really 253 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: special plays I felt so far through this camp. Yeah, well, 254 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: you had mentioned a big one earlier, the the MVS 255 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: play to conclude the two minute drill where he's one 256 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: on one going down the sideline with Jayra Alexander deep 257 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: ball from Aaron Rodgers makes a great adjustment, kind of cutting, 258 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: swimming inside of Alexander to then make a diving catch 259 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: in the end zone. Now, there was some controversy. The 260 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 1: defensive players thought, maybe that's going to be offensive past interference. 261 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: So because of the controversial nature of that one, I 262 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: won't pick it. But I want to go back to um. 263 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: The other day there was a blitz drill and eleven 264 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: on eleven where Mike Petton is showing all kinds of 265 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: crazy defensive fronts. The offense has got to figure out 266 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: who's coming and whatnot. Now, the offense was a little 267 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: slow in that period and getting the play in, getting 268 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: out of the huddle, getting up to the line, of scrimmage. 269 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: They were very deliberate about some things, and that part 270 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: definitely needs to smooth out. But there were back to 271 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: back plays in that sequence, one where Rogers hit a 272 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: hot read to Jimmy Graham on a slant to be 273 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: two blitz, and then another one where he took the 274 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: the either three or five step drop and uh and through. 275 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: I guess you'd call it like a slot fade in 276 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: a sense because Geronimo Allison is running down the scene 277 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: from the slot, but Rogers just threw it up there 278 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: as like a fifty fifty ball type of thing, and 279 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: Allison just makes a great move reaching over top of 280 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: the defender to pluck the ball out of the air. 281 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: Those are the kinds of things whatever you've got with 282 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: new scheme, new offense and all the things these guys 283 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: have to learn when it comes to a defense putting 284 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: pressure and bringing the blitz on a third down and whatnot. 285 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: That's where Aaron Rodgers and veteran players who have aid 286 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: with them are going to make a difference here. And 287 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: to see those back to back plays to Graham and Allison, 288 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: I thought was a really good sign for this offense, 289 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: especially since it's gonna be two guys I think the 290 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: Packers are gonna be relying on this season. They need 291 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: Jim Graham to be a difference maker, and certainly Alison 292 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: looks like he's the front runner to be that slot 293 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: receiver in those packages where they go there. You need 294 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: to be able to feed those guys. If there's one 295 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: other thing I can mention, and it's not a particular play, 296 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,119 Speaker 1: but it's going to the one on one pass restrils. 297 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: Unlike my days of the press because that I no 298 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: longer just keep like a Excel spreadsheet of who I 299 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: consider one and lost. But for my money, this is 300 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: the most impressive the outside linebackers have been in at 301 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: least four or five years, probably going back to the 302 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: year that jero and Elliott started to open some eyes. 303 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: I think his rookie year, Zadarius Smith and Rashawn Gary 304 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: were made for that drill. It's incredible, not that one 305 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: for what they're doing off the edge, but also inside. 306 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: Reggie Gilbert had a really nice move in yesterday's practice 307 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: to get to what I would consider to be a win. 308 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: How the fact or led back to back wins that 309 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: group right now is it stands Mike, I'm not saying 310 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna surpass how many sacks they had last year. 311 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: You don't need that. It's about pressures, it's about consistency, 312 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: and it's about holding up your edge and you're being accountable. 313 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: But for all the investments the packers have made on 314 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: that side of the ball, you could be underwhelmed going 315 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: into a camp if they don't do anything. So to say, 316 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: if you're overwhelmed to a certain extent, I think there's 317 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: a credit that goes to them for that. Now it 318 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: has to translate. You have to be able to put 319 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: it on the field during games and when the clock 320 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: is actually running. But those uh, those outside backers, for 321 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: the investments the packers made there, I think they're seeing 322 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: some intriguing returns right now on that. Yeah, I would 323 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: agree with you, family, And it's right around the corner west, 324 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: the big practice under the light set lambeau Field coming 325 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: up on Friday night. Anything in particular you're looking forward to, 326 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna have your eye on, so to speak, as 327 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: we head into that practice. I mean, i'd be remiss 328 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: to not mention that I said pizza when I answered 329 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: that inset er inbox. I've always enjoyed family night for 330 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: two reasons. One, it's cliche, but it is cool seeing 331 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: that environment come back together because you gotta remember, it's 332 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: been at that point eight months since we've had been 333 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: involved in a crowd that that's that big, since that 334 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: finale against the Lions. So it's always cool to kind 335 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: of get that first little taste of it before you 336 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: get into the preseason. But the second thing I always 337 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: liked to is that it's not a preseason game. They 338 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: aren't scrimmaging anymore. But it is always something noteworthy to 339 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: see how young guys respond to that environment because you've 340 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: seen some that have completely melted under it, and you've 341 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: seen some guys you know that look good early on 342 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: really galvanized their position with solid performances in that in 343 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: that climate, So, um, you know, Sam Ficking will probably 344 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: end up kicking some field goals out. Imagine if Mason 345 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: Crosby isn't there. So there's a lot of different variables 346 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: there that the first time in front of seventy thousand people, Um, 347 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: it's just a different environment then when you're in front 348 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: of Niche. Yeah. Well, if I were to pick out 349 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: two guys that I'm definitely going to have my eye 350 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: on specifically Friday Night, one on each side of the ball. 351 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: The first one is Jamon Moore, the second year wide receiver. 352 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: We talked a lot about mvs earlier in the show, 353 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: but I said this an insider inbox the other day. 354 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: If I were to pick who Deshaun Kayser's favorite target 355 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: is when he's been running the number two offense and 356 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: practice in the eleven on eleven, I think it's been 357 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: Jamon More Number eighty two has made his share of 358 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: plays with Deshaun Kaiser, and he did make one the 359 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: other day also when he got a rep with the 360 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: ones and made a play and made a catch for 361 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers as well. This is a young guy. We 362 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: all know his rookie season did not go as hoped, 363 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: but he's showing some signs of the improvement that he's 364 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: putting that behind him, that that there's progress there and 365 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: he just has to keep climbing. He just has to 366 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: keep climbing that hill and uh and keep that arrow 367 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: pointed in the right direction. Another guy that I'm definitely 368 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,479 Speaker 1: gonna be watching for, and this is one of the rookies. 369 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: Sixth round draft pick out of Toledo, the cornerback Kadar Holman, 370 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 1: and I bring him up because I wrote about him 371 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: on the website the other day when they went to 372 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: the two minute drill in practice for the first time 373 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: in training camp. They went to two minute. Kevin King, 374 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: who has been obviously taking all the snaps at cornerback 375 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: with the number one defense, they sat him out and 376 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: rested him. They're monitoring his reps a little bit, given 377 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: his health history and everything like that. Kadar Holman, the 378 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: rookie sixth round pick, was the guy they put in 379 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: at cornerback with the number one defense. Now Josh Jackson 380 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: has not practiced yet, still dealing with a foot injury, 381 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: so that was certainly a factor there as well. But 382 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: number twenty nine, this uh, this young man from Toledo West, 383 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: he's uh, he's catching some eyeballs, he is, and it's 384 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: not worthy. Even though as you mentioned, you had the 385 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: injuries there. There's about forty eight defensive backs on this 386 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: offseason roster. It almost seems like to be able to 387 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: sort of stay above the pack in front of the 388 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: fray a little bit. I think speaks well to Holman, 389 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: especially as sort of I don't want to call him 390 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: a flyer would be disrespectful to say that, but he 391 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: didn't come from a Power five conference school. He he was, 392 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: you know, a guy that kind of came on late. 393 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: We've that's well documented at Toledo, didn't have the most 394 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: interceptions of the world. But the thing that impressed me, 395 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: going even back to the off season program is how 396 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: it just seemed like assignment sound. He is being able 397 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: to stay on his receiver, not a grabby type cornerback. 398 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: It seems like he's able to rely on his natural athleticism. 399 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: He ran a great forty time and it seems like 400 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: it translates in that regard. And let's be honest, Mike, 401 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: the Packers at some point in time this season are 402 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: going to have to rely on the number five, number 403 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: six cornerback. So for Holman to get those reps now 404 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: very valuable. I also want to mention just getting back 405 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: to Jamon more very quickly. He's making the plays he 406 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: needs to make. I haven't had a chance to interview 407 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: Jamon yet at this point, but for my money and 408 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: what I'm seeing on the field, he just looks like 409 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: he's playing football again. One of the things last summer 410 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: was just he was double you know, double clutching balls 411 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: and you know, just has you know there'll be something 412 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: that would go off his hands. There was one fumble 413 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: on an end around that he had early in camp, 414 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: but beyond that, he's been pretty consistent. So if he 415 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, he needs to continue to build. But 416 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: there's a reason why he was the first of those 417 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: three receivers taken. There's a lot of ability there. There 418 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: was a lot of production at Miszoo, so that these 419 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: next couple of weeks you are gonna be huge for 420 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: him to show really in these game settings how far 421 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: he's come. Yeah, and I'd be remiss heading into family 422 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: Night if I didn't mention the first round draft picked 423 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: Darnell Savage. He returned to practice on Tuesday, been out 424 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: with having a wisdom tooth extracted, kind of a surprise 425 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: emergency type procedure right before training camp. He's going to 426 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: be getting his workload increased little by little here. So 427 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: we'll see come Friday night under the lights at lambeau 428 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: Field if he's going to be thrown into either some 429 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: seven on seven or perhaps some eleven on eleven and 430 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: see what happens there. Because he was working as the 431 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: number one or I should say with the number one 432 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: defense alongside Adrian nam Us at safety all throughout the 433 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: offseason program since he arrived. Yeah, and if there's one spot, 434 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: not to say, you know, you don't need to be 435 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: on the field for every single play, but safety is 436 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: the one that seems to be as long as you're 437 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: in the classroom, as long as you're out there taking 438 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: the mental reps, he's gonna get what he needs out 439 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: of that. And I'll also point out if he needs 440 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: any tips on how to work through wisdom teeth. You know, 441 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: our our intern over here, Ali Pinter, she was very 442 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: diligent and and staying accountable and pushed through her own 443 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: recent surgery there, so credit to Ali al right, hats 444 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: off to her. Well, with that, we gotta go because 445 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: practice coming up here pretty soon. We've got to get 446 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: out in the field. So with that, we will sign 447 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: off on Packers on Scripted. Be sure to follow all 448 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: of our coverage of the team and everything going on 449 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: at training camp on Packers dot com. 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