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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace new clues in the San

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Speaker 1: Antonio mystery of a tout boy's disappearance. Where is Baby Gabriel?

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. Childhood friends Elizabeth and Logan have kindled

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Speaker 1: a romantic relationship and welcome to baby boy by the

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Speaker 1: name of Gabriel in Arizona. But the happy family is

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Speaker 1: troubled by Elizabeth and Logan's strained and rocky relationship, which

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Speaker 1: soon leads to disaster. Tonight, Where is baby Gabriel? Has

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Speaker 1: mommy sold the taut boy? Everyone? Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us, but for a straight out to the biodad.

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Speaker 1: Logan mcquarie is joining us. The father of baby Gabriel.

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Speaker 1: You and the mom had a very very tumultuous relationship ship.

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Speaker 1: Where do you believe baby Gabriel is tonight?

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Speaker 2: Didn't tell you. Just hope he's out there and he's

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Speaker 2: doing good wherever he's at.

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Speaker 1: How did the whole thing start? Listen?

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Speaker 3: Elizabeth graduates from a college preparatory high school in Boston

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Speaker 3: near her grandmother, with a four point zero GPA and

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Speaker 3: a full ride scholarship to Southeastern University in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 4: Elizabeth Johnson's grandfather, Robert Johnson of Scottsdale, Arizona, says, two

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Speaker 4: weeks into her first semester at Southeastern University, Elizabeth drops

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Speaker 4: out because she doesn't like her roommate. Johnson says his

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Speaker 4: granddaughter is impulsive, prone to fits of rage, and secretive

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Speaker 4: as a team. When she was living with her grandmother

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Speaker 4: in Boston, Elizabeth flew from Boston to California to sell

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Speaker 4: her reproductive eggs for cash to someone she contacted online.

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Speaker 1: I know that she sold her eggs for cash when

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Speaker 1: she was a very very young woman, still actually a teen,

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Speaker 1: But does that indicate in any way that she would

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Speaker 1: have sold baby Gabriel as she now admits that she did.

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Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning, joining me an all star

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Speaker 1: panel to make sense of where is baby Gabriel tonight

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Speaker 1: and can we bring him home? Let me give you

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Speaker 1: the tip line too, one zero to zero seven seven

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Speaker 1: six six zero repeat two one zero two zero seven

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Speaker 1: baby Gabriel is alive, he has been taken across state lines.

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Speaker 1: You know, I want to go quickly out to or

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Speaker 1: now a psychologist joining us from Manhattan today, Karen Stark. Karen,

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Speaker 1: very often, she actually tried to give the baby away.

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Speaker 1: She tried to sell the baby. We know that she

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Speaker 1: has an mo motus operandi method of operation dating back

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Speaker 1: to her teen years when she sold her eggs for money. Right,

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Speaker 1: not judging, I'm just trying to find maybe Gabriel. What

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Speaker 1: does this indicate to you, Karen Stark?

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Speaker 5: It indicates that she doesn't see this baby as a

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Speaker 5: real human being separate from her. It's like a narcissistic

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Speaker 5: attachment nancy where this baby is an extension and she

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Speaker 5: could do whatever she wants, like sell her eggs or

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Speaker 5: sell the baby. And so you wonder the psychological state

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Speaker 5: that she actually is in, just the fact that she's

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Speaker 5: so impulsive and keeps remarrying over and over again, using people, manipulative,

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Speaker 5: and she's smart, she's really smart. So she was able

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Speaker 5: to get away with this. And it's just confounding that

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Speaker 5: all this time has and this woman is not really

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Speaker 5: revealing what happened to this child. Who has this child?

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Speaker 5: If the child is alive, she doesn't care.

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Speaker 1: Did mommy sell her? Tap? Boy, Gabriel. Back to Gabriel's dad,

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Speaker 1: Logan McQuary, by all accounts a very loving and attentive

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Speaker 1: dad to Gabriel. Isn't it true that quite often she

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Speaker 1: would lash out at you and use baby Gabriel as leverage.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she would several times, like what if he was

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Speaker 2: crying too much or anything like that, She would just

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Speaker 2: say shut him up, and she would get really mad

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Speaker 2: if I wanted to do something, She wouldn't let me

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Speaker 2: and man have to stay home and take care of him.

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Speaker 1: Guys, you're seeing shots off baby Gabriel. Now, this is

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Speaker 1: how the whole thing started. Listen.

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Speaker 3: Elizabeth Johnson gives birth to a boy on May third,

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Speaker 3: and she and Logan McCreary him Gabriel. At times when

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Speaker 3: Logan asks Elizabeth what she's been doing. She replies for

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Speaker 3: him to quote shut that thing up.

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Speaker 1: So Logan, it seems like although she gave birth to

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Speaker 1: baby Gabriel, he was more of a problem for her

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Speaker 1: to quote deal with rather than like we expect moms

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Speaker 1: She did not have that attachment to baby Gabriel at all.

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Speaker 2: No, it was more like he was a thorn on

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Speaker 2: She just didn't want him around.

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Speaker 1: Was the pregnancy intentional or was it an accident?

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Speaker 2: It definitely was an accident. We didn't plan on getting pregnant.

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Speaker 2: We talked about back and forth if we wanted to

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Speaker 2: not what I was expecting.

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Speaker 1: When did you first notice, Logan that she seemed disconnected

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Speaker 1: to baby Gabriel.

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Speaker 2: Once we got home from the hospital and she just

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Speaker 2: I just kind of took over and I had to

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Speaker 2: morning and Gabriel would be in his crib and then

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Speaker 1: Joining me is Tim Maloney. This is Logan's attorney. You

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Speaker 1: guys have been through it trying to find Gabriel, baby Gabriel.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of what Logan is telling us

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Speaker 1: that the baby would still be in the crib where

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's indicative of he's got a very

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Speaker 6: was clearly demonstrating that it was just a matter of

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Speaker 6: time for a disaster was going to happen. You know,

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Speaker 6: the saddest part of this whole thing, besides the obvious,

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Speaker 6: was some competent work done by the police departments in

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Speaker 6: the various jurisdictions. You have Jami on with you today.

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Speaker 6: When she and I have been really with this story

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Speaker 6: from the very beginning, and we have done probably as

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Speaker 6: much investigation along with Abel than any police departments looking

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Speaker 6: for Gabriel. And that part is really is that there

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Speaker 6: are so many clues early on that could have given

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Speaker 6: Logan answers. That's what we promised him, was to just

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Speaker 6: give him some answers, and to this day, that's what

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Speaker 6: we'd still like to do for him. The hope and

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Speaker 6: dream is a Gabriel stood out there. We've had some

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Speaker 6: recent events of children who've been disappeared for many years

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Speaker 6: who have materialized, and that is the hope. But really,

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Speaker 6: one of the saddest things I think about this is

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Speaker 6: the fact that there are so many clues, so many

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Speaker 6: things that could have been done early on in the

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Speaker 6: investigation that could have gotten answers.

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Speaker 1: You are seeing shots right now of baby Gabriel, and

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Speaker 1: you're hearing Tim Maloney. This is the dad Logan McQuary's lawyer,

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Speaker 1: who was joined in the search to find baby Gabriel.

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Speaker 1: Is baby Gabriel out there? Did Mommy give him away

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Speaker 1: this be just another incident of her disassociation with her baby,

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Speaker 1: treating him like he's an object to be sold or

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Speaker 1: given away. You heard Tim Maloney refer to Yammy Verrhim

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Speaker 1: joining us anchor reporter K A. B. Fox twenty nine

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Speaker 1: is San Antonio, Yammy, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Tell us how the whole thing started.

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Speaker 7: It started New Year's Day, you know, photographer and myself

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Speaker 7: sitting in the newsroom when we got that facts that

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Speaker 7: came in saying that they were looking for a missing

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Speaker 7: child out of Arizona and that they believe he may

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Speaker 7: have been near the Fiesta, Texas area, which is iten

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Speaker 7: runs from you know, the east coast to the west coast,

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Speaker 7: and you know that there's a park there. So we

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Speaker 7: decided to go out and start looking. And I mean,

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Speaker 7: I don't even have the words to explain to you

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Speaker 7: how massively law enforcement has dropped the ball. And I'm

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Speaker 7: going to say it for the family because they've been

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Speaker 7: more than fair. Law enforcement has dropped the ball on

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Speaker 7: this case. It is two different jurisdictions. All we've heard

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Speaker 7: is it's not our case.

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Speaker 2: That case belongs to.

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Speaker 7: Tempe, Tempe, that case belongs to San Antonio. I mean,

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Speaker 7: we even did a report where in Aunt Sandy call

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Speaker 7: told her, Oh, that's not our case, that's a Tempee case.

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Speaker 7: This may be part of the reason why they have

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Speaker 7: no idea what happened to Gabriel.

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Speaker 1: And Sandy, as Yami just refers, is with us. Sandy

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Speaker 1: Peters is the aunt of baby Gabriel. Sandy, take me

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Speaker 1: back to the beginning what happened.

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Speaker 8: Logan had called me the first of December and told

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Speaker 8: get partial custody of Gabriel and Elizabeth was fighting, and

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Speaker 8: he called it that he thought Elizabeth was going to

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Speaker 8: I didn't I couldn't fathom that that.

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Speaker 9: She was reluctant to have a child, but I also.

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Speaker 8: Knew that she was very against having an abortion, and

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Speaker 9: To make this work. So when Logan called me and

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Speaker 8: She was going to run with Gabriel and he'd never

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Speaker 9: I told him that that just wasn't going to happen.

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Speaker 8: Get it figured out, and within a couple of days

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Speaker 8: she was gone. We weren't aware of the relationship that

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Speaker 8: Elizabeth had, that she had somebody who she was thinking

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Speaker 8: that she wanted to get Gabriel too. She had met

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Speaker 8: this Timmy and Jack in an airport. They appeared to

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Speaker 8: have a lot of money. They had offered her some

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Speaker 1: Guys, you are hearing Gabriel's and also with us is

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Speaker 1: bio Dad, a very loving and supportive father joining me now.

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Speaker 1: Special guest able Penya the director for Project Abcentists, composed

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Speaker 1: of former members FBI and federal agencies to find missing children,

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Speaker 1: their FBI agents of twenty six years experience able. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. So with the dad, the

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Speaker 1: bio dad, the legal father of the baby, she was

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Speaker 1: looking up people to give the baby too, and she

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Speaker 1: makes him at an airport, a couple she's never seen

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's sort of understanding is that she she made

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Speaker 10: efforts to give the baby away. We've undertaken just a

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Speaker 10: lot of efforts to interview witnesses, friends, acquaintances, family members

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Speaker 2: Very difficult.

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Speaker 10: We've gotten various answers from different people about what happened

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Speaker 10: to Gabriel. We have the story that you know, Elizabeth

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Speaker 1: Baby Lisa Irwin vanishes from our crib in the middle

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Speaker 13: Arizona mom Elizabeth Johnson wants to put her month old

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Speaker 1: Give the baby to a couple you meet at the airport.

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Speaker 1: Let me understand, Yemmy Verrheim with us Kabb. He's been

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Speaker 1: Was supposed to have the baby back back to Abel

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Speaker 10: Well, I have had conversations with Tammy Smith, lengthy conversations

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Speaker 1: Guys, where is baby Gabriel? What does that mean? What

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Speaker 1: When you don't know what someone is going to do,

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Speaker 6: The thing about it is her pattern of history is

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Speaker 6: And you know, that's what we're getting back to the

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Speaker 1: I think the current incident of baby Gabriel potentially being

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Speaker 1: Logan McQuary baby Gabriel's dad. Did you have any idea

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Speaker 1: Did you ever agree to putting your child up for adoption?

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Speaker 4: Logan mcquery says he never supported giving up Gabriel for

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Speaker 13: Against his dad's wishes. Baby Gabriel is left in the

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Speaker 1: It seems as if this mom, Elizabeth, will do anything

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Speaker 1: Logan, did she ever threaten to hurt baby Gabriel to

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Speaker 1: So I'm trying to make sense of what this woman

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Speaker 10: Yes, there were pings in the area. I know that

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Speaker 10: There would have been pings that she was out there again.

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Speaker 10: You know, we just don't know who she met, you know,

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Speaker 4: That listen, In San Antonio, investigators looking for baby Gabriel

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Speaker 1: And we learn more the story about a surptitious adoption

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Speaker 1: That gives me hope. That gives me hope, Logan that

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Speaker 1: corroborates what Elizabeth said.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And that's why this whole time, you could convince

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Speaker 2: me either way, it's fifty to fifty. For me. I

441
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: want to believe he's out there, and well, you know,

442
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Speaker 2: we're searching for him and just hopefully we find him someday.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we just we try to hold a faith

444
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Speaker 2: and that he'll come home from.

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Speaker 1: There very often. And I think that Abel and Tim

446
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Speaker 1: Maloney will agree with me that when you have a

447
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: statement rich in detail by a witness, that it is

448
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: more believable. I want you to listen to what else

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Speaker 1: bio Mom Elizabeth Johnson said.

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Speaker 14: At the at the bench that that you met this couple,

451
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Speaker 14: that where were they were they at a bench that

452
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Speaker 14: was seated next to anything in particular like a DIMENSIONE

453
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Speaker 14: water home, dimensioneer treat.

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Speaker 11: Or the johnle Jim said or.

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Speaker 14: Anything else about this heart that even be call it

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Speaker 14: and this is you know, this is this is the

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Speaker 14: important thing. So I want you to take a take

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Speaker 14: a miment to to relive that moment so fast. Okay, well,

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Speaker 14: I know it's a fast moment, but it's also a

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Speaker 14: very crucial moment.

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Speaker 11: In your life.

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Speaker 1: He's right, the investigator there saying, yes, it was a

463
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Speaker 1: fast moment, but it was a crucial moment. We all

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Speaker 1: have those moments that stick with us forever, and they

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Speaker 1: are just that a moment, not a minute, not an hour,

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Speaker 1: a moment. Listen to what else? She says, I looked

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Speaker 1: a little park.

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Speaker 11: Shit as bead walking. I saw a couple sitting down

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Speaker 11: on the bench, and I show the second TI walk

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Speaker 11: the other thing. He said my name, So it wasn't

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Speaker 11: the bench.

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Speaker 8: Was the bench that she saw a couple in basically

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Speaker 8: within your vision pretty much as soon as you.

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Speaker 11: Got to her, Oh Sam Way Park. I have walked

475
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Speaker 11: out of my mom into the park and walked around.

476
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Speaker 11: I saw them my heart looking around.

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Speaker 1: She says. She walked into the park and was looking

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Speaker 1: around for them, which tells me Yami Verhem that this

479
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: was set up ahead of time, and I'm thinking back

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Speaker 1: to what was in her journal, and those notes in

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Speaker 1: her journal were contemporaneous to that time where she was

482
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Speaker 1: writing out directions to get to this park. Now, at

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Speaker 1: the park, is it true? There's a bench that has

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Speaker 1: been described. Yes, there is a bench.

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Speaker 7: There are picnic tables, there's an area for the kids

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Speaker 7: to play, there's I mean, it's a normal park. You

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Speaker 7: do have to walk a little bit to get to

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Speaker 7: some of those picnic tables and benches that are there.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 7: Again, if you look at her journal, it's there. But

491
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Speaker 7: even more important, if you look also, we have the

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Speaker 7: log of calls between Jack Smith, Tammy Smith, Elizabeth Logan.

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Speaker 7: We were able to get all of that from the film,

494
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Speaker 7: and there's a flurry of activity going on. I mean,

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Speaker 7: it's there. It is there if you look at the

496
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Speaker 7: phone logs and right before she went, who did she

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Speaker 7: talk to?

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Speaker 1: Again, it was in that journal.

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Speaker 7: Now do we believe that, you know, maybe it was

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Speaker 7: set up and it never happened. That could be, or

501
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 7: it was set up and she did meet a couple

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Speaker 7: in the park.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Karen start with me, renowned

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Speaker 1: as psychologist, TV radio trauma expert at Karenstark dot com.

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Speaker 1: That's Karen with the sea if you were looking for her, Karen.

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00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: This woman, Elizabeth Johnson, seems to manipulate everyone around her,

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Speaker 1: And I could see this couple, Tammy and Jack believing

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Speaker 1: everything she said. She's very believable and believing that it

509
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: was up to them to save baby Gabriel and helping

510
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: her her. Janni Rahem believes that Jack, who would have

511
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Speaker 1: been an adoptive dad except biodad, was not adopting his

512
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: son out. He wants the baby. He wants Baby Gabriel.

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00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: So with this flurry of phone calls between her bio

514
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: mom and Jack trying to help her, that tends to

515
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: give support to the story that she later told that

516
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: she gave the baby away to the couple she met

517
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: in this part. How is it narcissistic? People can manipulate

518
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: others so well, Nancy.

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00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 5: They're really so adepted being able to convince people. They

520
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 5: they're charming, they're smart, they're able to let you feel like, wow,

521
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 5: I really need to help this person. And yet if

522
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 5: you hear her talking, you don't get any sense of

523
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 5: attachment to this child. You had the twins, I mean,

524
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 5: you love them, you care about them. This woman is

525
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 5: all over the place, trying to get rid of her

526
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 5: baby like it's a dog, not a real person, and

527
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 5: very convincing to people around her that they need a

528
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 5: help because they're worried. They probably have more connection to

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Speaker 5: the baby than she ever did, so it is plausible

530
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 5: that this actually did happen. She wanted to get rid

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Speaker 5: of him, She really wanted someone to take him, and

532
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 5: people are always looking for babies, aren't.

533
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Speaker 1: Where is baby Gabriel? Did his mother actually give him

534
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: away to a couple in apart It would not have

535
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: been the first time she tried to give him away

536
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: or adopt him out without his dad having any idea

537
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: what she was up to. Now here's her description of

538
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: the couple that took baby Gabriel with a couple.

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00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 14: Didn't didn't describe the metaphor me again, this is this

540
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 14: is some of that. Gim me you know, there's a

541
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Speaker 14: group of time, and so I take as much time.

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00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 14: And again, middle ages, I know, you know, let me.

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Speaker 11: I just want to ask you what lay.

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Speaker 1: A middle aged Yeah?

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Speaker 14: Okay?

546
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Speaker 1: To Abel Pina joining us, the director of Project absentis

547
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: on the search for baby Gabriel. What's the best description

548
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: we have of the couple that she gave baby Gabriel to.

549
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 10: Yeah, we don't have much of a description of that couple.

550
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 10: I think she's very vague in the descriptions she gives,

551
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 10: and I think really just the interview that was conducted.

552
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 10: We've listened to the interview, uh that she had with police,

553
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 10: and quite honestly, it's it's the there needed to be

554
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 10: more open ended questions rather than there were kind of

555
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 10: a lot of lead on questions. I mean, how many

556
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,479
Speaker 10: park benches are in a park. I mean there's park

557
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 10: benches in parks, there's playgrounds in parks. She could have

558
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Speaker 10: described any park in the United States.

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00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 6: I think there were.

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Speaker 1: Didn't her phone paying in that area where the park was?

561
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Speaker 9: It did ping there.

562
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 10: She could have been at the park. But all this

563
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 10: and she could have certainly described Raymond Rincus Park because

564
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 10: the way she described it was Raymond Rincus. But it's

565
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 10: also a description of many parks here in San Antonio.

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Speaker 1: So okay, let me understand something to Yammy vere him

567
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Speaker 1: following up on what Abel is telling us. I want

568
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: to gather quickly, Marshall, what we know about that park.

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Speaker 1: Her phone painged at the park. She describes the park.

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Speaker 1: She describes going in and looking around and finally seeing

571
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Speaker 1: the couple. Another thing in her journal there handwritten descriptions

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00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: about how to get to the park. And not only that,

573
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: an employee at that motel described seeing her speaking to

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00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: a couple beforehand that resembles the description we're given. Is

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00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: all of that correct? Correct?

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00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 7: A lot of those things do match up also with

577
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 7: what the clerk said. And I'm telling you I talked

578
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 7: to that clerk. She gave the description she said where

579
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 7: they were standing. The other thing that stands out about

580
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 7: all of this someone was with Elizabeth while she was here.

581
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 7: That clerk told me that when she went to knock

582
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Speaker 7: on the door to tell her that they had to

583
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Speaker 7: move to the hotel room upstairs, that there was a

584
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Speaker 7: man that answered that door. So who was the person

585
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 7: that was with Elizabeth. There's many questions that have yet

586
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 7: to be answered to the rest of the world. Maybe

587
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 7: the police department in San Antonio knows more about it.

588
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 7: But when I've asked, the person who used to be

589
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 7: the lead investigator who's now one of the deputy chiefs, oh, no,

590
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 7: that wasn't really anything. Well, I talked to the clerk

591
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 7: before they did. I know what she told me, and

592
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 7: this young woman had no reason to lie. She was

593
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 7: actually quite scared to even talk to us then.

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00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: And yet another effort to lash out at the bio

595
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: dad Logan McCreary, bio mom throws out the worst possibility.

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Speaker 3: Even though Elizabeth Johnson told Baby Gabriel's father she killed

597
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Speaker 3: his son, many people believe she only said that to

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00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: her Logan McCreary. At the time of her arrest. Three

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Speaker 3: days after leaving San Antonio by bus, she tells the

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Speaker 3: FBI she gave the baby away.

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Speaker 9: She gave Elizabeth her diamond ring.

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00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 8: It was about a three five thousand dollar ring, her

603
00:36:59,200 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 8: wedding ring.

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00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 5: I was from care that day, but my granddaughter was

605
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 5: at her house and so she shot her give it

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Speaker 5: away to Elizabeth.

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Speaker 9: That was before the baby disappeared, so.

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Speaker 1: There was a money exchange. A thirty five thousand dollars

609
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: ring was given to Elizabeth Johnson just before baby Gabriel disappears.

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00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: All of this supporting the theory that Baby Gabriel was

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00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: given away or sold by mommy. Yet there's this I

612
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: would do you know that?

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00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 9: So I don't yeah before my baby.

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Speaker 1: Boy to Sandy Paters joining us this is baby Gabriel's aunt, Sandy.

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Speaker 1: I know when you and Logan hear that, it's like

616
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Speaker 1: a dagger in your heart. But what do you make

617
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: of her reason for telling Logan she had killed the

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00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: baby when all the evidence tends to point to the

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Speaker 1: fact that she gave or sold the baby, gave away

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Speaker 1: or sold baby Gabriel.

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Speaker 8: When I first heard the recording of Elizabeth and her

622
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Speaker 8: saying that she killed Gabriel, I believed her, and so,

623
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Speaker 8: like you said, it was unbelievably emotional. However, I think

624
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 8: Elizabeth she was very close to Logan and very jealous

625
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Speaker 8: of Logan's relationship with Gabriel, and I believed that at

626
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Speaker 8: the beginning, when Elizabeth told Logan that she killed the baby, she.

627
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 9: Thought Logan would Logan would be able.

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Speaker 8: To fix their relationship, go back to what it used

629
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Speaker 8: to be like Gabriel wouldn't be with them anymore, and

630
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Speaker 8: things would be fine. She had no idea that Logan

631
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 8: would take this to the police and that it would

632
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Speaker 8: go national and be the story that it ended up being.

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Speaker 1: To Yami Verrheim joining us Kabb Fox twenty nine, San Antonio,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been the first time that she lashed

635
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: out at Logan, lying or even in her behavior, her

636
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: physical behavior, just to get back at him, just to

637
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: hurt him. So much of the evidence points to the

638
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: fact that she sold her own baby.

639
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 7: That may be the case, and there was a ring

640
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 7: that was found in her possession of San Antonio police

641
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 7: department downplayed it, said that wasn't worth anything, but when

642
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 7: we went back and looked at the records from Tempe,

643
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 7: we were told that that ring was worth a certain

644
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 7: amount of money. Now, we also had an adoption specialist

645
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 7: that I had found independently, and she told us in

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Speaker 7: San Antonio, San Antonio is known to be an area

647
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Speaker 7: where children can be adopted out a little bit easier

648
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 7: because of Texas loss number one and number two, that

649
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Speaker 7: it is customary for the birth mom to get some

650
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Speaker 7: sort of a quote unquote gift. So the gift cannot

651
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 7: be money, but it could be a ring, it could

652
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Speaker 7: be a car, it could be something that comes from

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Speaker 7: the adoptive parents. So that's why we believe that that

654
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 7: part of the story is also true, that something was

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Speaker 7: given to her in exchange for the baby. Did she

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Speaker 7: give the baby for sure to a couple we don't know,

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Speaker 7: and I think that's part of the reason why Logan

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Speaker 7: says fifty to fifty. I'll be honest with you, I'm

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Speaker 7: fifty to fifty to.

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Speaker 1: Logan mcquery, Logan, what is your message tonight in your

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Speaker 1: attempt to find your baby?

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Speaker 2: Just if anybody knows anything, come forward. The littlest thing

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Speaker 2: could help. You know, we still want to believe that

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Speaker 2: Gabriel's out there and we just want to meet him.

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Speaker 2: See how we doing.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever dream about Gabriel?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Definitely, what what do you dream Someday he'll be found

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Speaker 2: and can meet my kids, me and my family. You know,

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Speaker 2: he has brothers and sisters that you know still wonder

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Speaker 2: where he is and wonder they're ever going to meet him.

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Speaker 1: If you know or even think you know, where is

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Speaker 1: a baby Gabriel? Please dial two one zero to zero

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Speaker 1: seven seven six six zero. And now we remember an

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Speaker 1: American hero patrol with David Evans, San Antonio PD shot

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Speaker 1: and killed the line of duty thirty years with l

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Speaker 1: E law enforcement, leaving behind a grieving wife, Elizabeth, children, Jennifer,

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey and Julie. American hero Patrolman David Evans, Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,