1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty and relationships. It's the Velvet's 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson. 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: In her new book Dark Calories, How vegetable oils destroy 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: our health and how we get it back, Doctor Kate 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 2: has provided shocking evidence that vegetable oils are a public 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: health disaster, wreaking havoc on our bodies, depleting anti accidents, 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: and causing the cellular damage that underlies virtually all chronic disease. 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: So she's here with us today to discuss these things. Hi, 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 2: doctor Kate, Hello. 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 3: It's so nice to be here with you today. 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for being here with us. You say 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: that vegetable oils are the number one cause of health 13 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: issues in our country. 14 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 3: Ute, let's just talk. 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 2: Let's just start with basics, because we were talking a 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 2: little bit about this topic beforehand, and you were like, 17 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: how did you even why do you want to talk 18 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: about this? How did this even come on your radar? 19 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: And I was saying to you, I'm starting to see 20 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: more and more info about the damage that vegetable oils 21 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: are doing to our bodies. So let's start with the 22 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: basics and give the listeners what are vegetable oils. 23 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, So vegetable oil is not a precise term. It's 24 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 3: not the right term. It's the term that industry uses, however, 25 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 3: So that's why I started out using that term myself. 26 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 3: When I wrote my first book, which was completed in 27 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 3: two thousand and nine, I was just showing pictures from that. 28 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 3: So I've been talking about this topic for twenty plus 29 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 3: years now, and I'm so glad that folks like you 30 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 3: are interested in it now, because before it was not. 31 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: It was niche, niche, niche. Yeah, so I had to 32 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 3: come since vegetable oil is an industry term that you know, 33 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 3: doesn't it's not wasn't designed to help us understand what's 34 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 3: good or bad to eat. It was really just designed 35 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 3: back in eighteen hundreds to distinguish it from things like 36 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 3: whale oil, which aren't even in the foods bl anymore. 37 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 3: That were like animal versus vegetable fats. Really, that's all 38 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 3: it was. Like whale oil is being used for perfume 39 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 3: and lamps stuff, and vegetab oils just had different chemical properties, 40 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 3: so they just needed a different name. But so the 41 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 3: ones that we need to worry about come from seeds. 42 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: Some people call them seed oils because of that. But 43 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: I call them the Hateful Eight because there's eight of 44 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 3: them and it doesn't matter you know where they came 45 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 3: from because it really by the time they're done being processed, 46 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 3: they're anti natural. So we want to memorize these oils, 47 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 3: these eight oils, please. So there's three seeds corn canola, 48 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 3: cotton seed, three s's, soy, sunflower, safflower, and then there's 49 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 3: like the valel sometimes why and you know that is 50 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 3: rice brand and grape seed. And those two are special 51 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 3: because they're mostly only in restaurants. So if you have 52 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 3: you want to live, only want to memorize six. Just 53 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: memorize the first six, the three season and three s's 54 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 3: because those are what's going to show up on the 55 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 3: ingredients list when you're shopping, so you want to memorize those. 56 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 3: And I like to say, if you can turn the 57 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: container around, the product around, you can turn your metabolism 58 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 3: around because you have to know what you're eating first 59 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 3: and foremost. 60 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: So look, yeah, so I was going to ask you 61 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: where will where would we find these, like what kind 62 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: of products, what kinds of foods? Is it everywhere? Is 63 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: it just in restaurants? Is it in our grocery stores. 64 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: Where are we going to find these things? 65 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 3: You're going to find them everywhere. And that's why I 66 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 3: tell people to remember their APC's always be checking, you know, 67 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: because they end up in everything. So of course it's 68 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 3: cooking oil, right, that's that's an easy swap. If you're 69 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: using canola, just use one of the healthier oils, like 70 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: an olive oil or an avocado oil. Have lists of 71 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: those in my book too, or butter that's my personal favorite. 72 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 3: But they will be in any could be in any 73 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 3: product that has an ingredients list. So the obvious things 74 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 3: are junk food. 75 00:03:59,160 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: Right. 76 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 3: That's why start with talking about junk food, because because 77 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 3: we often think of junk food as being full of 78 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 3: saturated fat which comes from animals, but it's not. It's 79 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 3: full of these vegetable oils. And in fact, I've taken 80 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 3: to saying vegetable oil puts the junk in junk food 81 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: because it's worse than all the other ingredients in junk food. 82 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: So when I say junk food, I'm talking about chips 83 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 3: and snack crackers and muddles. Is junk food candy? Yeah? Yeah? 84 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 3: And doughnuts and muffins and pastries. Those very could have 85 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: those things. Now here's on the good news. In the 86 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 3: past ten years, palm oil has become more available in 87 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 3: the food supply, and that's in a lot of muffins 88 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 3: and stuff that you're going to be bringing to people's 89 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 3: house for parties, pies and stuff like that. Palm oil 90 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: is not one of the Hateful Eight. It's not a 91 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 3: super healthy oil, but it's not toxic. Okay, so always 92 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 3: be teching. You got to know what you're eating. Other 93 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 3: things that people are surprised that it's in is salad 94 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 3: dressing because a lot of folks will assume, well, salad 95 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 3: dressing that's got to be healthy. Even if it's organic, 96 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 3: doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You can make organic soy corn, canola, 97 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 3: et cetera. Other surprising things are things like sun dried tomatoes, tuna, 98 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 3: any kind of canned food, any kind of preserved food. 99 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: It's even in things like dried cranberries and dried blueberries. 100 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 3: Why because it has anti fungal properties. Because it's anti life, 101 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 3: you know, it's toxic, and it also keeps the blueberries 102 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 3: from clumping to each other. Because it has sort of 103 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: a plasticizing effect, it can polymerize and. 104 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: Even that when you say that, I'm like, and we 105 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: put that in our body. That can't be good. Do 106 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? 107 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: No, it cannot be good. You put it perfectly. And 108 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 3: yet here's the crazy part. Doctors and dieticians will promote 109 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 3: these very oils as heart healthy, and you go to 110 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 3: buy a bottle of corn oil mazzola and it will 111 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 3: say heart healthy endorsed by the American Heart Association. And 112 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 3: that's the crazy, crazy, sick, deceitful part. Why I call 113 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: it dark calories because it's dark and evil. 114 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: So let's talk about what this causes, Like why would 115 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: we want to even stay away from these kind of oils? 116 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 3: Right? Very important? So what's the problem. Well, they contain toxins, 117 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: and what are these toxins do to us? Well, for 118 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 3: one thing, they do absolutely everything that every human being 119 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 3: does not want, any kind of disease that's been in 120 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 3: the news lately, like, for example, the reason people are 121 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: all taking ozembic, They cause waking, They make us hungry. 122 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: How do they do that, Well, that's kind of complicated 123 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 3: to get into. It has to do with how they 124 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 3: change our metabolism by damaging our mitochondria, which is how 125 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: our cells generate energy. They change how our cells generate energy, 126 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: and they make our body fat. They alter our body fat, 127 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: the chemistry of it, so that it's more polyant saturated, 128 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: it's physically softer, it has a different melting point, it's 129 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: more probably prone to cellulate. Makes your body fat, more 130 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 3: prone to inflammation, so that you get worse sunburns you get. 131 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 3: It's right under your skin, so you get more inflammatory diseases, 132 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: skin inflammation like acne, psoriasis, eggzema. Some of these conditions 133 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 3: are you know, can be quite serious for people. They 134 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: can be quite life changing and life altering and certainly embarrassing. 135 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 3: Skin conditions can often be the facial dermatitis is like 136 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: sebariic dermatitis, any kind of They can affect how your 137 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: hair grows, so they can promote hair loss. There's really 138 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 3: no end to the bad things that they can do. Well. 139 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: What's so interesting is as I listen to you talk, 140 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: I'm thinking of all these things like the acne, the psoriasis, 141 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: all of these things that we end up throwing another 142 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: pill at. But while we're still not changing our diet, 143 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: so we're continuing the cycle of making ourselves sick, causing 144 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: all of these things in our bodies and then taking 145 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: another pill that's probably giving us all these other symptoms 146 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: are causing something else in our body, but treating the 147 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: symptom of acne or something like that. 148 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, taking pills for ACN? What is that? What 149 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 3: are they? Generally? They're generally antibiotics. That's one of the 150 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: most common categories which are right now are damaging to 151 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: the microbiome potentially permanently. And other acne medications that are stronger, 152 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: like acutineose are so damaging that you absolutely cannot get 153 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 3: pregnant while you're taking them because your baby will practically 154 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 3: be guaranteed to have some kind of malformation. It's it's 155 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 3: that damaging. They're yatogenic, meaning they cause limb malformation and 156 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 3: organ malf in. That's why you have to take a 157 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 3: birth control pills and swear up and down to your 158 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: doctor like every time you go in that you are 159 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 3: taking your birth control pills. You know. It's that's just 160 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 3: an example. I'm just talking the tip of the iceberg here. 161 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 3: I could go on for hours. Yeah, I was. 162 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: Whenever I was researching and going through this book. You 163 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: talk a lot about the unrecognized link between just these 164 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 2: oils and then mental illness, infertility, low testosterone, chronic pain, 165 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 2: heart disease, Alzheimer's cancer, hype two diabetes. I mean, so 166 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: many more in all these inflammatory conditions, which I do 167 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 2: find that they seem more prevalent nowadays. Am I making 168 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: that up? Or is it? 169 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 3: Yes? 170 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: Okay, you talk a little bit about that. 171 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean yeah, it's hard to know. Like 172 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 3: if you're young and beautiful like you. 173 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: Are, oh, thank you. 174 00:09:55,600 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 3: But but at my age, I can tell you for 175 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: sure this. When I was growing up, you know, I 176 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 3: went to grade school in the seventies and nobody was overweight. 177 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 3: In grade school, nobody was overweight, and fourth grade children 178 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: had so much bursting. We were bursting with energy that 179 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 3: where I went to school, kids literally, I kid you not, 180 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 3: were doing backflips up the handicap ramp, in the steps 181 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 3: literally and cartwheels. Had so much energy. And during recess, 182 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 3: which we had to have twice a day because that 183 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 3: once wasn't enough, they were running around. They were doing 184 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 3: double dutch. But that has changed. Now children are overweight, 185 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 3: they're tired, They just you have to encourage them to exercise, 186 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 3: You have to encourage them to go outside it's not 187 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 3: the same. And that's just one example. I mean another thing. 188 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 3: When I was in medical school, the type two diabetes, 189 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 3: which we now know is related to obesity, we weren't 190 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 3: sure even about that because it was so rare. It 191 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: was mostly associated with aging and seen to run in 192 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: certain families or certain races, so we thought it was genetic. 193 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 3: And the rates of type two diabetes were just fractional 194 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 3: of what they are today. It was like one or 195 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 3: two percent. Now it's something like thirty percent of the 196 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 3: adult population. We called it age associated diabetes, but now 197 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:19,719 Speaker 3: children have it. 198 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: That was unheard of. 199 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 3: So things have radically radically changed for the worse. 200 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: Right, And it's coming from our food. 201 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: It's definitely coming from our food, for sure. It's definitely 202 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 3: coming from the environment. Nobody argues about that, right. A 203 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 3: lot of people are confused about, well, there's lots of 204 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 3: toxins in the environment too. How important is that right 205 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 3: relatively speaking? And I would say it's, you know, far 206 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: less because we consume. The amount of vegetable oils we 207 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 3: consume has to be. This is a big reality check 208 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: for a lot of folks. Thirty percent of the average 209 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 3: person's calories is now coming from these oils, and it 210 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 3: wasn't back in the nineteen seventies. It was something like 211 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 3: maybe ten percent. So it makes sense in a correlation 212 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 3: level that when you look at what is the biggest, 213 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: biggest change, there is no bigger change than the vegetable 214 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 3: oils and they, in fact didn't even exist two hundred 215 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 3: years ago. You can't say that about anything else in 216 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 3: the food supply that is considered a main ingredient that 217 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 3: is considered food. Right, we have these additives and preservatives, 218 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 3: but nobody thinks the fools are healthy. 219 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about why this shift did 220 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 2: because I was listening to you on another podcast and 221 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: you talked about doctor ansel Keys, and this obviously makes 222 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: sense when we look back. I mean people used to cook. 223 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 2: You mentioned butter earlier, and I immediately thought of my 224 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: grandmother and everything she cooked with with butter and just 225 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: like a real, you know, full fat kind of thing. 226 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: And then somewhere along the lines, we got told that 227 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: cholesterol was causing heart attacks and that cholesterol was coming 228 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: from things like better and he was a big part 229 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: of that. So can you kind of give the listeners 230 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: the backstory there and then help explain why that is 231 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: not an accurate description of what's happening. 232 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 3: Right. So, in Dark Calories, I tell the story of 233 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 3: Ansel Keys. And this story of Ansel Keys, in his 234 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 3: relationship with the American Heart Association, is the story of 235 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 3: the biggest scandal that's been perpetrated on Americans and now 236 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 3: the entire world in history. And the scandal is that 237 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: Ansel Keys was basically an egomaniac who hated gluttony, who 238 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: hated gluttons fat, and the fat Man was a glutton. 239 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 3: This is these are his words. The fat Man did 240 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: not take his health seriously, and this was quoted in 241 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 3: Time magazine. So he had no respect for OBC as 242 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 3: a disease or anything like that. It was considered, you know, 243 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 3: by him, it was just a moral failing, right, And 244 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 3: so he was obsessed with proving that fat and sinfully 245 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 3: indulgent foods were the root cause, to the point that 246 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 3: he totally covered up the evidence he was collecting on 247 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 3: cigarettes causing heart attacks. He covered up the evidence that 248 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 3: he had, I want to say it again, that cigarette 249 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: smoking was the cause of heart attacks. And he led 250 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: the American public to believe that saturated fat was the 251 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 3: cause not just the American public. He led doctors, he 252 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 3: bullied doctors, He lied about having five thousand heart attack 253 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 3: cases that proved that, oh, all these people they were 254 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 3: eating saturated fat, and I guess no, they weren't really smokers. Lies, lies, lies, 255 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: And he was working for the American Heart Association. The 256 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 3: American Heart Association, by the way, if you don't know, 257 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 3: it's not a government organization, a lot of people think 258 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 3: it's like part of the government. Sure, so this is 259 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: like the dark side of capitalism at work here. This 260 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 3: is a private organization of doctors, and they needed money 261 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 3: to find out what was the real root cause of 262 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 3: heart attacks because nobody knew. Believe it or not, heart 263 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 3: attacks were so rare in the nineteen tens and twenties 264 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 3: that doctors who specialize in heart health and heart diseases 265 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 3: of the heart could go entire careers without seeing one. 266 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 3: So they were basically yeahs. 267 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: You can't even get over that stat what Yeah, they 268 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: were basically non existent because why well, almost nobody smoked. 269 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 2: Oh okay, this is back in the tens and twenties, 270 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 2: like you said, and then tens, yes, and so then 271 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: in the fifties and sixties, people were smoking like chimneys. 272 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 3: Yes, it's an interesting little factoid. In World War Two, 273 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: ansel Keys also made sure that every body in the army, 274 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 3: in the military had cigarettes in their little meal Mrs Meals, 275 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 3: ready to eat, their their their packaged food. That's how 276 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 3: he got into nutrition and into the public realm was 277 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 3: by designing the k ration for the military, which included 278 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 3: cigarettes and a lot of junk food basically candy bars 279 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 3: and crap. So ansel Keys had these relationships with industry, 280 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 3: but he also was very influential in the American Heart 281 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 3: Association because he just had this force of personality that basically, 282 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 3: if you didn't line up with him, he could make 283 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 3: other people turn against you. I haven't heard of that before, 284 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 3: so so yes, that happens a lot, and it happens 285 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 3: in medicine. It happened in the history of the American 286 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 3: Heart Association. Now, why why was the American Heart Association 287 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 3: on board? Besides just ansel KEUISA was Another reason had 288 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 3: to do with money. Okay, the American Heart Association took 289 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 3: money from a company called Procter and Gamble. One of 290 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 3: their big products was soy oil. Soybean oil, not soybeans 291 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 3: oil extracted from soybeans, completely new product to the American consumer. 292 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 3: Nobody wanted to eat it. It smelled different, weird, didn't 293 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 3: seem like, you know, something that should be consumed, and housewives, 294 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 3: who were doing most of the shopping back in those days, 295 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 3: just wouldn't buy it. So so crazy story the Procter 296 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 3: and Gamble. They hired a public relations expert who knew 297 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 3: exactly what to do. He solved the problem. He said, 298 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 3: let's just donate money to a medical organization, because you know, 299 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 3: when you give doctors money, they there's always somebody who's 300 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 3: going to take the dollar bill, and you know has 301 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 3: a belief system that aligns with your product. Don't worry 302 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 3: about It'll work out for you. So they they took 303 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 3: this gamble. They gave American Our Association one point seventy 304 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 3: five million dollars in nineteen forty eight, which had. 305 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 2: A ton of money back then. 306 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: Yes, so that was it's worth about thirty million today, 307 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 3: and lo and behold. A few years short years later, 308 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 3: they started promoting these oils as heart healthy and made 309 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 3: a whole bunch of more money selling cookbooks that promoted 310 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 3: the products that Procter and Gamble was making bad bad organization. 311 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 3: That organization is still the organization today that teaches medical 312 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 3: doctors and dietitians and nutritionists and anybody who has to 313 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 3: get a license. It teaches them what fats are good 314 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 3: and what fats are bad. And that's why we have 315 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 3: all this controversy. That's why people are coming out defending 316 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 3: seed oils, right, Like you've probably seen people on the 317 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 3: web now saying, yeah, I think seed oils are bad. Right. 318 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 3: Maybe they don't know a whole bunch about why, but 319 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 3: they heard something and it was really convincing. And then 320 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 3: there's all these doctors debunking them now, right. 321 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,719 Speaker 2: Because the doctors are no, I haven't seen that, but 322 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 2: the doctors are basically in with the Heart Association. 323 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 3: Right, they're educated by it. They're not paid, they don't 324 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 3: know anything about the money. If they did know about 325 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 3: the money, they probably wouldn't do this. Yeah. So that's 326 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 3: why I wrote this story in dark Calories, because I 327 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 3: believe in my heart that most doctors don't want to 328 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 3: participate in making their patients sick. Yeah, and so if 329 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 3: they knew the history, they would their eyes would be open, 330 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 3: their mind might be blown as it should be, because 331 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 3: they have been making their patients sick with this advice 332 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 3: to stay away from butter and worry about your cholesterol. 333 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 3: That's all made up by the American Heart Association. 334 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 2: I think that's what's so scary about what's happened in 335 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 2: our culture over the last few decades is that we 336 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 2: want to trust the government, the FDA, the Heart Association, 337 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 2: things that like that, that we think would have our 338 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 2: best interests at heart. But you can't blindly trust them, unfortunately, 339 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: because there are all these motivations that we don't see 340 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 2: or know about our money, like you're talking about, and 341 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 2: they're even educating the doctors in a false way. So 342 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 2: you really do have to know your own body and 343 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: do your own research about what you're putting into it. 344 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 2: So how do we know when we're going to, like 345 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 2: a restaurant or something, how do we know if they're 346 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 2: using a seed oil or not? 347 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 3: They pretty much are unless they say otherwise, you know, 348 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 3: like unless you're going to a mom and pop Italian 349 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 3: restaurant or Mediterranean restaurant where they have strong, thick accents 350 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 3: and they are therefore more likely to be importing their 351 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 3: family's brand of Italian oil. Like that's for the restaurants 352 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 3: now that use good oils. You have to ask, can 353 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 3: you make something in bug? Can you make something with cream? 354 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 3: You know? So I have actually so many tips and 355 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,959 Speaker 3: practical ideas on how to navigate this stuff while you're 356 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 3: dining out in the back of the book Dark Calories, 357 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 3: because there's more than there's more to it. There's like 358 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 3: there are certain ethnic restaurants, for example, that are more 359 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 3: likely than others to have healthy fats. Right, So it's 360 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 3: not Italian, believe it or not. So actually, one of 361 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 3: my favorite examples is Indian restaurants, believe it or not, 362 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 3: because while we think everybody over in India is vegan, 363 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 3: that's not true. They are big dairy consumers and they 364 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 3: love their butter, their ghee, their cream, their yogurt, and 365 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 3: so lots of the dishes at an Indian restaurant are 366 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 3: going to be made with those ingredients instead of the 367 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 3: seed oils, although they still do have the seat oils. 368 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 3: So you just have to learn some of the the 369 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 3: language you know of like what what's a corma, what's panier? 370 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 3: So those are the things that you can learn to 371 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 3: navigate each and each ethnicity has that kind of a thing. 372 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 2: I would imagine some listeners are hearing this, going, wait, 373 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: you want me to eat butter? You want me to 374 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 2: eat all these things that I've been trained to think 375 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 2: will make me fat. So how do we change the 376 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 2: narrative around that when we've grown up thinking one way? 377 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,479 Speaker 3: Yeah? So, like, well, one way is the education. Read 378 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 3: the book and hopefully it'll convice you. But I guess 379 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 3: you mean more like on a gut level, right, Yeah. 380 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: Just like reprogramming your own mind to understand, like, these 381 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 2: things are not going to make you obesely fat, you know, 382 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 2: or obese in the way that you're thinking. In fact, 383 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 2: we need healthy fats. So how do we reprogram our minds? 384 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's talk about what our body is made 385 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 3: out of, what our brain is made out of. We're 386 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 3: built out of fat, our ore, of course, our our 387 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 3: body fat is built out of fat. But when we 388 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 3: eat vegetable oils, it makes us build more fat that 389 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 3: we can't burn. And butter. Butter is a different chemistry. 390 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 3: So we eat butter. The fat that we build out 391 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 3: of butter, we can burn it, we can get energy 392 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 3: from it. Okay, that's why it's filling and satiating. Because 393 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 3: nature is very smart. Nature's not stupid. We don't crave 394 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 3: fat because nature made some big, you know, colossal mistake 395 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 3: and you know, oops, should have made you crave sugar. Well, 396 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 3: I guess that's a bad example. Should have made you 397 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 3: creve vegetable oil. Yeah, right, nobody craves vegetable oil. But 398 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 3: vegetable oil changes metabolism so that you do crave sugar. 399 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 3: And that's the crazy part that, like that blew my 400 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,479 Speaker 3: mind when I figured that out, because my whole life 401 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 3: I had been a sugar pholock. And you know, I 402 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 3: changed my diet around age thirty four thirty five, and 403 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 3: I I decided that's a whole different story, but it 404 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 3: had to do with my own health problems that I 405 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: had been having from eating vegetable oils that were very 406 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 3: serious and like made me like really rethink my diet, 407 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 3: and so I changed everything. I got the vegetable oils out. 408 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 3: I started eating more butter and healthy fats, and I 409 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 3: cut down on my sugar too. And just the concept 410 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 3: of being able to cut down on sugar, the thinking 411 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 3: that I could do it, I never had thought that 412 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: until I god the vegetable oil out of my life 413 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: and got more butter and healthy foods, and then it 414 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 3: was so easy. It was so darn easy, and I 415 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 3: was like, well, I should have I've tried this before. 416 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 3: But then as I learned more, So that was right 417 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 3: around age thirty five, it took me a couple of 418 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 3: years more to figure out how vegetable oils had actually 419 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 3: been making me crave sugar. So like, that's just examples 420 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 3: of how bad these things are and how butter and 421 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 3: eggs and cheese can solve that unhealthy relationship with things 422 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 3: that raise your blood sugar, which include things like potato 423 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 3: chips and the savory thing. 424 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 2: Right right, Well, I love giving the listeners an actionable step. 425 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 2: So you have a two week plan to help us 426 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 2: ditch vegetable oils for good and chart a path to 427 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 2: better eating and overall health. Can you kind of dive 428 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 2: into that two week plan for us and give us 429 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 2: how do we just do this? How do you if 430 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 2: I'm listening to you right now, going okay, I'm about 431 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 2: to go check every label of anything in my kitchen. 432 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 2: But where do we start? 433 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 3: Well, you start with those labels. And one of the 434 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 3: things that I help people I walk you through in 435 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 3: the book is going through and how do you even 436 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,719 Speaker 3: work organize this? So I have a plan of attack 437 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 3: in there and you know what what to start with 438 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 3: and how to write lists. And also very important is 439 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 3: how to know how much is not to not is okay? 440 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 3: Like how to tell if the amount of it has 441 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 3: is insignificant and not going to hurt you because it 442 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 3: is in so many things now it's added for so 443 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 3: many different reasons, like as a flow agent in spice mixes. Right, 444 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 3: So the amount you're getting there is think of how 445 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 3: much spices are added to your food, you know, like 446 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 3: a pinch of this right, right, and so and it's 447 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 3: one percent or less of that. So if it's in 448 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 3: a spice mix, it's just not worth worrying about. You 449 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 3: can still buy that product, right, So that's essential to 450 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 3: know so that you there's some foods you can eat, right. 451 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 3: And also you need to know how are you going 452 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 3: to make stuff like fast and easy? So just because 453 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 3: you don't have can't nobody has time to cook every 454 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 3: single meal, And do you have to buy all this 455 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 3: expensive stuff? The answer is no, you don't have to 456 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 3: cook every single meal. And no, it doesn't all have 457 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 3: to be organic, it doesn't have to be the most 458 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 3: expensive stuff, because you know, like there's thirty seven different, 459 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 3: thousand things out there people are telling you to avoid 460 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 3: to worry about. And the key thing that I wanted 461 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 3: to accomplish with this book is to recognize that all 462 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 3: this time what's been making us sick is not the 463 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 3: you know, gluten doesn't make people gain weight, it gives 464 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 3: people SEAIAC disease, right, and the toxins in our food. 465 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 3: A healthy liver can actually eliminate those. Healthy kidneys can 466 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 3: handle some small amounts of toxins contaminating, like the artificial 467 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 3: flavorings and the you know, the artificial colorings and stuff 468 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 3: like that. A healthy metabolism can truly handle that kind 469 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 3: of stuff. So you don't have to worry about every 470 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 3: last little thing. Just start with the easiest, most important thing, 471 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 3: and that's the vegetable oils. And that's a big part 472 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 3: of the plan because then you can eat things like well, 473 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 3: we already talked about butter and stuff with cholesterol, right, 474 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 3: peanut butter, Right, people worry you have worried about aflatoxin 475 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 3: and peanut butter and peanuts are supposed to be bad 476 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 3: because of that. Well I put that in. You got 477 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 3: to put that in perspective. First of all, many many 478 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 3: plants have aflatoxin contaminants, and you know it's just the 479 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 3: low quality stuff has more garbage in it. So get 480 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 3: the most expensive peanut butter you can afford. And I 481 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 3: and you want to avoid the seed oils, right, So 482 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 3: what do you do with peanut butter. You can put 483 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 3: it on celery, slice an apple in half and put 484 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 3: it on your apple. I love that combination peanut butter. 485 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 3: And then if you can drink milk, have it with 486 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 3: a glass of milk, wash it down and that is 487 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 3: a very filling lunch. Yeah. 488 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's really just about changing the mindset, checking 489 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 2: the labels real food always in saying that as well 490 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 2: to people, it's like, I think we process so much 491 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 2: these days, and that is one of the main issues 492 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 2: because there's so many added ingredients that we just don't need. 493 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 2: And it's things like what you said to preserve the 494 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 2: food to actually or to produce it in bulk. But 495 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 2: if we're putting that inside of our bodies, we're not 496 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 2: paying attention to what that is even doing to us. 497 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: The book again is called Dark Calories, How vegetable oils 498 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 2: destroy our health and how we get it back. I'll 499 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 2: put it in the description of the podcast for you, guys, 500 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,479 Speaker 2: doctor Kate. Where else can people find you? If they 501 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 2: want to keep up with your work. 502 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 3: Please visit my website which is doctor k dot com 503 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 3: and that's spelled d R C A t e dot com. 504 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 3: And please sign up for my newsletter which comes out 505 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 3: about once a month, and that way you'll stay up 506 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 3: to date with useful articles that I write. And also 507 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 3: I'm working on a project that helps teach folks how 508 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 3: to incorporate like healthy eating, how to make it as 509 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,479 Speaker 3: easy as possible to do that, and even you know, 510 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 3: start learning how to cook a little bit the easiest possible, 511 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 3: most healthy foods. Amazing. 512 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 2: Again, I'll put that in a description of the podcast 513 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 2: for you guys. Thank you so much for being here 514 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 2: with us today and educating us on seed oils. I'm 515 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 2: gonna go read all my labels in my kitchen right now. 516 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 3: Thank you, Kelly. It's been great chatting with you. Thank 517 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 3: you for inviting me onto your show with your audience. 518 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 2: Of course, thank you guys for listening. 519 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Velvet's Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson, 520 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: where we believe everyone has a little Velvet in a 521 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: little Edge. Subscribe for more conversations on life, style, beauty 522 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: and relationships. Search Velvet's Edge wherever you get your podcasts.