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Speaker 1: On today's episode, it's the quest for ten wins for

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Speaker 1: pitt Oklahoma State and UCLA. Welcome to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 2: I'll that for me.

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Speaker 1: I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 3: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 3: be happy, you want to be happy for day Edo State?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 3: Whoo whoo?

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Speaker 1: And no, Dan and Tie, welcome back to the solid verbal,

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Speaker 1: boys and girls. My name is Tie Hildebrand. That fine

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Speaker 1: gentleman is always over there, always the incomparable Dan Rubinstein, Sir,

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Speaker 1: how are you today?

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Speaker 4: I'm great? Ty, I am. I am excited to talk

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Speaker 4: about excellence. If we're going to do a show today

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Speaker 4: and another one this week on the topic of teams

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Speaker 4: pushing into and through that ten win barrier, Tie, I

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Speaker 4: think we need to agree at the top that we

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Speaker 4: need to set a standard right. We can't let teams

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Speaker 4: off the hook. We can't say, well, you know something,

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Speaker 4: no getting to ten wins, holding to that standard of excellence, Tie,

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Speaker 4: and I, for one, I want to lean into the

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Speaker 4: theme of excellence.

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Speaker 2: Tie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because I think we are going to organize this

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Speaker 4: episode in a world, in a world, in the world

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Speaker 4: where we're dealing with a quest to win ten games

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Speaker 4: we're dealing with. It is a quest. It's very much

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Speaker 4: a quest. It's very much a quest. It's very much

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Speaker 4: acquiring the players, the game plans, the coaches, the rosters

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Speaker 4: overall to succeed, to win, to defeat. And I know

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Speaker 4: that this is in the news tie right, is it not?

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Speaker 4: Little Tears of the Kingdom action?

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Speaker 2: Dan?

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Speaker 4: Now, this is a U call because you're a gamer

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Speaker 4: in a way that I am not. I know you

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Speaker 4: have all of our housekeeping information. I just want to

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Speaker 4: get to this at the top because there is a

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Speaker 4: new legend of Zelda game.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Legends of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom. Correct.

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Speaker 4: So I just wanted to ask you if you see

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Speaker 4: this episode and this, you know, duo of episodes going

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Speaker 4: in the vein of the original the Shigero Miyamoto and

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Speaker 4: Takashi Tezuka vision or the current Hi Tomorrow Fujibayashi and

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Speaker 4: he excuse me, ig on Numa vision. So I don't know,

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Speaker 4: but I'm gonna lean on you for that.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we're we're talking more of an open

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Speaker 1: world now in the world of college football, are we not? True?

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Speaker 1: That is? I mean, I think the horizon, the aperture

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Speaker 1: if you will, has broadened since the original Zelda, as

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Speaker 1: has been the case in college football, there are a

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Speaker 1: lot more things to consider, so we'll talk about that.

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Speaker 1: We've got I think a great show coming today. We're

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Speaker 1: not only going to talk about Pitt. Who are you

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Speaker 1: going to talk about? In more Oklahoma State, the posts

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. And then we've got a guest on David

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Speaker 1: Woods from the podcast of Champions.

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Speaker 4: Yeah and Bruin Report on Yeah Yeah.

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Speaker 1: David Wood's going to stop by and give us the

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Speaker 1: lowdown on UCLA.

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Speaker 4: Correct. Absolutely a fascinating team. I mean, it's really three

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Speaker 4: fascinating teams who we've seen ceilings that have been quite impressive,

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Speaker 4: whether it's you know, led by offense, defense, coaching, whatever,

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Speaker 4: recruiting or just falling off cliff right that it's it's

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Speaker 4: so precarious for some programs where they're like nine and three,

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Speaker 4: nine and three, four and eight, what's up on what now?

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Speaker 4: So no, those are three extraordinarily extraordinarily I say, fascinating teams.

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Speaker 1: Before we go any further down, let's get to some news. Okay,

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Speaker 1: there's not a lot going on. It is mid May.

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Speaker 1: Yes we say this every mid May. There is not

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Speaker 1: That's not to say that there are superstars out there

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Speaker 1: like some of the teams I believe we're going to

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Speaker 1: discuss today, adding the services of those players could help

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Speaker 1: your team, could add to definitely could take you to

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Speaker 1: another level in a position group. So it's important to track.

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Speaker 1: We'll do what we can to track that moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully in a few weeks time we'll have a bow

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Speaker 1: in this whole thing. We can kind of go through

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Speaker 1: them in kind, but just be advised that transfers are

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Speaker 1: still sort of sorting themselves out. Otherwise, there was some

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Speaker 1: pretty big news in these sports apparel world. If you

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Speaker 1: saw this Notre Dame effectively a free agent. So back

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Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, Notre Dame switched from Adidas, who was

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Speaker 1: their outfitter at the time, to under Armour. It was

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Speaker 1: part of a big deal. That deal has since expired,

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Speaker 1: or I should say at least the exclusive negotiating window

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Speaker 1: a free agent. Our good friend Matt Brown of the

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Speaker 1: Extra Points newsletter wrote about eighteen hundred words on it

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Speaker 1: that he sent out today at always makes us smarter

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Speaker 1: when he writes about these business related issues in college football.

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Speaker 1: I will link that into description. Go and check it out.

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Speaker 1: It's notable, if only because Notre Dames a megabrand love

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Speaker 4: I saw our friend Andy Staples right about it as

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Speaker 4: an opportunity for Notre Dame to partner with somebody to

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Speaker 4: he used the example of Lululemon right, which has exploded

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Speaker 4: I could come up with labeling that term. But you

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Speaker 4: know that they don't make shoes, right, so that Notre

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Speaker 4: which especially because I think under armours like fully out

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Speaker 1: It is a new world, and I think it's going

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Speaker 1: to try and differentiate your brand, your program from others

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Speaker 4: No, you're trying to one up my premium athletes.

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Speaker 4: glamor positions. That's the reality. But no, Notre Dame will

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Speaker 4: be fascinating, especially with fewer I think you're going to

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Speaker 1: Elsewhere in college people news again it's bid Bay, So

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Speaker 1: be advised. There is a lot still churning with respect

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Speaker 1: to Pack twelve meteorites. And our friend Ross Stalinger, who's

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Speaker 1: been on this show countless times, wrote an article dropped

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Speaker 1: earlier today. We're recording this on Monday titled the Next

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Speaker 1: Wave is Coming Expansion Realignment at What's at State for

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Speaker 1: the Power five conferences. Ross did an excellent job, I think,

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Speaker 1: just defining the landscape and not doing so with any

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Speaker 1: telling you what's at stake, what he's hearing, and how

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and if Oregon's gonna go to the Big Ten

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Speaker 3: Of note, Dad, give me that quest. See this is

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Speaker 4: That's it. Solid.

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Speaker 1: to the episode we did a week ago. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That was the next step step by step themed series

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Speaker 1: of episodes that we did. We talked about six teams,

436
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Speaker 1: what's gonna take to get the eight wins comfortably? Today

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Speaker 1: it's ten talking Pitt. We're talking Oklahoma State. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: have a guest on here in a little bit. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk through UCLA. Shall I start with Pitt? Do

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Speaker 1: you want to start with Oklahoma State? Shall we flip

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Speaker 1: a coin? What works best for you?

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Speaker 4: Can you find connective tissue between Pitt and Oklahoma State?

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Speaker 4: I think they played maybe a few years ago, like

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Speaker 4: Mason Rudolph era. So I guess that's the connective tissue.

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Speaker 4: You can go first your ways in blue as the

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Speaker 4: pit die hard you are.

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Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph went to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 4: Oh, there's connective tissue too. But I know they played. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I know they had off an out of conference matchup

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Speaker 4: at least one.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Look, I mean, I I'm glad I had a chance

453
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Speaker 1: to study Pitt. And I'm glad I had a chance

454
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Speaker 1: to study all the teams that have studied so far,

455
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Speaker 1: but Pitt in particular because I learned a few things

456
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Speaker 1: I didn't know. First off, do you want to take

457
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Speaker 1: a guess? I want to take a guess how long

458
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Speaker 1: paton Ardozy has been at Pitt.

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Speaker 4: Eight years, seven years something like that.

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Speaker 1: A crazy long time now, Right, he's been there since

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Yeah, does it feel like he's been there

462
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Speaker 1: that long? Kind of yeah, kind of at this point. Well,

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Speaker 1: just because I remember he was the pit coach when

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Speaker 1: they upset Clemson all those years ago, right, the James

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Speaker 1: Connor Pitt coach. So I know it's been a hefty

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Speaker 1: amount of time. But man, yeah, he is not a

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Speaker 1: new coach at Pitt. Unbelievable. Been there since twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: fifteen was his first season. Yeah, we're now in you're

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Speaker 1: a lord twenty twenty three and we're talking about what's

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Speaker 1: it going to take to get to ten wins comfortably.

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Speaker 1: It has been a good run for patent Ardoozy. He's

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Speaker 1: been there eight seasons. He had three eight win campaigns,

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Speaker 1: one to nine win campaign, won eleven win campaign in

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Speaker 1: twenty one with Gunny Pickett. Obviously that's factoring in Bowl games.

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Speaker 1: But solid, right solid, definitely. The only reason we're talking

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Speaker 1: about them in a ten win framework is they've been

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Speaker 1: pretty solid. So the other interesting data point that you

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Speaker 1: can find if you use the tool that they have

479
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Speaker 1: out on twenty four to seven Sports, the Team Talent

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Speaker 1: Composite tool. During the Patent Ardozy era, Pitt has exclusively

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Speaker 1: been sixth, seventh, and eighth most talented in the ACC.

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Speaker 1: They'd never been higher, they'd never been lower. So stable, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but not cracking into that into that top five. And

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Speaker 1: so what I think this all means for patnar Doozy.

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Speaker 1: First off, he is a really good coach. He's got

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Speaker 1: the pit program to a point of stability, but also

487
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Speaker 1: a salty point, right stable in that the floor is

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Speaker 1: never lower than like five wins. You're not going to

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Speaker 1: have a catastrophic pit season at least we haven't seen it.

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Speaker 1: I suppose anything's possible, we haven't seen it yet. Salty

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Speaker 1: in that the transfer portal has made life for teams

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Speaker 1: like Pitt very difficult. And I go back to like

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Speaker 1: the Jordan Addison stuff. When he left for USC we saw,

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Speaker 1: we celebrated salty patnar doozy last season. Of course, right,

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Speaker 1: he had some things to get off his chest last

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Speaker 1: season in the wake of that transfer. My conclusion on

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Speaker 1: the pit side is that to get the ten wins,

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Speaker 1: it is a question of offense and by extension recruiting,

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Speaker 1: both out of high school and through the portal. Again,

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Speaker 1: eight seasons for can I just call him Nard Dog?

501
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Speaker 1: Can I call him New Nard Dog?

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Speaker 4: It's your segments. I go for it.

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Speaker 1: Eight seasons for the new Nard Dog. He has had

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Speaker 1: a top fifty offense four times, each time they finished

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Speaker 1: with eight wins. It seems like he's got the ground

506
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Speaker 1: game mostly figured out. That's usually pretty solid. The passing game, though,

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Speaker 1: that's where they've been very inconsistent and weirdly. If you

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Speaker 1: look at the quarterbacks that Nard Dog has had, Nate

509
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Speaker 1: Peterman been NFL quarterbacks, Yeah, Kenny Pikett, that's three NFL quarterbacks.

510
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they've been great at NFL quarterbacks, but

511
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Speaker 1: obviously somebody in the league thinks they're good enough to play.

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Speaker 1: They've all started.

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Speaker 4: Throwing to like good to excellent receivers over that time.

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Speaker 1: Nate Peterman's kind of a meme. Okay, I get that,

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Speaker 1: but but not in college. On college, he was decent. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was decent in college. So weirdly, the passing game

517
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Speaker 1: has been very inconsistent despite the fact that he's had

518
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Speaker 1: some like NFL caliber quarterbacks. We have to say it

519
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Speaker 1: come through that program. I don't know what it's going

520
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: to take to get that side of things figured out.

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Speaker 1: I know his pedigree is a defensive coordinator, he's been

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Speaker 1: very good at piecing together like three star defenders, getting

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Speaker 1: together a top twenty five defense year and in year out.

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Speaker 1: That just has not been the case on offense. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna take. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's Frank Signetti the offensive coordinator again again, right, or

527
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Speaker 1: if it's somebody new and innovative, or what it takes,

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Speaker 1: but it seems like that side of the football has

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Speaker 1: very much eluded him. I also have to mention the

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Speaker 1: recruiting thing a little bit. Pits in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the pack. Most years in the ACC they're in the

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Speaker 1: bottom half of Power five teams, and geographically they're in

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Speaker 1: a good spot for talent. That western pa Ohio corridors

534
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Speaker 1: is pretty good, but they tend to get crowded out

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Speaker 1: by the bigger programs to the east to the west.

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Speaker 1: A lot of the local talent has actually started going south,

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Speaker 1: and in the meantime, Pitt has tried to recruit a

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Speaker 1: little bit more nationally. You can see it with where

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00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: their high school talent comes from. They've gotten a few

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Speaker 1: of the locals, but they've branched out into Florida, into Texas, Georgia, California, Virginia, etc. Etc.

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Speaker 1: There's a school of thought out there that they'd be

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Speaker 1: better focusing more locally. However, the flip side of that

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Speaker 1: is some of the locals who go south or go

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Speaker 1: elsewhere after they figure out that they're not going to

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Speaker 1: play there, then they come back home, right And that's

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Speaker 1: been the case with like a little bit with Phil Derkovic.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Phil Derkovic would have played at Boston College,

548
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Speaker 1: but he decides to follow Frank Signetti back to Pitt.

549
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Speaker 1: We have Derek Davis coming back home, was at LSU,

550
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Speaker 1: see what he can do at the running back position.

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Speaker 1: Where things stand for Pitt, I think across the board

552
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Speaker 1: is they probably need to figure out a way to

553
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Speaker 1: recruit better on the offensive side of the ball, to

554
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Speaker 1: piece together that talent on the offensive side of the

555
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Speaker 1: ball and keep more of those guys at home instead

556
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Speaker 1: of going south, going to Penn State, going to Ohio

557
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Speaker 1: State wherever. I don't know if they can do that.

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Speaker 1: I have not seen a noticeable uptick on any of

559
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Speaker 1: the recruiting things, Like everywhere I check it kind of

560
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: seems stable, almost too stable, and so I'm curious to

561
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Speaker 1: see what it's going to take to break them out

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Speaker 1: of this cycle that they're in. What I'm curious of,

563
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Speaker 1: perhaps most curious of, is the quarterback position this year

564
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Speaker 1: and the ones that follow, because Phil Derkovic is most

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Speaker 1: likely going to be the guy again. The transfer from

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Speaker 1: Boston College via Notre Dame. He is a Western PA kid.

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Speaker 1: They also brought over Christian Veyhu, who was pretty well

568
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Speaker 1: in the depth chart given Drew Aller and some of

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Speaker 1: the other folks on the Penn State side of things.

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Speaker 1: He transferred over as well. He figures to be the backup,

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Speaker 1: but he's got some eligibility left and he could probably

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Speaker 1: play next year and I think another year after that.

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Speaker 1: So if they can establish some sort of rhythm at

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Speaker 1: quarterback where they can build around a guy who's not

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Speaker 1: going to transfer again, if they can bring in some

576
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Speaker 1: receiver talent, because they've got the running game pretty well

577
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Speaker 1: figured out, they just need a little bit of a

578
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Speaker 1: lift in that offensive side of the ball. They've got

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Speaker 1: a schedule that I think makes it doable. But the

580
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Speaker 1: question again is the same as every year. It's like,

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Speaker 1: if they're not going to play offense, if they're not

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Speaker 1: going to get inside that top fifty level, which I

583
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Speaker 1: don't know because there is a lot new ten wins

584
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Speaker 1: is probably going to elude them once more.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think in the short to medium term, look,

586
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Speaker 4: it's quarterback and defense, and Pitt has largely figured out defense.

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Speaker 4: They've had star power on all three levels during paton

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Speaker 4: Ardozy's time.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 4: On defense, They've found star power at running back, receiver,

591
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Speaker 4: along the offensive line, They've gotten guys drafted, and you're right,

592
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Speaker 4: it comes down to quarterback and it's losing the dumb

593
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Speaker 4: dumb game generally in the first four to five weeks

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Speaker 4: of the season. Last year was Georgia Tech. The year

595
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Speaker 4: before that, it was Western Michigan. And look, twenty twenty

596
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Speaker 4: one was a charm year. Where can he Pickett fully

597
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 4: realized his potential and stays healthy And you know, his

598
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Speaker 4: connection with I think what Jared Wayne and Jordan Addison

599
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 4: was exemplary. And so they're another team that's just a

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00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 4: development cycle team and just need to be a little

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Speaker 4: bit crisper every week against teams in an unstable accre

602
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Speaker 4: You're right, they're the mark of stability, and so it's

603
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 4: just don't lose the dumb dumb game. Don't lose that. Look,

604
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Speaker 4: losing at Louisville, losing at North Carolina last year or whatever,

605
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Speaker 4: those are tough road spots, even with you know, down

606
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Speaker 4: defenses or whatever. But it's the dumb dumb game that

607
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 4: to me is the separation point with Pitt because I

608
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Speaker 4: think they you're right there, the geography is there, the recruiting,

609
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 4: they should be active in the portal for guys maybe

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Speaker 4: coming back home to the Northeast or whatever we're calling.

611
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Speaker 4: And they've done a good job day they have done

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Speaker 4: a reasonable job on that front, and it feels like

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Speaker 4: the guys that they buy than the a Keaton Slovas

614
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 4: a year ago that didn't quite work out. No, it

615
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 4: was not that good, right, but it was I thought

616
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Speaker 4: a noble attempt. Now this year, two guys filled your

617
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 4: COVID Christian value. It's not a bad strategy and it's

618
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 4: not a bad program to step into. They've got some

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Speaker 4: recent success with Kenny Pickett that they can use to recruit.

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Speaker 4: It's just not over the full tenure of patn Ardozy.

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Speaker 4: We've just seen a few flashes recently that they can

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Speaker 4: use to their advantage.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look rich football history. And the other thing

625
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Speaker 4: is they're like I guess it's them an NC state

626
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Speaker 4: where they're just like the gift and curse of having

627
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 4: a high floor every year, where it's just like you've

628
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 4: set expectations to a really interesting place, but you also

629
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Speaker 4: know that like other shoe's gonna drop one of these weeks.

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Speaker 4: We're just like, what the hell was that? And so

631
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Speaker 4: that to me is a depth thing that to me

632
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Speaker 4: is an aggression offense things because you see this from

633
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 4: a lot of defensive head coaches where they run offenses

634
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Speaker 4: to serve the defense because they don't necessarily have confidence

635
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Speaker 4: in the depth on defense. So let's got to keep

636
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Speaker 4: them right on the sideline. So those are the next steps.

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Speaker 4: To me, it's a little more aggression on offense, more chances,

638
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Speaker 4: and just you know, more of a vision there.

639
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Speaker 1: Give me the quest sound, I need to hear it,

640
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: all right, chill it?

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Speaker 4: Okay, So what is that that? So you've got swords, hearts,

642
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Speaker 4: and rings. Yeah, rings is probably defense, the heart is

643
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Speaker 4: probably life force, that's depth, and the swords are offense. Okay,

644
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 4: so we need we need a little bit more in

645
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Speaker 4: the way of sword sharpening for Pitt.

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Speaker 1: The hell's going on with Oklahoma State?

647
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Speaker 4: Oh?

648
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 1: Man, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: That's the full that's the full review of Oklahoma State. Look,

650
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 4: Oklahoma State when they are threatening or getting to ten

651
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 4: wins over the past decade, the mid teens, the early

652
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 4: to mid twenty teens, whatever we're calling that were great,

653
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 4: right in terms of quarterback, receiver, running back, you know,

654
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 4: offensive skill, They developed, offensive linemen. There was some star

655
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 4: power on defense, but they didn't really come into their

656
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 4: own under your until they got to Jim Knowles, my guy,

657
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 4: Jim Knowles, your guy, Jim Knowles, and so it's always

658
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 4: been an Oklahoma State team that if they're gonna win

659
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 4: a bunch of games, they're going to sneaky recruit decently well,

660
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 4: you know, find a four star receiver or four every

661
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 4: so often, and find a four star linebacker and develop them.

662
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 4: And for whatever reason, Oklahoma State had been a stable

663
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 4: program under Mike Gundy forever and ever and ever he's

664
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Speaker 4: been there. He's you know, the longest tenured guy, I

665
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 4: assume in the Big twelve. And so at this point

666
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: you're looking at an Oklahoma State program that is now

667
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 4: on to its third defensive coordinator in three years, Jim Knowles,

668
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 4: Derek Mason. Now they went to the lower level to

669
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 4: hire their new guy who's gonna run a three three five,

670
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 4: which is great. They're extraordinarily active in the portal, both

671
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 4: in and out. But you know, they bring in a

672
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 4: great receiver from Washington State, but they lose you know

673
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 4: whoever to another big program, and so they you know,

674
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 4: they got hit in their secondary, they got hit on defense.

675
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 4: You know what, Mason co over to USC their best

676
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 4: returning linebacker. And so right now it's a question of

677
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 4: where is the stability, and if it's quarterback and defense,

678
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 4: I think the defense will be all right. I think

679
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 4: there's a good not you know, the linebacking corp. They

680
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 4: bring in quality guys at linebacker. I think they've got

681
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 4: guys on defense. But now it's like, hope Allan Bowman's

682
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 4: awesome out of nowhere, because that's where they are is

683
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 4: a program where they've completely messed up quarterback and Spencer

684
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 4: Sanders has gone and he was the guy forever and ever,

685
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 4: and so it's really tough to outline unless you are

686
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 4: just fully out on the new look Big twelve moving

687
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 4: forward and the prospects there, they're like, it's hard to

688
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 4: see Oklahoma State going back to that point. You know,

689
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 4: they hire their longtime receivers coaches, offensive coordinator Casey Dunn.

690
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 4: He's been there in that position as offensive coordinator since

691
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 4: twenty twenty. They haven't fielded a top fifty offense since

692
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 4: he arrived. And look there's the caveat that Spencer Sanders

693
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 4: gets hurt last year and they finished the season two

694
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 4: and five. They fall off their cliff, destroyed by Kansas State.

695
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 4: But when you look at where recruiting is at right now,

696
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 4: not great, not great at all, and you look at

697
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 4: where quarterback is right now, not promising. They lose one

698
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 4: of their best receivers to TCU last year or this

699
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 4: past portal stretch, it's hard to see them looking any

700
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 4: like there's a little bit of like an Iowa State

701
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 4: vibe to where they might become like the defense will

702
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 4: bounce back, But offensively, it's just they've got guys at receiver,

703
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 4: especially like I just I see stars, but not star

704
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 4: performances all the time from Oklahoma State, and they just

705
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 4: seem like they're going to be floating in that seven

706
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 4: to eight win region without that kind of offensive force

707
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 4: and just identity right now because I don't see them

708
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 4: building it up on both sides of the ball at

709
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 4: the same time, which you generally need to have. Yeah,

710
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 4: tennis win team. So I'm kind of out on the

711
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 4: prospect of Oklahoma State returning to that pretty crazy consistent

712
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 4: point where they were a few years ago.

713
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: We got a question maybe last week one of these

714
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: recent bruin A episodes that we did over on Patreon

715
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: at for Ballers dot com about teams that missed their window. Yeah,

716
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: and I think for the most part, I don't buy

717
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: into that. I think you could. You're always like a

718
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: player two away in college football from reopening the window

719
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: and getting back to where you were. But Oklahoma State,

720
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: it feels like Oklahoma is almost State has been trending

721
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: in the wrong direction for a couple of years now. Now,

722
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: that said, not too far removed from being like six

723
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: inches or whatever away from the playoff. Okay, they've had

724
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: good recent teams, but it feels like the overall momentum,

725
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: the trajectory of the program is going in the wrong direction,

726
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: especially with some of the transfer stuff we saw this

727
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: passed off season. Yeah, you know, last season lost six

728
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: of their final eight games. Of course that's there, there

729
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: are caveats there, but it definitely ended with a bit

730
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: of a whimper. I'm looking at the schedule now for

731
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: this coming season, I mean, the Big twelve is sort

732
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: of a crap shoot. It feels like it could go

733
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Speaker 1: any of a thousand different directions, And with the way

734
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Speaker 1: that this team is constituted, I really don't know what

735
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: to make of Oklahoma State. They're over under a six

736
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: and a half per the lines that Draftking released like

737
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: a week or two ago now, and I don't know

738
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Speaker 1: if I could give a recommendation on that.

739
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 4: No, like they had their total wild card. To me,

740
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 4: they have all Big twelve caliber defensive players up front,

741
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 4: they absolutely do. They have filled out the roster in

742
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 4: impressive ways there, but the rest of the roster just

743
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 4: isn't there. They have guys who on any given Saturday

744
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 4: will look like an All American at receiver and then

745
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 4: go three catches for thirty nine yards the next week. Like,

746
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 4: there is no Junkyard Jim Washington. There's no til In Wall,

747
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 4: you know, there's no guys like that. There's no there's

748
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 4: no like every week this guy is going for Blobby.

749
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 4: There's no Chuba Hubbard, right, there's there's that. There's a

750
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 4: guy who will go eighteen carries for one seventy seven

751
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 4: the next week fourteen for fifty nine. And there's just

752
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 4: that week to week consistent, very good Oklahoma State program.

753
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 4: I just hard to see bringing it back out of

754
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 4: the magicians.

755
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: The weird thing about this, Yeah, and then we'll move

756
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: to our guests, since I don't think we have too

757
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: much else to say about Alklahoma State. No, the weird

758
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: thing about Oklahoma State is you look at the schedule,

759
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: and yes, the Big twelve is a crapshoot, and it

760
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: feels like there are a lot of teams on even footing.

761
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: But in a normal year quote unquote normal for talking

762
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: back to the days of yr when Oklahoma State was

763
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: playing more consistently at a higher level, at Arizona State,

764
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Speaker 1: at Iowa State, at West Virginia, at UCF at Houston

765
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: everything else at home, that feels really advantageous.

766
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that feels like.

767
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 1: That's a really good road home split, and I wish

768
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: I felt better about it. Don't know where Oklahoma State's

769
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: at as a program. It seems like it could go

770
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Speaker 1: any of a thousand different directions.

771
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, the quarterback of the future is named Zane Flores,

772
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 4: so I'm rooting for it so I can say his

773
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 4: name a good time. It's just, you know, it's hard

774
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 4: to piece together. At least in mid May.

775
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Speaker 1: We'll see, shall we get to our guest of honor.

776
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Speaker 4: I'm going to take this introduction right now because I

777
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 4: don't know. I grew up a UCLA fan. I actively

778
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 4: want to see Ucla football. The LA schools do well,

779
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 4: even if they have turned their back on West Coast

780
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 4: football and have decided to do everything they can to

781
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 4: throw this wonderful region of college football into the dumpster.

782
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 4: What an introduction for David Woods? What an introduction David

783
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 4: Woods from the podcast of Champions and Bruin Report Online.

784
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 4: How are you today?

785
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good, And it was quite an intro,

786
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: and I'm right with you. I'm right there with you.

787
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's a it's a not

788
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: great move at all for college football.

789
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 4: But money plays, man, money plays. Okay, So we are

790
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 4: talking UCLA as a current eight ish win program. They

791
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 4: won nine regular season games this past year, and an exciting,

792
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 4: explosive offense, and I suppose we can talk about Chip

793
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 4: Kelly's defensive history, but we'll stick with the positive here.

794
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 4: What is it that has gotten UCLA to this point

795
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 4: where they are a good to very good team with

796
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 4: what appears to be a ceiling under Chip Kelly.

797
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: It's pretty much exactly what you said. The offense. I mean,

798
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: I'm pretty convinced that between you, me, Tie, and about

799
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: eight of our friends he could craft a pretty good

800
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: offense manship and it's gotten to a point where I

801
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: think even with Dorrian Thompson Robinson leaving, with Zach Charbonne leaving,

802
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: the system is now in place where you can probably

803
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: turn out a top twenty, top fifteen offense pretty much

804
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: no matter who he runs out there, and it's gotten

805
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 2: to that level. The reason it's got a ceiling is

806
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 2: because the defense has not been figured out at all.

807
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 2: You started with Jerry as in Narrow the first two years,

808
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: where it was pretty much just as a Narrow's defense.

809
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: Then they brought in Brian Norwood from Navy to kind

810
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: of layer in some four to five that didn't work,

811
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: and then they brought in Bill McGovern last year who

812
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: brought in some NFL concepts that also didn't work. The

813
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: defense has been pretty much stuck between eightieth to one

814
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: hundred and tenth in each of his five years, and so, yeah, no,

815
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: things have not been worked out on that end. Now

816
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: they're going to try out Danton Lynn, who is a

817
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 2: Ravens assistant who's coming in and you know, whatever you

818
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 2: can assess from Spring, I mean, it looks like he's

819
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: got a good head on his shoulders. He's saying the

820
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: right things, but who knows until you actually watch the

821
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: thing out there whether it's gonna do what needs to

822
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: be done, which is get into top fifty territory.

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Speaker 4: So UCLA in the last decade has fielded good defenses.

824
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 4: This is not a place that has been unable to

825
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 4: find NFL level talent. I mean, you go back to

826
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 4: the what Anthony Barr Eric Kendrick smiles Jack like, big

827
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 4: time players, NFL caliber players anchoring really good top thirty,

828
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 4: top fifteen type defenses. What is it about the chip

829
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 4: Kelly era? I guess from a talent perspective, if it's

830
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 4: a recruiting thing, if it's a development thing, if that's

831
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 4: what's holding them back, which it's pretty clear it is.

832
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,479
Speaker 4: Is there any hope on the horizon from a talent

833
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 4: perspective that things may change as as UCLA heads to

834
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 4: a new conference.

835
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Speaker 2: There's a little bit. The nil situation is kind of

836
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: the game changer in a few different respects. So initially

837
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: chip Kelly's first few years high school recruiting was I

838
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: won't say deprioritized, but it was the situation where they

839
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 2: weren't targeting top tier prospects. They weren't targeting the classic

840
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: guys that you know, I'm going to be shouting this,

841
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: you know, like a crazy person. But UCLA can recruit,

842
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: It can recruit at a top fifteen level and it

843
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 2: has done historically. Chip Kelly didn't approach it that way.

844
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 2: He wanted to kind of target his guys. He was

845
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: looking for, you know, three stars with length and you

846
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: know the measure and all that idea. It didn't work

847
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: the first couple of years. They brought in a lot

848
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: of guys who have since essentially transferred out. Then they

849
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 2: were early on the learning curve with the transfer portal,

850
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: they started to attack that really well. But now with NIL,

851
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: that's getting more competitive. UCLA has some NIL backing. They

852
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: were able to land Dante More, which let me tell

853
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: you didn't had something to do with NIL. But there's

854
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: going to be a ceiling to that until it's sort

855
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 2: of there's a cart before the horse situation. They need

856
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: to win at a higher level than nine to three

857
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: to really open up the wallets of a lot of

858
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: UCLA's boosters to support NIL. I think at this stage,

859
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: I won't say it's capped out. I think there is

860
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: still room if the defensive scheme can get figured out

861
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: because there's talent in the program. It's not you know,

862
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: it's not the most talented UCLA team in history, but

863
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 2: there is talent in the program. Scheduled pretty weak this year,

864
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 2: but they need to put together probably one or two

865
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: really really good seasons before where they can start getting

866
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: the support they need to actually attack recruiting the way

867
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: that needs to happen. But Chip is starting to get

868
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: a handle on you know, I actually need to get

869
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 2: talent in the program. It can't just be my measurable

870
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,959
Speaker 2: and you know, mad scientist ideas. So we will see.

871
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, they need to win some more on the field.

872
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: My question is actually for both of you, Dan and

873
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: Oregon alum and David obviously a notable guru and all

874
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: things UCLA football. I'm curious about the parallels between what

875
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: we saw from Chip at Oregon and now what we're

876
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: seeing from him at UCLA. Different starting points. Right, he

877
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: stepped in at Oregon that was instantly a double digit

878
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: win team. At UCLA it's been a slower bill that's

879
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: taken a while, like three years to implement the offense.

880
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: But are there parallels with how he is building this

881
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: thing now at UCLA that mirror what he did at Oregon.

882
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: Maybe outside of hiring some of his friends from his

883
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: previous regime, that can maybe give us some tell as

884
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: to when it might get to that ten win level.

885
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: My sense of it, and Dan, you can jump and whatever,

886
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 2: but my sense of it is at Oregon, Chip inherited

887
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: a program that was already firing in all cylinders are

888
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: pretty close to it. I mean, Mike Bolotti did a

889
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: great job there, and the guy names Escaping maybe guy

890
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 2: before Blotti did great Rich Brooks, Yeah, yeah, rich Brooks

891
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: building the program, and Chip Kelly was able then to

892
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 2: learn as the offensive coordinator for two years, he was

893
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 2: able to get familiarity with the recruiting apparatus at Oregon,

894
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: all the things that were already in place. None of

895
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: those program things had to change. When Chip Kelly then

896
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: took over the head coaching job at UCLA, he was

897
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: starting at basically the Studs because Jim Mora had more

898
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 2: or less cratered over the last couple of years. At UCLA.

899
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 2: It was entirely new support staff, entirely new recruiting apparatus,

900
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 2: entirely new coaching staff. He had to make all those

901
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: decisions for himself. He wasn't inheriting a defensive coordinator. And

902
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: I think Chip Kelly is a fantastic offensive coordinator, absolutely

903
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: a studley offensive coordinator, and I think you could throw

904
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: him into a triple option and he'd be great. I

905
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: think you could throw him into a West coast system

906
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: that's pure traditional NFL stuff and he'd be great. I

907
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: think he knows offense backwards and forwards, the rest of

908
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 2: the program stuff. I think he's been learning as he's gone.

909
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: But I don't think I think at Oregon and this

910
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: is where you can jump in, but I think there

911
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: was a lot of that stuff was already in place

912
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: for him to just kind of inherit.

913
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 4: Yeah. The other thing with the Oregon thing is that

914
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 4: was his first big shot, right That's when he has

915
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 4: his hunger. That's when they're recruiting nationally because you have

916
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 4: to at Orgon and I think you do have to

917
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 4: do a UCLA because UCLA is a big enough brand

918
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 4: that I think it resonates with people and they've UCLA

919
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 4: has had success, you know, recruiting nationally going into Texas.

920
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 4: But I think there's also this perception, which I don't

921
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 4: think is true with UCLA, were like you can just

922
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 4: go into your backyard, you just recruit a a PAC

923
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 4: twelve champion in southern California. I don't think you can.

924
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 4: I don't think you can find Linemen in southern California

925
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 4: like you can when you recruit nationally or even more regionally. Right,

926
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 4: And you couple that with I think Schip Kelly, you know,

927
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 4: not really working out in the NFL taking a year

928
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 4: off to broadcast, and I just don't know. If I

929
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 4: don't think it's an energy thing. I think Chip Kelly

930
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 4: really wants to win a ton of games. It's just

931
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 4: where college football is now. You have to build a

932
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 4: recruiting machine. You have to build out a huge staff,

933
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 4: which costs money, more money in LA to have. You know,

934
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 4: you can't just pay a recruiting staff, can't pay everybody

935
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 4: fifty k like you can perhaps in other parts of

936
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 4: the country. And so you have to say, if we

937
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 4: want to win ten games a year, we have to

938
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 4: recruit aggressively in Texas, we have to recruit aggressively in

939
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 4: the Midwest, in Georgia and Florida, whatever. Because UCLA is

940
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 4: a big enough brand. I just you either do or

941
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 4: you don't. And I just haven't seen it from UCLA

942
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 4: with that type of aggression to build out a deep

943
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 4: defensive line, to build out you know, how do you

944
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 4: find the next Tac McKinley. Chip? If you ask chip Kelly.

945
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 4: It's maybe somebody will work out at Bowling Green or

946
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 4: North Texas or Pennsylvania, Whereas when he's with Oregon, he's

947
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 4: going to Hawaiian finding DeForest Buckner and he's finding Eric

948
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 4: Armstead in Northern Cake, California. I just from the outside,

949
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 4: I don't see the type of aggression needed to fully

950
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 4: take advantage of how big of a name UCLA is.

951
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's I think that's nail on the head

952
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: for the most part, I think, and this is where

953
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: the nil piece comes in, because I think he was

954
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: there was sort of a symbiotic thing going on to

955
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 2: Dante More. I think he was excited by the idea

956
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: that they were in the running, and he then got

957
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 2: energized by that idea that oh, well, we have the

958
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: money to play with this. Okay, we can we can

959
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: work on this. But I think for him to get

960
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 2: to the point where he's going to be able to

961
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 2: do that with four or five national recruitments a year,

962
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: he's got to win more because the pocketbooks have to open.

963
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: But I think that gave him a little bit of

964
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: proof of concept for what is possible at UCLA. You

965
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: can land guys like this, But you have to you

966
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: have to play the game that everyone else is playing.

967
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, there is something about like you either enter, you're

968
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 4: out right that this is this is the dollar amount

969
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 4: that it will take. And we heard stories about this

970
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 4: with Urban Meyer and USC where it's just like this

971
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 4: is my ex expectation for what a training table looks like.

972
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 4: This is when when a recruit from Missouri visits u

973
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 4: c l A and they're also visiting Texas and Georgia

974
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 4: and Oregon and Ohio State and they come to UCLA

975
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 4: and it's completely less in every regard Why what are

976
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 4: we doing?

977
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 2: What?

978
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 4: Why are we spending any money on football? If we're

979
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 4: not going to spend enough money on football?

980
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: Well, training table is one area where Chip Kelly is

981
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: not skimmed.

982
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 4: Good good, They've they've got.

983
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 2: The filet mignon. There was a whole uh I recommend

984
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 2: going into it. At some point. The La Times expos

985
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: on what they were serving at the training table dinners

986
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 2: is pretty fantastic.

987
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 4: How much of it is that UCLA and obviously USC

988
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 4: as well, they're not in college town they are they

989
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 4: are competing with places and I'm not even talking about

990
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 4: Georgia or Ohio State or something like that. But they

991
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 4: are in an expensive part of the country and there

992
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 4: is not a college culture in the way that there

993
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 4: is in Knoxville, in Eugene, Oregon, in Columbus. Does that

994
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 4: play a role in limiting what the the UCLA fan

995
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 4: base is willing to do if they are more interested

996
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 4: in the Lakers, the Dodgers, whatever, Is that playing a

997
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 4: major role in UCLA ceiling right now?

998
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of different factors. So

999
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 2: from that angle, from the booster and fan angle, UCLA

1000
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: has billion dollar donors. Obviously, they just donate to build

1001
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 2: buildings on campus, you know, build the academic buildings, but

1002
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: they're not that interested in athletics. For the most part.

1003
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 2: What you have is Casey Wasserman, who's you know, he's

1004
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: worth a couple hundred million dollars. But you've got people

1005
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: at a lot of these schools that are in college

1006
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: towns who have bion billionaire boosters, who oh yeah, I'm

1007
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 2: all in on Kansas athletics or Oklahoma State athletics. And

1008
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: so you've got a little bit of that element. You've

1009
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: got a lot of these guys. Yes, they are more

1010
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: invested in Lakers, they're more invested in the Kings or

1011
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: the Rams or whatever, and so you've got a lot

1012
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 2: of that. But I would say that from a recruiting angle,

1013
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: with attracting, like, you know, kids to come to UCLA,

1014
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: I think it's it's it's fifty to fifty whether they

1015
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 2: are really interested in being in a big city where

1016
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: they can do all this different stuff, or they really

1017
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 2: like this game day atmosphere in Tennessee or whatever it

1018
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 2: is where it's like, oh yeah, there's you know, one

1019
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: hundred thousand people at every single game, and so it

1020
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: kind of just depends on the kid. I would say

1021
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 2: the biggest factors that actually limit UCLA is probably the

1022
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: Rose Bowl. Sure, you know, being twenty five miles from campus,

1023
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: I think that's a big deal. I think it does

1024
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: limit the creation of future boosters when you've got students

1025
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 2: who they've got to make a trek to get to games.

1026
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 2: You know, there's router buses, but as you know, Dan,

1027
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 2: you know, hanging out in La on a Saturday afternoon

1028
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 2: and trying to get to the Rose Bull is not

1029
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 2: anyone's idea of a good time. No, So there's there's

1030
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 2: a lot of factors in play that probably limit UCLA,

1031
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 2: and there's stuff to overcome, but these aren't insurmountable obstacles.

1032
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: I mean, being in LA, being in this market and

1033
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: having access, you probably can't build a national title contender

1034
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 2: just from southern California, even USC can't. But you can

1035
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 2: produce really good teams and then sprinkle in some national

1036
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: recruiting when you're really good, and you can do it.

1037
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's a lots of obstacles to overcome you

1038
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 2: and a ucl All.

1039
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: Of this stuff is like very smart. It's also on

1040
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: the macro level. But back to the defense for a second.

1041
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: You mentioned Danton Lynn for a hot minute. You know,

1042
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: we joke on this show all the time about half teams,

1043
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: teams that have really good offenses, really bad defenses, or

1044
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: vice versa.

1045
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 5: Right, Iowa, would you joke about the PAC twelve? You mean, well,

1046
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 5: some of the packs. Well, but we joke about Iowa.

1047
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's it's fair. It's it's about as

1048
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 5: fair as we can be here. I have been trying to.

1049
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: Understand from published reports what Danton Lynn is going to

1050
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: do differently on defense now he in and of himself

1051
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: is a pretty big departure from what Ship has done.

1052
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: Typically as defensive coordinator. Right, this is a thirty three

1053
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: year old guy, no previous experience as a coordinator, but

1054
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: very much seen as a rising star. I can't ask

1055
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: you in mid May how he's going to fix the defense,

1056
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: but I can't ask you what he's going to do

1057
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: differently than his predecessors that might produce a different result.

1058
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: The best that I've been able to find is that

1059
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: he prefers versatility, and the description I saw sounded a

1060
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: lot like total football and Ted Lasso. So I'm hoping

1061
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: maybe you can clarify where things are going with Dan

1062
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: and Lynn.

1063
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 2: So as you know, Chip Kelly is not super forthcoming

1064
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 2: about you know, certain things about the program, basically everything,

1065
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: but Dan Lynn. I was able to talk to him

1066
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 2: a couple of times. I don't think it's going to

1067
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 2: be a huge departure formationally. I think they're still going

1068
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 2: to run mostly a four to two five, but that's

1069
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: pretty much all college football these days. You run in

1070
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 2: some form of either a three three five or a

1071
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 2: four two five nickel almost all the time. What I

1072
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 2: noticed the spring was they're probably a little bit more

1073
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: aggressive with their nickels than they were last year. Last

1074
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 2: year it was a lot more trying to play coverage.

1075
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: Nichols were spending on a lot of time in the backfield,

1076
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 2: and now it's hard to gauge. Some of that is spring,

1077
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: some of that is just, you know, they know the

1078
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 2: offensive play call so they can just get there really quickly.

1079
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 2: But there was a sense that even the deep safeties

1080
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 2: were getting upfield super quickly. Now whether that actually turns

1081
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: out a good defense is anyone's guess. It looks a

1082
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 2: little bit more aggressive now that being said. The personnel

1083
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 2: hasn't really changed much. You know, they added a lot

1084
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 2: of guys on the offensive end. You know, Jmgils Sturdevan

1085
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 2: at wide receiver is going to be a stud. But defense,

1086
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 2: it's it's more or less the same guys. I mean,

1087
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: Darius Mussau is still going to be the middle linebacker.

1088
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: He was the transfer in from Hawaii last year. The

1089
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: defensive line is going to be more or less the same.

1090
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 2: The Murphy twins are transferred in last year, are going

1091
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: to be you know, two of the guys in the

1092
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: rotation defense, Vandal Latu. Latu is the best player on

1093
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: the defense. He's going to be the other side. So

1094
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: it's going to be very dependent on the scheme improving

1095
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 2: because player development will only take care of so much.

1096
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 2: But if the scheme improves, I mean, how many times

1097
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: have we all watched in college football new coach inherits

1098
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 2: same guys and suddenly they look a lot better. You know,

1099
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 2: you mentioned Anthony Barrn Eric Kendricks earlier. That was what

1100
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: happened when Lucevanos and Jim Morri came in. They suddenly

1101
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: looked like a good defense. So Danton Linn, he's saying

1102
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: the right stuff. He's saying, you know, we're gonna be multiple.

1103
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't want to design a

1104
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: scheme before I see the guys in spring. He saw

1105
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: the guys in spring. Looks like they're going to run

1106
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 2: much the same thing because that's what they were familiar with.

1107
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: And a lot of it's going to come down to

1108
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 2: play calls, and frankly, he hasn't called plays before, so

1109
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: we don't really have a great indication yet what it's

1110
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 2: going to look like.

1111
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 4: I almost, and I'm putting words in your mouth, I

1112
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 4: almost hear. Yeah, the defense should improve, but also new quarterback,

1113
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 4: whoever that is new starting quarterback, new receivers, new running

1114
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 4: back that will be leaned on. Are you worried about

1115
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 4: the offense, inasmuch as one can be worried about the

1116
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 4: offense with Chip Kelly that they're winning games because of

1117
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 4: the offense these past couple of years, and now they

1118
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 4: might be winning games because of defensive experience and being

1119
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 4: able to scratch out points when need be on offense,

1120
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 4: but it's not necessarily a strength because of all that

1121
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 4: is new.

1122
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, So looking at the offense, I would say the

1123
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: main question mark for me is probably weirdly quarterback, not

1124
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 2: weirdly looking at the receiver corps J Michael Sturtevant looks.

1125
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 2: I mean, anybody can catch sixty five balls in that

1126
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 2: cow offense last year.

1127
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 4: Probably he's definitely good, definitely good.

1128
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: Definitely good. He's a stud combination of size and speed

1129
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 2: UCLA hasn't had. I don't know. I mean when Jordan

1130
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 2: Lasley had his head screwed on straight and then before

1131
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 2: that JJ stokes like it's sure, it's otherworldly, but that's

1132
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 2: also a reflection of what UCLA has had at wide receiver.

1133
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 2: And then Kyle Ford the transferring from USC He's going

1134
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 2: to be really good. I think he's finally healthy he

1135
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: had such a tough time with injuries at USC. So

1136
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 2: those two guys added to a group that includes Cam Brown,

1137
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: red shirt freshman Brandon Peek, and they're gonna be really good.

1138
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: On a receiver, It's gonna be a questioning who's delivering

1139
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 2: the ball right now. Ethan Garber's who is the holdover?

1140
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 2: He looks like the likely starter at this point, just

1141
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 2: because he was the most consistent in the spring, But

1142
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 2: seventeen year old Dante More who knows how much progress

1143
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: he's going to make over the summer. He was doing

1144
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 2: stuff this spring and it's like, wow, his feel for

1145
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 2: the game is beyond, you know, any freshman you could

1146
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 2: ever expect. But there's some just some stuff where you know,

1147
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 2: he's not a huge cannon armed guy and he's trying

1148
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 2: to do like wrist flicks and just kind of toss

1149
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 2: the ball, and on intermediate throws, you cannot do that.

1150
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 2: Just safeties, even UCLA's safeties crashing down on that ball

1151
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 2: really quickly. So there's still some stuff he has to

1152
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 2: pick up about the speed of the game and like

1153
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 2: literally the speed of the players he's throwing against. But

1154
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 2: there's a ton of upside there because his feel is

1155
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 2: truly incredible. And then offensive line they're going to work

1156
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 2: something out. They've got a couple of transfers coming in,

1157
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 2: Colorado's Jake Wiley, Old Dominion left tackle, Kadir Kunta Long,

1158
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 2: some holovers. They should be able to put that together.

1159
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 2: I'd say the offense should be fine. I think it's

1160
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: going to be top twenty ish. TJ. Harden coming in

1161
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 2: at running back walls would be pretty good and taking

1162
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: over for Zach Charbonnet. But they should be fine. I

1163
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 2: think the question is can the defense get to top sixty.

1164
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 2: If the defense can get top sixty, it can take

1165
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 2: makeup for you know, dropping from a top five to

1166
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 2: a top twenty offense.

1167
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 4: Do people within the program when looking forward to joining

1168
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 4: the Big ten officially and playing a Big ten schedule?

1169
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,959
Speaker 4: Is their concern? This is you build a program based

1170
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 4: on who you're going to play, somewhat right that you

1171
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 4: know you're going to focus on this type of offensive

1172
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 4: line and this type of defensive line and this type

1173
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 4: of quarterback. You know, it's all for your internal vision

1174
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 4: of the program, but also like you build based on

1175
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 4: your schedule. Do you see anything changing? Do you see

1176
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 4: a you know, a recruiting strategy change. Do you see

1177
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 4: a build, an ideal build in a recruit changing. How

1178
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 4: is is this going to go two, three, four years

1179
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 4: down the line.

1180
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 2: It's a great question. So as of yet, I think

1181
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 2: the main thing is that they have started to recruit

1182
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 2: a little bit more regionally for that area. I wouldn't

1183
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 2: say the recruit type has changed, but they've started to

1184
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 2: look more at guys in that area. I mean Dante More.

1185
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if they would have necessarily targeted him,

1186
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 2: and not because they didn't want him, but because they

1187
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 2: wouldn't have thought they could get him. But I think

1188
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: part of the attraction was probably lower down the list,

1189
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 2: but part of the attraction of going to UCLA was

1190
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 2: the fact that, well, I'm from Michigan, so this will

1191
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 2: be okay. And I think there's other guys that they're targeting,

1192
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: especially offensive line. I think that's the way they're probably

1193
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 2: going to approach it, is we can target a lot

1194
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 2: of those Midwestern offensive linemen in a way that we

1195
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 2: weren't able to before. I think that's what Chip Kelly's

1196
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 2: kind of thinking. And then I don't know from a

1197
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 2: system standpoint how much they will change. I think for

1198
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 2: a lot of those big ten schools. I think USC

1199
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: and UCLA coming in with in particularly USC coming in

1200
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 2: with that sort of offensive style will be a big

1201
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 2: shift for some of those schools. You know, they have

1202
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 2: enough trouble dealing with Ohio State and the mild variations

1203
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 2: on offense that they do. It's going to be really

1204
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 2: interesting to see how, say Michigan and Jim Harbaugh approaches

1205
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 2: handling USC in particular, but even UCLA with its multiple

1206
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 2: kind of varied pro style offense.

1207
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: David, I'll get you out of here on this. The

1208
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: UCLA schedule this year seems like it's set up for

1209
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: ten wins. They're at both Utah and USC, but no Oregon,

1210
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: no Washington. The non conference slate seems extremely workable. However,

1211
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: new quarterback, new running like a lot of new that

1212
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: we just discussed here over the last few minutes. Vegas

1213
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: right now has them at an over under of eight

1214
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: and a half. We have not done our over under

1215
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: show yet, we won't for a couple of weeks. Just

1216
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: wondering upon hearing that number, how you feel about eight

1217
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: and a half.

1218
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 2: It's a good number, That's what I would say. I

1219
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 2: think nine would probably be my guess because just looking

1220
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 2: at it, you know, San Diego State on the road.

1221
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,959
Speaker 2: I think if this was three years ago, Chip Kelly,

1222
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: I'd be like, yeah, I don't know about that one,

1223
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: but as it is, the talent in the program is

1224
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: enough that I think they should be able to handle that.

1225
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 2: Coastal at Home is obviously better than Coastal on the

1226
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 2: Road and then NC Central's FCS. I would say, yeah,

1227
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 2: I would. I would put it at nine and three,

1228
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 2: but I would probably avoid that number. I would say,

1229
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 2: if you can get it at I don't know if

1230
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 2: you're gonna get it any lower than that, but yeah,

1231
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 2: I think nine wins. I think nine and three is

1232
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 2: probably what I'm thinking going into the going into the summer.

1233
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: You can find him on Twitter David David Woods. He's

1234
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: the co hosts of the Brocast bro Cast for Brew

1235
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: and Report Online, as well as the podcast of Champions

1236
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: eight Year Round PAC twelve podcast. David, thanks so much

1237
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: for coming on here and sharing some of your wisdom.

1238
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for allows. Enjoyed it all.

1239
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: Right, There you go in David Woods. Check them out, brewin,

1240
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: Report online dot com. I didn't prep you for that question,

1241
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: that joint question, No, that's what I thought. I thought

1242
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: it would be appropriate because there is some overlap between

1243
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: what Chip's done at UCLA what he did at Oregon,

1244
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: And I'm always curious for guys who have been around

1245
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,439
Speaker 1: if they're trying to build the program in the same

1246
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: way that they did at one or more of their

1247
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: previous stops.

1248
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 4: You could kidnap me in the dead of night and

1249
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 4: throw me into a van and say give me all

1250
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 4: of your thoughts about Bosako Lacambo or TJ Ward or

1251
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 4: Efo x pre Alomo in the Chip Kelly era Oregon,

1252
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 4: his time the Eugene, and I would have thoughts. I'd

1253
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 4: be able to weigh in with enthusiasm and hopefully a

1254
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 4: little bit of insight. So that is that is the

1255
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 4: least of your Like Dan, tell me about cupping Pepperonis, like, well,

1256
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 4: how much time do you have a lot of it

1257
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 4: has to do with the casing. So no, David's fantastic.

1258
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 4: You should listen to his podcast podcast of Champions all

1259
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 4: about West Coast Football PAC twelve. Can I ask you

1260
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 4: a question, Oh, just as we overlap between our eight

1261
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 4: win sessions and now begin our ten win quest sessions, Yeah,

1262
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 4: what do you think is the most difficult leap to

1263
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 4: make between embarrassingly bad to bowl eligible, bowl eligible to

1264
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 4: legitimately a threat to that eight win threshold, from legitimate

1265
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 4: threat to really good ten win threshold, and then really

1266
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 4: good to elite to be one of the best, you know,

1267
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 4: five to seven teams with a shot at making the

1268
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 4: playoff and winning a playoff game. National championships is a

1269
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,439
Speaker 4: little bit of a different story. But in that general tier,

1270
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 4: where do you think if you're wearing like the old

1271
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 4: school advertising and Inside Sports magazine in nineteen ninety three,

1272
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 4: those what were those strength shoes? Maybe? Yeah, yeah, Where

1273
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 4: is the most pronounced vertical the most difficult vertical leap?

1274
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: I think we're talking about it now.

1275
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 4: Eight to ten.

1276
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: I think eight to ten is really hard to do

1277
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: because there is a level of consistency that you need

1278
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: to get to both on the field and off the field.

1279
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: With respect to recruiting. Now, with respect to nil, I

1280
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: mean it's a more complex universe. It's just really hard.

1281
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: I was looking at Pitt earlier. I'll come back to that.

1282
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: Pitt has been a very stable team, and I know

1283
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: they've left a lot of meat on the bone, a

1284
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: lot to be desired. If you're a Pit fan. I

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Speaker 1: read all of the criticism of Pat and Ardouzi and

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Speaker 1: his offenses and blah blah blah, his recruiting operation, you

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Speaker 1: name it. But they've been really stable. They've been a

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Speaker 1: really good program. They've been like an eight win program.

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Speaker 1: Getting to ten, though, is really freaking hard. Getting to

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Speaker 1: ten for them, again, a very stable program and a

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Speaker 1: very winnable conference. It took Kenny Pickett. It took a

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Speaker 1: generational quarterback for that program, a bulletanic off receiver, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a bulletanicoff receiver in Jordan Addison before he left to

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Speaker 1: get to that to that next level. So I just

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Speaker 1: think it's really hard, and it's probably easier if you're

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Speaker 1: a team like Notre Dame to get back to that level.

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Speaker 1: You've got more football history. Not to say Pitt doesn't

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Speaker 1: have that history. They've got a rich history in and

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Speaker 1: of themselves, but they're starting from a different place and

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Speaker 1: it makes it hard. It's not quite the destination as

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Speaker 1: some of these other blue blood programs and such as

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Speaker 1: really freaking hard to do. And you talk about Oklahoma State,

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about some teams on our next

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Speaker 1: episode much in the same way. We're talking about pitt

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Speaker 1: in Oklahoma State and UCLA on this one where everyone's

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Speaker 1: in the same boat. There's just a it's not even

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Speaker 1: a thing that they're outright missing. Maybe UCLA is missing defense,

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01:06:55,320 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: but it's just incremental improvements, marginal improvements on this the

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Speaker 1: ball in this position group that can make a team

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Speaker 1: get to that next level. And it's hard to do, I.

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Speaker 4: Think, I agree with you. I think once you're at

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Speaker 4: that tennis win program, to get to elite, it's certainly

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Speaker 4: damn near impossible. But the unique jump between eight and

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Speaker 4: ten is usually like you know, your Mario speed running

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Speaker 4: through a schedule, but then you gotta still avoid you know,

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Speaker 4: the gap or the spinning fire whatever, like, there is

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Speaker 4: that element too. You can't lose to Georgia Tech. You

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Speaker 4: can't lose Arizona, you seel you just can't. I know,

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Speaker 4: you're allowed a down week, but what do we say.

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Speaker 4: You gotta win your clunkers, You got to you gotta

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Speaker 4: pull that game out thirty five thirty four, not lose

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Speaker 4: it thirty four to twenty eight kind of thing. And

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Speaker 4: so to do that generally requires, like, right, it's a

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Speaker 4: great culture, it's a great roster and it's having a

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Speaker 4: roster in which every single position group has good players.

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Speaker 4: And so I think you can get to eight with

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Speaker 4: star power here and there and this this position group

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01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 4: is strong, that position group is strong. Maybe you try

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01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 4: to cover up for a week or s secondary or

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01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 4: a weaker, you know, group of receivers. But you can

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Speaker 4: get to eight with just certain strengths. To get to

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Speaker 4: ten means week to week focus, having good dudes all

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Speaker 4: over the field, NFL caliber talent things over the field,

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Speaker 4: having some kind of silver bullet totally right, a few gravitational.

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Speaker 1: Players that you can build around. And again I'll use

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Speaker 1: the pit example. I think it's a really good example.

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Speaker 1: They've had some of those guys more than often on defense. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: their defense has been pretty well figured out. Offensively, you know,

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01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: it happens, they've got their running game kind of figured out,

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01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: but there are aspects of the offense that have gone missing.

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Speaker 1: And it's just really you can't invent those guys. You

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01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: just make them out a whole cloth. Either got to

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01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: get them in the portal and get lucky, or you

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01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 1: have to convince them out of high school that they

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01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: want to come to your school. And it's just really

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01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: hard to do that when you've got so much competition,

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Speaker 1: especially in the corridor where it is it's hard, really hard.

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Speaker 4: It's and it's smashing through the windows that are open.

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01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 4: And it's you know with Oklahoma State last year, whatever

1350
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 4: the case, you're starting over on defense or not starting over,

1351
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 4: but it's a new defensive coordinator. But you return your

1352
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 4: quarterback and you don't pull out the TCU game. You

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01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 4: have that window to beat an excellent team, you don't

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01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 4: do it. You you pull out Oklahoma State. I believe

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01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 4: beat Texas last year. You can you can fact check

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Speaker 4: me on that, but I believe they showed a capability

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Speaker 4: to come back and beat teams or hold on to

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01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 4: leeds and then they have the opportunity against a down

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01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 4: team and it floats by them. And so I think

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Speaker 4: UCLA exclusively lost to teams with bad defenses last year, Oregon, Arizona,

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Speaker 4: and USC and I mean Pitt obviously in the bowl game,

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Speaker 4: but within the Pac twelve and so it's when you

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Speaker 4: have that fifth year starting quarterback, as you know, Spencer Sanders,

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Speaker 4: dtr whoever, when things are aligned, Pitt got it done

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01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 4: right with Kenny Pickett. Forget the Western Mission game, they

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01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 4: actually like won eleven games, right, Yeah, so they were

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Speaker 4: ab to take advantage of and they're always going to

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01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 4: be weird cycles within your conference, but they did it.

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Speaker 4: And so that to me is the difference. It's just

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Speaker 4: like when you see those opportunities to actually take advantage,

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Speaker 4: you see like could still have beaten USC even with

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Speaker 4: the turnovers and couldn't find a way, And so that

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Speaker 4: to me is that's the big difference. Is then you

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Speaker 4: start talking about the margins, and it's a fascinating job.

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Speaker 1: The margin thing is that's what makes it hard, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's where you drive yourself crazy trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out where you can improve, where you can make

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Speaker 1: marginal improvements. It's not we're talking of it more broadly

1379
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Speaker 1: in terms of the third best offense eighty ninth best defense.

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Speaker 1: But you know, if you unpack either of those position groups,

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Speaker 1: some more complicated maybe it's the linebacking core, the receiving core,

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01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: the blocking up front, it's just really hard to figure

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01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: out where you can make up some ground. And you know,

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Speaker 1: to further answer the question, I do think the jumps

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Speaker 1: are different depending on the conference you're in. If you're pit,

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01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: the jump to get to ten easier than if you're

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Speaker 1: say Mississippi State trying to get to ten totally in

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Speaker 1: the SEC. It's it's a weird sport. It's just where

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