Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, welcome to the podcast TJ Holmes and
Speaker 1: Amy roboc Here and this episode of Amy and TJ.
Speaker 1: We are going to get you caught up on what
Speaker 1: is supposed to be the start of the fifth week
Speaker 1: of testimony in the Ditty trial and robes today as
Speaker 1: we record, this testimony is going on. But before they
Speaker 1: even got the testimony, things have been interesting. So before
Speaker 1: we even get folks to the last day of testimony
Speaker 1: that wrapped up, we need to tell you what happened
Speaker 1: this morning in court.
Speaker 2: That's right, because Ditty's defense team had made the argument,
Speaker 2: in fact, over the weekend asked for a mistrial. They
Speaker 2: said that there was prosecutorial misconduct based on the testimony
Speaker 2: of Brianna Bongolan. She was the star witness from last week.
Speaker 2: And what Didty's team is saying is that the prosecutors
Speaker 2: either knew or should have known that what she was
Speaker 2: alleging happened couldn't have happened because he was not even
Speaker 2: in the same city in La that she says he
Speaker 2: was in when she claims he dangled her off that balcony.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is a tough one to think. How did
Speaker 1: you will not know this, but yeah, this is everybody.
Speaker 1: The lady you were talking about was the one you
Speaker 1: heard this story. It seemed like for a year plus now.
Speaker 1: He allegedly dangled her over this balcony on September the
Speaker 1: twenty sixth of twenty and sixteen. She of course a
Speaker 1: close friend of Cassie bin Tura Fine, it was her
Speaker 1: place at the time, but robes that date. We say
Speaker 1: it because it is very important. She did this on
Speaker 1: the stand and in previous interviews. She's stuck by September
Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: And here's the deal. You know what these people say,
Speaker 2: I've got receipts. They actually have a hotel receipt little
Speaker 2: that shows that Diddy was in New York days before
Speaker 2: and days after September twenty six, twenty sixteen. So there's
Speaker 2: absolutely no way he could have done what she claims
Speaker 2: he did on that day.
Speaker 1: So what's the issue there? Being right, he wasn't the
Speaker 1: hotel stay. It's one thing to say, well, she was
Speaker 1: off a day or two. Even if she is off
Speaker 1: a day or two, he was still in New York
Speaker 1: at the Trump International Hotel. Just so happened to be
Speaker 1: he was already there So what they're arguing now is
Speaker 1: that the prosecution you had to know this, So if
Speaker 1: you knew it, you put her up there and allowed
Speaker 1: her to perjure herself, and that is prosecutorial misconduct and
Speaker 1: we should have a mistrial. That's the argument. They filed
Speaker 1: for the mistrial on Saturday. Yeah, they did this over
Speaker 1: the weekend and this morning. It seemed pretty dramatic when
Speaker 1: they came in, but the judge didn't want the trial
Speaker 1: to start immediately. He wanted to have a couple of conversations.
Speaker 2: Yes, so prosecutors they were all huddled in separate corners
Speaker 2: of the room. The court observers have been talking about
Speaker 2: how it was not the way they've typically started Monday
Speaker 2: morning with testimony, and so it seems like the judge
Speaker 2: is now going to give prosecutors a chance to respond
Speaker 2: before he makes a decision as to whether or not
Speaker 2: there would be a mistrial. This is the second time
Speaker 2: the defense has asked for a mis trial. They asked
Speaker 2: for it last month.
Speaker 1: I believe correct same thing. Prosecutorial misconduct. They were essentially saying,
Speaker 1: they asked a lot of questioning about Kid Cutty's car
Speaker 1: blowing up, that they thought they shouldn't ask, and it
Speaker 1: tainted the jury. The judge eventually came back and said, no,
Speaker 1: we're good, we're fine, and moved on. Now. It's a
Speaker 1: pretty high bar for a mistrial, as we know, and
Speaker 1: a trial like this and all the work and the effort,
Speaker 1: and yes, the money and the resources that have gone
Speaker 1: into this, it's got to be really bad right before
Speaker 1: a judge with declare mistrial. But hey, I am no
Speaker 1: legal expert, I'm no lawyer. I don't know how bad.
Speaker 2: Was this we had this conversation, nor do I know. So, yes,
Speaker 2: they have a day to respond to the defense's argument
Speaker 2: and then the judge will make a decision based on that.
Speaker 2: But until then, testimony is going to continue today, and
Speaker 2: of course Jane Doe, the pseudonym that she is being
Speaker 2: called by Jane, will be back up on the stand
Speaker 2: today after an You know, it sounds like we're a
Speaker 2: broken record, but it was an unbelievable day of testimony
Speaker 2: on Friday. It was shocking, it was gutting.
Speaker 1: We are a broken record, but we've been correct every
Speaker 1: single time, right every single time. It sound like we're
Speaker 1: saying the same thing, but I have my I continue
Speaker 1: to be floored. I say, Okay, they're going to talk
Speaker 1: about freak offs again. What more can you hear about
Speaker 1: a freak off? Well, apparently a lot more, a lot more.
Speaker 1: There's just different details in here. We should give your
Speaker 1: heads off, folks. Some of this stuff we are going
Speaker 1: to just pass along to you that they did testify
Speaker 1: to over the past couple of days is really really
Speaker 1: gutting to hear and difficult to hear. So just the
Speaker 1: heads up there as we go through this. But yes,
Speaker 1: as we speak as this recording here on a rainy,
Speaker 1: dreary Monday morning in Lower Manhattan, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you can hear the police cars the sirens in the
Speaker 1: background here, but yes, we are literally a couple of
Speaker 1: blocks from the courthouse I hear downtown. But she's back
Speaker 1: up and testifying today. They expect her to be up
Speaker 1: the rest of the day, just on direct so not
Speaker 1: even getting to the cross examinity examination yet. So she's
Speaker 1: going to be up. But she, like you said, Robes
Speaker 1: on Friday, and this was a highly anticipated witness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she made it clear she did not want
Speaker 2: to participate in some of these what they were called
Speaker 2: an all star party freak off like it's an extended
Speaker 2: version of the freakoffs we heard so much about from
Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura. These were like even worse, even longer, more men.
Speaker 2: And she went through these text messages of talking about
Speaker 2: how she did not want to participate. And yet she
Speaker 2: also kind of surprised the court and jurors at least
Speaker 2: and those of us who are listening to her that
Speaker 2: Diddy is still paying for her rent. And she talked
Speaker 2: about the financial control he held over her, but to
Speaker 2: this day he is paying for her housing right now.
Speaker 2: And she also maybe that's wild.
Speaker 1: He's sitting there listening to a woman testify against him. Yes,
Speaker 1: she says, she doesn't want to be there, but she
Speaker 1: has to testify. He has to hear all this stuff.
Speaker 1: She has a prosecution star witness. And he is paying
Speaker 1: her rent as we speak. This is not he used
Speaker 1: to currently currently. I never heard of anything robes. As
Speaker 1: to why he's.
Speaker 2: Paying it, well, she said it was a part of
Speaker 2: a verbal love contract, so basically a two year deal.
Speaker 2: She gets ten thousand dollars a month. She also pointed
Speaker 2: out that he didn't like her teeth, so he paid
Speaker 2: for a new set of veneers. But then he used
Speaker 2: to say things to her like, look at that roof
Speaker 2: over your head and look at your pretty smile, basically saying,
Speaker 2: here's what I did for you, and here's what I
Speaker 2: need you to do for me, which is to do
Speaker 2: these free costs.
Speaker 1: Repeatedly she said anytime she gave any resistance, showed any
Speaker 1: resistance to wanting to do one of these sex sessions,
Speaker 1: that's the first thing that came up. So this is
Speaker 1: what the prosecution, the government is trying to prove here
Speaker 1: that this is not somebody who was there voluntarily. Now,
Speaker 1: this is not consensual. She is being paid for a service,
Speaker 1: and if she doesn't perform that service, she's punished. They're
Speaker 1: trying to prove a sexual African case. Again, I'm not
Speaker 1: a legal expert, but that is what the legal experts
Speaker 1: will tell you. They'reetting it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she too, like so one of these other
Speaker 2: women who have come up, and she was one of
Speaker 2: his ex girlfriends, but she talked about how she loved
Speaker 2: him and she just wanted to be with him and
Speaker 2: didn't realize that this was going to turn into what
Speaker 2: it seems like it turned into for just about everyone
Speaker 2: else that he dated. Where he preferred watching his girlfriend
Speaker 2: have sex with other men, whether she liked it or not,
Speaker 2: versus having sex with him. She said they even went
Speaker 2: on a trip together and she thought it was just
Speaker 2: going to be the two of them. Oh yeah, she
Speaker 2: was so excited. And she said he got bored and
Speaker 2: ended up inviting a male escort, and.
Speaker 1: So she's wild. But thinking it was going to be
Speaker 1: one thing, it turned into something else. It was weird
Speaker 1: to hear her, to see the transcript of her using
Speaker 1: the word board like he just he got bored, Like
Speaker 1: it wasn't good enough, She wasn't good enough. Whatever was
Speaker 1: going on wasn't good enough, and he needed that to
Speaker 1: be excited, which is to watch his girlfriend have sex
Speaker 1: with another man. And that was a big one Robes
Speaker 1: because into a Fine said the same thing, like she
Speaker 1: was desperate to have one on one tying with him,
Speaker 1: so they wanted to keep him happy in oneever way
Speaker 1: so they could spend time with him. And so she
Speaker 1: kept doing it and kept doing it and kept what
Speaker 1: was it, ninety percent? She said, other time.
Speaker 2: Was with it with him other men, And she said
Speaker 2: there were times where she had sex straight for more
Speaker 2: than twenty four hours. I cannot even imagine and she said, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was really painful. I was extremely sore. She talked
Speaker 2: about after all of these she would have a uti
Speaker 2: or a yeast infection and she had to keep working
Speaker 2: having sex through that, and ah, that is so painful.
Speaker 2: That makes me feel physically ill to think about as
Speaker 2: a woman. I know that pain a little bit, but
Speaker 2: nothing like for twenty four hours straight. I can't even
Speaker 2: imagine what that must.
Speaker 1: Have felt like. And she I don't remember casting into
Speaker 1: a fine And maybe you can help me on this
Speaker 1: talk about having to have sex with multiple men on
Speaker 1: one night. I know she said the sessions when low.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the multiple men in one night part
Speaker 1: of her testimony. But this, this Jane is certainly she
Speaker 1: certainly said they were occasions, there were three guys. Was
Speaker 1: this her birthday? The birthday? So she had a birthday
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, and for her birthday he insisted
Speaker 1: that she have sex with not one, not two, but
Speaker 1: three men on her birthday robe.
Speaker 2: She said after she had sex with two of the
Speaker 2: male escorts, she started throwing up. I mean, think about
Speaker 2: just the physical exertion. But then she obviously she even
Speaker 2: said she tried to do one sober one time, and
Speaker 2: she couldn't, so she needed to be on drugs ecstasy,
Speaker 2: et cetera, even to get through it. And so imagine
Speaker 2: all of that physical exertion, these drugs that are in
Speaker 2: your body. Yeah, she got nauseated, she threw up. She
Speaker 2: was concerned, and he said, hey, good, now you'll feel better.
Speaker 2: Let's go because the third guy's here.
Speaker 1: That's cool. That is terrible. It's true. Again, there's all
Speaker 1: allegations of how she's recalling the story, but my goodness,
Speaker 1: some of her details were incredible. So the thing she's
Speaker 1: having sex, the two guys she throws up, and the
Speaker 1: guy she's in a relationship with right that loves her,
Speaker 1: that cares for her, say, good that you threw up
Speaker 1: because the third guys here, look at you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll feel better now, so you can keep on going.
Speaker 2: For the third guy, I just yeah. So she is
Speaker 2: sitting there and making just like setting a scene that
Speaker 2: is truly, truly sounds like a horror show. And she
Speaker 2: was not only she says, forced into these sex acts
Speaker 2: because she needed money and literally needed the roof over
Speaker 2: her head, but also she says she was forced to
Speaker 2: carry drugs for Diddy, across state lines. So these are
Speaker 2: all and the prosecution is setting up that charges against
Speaker 2: him right now. But there was a text message. She
Speaker 2: spent a lot of the time on the stand reading
Speaker 2: text messages, and there's one in particular, and we're going
Speaker 2: to read it because it just it's so powerful and
Speaker 2: it just gives you an idea of where her head
Speaker 2: was during all of this. But here is a text
Speaker 2: that she sent to Ditty, you know, And.
Speaker 1: This is important. It's one thing when folks get on
Speaker 1: the stand and they're recalling something and tell a good
Speaker 1: story and allegedly this allegedly that. But this is a
Speaker 1: text message from whatever, how many years ago, two, three, four,
Speaker 1: five years ago. She's sending this message not thinking she's
Speaker 1: going to end up in court. She's sending this message
Speaker 1: not thinking that anybody will ever see this. That is
Speaker 1: so important that to see where her mind was at
Speaker 1: the time. I think the text messages are more damning
Speaker 1: than most of the testimony.
Speaker 2: I do too, because it's not something like you said,
Speaker 2: you're not recalling, you're not embellishing, you're not misremembering. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is exactly where you were. That was your state
Speaker 2: of mind, and you had no reason to put this
Speaker 2: in writing other than to express yourself to someone. So
Speaker 2: there was no motive behind this, no ulterior motive. Okay,
Speaker 2: here is the text that Jane sent to Ditty. I'm
Speaker 2: so much more than being loved in the dark in
Speaker 2: hotel rooms, doing things that make me feel disgusted. I
Speaker 2: don't want to play this role in your life anymore.
Speaker 2: It's dark, sleazy, and makes me feel disgusted with myself.
Speaker 2: I don't want to feel obligated to perform these nights
Speaker 2: when you with you in fear of losing the roof
Speaker 2: over my head. That is so chilling. And then Ditty's
Speaker 2: response is even more chilling. So what did he say
Speaker 2: to her? Girls stop completely dismissive.
Speaker 1: I think that might be some of the most damning
Speaker 1: and corroborating evidence at least we have come across in
Speaker 1: here that was in real time at the time, and
Speaker 1: she is begging to be let out.
Speaker 2: It's heart breaking.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I know a lot of folks and people
Speaker 1: will continue with Look, you're grown, folks. You had the option,
Speaker 1: you had the choice. You could have done this, you
Speaker 1: could have done that, And I understand and I'm yes,
Speaker 1: the therapists and the psychologists will tell you whatever difference
Speaker 1: when it comes to people who are abused. I mean,
Speaker 1: this was this young lady. I am nervous robes about
Speaker 1: what happens cross examination, Oh my goodness, because she has
Speaker 1: so much damning experience with him. Like, how do you
Speaker 1: go at this woman as a defense attorney and not
Speaker 1: look like a monster attacking her because her I don't look.
Speaker 1: You can believe what you want to believe, but if
Speaker 1: you listen to this woman, you know she went through something.
Speaker 1: If it's enough to prove and get him in jail,
Speaker 1: that's a different situation.
Speaker 2: But you kata, yeah, I mean she was, she was
Speaker 2: trying on the stand as she saw. So the video,
Speaker 2: one of the FREAKUF videos, was played and it was
Speaker 2: played for jurors, and only the attorneys and jurors could
Speaker 2: see the video. They made sure that the rest of
Speaker 2: the courtroom could only hear the audio. Can you imagine
Speaker 2: the worst, most awful, just the fact that there's a
Speaker 2: video of something that's so terrible and so embarrassing. I
Speaker 2: would think, I don't want to put that word in
Speaker 2: her mouth, but I'm just imagining what it would be like.
Speaker 2: And to know everyone's watching it, and they have to
Speaker 2: watch it in order for some of these charges to land,
Speaker 2: or at least for them to understand what was going on.
Speaker 1: You know, in there, we always think about it like
Speaker 1: the worst thing in the world. Something goes viral, the
Speaker 1: internet goes in the the video goes on the internet. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's awful. She has to sit in a courtroom and
Speaker 1: describe it. That's terrible. For a room full of strangers
Speaker 1: to walk them through it. They see her on it.
Speaker 1: And this was one the at least the audio again,
Speaker 1: the audio is playing for the whole portna. That's just
Speaker 1: as awful. One of the moments on the audio that's
Speaker 1: captured is Robes Diddy saying he doesn't want her to
Speaker 1: use a condom with this male escort, and apparently he
Speaker 1: insisted on that every time.
Speaker 2: And you know, you're that's a whole other level of cruelty,
Speaker 2: because yes, now you're I mean, you're risking potential pregnancy,
Speaker 2: I guess, but maybe she was she had some other
Speaker 2: form of protection. But mostly you're risking your physical health
Speaker 2: as well, because you don't know STDs, all these things
Speaker 2: that can be I'm just saying, I just that's a
Speaker 2: whole other level of I don't care if what you get,
Speaker 2: what you contract, what you might get from this person,
Speaker 2: you don't even know.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing they said, Oh, she was testifying
Speaker 1: he would only want to have sex with her after
Speaker 1: he had watched her have sex with another man, Like,
Speaker 1: why would he even be oway?
Speaker 2: You're right, he's putting himself also in physical jeopardy as
Speaker 2: well with what could possibly have been contracted. Or it's
Speaker 2: just a terrible, awful, just icky, gross thing that it
Speaker 2: just seems to continually have more details than I could
Speaker 2: have ever imagined.
Speaker 1: It's wild. But she continues got on the stand today
Speaker 1: so we could see her. The prosecution has already said
Speaker 1: we do not expect to be done by the end
Speaker 1: of the day with her, so that means the cross
Speaker 1: examination is not going to start before tomorrow at the earliest.
Speaker 1: But still, am I not star first thing in the morning?
Speaker 1: Who knows? And what was the schedule as well?
Speaker 2: They were so she has an international flight on Thursday,
Speaker 2: and so last week the prosecution was concerned about whether
Speaker 2: or not that timing was gonna work out. So that
Speaker 2: just shows you how much they had been planning to
Speaker 2: question her. And then yes, what the defense decides to do,
Speaker 2: is anyone's guest in terms of how they're going to
Speaker 2: handle her and how tough they're going to be with her?
Speaker 1: And they who was the I'm trying to think of
Speaker 1: a previous but they they were pretty respectful to a
Speaker 1: couple of previous folks on the stand. The fence was
Speaker 1: and then the lad was it I can't remember? They
Speaker 1: went after one? There was one?
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 1: Brianna Bungling absolutely after after her? So who knows who
Speaker 1: how this is going to get handled, but she is
Speaker 1: a critically important risk witness and we are seeing that
Speaker 1: play out. So folks, we will continue, and again, thank
Speaker 1: you all for continuing to listen. We know you're listening.
Speaker 1: Anytime we think, ah, maybe we shouldn't do one today,
Speaker 1: maybe the testimony wasn't that, it's not going to be
Speaker 1: so jaw dropping. It just every single time, and we
Speaker 1: have been seeing that. Folks, you all have been listening
Speaker 1: and you continue to listen. So now we feel like
Speaker 1: we're doing it. We're doing something that least people are
Speaker 1: looking for and depending on to get their updates. A
Speaker 1: one stop shop, I think is what you.
Speaker 2: Call one stop shop. So yes, thank you, We will
Speaker 2: continue to update you all as information becomes available in
Speaker 2: the Diddy trial, but in the meantime, we hope you
Speaker 2: have a wonderful Monday, and thanks for listening.