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Speaker 1: What what was it about? Will you see the coherence

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Speaker 1: and this is Finding Raffie, a ten part series from

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Speaker 1: My Heart Radio and Fatherly in partnership with Rococo Punch

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Speaker 1: about the life, philosophy, and the work of Raffie, the

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