1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal 2 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: podcast network. This is the place to be if you're 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: ready for the best podcasts of the paranormal, curious, and 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: sometimes unexplained. Now listen to this. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: The thoughts and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts 6 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: and opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, 7 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 2: Coast to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: sponsors and associates. You are encouraged to do the proper 9 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: amount of research yourself, depending on the subject matter and 10 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: your needs. 11 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: Hi. 12 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 13 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 14 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know 15 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so 16 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 3: will we Welcome to Shades of the afterlife. What happens 17 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 3: when a person who is absolutely certain that this life 18 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 3: is all there is, that consciousness is just a trick 19 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 3: of the brain, and that death is a final black 20 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 3: curtain is proven wrong. What kind of evidence would it 21 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 3: take to shatter a lifetime of deeply held beliefs, and 22 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: maybe more importantly, how do we talk about this with 23 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: the skeptics in our own lives. Today we are diving 24 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 3: into one of the most powerful sources of evidence for 25 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 3: the afterlife, the stories of staunch non believers, yes atheists, 26 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 3: and before we meet our first one, consider this. According 27 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: to a recent polling, it is estimated that as many 28 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 3: as fifteen million Americans have had a near death experience. 29 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: Of course, many million around the world have. This is 30 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 3: definitely a widespread phenomena. In this episode, we will hear 31 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 3: from people who built their identities around logic and science, who, 32 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 3: through their own unexpected and world altering experiences, yes, near 33 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 3: death experiences, were brought face to face with the reality 34 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: that they never believed was possible. We'll hear the story 35 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 3: of a hostile atheist professor who found himself in a 36 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 3: terrifying darkness after death, only to be rescued by love 37 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: it always denied. We will stand beside two more incredible 38 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 3: women with scientific minds whose atheism was shattered by what 39 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 3: they discovered on the other side, and will hear profound 40 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 3: words of wisdom from a panel of world renowned doctors 41 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:03,559 Speaker 3: and scientists on how to approach these conversations with skeptics, 42 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 3: because we all have skeptics in our lives, and you 43 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: and I are still skeptical, and that's good. These aren't 44 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 3: just stories of seeing a light. They are accounts of 45 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 3: profound transformations. So whether you're a believer, a skeptic, or 46 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 3: somewhere in between, get ready to question everything. This episode 47 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 3: is proof that the truth of the afterlife is available 48 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 3: to all of us, especially those who aren't looking for it. 49 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 3: For someone who has built their entire worldview on the 50 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 3: foundation of logic, reason, and the material world, the idea 51 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: of an afterlife can seem like pure fantasy to an atheist. 52 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 3: Consciousness is a product of the brain's complex wiring, so 53 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 3: when the brain dies, the lights go out. This is 54 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 3: the end of the story. It's a clean logical perspective. 55 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: There's no judgment, no heaven, no hell, just to return 56 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 3: to nothingness where we first came from. But what happens 57 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 3: when that certainty is ripped away by an incredible experience 58 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 3: that defies all logic. Our first story is what happened 59 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 3: to Jose Hernandez. Jose was an engineer and a staunch atheist. 60 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 3: His world was one of physics, schematics, and provable facts. 61 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 3: He described himself as someone who had focused solely on 62 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 3: logical explanations and the spiritual world was definitely not part 63 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: of his equation. But one day everything changed. While on 64 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: a routine work assignment, the bucket truck he was in 65 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: was struck by his partner, who had crashed their other 66 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 3: vehicle into a tree. The impact was severe, leaving Jose 67 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 3: with multiple broken ribs. He was rushed to the emergency room, 68 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 3: his logical world suddenly thrown into chaos and pain. In 69 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 3: the hospital, his condition worsened, his breathing stopped, and the 70 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 3: medical staff began to fight desperately to save his life. 71 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 3: As he lay there clinically dying, a thought he never 72 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: had before surfaced. He found himself contemplating God, making a 73 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 3: promise to a being that he never believed in. God, 74 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 3: if you get me through this, I'll change, he said. 75 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 3: It was in that moment of surrender that he noticed 76 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 3: a mysterious presence in the room. He saw a shadow 77 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 3: standing by the door. At that point, Jose thought to himself, 78 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 3: I've endured so much in my life, perhaps it's fine 79 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 3: to just let go. The moment that thought formed the 80 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 3: shadow figure touched his toe. Instantly, an overwhelming sense of relief, calm, peace, 81 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: and love washed over him. He describes it as euphoric. 82 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 3: As the medical team performed CPR on his body, Jose 83 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 3: found himself self suspended in the corner of the room, 84 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: observing the entire scene from above. He was completely detached 85 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 3: from the frantic efforts to save his body down below. 86 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 3: It was then that a voice spoke to him, not 87 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 3: with sound, but with pure knowing. The voice said, think 88 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 3: of your body as a car. This vehicle has traveled 89 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 3: eight million miles and there's nothing more we can fix. 90 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: It's time to bid farewell to your body. Following this instruction, 91 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 3: Jose felt himself pulled downward into a black hole, but 92 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 3: it wasn't frightening. He experienced flying, witnessing mesmerizing cities, breathtaking forests, 93 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: and vast herds of wild animals in motion. In this incredible, 94 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 3: vivid realm, it was reassured that he would still be 95 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 3: able to see his children, and most significantly, he was 96 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 3: reunited with his father. Of this reunion, Jose later said, 97 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 3: when I met my father on the other side, I 98 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: realized that sometimes we may be unable to express certain 99 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: things here, but elsewhere we can. His experience completely shattered 100 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 3: his atheist worldview. It replaced a belief in nothingness with 101 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 3: a certainty that we continue after death with connection and 102 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: most importantly love. He had not sought proof, but proof 103 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: had found him in the most dramatic way possible. Jose's 104 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 3: story is a powerful example of an everyday person whose 105 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 3: reality was turned upside down. But what happens when a 106 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 3: person having the experience is a highly trained neurosurgeon, a 107 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 3: man who spent his life studying the brain and was 108 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: convinced it was the source of all consciousness. This is 109 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 3: the story of doctor Eben Alexander. Most likely you've heard 110 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 3: of him from his book Proof of Heaven. Doctor Alexander 111 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: was a respected Harvard neurosurgeon. For him, there was no mystery. 112 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 3: He had heard stories of NDEs from his patients, but 113 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 3: he had a neat scientific explanation for all of them. 114 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 3: They were simply hallucinations produced by a brain under extreme stress. 115 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 3: Doctor Alexander was a man of science and definitely not 116 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 3: of faith. Then, in two thousand and eight, he contracted 117 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 3: a rare and deadly form of bacterial meningitis. The infection 118 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 3: attacked his brain, specifically his neocortex, the part responsible for 119 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: all higher level thought, reason, and everything that makes us human. 120 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 3: For seven days he lay in a deep coma. According 121 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 3: to all medical understanding, his contraciousness should have been completely offline, 122 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: if not gone forever. But inside that coma, he was 123 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 3: on the most real journey of his life. He first 124 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 3: found himself in a dark, muddy, primitive place he called 125 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 3: the earthworm's eye view, with grotesque faces bubbling up around him. 126 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: He felt no connection to his human self. He was 127 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: just pure awareness in a place of murky despair. Then 128 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: a spinning, brilliant white light appeared above him, accompanied by 129 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 3: a perfect musical melody. The light opened up like a portal, 130 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 3: and it pulled him through. He emerged into a place 131 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 3: of breath taking beauty, what he calls the Gateway Valley. 132 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: He was flying over lush green fields and waterfalls, surrounded 133 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 3: by millions of shimmering butterflies. On the the wing of 134 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 3: one of these butterflies was a beautiful young woman. She 135 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: never spoke a word, but she communicated with him telepathically. 136 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: She gave him three core messages, You are loved and 137 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: cherished dearly, forever, and you have nothing to fear, and 138 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 3: there is nothing you can ever do wrong. He was 139 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: then taken even higher into a core realm of pure, 140 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 3: unconditional love, accompanied by an orb of golden light that 141 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 3: he understood to be God or the source of all creation. 142 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 3: He was shown the interconnectedness of the universe and given 143 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 3: profound wisdom. He was in a place of pure knowing 144 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 3: beyond time and space. Eventually he was returned to his body. 145 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 3: His recovery was medically inexplicable, and his worldview was definitely shattered. 146 00:10:55,480 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 3: This neurosurgeon, who believed the brain created consciousness, now had 147 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 3: first hand proof that his consciousness not only existed, but 148 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 3: went on an incredible journey while his brain was, for 149 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 3: all intents and purposes destroyed. Doctor Alexander now spends his 150 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 3: life sharing his story a powerful testament from a man 151 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 3: of science that our consciousness is far more than we 152 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: can imagine. And before we continue, I think it's a 153 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 3: good moment just to clarify some of the words we use, 154 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 3: because they're important. An atheist, like Jose and some of 155 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 3: the other people will hear from, is someone who firmly 156 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 3: believes there is no God or afterlife. An agnostic is 157 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 3: someone who is on the fence. They aren't sure what 158 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 3: to believe. But the word skeptic is an interesting one. 159 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 3: I consider myself a healthy skeptic, and I believe it's 160 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 3: a wonderful way to be. A true skeptic is someone 161 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 3: simply who questions things and needs good evidence before they believe. 162 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 3: It's an open minded position, the challenge which comes with 163 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 3: what some call a closed minded skeptic. This is someone 164 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 3: who has already decided the answer is no and refuses 165 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 3: to look at the evidence, no matter how powerful it 166 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 3: might be. The stories we share on the show an 167 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 3: incredible first hand accounts from people like doctor Eben, Alexander 168 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 3: and Moore are for the true open minded skeptic. There 169 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 3: are pieces of evidence for anyone who is brave enough 170 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 3: to simply ask the question, what if? The journey from 171 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 3: non belief to belief is often not a gentle one. 172 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 3: When we return, we'll hear a story of a man 173 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 3: who was not just an atheist, but a man filled 174 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 3: with hostility toward any form of belief, who journeyed to 175 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,119 Speaker 3: a place so dark that it was a perfect reflection 176 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 3: of his soul, and something surprising happened when he called 177 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 3: out for help. We'll be right back. 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All the 197 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: info is waiting for you now at coastcoastam dot com. 198 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: That's Coast tocoastam dot com. 199 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain 200 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 3: and we're talking about atheists and the afterlife. For some 201 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 3: non believers, that transition from this life is a gentle 202 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 3: drift into a reality of love and light, as we 203 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 3: saw with jose Hernandez and doctor Eben Alexander. But the 204 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: evidence suggests that the afterlife is not a one size 205 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 3: fits all experience. It appears to be a perfect reflection 206 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 3: of the consciousness we carry with us at the moment 207 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 3: of death. For those who have lived an angry, cynical 208 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: life filled with aggression, the initial moments of the afterlife 209 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 3: may be shocking and the terrifying reflection of the world 210 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 3: they built within themselves. These distressing near death experiences are 211 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: much more rare than the blissful ones, but they are 212 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 3: incredibly important. They teach us profound lessons about personal responsibility, 213 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 3: cause and effect, and the unfailing power of redemption. Here 214 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 3: is the story of Howard's Storm. Before his experience in 215 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty five, Howard was not just an atheist, he 216 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: was a proud and hostile one. He was a tenured 217 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: professor and a chairman of the Art department at Northern 218 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 3: Kentucky University. He was, in his own words, an aggressive 219 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 3: person who was feared by his wife and his children. 220 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 3: He was arrogant, controlling, and believed the world revolved around 221 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 3: him and his desires. He was certain that all religion 222 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 3: was simply a fairy tale for the weak minded, and 223 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 3: that death was simply the end. He lived a very 224 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 3: egoic life all about himself, believing that any good deed 225 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 3: he did was only to serve himself. He was, by 226 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 3: his own admission, a very difficult and unloving person. In 227 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 3: June of nineteen eighty five, while on a student trip 228 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 3: in Europe, he was in his Paris hotel room when 229 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 3: he was struck with severe abdominal pain. He was rushed 230 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 3: to a hospital and they found a hole in his stomach, 231 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 3: but a surgeon wasn't available for many hours. As he 232 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 3: lay there in agonizing pain, he knew he was dying, 233 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 3: and as an atheist, he expected nothing but oblivion, a 234 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 3: complete end of his being. But then it happened. He 235 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 3: opened his eyes and he found himself standing outside his body, 236 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 3: looking down on his own physical form in the hospital 237 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 3: bed with his wife crying beside him. He felt no pain, 238 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 3: only a heightened awareness. He tried to speak to his wife, 239 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 3: but she couldn't see or hear him. He then heard 240 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 3: voices calling his name from the hallway, Thinking they were 241 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 3: taking him to a doctor, he followed them. The hallway 242 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 3: became dark and dingy, and the beings calling him were pale, 243 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 3: shadowy figures. They became increasingly hostile, urging him down the 244 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 3: hallway with insults and mockery. They were cruel, and they 245 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 3: enjoyed his fear, and something deep within him, a memory 246 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 3: from childhood he had long since rejected, surfaced. A voice 247 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 3: in his mind said, pray to God. Howard, the arrogant atheist, 248 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 3: was so desperate that he tried it. He couldn't remember 249 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 3: a formal prayer, so he just started reciting fragments of 250 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 3: anything he could recall that was remotely religious, even parts 251 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 3: of the Pledge of Allegiance. He mumbled for godden Country, 252 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 3: one nation under God. With every mention of the word God, 253 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 3: the creatures shrieked and recoiled as if burned. Howard was 254 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 3: left alone in the darkness, but the terror was not over. 255 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 3: He felt an overwhelming sense of his own failure, the 256 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 3: waste of his life, a crushing awareness of the pain 257 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 3: he had caused others. He was utterly broken. In that 258 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 3: final moment of surrend under, he called out a name 259 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 3: that he had mocked his entire life. He yelled, Jesus, 260 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 3: save me. Instantly, a brilliant light appeared in the darkness. 261 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 3: It grew brighter and brighter, and as it approached it 262 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 3: wasn't just light, it was an all consuming love. Two 263 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 3: beings of light reached down and gently lifted him from 264 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 3: the darkness. They healed him with their touch, and all 265 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 3: the pain and terror disappeared, replaced by a peace and 266 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 3: love he could have never imagined. These beings of light, 267 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 3: who identified as Angels and Jesus, then guided him through 268 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 3: a life review. But it wasn't about his accomplishments or 269 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 3: his career, he said, All that God cares about is 270 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 3: how we interact with other people. He was shown every 271 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 3: selfish act he did, every unkind word he spoke, every 272 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 3: moment he had caused pain, and he felt the pain 273 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 3: of those he had hurt as if it were his own. 274 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 3: There was no condemnation, only a sense of loving education, 275 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 3: showing him the consequences of a life lived without love. 276 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 3: He was overwhelmed by the love that he felt from Jesus, 277 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 3: a love he described as being a million times more 278 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 3: powerful than falling in love. For the first time, he 279 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 3: was allowed to ask questions. He asked which was the 280 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 3: best religion and was told that the best religion is 281 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 3: the one that brings you closest to God. He was 282 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 3: told that the most important thing in life, the entire 283 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 3: purpose of our existence, is simply to love the person 284 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 3: that you're with, meaning whoever is in front of you 285 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 3: at any given moment, including that person in the mirror. 286 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 3: He was given a choice to return, and he chose 287 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 3: to come back to rebuild his life based on that 288 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 3: one simple principle. Howard Storm, the angry, hostile atheist, returned 289 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 3: to his body a completely changed man. Howard's story is 290 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 3: a powerful lesson and what some call a self created reality. 291 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 3: The dark cruel beings he encountered weren't demons in a 292 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 3: traditional sense. They were a perfect manifestation of the anger, hostility, 293 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 3: and cruelty that he himself had cultivated throughout his life. 294 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 3: He had created his own hell, and he was drawn 295 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 3: to it. But his story is also a profound testament 296 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 3: to grace. It shows that even in the darkest, most 297 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 3: terrifying corner of existence, a sincere call for help will 298 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 3: be answered. It shows that no one is beyond redemption, 299 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 3: that love is always waiting to rescue us, most especially 300 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:10,239 Speaker 3: from ourselves. After his recovery, Howard's life was unrecognizable. He 301 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:15,959 Speaker 3: left his prestigious university position, enrolled in seminary and dedicated 302 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 3: the rest of his life to serving others as an 303 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 3: ordained minister, sharing his incredible story of being rescued from 304 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 3: a hell of his own making by a love that 305 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 3: he had always denied. Next, let me tell you the 306 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 3: story of a man who, by all measures, has achieved 307 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 3: the ultimate earthly success. Doctor Rajiev Partie was not just 308 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 3: a doctor. He was the chief of anesthesiology at a 309 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 3: major hospital in California. He lived a life of extreme 310 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 3: wealth and materialism. He resided in a huge mansion, drove 311 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 3: a Bentley and a Ferrari, and wore the most expensive clothes. 312 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 3: He was a man of science who believed only in 313 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 3: what he could see and touch. Spiritually, though he was empty, 314 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 3: He was often emotionally distant from his family and by 315 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 3: his own admission, had little compassion for his patients, seeing 316 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 3: them more as medical problems to be solved rather than 317 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 3: real people and pain. His world revolved around money, status, 318 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 3: and power. Then, at the peak of his success, that 319 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 3: world came crashing down. Doctor Parti was diagnosed with prostate cancer. 320 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 3: The powerful doctor suddenly became a terrified patient. After his 321 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 3: initial surgery, he developed a severe, life threatening infection that 322 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 3: required another emergency operation. It was on that operating table 323 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 3: in late of twenty ten that Doctor Partis died. He 324 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 3: found himself floating out of his body, watching the surgeon's 325 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 3: work on him, but he wasn't pulled toward a beautiful light. Instead, 326 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 3: he was dragged into a dark, terrifying realm. He described 327 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 3: the air thick with the smell of burning meat, and 328 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 3: hearing the horrifying screams of others. In torment. He was 329 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 3: met by beings who mocked him, telling him that his 330 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 3: life had been a complete waste, a selfish pursuit of 331 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 3: meaningless things. In this hellish place, he saw his own 332 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 3: deceased father, who gave him a chilling warning, this is 333 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 3: the hell of your own making. You are here because 334 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 3: of the life you chose to live Doctor PARTI was 335 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 3: filled with a terror and despair that he had never known. 336 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 3: He realized his materialistic life had led him to this empty, 337 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 3: painful place. In that moment of absolute surrender, stripped from 338 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,479 Speaker 3: all of his earthly status, he remembered a simple prayer 339 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 3: his mother had taught him as a child, and he 340 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 3: cried out for help. Instantly, a brilliant, loving light pierced 341 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 3: the darkness. He felt himself being lifted out. Rescued from 342 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 3: that terrifying realm. He was met by angelic beings who 343 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 3: guided him through a life review. But this was not 344 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 3: a review of his accomplishments. He too was forced to 345 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 3: experience his life from the perspective of others, in this 346 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 3: case through his patien's eyes, feeling the coldness and dismissal 347 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 3: he had shown them, He felt the emotional distance his 348 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 3: family had experienced from him. There was no judgment from 349 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 3: these beings of light, only an overwhelming sense of loving education, 350 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 3: showing him the profound emptiness of a life lived without 351 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 3: true compassion. He was told that his purpose was not 352 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 3: yet over. He was given a choice to go back, 353 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 3: but with a new mission, not just to numb people's 354 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 3: physical pain, but to help heal their spiritual pain and addictions. 355 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 3: Doctor Parti returned to his body a completely changed man. 356 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 3: He gave up his lucrative career as chief of anesthesiology, 357 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 3: sold the mansion and luxury cars, and moved his family 358 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 3: into a modest home. He now dedicates his life to 359 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 3: spiritual wellness and helping others find the healing and compassion 360 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 3: he discovered on the other side. His journey is a 361 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 3: powerful reminder that sometimes we must travel through our own 362 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 3: darkness to truly find the light. It's time for the break. 363 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 3: We'll be back with more stories. You're listening to Shades 364 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to cost 365 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 3: am Paranormal Podcast Network. 366 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 4: Stay there, Sandra will be right back. Hey the Coast 367 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 4: to Coast dam channel to Coast ghostdam dot com for 368 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 4: more information. 369 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: Hey, this is George Nori and you're listening to the 370 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost Damn Paranormal Podcast Network. Thanks 371 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: for being here. Now let's get back to more with Sandra. 372 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. 373 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 3: The journey from a steadfast atheist to a profound belief 374 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 3: in the continuity of life after death is often deeply 375 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 3: personal and it transforms people. It's a path forged not 376 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 3: by intellectual argument, but by undeniable experiences, and this is 377 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 3: where the stories move from personal testimony to real, hard evidence. 378 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 3: Researchers who study these veritical NDEs, the ones with verifiable proof, 379 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 3: have found that the details reported by experiencers are accurate 380 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 3: over ninety percent of the time. That's right, ninety percent 381 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 3: of the time. This type of evidence is what often 382 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 3: shatters a scientific worldview, especially when the experiencer brings back 383 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 3: information they could not have possibly ever known. I want 384 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,719 Speaker 3: to share a few such stories with you, starting with 385 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 3: Barbara Harris Whitfield, a woman whose difficult childhood cemented her 386 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 3: disbelief in anything divine. Barbara grew up in a very 387 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 3: dysfunctional home and was repeatedly traumatized as a child. This 388 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 3: painful upbringing led her to a firm conclusion there is 389 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 3: simply no way there could be a God, because a 390 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 3: loving God would never allow children to be tormented in 391 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 3: such a way. She carried this atheism well into her adulthood. Then, 392 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 3: at the age of thirty two, she underwent a five 393 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 3: and a half hour surgery on her back. Two days later, 394 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 3: her health took a turn for the worse. Her body 395 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 3: swelled up and her blood volume dropped dangerously low. As 396 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 3: she saw the medical team rushing around her, she just screamed, 397 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 3: leave me alone, let me die. The next thing she knew, 398 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 3: she was out of the hospital corridor, floating up near 399 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 3: the ceiling, looking down at her body in the hospital 400 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 3: bed down below. She felt no fear, only a profound 401 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 3: sense of peace. After a beautiful reunion with her deceased grandmother, 402 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 3: she was told it was time to go back. A 403 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 3: week later, it happened again. Trapped face down in her 404 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 3: specialized hospital bed, she was separated from her body once more, 405 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 3: but this time her experience wasn't over when she returned. Instead, 406 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 3: she found herself floating behind the nurse's station, where she 407 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 3: overheard them talking. She heard them say that her doctor 408 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 3: had insisted everyone lie to her about her recovery, telling 409 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 3: her she'd be in a body cast for only six 410 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 3: weeks when it was really going to be six months 411 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 3: or longer. She also heard that her day nurse had 412 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 3: become so upset after finding her trapped in the bed 413 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 3: that they had to send her home early When Barbara 414 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 3: was back in her body and a nurse came in, 415 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 3: she said, I left the bed again again. The nurse 416 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 3: told her she was just hallucinating. Then Barbara said, please 417 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 3: call my day nurse and tell her that I'm okay, 418 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 3: and you shouldn't lie to me and tell me I'm 419 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 3: going to be in a body cast for six weeks 420 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 3: when you know it's going to be six months. They 421 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 3: sedated her again, but the damage to her atheism was done. 422 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 3: She had verifiable proof. She had brought back private information 423 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 3: that was accurate that she could have not possibly ever known. 424 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 3: This is the power of vertical or verifiable evidence, which 425 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 3: is a cornerstone of ND research. It's one thing to 426 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 3: hear about a beautiful light and a tunnel, but it's 427 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 3: entirely another thing to hear about an account like that 428 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 3: of a man named Tom Sawyer. In nineteen seventy eight, 429 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 3: Tom was crushed in a terrible industrial accident. His heart stopped, 430 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 3: he had no pulse for fifteen minutes. During this time 431 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 3: he had a profound ND. He floated out of his 432 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 3: body and watched the resuscitation efforts from above. Later he 433 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 3: was able to describe in perfect detail, not only the 434 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 3: actions of the paramedics who saved him, but also he 435 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 3: described the frantic actions of a friend who had to 436 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 3: run to a nearby building to call for help, a 437 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 3: building Tom had never been in. From his out of 438 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 3: body perspective, Tom followed his friend. He described the layout 439 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 3: of the building's office, the specific posters on the wall, 440 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 3: the clothes people wore inside the building, and the exact 441 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 3: words they were saying. Every single detail he reported was 442 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 3: later confirmed by his friend, who was absolutely stunned that 443 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 3: Tom could have known any of it. This type of 444 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 3: evidence pushes the boundaries of conventional understanding, suggesting that our 445 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 3: consciousness can indeed perceive the world independently of our physical bodies, 446 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 3: even at a great distance. And sometimes the evidence isn't 447 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 3: just about what is seen, but also who was there 448 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 3: to help Take the story of Nancy Rhymes. Nancy was 449 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 3: a scientist and a writer for a science software company. 450 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 3: Raised in a Christian family, she had become a firm atheist, 451 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 3: certain that death was the absolute end, and she lived 452 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 3: with horrible fear because of it. But one beautiful January morning, 453 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 3: she went for a bike ride when a woman driving 454 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 3: a large SUV who was texting on her cell phone 455 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 3: cloud right into her. Nancy was dragged underneath the vehicle. 456 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 3: In this moment of terror, she experienced a duel consciousness. 457 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 3: One part of her was under the car fighting for 458 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 3: her life, while the other part, her soul, she believes, 459 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 3: was standing calmly out in front, watching the entire scene 460 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 3: unfold with a sense of peace. Eventually, a bystander stopped 461 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 3: the woman. As Nancy lay on the ground, a beautiful 462 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 3: blonde woman appeared, introduced herself as Anne, a trauma nurse, 463 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 3: and held her shoulders, telling her not to move. This 464 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 3: woman may have saved her from being paralyzed, as Nancy 465 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 3: had a massive, undetected spinal trauma. Later, the police confirmed 466 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 3: they saw the woman, but she refused to give her 467 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 3: name and then simply disappeared. No one else saw her. 468 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 3: Nancy feels it was a true angelic intervention. Nancy was 469 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 3: rushed to the hospital. Days later, during surgery to repair 470 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 3: her shattered spine, she had her near death experience. Instead 471 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 3: of anesthesia induced blackness, she woke up standing on a beautiful, 472 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 3: misty meadow, hit with a wave of pure, unconditional, welcoming love. 473 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 3: She the lifelong atheist, asked in her mind. I wonder 474 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 3: if I'm dead, and if i am, how come I'm here. 475 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 3: I don't believe in any of this stuff. A divine 476 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:36,439 Speaker 3: presence answered deep inside of her, You're my child. I'm 477 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 3: welcoming you back home. This is where you belong. A guide, 478 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,359 Speaker 3: a glowing woman she knew as Mary, then appeared and 479 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 3: taught her many things, including that divine love is the 480 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 3: physical binding force of the universe and that we are 481 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 3: all connected. Nancy came back from her experience and has 482 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,240 Speaker 3: dedicated her life to sharing the life lessons she learned 483 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 3: from this light. For Nancy, just like Barbara and Tom, 484 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 3: direct experience completely over wrote a lifetime of scientific disbelief. 485 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 3: It's amazing how a single experience can rewrite a lifetime 486 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 3: of belief. But what happens when that experience lasts not 487 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 3: for a few minutes, but for several days. Let me 488 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 3: tell you the astonishing story of doctor George Redonia in 489 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy six. George was a neurologist and a committed 490 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 3: state sponsored atheist in Soviet Georgia. His life was one 491 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 3: of science. He was certain that consciousness was a product 492 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 3: of brain chemistry and that life ended completely at the 493 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 3: moment of death. There was no room in his worldview 494 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 3: for a soul or spirit. Then he was struck by 495 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 3: a car and pronounced dead. His body was placed in 496 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 3: a freezer, where it remained for three days. While his 497 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 3: body lay cold and lifeless, George's consciousness was on the 498 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 3: most profound journey of his life. He experienced leaving his 499 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,240 Speaker 3: body and being plunged into a realm of total darkness, 500 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 3: but instead of fear, he felt a sense of curiosity. 501 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 3: He then witnessed his entire life, not as a linear movie, 502 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 3: but as a three dimensional hologram. He could enter and 503 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 3: reexperience from every perspective. He saw every choice he made 504 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 3: and understood its consequences. He was then pulled into a brilliant, 505 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 3: all encompassing light. In this light, he was infused with 506 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 3: an incredible amount of knowledge. He understood the history of 507 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 3: the world, the nature of the cosmos, and the interconnectedness 508 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 3: of all things. He saw that reality he was not random, 509 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 3: but a part of a beautiful divine plan, and that 510 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 3: love was the most powerful force in the universe. He 511 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 3: was shown the simple, raw experience of a baby in 512 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 3: its crib and understood that this physical life which he 513 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 3: had taken for granted was a precious gift. After three days, 514 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 3: doctors began to perform an autopsy on his body. As 515 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 3: they made the first incision into his abdomen, George's consciousness 516 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 3: was slammed back into his physical form. He opened his 517 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 3: eyes on the autopsy table to the absolute shock of 518 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 3: the medical staff. His long recovery began, But the man 519 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 3: who came back was not the man who had died 520 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 3: three days earlier. This staunch Soviet atheist was gone forever. 521 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 3: He eventually emigrated to the United States, was ordained as 522 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 3: a pre east in the Eastern Orthodox Church, and earned 523 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 3: a PhD in the psychology of religion. Doctor George Redonia, 524 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 3: the man who is dead for three days, spent the 525 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 3: rest of his life sharing his undeniable proof that life 526 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 3: is not an accident of chemistry, but an eternal journey 527 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 3: of the soul. His story is a powerful testament to 528 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 3: the fact that even the most hardened disbelief can be 529 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 3: shattered by the profound reality of the afterlife. It's time 530 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 3: for our break, and when we get back, we'll talk 531 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 3: about how we deal with skeptics and atheists. We'll be 532 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 3: right back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on 533 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio in Coast to Coast AM paranormal podcast network. 534 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 4: Hey folks, we need your music. He producer Tom at 535 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 4: Coast to Coast AM and every first Sunday of the 536 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 4: month we play music from emerging artists just like you. 537 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 4: If you're a musician or a singer and have recorded 538 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 4: music you'd like to submit, it's very easy. 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I'm Sandra Champlain. 558 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 3: We've heard incredible stories today. We journeyed with Jose Hernandez, 559 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 3: Doctor Eben Alexander, and doctor George Redonia from a world 560 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,800 Speaker 3: of logic and science into a reality of profound love 561 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 3: and connection. We descended into a self created darkness with 562 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 3: Howard Storm and doctor Rajieve Partie witnessing their rescue by 563 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 3: a divine light they had once denied, and we stood 564 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:55,439 Speaker 3: beside Barbara Harris Whitfield, Nancy Rhymes, and Tom Sawyer as 565 00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 3: their worldviews were completely shattered by verifiable proof and the 566 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:07,280 Speaker 3: undeniable feeling of returning home. These are not just fascinating tales, 567 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 3: they are powerful, true to life data points. They are evidence. 568 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 3: For these individuals, belief in the afterlife is no longer 569 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 3: a question of faith. It's a matter of personal, undeniable experience. 570 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 3: This brings up a question I know many of us face, 571 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 3: how do we talk about our beliefs, our experiences, and 572 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 3: our hope with the people in our lives who are 573 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 3: such staunch skeptics or atheists. Knowing this truth for ourselves 574 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 3: is one thing, but sharing it can be really difficult 575 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 3: and can sometimes lead to painful arguments or complete dismissal. 576 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 3: So how do we bridge that gap? I once had 577 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,760 Speaker 3: the opportunity to listen to a fascinating panel of scientists 578 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 3: and researchers who have spent their careers studying this very issue. 579 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 3: Their insights are so valuable for all of us. The 580 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 3: panel included neuroscientist doctor Marjorie Woollcott. She said that when 581 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 3: talking to a skeptic, the first thing to find out 582 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 3: is if they are curious at all. Many who identify 583 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 3: as skeptics aren't actually skeptical. They are firm believers in 584 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,280 Speaker 3: materialism and they think they already have all the answers. 585 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 3: If they show no curiosity, she advises, it's best to 586 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 3: just change the subject. But if they are even a 587 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 3: little bit curious, she suggests presenting them with the best 588 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,959 Speaker 3: data we have, the carefully controlled prospective studies on near 589 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 3: death experiences, where patients with no brain activity report verifiable 590 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 3: out of body perceptions. But doctor Woollcott also says we 591 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 3: must have compassion because she used to be that way herself, 592 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,759 Speaker 3: an arrogant scientist who thought she knew all the answers, 593 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,439 Speaker 3: and it took a personal experience to open her up. 594 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 3: Doctor Neil Grossman, a philosopher who spent forty years in 595 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:21,799 Speaker 3: academia surrounded by materialists, offered another profound insight. He suggests 596 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,760 Speaker 3: we shouldn't use the word skeptic, because being skeptical really 597 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,280 Speaker 3: is a good quality that we should all have. Instead, 598 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 3: he calls them believers in the ideology of materialism or 599 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:41,359 Speaker 3: funda materialists, much like a religious fundamentalist who will not 600 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 3: change their belief no matter what the evidence. He shared 601 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 3: a story of asking a colleague what it would take 602 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 3: to convince him, and the man replied, even if I 603 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,880 Speaker 3: were to have such an experience, I would believe myself 604 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 3: to be hallucinating. Grossman says you can't argue with that. 605 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,439 Speaker 3: He believes the refusal to look at the data, which 606 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 3: he says is now beyond a reasonable doubt, isn't about rationality. 607 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:17,359 Speaker 3: He believes it's really rooted in fear of emotion. These 608 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,920 Speaker 3: experiences are filled with powerful emotions as we know, top 609 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 3: among them is love. He said, I think the deep 610 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 3: down fear is the fear of love. The principles of 611 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 3: unconditional love are completely inconsistent with a world often driven 612 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 3: by greed and ego. For someone deeply invested in that world, 613 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:46,720 Speaker 3: the complications of the afterlife are simply too threatening to consider. 614 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 3: Stephen Schwartz, a researcher who co founded the field of 615 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 3: remote viewing, added a historical perspective. He argues that materialism 616 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 3: is not a scientific conclusion, but a cultural affectation that 617 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 3: began with the Council of Trent in the fifteen hundreds. 618 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 3: The Church declared that consciousness was their domain and if 619 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 3: scientists dabbled in it, they would be killed. For three 620 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 3: hundred years, it was a taboo topic. Scientists, to protect 621 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 3: their lives and their careers, simply decided they didn't care 622 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 3: about that game anyway. He believes we are now in 623 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 3: a paradigm crisis where the anomalies, the millions of people 624 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 3: with nves and other spiritual experiences are accumulating to a 625 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:49,680 Speaker 3: point where the old materialist paradigm can no longer hold. 626 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:55,280 Speaker 3: So what's the answer. Stephen Schwartz believes it's not about 627 00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 3: arguing data, but about changing consciousness through our own being. 628 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 3: This he shared a story about Gandhi who said he 629 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,960 Speaker 3: forced the British to leave India not by what he 630 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,120 Speaker 3: said or did, but by the nature of character. It's 631 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,080 Speaker 3: about who we are. When we live from a place 632 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,280 Speaker 3: of love, compassion, and the certainty of our eternal nature, 633 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,799 Speaker 3: we create ripples that change the culture around us. The 634 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 3: work of these incredible researchers and so many others highlights 635 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,320 Speaker 3: the importance of having a central place for this information 636 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,719 Speaker 3: for both scientists and experienceers. Are like I want to 637 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,840 Speaker 3: remind everyone of our friends at the International Association for 638 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,759 Speaker 3: Near Death Studies also called IAMS, and find them at 639 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,919 Speaker 3: IMS dot org. Their website has thousands of near death 640 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,720 Speaker 3: experiences you can read, groups you can join, and every 641 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,880 Speaker 3: year they have a conference which you can go to 642 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,719 Speaker 3: live or live stream from the comfort of your home. Personally, 643 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,080 Speaker 3: I've learned so much from these experts, and it's been 644 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,640 Speaker 3: well over twenty five years now of having these conversations 645 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:16,320 Speaker 3: with myself and so many guests between my two podcasts 646 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,759 Speaker 3: that I've learned a few things. First, let me tell 647 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:25,120 Speaker 3: you you can never convince anyone of anything if their 648 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,400 Speaker 3: heart is closed. The goal is not to win an argument. 649 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,799 Speaker 3: It really is just about planting a seed. At some 650 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 3: point in everyone's life we start asking ourselves these big 651 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,279 Speaker 3: questions about life, death, and the afterlife. We can't force it, 652 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,520 Speaker 3: just like we can't force a flower to bloom, but 653 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 3: we can plant that seed. And the best way to 654 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 3: do that is by sharing a personal story, either your 655 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,600 Speaker 3: own or one that you've heard, without any attachment to 656 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,200 Speaker 3: whether they're going to believe it or not. Just put 657 00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,359 Speaker 3: it out there as a gift. Second, lead with love. 658 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 3: Often a person's rigid disbelief comes from a place of 659 00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 3: deep fear or pain. Arguing with them only builds the 660 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,360 Speaker 3: wall higher, but speaking from a place of love and 661 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,840 Speaker 3: compassion can sometimes create a small little crack in that wall. 662 00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,160 Speaker 3: And finally, our job is to know when to let 663 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,520 Speaker 3: it go and not try to convert anyone. Our job 664 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,879 Speaker 3: is to live our own truth and be a shining light. 665 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 3: The right people will be drawn to that light when 666 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,879 Speaker 3: they are ready. The stories of these atheists and skeptics 667 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 3: are not just about them. They are an invitation to 668 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,400 Speaker 3: all of us, an invitation to question our own limiting beliefs, 669 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 3: to open ourselves to the possibility of a grander reality, 670 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,319 Speaker 3: and to start living a life based on the profound 671 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,400 Speaker 3: truth that consciousness is eternal and that love is the 672 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,879 Speaker 3: ultimate force in the universe. Right now, right here, You've 673 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,040 Speaker 3: got loved ones in the room around you, taking a 674 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,400 Speaker 3: little glance at how you're living your lif life, loving you, 675 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 3: holding you, And of course they'll dart back and continue 676 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,239 Speaker 3: their journeys in the unseen world, but they're right here 677 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 3: by our side, especially when we need them the most. 678 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:13,279 Speaker 2: I know. 679 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,440 Speaker 3: You might be like me, a former disbeliever, but open 680 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,120 Speaker 3: and on the search for evidence of the afterlife. You're 681 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:26,320 Speaker 3: not alone. Take US Navy commander Suzanne Geeseman, or scientists 682 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,440 Speaker 3: and engineer Alan Huguenot, or Mark Anthony, the psychic lawyer, 683 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,960 Speaker 3: or Laureln Jackson, a highly regarded English school teacher who 684 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,719 Speaker 3: lived a very grounded and normal life. These are not 685 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,440 Speaker 3: people who are predisposed to believing in the afterlife. I 686 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,080 Speaker 3: can tell you. They're thinkers, analysts, and leaders who are 687 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,480 Speaker 3: confronted with evidence so personal and so powerful that changed 688 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,680 Speaker 3: their worldview and they didn't just start to believe. Their 689 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,480 Speaker 3: experiences open them up to an entirely new reality. And 690 00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,000 Speaker 3: what's fascinating is that many of them, because of their 691 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,799 Speaker 3: analytical minds, have gone on to become some of the 692 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:10,279 Speaker 3: most evidential and respected mediums in the world today. Our 693 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,560 Speaker 3: journeys aren't just about blind faith. It's just about being 694 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,080 Speaker 3: open to the evidence. My friend, what part of these 695 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,440 Speaker 3: stories resonated with you the most? What's made a difference. 696 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,240 Speaker 3: Was it the idea that even a hardened skeptic can change. 697 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,840 Speaker 3: Was it the fact that there really is verifiable information 698 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,560 Speaker 3: from near death experiences? Was it the love that we 699 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,560 Speaker 3: each get to feel when we cross over. I'd love 700 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,040 Speaker 3: to hear your comments. I do read every review you leave, 701 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,560 Speaker 3: whether it's on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen. 702 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,719 Speaker 3: Feel free to leave a review on an episode you 703 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 3: know it helps more people find their way through grief 704 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,759 Speaker 3: and reminds them they are not alone. And also as 705 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,000 Speaker 3: a reminder. You can find me at we Doo'tdie dot com. 706 00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,920 Speaker 3: We offer classes and of course our free Sunday gathering 707 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:05,240 Speaker 3: inspirational service with medium demonstration included. Come fifteen minutes early 708 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,279 Speaker 3: before it starts. I always open it up and I'd 709 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,640 Speaker 3: love to meet you it's on Zoom easy to get to. Also, 710 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,280 Speaker 3: at the bottom of the page at We Dontdie dot com, 711 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,319 Speaker 3: enter your name and your email address, says you get 712 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,000 Speaker 3: the first few chapters of my book We Don't Die 713 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,280 Speaker 3: as skeptics discovery of life after death, but in secret, 714 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:25,600 Speaker 3: it's the entire thing. 715 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:26,279 Speaker 2: I know. 716 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,960 Speaker 3: Many people come to the show looking for evidence of 717 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,960 Speaker 3: the afterlife because they're deeply grieving. Chapter ten of my 718 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,360 Speaker 3: book is how to survive grief with some very helpful 719 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 3: tools and an understanding of why and how we grieve. 720 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 3: I want to leave you with a powerful quote from 721 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,640 Speaker 3: the great philosopher Carl Jung. He was once asked if 722 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,839 Speaker 3: he believed in God and the afterlife. He said, I 723 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,279 Speaker 3: don't believe. I know. For the people whose stories we 724 00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,680 Speaker 3: heard today, this is their reality. They went from believing 725 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,160 Speaker 3: to knowing. May their stories give all of us the 726 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:08,680 Speaker 3: courage to find our own knowing. So give yourself a 727 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,840 Speaker 3: big hug. It is definitely not easy to be a 728 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:16,560 Speaker 3: human being. I'm Sanders Champlain. Thank you so much for 729 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,920 Speaker 3: spending your valuable time with me listening to Shades of 730 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,200 Speaker 3: the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 731 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,760 Speaker 3: Paranormal Podcast Network. 732 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,919 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 733 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,960 Speaker 1: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 734 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,279 Speaker 1: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 735 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:48,759 Speaker 1: to iHeartRadio dot com