WEBVTT - Possessed 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.480 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.280 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:08.119 vicious felonies. 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:10.719 These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:30.760 Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up, an 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:31.880 SFU podcast. 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:34.960 I'm Kara Klink and I'm Liza Traeger. 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:40.440 We talk SVU, true crime, and run other stuff. Honestly, 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:44.080 we have a lot to discuss us. We constantly have 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.000 so much to discuss. And we're in the time machine. 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:47.600 Baby. 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.160 Oh yeah, we're in the time machine. By the time 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:55.120 this comes out, Lisa will have recorded a show stopping hour. 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:58.720 I can't wait to hear about it. And coming up 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:01.720 is Father Day? Are you doing anything? Are you going 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:03.120 to see your dad or Oh? 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:06.000 And Mike, Actually no, I'm probably leaving right before I'm going. 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:06.560 When is it. 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:08.600 I'm going for my mom's birthday, which is June ninth, 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:10.880 and then I'm leaving for that weekend, so I'll probably 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:11.320 be gone. 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.400 Yeah, yeah, it's it's the following weekend. It's the sixteenth. 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:17.280 It's my mom's birthday. Actually, is Father's Day this year? 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.360 Wow? How do you feel? I don't know what I'm 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:21.040 supposed to do. 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:22.520 I mean, I don't really do anything for my dad 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:24.559 on Father's Day, honestly, but I do something for Jared. 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:26.120 I mean, I'll probably just get him. 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.279 I just get him a membership to the movie store 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:32.840 that it's a video store slash movie theater called Vidiots. 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:36.119 That's an eagle rock that he loves, and I think 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:37.840 Casey likes it too, and he. 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:39.440 Gets is it a yearly membership? 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:41.240 Yeah, a year long membership, and he gets like all 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.240 these perks, like no late fees, and he can get 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.560 like free popcorn and shit at some of the movies. 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:48.120 And I don't know, it's like all these perks that 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:48.560 he likes. 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:50.840 So I'll get him that and then I don't know 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.560 what else, maybe like a new piece of clothing or something. 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.760 I don't know. I'll probably just send them donuts like 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:57.000 they I don't know. 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.520 Yeah, I think my dad really like. My dad likes 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:03.680 sweet and so I'll probably send donuts. Because when I 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:05.760 sent him nuts, he said never to do that again. 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.000 So I never send me nuts. What was the problem? 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.800 I he was just he said he doesn't want any 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:16.080 more nuts, So okay, I said a hi, wow, Wait, 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.320 did I not read you this text from my sister 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.240 about my I doesn't read this too. 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:21.440 I don't think so. 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:22.960 This has nothing to do with the nuts, but it 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.200 does have to do with my father. So my sister's 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.560 renting out her house and she gets this text from 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:31.640 the renters. There's a shirtless older man wandering around in 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.760 our backyard? Is it a family member of yours? Just 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:38.680 making sure? And then my sister responds, Oh, my god, 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:40.160 probably I'll call my dad. 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:45.160 And it was my father in the yard. That is 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:49.440 so funny. What was he doing? He was picking the tomatoes. 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:50.800 He wanted the tomatoes. 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:53.600 Couldn't put a shirt on, Dad, I'm renting, you gotta 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:54.200 put a shirt on. 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.200 Well he does, he just does not wear shirts. And 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.680 then I got a nut. Then my mom did something 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:03.200 fucking silly. Both my parents are just being such themselves 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:08.880 this week, wildly so. And my sister is a photographer, like, 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.000 she likes taking wild photos, and she would always put 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.840 the kids in kind of wild situations. They jump off bridges, 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.360 they would get close to a ledges like. She liked 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:19.760 to do optical illusion style photos with the children, which 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:20.760 do scare my mother. 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:22.160 Oh, I understand that. 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.760 So then my mom goes, good morning, Sasha and family, 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:28.120 Please be very careful when you will go to the mountains. 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:29.520 I saw the photo of you. 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:34.040 Know, Benji and Natalie, and and in Russian, she goes, 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.600 they're standing too close to the edge. That is very dangerous. 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.920 Have a safety and nice day, Love you all very much. 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.560 And then my sister responds, going, Mom, that was a 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:45.280 parking lot. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.400 The photo is near the parking lot. 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.560 Oh my god, I'm looking at the parking lot and 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:53.880 there is truly it is flat ground and there is 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:55.200 no drop off anywhere. 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.920 Oh my god. So funny. 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.480 So that's what both of you have to look forward 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:07.360 to in your elderly eight years, because I just don't 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.120 think you ever start worrying and your kids get closer 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:11.360 and closer to legends I get. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:15.200 I mean, it's truly by the parking lot, but so wild. 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.040 That is really wild. 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:21.720 Wait, speaking of parenting, I don't even think I fully 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.320 talked to you about how I went and did career 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:24.600 day at Rosie's school. 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.240 No, that was you have to talk about it. 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:31.039 I went and I did career day, and I didn't 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:32.159 know what it was even going to be. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:34.160 I thought it was going to be tons of parents 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:35.360 there were four of us. 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.839 There was a nurse, an EMT, and then me and 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.480 this commercial actress and she was like, well, we got 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:43.880 two people that save lives and then us two clowns. 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.000 Like we were like this is gonna be And of 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.080 course they like loved the nurse because she brought. 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:51.240 Yeah, but that's important because I feel like kids know 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:55.120 about all those other jobs and I feel like creative 0:04:55.240 --> 0:05:00.400 jobs aren't talked about yet. They're possible, yes, but it's 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.359 an elementary school, so they're so young to even know 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:06.440 what is like. You know, half of them are like, 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:08.640 I'm gonna be a fireman, like you know what I mean. 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.839 Like they're not really like that's what I mean. 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.640 They know what nurses are totally is gonna like click 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:15.480 for someone else's brain totally. 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.680 But what I'm saying is I was explaining my creative 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.039 job and I think I was making it sound pretty 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:22.360 cool and a lot of them were just looking at 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.280 me like wait, what, like they don't get it? 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:24.920 You know what I mean? 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:26.960 Like I was like, you know, they asked me to 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:28.600 describe my typical day, and I don't really have a 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:30.640 typical day. Every day is kind of different, So you 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:32.640 got to kind of manage your own time and you 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:34.280 can be your own boss. And they were just kind 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.000 of like, you tell us a joke, Like I had 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:38.720 to go to all different groups, So I did the 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:40.880 littlest kids first, which is Rosie's group. So that was 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:42.480 fine because like, I know a lot of those kids, 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.240 and I just like Rosie came up and did a 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.160 little joke into the microphone that I brought. I brought 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:49.560 my podcasting equipment. I brought my little zoom recorder and 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:53.040 a mic, and I actually have an extra like kind 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.480 of zoom recorder. It's a different brand, it's Jared's, and 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:57.080 so I brought that and I like let them I 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.560 handed it around so they could like press the buttons 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:01.800 or whatever, because they get bored, so you have to 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.520 bring them something to like physically do. So, but the 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.039 oldest kids, it devolved into a who have you met 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:10.839 that's famous? And they kept asking who have you collabed 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.200 with on your podcast that is the most famous, Like 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:14.279 they kept saying collab. 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.839 I was like, it's just an interviewer or whatever. 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:20.200 But I couldn't really think of anybody that we've had 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.520 on the podcast that they would think was cool, like 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.359 as a current modern day fifth grader, you know, without 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.120 being like, oh the voice in this animated movie, you 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.760 know what I mean? Like because we have this show's older, 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.120 so like it's more it's more older people. But like 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:35.880 I did tell them, I was like, oh, I worked 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:37.279 on this other show where I got to meet Nicki 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.240 Minaj And they went fucking nuts for that that I 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:40.920 got to meet Nicki Minaj. They asked if I'd ever 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.320 met Adam Sandler. I said no, I've been on a 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.200 show with him though, and they were like, oh my god. 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:47.640 And they all love Fluffy like their favorite comedian. I 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:49.080 was like, do you guys know what stand up comedy is? 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.240 And they were like Fluffy, like they just all love 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:56.200 not my crowd. Yeah, I said, well I have friends 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:57.160 who have opened for him. 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:58.520 Do you know what that means? That's when you like. 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:02.440 Warm up the crowds talking about you. But other I 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:04.320 know other people that have opened form also, but like 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.719 but it was really a laugh. Like I was, I 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.040 do not really get nervous performing very much, and I 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.000 was very nervous in front of some of these classes. 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:13.920 I was like, these kids are gonna rip me apart. 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.200 Of course, that's what's wild it's like you're an adult, 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.920 but like children, teens, college kids, that's the worst. I mean, 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:22.880 I just did a show for like young twenty year 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.280 olds and I was like, I don't know, I'm wearing 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:26.200 an ankle sock and. 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.520 Yeah, like, oh my god, I've just read the ankle 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:29.080 sock thing. 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.000 I'm like, no, now, do you think the anklesock thing 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:36.040 includes like not socks because I mostly wear those like 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:37.280 socks that you can't see at all. 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:39.680 Yeah, that's that's oka that is. 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:41.400 I thought they were talking about ankle socks where like 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.160 the little bit of ankle comes out over the sneaker, 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:44.720 which is that' storky you're looking? 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:47.400 Well, no, not to them. They like a sock. They 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:50.080 want they like to show the whull sock. Yeah, they 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:54.720 want to pull a full sock up. Damn, damn, damn, damn. 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.760 I was pop. Everything is just the cycle. So it's 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:59.960 like a reminder to just do whatever the fuck you want. 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.160 I know, I know, but that's my thing. Older people 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:06.160 we did not care what older like. I just don't 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.600 remember all this discussion and we've talked about this, like 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:10.240 why as a thirty five year old do you care 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.320 about the trends? Of a nineteen year olds like, get 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:13.000 it together right. 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:13.600 Now, if you're alive. 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.760 The part, the middle part, the vodka sodas we've talked 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:18.480 about right now. 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.400 But I do like having a middle part now, So 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.560 I guess I do have the younger generation I think 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:22.880 for that. 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.960 Wait, so that's the younger kids. How did the older kids? 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.600 They also the cops came and they brought their motorcycles 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.920 and they brought horses, so the kids were obviously like 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:36.600 gagged over the horses, and then we had to go 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.920 after that. They also brought bomb sniffing dogs, so we 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.320 had to go after that like the little animal show. 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.040 I was like, cool, now I'm going to talk about 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.080 like how you have to have a website or no. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:46.839 I didn't even say that. 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.080 I just showed them my website because there's like kind 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:50.480 of a funny picture of me on it, and I 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.520 was like, so do you think this sells me as 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.000 a comedian? And this one girl goes, I think you 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:55.800 should have a mustache, and I was like, honestly, that's 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.000 a great idea. 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:00.640 I was stressed, but it was good. It was funny. 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:02.880 They were just like asking me, like can I tell 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.240 you a joke? And so like after the oldest kids, 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:06.600 it was who do you know that's famous? And the 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.960 middle aged kids like the second third, second third, we're 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.640 that second third, fourth, I guess we're asking me, can 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:13.920 I tell you a joke? And then they were all 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:15.960 getting up and telling me like, you know, knock knock 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:17.680 jokes and stuff like that, and it was very cute. 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:23.400 And what are the summer camp plans? Are they doing regular? 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:27.199 Are they like doing themed ones? What did you get into? 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:28.040 What did you get into? 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.160 Well, I'm so glad you asked. I'm so glad you asked. 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:33.560 I don't probably everywhere there's a lot of moms that 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:35.199 listen to this podcast. I'm sure it's this is the 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.880 same everywhere. But this is my first summer with Rosie 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:39.880 in public school, so I've had to like organize her 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.040 whole summer. Oscar just goes to a summer program at 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:43.760 his school. They just keep going and it's like no 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:45.840 big deal. And that's what Rosie did. So now you 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.719 have to like jigsaw Tetris this whole week together, and 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.800 there's all these deadlines and shit. So first week she's 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.400 going to zoo camp, which she did one week of 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:55.040 last year, and she loved it, so she'll be at 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:55.640 the zoo camp. 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.640 She's pumped. Then she's gonna do You should. 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:03.760 Let her know I met a chinchilla today, actually today, yeah, yeah, 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:04.800 Oh my god. 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:06.880 It's only three o'clock. I can't where you are. I 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:10.400 can't believe you've already met at chinchilla. Well I can't believe. 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:14.240 As I've been to the stylist's studio, I would say 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:16.600 five times, and only today I was told that there 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:20.120 was a chinchilla named Jimmy Chow. And so obviously I 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.320 was like, what the fuck is wrong with you? And 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.320 so I went and got to meet her today. 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.640 Never has a lead been more buried than not exposing 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.560 Lisa to a chinchilla at her stylists named Jimmy Choo. 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.400 Like that is these people need to be punished. H 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.120 But I Then she's going to an art camp for 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.600 a week, and then she's going to a little camp 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:41.360 that's like through a rec center where they take you 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:42.880 on field trips and one of them is to a 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:44.760 water park and she's literally losing her mind. 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:46.200 She's been talking about it no stop. 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.320 Then she's doing a three week acting camp where they're 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:51.520 gonna there's gonna be a play and a show and everything. 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:53.920 And I think she'll be one of the youngest kids. 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.319 So we'll see. We'll see if she. 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:00.880 Likes it, and then wild Summer so Zoo are field 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:04.160 trip acting, and then back to field trip for two 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:05.680 more weeks, and then we go out of town for 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:06.320 two weeks. 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.120 She's gonna have the summer of her life. I know, 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:10.880 she keeps. She goes, why don't I have to go 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:11.760 to school every day? 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:13.040 And I go, first of all, you love, this is 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:16.520 just the most expensive summer of your life, like you. 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:17.800 Know what some of them were. 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:21.320 Actually, she if I could, I would just do this 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.040 rec center camp every week because those are affordable. 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:25.440 The other ones are expensive. 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.600 But you know, it's what I paid for her to 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.920 go to a private, fucking preschool. So I'm just I'm 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:33.800 happy I got the year off of paying for that 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:37.080 for two kids. But yeah, she's she's pumped. I think 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:41.079 she's gonna be doing fun stuff. We'll see. And Oscar, 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:43.439 we'll see. He doesn't like his school very much. I 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.439 don't know if he'll like it when the summer program starts, 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:46.560 because it's like less structured. 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:48.800 Maybe he'll be into that. Isn't the whole thing when 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:50.120 Mom's a story, no structure. 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.920 No, it's like what I think of it is, it's 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:57.760 kind of like organized, unstructured. Like so I got to 0:11:57.800 --> 0:11:59.600 go and I had never been able to go and 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:01.480 sit in the classroom and watch them do something. I 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.679 did this like two weeks ago because Rosie was there 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:05.480 for COVID, so like you were never allowed to go 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:05.720 do it. 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:07.640 Now they're letting people do it. So I went in. 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:08.719 You're supposed to sit in a chair. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:10.480 You're really not supposed to like communicate with your kid, 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.200 which of course confuses them. And all the kids are 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:13.640 trying to talk to me and ask me in things 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.280 and show me things. And they basically have all these 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.160 little jobs and things around the room and they can 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.000 take whatever they want, but they have to like go 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.600 do their job quietly, and like a job could be 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:25.440 like a puzzle or like looking through at a butterfly 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:29.040 through a magnifying glass, or organizing these shapes into a tower, 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.560 like you can do whichever one you want, but you 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:33.800 just have to be doing something like that, so it 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:37.000 doesn't have a wild There's other places that are considered 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.480 more play based, where kids are just like wilding out 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.200 doing whatever they want. And that's I wouldn't say that's 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.600 the vibe at this place. It's like choice but more 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:47.000 but structured. 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:47.040 You know. 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:49.800 Okay, okay, Yeah it was cute though. I was glad 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.360 I got to see it. I was, you know, it's 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.400 like a little fly on the wall. But yeah, that's 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.520 that's all I have from kid watch. What else is 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.520 going on drag Race? Did you have any thoughts I'm 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.440 watching I've watched now the first three. 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.319 Well, we're in the time machine, so we're talking about 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.560 tails and titties and snatch love games. 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.440 So yeah, that's where we're at. 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:13.000 I think Got Mixed Dog is my number one favorite 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:13.520 of all time. 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:17.440 Like I loved her. I loved it. I did not 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:18.840 know where that was going to go. I was like, 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:20.840 you're being lassy, and then it was so good. 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.199 It's just you're creative, you can make you can make 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:25.319 a lot of things work. 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.560 And the outfit was incredible, Like she was like really 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:31.840 catapulted herself as like no, no, no, I'm the I'm the 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:35.920 front runner. Actually yeah, and it was clear to see 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:37.400 this episode it's. 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.480 Got Mixed to lose. I think she's so good. 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:44.440 Yeah, if only Plastic could be a little funny. 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.199 Yeah, only, and Plustique is. 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:53.520 Gorge I mean she's otherworldly. I would say, yeah, she's 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:54.440 so pretty. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.800 Well because I didn't really know the true depths of 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:01.360 Plastic until the drive in Drag Race show of Pandemic, 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:06.160 and I was blown away because I just thought she 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.680 was a look queen, which is also cool, but the 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:11.679 performance was pop star level. 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:12.560 I was so impressed. 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:14.120 I was like, oh, I have no idea, and that's 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:15.800 why I think when the drag queens are like, your 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.760 opinions actually don't matter because this is a show and 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.840 all of them are good at drag yes, like, so 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:24.200 that was eye. 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.240 Opening to me. And but same with Violet. 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.440 She's a quote unquote look queen, but she's doing incredible shows, 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.720 the Stilace style performance, and she's about to fulfill her 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:38.800 dream in Paris. She's performing at the maybe not Mulan Route, 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.080 but she's performing. She's a residency in Paris and it's 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:41.440 her goal. 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:42.400 Wow. 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:43.280 Yeah. 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.240 She talks about it on the pit stop, which for 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.320 some reason, you're trying to prove something by not watching, 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:49.680 but I am watching. 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:53.000 I'm gonna watch it. Violet's also very funny and like cutting. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.360 You know, like the thing is is like you you know, 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.800 they all have their strengths, and you're trying to find 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:00.960 the person that's the best at all of the things, 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:02.800 or that you know at least can do some of 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.400 the things. It's like, yes, Georgius is a great dancer. 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.280 You're never going to convince me that Georgious is ever 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.480 going to be good at an acting challenge or a 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.960 imitation challenge or anything like that. You know, Like, and 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.720 she looks great. So Violet's going to be at the 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:19.800 Crazy Horse. Ah yeah in Paris. 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.480 Okay, Yeah, I guess I'm plugging Violet States June twenty 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:24.560 fourth through the twenty eighth. 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:25.560 That's where she'll be. 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.760 All right and go see our good friend Violet CHOCHKEI 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.040 I wish, I wish. 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.560 I mean, I don't know if I could actually handle it. 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:35.400 I don't dress good enough to be around Violet. 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.200 But you know, I mean, I. 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.680 Know, I gotta watch I gotta watch the goddamn pit Stop. 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.000 I just don't watch anything on YouTube is my thing. 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.240 I'm like fully telling you, as I'm an old person 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.320 that doesn't watch YouTube. I have so much shit on 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.480 my TV and my streaming and everything, and I'm just 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:50.800 like not popping on YouTube. 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.360 Oh, I'm watching Hacks from season one because I kind 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:01.040 of wanna watch it. This holy to be able to 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:04.720 watch the finale with everything all at once in the 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:11.760 I think I'm on is so good, so impressed with 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:13.480 everything they do. 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.000 I love Hacks, I really love it. I love Hacks 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:17.000 so much. I think I'm on. 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:21.800 I'm only not caught up on this week, this week's 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.040 two episodes or yeah. 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:28.880 They continue to surprise me, challenge me, make me laugh, 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:33.320 make me tear up, be impressed with the overall production everywhere, 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:34.840 Like I just fucking love it. 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.960 Yeah, it's It's also like there are shows like thirty 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:40.760 Rock or whatever that I consider to be one of 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.680 the best sitcoms of or Veep where there's like all 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.880 hard jokes, just constant joke joke, joke, joke joke. This 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:48.800 show also has a lot of hard jokes, but then 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:53.000 also has all this heart you know what I mean exactly? Yeah, Yeah, 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.480 it's a it's a real gem. If you're not watching Hacks, 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.040 what the hell is wrong with you? 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:59.960 And even like season three is so good, and then 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.160 going back to season one and just remembering how I 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.240 felt when I first started watching it, Like it really is, 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.879 I think one of my favorite contemporary shows, if not 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:10.480 number one. 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:11.760 Yeah, yeah, for sure. 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.920 I'm also catching up on all the old Saturday Night 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:16.960 Lives from the rest of this season right now, like 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:18.879 because I had like seven of them on my DVR 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:20.439 and was like, I need to watch these, so like, 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:24.040 I just watched the Josh Brolin Ariana last night, and 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:25.640 the and the Well. 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.000 I mean not to brag, but the woman doing my 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.399 set design for my special did ariana grande set design 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:32.480 for SNL what. 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.760 I don't know if you liked it, they it was 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:36.840 mind blowing. 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.920 I literally said, Wow, her sets are like nothing I've 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:41.240 seen on SNL before. 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:42.400 Yeah. 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:46.679 Oh, her name is Amanda, and I cannot wait to 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.479 see I can't believe I have not even gotten a 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:53.520 sneak peek text of a sketch or anything. I've gotten nothing. 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.760 Well, I'm also, you know, I'm trying to be as 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.639 chill as possible. So unless it's like a decision that 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:03.560 I need to make, I'm telling people to leave me alone. 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.840 Yeah, and letting the professionals do their job. Yeah, you 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:07.760 go get it together. 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:12.200 I'm you know, you're also, yeah, I'm trying to keep 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:15.440 it chill and act like whatever, and so you guys 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:17.520 go run around, but no, I just got was it 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:17.880 with her? 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:18.399 We talked. 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.879 I got one photo of like a piece, and I 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.439 was like, uh, you know, but this always happens when 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:25.159 you work with really cool professionals that are good at 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.840 what they do. Whatever you have in your head is 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.960 it's gonna be ten times what you can imagine because 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:32.919 you're not even a pro at what you're doing, Like 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.359 you can't. Hopefully when you hire people that are really 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.720 good that they blow you away because yeah, yeah, they 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:41.760 have the skills that you can't imagine. 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:43.400 Do you know? I worked with. 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:48.480 This guy on this fucking Nickelodeon show that I worked 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:50.959 on where I was the I was like a writer's 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:54.800 assistant and an assistant to the producer. And he has 0:18:54.960 --> 0:19:00.960 like done the set design for Taylor for all these 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:07.080 like amazing videos Beyoncey, Like he is so fucking good 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.119 and I just can't believe he worked on this little 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:11.240 Nickelodeon show. 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.840 I'm a little confused why we haven't ever asked many 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:15.119 favors of this person. 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.480 I haven't just now hearing about this, I haven't talked 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:22.920 to him in a while, but yeah, he's like, he's like, yeah, 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.280 he worked on the Aras tour. I guess I'm looking 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:29.640 at his Instagram. I'll send you his instagram. Ethan toabman. 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:33.320 He's very he's very talented, and I'm honestly on par 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:34.920 with one of you. Brought me a full fat coke. 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.200 I am in a rage at the moment, but we're 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.040 not like he's not like a guy where I can 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:40.480 be like, hey, can you give me tickets? 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:41.080 You know, like, we're not. 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:44.480 I hate asking for favorite because I actually had someone 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:46.199 atline Age be like, well, what do you mean to 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:47.760 we could have helped you, and I go, I'm not 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:51.200 fucking like you gotta. Yeah, he did the fucking new 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.080 Alien stuff. Oh my god. 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:56.800 And he was on this little Nickelodeon show with me 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:01.399 and we're, yeah, we're he's really I talented. 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:08.360 Oh my god, oh god, this is incredible. Yeah, because 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:11.840 the new stuff for the TTPD is incredible. And he 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.439 posted when he did anti Hero. Wait he did her 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:16.960 for SNL I think too. Yeah, thirty Rockfeller, Yeah, I 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:17.639 love I love it. 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:19.680 And he did the Anti Hero video and stuff, which 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:23.000 I thought was like visually cool and I liked. I thought, 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:25.399 I think he's really but I honestly think he worked 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:28.600 on like formation, like the Beyonce Like he really has 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.520 been like doing so much cool shit and he's, yeah, 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:33.639 just a killer creative. 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:39.320 So I can't believe that he did this new set. 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:40.280 This is everybody. 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:44.040 He'll give Ethan Todman a follow. He's very, very talented. 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:47.080 I'm gonna sells again. 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:51.080 Lemonage. He was part of Lemonade. Well, I think they. 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:54.000 I think the lemon they Rolling Stone did like the 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:58.000 top one hundred albums of all time, and uh, Lemonade 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.399 is in top ten, which is or I'm making something 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:03.639 fully up, but I mean. 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:05.639 It should be in my opinion, I thought, let me 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.119 get stop the best and is everything? Yeah, Like I 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:12.000 love that album, and I guess the only country album 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:18.159 to make the list is Casey Musgraves Look at that, 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:21.080 which is what I tell people where I'm like, she 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.119 transcended in a way where this is one of the 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:24.320 greatest albums of all time. 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:26.200 It is what it is. Golden Hour is so good. 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:27.400 I was listening to it yesterday. 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:31.199 All right, Casey's already given us the twenty minute, so 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:33.159 we should probably grasp it up. 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:35.000 Us. 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:39.719 Really, living on opposite coasts has increased the time of 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:40.439 I know. 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:43.400 Sorry, guys, you're gonna have to get long intros now 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:46.040 because we don't live down the street from each other anymore. 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:50.359 But before we get into this great episode, let's let 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:51.960 me just remind you guys that if you go to 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:54.159 That's mess up live dot com, you can get the 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:57.360 new restock of do you Have Children Detective t shirts 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:00.640 two different styles, there's the toe bag, there's other great 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:04.000 shit to buy, and then it also has a link 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.200 to our promo codes for all the stuff that we advertise. 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:07.919 If you're in the market for anything, why not use 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:10.679 a promo code support us get money off. It all works, 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:13.320 and you can get the Lisa's website link takes you 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:16.879 to all her summer dates that she's doing. So get 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:24.840 involved and yeah, let's kick it off. This episode's wild. Okay, 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:29.640 we're gonna do this episode Possessed. It sounds like it's 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:32.320 gonna be about, you know, spooky spirits, but it's not. 0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:37.080 It's from season twelve, Season twelve, episode twelve, and the opening. 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:40.159 The show opens with a guy who definitely flat irons 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:42.720 his hair running up some apartment steps and pounding on 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:46.880 an apartment door, yelling Larissa, Larissa, over and over. An 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:51.679 older lady neighbor My favorite SVU side character, the Manhattan 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:54.920 neighbor lady that's like, and who are you? And she goes, 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:58.240 I'm Patrick, I'm Larissa's boyfriend. And the lady goes, prove it. 0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:01.080 She watches us for you, and he goes, I walk 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:02.720 her home every night she didn't show up at work, 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:04.560 and then he flashes her a picture of him and 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:07.440 Larissa looking like cozy, and she gives it up and goes, 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:09.760 I have a spare key for emergencies, so she gives 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:11.680 it to him. He opens the door, but the chain 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:14.960 is locked so he can't open the door all the way. 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:19.320 But he can see Larissa unconscious in a chair, wearing underwear, 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:21.960 her hair and pigtails, and a camcorder is set up, 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:25.680 so something bad is happening, so flat iron hair. 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:28.240 But I LIFs down the door that the old woman 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:31.400 isn't like with the guy. She's just like, all right, 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:35.280 proof enough here, you take the keys and have fun. Yeah, 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:36.040 like I. 0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:38.440 Would, I would help, but I would still try to 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:39.040 be involved. 0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:42.600 I think, Yeah, like my fingers on the nine one 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.280 one buttons on my phone. So Patrick breaks down the 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:49.359 door and then he sees like Lorissa's hands are bound, 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:52.240 her ankles are tied to the chair, and there are 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:54.119 a ton of white and blue pills all over the 0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:56.240 carpet in front of her. He's trying to wake her up. 0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:58.960 He's like, Lauris, wake up, wake up. And then suddenly 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:04.000 a huge in tidy whities hits the boyfriend Patrick with 0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:08.080 a camera tripod. He's also wearing a terrifying clear face 0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:12.760 mask and growling getaway from Brandy. So that's a nightmare. 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:16.439 That's truly nightmare fuel come to life. Patrick fights with 0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:20.600 this guy while the camera goes over to Larissa slash Brandy, 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:22.359 and we are seeing now that she is played by 0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:25.119 Taron Manning, who you probably know from Orange is the 0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:28.399 New Black, where she was Tiffany Pens a tucky Doggett 0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:33.120 or Crossroads, Hustle and Flow. She's been acting for many, 0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:35.600 many years, and she is also a singer, which I 0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:39.120 didn't know anyway. These two dudes are fighting it out 0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:41.720 and then Patrick lands on the ground, blood all over. 0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:45.840 Sorry, he has no shot. Yeah, the boy man Barry, 0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:47.000 he's the big guy. 0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:50.240 The man is very large, and then they zoom in 0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:53.800 on Larissa's underwear and they're like little girl style briefs, 0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:57.840 Like these are not adult underwear. They're little girl style 0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:01.000 briefs that have brandy like embroidered on them with flowers. 0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:01.960 It's very creepy. 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:04.359 We cut to a hospital walk and talk where Benson 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:07.040 and Stabler are getting the scoop from a doctor. Patrick 0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:10.359 has a scalp laceration, but he's coherent. As for the girl, 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:14.320 her name is Larissa Welsh. She is unconscious, not beaten, 0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:17.440 but she's overdosed on rhypnom so she wasn't part of 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:17.760 the fight. 0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:19.480 She just had a roofy overdose. 0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:22.800 He also found vaginal scarring, but no signs of sexual 0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:26.880 assault or seamen, Like I guess immediate sexual assault. And 0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:30.520 she has bandages all over her arms and they're like, oh, 0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:34.160 sexual torture because she came in with a dozen fresh 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.320 razor cuts and they're like, oh, is it sexual torture? 0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:39.040 And they're like, no, her attacker shaved her from the 0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:42.280 neck down, so her attacker just doesn't know how to 0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:45.600 work a razor without cutting, and so horrific. 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:48.840 What's going on? Credits dun dum okay. 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:52.080 So, now Benson and Stabler are talking to Patrick, who's, 0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:55.200 you know, trying to combat what Lisa just said. 0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:56.880 And he's like, I could have taken him. 0:25:56.880 --> 0:25:59.199 I have three older brothers, like or whatever, but he 0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:02.119 obviously couldn't. And he and Larissa have been dating for 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:04.040 six months, he said, but they've known each other for 0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:05.800 two years. That's how long it took her to open 0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:08.720 herself up to a relationship. She was a foster kid. 0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:10.840 She doesn't like to talk about things that happened to her. 0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:14.280 And he's never seen that attacker before and he's like, 0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:16.320 I would have remembered a fat, sweaty creep. 0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:18.920 So he's not a fan of this guy. 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.400 Benson asks him about the Brandy underwear, and he does 0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:24.880 not know who Brandy is, but he does remember Larissa 0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:28.760 telling him that she hates that name. So in the precinct, 0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:31.480 now Munch gives us an only in New York moment. 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:33.040 He goes, only in New York can you have no 0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:35.359 witnesses to a masked man running down the street in 0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:39.480 his tidy whities Curlassic Sure coffee table book of these 0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:42.399 only in New York? Munch quotes, they said, Okay, so 0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:44.240 they've hit a dead end on all the DNA from 0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:48.000 Patrick or Larissa's exams. They also found Rufie's and viagra 0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:50.960 at the scene. Finn lets us know that this isn't 0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:54.200 this guy's first crime, because there's an MO that matches 0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:56.040 the rape of two ten year old girls in New 0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:59.240 Jersey and Connecticut. Benson's never heard of a guy who 0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:02.480 attacks women and little girls, and Stabler's like, well, maybe 0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:05.919 that's why he shaved Larissa. So both the New Jersey 0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:08.240 and the Connecticut victims had long blonde hair, and the 0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:10.920 perp put them in pigtails, and he called them both brandy. 0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:14.120 So that is a very specific am. So now we're 0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:16.879 in Montclair, New Jersey, home of Stephen Colbert and my 0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:20.399 old boss, and Finn is talking to one of the 0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:22.359 little girls and she says she doesn't know why the 0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:24.879 guy called her Brandy because her name is Kelly. And 0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:27.480 she says, you know, this is a fat phobic episode 0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:28.960 for these a lot of these characters. 0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:30.000 She goes, he was gross and. 0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:32.679 Fat, she says, and made her do her hair like 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:35.080 the girl in the picture, a girl named Brandy. And 0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:37.760 then she pointed to her shoulder and says even here 0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:41.080 and explains that Brandy had a birthmark, so he drew 0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:43.120 one on her and then he heard her. 0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:44.720 She says, cut to. 0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:48.960 The other victim, the Connecticut victim, I'm assuming Paula, She 0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:51.600 says to Stabler, the guy hurt me very badly, but 0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:54.120 I can't say anything else. And this little girl's name 0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:56.760 is Paula and she is played by none other than 0:27:57.200 --> 0:28:05.160 Sabrina Carpenter's So sick and Taylor's era's opener catch that 0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:10.080 at all? Are but you even told me that? And 0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:10.919 I didn't catch it. 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:12.679 But I didn't remember who she was. 0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:14.399 I was like, she's in this episode, but I forgot 0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:20.200 who she was and my face, Yeah, she's cute and 0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:21.760 she's amazing. 0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:23.320 I'm like obsessed with her. 0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:25.520 I do want to know if their relationship is real 0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:28.760 or not, because it is a great attend It's like. 0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:31.760 It's a good attention thing. He's not that attractive to me, 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:33.440 but like maybe he's really cool. 0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:37.280 Yeah, I mean, who knows my thing is? I mean 0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:42.000 she's very young. But it's strange because I don't want children. 0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:44.720 So if I were to date someone with a kid, 0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:47.560 that's not for I don't want that. But then if 0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:49.240 they were down to date. Even if they a kid, 0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:52.440 I'd be grossed out that they're a bad parent, you 0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:54.000 know what I mean? Like he has a kid with 0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:56.080 his ex and he left her. It was one of 0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:58.080 those like Oh I'm famous now, so I'm gonna piece 0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:02.280 out bye. So he and so in my head it's like, oh, 0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:04.040 you're at Coachell, You're in all these places. 0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:08.280 Where is your kid? Are you a bad father? Well 0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:11.720 with the mom, I'm assuming right, sure, but where is 0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:12.400 your kid? Bro? 0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:15.720 Like where you're just running around at the met Like 0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:18.160 where are you? And so to me it's like, well 0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:20.160 she is twenty five, Like who gives a shit? You're 0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:23.520 you know, you're like whatever, let's party, you're hot, you're 0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:24.360 obsessed with me. 0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:27.200 But in my head, I'm like, where's your kid? Bro? 0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:28.760 Say what Jermal? 0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:30.640 And why all these guys, all these guys that get 0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:34.120 famous they split up and then it's like your your 0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:35.040 career blew up? 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:37.720 The SpongeBob dude, where where's your kid? 0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:37.920 Bro? 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.360 Yeah? Like these girls date these dudes and it's fine. 0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:44.200 I'm sure they're getting all this attention because they're famous 0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:46.200 pop stars that are so hot and cool, but like, 0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:48.320 is she like oh yeah, fuck your wife and that 0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:49.080 kid ill? 0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:51.560 Or is she like why or are they hang out 0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:52.040 with the kid? 0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:54.440 Or is he like, I'm actually gone four days a week, 0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:56.160 I can only see you these three days, Like I 0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:57.040 just some curious. 0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:58.680 Yeah, it's like none of my business. 0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:01.240 Sick was like dating one of the Rena girls, or 0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:03.840 when like he is dating Sophia Richie. Are they ever 0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:06.479 like Wow, where are your three kids? Like are they 0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:08.840 like with Courtney? Like you know, I don't know? 0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:11.840 Yeah, I I that is something that's in the back 0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:16.000 of my mind with these guys that leave their partners 0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:21.680 and baby children to date up or whatnot, and in her. 0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:24.720 In many cases date very down wi. 0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:28.800 Yeah, because in her song she goes, I'm glad your 0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:30.040 ex didn't do it for you. 0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:33.960 Too bad you X did do? I like that song 0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:35.800 a lot. I love that song. It's the song of 0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:36.920 the summer. Everyone loves it. 0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:39.520 It's finally it was it attacked me this week, Like 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.520 I was actually kind of fine not being obsessed, but 0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:43.480 now I'm fully obsessed. 0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:47.000 But I just am curious, are you. 0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:49.800 I would be unattra I would be less attracted to 0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:52.840 someone who's a bad parent, But overall, I don't want 0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:54.400 a child anywhere near me in my. 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:55.000 Life, so. 0:30:57.000 --> 0:31:00.880 So that's not an issue for me, but it's just 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:01.640 something I think about. 0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:07.960 Yeah, interesting, interesting, Well let me know what you guys think. Yeah, 0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:11.840 weigh in the little Paula. 0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:15.160 She's like, like the first girl's obviously scared, but Paula 0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:18.040 is like very terrified, and well reminds. 0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:21.080 Me of the interrogations of like the honey. 0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:23.960 Stick episode you remember. 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:27.240 I just sad when these little girls have to recall 0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:29.920 what happened to them. It is one of the tougher 0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:33.360 parts of SBU is like watching little kids have to 0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:34.440 explain what happened to them. 0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:34.840 I don't like. 0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:39.400 Yeah, well, and luckily most of them are going to 0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:42.080 become huge pop stars and nothing hopefully happened to them 0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:48.560 for real. So she's like, I can't tell you anything else, 0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:51.080 and Stabler's like, well, you know, you could really help 0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:53.800 me to stop this guy from hurting other girls, and 0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:56.280 you can talk to me. And then she goes, are 0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:59.320 you testing me? And he's like, what are you talking about? 0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:02.240 And she goes, well, he said people would test me 0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:04.240 to try to trick me into telling, and that he 0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:08.040 would hurt me and my dad and stablers, like he 0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:10.840 only said that to scare you, and Elliott promises to 0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:13.680 protect her if she spills, and she's like, well, what 0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:16.560 about the letter? And then she goes and gets this 0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:19.000 letter and she said she found it under her pillow 0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:22.239 and she said, quote unquote they put it there. And 0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:26.080 he's like who, and she says Coventry. And in the 0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:28.920 letter in the envelope is a photograph of a hand 0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:32.040 holding up a huge coin with a heart within a 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:35.880 heart on it that says Coventry and then in written 0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:38.479 and sharpie on the bottom of it says we're watching you, Paula. 0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:43.560 So this is very reminiscent of the Colleen stan episode 0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:48.920 where they people are using or even the abducted in 0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:53.240 plain sight, where they tell young people or victims that 0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.880 they're being followed by this huge organization that's watching them 0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:58.640 and is going to hurt them, and it's like this 0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:02.440 conspiracy and it's a full it's just like a full 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:06.360 intimidation tactic. It's not true, of course, So we cut 0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:10.280 to Huang on the case analyzing the photo, explaining that 0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:13.680 the hearts have been identified by the FBI as underground 0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:17.520 pedophile trading symbols. He's seen them on coins, rings, necklaces, 0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:19.960 but he's never seen them used as an intimidation tactic. 0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:22.560 And then he pulls up a few other pedo related 0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:25.280 symbols and definitely something to check out before you get 0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:27.960 that tattoo. But I looked him up as well, and 0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:29.880 it wasn't just for this episode. It's a real thing. 0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:34.000 A triangle within a triangle is boy lovers, a heart 0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:37.880 within a heart means girl lovers. And then butterflies, Like, 0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:40.160 there's a butterfly that has kind of wings that look 0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:43.400 like hearts indicate just general child lovers that don't have 0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:44.360 a gender preference. 0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:46.520 And I was like, oh no, that kind. 0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:49.000 Of looks like the symbol at Dollywood because it is butterflies. 0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:51.920 But we can move on. That's not real. 0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:54.760 So the rapist might be part of a ring, but 0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:58.200 either way, he's fixated on Larissa. But he needed viagra 0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:02.160 because she's an adult woo and not a child, So 0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:04.200 what is comed So don't do it? 0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:05.840 How about that? How about you don't know it? 0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:08.880 Then if your body's telling you no, the answer is no, 0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:10.160 why are you're. 0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:12.600 Taking viagra to fucking assault people? You sick? 0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:12.879 Yeah? 0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:14.879 Yeah? Ugh? 0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:19.600 This guy really is so so sick. So what is Coventry? 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:23.040 According to Munch, they're the boogeyman. They use the name 0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:26.319 to scare their victims, a lot of pedophiles. So then 0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:29.439 they watch this very disturbing video where a guy calls 0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:32.239 a little girl Brandy, and he has his voice disguised, 0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:34.440 and he demands that she take off her clothes or 0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:38.200 Coventry will kill her in her entire family. And Elliott 0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:41.000 pauses the video on this girl and notices that she 0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:44.719 has the same star shaped birthmark that Larissa has. So 0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:48.399 apparently Brandy was the most popular of all of these 0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:51.880 Coventry videos because of her star shaped birthmark. It like 0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:56.040 made her special or something for these pedos. So some 0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:58.440 baby CSU tech shows up and says that he was 0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:01.799 able to zoom in on the photo that Paula gave 0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:06.120 them because he's holding it like with his fingertips open 0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:09.400 and he's able to zoom in and get a print 0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:12.040 off of the photo, which is wild. And this is 0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:16.759 actually CSU technician Adrian Sung played by James Chen. He's 0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:20.160 appeared in seven episodes in seasons twelve and thirteen as 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:22.120 a CSU tech, but I don't think they ever give 0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:23.920 him anything juicy, like they've done with some of our 0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:27.520 other CSU boys or girls. The fingerprint matches to a 0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:32.040 guy named Eldon Baylog, which is a man with unfortunate 0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:35.080 facial hair you can see from his mugshot. He did 0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:37.520 time in O six for lude and lacibus acts with 0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:40.040 a child and he lives in Park Slope. So the 0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:43.520 next thing we know, the gang is busting whoop whoop. 0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:46.200 Next thing we know, the gang is busting into this 0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:49.080 guy's apartment, weapons drawn. He doesn't seem to be there, 0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:51.880 but there is a like literally this guy was like, 0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.680 I'm just gonna leave all the evidence lying around in 0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:57.520 case anyone pops by, Like they get there, there's a 0:35:57.560 --> 0:36:01.359 freeze frame of him like about to attack Larissa up 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:02.239 on his cam quarder. 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:05.480 Because I doubt he thinks he's done anything wrong. That's 0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:09.400 my thing. He's like, oh yeah, you know this is normal. 0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:12.439 Yeah yeah, this guy, what did I keep everything around 0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:13.719 and look at all the time. I mean, he is 0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:16.919 I fucking hate him, but he's popular act. 0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:19.120 But he also like he also wears a mask. 0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:21.480 It's like you kind of know in some way that 0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:24.200 you're not doing the right, that you're like I don't know. 0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:26.640 But this guy also seems like he has like some 0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:29.239 kind of low IQ or something like that. 0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:34.080 I'm going through his IMDb because he is so familiar 0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:34.360 to me. 0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:35.200 I mean he's buzz. 0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:38.319 He's buzz, but I wouldn't know him from that, Like 0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:40.440 his adult face looks so familiar. 0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:43.200 But I'm looking through it and I'm like, I don't 0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:44.680 he works a lot? 0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:47.440 Like, wait, he was in Louis No, he's like in 0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:50.000 a few He's Oh he was in girls but party guest. 0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:52.680 There's no way I would remember. Yeah, how do I 0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:55.680 know him? Just? Maybe it is just from home alone? 0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:59.400 Yeah, buzz from home alone and the next home, the 0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:03.840 second home alone. The actor's name is Devin Rotree or Ratrey, 0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.520 and he is working, I mean he is still working, 0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:07.880 does work. 0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:08.880 He's booked and blast baby. 0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:13.040 So all this shits up, and uh, there's like, yeah, 0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:15.800 freeze frame of Larissa from like the moment before Patrick 0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:18.759 at like interrupted and what he's like about to attack her. 0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:22.319 Sabler finds a pillowcase on the couch, spills it out. 0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:25.520 It's filled with VHS tapes and photos. They hear a 0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:29.480 beeping and they see that he's left his email account 0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:32.359 open and that he's just sending himself photos and they 0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:35.319 open one and it's Larissa in her hospital bed. 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:38.920 Fuck. This guy is at the hospital like horrific. 0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:42.200 So they call Live and now we see Live dashing 0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:44.439 into Larissa's room, but she's gone, and a nurse shows 0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:46.080 up and goes, what are you doing? And Orderly took 0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:49.000 her for testing twenty minutes ago, and the nurse IDs 0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:51.680 eld m baylog from a photo as the Orderly, So 0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:55.239 now Live has them lock this fucking hospital down Elliot's back. 0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:58.640 Now they're checking every floor looking for Larissa. Elliott finds 0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:01.120 a locked room and has to security open it. He 0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:03.719 walks in to find Larissa unconscious on a bed and 0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:07.000 this nasty psycho zipping up his fly and he goes, 0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:09.600 it's okay, I was just taking her temperature. 0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:13.200 And kill him. I want to kill him. Stabler flies 0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:16.000 at this Jude like the Stabler goes. 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:19.200 Like forward like a bullet, slams this guy into a 0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:21.759 roll of locker, a row of lockers, and then just 0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:24.920 proceeds to beat the shit out of him. Finn has 0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:27.440 to pull him off and lives just like the son 0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:29.399 of a bitch attacked her again and then the dude 0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:32.960 is sitting there smiling like an idiot, so you can't 0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:36.320 tell whether he's like pure evil or just like not 0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:39.600 all the marbles are upstairs, So top of BC two, 0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:43.040 Larissa is finally awake, and she is not happy. 0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:44.240 She's like, how. 0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:46.680 Could this happen after everything I've been through? Like what 0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:48.960 the fuck? And she's about to walk out. She's like, 0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:51.400 this hospital, let me get raped, like a second time, 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.200 and Benson begs her to stay and is like, please 0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:55.440 let the doctors keep an eye on it. 0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:57.000 I love this your notes. 0:38:57.120 --> 0:38:59.680 I love the Larissa is finally awake and she is 0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:01.000 not happy. 0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:03.879 Because it's been a. 0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:06.279 Full act and we haven't seen Taren Manning say one 0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:09.000 word yet, like and now she's up dressed. 0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:13.759 And pissed, and she's like, lives, like, let's stay here. 0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:15.440 Let the doctors keep an eye on her, on you, 0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:17.760 And she's like, oh, because they're doing such a great job, 0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:20.799 like they just fucking let my attacker walk me out 0:39:20.800 --> 0:39:23.799 of here, and she wants to know what the hell 0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:25.960 Benson even wants out of all of this, and she's like, 0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:28.200 I just want to tell you that we caught him 0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:31.480 and he's never gonna hurt you again. So she calms 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:34.239 down for a second and asks Olivia, like, did he 0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:34.920 take pictures? 0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:36.080 Right before I passed out? 0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:37.920 He told me he was going to take pictures, and 0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:40.480 I was wondering if he took pictures, and she goes, no, 0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:43.839 he took a video, and Larissa goes not again. So 0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:46.200 Live starts putting the pieces together and goes, so, this 0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:49.120 happened when you were a child, you were brandy, and 0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:51.319 she says, yeah, and I always will be, like I 0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:53.200 can feel when I'm on the street, when I'm in 0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:56.080 the subway, men are staring at me. It's because they 0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:58.560 recognize me from these movies, and they're perverts and they 0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:01.160 have a very specific look in their e and she says, 0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:03.160 they'll never leave me alone. And she's like, I wish 0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:06.520 she would have just killed me. And it's horrible. It 0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:08.560 reminds me a little bit of the Megan Faye episode. 0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:13.719 Also this whole time terrible. Yeah, So the guy who attacked. 0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:17.520 Larissa, so our good friend, Meghan Fahey, just our friend 0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:18.040 of the pod. 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:22.920 So don't worry, we are still humble, wet. We did 0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:25.560 not get Taren Manning. So if that was something you 0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:28.160 were hoping for listening that that. 0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:29.240 Was not happening. 0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:33.000 It's not happening, but you know, we'll always have Meghan 0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:34.080 fay Hey in our hearts. 0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:36.000 Of course. Of course. 0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:39.719 So she says that the guy who attacked her is 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:42.000 not the guy who attacked her as a child. She's like, 0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:46.600 this last guy followed me home, broke in. I screamed, 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:49.080 he shoved pills down my throat, and as she was 0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:52.520 passing out, she remembers him saying, this is the happiest 0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:53.320 day of my life. 0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:58.399 So fucked up. So cut to him saying these words too. 0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:00.640 He's going, this is the happiest day of He's finishing 0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:03.880 the sentence and me realizing that it is buzz from 0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:06.360 home alone, like I hadn't noticed until just this moment. 0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:09.600 And he tells the detectives he's been looking for Brandy 0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:12.880 for years. He starts telling Stabler that after he shaved her, 0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:15.759 if he squinted his eyes, she looked like she was little. Again, like, 0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:18.919 it's so casey. He's making a disgusted face. Yeah, yeah, 0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:21.600 he does not like, yeah, he's grinning because he's like 0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:22.319 reliving it. 0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:24.840 And then they show him pictures of Kelly and Paula. 0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.719 The ten year olds and he goes aw and they're like, 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:29.719 these are the two girls you raped and he goes, 0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:30.439 it wasn't rape. 0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:31.600 They played Brandy for me. 0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:33.759 So this is when you start to realize this guy 0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:37.239 has no concept like he is a a pedophile, but 0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:41.080 he's on like another plane of understanding how the law 0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:44.200 or society works, like he doesn't get it. And then 0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:47.440 he admits to selling to sending Paula the letter about Coventry. 0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:49.880 He says, what I did with them was natural. 0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:53.160 His love for Brandy is pure and honest, as real 0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:55.080 as the love you feel for your wife. And it's 0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:57.439 like you do not talk to Stabler about his wife 0:41:57.480 --> 0:41:59.799 and equate his love for his wife with the love 0:41:59.800 --> 0:42:00.080 of a. 0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:01.280 Pedophile on a child. 0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:03.840 And he is trying so hard not to bash this 0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:06.680 man's face in like that is what Christopher Maloney is 0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:09.239 so good at, like just showing so much rage and 0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:13.000 kind of like trying to stay calm, and Stabler tells him, 0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:15.839 you're insane, and he goes, no, no, just jealous, and 0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:18.080 he goes, I was jealous of the old man, and 0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:20.200 he goes, I never meant to murder him. Another reason, 0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:23.239 Like this guy is just off his Rocker. He's just 0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:26.400 like confessing to murder, saying rape isn't rape, Like what's 0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:27.160 happening with him? 0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:31.279 Eldon says that the old man is named Underwood. 0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:33.160 And he met him online and he knew Brandy as 0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:36.359 a child, this guy Underwood, and he just wanted him 0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:41.040 to give up Brandy's real name. So at Orville Underwood's 0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:45.040 home on Grove Street, Benson, which is in the West Village, 0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:49.200 Benson and Stabler find signs of a struggle and blood, 0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:54.680 and then they find a man alive but bloody, wearing 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:58.280 silk pajamas. I'm just like confused about the timeline because 0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:01.240 if this guy beat up this man, then he went 0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:05.120 to Larissa's house, tied her up, did all this stuff, 0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:06.960 drugged her, then her boyfriend got home. 0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:08.160 All this, she went to the hospital. 0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:10.520 Then he went back to the hospital, kidnapped her, assaulted 0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:12.400 her again. In all this time, this old man's just 0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:13.879 been sitting here bleeding and not dead. 0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:15.959 I thought, Okay, so I think it's one of those 0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:19.000 like one hundred and twenty seven hours, but instead of 0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:21.080 a limb rockets, you know. 0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:23.600 An old man bleeding with a head wound. 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:29.759 Yes, okay, So he goes it's always this way ever 0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:31.839 since they accused me of raping that girl. 0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:33.600 So he's trying to play like little old man. 0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:35.640 And his bed has a pillow on it that's missing 0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:38.680 a pillowcase, and the other pillowcases matched the one that 0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:43.040 Stabler dumped out at Elden's place. So Underwood said he 0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:45.800 only gave Eldon Larissa's real name because he threatened to 0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:49.800 kill him. So liv realizes that this old pervert Underwood 0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:53.360 is the one who turned Larissa into Brandy. And Underwood 0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:55.520 is played by an actor named David Patrick Kelly who 0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:58.640 has been acting for decades. He was in He's also 0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:02.239 been on Regular Order and Criminal Intent, plus Twin Peaks. 0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:04.200 He was a character, He's been on Gossip Girl. He's 0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:05.600 been in a lot of Spike Lee movies. 0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:10.000 So booked. David Patrick Kelly's also the one in The 0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:14.640 Warriors who is like Warriors come out to play a favorite? 0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:16.360 Saw that movie? Oh? I never seen that? 0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:17.840 But can we keep that in because I like you 0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:23.759 doing the imitation. Sure, okay, Casey stop coming for me. 0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:26.839 I'm the imitator on this podcast, but I've never seen 0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:32.520 that movie. So we cut to Larissa telling Live about 0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:35.080 her abduction. She when she was a child, she was like, 0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:36.960 I was playing hide and go seek with my friends. 0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:40.880 I hid behind a car. This guy grabbed me, drugged like, 0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:43.279 pushed me in his car, drugged me. And then she 0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:45.879 said Underwood drugged her every day, made her do these 0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:49.239 movies and lives like where were your foster parents? And 0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:51.960 then Finn has the scoop back at the station. Edward 0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:54.680 and Roberta Parker had seven other foster kids at their 0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:58.799 home and so they never reported Larissa missing. And you know, 0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:01.200 it's like we always say, you just don't need that 0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:02.360 many foster kids. 0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:03.720 You just don't need If. 0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:05.480 You're not going to report one of them missing when 0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:09.640 they go missing, just don't. She was ten years old. 0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:11.920 It wasn't like she ran off with a boyfriend to 0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:14.400 start a new life. You know, she's a little child. 0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:19.800 So we're cutting back and forth between lives convo with Larissa. 0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:22.800 So Larissa says, eventually Daniel saved her. He was a 0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:25.000 kid who was in captivity with her, was a little 0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:27.359 bit older and was forced to make movies with her. 0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:30.760 And then this one time Daniel distracted him. She jumped 0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:32.640 out of the window and ran and she doesn't know 0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:35.720 what happened to Daniel, So back to Finn and Stabler. 0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:38.600 Finn says no one could ever find Daniel. Larissa could 0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:42.360 only describe his smile. Six months after her escape, she 0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:44.319 ended up seeing a man in the park with a 0:45:44.360 --> 0:45:48.480 cat belt buckle, a distinctive belt buckle, and she started screaming. 0:45:48.560 --> 0:45:49.239 The cops came. 0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:52.360 It was Underwood, and they arrested him, and he was 0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:55.359 charged with kidnapping Larissa in nineteen ninety five, plus rape 0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:59.600 and creating and distributing child sex abuse images. But Larissa 0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:01.680 said that he was the one that committed all these 0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:04.120 crimes against her, but she never saw his face, and 0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:06.880 the lack of physical evidence led the jury to acquit him. 0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:10.239 And it's like, you guys didn't find any videos, you 0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:13.440 didn't find any pictures. This guy like just had everything 0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:17.960 hidden anyway, Stabler points out that he can't be charged 0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:21.160 again because of Double Jeopardy. Live asks Larissa if there 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:23.520 were other girls, and she said, well, Daniel told me 0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:27.400 there were others, but they were targeted for termination by Coventry, 0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:31.760 So she's heard of this whole Coventry scam as well. 0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:35.480 After he was acquitted, Underwood became a lawyer fighting for 0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:39.080 the unjustly accused. He calls himself a civil rights attorney. 0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:42.160 Stabler's like, sure, Jan, but that pillowcase came from his 0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:45.080 house and the photos were in there, so they're his photos. 0:46:45.480 --> 0:46:48.280 And Munch comes in with some evidence that Underwood's DNA 0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:51.400 is all over these old photos. So now we're in 0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:55.719 the cement bars interrogation room where they tell Underwood that 0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:58.719 his DNA is like all over these pictures and he goes, 0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:02.719 my DNA and Stabler goes, correction, your dried semen, and 0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:04.640 Finn goes, you really should be more careful where you 0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:07.240 plant your seed. And this sky is gross. He's old, 0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:10.400 he's got a fucking oxygen tube under his nose, a 0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:13.040 bloody wound on his head, and he's like, I've never 0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:15.719 seen that photo before. And Stabler's like, we know you're old, 0:47:15.719 --> 0:47:18.480 but now you're blind. And he goes, it's not mine 0:47:18.719 --> 0:47:20.640 and they're like, well, then, how did your jiz. 0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:20.840 Get on it? 0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:24.440 And he goes, well, I was at Eldon's house. We 0:47:24.960 --> 0:47:28.279 were having drinks. This is literally this guy telling the 0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:31.360 story is like me telling the ra that busted me 0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:34.279 for having an ashtray full of cigarettes in college that 0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:36.880 I pick up the cigarette butts outside and bring them 0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:38.040 in and put them in the ash tray. 0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:40.880 Like just the most bizarre, like wild story. 0:47:40.920 --> 0:47:44.080 But you almost can't argue with it because I was 0:47:44.120 --> 0:47:45.960 saying it with such conviction because I lived in a 0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:48.280 non smoking dorm where I smoked a lot. 0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:51.680 So it's like, why says to think of you as 0:47:51.719 --> 0:47:54.120 a smoker? I know, isn't it? 0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:56.960 But like my friends from college will like always imitate 0:47:57.000 --> 0:47:58.400 me smoking in college. 0:47:58.640 --> 0:48:01.000 I guess I can see it. Yeah, I guess I 0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:02.640 can't see it, but I also can't see you. Like 0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:04.839 leaving a party to go smoke. 0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:07.919 I know, but I you know, I would mostly leave 0:48:07.960 --> 0:48:09.560 when other people were going. I'd be like, do we 0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:10.800 all go want to go smoke? Like it was like 0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:14.239 a fun social thing. So many people smoked. Yeah, but 0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:16.640 every don't do it everyone, Easy way to quit smoking. 0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:18.719 I'm always plugging that book. It's the best. It's a 0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:23.520 great book. I actually had. I felt really bad. 0:48:23.560 --> 0:48:25.799 Someone was talking to me and I ended up saying 0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:27.840 something about cigarettes, and they're like, why did you say that. 0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:29.520 I'm like, well, I could tell you smoked, and he's like, 0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:31.200 you can smell the cigarettes on me, and I was like, 0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:33.560 I can. I'm sorry I forgot that was good, but 0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:36.480 I do feel yeah, you just can. 0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:41.000 And it hurts my throat so much. I can't. 0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:44.520 I am not even tempted, even on full drugs and booze. 0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:48.120 Like I obviously I had my high school Newport phase. 0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:52.440 I obviously had my Marlboro light like clubbing things. I 0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:55.160 had my I do comedy camel light parliament, but I 0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:55.680 was never that. 0:48:55.719 --> 0:48:57.360 I just parliaments for mine. 0:48:58.360 --> 0:49:00.920 I just it's like sick to me. It's like I 0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:02.920 try to get addicted and put it not a. 0:49:02.880 --> 0:49:05.200 Breath and if I'm if I'm wasted, I'll be like, 0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:06.799 let me have a dress and I'll take one drag 0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:09.319 and be like why why did I think this was 0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:09.839 going to be good? 0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:12.080 Again? Like I hate it, Like but I loved it 0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:12.759 a lot of time. 0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:16.960 I know it's hard to imagine, but I mean, you know, 0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:19.760 my throat hurts now too, and I just keep it, yeah, 0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:20.760 plugging along. 0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:23.040 We all just keep moving. 0:49:23.800 --> 0:49:28.160 So this guy is truly weaving the most bizarre story. 0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:30.879 He says he's hanging out with this guy who attacked him. 0:49:31.080 --> 0:49:32.960 Is there any proof that you guys knew each other. 0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:36.160 Prior to the attack, he says, they were having a 0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:39.040 drink and then Elden got a phone call and Underwood 0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:41.960 got hit with a sudden urge to jerk off, and 0:49:42.000 --> 0:49:44.480 Stabler goes, so, you're just sitting there in another guy's 0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:46.560 house and suddenly you decide that it's time to peel 0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:49.560 the banana, which is not a phrase for jerking off. 0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:52.040 I'm sorry, I do not think that is a phrase 0:49:52.040 --> 0:49:54.160 for jerking off. I think that's actually kind of horrific 0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:56.120 if you have a penis to think about calling it that. 0:49:56.640 --> 0:49:59.759 And Underwood says, well, I went into the bathroom and 0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:02.640 there magazines and maybe that photo was in there, and 0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:03.959 my stuff landed on it. 0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:06.920 And it's like, what the fuck is this story? 0:50:07.560 --> 0:50:10.840 Sabler and Finn are obviously not buying this bullshit. 0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:13.879 Not to mention, there's kind of like an age thing. 0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:16.680 The photo is like an old photo of Brandy from 0:50:16.680 --> 0:50:18.520 when she was ten, and I bet you that guy 0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:23.240 Elden was like also ten like when that picture was taken, 0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:25.640 So where did he get that picture? You know? Like 0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:28.439 it's just if you were to present that to a jury, 0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:30.080 I feel like they would understand that it was this 0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:32.320 s guy's fucking picture and that this is a full lie. 0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:33.959 Sable and Finn. 0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:36.840 Also so many things that you're kind of like asking 0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:38.600 and hinting at. 0:50:38.520 --> 0:50:41.120 Do you have to do with the crime? Oh? 0:50:41.360 --> 0:50:43.880 Okay, okay, now, Like there are just certain things that 0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:48.880 you're saying where I'm like, yeah, okay, good because I 0:50:48.880 --> 0:50:51.200 don't even know these crimes, and I'm I'm you know, 0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:56.080 so Stable and Finn are not buying this guy's bullshit, 0:50:56.480 --> 0:50:58.960 and he goes, prove me wrong. You got twenty four 0:50:58.960 --> 0:51:01.040 hours from the moment of my rest to arraign me. 0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:02.920 And it's like, oh yeah, we forgot the pervert as 0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:06.040 a lawyer now, and Finn goes from kitty diddler to 0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:06.800 hump hustler. 0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:08.279 That's not much of an improvement. 0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:11.640 And I don't like either of those words, but I 0:51:11.640 --> 0:51:13.520 do like Finn trying to sock it to this guy. 0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:17.120 Underwood's like, well, you two can keep talking about my jizz, 0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:19.239 or you can go find that probable cause to hold me, 0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:21.400 because you've got twenty two hours and thirty eight minutes 0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:24.520 before I walk a freeman. And this guy is nasty, 0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:27.400 like there's something worse than these criminals that kind of 0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:30.160 like know the law a little bit and use it 0:51:30.200 --> 0:51:33.120 to like get around their crimes. So then the most 0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:36.160 forgettable da in s FE history, Jillian Hardwick opens the 0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:38.520 door to ask the detectives for a word. I don't 0:51:38.520 --> 0:51:40.279 know if we've ever talked about this before. Her name 0:51:40.320 --> 0:51:42.800 is Melissa Sage Miller. She appears to have quit acting 0:51:42.800 --> 0:51:45.080 a decade ago. Her last credit is from twenty fourteen, 0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:49.360 but she did come out as one of Harvey Weinstein's accusers. Wow, 0:51:49.840 --> 0:51:53.080 she said that Harvey Weinstein, you know, groped her, tried 0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:55.360 to kiss her, that whole thing. So she if you 0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:58.120 google her, there are a lot of articles of her 0:51:58.360 --> 0:51:59.680 explaining her experience with that. 0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:01.319 So I don't know what she's doing now. 0:52:01.320 --> 0:52:04.239 She's married to another actor and seems on Instagram they've 0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:05.920 got a happy life, but no more acting for her. 0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:10.120 So she tells them to cut the old pervert loose 0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:11.600 and that they don't have enough to hold him on. 0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:13.640 And he's a lawyer and he knows how to spin this, 0:52:13.760 --> 0:52:16.120 and Finn and Stabler just cannot believe that the Jiz 0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:20.840 photo is not enough, and she's like, she's like. Possession 0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:24.279 is defined as dominion and control. She says a fingerprint 0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:26.480 would prove it was in his hand. Finding it in 0:52:26.560 --> 0:52:29.080 his house would show it was under his control. Anything 0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:32.680 less than that is circumstantial. So Stabler goes, well, let's 0:52:32.680 --> 0:52:35.480 get Elden to testify that he found the pictures in 0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:37.840 the guy's home. And it's like, uh oh, Elden was 0:52:37.880 --> 0:52:41.560 beaten to death last night after bragging about raping Brandy 0:52:41.640 --> 0:52:45.360 and these two young girls. And it's like woof rip buzz. 0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:49.759 So they have to let Underwood go and everybody's pissed 0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:52.600 about it. So as he's walking out, he's trying to 0:52:52.640 --> 0:52:54.640 pull the old I told you so shit on Elliot, 0:52:54.640 --> 0:52:57.000 who threatens to strangle him with his own oxygen line 0:52:57.239 --> 0:52:59.719 and tells him he hopes he dies a slow, painful death. 0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:01.799 And as he goes to get into a cab, of 0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:06.520 course classic SVU coincidences, Larissa is getting out of the 0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:11.160 cab that he's hailing and he's like, oh wow, Brandy, 0:53:11.320 --> 0:53:13.839 how have you been. You're still a very beautiful girl, 0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:15.120 Like he's really sing. 0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:17.839 But you know, they do a lot of meetings by 0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:22.040 the elevators or entering and exiting the confession rooms. 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:23.600 This is a nice spin, you know. 0:53:23.640 --> 0:53:26.000 A little spin, Yeah, with the cab yep, yep, yep, 0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:31.520 and she feels sick, like she's traumatized, so visually like 0:53:31.600 --> 0:53:32.239 her trying I. 0:53:32.160 --> 0:53:36.120 Can't help the media finger what the fuck? 0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:39.480 Yeah, So Benson and stabl are like run up to 0:53:39.560 --> 0:53:41.880 him to get her away from, like shoe him away, 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:44.000 and she vomits all over. 0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:46.799 Stabler and that's the end of act two. Top of 0:53:46.840 --> 0:53:47.319 act three. 0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:49.560 She's like, sorry for barfing on you, and he's like, 0:53:49.640 --> 0:53:52.400 I needed to get my suit cleaned anyway, And she 0:53:52.520 --> 0:53:55.440 says she hadn't seen underwear. It would since the trial 0:53:55.560 --> 0:53:58.279 sixteen years ago, so you know, just getting out of 0:53:58.320 --> 0:54:00.319 a cab and seeing this man who did to you 0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:02.520 and you haven't seen him in a decade and a half. 0:54:03.080 --> 0:54:05.280 And they tell her that Elden was murdered in jail 0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:07.120 and can't hurt her anymore, and she's like, but what 0:54:07.160 --> 0:54:10.640 about Underwood, Like he's still out there, and they tell her, well, 0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:12.440 we're going to get him to We've got a warrant 0:54:12.480 --> 0:54:13.280 to search his place. 0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:15.640 They ask, but if you could help us. 0:54:15.560 --> 0:54:18.600 Track down Daniel, if we find him, he'd be a 0:54:18.640 --> 0:54:21.880 new accuser because they can't charge him again for Larissa 0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:25.399 without new evidence. I'm always confused by double jeopardy because 0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:29.160 sometimes you can do a new thing if it's new evidence. 0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:32.640 But I don't know. I guess that he'd be a 0:54:32.640 --> 0:54:33.240 new accuser. 0:54:33.280 --> 0:54:36.239 So Larissa is like, dude, do you realize I've spent 0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:38.640 my entire life trying to forget about this and now 0:54:38.640 --> 0:54:39.640 you want me to relive it. 0:54:39.680 --> 0:54:41.840 And they're like, not relive. 0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:47.120 Just remember It's like, okay, semantics, h something about Daniel, 0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:49.800 like anything, like where he came from in his life, 0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:52.600 like where he was, like before his abduction, like anything. 0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:55.120 She goes All I can remember is his smile the 0:54:55.200 --> 0:54:57.560 day that I got away. And so now. 0:54:57.600 --> 0:55:00.320 Huang is telling live about how everyone deals with in 0:55:00.360 --> 0:55:03.680 different ways, and she's built cognitive walls between her present 0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:06.160 and her painful past and lives like, okay, how do 0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:09.120 we break through those walls? Huang is like, well, hypnosis 0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:11.160 could work, but it gets pulled apart on the stand 0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:13.320 and she's like, well, we really only needed to find Daniel. 0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:14.640 It doesn't need to go on the stand. 0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:17.960 But then Huang has this realization where he's like, so 0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:20.719 these movies were made in the nineties, but they didn't 0:55:20.760 --> 0:55:23.279 hit the internet until two thousand and five, So at 0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:26.880 the trial in ninety six, the videos weren't even available 0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:30.759 yet he hadn't put them online, meaning it's possible that 0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:34.560 she's never seen these movies that she was forced to make. 0:55:34.719 --> 0:55:39.160 So this motherfucker does this videotapes it somehow gets acquitted 0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:41.719 and still cannot help but put the videos online in 0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:43.840 two thousand and five, ten years after he's acquitted. 0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:47.759 So disgusting. Anyway, Huang's like. 0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:50.279 It's possible that she's never seen these movies that she 0:55:50.400 --> 0:55:53.360 was forced to make, and that maybe showing them could 0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:57.359 trigger some memories and lips like if it doesn't destroy her, 0:55:57.800 --> 0:56:00.120 and Huang's like, it's as bad I like to take it. 0:56:00.760 --> 0:56:05.000 It's a terrible idea. Can you imagine, Like I wouldn't 0:56:05.000 --> 0:56:06.840 even want to watch a video of myself as a 0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:10.400 kid crying over a skinned knee that feels just like ugh, 0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:12.680 I don't want to go back and like relive pain 0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:16.400 from being a kid, and like ugh, just the videos 0:56:16.400 --> 0:56:18.080 are probably horrific in themselves. 0:56:18.560 --> 0:56:21.120 Obviously, yes, Olivia will. 0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:23.160 Stop at nothing for justice, so it is worth it 0:56:23.200 --> 0:56:24.919 to her and she is going to take the risk. 0:56:25.000 --> 0:56:27.880 And the next scene is Larissa watching the movies. She 0:56:28.000 --> 0:56:30.759 says she's willing to do it if it will get Underwood. 0:56:30.880 --> 0:56:34.160 So she points out Daniel in the video, and she 0:56:34.200 --> 0:56:37.080 doesn't remember this day specifically. She remembers a dress that 0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:39.520 she's wearing and that she hated it and stuff, and 0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:41.160 that he made her wear it. But she says that 0:56:41.239 --> 0:56:43.600 Underwood drugged her for that video the same way he 0:56:43.640 --> 0:56:45.719 did before any time they made a movie. And she 0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:49.640 remembers that there were these jars. He fed them like 0:56:49.800 --> 0:56:52.600 peanut butter, like nothing but peanut butter, and then Daniel 0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:55.680 would bury the jars in the backyard with notes to 0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:59.959 his parents in them, which is so sad. He called 0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:02.920 wishing jars and said, like, you know, if we prayed 0:57:02.960 --> 0:57:05.600 and made these wishing jars, maybe we'd be found. So 0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:08.480 she says that the bracelet they freeze frame on him, 0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:10.960 and the bracelet he's wearing in the video, it's like 0:57:11.000 --> 0:57:14.080 this little leather kind of like fisherman's bracelet that I 0:57:14.080 --> 0:57:15.359 feel like I used to have, like. 0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:16.280 One made out of rope. 0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:19.200 She goes, I was wearing that the day it escaped, 0:57:19.360 --> 0:57:22.000 and I buried it in a jar in the backyard 0:57:22.000 --> 0:57:25.120 of my Foster home. And she said I buried it, 0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:27.760 and I made a wish that Daniel would find me someday. 0:57:28.280 --> 0:57:30.080 So cut to a. 0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:33.240 Bunch of texts and Finn digging up a backyard while 0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:37.160 Munch complains about the cold, and they find something. Boom, 0:57:37.240 --> 0:57:40.040 it's a jar with the bracelet in it. So now 0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:42.600 at the lab, Adrian Sung is back and he's telling 0:57:42.680 --> 0:57:45.080 us how he found some partial DNA from the degraded 0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:48.280 bracelet and he's matched it to a kid named Daniel Brooks, 0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:50.200 missing since nineteen ninety five when he. 0:57:50.160 --> 0:57:51.040 Was twelve years old. 0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:53.720 Lucky that they had DNA on Daniel Brooks, because I 0:57:53.720 --> 0:57:56.240 wouldn't say ninety five. We were collecting DNA from every 0:57:56.280 --> 0:57:58.960 missing kid, which they probably got off like a toothbrush 0:57:59.040 --> 0:58:01.440 or a hair brush anyway. So they're like, well, if 0:58:01.440 --> 0:58:04.920 he didn't escape Underwood, Underwood probably killed him. But turns 0:58:04.920 --> 0:58:08.720 out he is alive, That DNA has popped for prostitution 0:58:08.920 --> 0:58:12.280 and shoplifting in the two thousands, and they say, now 0:58:12.320 --> 0:58:16.640 he owns an abandoned factory in Lower Manhattan. Curious, cut 0:58:16.720 --> 0:58:19.440 to the factory on thirteenth Street. Excuse me, a very 0:58:19.480 --> 0:58:21.760 expensive street to have an abandoned factory on. I can't 0:58:21.800 --> 0:58:25.040 imagine a single cross street where thirteenth Street is not nice, 0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:29.360 like you know, Elliott wants to know too. He's like, 0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:32.120 she's like, sure, this place is a dump, but like, 0:58:32.160 --> 0:58:34.920 how does a street can afford like a huge abandoned factory, 0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:37.000 Like you still have to pay for it. So then 0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:40.600 they notice a big covertry logo spray painted on one 0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:44.240 of the walls. Uh oh, looks like Daniel never left 0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:44.920 the business. 0:58:45.560 --> 0:58:48.120 So we see Daniel. We don't always. 0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:49.760 We don't always get this point of view in the 0:58:49.760 --> 0:58:52.680 show where like now we see Daniel watching the detectives 0:58:52.720 --> 0:58:55.640 on security cameras and he's like, let's go, and he 0:58:55.760 --> 0:58:58.000 grabs a little boy and heads upstairs and leaves this 0:58:58.000 --> 0:59:00.360 little girl like sitting on the bed. Like normally we 0:59:00.480 --> 0:59:02.880 get to the detectives finding the person, but this is 0:59:02.960 --> 0:59:06.200 like we're seeing this guy watch himself almost get caught 0:59:06.240 --> 0:59:08.439 and we've not met him yet really, So in Benson 0:59:08.480 --> 0:59:10.560 and Stabler get to the room, the little girl tells 0:59:10.600 --> 0:59:13.960 them Daniel took Michael away, so Stabler's in hot pursuit. 0:59:14.000 --> 0:59:19.000 They've gone, they've started heading upstairs. Daniel is telling this 0:59:19.120 --> 0:59:21.880 terrified little boy who asks it like is it Coventry 0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:23.320 And he's like yes, and they're gonna kill you if 0:59:23.360 --> 0:59:25.920 you don't do everything I say. So Stabler catches up 0:59:25.920 --> 0:59:28.440 to them, and Daniel now has Michael positioned over a 0:59:28.560 --> 0:59:31.760 railing that if he falls would send him multiple stories 0:59:31.800 --> 0:59:33.840 to his death or severe injury. 0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:34.800 Michael Jackson style. 0:59:35.120 --> 0:59:38.240 Yes, he's like holding him blanket style from Michael Jackson 0:59:38.280 --> 0:59:41.840 exactly and threatening to push him off if Stabler doesn't 0:59:41.880 --> 0:59:42.360 back off. 0:59:42.600 --> 0:59:42.920 Michael. 0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:45.480 The little boy is very scared. He's like oh, And 0:59:45.520 --> 0:59:48.600 then Stabler says, Daniel, I'm sorry. Nobody was there to 0:59:48.640 --> 0:59:50.360 save you, but now you have a choice. He's like, 0:59:50.400 --> 0:59:52.880 I've never had a choice. And Stabler's like, that boy's innocent, 0:59:53.080 --> 0:59:55.040 just like you were. You can take care of him, 0:59:55.080 --> 0:59:59.120 you can save him. And so Stabler finally gets through 0:59:59.120 --> 1:00:01.200 to him. Daniel puts the kid down. So now we're 1:00:01.200 --> 1:00:04.680 in interrogation and Daniel is sitting in very low light 1:00:04.760 --> 1:00:07.640 across from Olivia Benson and her beautiful hair, and he's like, 1:00:08.000 --> 1:00:09.960 what do you want from me? And she's like, well, sir, 1:00:10.040 --> 1:00:11.520 we have a lot of things we're gonna need to 1:00:11.520 --> 1:00:13.120 know from you. You did have two children in an 1:00:13.160 --> 1:00:18.240 abandoned warehouse with a fake pedophile ring symbol on it. 1:00:18.440 --> 1:00:21.160 So she goes, well, I want justice for the girl 1:00:21.200 --> 1:00:23.200 who played Brandy and he's playing dumb. He's like, I 1:00:23.240 --> 1:00:24.680 don't know what you're talking about. I don't know who 1:00:24.720 --> 1:00:27.160 Underwood is. YadA, YadA, YadA. They show him a picture 1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:29.640 of himself at age twelve, and he's like, I'm not 1:00:29.720 --> 1:00:31.920 that kid anymore. And they're explaining to him that he's 1:00:31.920 --> 1:00:34.600 obviously blocked out his trauma and he's like, I'm nothing 1:00:34.680 --> 1:00:40.280 now and you know, very very missy from why am 1:00:40.280 --> 1:00:43.320 I blanking damaged? Damaged? Yeah, Like you can't kill me. 1:00:43.320 --> 1:00:45.800 I'm already dead. They tell him he's a victim and 1:00:45.880 --> 1:00:48.560 he says I was a victim, but I'm not anymore. 1:00:48.880 --> 1:00:51.200 So done done. End of Act three. 1:00:51.280 --> 1:00:54.480 Now, Benson and Stabler are watching through the fish bowl 1:00:54.480 --> 1:00:57.400 glass and lives like, look, he adapted to survive after 1:00:57.440 --> 1:00:59.560 his abduction, and Stabler's like, I don't know. He made 1:00:59.560 --> 1:01:02.560 his own cho after he got away, and Huang's like, well, 1:01:02.600 --> 1:01:05.840 he's essentially been brainwashed. His whole worldview was altered after 1:01:05.920 --> 1:01:09.000 Underwood took him, and we've seen this before. Wang says 1:01:09.000 --> 1:01:11.800 his evolution from victim to victimizer could be his way 1:01:11.840 --> 1:01:13.480 of taking control of his fucked up life. 1:01:14.040 --> 1:01:15.920 And we see the little girl from the. 1:01:15.840 --> 1:01:19.040 Warehouse, Heather and Michael being walked into the precinct with 1:01:19.080 --> 1:01:22.360 some you know, loose adults, and Live says they're going 1:01:22.360 --> 1:01:24.320 to need a lot of help, and Huang's like, yeah, 1:01:24.320 --> 1:01:26.400 with a lot of therapy, they have a chance. And 1:01:26.480 --> 1:01:30.520 so they're worried that without Daniel they can't get Underwood, 1:01:30.520 --> 1:01:32.840 but Finn arrives with some good news. During a search 1:01:32.880 --> 1:01:35.200 of Underwood's house, they found a panel in a wall 1:01:35.280 --> 1:01:37.560 leading to a whole bunch of stuff that they think 1:01:37.600 --> 1:01:40.960 will incriminate him. But they aren't videos, they're books. One 1:01:41.040 --> 1:01:43.680 is called The Beauty of a Child's Love by O 1:01:44.000 --> 1:01:48.640 You which Orville Underwood. Another is called Chasing Brandy colon 1:01:48.800 --> 1:01:50.880 How I Found Brandy and how you Can too. 1:01:51.240 --> 1:01:54.440 Ooh after the trial, I always hate when the books 1:01:54.480 --> 1:01:56.600 go to trial. You know, it's never going to be 1:01:56.640 --> 1:01:59.840 a good case. Yes, when you're going for the books, 1:02:00.120 --> 1:02:01.080 you got no evidence. 1:02:01.440 --> 1:02:05.280 Yeah, it's really fucked so yeah, because what was the 1:02:05.320 --> 1:02:08.440 other one where there was like a brochure of like 1:02:08.520 --> 1:02:09.840 how we covered this one? 1:02:09.920 --> 1:02:12.120 But It's like there's a brochure of exactly how. 1:02:11.960 --> 1:02:14.520 To get this, and they keep emailing it to the guy, 1:02:14.600 --> 1:02:16.840 even though he keeps unsubscribing, unsubscribing. 1:02:17.080 --> 1:02:19.320 Oh, I remember that one. 1:02:19.400 --> 1:02:24.200 But also in the the titty cut Off and he 1:02:24.280 --> 1:02:28.880 becomes famous with uh Katie Perry's best friend. Yes, Shannon 1:02:28.880 --> 1:02:32.160 Woodward that one, I feel like his comic books. But 1:02:32.280 --> 1:02:37.000 which one kept sending the pedophile stuff, I don't know. 1:02:37.280 --> 1:02:39.080 I can't remember. We covered it. 1:02:39.120 --> 1:02:40.800 We covered it because he's like working at an ad 1:02:40.840 --> 1:02:42.560 agency and we were like, how did he get this? 1:02:42.920 --> 1:02:47.480 Like you know, But after the trial, they say Underwood 1:02:47.520 --> 1:02:50.320 put these videos online, but since he couldn't risk making 1:02:50.360 --> 1:02:54.000 any more movies, he started writing quote unquote kitty porn novels. 1:02:54.040 --> 1:02:57.120 That's what they're calling it. Another one of. 1:02:57.080 --> 1:03:00.480 These books, Live says, is how to for pedophiles, basically 1:03:00.520 --> 1:03:04.400 just like writing instruction manuals. And Finn says, this is 1:03:04.440 --> 1:03:06.600 the one moment where I disagree with the First Amendment. 1:03:06.640 --> 1:03:09.680 This stuff should be banned, and Stabler says it's perverts 1:03:09.720 --> 1:03:13.320 hiding behind free speech and calling it literature. Without pictures, 1:03:13.400 --> 1:03:16.200 there's nothing they can get this guy on. So Olivia 1:03:16.480 --> 1:03:19.080 reads from the How to Get a Brandy book, and 1:03:19.120 --> 1:03:23.320 it's basically instructions that Elden followed exactly to attack Larissa. 1:03:23.840 --> 1:03:26.800 She thinks Hardwick can use this to get Underwood. So 1:03:26.960 --> 1:03:29.320 we cut to court where Underwood is arguing that, you know, 1:03:29.360 --> 1:03:32.560 he's obviously representing himself, he's a civil rights attorney. He's like, 1:03:32.640 --> 1:03:36.600 this is all fiction. There's nary a picture or a drawing, 1:03:36.720 --> 1:03:40.440 and it's all covered in the First Amendment. Hardwick argues 1:03:40.480 --> 1:03:42.200 that this is a how to manual and they found 1:03:42.240 --> 1:03:45.520 a copy of it downloaded at Elden's home, and unfortunately 1:03:45.600 --> 1:03:49.200 he can't testify on account of being murdered. And it's 1:03:49.240 --> 1:03:51.120 like it shows how you should dress her, how you 1:03:51.120 --> 1:03:54.240 should drug her. And he's arguing, nothing in the book 1:03:54.480 --> 1:03:56.600 tells this man to do anything specifically. 1:03:56.680 --> 1:03:58.560 He's like, is his name written in the book? 1:03:58.760 --> 1:04:01.640 And also the girl name is Brandy and this girl's 1:04:01.680 --> 1:04:04.280 name is Larissa, so your theory falls apart. It's like, 1:04:04.320 --> 1:04:06.600 what a psycho. It's like, you know, you renamed her, 1:04:06.640 --> 1:04:10.720 like you're disgusting. Hardwick thinks a jury will make the connection. 1:04:10.960 --> 1:04:14.280 Underwood argues that conspiracy has to involve two people agreeing 1:04:14.320 --> 1:04:16.760 to commit a crime unless she's a mind reader. 1:04:16.840 --> 1:04:18.280 She's talking out of her ass. 1:04:18.280 --> 1:04:21.040 That's what he says in court, and the judge doesn't 1:04:21.080 --> 1:04:24.560 like that, and Hardwick goes, whatever, I can hate handle 1:04:24.600 --> 1:04:26.840 anything this toad throws at me. And then the judge 1:04:26.880 --> 1:04:29.120 tells them both to shut up. He's like, I want 1:04:29.160 --> 1:04:31.920 fifteen minutes to examine the facts, and Larissa is in 1:04:31.960 --> 1:04:34.640 the courtroom when they come back from the recess. The 1:04:34.720 --> 1:04:37.640 judge unfortunately says that even though this kind of case 1:04:37.640 --> 1:04:40.920 makes him want to retire and he finds this writing 1:04:41.000 --> 1:04:43.640 to be disgusting, he has to dismiss the case because 1:04:43.640 --> 1:04:46.520 the argument for conspiracy does not hold up. And the 1:04:46.560 --> 1:04:50.600 pedophile looks very smug. He says goodbye, ladies, as always, 1:04:50.640 --> 1:04:54.000 to Larissa and to Hardwick as he walks out. Larissa 1:04:54.040 --> 1:04:57.080 begs Hardwick to figure this out. We have to get 1:04:57.160 --> 1:05:00.400 Daniel to testify. Hardwick's like, he won't. He's not the 1:05:00.400 --> 1:05:03.000 same person you knew, and she goes, let me talk 1:05:03.000 --> 1:05:05.360 to him. I can get through to him. So now 1:05:05.400 --> 1:05:09.120 at Riker's, Larissa and Hardwick are waiting for Daniel. As 1:05:09.120 --> 1:05:11.920 he's led into the room, she says, Hi, Hi, Daniel. 1:05:11.960 --> 1:05:15.320 He doesn't respond. She asks him what happened, like, how 1:05:15.320 --> 1:05:16.960 could you grow up to be like them? You were 1:05:16.960 --> 1:05:20.000 my savior and he's like, you never came back for me. 1:05:20.600 --> 1:05:23.280 She's like, I tried, and he's like, not hard enough. 1:05:24.280 --> 1:05:27.560 I find it hard to believe that the cops wouldn't 1:05:27.560 --> 1:05:30.160 have like gone looking for a guy named Daniel after 1:05:30.240 --> 1:05:32.960 she got out of after she went to trial. But 1:05:33.120 --> 1:05:35.200 I don't know. That's a little hole that maybe whatever. 1:05:35.840 --> 1:05:37.880 So she goes, so you want to hurt more children, 1:05:38.040 --> 1:05:40.400 like for payback, and he goes, no, I love all 1:05:40.440 --> 1:05:43.240 my kids. She goes, you're forcing them to make movies, 1:05:43.280 --> 1:05:45.360 and he argues it's better than the lives they had 1:05:45.480 --> 1:05:48.720 their throwaways. And we've seen that many many times with 1:05:48.800 --> 1:05:53.680 like girls that were victims that become the groomers for 1:05:54.200 --> 1:05:57.120 like male pedophiles or people that are like I'm helping them. 1:05:57.160 --> 1:05:58.720 It was worse off where they came from. 1:05:58.800 --> 1:06:01.560 Even like when we talked to like Laura Gomez's character 1:06:01.800 --> 1:06:04.080 is like gathering all these girls and is like, whatever, 1:06:04.080 --> 1:06:04.800 they're throwaways. 1:06:04.800 --> 1:06:05.720 No one cares about them. 1:06:06.280 --> 1:06:09.240 In my movies, he says, they get to feel my 1:06:09.360 --> 1:06:11.800 love and the love of our family, and she says, 1:06:12.000 --> 1:06:14.439 you had a family and Underwood stole you from them, 1:06:14.720 --> 1:06:16.880 and he did it to me too, and she's like, please, 1:06:16.920 --> 1:06:18.680 we need your help. We have to put them away. 1:06:19.040 --> 1:06:21.320 And he's like, what will punishing him even change? And 1:06:21.400 --> 1:06:24.320 Daniel says we're broken. Nothing can fix us. And Larissa's like, 1:06:24.360 --> 1:06:27.200 I don't believe that. And he's like, it's been fifteen years. 1:06:27.240 --> 1:06:29.920 Are you fixed yet? And then he reaches out to 1:06:29.920 --> 1:06:32.040 touch her arm and he gets up and he whispers 1:06:32.080 --> 1:06:33.720 something in her ear, and then he walks out of 1:06:33.720 --> 1:06:37.000 the room. So now Benson and Stabler are walking with Hardwick, 1:06:37.040 --> 1:06:40.800 and Stabler's like, Stabler's putting up a cognitive emotional wall too. 1:06:40.840 --> 1:06:42.640 He's like, okay, it's over. Let's move on. What other 1:06:42.720 --> 1:06:45.400 choice do we have? And Hardwick is bummed. She's like, 1:06:45.960 --> 1:06:47.520 you guys are better at this than I am, Like, 1:06:47.560 --> 1:06:49.440 I can't believe. We just have to like drop this now. 1:06:49.480 --> 1:06:51.200 It's like so horrific, and now we just to move 1:06:51.200 --> 1:06:52.800 on to the next thing. And they're like, yeah, well, 1:06:52.920 --> 1:06:55.240 lucky for us, there's always a new victim. And the 1:06:55.240 --> 1:06:58.439 phone rings and Stabler's like, what huh, We'll be right there. 1:06:58.760 --> 1:07:01.480 So just as Hardwick is trying to leave for the evening. No, 1:07:01.640 --> 1:07:04.560 they just got a nine one one call from Underwood 1:07:04.920 --> 1:07:07.040 and he said a girl named Brandy barged into his 1:07:07.080 --> 1:07:08.919 house with a gun, and then the line went dead. 1:07:09.480 --> 1:07:12.760 I love how nine one one calls SVU and it's like, 1:07:12.800 --> 1:07:13.880 do you guys want to get involved? 1:07:14.280 --> 1:07:16.760 But also that he would say a girl named Brandy, 1:07:16.800 --> 1:07:20.080 It's like, we all know who Brandy is. Yeah, you're 1:07:20.200 --> 1:07:23.320 using so many extra words for this emergency that you're in. 1:07:23.520 --> 1:07:30.720 Yes, so they skit Snicket. He does. He has like classic, 1:07:30.880 --> 1:07:33.800 like mean, old like man energy. 1:07:34.440 --> 1:07:37.440 I feel like more pervert than me. And even is 1:07:37.520 --> 1:07:43.840 Lemony Snicket a pervert? No, physically Lemony Snicket. 1:07:44.360 --> 1:07:45.920 Maybe Lemony Snicket is a pervert. 1:07:46.160 --> 1:07:49.120 I don't know who knows way in in the commons. 1:07:49.640 --> 1:07:54.400 So they rush to Underwood's house and the bedroom is 1:07:54.440 --> 1:07:56.960 locked with Underwood in it, and you can hear him saying, 1:07:57.040 --> 1:07:59.560 but I loved you, Brandy, I never meant to hurt you, 1:07:59.600 --> 1:08:01.720 and she's like shut the fuck up, like and we 1:08:01.800 --> 1:08:05.520 hear pop pop, two gunshots. They bust into the room 1:08:05.600 --> 1:08:08.280 and he has a bullet through his chest and one 1:08:08.320 --> 1:08:11.520 through his forehead, and hell, yes, this fucker is dead, 1:08:11.760 --> 1:08:13.960 like deader than a door nail, and I love it. 1:08:14.280 --> 1:08:16.599 Larissa drops the gun and she's like, I had to, 1:08:16.760 --> 1:08:19.879 I had to, And then we hear a kid crying. 1:08:20.600 --> 1:08:23.479 Live goes into the bathroom and finds a little blonde 1:08:23.479 --> 1:08:27.959 girl with pigtails crouched in the bathtub, looking terrified. Larissa 1:08:28.040 --> 1:08:31.320 says that at Rikers Daniel told me that Underwood was 1:08:31.360 --> 1:08:34.559 still doing it, so that's what like set her off, like, 1:08:34.720 --> 1:08:38.240 and he you know, that's what he whispered to her. 1:08:38.520 --> 1:08:41.800 So Hardwick shows up and sees the dead Peto and 1:08:41.880 --> 1:08:45.640 the girl and it's this looks like a mess. So 1:08:46.040 --> 1:08:48.880 they are somehow allowing Larissa to just walk the little 1:08:48.880 --> 1:08:52.000 girl on a stretcher to the ambulance. And then Stabler 1:08:52.040 --> 1:08:53.880 asks Hardwick, like, how are we going to handle this? 1:08:54.000 --> 1:08:56.880 And she says, well, Larissa used deadly forced to stop 1:08:57.000 --> 1:09:00.759 Underwood from raping Christina, the little girl, so that's defense 1:09:00.800 --> 1:09:04.559 of a third person. She walks Stablers like works for me, babe. 1:09:04.880 --> 1:09:08.960 They tell Lorissa she saved Christina. It's over and Larissa goes, 1:09:09.320 --> 1:09:11.439 maybe and that's dick wolf baby. 1:09:12.520 --> 1:09:14.439 The maybe at the end is like kind. 1:09:14.200 --> 1:09:18.519 Of sad like because it's like, yeah, it's maybe over 1:09:19.120 --> 1:09:21.720 in this moment, but his videos are up. People have 1:09:21.760 --> 1:09:25.360 disseminated these books and these how to manuals like this, 1:09:25.680 --> 1:09:28.960 like fight against Pedophiles is kind of like never over. 1:09:29.000 --> 1:09:32.360 It feels like no and it never will be no. 1:09:32.640 --> 1:09:36.880 Also, she probably needs more therapy too, Yeah, so fucked. 1:09:36.960 --> 1:09:38.840 And also we never saw the boyfriend again? Did he 1:09:38.880 --> 1:09:40.240 ditch her in this trying time? 1:09:40.479 --> 1:09:42.200 I know where Patrick? 1:09:43.280 --> 1:09:46.679 He seemed to really care about her, Like why wasn't 1:09:46.720 --> 1:09:48.360 he at court? Like why wasn't he help? 1:09:48.560 --> 1:09:51.680 I know he wasn't at court. Maybe he's maybe he's 1:09:51.680 --> 1:09:52.040 in the house. 1:09:52.040 --> 1:09:53.840 They don't want to pay that guy day rate. He 1:09:53.880 --> 1:09:55.680 only had a scalp laceration and I don't think he 1:09:55.720 --> 1:09:57.880 was still in the hospital. And the time it takes 1:09:57.920 --> 1:09:59.040 for her to get to court. 1:09:58.840 --> 1:10:03.520 I don't know. But but that's that and a wild episode. 1:10:03.600 --> 1:10:03.920 It is. 1:10:04.680 --> 1:10:07.200 It is wild because the name of the episode. They 1:10:07.240 --> 1:10:09.760 are sort of like clever even with the one named episodes, 1:10:09.800 --> 1:10:13.040 because like it's called Possessed, which you think of as 1:10:13.040 --> 1:10:16.120 like the Exorcist or some shit, but like it's about 1:10:16.160 --> 1:10:19.439 like these guys like possess this girl, like they think 1:10:19.479 --> 1:10:21.840 they own her because they've fallen in love with her 1:10:22.320 --> 1:10:26.200 on these videos and like she can't break free from 1:10:26.240 --> 1:10:28.720 all these people thinking that she's theirs. And that's like 1:10:28.720 --> 1:10:30.160 the Megan Baky episode two. 1:10:30.120 --> 1:10:32.479 Well, and then also reminds me of Avatar now that 1:10:32.520 --> 1:10:35.120 we're talking about it, the pigtail girl there, it's like 1:10:35.200 --> 1:10:38.519 she just wanted her forever. And my thing is, even 1:10:38.560 --> 1:10:43.360 if this wasn't pedophiles normal like of aged people, this 1:10:43.520 --> 1:10:47.920 is Bonker's behavior. You can't do that, Like, you can't 1:10:47.960 --> 1:10:50.479 just become obsessed with you know what I mean. It's 1:10:50.520 --> 1:10:53.120 like the pedophile shit is sick. But even if it 1:10:53.160 --> 1:10:57.240 wasn't pedophile, these are looney to These are yeah, wild wild, 1:10:57.360 --> 1:11:00.639 it's wild, yes, obsession, you can't just be I'm obsessed 1:11:00.680 --> 1:11:01.240 with a person. 1:11:01.479 --> 1:11:02.920 I hate them so much. 1:11:02.960 --> 1:11:05.760 I am glad Buzz died in jail, and I'm glad 1:11:05.800 --> 1:11:07.280 this guy got shot in the head. I mean, at 1:11:07.280 --> 1:11:10.439 the end of the day, they're both dead, but there's 1:11:10.479 --> 1:11:13.360 pedophiles alive everywhere, closer than you think. 1:11:13.600 --> 1:11:15.040 But right these. 1:11:14.840 --> 1:11:17.479 Two we got to see at least be dead, and 1:11:17.520 --> 1:11:20.479 that was satisfying. I liked seeing Lemony Snicket get the 1:11:20.520 --> 1:11:22.200 old pop through the forehead. 1:11:21.840 --> 1:11:23.519 And I must felt so good for her. 1:11:23.600 --> 1:11:26.160 Maybe that's the therapy she needed, just fucking popping in 1:11:26.280 --> 1:11:26.679 the mass. 1:11:27.320 --> 1:11:29.519 Yeah, oh I'm so hungry. 1:11:29.560 --> 1:11:32.679 I'm so excited just to see what I'm gonna eat, 1:11:32.680 --> 1:11:34.320 Like who knows, but. 1:11:34.439 --> 1:11:38.880 It was your oyster. But first the crimes. First the crime. 1:11:46.320 --> 1:11:52.360 So we've covered the Coventry before with Colleen stant and 1:11:52.479 --> 1:11:54.880 another crime, and it's you know, we do it all 1:11:54.920 --> 1:11:57.000 the time or do we always say we'll talk about 1:11:57.040 --> 1:11:58.640 it later and then we never talk about it. 1:11:58.880 --> 1:12:02.400 I don't know the Coventry in Colleen stand they were 1:12:02.439 --> 1:12:04.640 called the company, right, isn't that what he called them? 1:12:04.680 --> 1:12:05.480 The company? 1:12:05.800 --> 1:12:07.840 And then I forgot what they were called in the 1:12:09.280 --> 1:12:11.400 abducted in plain Sight where the guy was having sex 1:12:11.439 --> 1:12:13.280 with the mom and dad just so he could get 1:12:13.280 --> 1:12:15.320 to the girl. But he kept telling her that there 1:12:15.360 --> 1:12:18.400 was like this alien this thing was like alien involved. 1:12:18.479 --> 1:12:21.360 Yeah, but yeah, these guys are they should get into 1:12:21.360 --> 1:12:24.720 fiction writing instead of molestation. How about that? Like they 1:12:24.760 --> 1:12:30.479 really have some imaginations. Okay, So well I didn't cover it. Okay, 1:12:30.560 --> 1:12:35.040 so this is I'm not covering these pedophile lies. So 1:12:35.160 --> 1:12:41.240 this is Alex Cabarga case. But also Tara Burke. That 1:12:41.320 --> 1:12:43.680 might be a name that is familiar to you. That 1:12:43.800 --> 1:12:47.760 was like a big kidnapping, and we'll get into it. 1:12:47.320 --> 1:12:53.000 It's a twisted tail. So background on Alex. When he 1:12:53.120 --> 1:12:55.519 was five years old, his parents moved him from New 1:12:55.600 --> 1:13:00.559 Jersey into an experimental community named Project two in a 1:13:00.640 --> 1:13:04.599 vacant warehouse in San Francisco. So really great in terms 1:13:04.680 --> 1:13:10.479 of parenting decisions. And after several weeks of the family's arrival, 1:13:10.520 --> 1:13:13.639 a man named Lewis tree Frog Johnson joined the group. 1:13:14.280 --> 1:13:17.200 Okay, so listen. 1:13:17.880 --> 1:13:20.400 He is a piece of shit, but you know his 1:13:20.479 --> 1:13:22.240 name is. I'll call him tree Frog. 1:13:22.280 --> 1:13:22.639 We'll see. 1:13:22.760 --> 1:13:25.320 But I like I like frogs. They are my friend's 1:13:25.360 --> 1:13:29.040 biggest fear. Yes, I try to respect her. I didn't 1:13:29.080 --> 1:13:30.479 last time I was at the zoo, I didn't go 1:13:30.560 --> 1:13:33.479 into the frog area or in. I was like, you 1:13:33.479 --> 1:13:34.880 know what, I'm gonna stick with her. 1:13:35.360 --> 1:13:36.240 That's really nice. 1:13:36.640 --> 1:13:38.559 Thank you so much for you to hear her and 1:13:39.280 --> 1:13:42.439 hold her, hold space for her phobia. 1:13:42.920 --> 1:13:45.680 What do you think it's even called fear of frogs? 1:13:45.840 --> 1:13:46.000 Oh? 1:13:46.040 --> 1:13:48.000 I bet it's something great. Hold on. It's got a 1:13:48.040 --> 1:13:53.840 little name, fear of frogs. Rana daphobia, Rana da phobia, 1:13:54.280 --> 1:13:58.160 Rana daphobia, okay, cool, all right. 1:13:58.360 --> 1:14:02.439 So he was a third three year old transient tree Frog, 1:14:02.680 --> 1:14:07.400 and he shared the group's goals of throwing off old taboos. 1:14:08.000 --> 1:14:10.200 He believed in complete freedom for children. 1:14:10.520 --> 1:14:13.519 Oh look at that, and quickly befriended the five year 1:14:13.520 --> 1:14:15.920 old Alex and his two older brothers, and they all 1:14:15.960 --> 1:14:20.240 started hanging out a lot, and the parents, the Camargo parents, 1:14:20.280 --> 1:14:24.200 didn't love tree Frog, but allowed him full access to 1:14:24.240 --> 1:14:28.320 their children and adopted the open mindedness that this new 1:14:28.400 --> 1:14:34.240 lifestyle called for. So then two years later, Alex's parents 1:14:34.280 --> 1:14:37.240 divorced and she took custody of the boys and moved 1:14:37.240 --> 1:14:42.120 to a trailer near the warehouse. And then Treefrog lived 1:14:42.120 --> 1:14:44.599 in an old school bus on the same property and 1:14:44.680 --> 1:14:50.519 continued his relationship with the boys. He basically started courting Alex, 1:14:51.080 --> 1:14:53.160 you know, like a like like he was a sexual 1:14:53.240 --> 1:14:55.759 partner like. It was pretty sick, and the older siblings 1:14:55.840 --> 1:14:58.439 left and lost contact with him, but he kept hanging 1:14:58.479 --> 1:15:00.720 out with Alex, and the mom says expected he was 1:15:00.760 --> 1:15:03.320 having sex with her son, but she decided not to 1:15:03.320 --> 1:15:06.479 do anything about it, and then when he was nine 1:15:06.520 --> 1:15:10.040 years old, she relinquished all parental control and let tree 1:15:10.120 --> 1:15:14.320 Frog adopt and take full custody of her son. 1:15:14.880 --> 1:15:15.639 Oh my god. 1:15:16.200 --> 1:15:18.479 And later the mom is quoted saying she was just 1:15:18.560 --> 1:15:19.719 tired of being a parent. 1:15:20.439 --> 1:15:21.320 So that's that. 1:15:22.000 --> 1:15:24.320 So then he was living in a van with Lewis 1:15:24.360 --> 1:15:28.320 Treefrog Johnson after getting custody, and obviously a lot of 1:15:28.320 --> 1:15:31.600 physical and sexual abuse became Alex's regular life, and he 1:15:31.720 --> 1:15:33.920 was denied food if he did not partake in sex. 1:15:34.720 --> 1:15:39.120 So and then for money, Johnson would sell the videos 1:15:39.160 --> 1:15:43.519 of him raping Alex. And then and he had like, 1:15:43.920 --> 1:15:46.320 it's not radical. I don't like the way I was 1:15:46.439 --> 1:15:49.080 reading about it. I guess it's like we have to 1:15:49.120 --> 1:15:52.479 stop their their philosophy in the cult. 1:15:52.520 --> 1:15:54.000 It's like fucking predators whatever. 1:15:54.040 --> 1:15:57.280 But it's at his radical dogma of free love between 1:15:57.320 --> 1:16:01.799 adults and children, a pedophile. And so he then decided 1:16:01.840 --> 1:16:04.000 that he wants to kidnap a young girl and he 1:16:04.040 --> 1:16:07.360 would raise her according to his radical tenants, and then 1:16:07.840 --> 1:16:10.040 he would like have his own child that he could 1:16:10.120 --> 1:16:15.000 raise under his beliefs. So for nearly ten years, Alex 1:16:15.360 --> 1:16:19.519 was Johnson's sex slave in this van. He was denied 1:16:19.560 --> 1:16:22.600 access to outside information or social connections. 1:16:22.640 --> 1:16:23.400 He did not go to. 1:16:23.280 --> 1:16:26.120 School and was repeatedly told that that their way of 1:16:26.160 --> 1:16:29.000 life was morally superior, and he was taught to fear 1:16:29.040 --> 1:16:32.320 the outside world and distrust everyone except for tree Frog, 1:16:32.680 --> 1:16:35.960 so that even if he was presented with opportunity to escape, 1:16:36.200 --> 1:16:39.120 Cabargo was too afraid to attempt that. He didn't have 1:16:39.160 --> 1:16:44.200 a sense of self before being indoctrinated, so he had 1:16:44.200 --> 1:16:46.679 no point of reference to the outside world from which 1:16:46.680 --> 1:16:49.200 to understand what was happening to him. And that's because 1:16:49.240 --> 1:16:52.120 he was five, right, Yeah, So this is from an 1:16:52.120 --> 1:16:55.760 academic journal from Missoo Law. I've found a bunch of 1:16:55.800 --> 1:16:59.040 people using this case for all of their law schools 1:16:59.080 --> 1:17:03.240 because it is he eventually is going to commit crime. 1:17:03.439 --> 1:17:07.360 But like how much of it was I'll talk about 1:17:07.400 --> 1:17:11.120 it later, but like, yeah, he because they were comparing 1:17:11.200 --> 1:17:13.719 him in this story a lot to like prisoners of war, 1:17:13.840 --> 1:17:17.200 people that are brainwashed but something has a tether to 1:17:17.280 --> 1:17:19.640 the old world in some way. But when you're this 1:17:19.880 --> 1:17:22.679 young and your mom fucking suck too, it's like he 1:17:22.800 --> 1:17:26.040 just had no concept of what was outside of. 1:17:26.600 --> 1:17:30.160 His life, like this is life for him. Yeah. 1:17:30.960 --> 1:17:35.200 Yeah, So when he turned seventeen, Johnson decided, like I'm 1:17:35.280 --> 1:17:39.439 kidnapping a girl and Alex Yeah, seventeen, he helped tree Frog 1:17:39.520 --> 1:17:40.360 kidnap a young girl. 1:17:40.560 --> 1:17:42.000 So Tara Burke. 1:17:42.520 --> 1:17:45.479 She was kidnapped February sixth, nineteen eighty two, a few 1:17:45.479 --> 1:17:46.920 months shy of her third birthday. 1:17:47.560 --> 1:17:52.800 Oh, I know, and that's so much younger than I 1:17:52.880 --> 1:17:54.840 thought it was going to be. Should I have done 1:17:54.840 --> 1:17:58.320 a warning? It's bad? Oh, it's okay. 1:17:58.439 --> 1:18:00.439 So she was taken from her well, because he wants 1:18:00.439 --> 1:18:04.040 someone with no understanding of the world right now. So 1:18:04.080 --> 1:18:06.160 she was taken from her parents' car in a shopping 1:18:06.240 --> 1:18:09.960 center in Concord, California. And her parents drove into Concord 1:18:10.000 --> 1:18:13.840 from Pittsburgh, California to exchange a part at an auto 1:18:13.960 --> 1:18:17.080 supply store. It was a quick errand so I left 1:18:17.120 --> 1:18:18.880 her in the car with her nine year old brother 1:18:19.040 --> 1:18:22.080 and dashed inside. I mean, I don't want to be judgmental, 1:18:22.160 --> 1:18:24.000 but it's like, couldn't one parent have gone in? 1:18:24.280 --> 1:18:26.920 I know, two of you need to do the auto part. Yeah, 1:18:26.960 --> 1:18:30.280 it's weird, or you would take one of the kids. 1:18:30.400 --> 1:18:30.840 I don't know. 1:18:30.920 --> 1:18:34.000 It's just like their math is weird to me. But 1:18:35.360 --> 1:18:39.000 that's rude. I feel rude, But that is what I thought, moments, 1:18:39.160 --> 1:18:41.000 but also like, how do you plan this or do 1:18:41.040 --> 1:18:43.680 you just sit in a shopping center waiting for this 1:18:43.840 --> 1:18:47.240 moment and you dash? But like basically, moments later, a 1:18:47.280 --> 1:18:50.320 young man knocked on the window said, oh, your mom 1:18:50.360 --> 1:18:53.320 wants you Jeremy. The older brother opened the door, and 1:18:53.360 --> 1:18:56.400 the kidnapper snatched Tara, flung her over his shoulder, and 1:18:56.479 --> 1:18:59.280 raced to a nearby apartment complex, where he jumped into 1:18:59.280 --> 1:19:01.640 a waiting car. And the girl was like still in 1:19:01.680 --> 1:19:04.280 diapers when she was taken. And so that's my thing 1:19:04.320 --> 1:19:10.320 where it's like, how did this happen? Yeah, they were 1:19:10.360 --> 1:19:12.559 just ready to do that. Like I just am having 1:19:12.640 --> 1:19:17.839 a hard time getting it, Like in this one second, 1:19:17.920 --> 1:19:19.320 you do an Errand were they waiting? 1:19:19.400 --> 1:19:20.360 Do they drive around? 1:19:20.439 --> 1:19:24.640 Like I just don't get how the universe collapsed in 1:19:24.680 --> 1:19:26.920 this wild way or are they just always ready? But 1:19:26.960 --> 1:19:28.759 how was the car in the apartment complex? 1:19:28.800 --> 1:19:30.040 You know what I mean? Yeah? 1:19:30.120 --> 1:19:32.840 Did they stalk this family? Like I just have so 1:19:32.920 --> 1:19:37.639 many questions about just the snatching, right, No, that's good, 1:19:37.720 --> 1:19:40.639 those are good questions. And she's so little, so it's 1:19:40.720 --> 1:19:44.360 like it's not like she could test. I mean the brother, 1:19:44.400 --> 1:19:47.639 I guess okay. Anyways, So then thirty four year old 1:19:47.680 --> 1:19:50.679 Dick Gordy was a sergeant in the Concord Police Juvenile 1:19:50.720 --> 1:19:52.800 Bureau and he would take the lead on the case, 1:19:52.840 --> 1:19:55.000 and he carried a photo of her with him during 1:19:55.000 --> 1:19:57.680 the whole investigation. This case obviously shook him to his 1:19:57.760 --> 1:20:00.240 core and his goal in life was like, I need 1:20:00.280 --> 1:20:04.880 to find this fucking girl. Meanwhile, the criminals dyed her 1:20:04.880 --> 1:20:07.360 hair brown and cut it really really short from blonde, 1:20:07.760 --> 1:20:10.519 and then they convinced brainwashed her into thinking she was 1:20:10.560 --> 1:20:13.240 a boy and that was like and then they kept 1:20:13.240 --> 1:20:16.120 her naked so she wouldn't run away, and then they 1:20:16.200 --> 1:20:17.920 withheld food from her as well if she did not 1:20:18.000 --> 1:20:21.800 perform sexual acts. So you know, kind of the same 1:20:21.840 --> 1:20:25.200 thing that happened with Alex. He took pictures movies of 1:20:25.280 --> 1:20:29.040 Alex and Tara together and Tara was not allowed to 1:20:29.280 --> 1:20:31.519 wash and was kept naked. From the way, it's just like, yeah, 1:20:31.520 --> 1:20:35.639 it's fucked up. And so they're forced to perform together. 1:20:36.120 --> 1:20:38.120 He's doing me, and they're living and the whole time 1:20:38.120 --> 1:20:41.280 they're in one van, Like I can't even imagine how 1:20:41.320 --> 1:20:44.519 gross it is in there, Like not that all of 1:20:44.520 --> 1:20:45.600 it's horrific, no matter what. 1:20:45.720 --> 1:20:47.799 The van element is just like so fucked. 1:20:48.320 --> 1:20:52.679 So then another boy was kidnapped, unfortunately, but because of him, 1:20:52.840 --> 1:20:55.360 he ended up escaping and he led police to the van. 1:20:56.040 --> 1:20:57.920 So it's really fucked up. 1:20:57.960 --> 1:21:00.160 And he also had bad parents, like he willingly was 1:21:00.200 --> 1:21:02.720 able to go like a lot of they have bad 1:21:02.760 --> 1:21:05.800 parents and criminals know who to take. Okay, So this 1:21:05.920 --> 1:21:09.640 boy was Vietnamese. His name was Mac Lynn. He was 1:21:09.680 --> 1:21:12.360 an eleven year old boy and obviously a hero. So 1:21:12.479 --> 1:21:15.360 what happened was tree Frog offered him two hundred dollars 1:21:15.400 --> 1:21:18.360 to babysit the little girl, and like that's how he 1:21:18.479 --> 1:21:22.160 was lured. And then he became a victim too again 1:21:22.240 --> 1:21:24.599 you know, sexually abused be in with a rubber hose 1:21:24.720 --> 1:21:28.200 like the worst. And the van kept going from like 1:21:28.320 --> 1:21:30.800 industrial part to industrial part and factory under you know, 1:21:30.840 --> 1:21:33.439 like c D parts. But eventually it was parked in 1:21:33.439 --> 1:21:38.679 an industrial district of San Francisco, and finally after his escape, 1:21:38.720 --> 1:21:42.000 it put this very highly publicized nationwide search. This was 1:21:42.000 --> 1:21:45.400 on America's Most Wanted and everything or like Missing Children whatever. 1:21:45.520 --> 1:21:48.280 But that guy, what's his name, you know, oh John Walsh. 1:21:48.400 --> 1:21:53.519 Yeah, so Mack climbed from the van's roof ventilator and 1:21:53.600 --> 1:21:56.759 asked him man he knew. Well, I found conflicting reports. 1:21:56.760 --> 1:21:58.120 Someone said a man that he knew, and then someone 1:21:58.160 --> 1:21:59.720 said he ran to two women that he knew. So 1:21:59.720 --> 1:22:01.320 I'm not sure who he ran to, but like he 1:22:01.400 --> 1:22:04.240 ran to people that he trusted knew because, like I said, 1:22:04.280 --> 1:22:07.439 his parents were kind of bad too. And he was 1:22:07.479 --> 1:22:11.040 eventually awarded eleven thousand dollars and he would have gotten 1:22:11.080 --> 1:22:13.400 at eighteen with interest. And he was placed into a 1:22:13.439 --> 1:22:17.080 foster family after his escape because like I said, his 1:22:17.520 --> 1:22:18.840 parents weren't. 1:22:20.320 --> 1:22:21.920 Caring in any capacity. 1:22:22.120 --> 1:22:25.720 And I hope he has lived a good life with 1:22:25.760 --> 1:22:28.640 his foster family. It was hard to find his whereabouts, 1:22:28.640 --> 1:22:31.400 which I think is good. So then when the cops 1:22:31.439 --> 1:22:34.320 busted in, Cabargo was in bed with Tara, both naked 1:22:34.360 --> 1:22:37.000 from the waist down, and when they searched the van, 1:22:37.040 --> 1:22:39.479 they found two home movies and hundreds of pictures of 1:22:39.520 --> 1:22:43.240 Tara participating in you know things she was to do. 1:22:44.080 --> 1:22:46.400 So then Gordy got this call from the San Francisco 1:22:46.520 --> 1:22:48.639 authorities that they're like, hey, it might be this missing 1:22:48.640 --> 1:22:52.439 girl from Concord, and he was like he didn't want 1:22:52.439 --> 1:22:53.720 to tell the parents yet, he didn't want to get 1:22:53.720 --> 1:22:56.240 their hopes up. So even though Tara was too young 1:22:56.240 --> 1:22:59.000 to provide details, Mac, since he was eleven, he was 1:22:59.040 --> 1:23:02.360 able to lay out the whole story. So we had 1:23:02.479 --> 1:23:04.599 Mac is a cridible witness. There's also just a lot 1:23:04.640 --> 1:23:07.599 of evidence in the van photos film and then like 1:23:07.880 --> 1:23:11.880 very high piles of trash. But Gordie was taken to 1:23:11.920 --> 1:23:15.640 the girl. They matched the fingerprints and according to the 1:23:15.640 --> 1:23:19.160 San Francisco Gate, he said, I had the picture I 1:23:19.280 --> 1:23:21.160 carried with me and I pulled it out and said 1:23:21.160 --> 1:23:24.719 who is that? And he says that she said that's 1:23:24.840 --> 1:23:29.400 me and I want my long hair back. So we knew, 1:23:29.520 --> 1:23:31.559 you know, they knew it was her. So she was 1:23:31.600 --> 1:23:34.480 reunited with her parents, Stephen and Elizabeth Burke of Concord, 1:23:34.640 --> 1:23:38.960 at the San Francisco Children's Center, and she got to 1:23:39.120 --> 1:23:42.600 spend Christmas with her family. But I mean, she was 1:23:42.640 --> 1:23:46.320 fucked like she had a new extensive vocabulary like vulgar words. 1:23:46.360 --> 1:23:48.320 And a therapist said she was scarred for life, and 1:23:48.320 --> 1:23:51.920 it's like dubbitch. We really didn't need that quote. This 1:23:51.960 --> 1:23:54.320 is a quote from the mom. Tara was a sweet, 1:23:54.360 --> 1:23:57.080 loving trusting little girl, bursting with joy and laughter. What 1:23:57.200 --> 1:23:59.800 we got back in December nineteen eighty two was a 1:23:59.840 --> 1:24:02.720 monster somebody who thought she was a boy, knew all 1:24:02.760 --> 1:24:07.200 the worst forms of sexuality imaginable, all forms of profanity. 1:24:06.600 --> 1:24:08.240 And brainwashed beyond belief. 1:24:10.000 --> 1:24:14.599 Jesus, it's really fucked and the possessed comes out more here. 1:24:14.640 --> 1:24:18.439 But it is like she's so fucking young, like to 1:24:18.520 --> 1:24:23.400 have like this little kid knowing all this fucked up shit, Like, yeah, 1:24:23.520 --> 1:24:25.679 it's And so when she got home, she started therapy 1:24:25.800 --> 1:24:28.040 right away, and it was funded by the Victims of 1:24:28.120 --> 1:24:30.880 Violent Crime program, but the maximount was ten grand and 1:24:30.880 --> 1:24:32.840 it ran out really quick, and their family was poor, 1:24:33.400 --> 1:24:35.519 and she regressed and it was a lot of issues. 1:24:35.560 --> 1:24:37.480 And then new legislation passed. 1:24:37.120 --> 1:24:39.479 And they were given new money, more money, and she 1:24:39.560 --> 1:24:40.439 resumed counseling. 1:24:41.040 --> 1:24:43.439 But yeah, fucked. 1:24:43.840 --> 1:24:46.639 Eventually she enrolled in school under her mother's maiden names, 1:24:46.680 --> 1:24:48.640 so her classmates and like their parents would know who 1:24:48.720 --> 1:24:51.479 she was. But from fifth grade on she went back 1:24:51.479 --> 1:24:53.519 to using her own name, and she did not want 1:24:53.560 --> 1:24:57.240 to hide. And the men were taken into custody right away. 1:24:57.280 --> 1:25:01.000 So Louis Johnson thirty three and Alex Cabarga eighteen. Cabargo's 1:25:01.040 --> 1:25:04.240 defense was that his actions were committed under Johnson's influence. 1:25:04.880 --> 1:25:08.400 And so then this is where everything gets like, you know, sticky, 1:25:08.800 --> 1:25:10.440 or I guess it has been terrible. 1:25:10.160 --> 1:25:12.679 This whole time. Okay, So Tara. 1:25:12.560 --> 1:25:16.360 Took the stand and had an emotionally charged testimony, and 1:25:16.400 --> 1:25:20.120 the judge, Robert Doce, issued his sentence right after the 1:25:20.120 --> 1:25:22.320 two days of testimony in a hushed courtroom. 1:25:22.840 --> 1:25:27.880 So put the little girl on the stand. Yeah. 1:25:27.920 --> 1:25:31.120 Wow, I didn't even think about that while I was 1:25:31.120 --> 1:25:33.960 writing and reading that. I just feel like most of 1:25:34.000 --> 1:25:36.680 the time in this show, at least they'll be like, well, 1:25:36.680 --> 1:25:38.240 we can't put the little girl in the stand. She's 1:25:38.280 --> 1:25:40.639 too young, you know, like they don't really put super 1:25:40.680 --> 1:25:41.880 little kids on the stand. 1:25:43.280 --> 1:25:45.439 Damn ugh. Anyway. 1:25:45.760 --> 1:25:48.240 July fourth, nineteen eighty four, it's reported that the nineteen 1:25:48.320 --> 1:25:52.320 year old Caberga was convicted of kidnapping and sexual abuse. 1:25:52.720 --> 1:25:56.880 He got life despite a California Youth Authority evaluation that 1:25:56.920 --> 1:26:01.599 said he is capable of rehabilitation. Robert dose did sentence 1:26:02.200 --> 1:26:05.960 Cabarga to two hundred and eight years for ninety three 1:26:06.040 --> 1:26:09.960 counts involving abduction, and sex crimes. The judge believed he 1:26:10.000 --> 1:26:12.640 would be a danger to other children in the California 1:26:12.680 --> 1:26:15.960 Youth Authority because he had been diagnosed to pedophile, so 1:26:16.040 --> 1:26:20.719 you can't go hang out with kids. And he continues, 1:26:20.760 --> 1:26:24.360 according to the United Press International, that in quotes, I 1:26:24.400 --> 1:26:28.280 can't recall a case that's demonstrated such degrading and sadistic conduct. 1:26:28.800 --> 1:26:31.160 I hope the effect of the sentence is to prevent 1:26:31.200 --> 1:26:36.120 mister Cabarga from ever hurting a child again. And this 1:26:36.240 --> 1:26:37.439 is like a kind of a fuck you. But he 1:26:37.479 --> 1:26:40.000 was eligible for parole at one hundred and four years, 1:26:40.400 --> 1:26:43.439 but then later an appellate corp ruled that it was 1:26:43.479 --> 1:26:46.519 a cruel and unusual punishment since he was a victim 1:26:46.560 --> 1:26:50.080 as well, so they did change his sentence to twenty 1:26:50.120 --> 1:26:54.200 five years. But yeah, the court basically found that he 1:26:54.200 --> 1:26:56.720 had been dominated and abused by tree Frog, who taught 1:26:56.800 --> 1:26:59.760 him that child molesting was normal, and also struck him 1:26:59.760 --> 1:27:01.240 when he disobeyed orders. 1:27:01.800 --> 1:27:03.640 Appellate Justice Jerome A. 1:27:03.800 --> 1:27:06.400 Smith wrote, according to the La Times, a sentence of 1:27:06.439 --> 1:27:11.120 life imprisonment for Cabarga, who the evidence overwhelmingly discloses was 1:27:11.200 --> 1:27:14.400 Johnson's third victim, is constitutionally excessive. 1:27:15.479 --> 1:27:16.719 So the court held. 1:27:16.560 --> 1:27:19.080 Up the charges but changed the sentence, and he was 1:27:19.160 --> 1:27:22.720 paroled in nineteen ninety five. And he lives in the 1:27:22.720 --> 1:27:25.240 Bay Area and you can find his address on the 1:27:25.240 --> 1:27:26.360 sexual Registry. 1:27:27.439 --> 1:27:29.840 And I even know how somebody like him could be 1:27:29.920 --> 1:27:36.200 reintroduced into society when he's been abused since like no schooling, 1:27:36.439 --> 1:27:38.880 like five years old. This is what he thinks, Like 1:27:39.000 --> 1:27:41.800 reality is like, I don't know, how do you like 1:27:41.880 --> 1:27:45.760 deprogram someone who's that deeply brainwashed? He wasn't I guess 1:27:45.760 --> 1:27:49.080 he was only in prison for ten years. Fuck, maybe 1:27:49.120 --> 1:27:51.719 he got mental health services in prison. Oh my god, 1:27:51.840 --> 1:27:52.280 I don't know. 1:27:52.800 --> 1:27:55.599 I don't know. Yeah. 1:27:55.760 --> 1:27:58.280 Burke at age nine, says she wanted him jailed forever 1:27:58.360 --> 1:28:02.400 and she still fears him. But it's just tough because 1:28:02.400 --> 1:28:03.760 it makes me mad that he's out. 1:28:03.840 --> 1:28:06.000 He did commit but he is a victim, Like I 1:28:06.000 --> 1:28:08.040 don't know. Yeah. 1:28:08.120 --> 1:28:12.000 So I found more academic journals. So this one is 1:28:12.000 --> 1:28:15.760 from the University of Alabama's School of Law. So it's 1:28:15.920 --> 1:28:19.080 entitled Are We Responsible for Who We Are? The Challenge 1:28:19.120 --> 1:28:21.600 for Criminal Law Theory and the Defenses of course of 1:28:21.720 --> 1:28:26.559 indoctrination and in quotes Rotten social background, and like, did 1:28:26.600 --> 1:28:30.639 Alex stand a chance to fight against this depraved life 1:28:30.720 --> 1:28:34.080 with lack of anchor problem? Like I mentioned earlier, he 1:28:34.120 --> 1:28:38.240 didn't have an internal normative conflict over what he was doing. 1:28:38.760 --> 1:28:40.880 Yeah, like, how does he know the difference between right 1:28:40.920 --> 1:28:42.800 and wrong? He was ever taught him. 1:28:42.720 --> 1:28:46.800 That from five, Like we are cult that's why not 1:28:46.880 --> 1:28:50.599 everyone should be parents. Okay, it's the classic abused people 1:28:50.600 --> 1:28:53.320 will abuse people. But he didn't know what was wrong 1:28:54.400 --> 1:28:57.320 because he hated it and he knew what it was like. 1:28:58.200 --> 1:29:00.679 But he did not have enough worldly influences and built 1:29:00.760 --> 1:29:03.559 up understanding of right and wrong, especially you know with 1:29:03.600 --> 1:29:05.920 the Culton parents and stuff. But also where do we 1:29:06.000 --> 1:29:09.280 draw the line with our sympathy and sentencing in crimes, 1:29:09.320 --> 1:29:12.479 because it seems like most criminals we cover have been 1:29:13.040 --> 1:29:17.360 abuse and so like for this case we feel for him, 1:29:17.439 --> 1:29:19.920 but so many other cases we really are like, go 1:29:20.000 --> 1:29:22.640 to jail forever. He was a victim, he's both and 1:29:22.640 --> 1:29:24.720 he is labeled a sex vendors who's in on the 1:29:24.760 --> 1:29:28.679 registry at least so Lewis tree Frog Johnson was sentenced 1:29:28.720 --> 1:29:31.880 to five hundred and twenty seven years in the same case, 1:29:32.520 --> 1:29:35.880 and so it was one hundred separate counts of kidnapping, assault, 1:29:35.920 --> 1:29:38.519 and sex charges and no one was trying to get 1:29:38.560 --> 1:29:40.719 him less years, so do not worry. He is still 1:29:40.760 --> 1:29:45.320 incarcerated at Mule Creek State Prison. And the last I 1:29:45.360 --> 1:29:48.720 saw was Tara went to college at San Jose State University, 1:29:49.080 --> 1:29:51.360 and she credits the help of Dick Gordy from the 1:29:51.360 --> 1:29:55.320 Concord Police Department. He adopted eighteen year old Tara, raised 1:29:55.320 --> 1:29:57.599 money to finance her schooling and acted as a second 1:29:57.680 --> 1:30:02.679 father to her, and yeah, really helped her. And I think, yeah, 1:30:02.680 --> 1:30:05.840 I couldn't find her as well, So that's good. I 1:30:05.880 --> 1:30:08.599 found there's a there's a real turr in that area 1:30:08.960 --> 1:30:09.839 with that name. 1:30:09.680 --> 1:30:10.360 But I don't know. 1:30:11.479 --> 1:30:14.799 I'm not gonna say she's selling houses and doing Okay, 1:30:15.040 --> 1:30:18.440 oh boy, god, that is fucking brutal. 1:30:18.720 --> 1:30:21.880 It's about That's why when you said that the initial 1:30:21.920 --> 1:30:25.360 guy like didn't he seemed kind of like he didn't 1:30:25.360 --> 1:30:27.760 even understand what was happening, you know what I mean. 1:30:27.920 --> 1:30:29.519 Like, that's why I thought of all of this. 1:30:30.400 --> 1:30:34.400 Yeah, and it leads back to these parents giving up 1:30:34.400 --> 1:30:37.360 their kid to this guy that was molesting them and like. 1:30:37.360 --> 1:30:38.120 That there's no. 1:30:39.640 --> 1:30:41.960 Yeah, that there's kind of no checks and balances for 1:30:42.000 --> 1:30:44.160 that kind of thing. If you're just like a parent 1:30:44.200 --> 1:30:47.280 that gives your kid away no one and they don't 1:30:47.280 --> 1:30:50.120 go to school, there's really like no way to track 1:30:50.160 --> 1:30:52.840 anything happening to them in any way. 1:30:54.760 --> 1:30:58.000 You know, I've talked about this other one before, but 1:30:58.040 --> 1:31:00.840 if this is a case that interested in anyway, the 1:31:00.880 --> 1:31:06.280 girl in the picture on Netflix is like that, like 1:31:06.360 --> 1:31:08.320 really bad, it'll make you really. 1:31:08.200 --> 1:31:13.040 Upset if you want to all ready to get devastated. 1:31:13.320 --> 1:31:14.639 I'm no guessed, so. 1:31:15.280 --> 1:31:18.280 No guests, so nothing to nothing to clear the air 1:31:18.360 --> 1:31:20.920 here except for me and Lisa try to talk it over. 1:31:21.320 --> 1:31:22.759 Yeah post more time. 1:31:23.640 --> 1:31:26.760 Ugh, cults are bad, pedophiles are bad, the laws are bad. 1:31:26.840 --> 1:31:29.439 Everyone's bad. Don't leave your kids in a car. 1:31:29.479 --> 1:31:31.600 I mean this was the eighties though, and you know 1:31:31.880 --> 1:31:33.960 in the sixties seventies eighty is way more well I 1:31:34.000 --> 1:31:35.760 don't know if way moore, but yeah, you would leave 1:31:35.800 --> 1:31:38.720 your kids in the car. I doubt people were even 1:31:38.800 --> 1:31:42.320 leaving a little hole for in the hot weather. Like, yeah, 1:31:42.479 --> 1:31:44.679 we're seatbelts even around who knows. 1:31:45.000 --> 1:31:48.080 Yeah, really I was not wearing a seatbelt all the 1:31:48.080 --> 1:31:48.839 time in the eighties. 1:31:49.479 --> 1:31:52.439 I'm still so anti seat I've gotten messages I wear 1:31:52.439 --> 1:31:54.360 my seatbelt relax, but it. 1:31:54.320 --> 1:31:56.640 Really I like crazy, I like have to have one 1:31:56.720 --> 1:31:57.960 or I feel weird in a car. 1:31:58.040 --> 1:32:00.719 But but I my dad's fault. 1:32:00.800 --> 1:32:02.320 He told me in the backseat you don't have to, 1:32:02.520 --> 1:32:03.960 and obviously that's bad advice. 1:32:04.080 --> 1:32:10.000 So all right, give us a second. We're gonna hop 1:32:10.040 --> 1:32:19.720 into our post mortem. So that was a wild one. 1:32:19.920 --> 1:32:23.679 I Terren Manning is very good in it. Uh, and 1:32:23.760 --> 1:32:26.880 so is a baby Sabrina Carpenter with her tiny little 1:32:27.080 --> 1:32:28.200 her tiny little cameo. 1:32:29.160 --> 1:32:31.519 It must be really hard to be good at playing 1:32:31.560 --> 1:32:36.280 these highly emotional damaged characters, because I'm sure it gets exhausting. Yeah, 1:32:36.320 --> 1:32:39.000 I bet, I guy, it's exhausting playing like victims of 1:32:39.080 --> 1:32:40.160 rape over and over again. 1:32:40.720 --> 1:32:44.000 Yes, you know, Yeah, it's a lot because her character, 1:32:44.439 --> 1:32:47.200 her character in Orange is the new Black, Like it's 1:32:47.320 --> 1:32:50.519 like one. It's a masterclass and a character growing on you, 1:32:50.520 --> 1:32:52.559 you know, because like at the beginning, she's very villainous, 1:32:52.600 --> 1:32:54.720 like you hate you want to hate her like, and 1:32:54.800 --> 1:32:58.320 then she just has so many twists and turns and 1:32:58.680 --> 1:33:02.519 I think her kind stucky's a one to watch. I 1:33:02.560 --> 1:33:05.240 don't know what this episode was going for in terms 1:33:05.280 --> 1:33:09.040 of this pedophile they made, like truly, they made this man, 1:33:09.080 --> 1:33:11.200 the guy who played Buzz in home alone is just 1:33:11.200 --> 1:33:13.400 like a super pedophile, Like he has no idea he's 1:33:13.439 --> 1:33:16.360 doing anything wrong, and he's just kind of like this, 1:33:16.960 --> 1:33:23.040 like like a full screwless and also violent and creepy 1:33:23.320 --> 1:33:25.160 and the mask horrible. 1:33:25.880 --> 1:33:26.080 You know. 1:33:26.160 --> 1:33:27.679 I think they would just sit down with the writers 1:33:27.680 --> 1:33:29.880 and be like, everybody, just write a couple things down 1:33:29.880 --> 1:33:31.560 from your nightmares, and then we're going to turn it 1:33:31.640 --> 1:33:32.360 into a character. 1:33:33.000 --> 1:33:37.639 Uh No, I would say that this is the worst, 1:33:38.320 --> 1:33:41.960 one of the worst things I've ever researched, and it's bothered. 1:33:41.640 --> 1:33:42.280 Me ever since. 1:33:42.680 --> 1:33:47.719 Yeah, and it'll probably continue to never leave my brain 1:33:47.800 --> 1:33:50.000 for the rest of my life and probably the people listening, like, 1:33:50.120 --> 1:33:51.559 I don't know, it is just bad. 1:33:51.880 --> 1:33:55.880 Yes, I have literally thought of your research multiple times 1:33:55.880 --> 1:33:59.519 since we recorded this episode, Like I it's I mean, 1:33:59.520 --> 1:34:01.920 that's like and dig what happened to these kids and 1:34:01.920 --> 1:34:05.200 that like this this boy was taken so young and 1:34:05.200 --> 1:34:07.840 basically just like turned into a monster. Like it's it's 1:34:08.000 --> 1:34:09.960 oh my god crazy. We don't have to relive it, 1:34:10.400 --> 1:34:11.880 but we don't. 1:34:11.880 --> 1:34:15.080 But now and even though white vans are obviously always 1:34:15.120 --> 1:34:19.799 connected to molesters and creeps. Now there's a nether level. 1:34:20.160 --> 1:34:23.880 I peek in, I get a new fear of white vans. 1:34:23.960 --> 1:34:26.759 Yeah, if there's a tiny little window or any sliver, 1:34:26.800 --> 1:34:29.479 I'm peeking in. I'm like, anyone in there, bang twice 1:34:29.479 --> 1:34:34.080 if you need help, Like I, vans are who they're tough. 1:34:34.160 --> 1:34:35.479 Well, I don't know if I told you know, because 1:34:35.479 --> 1:34:37.080 I'm addicted to my phone. So I was just like 1:34:37.160 --> 1:34:39.960 on my phone, just like sucked into whatever I was doing. 1:34:40.240 --> 1:34:41.559 And then I looked to the left of me and 1:34:41.560 --> 1:34:43.320 I was truly standing in front of a white van 1:34:43.360 --> 1:34:46.639 that was open, fully wide with tools, and I'm like, oh, 1:34:46.800 --> 1:34:48.600 I could be pushed in it, Like why am I 1:34:48.680 --> 1:34:49.519 standing here? 1:34:49.960 --> 1:34:52.679 Like I oh god? 1:34:53.160 --> 1:34:54.320 You know what's like crazy too? 1:34:54.400 --> 1:34:54.559 Is that? 1:34:54.640 --> 1:34:57.639 Like since we've recorded this episode, we've recorded another episode 1:34:57.640 --> 1:34:59.880 about somebody getting grabbed into a white van Like so 1:35:00.000 --> 1:35:05.960 oh yes, literally it's that common. But anyway, I don't 1:35:05.960 --> 1:35:08.880 know what the post mortem takeaway lesson is here. 1:35:09.160 --> 1:35:10.840 It's just you don't have kids. 1:35:10.600 --> 1:35:13.040 If you don't want to have kids, do not have children, 1:35:13.120 --> 1:35:15.719 do not sign parental rights, like, do not have kids 1:35:16.040 --> 1:35:19.200 if you are not fully equipped to have children. I mean, 1:35:19.280 --> 1:35:21.360 that's the number one lesson here. 1:35:23.280 --> 1:35:26.360 Unfortunately, some states are forcing you to do that. So 1:35:26.400 --> 1:35:28.240 I guess if you're being forced to have a child 1:35:28.320 --> 1:35:30.120 and you don't want it, please try to get to 1:35:30.160 --> 1:35:31.800 another state and not have the child. 1:35:32.680 --> 1:35:35.760 All right, That was insensitive depending on where you live, 1:35:35.920 --> 1:35:36.519 so that. 1:35:36.560 --> 1:35:39.800 But yes, so in general, don't have kids to put 1:35:39.840 --> 1:35:41.840 a band aid on your relationship. Don't have kids because 1:35:41.880 --> 1:35:43.640 your mom told you to. Don't have kids because you 1:35:43.640 --> 1:35:45.320 think someone will take care of you when you're older. 1:35:46.280 --> 1:35:46.800 Don't do that. 1:35:48.280 --> 1:35:51.320 But let's get into our what would Sister Peg do 1:35:51.840 --> 1:35:54.360 for the week. This is our weekly segment where we 1:35:54.400 --> 1:35:58.880 direct you towards an organization, an article, a doc, something 1:35:58.880 --> 1:36:00.639 to give you more info about what we talked about today. 1:36:00.680 --> 1:36:03.000 And I wanted to point you guys this week to 1:36:03.120 --> 1:36:06.360 an organization called Helping Survivors. Their group's mission is to 1:36:06.400 --> 1:36:09.120 quote help, heal, educate, and empower people who have been 1:36:09.160 --> 1:36:13.200 impacted by sexual assault and abuse. Specifically, the organization helps 1:36:13.280 --> 1:36:16.719 victims of uber and lift sexual assault, workplace sexual harassment, 1:36:16.760 --> 1:36:20.800 and institutional based sexual assault. They provide victims with quote 1:36:20.840 --> 1:36:24.679 unquote accurate, trustworthy, and up to date information regarding their legal, 1:36:24.760 --> 1:36:28.599 financial and healthcare options. So I also know this organization 1:36:28.720 --> 1:36:32.519 just started in twenty twenty two, so they are you know, 1:36:32.640 --> 1:36:35.800 out there and hungry to make a difference. So for 1:36:35.880 --> 1:36:38.880 more info head over to Helping Survivors dot org. 1:36:39.880 --> 1:36:41.560 That will, as usual. 1:36:41.320 --> 1:36:45.559 Be saved in our WWSPD highlight which is on our 1:36:45.640 --> 1:36:48.120 Instagram page which is Thats Messed Up Pod. 1:36:48.920 --> 1:36:51.400 Come follow us, guys. We're posting fun shit over there. 1:36:51.400 --> 1:36:54.880 We're posting games, we're posting videos, we're posting homework. You 1:36:54.920 --> 1:36:56.240 know we're fun. 1:36:56.640 --> 1:36:59.800 And next week we'll be covering the episode's Spring Awakening 1:37:00.000 --> 1:37:02.400 from season fifteen, episode twenty four. 1:37:03.000 --> 1:37:13.479 We'll see you then, everyone, enjoy your lives. 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