1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, fourteen 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Anius Williams. Welcome 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: back to the podcast. This is part two or Brian Dawkins. 5 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: So you go to a psychiatrists, psychologist psychis right. So 6 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: now the great bedk X Man, this tough football player 7 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: now sitting in somebody's office on the strength of somebody 8 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: Uncle e. You'll see it there the first time in 9 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: that session, what were you thinking? I was like, I 10 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: was extremely for me. I was extremely embarrassed to be 11 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: in there. Now you got to see what am I doing? 12 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: Shouldn't be here? Like why why not? Shouldn't be here? 13 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: I don't you know, I'm not comfortable here, Like this 14 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: is not this is not where I'm supposed to be 15 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: this totally yeah, this is out of my element. This 16 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: is completely out of my element, completely out of my element. 17 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: I mean, did you ever think about, man, this one 18 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: session I'm through now, No, because I know I needed 19 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: to help, So you still knew that what I'm feeling 20 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: because here's what I Here's what I've signed, Here's what 21 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: I've done. So over my life. I've I'm very observant. 22 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: So we were walking into a setting. Usually I'm not 23 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: the one that's doing a lot a lot of the talking, 24 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: and me and my wife were going some places. Usually 25 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,559 Speaker 1: I'm not doing a lot of talking. So I watch people. 26 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: I watch people with the body language. I watch and 27 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: I try my best to learn, you know, learn about 28 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: the person um and learn about life and watching TV 29 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: and watching shows and reading books. And where I'm going 30 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: with this is I've seen on the news and we've 31 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: all seeing it in the news. Were the things that 32 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: I had, excuse me, the things that I was going through. 33 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 1: We've seen where those things, when combined on a long 34 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: period of time, our disastrous for a married couple. For 35 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: what what if one day, you know, I'm not in 36 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: control of myself, I have drinks and we do have 37 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: another argument like that, and instead of me losing control 38 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: and doing that to the wall that I hit my wife. 39 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. So I knew I needed 40 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: help and there's no way I would ever put my 41 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: hand on Connie. So I was like, you know what 42 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: if I got to sit through this embarrassment, I'm gonna 43 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: sit through this embarrassment because I'm not putting my hand 44 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: on her. You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna do whatever. 45 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do whatever I need to do to get 46 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: to the place that I need to get to so 47 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: I can see who I really am. And So what 48 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: the vetericin did for me? Was it? It flat talk? 49 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: It took me down from my emotions, from listening to 50 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: my emotions too much, so and I did not like 51 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: the way it made me feel to be honest with you, 52 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: but I knew I needed the medicine. So through how 53 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,839 Speaker 1: many sessions before you I can't remember, Okay, I'll take 54 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: what you're recommending, like I can't remember to be honest 55 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: with you. Once you took it felt a certain day. 56 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: I didn't like it. So how did you stay with that? 57 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: So I did it. But during the same time, the 58 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: ultimate medicine was being given to me. So I began 59 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: to go to Bible studies more. Mark Woodard for a 60 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: line form a lineback and for the front of lever Eagles, 61 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: invited me to his Bible study. Uh. He and his 62 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: wife invited me and kind to their Bible studies. I 63 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: would go and I would spend more time with in 64 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: Bible study with Pastor cedric I think his name with 65 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: the Pastor cedric Um. And I went cold turkey from 66 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,119 Speaker 1: Uh And I didn't mention this earlier what you got, 67 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: but I went cold turkey for I mentioned this earlier 68 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: cold turkey from the medicine because I did not like 69 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: the way that meant me felt. I feel like as 70 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: far as energized, because I'm an energy dude. Get Yeah, 71 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: it was bringing me like down, making me flatline too much. Uh. 72 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: And I misspoke earlier. I was the playout. The playoff 73 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: is not when all this happened. This actually happened after 74 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: my rookie year. The playoff is what the run and 75 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: all that stuff is what makes the anxiety even grow 76 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: correct depression. Yeah, the pressure of things. I said, Okay, 77 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make this oath. I don't have to make 78 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: an oath, I know what, but this is just where 79 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: my mind where my mind was at the two. So 80 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: what I said is, Lord, this is what I'm gonna do. 81 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop drinking specific things, the things that I 82 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: was you overly like doing at that time. I'm gonna 83 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: stop doing these things. I'm gonna take these ear rings 84 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: out of my ear because vanity thing, because I was 85 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: thinking about. What I was thinking about is what do 86 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: I love the most? What am I? What do I 87 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,679 Speaker 1: what do I really um care about right now the most? 88 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: So that drinking was one of those things. The music 89 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: that I'm listening to, I'm gonna go go to cold 90 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: Turkey on. So I stopped listening to I went spacially. 91 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: I went strictly to listening to gospel music and jazz. 92 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: So it was gospel of music and jazz, that type 93 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: of that, that type of music. Um, I stopped drinking 94 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: um beer because I loved beer. Beer was my drink. 95 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: And I said, what I'm gonna do is I'm not 96 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: gonna drink beer anymore. I'm gonna give my life over 97 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: to you completely, and I'm gonna I'm gonna follow you 98 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: and wherever you take me is what I'm going to do. 99 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: So I have not consumed beer or like it was 100 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: beer and it was I think it was vodka at 101 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: that time. I have not consumed either one of those 102 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: since my rookie year, either one of them. So in 103 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: the ear rings, you know, they're gone. So these are 104 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: the things that I said, this is the oath that 105 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: I have I'm giving to you. I'm going to do 106 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: these things, get rid of these things, and I'm gonna 107 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: dedicate myself to you. And I'm going cold turkey off 108 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: this medicine. And so that's where my spiritual life took off. 109 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: That's when I begin to grow. I began to receive 110 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 1: different revelations from the Word of God. As i'm I 111 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: began to journal more I am and I have volumes 112 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: and volumes of things, and I journals over the years, 113 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: especially during that time, and as I began to grow, 114 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: and so um, that's when that's when, like I believe, 115 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: Brian Dawkins really first woke up. Like I believe that 116 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: I was born, but my mom, I was born again 117 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: when I sent the Crist into my life. But I 118 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: believe that I, like truly was unleashed to explore and 119 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: see who Brian Dawkins was when I when I did that, 120 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: when I made that oath, when I said this is 121 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do, when I stopped taking that stuff, 122 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: and then I began to live and obviously this is 123 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: what the this is what the unfinished product looks like. 124 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: So I can't see I can't wait to see what 125 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: he's gonna do going forward, some of the other things 126 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: he has in story, and just listening to you and 127 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: then others that are gonna listen this was your spiritual journey, 128 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: your direction and your past and what you since the 129 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: Lord had called you to do specifically so important, yes, 130 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: so important that that others understand the journey. It may 131 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: be different for them. Uh. The other thing uh b 132 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: is um, it's a mental deal. When I'm listening to you. 133 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: One thing, you seem to always have self awareness when 134 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: you say you go to the restaurant and then you 135 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: you listen, right, and then you learn from life and 136 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: you can have all of this going on. Why everybody 137 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: else is talking something like right, So it's it's very 138 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: good self learned. The other thing that's helped me with 139 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: this relationship with Christ is to realize my thoughts are 140 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: not m meaning I can have a thought and stand 141 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: separate from it. If the thoughts were me, that I 142 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: would have to do what I think. So that's when 143 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: I started realizing. And then I'm listening to you and 144 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: then for you your dedication and then the medicine just 145 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: felt you had lost yourself, right, you have lost to 146 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: be even to get your energy right at least for you. 147 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: And then now I'm listening to you and how you 148 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: manage your life and now you're sharing your story and 149 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: the other thing you're you're not You're not hiding. It's 150 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: not like you're vulnerable. That's huge from communities that many 151 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: of us come from. Right this be dog, this powerful 152 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: sixty year VET Hall of Famer Philanthropists community leader mentor 153 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: is set here telling us I had to go get help. 154 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and and you know, don't don't get it 155 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: like twisted, Like I still don't have to use my 156 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: breathing exercises to get through stuff today, Like there's a 157 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: self awareness about myself? Okay, how can I? How can I? UM? 158 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: I believe that we have been given so many things 159 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: to utilize to empower us, to strengthen us, to help us. 160 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: Um that we don't utilize the power of breathing is 161 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: a very powerful thing to be to be able to 162 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: breathe through How did I come up with this? How 163 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: did I come up with this understanding? I watched my 164 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: wife who we're blessed to have four babies. I watched 165 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: in those sessions the tell women that they can what 166 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: session you're talking about need to make sure Lamars comes 167 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: Lamar's class, My bad Lama's classes. So I watched in Lamars. 168 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: Let's tell us about this here, man. Okay, okay, okay. 169 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: The X Man, yes, the web X, the weapon X Wolverine, Yeah, 170 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: is in Lamon's class absolutely, absolutely paying attention to his 171 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: wife's breathing up so lutely. Let's dude, that just told 172 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: us he's intens on the Absolutely he's going when the 173 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: quarterback gets out of his environment, I just want to 174 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: punish him. This guy is in Lamar's class absolutely to 175 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: breathe that absolute Please explain that absolutely, man. So that's 176 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: a good way to close. We just close with this 177 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: one man and put something NFL Films music to this week. 178 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: That's that's gonna be out beat room man. You go 179 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: well listen, you know, um, I was first of all, 180 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: you decided, you know, this is my first first child. 181 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 1: We have a child about just the first first first 182 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: a little bat This is a little bit now. See 183 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: obviously I've had we've had four, so I've gone through 184 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: We've gone through the classes. I don't think she did 185 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: him with the twins because we had already been through 186 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: him a couple of times, so we've gone through him 187 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: the whole time. So this is what I'm telling you 188 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: now I've learned from going through them all, but through 189 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: all the lamas. The point is that I listened to 190 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: the instructors. I don't think they were nurses, may have 191 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: been nurses. I would listen to the instructors tell us 192 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: that there are individuals that have baby. There's women excuse me, 193 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: to have babies naturally just by breathing, and they're specifically 194 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: told to breathe through the pain. So when you feel 195 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: the prank, concentrate on your breathing and specific ways that 196 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: you breathe to be able to help die from, absorb 197 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: and dispel pain, not really feel the pain. So I'm like, 198 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: that makes so much sense time. It makes sense for 199 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 1: my wife to be able to do that. How where 200 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: else can I use that? So what I would use it? 201 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: You know, you get those deep tissue massages. I would 202 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: be breathing in that and then like digging and putting 203 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: ill bowls. And because of what it does allows me, 204 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: it helps me not tighten my muscle up so that 205 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: person can get deeper into the muscle. So that's what 206 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: I was using those techniques even then. So fast forward 207 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: years later, I'm claustrophobia, had claustrophobia right. One of the 208 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: things that I was told by one of my good 209 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: a good band that I played with is TiO about 210 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: the hyperveria chamber helps you recover as you got older. 211 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: You didn't recover quick as a fact, quite as fast. 212 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: He offered that because I asked him, how do you recover? 213 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: Because he used when he broke because and he used 214 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: that years years project that as well. So I asked him, 215 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: have a very chamber, this is how you do it. 216 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 1: I'm getting one. I got one, but it's yes, it's 217 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: real small yes. So whether I fall back to get 218 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: the courage and the ability to stay in there breathing 219 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: so I was, I would breathe yes, because in there 220 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: it's about getting out fast in your mind. I can't 221 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: get out. I can't get out fast, I can't get 222 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: out fans, What am I gonna do? Man? I'm a 223 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: suffocate here. So your mind begins to go into all 224 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: these crazy places and you get anxiety and you know 225 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: I can't do it. So nope, I zip it up. 226 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: So I take takeing my deep breath deep breathing, thinking 227 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: past it, thinking about some good things, some pleasant things. 228 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: Then I get my get to get the DVD player. 229 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: We didn't have the phones, then DVD player, and I 230 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: begin to look at something and I can because I'm 231 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: not thinking about it. So continue to fast forward that 232 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: So when I began to later on develop some anxiety 233 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: about some things later on in life, for some some 234 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: things that happened to me that that begin to bring 235 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: anxiety upon me that I couldn't feel like, I couldn't breathe. 236 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: Guess what. I fell back to my breathing. So I've 237 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: been't been. I've been empowered by the power of pause 238 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: and breathing. Breathing. The ability to pause means the ability 239 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: to pause where I am, to recognize I'm still standing 240 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: where I am, my feet, my two feet, this thing 241 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: right where I am. I'm I'm not where I'm going 242 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: to be. I'm not in that place that I once was. 243 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: The thing that I might be worried about has not happened. 244 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: The things that I already has have come through and 245 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: it's not gonna come back on me. I'm actually where 246 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: I am, and I'm actually in a good place. I'm 247 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: actually fine. I'm actually good. And I began to breathe 248 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: through that to bring my heart rate down, to bring 249 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: my breathing down, and then my thoughts and the light 250 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: began to catch up with that, and they began to 251 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: fall in line with me telling them to fall in 252 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: line because I'm breathing. Does that make sense? It does, 253 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: so that piece that calm, that positivity I'm able to 254 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: now help me generate on my own just by me breathing. 255 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: I don't need I don't need an app. I don't 256 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: need other things. And I can use those things and 257 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: I do, and I do to get a deeper meditation 258 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: and some things as I pray, But I don't need 259 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: it because once again, way back when Brian was kind 260 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: of was pregnant, when Brian's julir BB, I watched the 261 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: instructors tell her that you can breathe your way through 262 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: some of the most intense pain. Think about what they say, 263 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: give me having a baby. That's that's correct, that's crazy pain. 264 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: That's something we would probably never feel, right, but they 265 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: women do that all the time. Let's get this straight. 266 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: Not only would never feel I don't and you don't. 267 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: You ladies got it. Y'all got man? As we close 268 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: this out right, when it thinks about thinking about being 269 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: calm uh, somebody helped me. What's who's the artist that 270 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: made the song? You need to calm down? Tell us 271 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: what she wrote? A song? You need to calm down right. 272 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: And once again you're reminding me, as we remind whoever 273 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: is listening, that we literally can't take a moment and breathe. 274 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: You have to. Yes, you give your life to Christ, 275 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: you commit it, but you had to learn how to 276 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: calm ryan down right. That was your responsibility, right, my responsibility. Yes, 277 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: So part of as we're in this is the possibility 278 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: right to go through no matter what it is, and 279 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: now living here beautiful land or with your families. And 280 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: the other thing I heard as I listened to you, Brian, 281 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: what's how important Connie was absolutely how your passion and 282 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: motivation to get help. So it reminds me how important 283 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: it is to have somebody we love that we're willing 284 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: to go through the pain, absolutely right to birth the 285 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: destiny for our lives. Man, Because I don't I don't 286 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: know about what I probably would have at some point, 287 00:16:54,800 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: but the clear and present discomfort felt in that moment, 288 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: the when I did what I did with my head 289 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: running through the wall um and having her look at 290 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: look at me the way she looked at me like 291 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: I didn't adn't like that. I didn't like that. What 292 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: advice would you have for legends or even current players 293 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: that if Brian can leave them with a couple of things, 294 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: what would it be? The first thing that I would say, 295 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 1: And if probably heard it before, it's like, you're not 296 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: by yourself. You're not the only one that is going 297 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: through what you're going through. Now, you're the way what 298 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: you're going through maybe is unique to you, but the 299 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: feeling that you're going through, the circumstances probably are so 300 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: similar to so many other individuals that have gone through 301 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: different things. And some of us handle them the right 302 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: way and some of us handle them the wrong way. 303 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: And you have a choice. There is a choice. That's 304 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 1: what I will also say. You do have a choice. 305 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: You don't have to continue to go down a bad path. 306 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: There's other paths. There's so much information and so many things, 307 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: so many people that care about you. That they're they're 308 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: calling in life is to have a job that helps 309 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: people through some of the things, exact things that you're 310 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: going through. God had put them in place. He's put 311 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: in their heart that the only thing that they want 312 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: to do while they're on this earth is to help 313 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: others out of the situations that they find themselves in. 314 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: So are you saying there are some pro bowlers and 315 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: all pros and Hall of famers in other fields? Absolutely helpless? 316 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: I love that, absolutely absolutely. And your family is worth it. 317 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: M your children, they're worthy. Your wife, You're worth there, 318 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: worth your mom, and that they're worth it. You are 319 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: worth it when you go through the things that you 320 00:18:54,880 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: go through and you are listening your availing will to listen, 321 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: and God begins to show you some of the things 322 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: that you needed to see why you were in those things. 323 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: When you come on the other side of it, you 324 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: like you're stronger individual I did. I never knew who 325 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: Brian Dawkins truly was until I went through some of 326 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: the stuff that I went through. I'm me now and 327 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: I'm happy to wake up every morning knowing about some 328 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: of the thing blessed things that I'll be able to 329 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: do for at somebody at some point, whether it be 330 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: on the Instagram, whether it be on Twitter, whether it 331 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: be me walking by and and and meeting somebody that 332 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: recognizes me and something like that. All of that would 333 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: have been snuffed out. Had I not got the help 334 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: that I needed, like I wouldn't I wouldn't be having 335 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: this conversation with you. My three daughters would not be born, 336 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: None of them would have been born had I listened 337 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: to that other side, had I allowed the circumstances that 338 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: I found myself in to um cause me to do 339 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: something that off to make a permanent decision off a 340 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: temporary feeling, because the thing that you're going through and 341 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: I know it's tough to hear. I know it's tough 342 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: to hear when I go through stuff. When I go 343 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: through stuff, I'll tell you this. And when I go 344 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: through stuff now, I think about, like how I'm feeling 345 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: at this moment, and how I would feel if someone 346 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: tells me that it's temporary. How how would I feel 347 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: with that? Because I want to have more empathy for 348 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: so when I just say, hey, just push through it, 349 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: I want to say, hey, listen, push through it. I 350 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,479 Speaker 1: know it's tough, but push through it. Not just hey, man, 351 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: just push through it. As a difference there and the 352 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: way that I communicate that, right, But when you do 353 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: push through it and I do have empathy for those 354 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 1: individuals who are going through Here's what I always tell them, 355 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see that you that you're going 356 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: to see after this. I can't wait to see what 357 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 1: you're gonna do with the information that you the testimony 358 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: you then will have after you go through what you 359 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: go through. I can't wait to see what you do 360 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: with it. I can't wait to see who you're gonna 361 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: bless with it with a smile on your face as 362 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: you tell them, I can't wait. I can't wait. Wow, 363 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: I can't wait. Brian, this has been an amazing podcast. 364 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: Man Enjoying the Man always touched me in such a way, 365 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: and you know, to touch so many. Thank you with 366 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: your stories, and thank you for not quitting for us, 367 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: for us whose lives are gonna change, grow and reach 368 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: potential families children the Man because Brian, with the help 369 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: of the Lord, decided I'm not quitting and it wasn't 370 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: an option. 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