1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Sports Radio that jumped from college to the NFL since 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: two thousand. Urban Meyer lasted thirteen games two and eleven. 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Matt Rule he went from Baylor to Carolina. He's ten 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: and nineteen. Cliff Kingsbury from Texas Tech to the Cardinals 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: twenty three and twenty and he seems to be on 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: the uptick. Bill O'Brien went from Penn State to the Texans. 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: He was four games over five hundred. Chip Kelly, Oregon 9 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: to the Eagles. He was five games over five hundred. 10 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: Doug Marone went from Syracuse to the Bills, two games 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: under five hundred, Greg Ciano Rutgers to the Buccaneers, ten 12 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: games under five hundred. Jim Harbaugh Stanford to the Niners. 13 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: He was forty four nineteen and one. Bobby Petrino he 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: was three and ten. Another guy who lasted thirteen games 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: went from Louisville to the Falcons. And Nick Saban Lsu 16 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: to the Dolphins. He was two games under five hundred. 17 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: Steve Spurrier Florida to Washington, eight games under five hundred. 18 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 1: Butch Davis Miami to the Browns. He was eleven games 19 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: under five hundred. We'll talk to Jimmy Johnson about that 20 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: leap going from college to the NFL. He did it well, 21 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: became a Hall of Famer. He'll join us coming up. 22 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: We knew recent history wasn't on the Jags side when 23 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: they hired urban Meyer, because, as I just pointed out, 24 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: a lot of these prolific college coaches don't have success 25 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: in the NFL, and I'm sure Shad Khan thought urban 26 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: Meyer was going to be an exception. The team was 27 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: plagued by controversy from the day he got there. Now 28 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: you have the latest report that is former kicker got 29 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: kicked in the leg. Josh Lambo. Josh Lambo had this 30 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: to say about the incident. I see Urban come up 31 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: to me out of the corner of my eye. He 32 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: comes up to me and he says, hey, dip another 33 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: word maker ff and kicks and then proceeds to kick 34 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: me right in the leg, right in the hamstring, also 35 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: on the leg on the hip that kept me out 36 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: for twelve games last year. And I couldn't believe it happened. 37 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: I looked up at him and I said, don't you 38 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: ever kick me again. This was an interview first coach 39 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: news in Jacksonville, and then Josh Lambo was asked if 40 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: he thought Urban was fit to coach the Jags. This 41 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: is before he got fired. How fit do you feel 42 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: coach Urbermeyer is to lead the Jaguars organization? For me, 43 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: I would say completely unfit. And that is my observation 44 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: from what I saw a day in and day out 45 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: for a lot of months this year. The way that 46 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: he treats the guys in the locker room, there's this 47 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: pompous nature that he has. He can get away with anything. 48 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: You know, I see myself as a Jaguar, and I 49 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: certainly don't see him that way. Urban's demise shows the 50 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: difference between college in the NFL. You know, coaches have 51 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: total autonomy where they not only run the team, but 52 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: in a lot of cases, they run the whole town. 53 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: Urban was used to doing what he wanted to do 54 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: as long as he won games, and he won games 55 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: every place he stopped. And maybe we would give him 56 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: a little more leeway if his team was good. But 57 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: there are two and eleven. It was a bad fit 58 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: from the beginning. As I said, when urban Meyer got 59 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: fired or hired, I should say a source told me 60 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: Ryan Day, the current Well Ohio state head coach, would 61 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: have been a better higher than urban Meyer because he 62 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: would do better at developing Trevor Lawrence. Because we haven't 63 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: thought about or talked about Trevor Lawrence and there's a 64 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: lack of development there with him, and in large part 65 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: because they don't have the right person to be able 66 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: to do that now. Daryl Bevell has been an offensive coordinator, 67 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: he was with Russell Wilson. I want to be fair 68 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: to him, but there was a lack of development with 69 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence right now. And I don't think too many 70 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: people have talked about Trevor Lawrence. He's the number one 71 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: overall pick we to, you know, talk about Zach Wilson. 72 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: Zach hasn't done anything with the Jets, but Trevor Lawrence 73 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: has done very little in Jacksonville as well. Urban Meyer 74 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: maybe steps back, maybe figures out how to rebuild his career. 75 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: Maybe this is it, but there's a lot of different 76 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: scenarios that can take place here. I think this job 77 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: is a great job, and the reason is they have 78 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: a lot of salary cap money. You have what could 79 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: be a franchise quarterback and you play in a division 80 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: that you can win. I mean, you're in a division 81 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: where you don't have a great quarterback in that division. 82 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: And if you're going to follow Urban Meyer, okay, people 83 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: are going to give you a little bit more patience there. 84 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: And I think this could be a great opportunity for 85 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: a coach to come in, help develop Trevor Lawrence, take 86 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: advantage of the salary cap, get some people in there. 87 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: And you know, you look at Ryan Tannehill is not 88 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: a great quarterback. The Texans don't have a quarterback right now, 89 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: and Carson Wentz is We're not quite sure like you 90 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: can you can compete in this division. And I think 91 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: you can compete quickly in this division. But you know, 92 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: this was this was starting to be systemic where Urban. 93 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: I mean, this is how Urban coaches now. He intimidates, 94 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: he belittles his assistant coaches. You can get away with 95 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: it when you're winning. You know, you win ten games, 96 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: eleven games Florida, Ohio State and he does win in 97 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: college and he's better suited for college. And we pointed 98 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: that out that when you come in and you have that, 99 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: you have to work with players in the NFL. There's 100 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: an adjustment period there there's a personality adjustment period where 101 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: you have to go, let me read the room here, 102 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,119 Speaker 1: because you can't go in and go, hey, you guys, 103 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm great and you suck and you're talking to your 104 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: coaches that way, Well, who hired the coaches you did? 105 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: So how great are you that you hired coaches who 106 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: aren't good and then you belittle them? And in college, 107 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: nobody's going to speak out of turn. There's no leaks 108 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: at Florida, there's no leaks at Ohio State. Your local 109 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,799 Speaker 1: media is on your side. You get to the NFL, 110 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: these coaches are probably going can you believe this game? Like? 111 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: What's he done? Who were you? These players? These players 112 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: are going who I don't care what you did at 113 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: Ohio State or Florida. Welcome to the NFL, where every 114 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: day you play Alabama. And then you're going to kick 115 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: a player. They have a player's union. You can't kick him. 116 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't kick anybody, but in the NFL, 117 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: I mean, these are grown ass men. They're not gonna 118 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: put up with this. But this was the last straw 119 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: because it felt like Shad Khan didn't want to let 120 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: Urban my are in the building today and I'm sure 121 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: there'll be some settlement, some payout here Urban and will 122 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: eventually have something to say at some point here. But 123 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: you know, he didn't handle this well. The enormity overwhelmed him. 124 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: It felt like he was in over his head. But 125 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: it starts with when you think you're better than everybody else. 126 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: You know what's great when somebody tells you that you're 127 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: better than everybody else, not you telling everybody you're better 128 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: than everybody else, and you walk in with that ego 129 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: and they'll show you the door. It just doesn't last long. 130 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: And it certainly seemed to play out that way in Jacksonville, 131 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: where it was a question of what he stepped down 132 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: quote unquote due to health reasons again, and I think 133 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: that was the prevailing thought. And as far as who 134 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: could step in there, you know, maybe they give Byron 135 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: Leftwich now he's working with Tom Brady in Tampa. Maybe 136 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: Eric b Enemy gets an opportunity here, Brian Dable, who'd 137 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: done a great job with Josh Allen and Buffalo. But 138 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: I'd love to know what the buyout is going to 139 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: be because that I'd have great, great curiosity with what 140 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: are they going to pay you? This program brought to 141 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: you by the great folks at Panini. The Panini Trading 142 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: Cards hottest Rookie's biggest Superstars, old time greats, only place 143 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: to collect them all. Panini Trading Cards the official trading 144 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: cards of the DP show for Instant Classics, autograph cards, 145 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: Member Billia cards, rare inserts and more. Starter Continue your 146 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: collection now at Panini America dot Net. Here's Trevor Lawrence 147 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: on what goes on in Jacksonville. Yeah, I mean, you're 148 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: always going to have some form of drama. I've learned 149 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: that even just the NFL is just more drama in 150 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: general than the college no matter where you're at. But 151 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: you're right, I mean there's been a lot and yeah, 152 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: to your point, I do think that has to change. 153 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: And you know that's something that we need to work 154 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: for sure, So you can't always be in the headlines. 155 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: You start to go play football, and that's where we're 156 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: trying to get and I have no doubt we'll get there. 157 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: Probably thinking I should have stayed in college, although Clemson 158 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: didn't have a good year this year, but yeah, and 159 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: then you know, people immediately said, how about Dabo Sweeney, 160 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: and I go, haven't we already had a marquee college 161 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: coach coach of the Jags. Let's not do that. Let's 162 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: go opposite. Now, you bring in Dabo. He can help 163 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: develop Trevor Lawrence. Good luck with that. You don't think 164 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: that urban connected with the players, you know, until Dabo 165 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: comes to town, that's not a good idea. But maybe 166 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: you get one of these offensive coordinators who gets the 167 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: opportunity there. But now you're ahead of everybody. Now you've 168 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: got a chance to the you know, the job search 169 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: is open right now, and as crazy as it may sound, 170 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: I would still I'd still be interested in Ryan Day 171 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: at Ohio State. He may not want to leave. You know, 172 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: there's talk that he could be attached to the Chicago 173 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: Bears job, but you know, all indications are he'll eventually 174 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: be a head coach in the NFL. You may not 175 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: want to go back to the college ranks, but if 176 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: you do, Ryan Day would be at the top of 177 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: my list. Yeah. Point. I saw a couple of reports 178 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: of what the payout would be. It's not a buyout Forrbermyer, 179 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: but what he's owed it could be over fifty million 180 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: dollars as of right now on paper. Now there a 181 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: couple of people like Florida and others have written that 182 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: if they could fire him for cause and have more 183 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: of an incident that caused his firing, then it would 184 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: be easier to claw back the money or not pay 185 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: him at all. Well, you have the incident. Yes, he 186 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: kicked a kicker. That's interesting. Yeah, Lou Holtz lasted thirteen 187 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: games when he coached the Jets. Bobby Petrino thirteen games 188 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: when he coached the Falcons. Urban Meyer thirteen games with 189 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: the Jags. Stead of the day, stat of the day, 190 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: but stat of the day, stat of the day he 191 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: comes that what stat of the day? Whole question? McLevin. Okay, 192 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 1: this is a Paul special and it's a hard one 193 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: to answer. Who coaches first, John Gruden or Urban Meyer. 194 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Urban Meyer. I'm gonna say Urban because 195 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 1: he can go back to being that personality in college 196 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: that helped him become a Hall of Fame coach. And 197 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know how big a university like 198 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: John's got to overcome other things of what we're written 199 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: in those emails that might be a little bit tougher. 200 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: I mean, Urban had baggage anyway when he was doing 201 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: the Fox pregame show when people brought up USC and 202 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: I was told adamantly he's not getting the job at USC. 203 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: They can't hire him. And then I thought, Okay, they 204 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: gave him an offer he couldn't refuse in the NFL. 205 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: John Gruden got an offer he couldn't refuse in the 206 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: NFL because John could have stayed and done Monday Night 207 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: football for the next ten years if he wanted to. 208 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: Urban could have stayed in TV. But you know what, 209 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: these guys are fixers. They always think that they're better. Hey, 210 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: I can do this, I can be better than the 211 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: next guy. Hey, I want in college. I can win here, 212 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: and it's not that easy. Yeah, Ton, With the increased 213 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: use of the transfer portal, is there a concerned that 214 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: a college would hire Urban Meyer and some of these 215 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: guys would be like, Oh, I'm out of here. I 216 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: can do what I'm doing at another school that may 217 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: be just as good as wherever Urban might get hired 218 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: and not have to do with that. Well, he's not 219 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: gonna get hired now, you know, unless somebody leaves a 220 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: college job for an NFL job than maybe, But I'm 221 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: gonna guess Urban's gonna sit down for a little while, 222 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: maybe survey the situation here, talk to his family, see 223 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: if he needs to do this, wants to do this 224 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: health reasons why, Yeah, but you in college, you'd have 225 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: the transfer portal, but you do want to be attached 226 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: to a program that wins as well. I'm sure Nick 227 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: Saban's really tough on his players. I'm probably pretty sure 228 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 1: that Nick Saban runs with an iron fist, but he's 229 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: also playing in a national championship game every year and 230 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: he's now churning out Heisman Trophy winners. You can be tough, 231 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: but I think players want to see the end result 232 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: of Okay, I'm gonna follow you only so far, and 233 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: then after a while you're going, why am I following 234 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: this guy? Like I don't want to fall off a cliff, 235 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: and that's what we're gonna do. And I thought he 236 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: was going to be fired after London, but you know, 237 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: he lasted thirteen games and that you know, they won 238 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 1: a couple of games that took a little bit of 239 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: the pressure off of what happened in the bar in Columbus, Ohio. 240 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: But from the outset, look at the timeline, he just 241 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: didn't get anything right. And it's not like you go, oh, 242 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: you know he's too old. He's fifty seven. That's not 243 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: old at all. I mean he's what ten years maybe 244 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: a little more younger than Nick Saban. He's like thirteen 245 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: years younger than Pete Carroll, thirteen years younger than Saban. 246 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: So you know, he's got an opportunity to coach again, 247 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: and somebody will give him a chance. It's just he learned, 248 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: as a lot of these coaches learn, you get humbled 249 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Yeah, McLevin. I mean he went through 250 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: a lot, even in Ohio State, and still got the 251 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: best recruits every year. He got. His last recruit is 252 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: justin Fields, I think right before he left. Thanks for 253 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to 254 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday morning nine to noon Eastern 255 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: or six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find 256 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: your local station for The Dan Patrick Show at Fox 257 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 258 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching f s R, or 259 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: stream us live on the Peacock Act. Jimmy Johnson joins us, 260 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: Is that right, Jimmy? I was the first one in 261 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: after that, Um, the difference between coaching and college in 262 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: the NFL today as opposed to win you did it 263 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: is what you know? Dan, Uh not too off alone. 264 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: Ago Terry Bradshaw asked me on the show. He said, 265 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: what's the difference in college coaching and pro coaching and 266 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: coaching the game? I said, you know, Terry, there's not 267 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: a world of difference. There's a galaxy of difference. If 268 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: you really you can't compare it. I mean, I could 269 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: go on and on and on. If you're in one 270 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: of the top ten programs in college football, you know, 271 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: the difference in the talent is so vast. Uh, you're 272 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: gonna win ten games just by showing up. So a 273 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: lot of times it's hard to evaluate a college coach 274 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: going into pro football. The other thing is, you know, 275 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: as opposed to grown men that are working for a living. 276 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: You know, in college, you're a mentor, you're a father figure. 277 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: You know, they're young kids that left home for the 278 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: first time in their life. You know, they've got all 279 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: kinds of problems, girlfriend problems, academic problems. You know, they're homesick, 280 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: and so you end up spending a half year time 281 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: counseling them. In professional football, they're grown men working for 282 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: a living. You know, they have a job, and how 283 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: well you do depends on how much money they're gonna make. 284 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: H So you know, they're a little bit more skeptical 285 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: than an eighteen year old kid. The length of the 286 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: season own, Like I said, I could go on and 287 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: on a home you know. The I remember when Spece 288 00:16:55,120 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: Steve Spurrier went to the Redskins. He said, oh, hey, 289 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: you look at the practice fields and he said, well, 290 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: this is the offensive practice field. He said, is that 291 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: the defensive practice field down there? They said, hey, you 292 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: only got fifty three players. We don't have we don't 293 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: have enough players to have two two groups going. It's 294 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: not like college where you've got a hundred players. But 295 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: there's a world of difference between the two. Where did 296 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: Urban go wrong? Oh yeah, you know, I think the 297 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: mishaps have been chronicled, uh, you know, quite a bit, 298 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: and I don't want to file on. You know a 299 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: lot of things happened. Uh Number one. You know, you 300 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: know when I went to the Dallas Cowboys, I took 301 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: the staff with me that I had at Oklahoma State. 302 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: A lot of them had been with me at University 303 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh, and but they were my Oklahoma state coaches, 304 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,719 Speaker 1: and they were my University of Miami coaches that'd been 305 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: with me for ten fifteen years. So you know, there 306 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: was never a cheek in New Harbor. You know. You know, 307 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: if some disgruntled veteran might say, hey, we don't need 308 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: to do it this way, well, the entire staff would say, hey, 309 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: wait a minute, we're going to do it the way 310 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: Jimmy wants to do it, you know, So there was 311 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: never any discussion about how we were going to do it. 312 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: It was one voice with Urban. You know, he had 313 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: coaches from all over and you know from reports, you 314 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,479 Speaker 1: know there were you know, some dysfunction you know with 315 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: the coaching staff. It's you know, it's a difficult thing. 316 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: He took over. He took over a job, but it 317 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 1: was difficult a team that hadn't won. But I did 318 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: the same thing. Dollars. You know, people will realize Tom 319 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: Landry was one of the greatest coaches of all time, 320 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: but he had had three straight losing seasons, and not 321 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: only three straight losing seasons, they had the worst record 322 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: in the NFL. So it wasn't a matter of coaching, 323 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: it was talent. And that's the thing that I was 324 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: able to do is you know I was able to 325 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: jump start it with all those trades by you know, 326 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: bringing in more talent. Did you pick Troy? Yeah? Oh please. 327 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: I was in Troy's home when he was a sophomore 328 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: in high school. Yeah. Yeah. In fact, I worked on 329 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: Troy for about three years and he was going to 330 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: commit to Oklahoma State. Uh. And then his last weekend 331 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: he went and visited Oklahoma going to throw the ball 332 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: and he stuck him in a whist bomb. What do 333 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: you think happened that weekend, Jimmy with Troy? You know, 334 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: young colored kids, just like my oldest son was going 335 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: to go to Stanford. We were all set and he 336 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: went and visit the Texas the last weekend. Brad Anchors 337 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: called me and said, hey, Jimmy says, you know, Brent 338 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: just committed to Texas and my wife says, oh no, 339 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: he didn't. He's going to Stanford. You know, those last 340 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: weekends tell young kids that sometimes they can be swayed. 341 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: You have coaches who are successful in college, and as 342 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: you said, for a lot of them, you win ten 343 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: games just talent alone. But then you not that you 344 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: getting used to losing, but you have to be able 345 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: to sort of accept it a little bit like you were. 346 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: You were losing that first year. I know you don't 347 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: want to lose, but you can't let it eat you up, 348 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: Kenya or did it it almost? I mean I remember 349 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: after that sixteenth game, I walked up with my Brenda Bushnell, 350 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: who did my TV show. I brought her in from 351 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: Miami with me. In fact, I brought you know, the 352 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: you know, the trainers, administrative assistants, equipment people, you know. 353 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: I brought all of them. Be mind and called Jerry 354 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: fired everybody after we got there. But but I told 355 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 1: Brenda and she said, hey, well, coach, I know that 356 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: you're really down. You know I would just physically and 357 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: mentally drained. And she said, but we can take your 358 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: TV show tomorrow morning at nine o'clock. I said, Brenda, 359 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: get one of the assistants to do it. I can't 360 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: do it. I said, I'm gonna grab Ronda and we're 361 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: going to the Bahamas. I got to get out of here. 362 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's difficult. But now we made some moves. 363 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: Now we traded away our only Pro Bowl player, you know, 364 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: we we I traded away to starting quarterbacks Steve Buller 365 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: to Kansas City, I released the leading receiver, so we 366 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 1: made some moves that probably cost us two or three games. 367 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: But I wasn't worried about that particular year. I wanted 368 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: to make sure we built a team that could win 369 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: in the future. And in the second year, had Troy 370 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: not hurt his shoulder, we would have probably made the 371 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: playoffs the second year. So we were building for the future. 372 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: But were you in jeopardy of getting fired or quitting? Oh? Please, 373 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: if if I'd have gotten fired, I'd made more money 374 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: than what I did after five years, because I had 375 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: a ten year of contract. I'd had nine years of 376 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: bonus for the money. When's the last time you got 377 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: a call to coach? Oh? You know, I had quite 378 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,479 Speaker 1: a few, you know, obviously after I left Dallas, and 379 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: then I had quite a few after I left Fox. Uh. 380 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: You know, I had to make a decision between Philadelphia 381 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: and Tampa and Miami, and you know, I wanted to 382 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: stay in South Florida once, stay home. So you know, 383 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: I took the Miami job even though their cap was 384 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: you know, horrendous. We were five million over the cap 385 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: when I took the job. And then you know, after 386 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: I left the Dolphins. Most of the calls then were 387 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: to be general manager or consultant or one thing or another. 388 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: And I even had one team. One team called says, 389 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: you know, come up and run our draft. And I said, 390 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: what do you mean, run your draft? Come up and 391 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: run the draft and pick the players. I said, I 392 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: can't do that. And I said, you know, that's take 393 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: me three months to get you up to speed as 394 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: far as the players. And I said, I can't go 395 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: up there and make the decisions. Your general manager and 396 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: your head coach. They're not gonna like that at all, 397 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: you know. And I said it won't work that way. Plus, 398 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: you can't pay me enough money to, you know, be 399 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: away from home for three months. So you told Dan 400 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: Snyder know that you wouldn't do it. I'm not divulging 401 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: the team. He's Jimmy Johnson, the Hall of Famer joining us. 402 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: Do Cowboy quarterbacks get too much credit or too much blame? Oh? 403 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: I think the entire team and every player on that 404 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: team gets too much credit and too much blame. There's 405 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: so much visibility with the Dallas Cowboys around the country, 406 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: around the world. Every every week they're either the greatest 407 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: it's ever been or they're the worst it's ever been. Yeah, 408 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of opinions on every Dallas Cowboy and 409 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: that's the way it is. And you just accept that. 410 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: You know, when I left ESPN, I didn't want ESPN 411 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: to be successful. Now I left on my own, But 412 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if after what happened with Dallas that 413 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: you sort of when you leave, do you leave and 414 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,479 Speaker 1: go I hope that they aren't successful. No, you know, 415 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people there that I really care about, 416 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: you know. You know, I've got a big stake in 417 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, uh and so I've got a legacy 418 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: there that you know, I want the Cowboys to win. 419 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: You know, I pull for the Cowboys. You know. I 420 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: brought enriched Dad Ramble, even though he only worked for me. 421 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: I brought him to the University of Miami, and then 422 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: I brought him, you know, to the Cowboys with me, 423 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, And so there's a lot of people that 424 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: I really care about. I want him to win. Um 425 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: and you know, and Jerry and I have a strange relationship, 426 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: but I want Jerry to be successful. I wanted to win. 427 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: You know, he's the greatest businessman that's ever been but 428 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to win, you know, another Super Bowl. Has 429 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: Jerry ever been on your boat? No? Uh? Uh, and 430 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: I haven't been on his. I think his boat's a 431 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: little bigger than yours, isn't it. Yes, you had this 432 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: quote about Dak Prescott and uh you said he can 433 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: win you a championship if you've got really good players 434 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: around him. Yeah. I think there's a couple of things there. 435 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: Um you know. I think that Dak Prescott's number one 436 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: attribute is he is a great leader, great leader for 437 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: that team. And you can say that about a lot 438 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: of quarterbacks. Number one. Any quarterback's got to have good 439 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: players around them, you know. To win a championship, any 440 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: player has to have good players around them. But there 441 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: are certain quarterbacks that could win more with less. Aaron 442 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: Rodgers needs a few good players, but he doesn't need 443 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: a whole team of good players. Um you know. And uh, 444 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, Trent Dilfer, you know, wasn't as talented as 445 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, but he won a Super Bowl because he 446 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: had an unbelievable defense. And so I think there's it's 447 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: everything's relative there. I think Dak Prescott is an outstanding quarterback, 448 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: but I do believe he needs, you know, an outstanding 449 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: defense and some great players around him to win. And 450 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: you know right now he needs that running game to 451 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: get going so that he can take advantage of play 452 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: action passes and get the ball to those great receivers. 453 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 1: It was about a month ago, maybe a little bit longer, 454 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: that you said on the Fox program that you take 455 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert over Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, I've said that. In fact, 456 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: I said that about two years ago. You know, when 457 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: they were talking about the draft. I was on Collin Show, 458 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: and this is a week before the draft, and they 459 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: were telling Detroit was gonna play. Take a defensive back, 460 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: which they ended up taking. I said, take a defensive back. 461 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: I said, did you'd rather have a defensive back or 462 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback? You tell me yeah, I said, Justin Herbert. 463 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: Take Justin Herbert. They said, well you got Matthew Stafford. 464 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: I said, I don't care if they. I said I 465 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: had Troy Aikman. I thought, Steve Walsh. You know, quarterbacks 466 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: are valuable. I ended up trading Steve Walsh for a one, 467 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: two and to three. I said, you know, let him 468 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: you have Matthew Stafford. Let them bring in Justin Herbert. 469 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: Then they can make a decision, they can move one 470 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: of them. But you know, hey, a franchise quarterback is 471 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: a heck of a lot more important event a defensive back. 472 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: The other thing, Justin Herbert he had everything that I 473 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: was looking for. Yeah, and he's not the most talented 474 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: quarterback in the league right now. He's not the best 475 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. But as far as a guy 476 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: that's only in his second or third year, you know, 477 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: with his intelligence, with his ability with his arm to 478 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: build a football team, I still say I would take 479 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert. You know, I love what I see with him. 480 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: I thought it was going to take a little longer 481 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: to develop, but what he's doing has not happened before. 482 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: Like you're throwing for over thirty touchdowns your first two 483 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: seasons in the NFL, and then he's only going to 484 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: just get better. Yeah, you know, as he gets more experienced, 485 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: he's going to get better. But uh, you know, people 486 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 1: criticize me for saying that they're in the second week 487 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: of the season, but and at that time, Patrick Mahomes 488 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: was struggling a little bit. You know, he wanted to 489 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field. Obviously, Patrick Mahomes is 490 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: one of the most talented quarterbacks I've ever seen. Uh 491 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: but you know, you know, my Holmes has had a 492 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: couple of bit of injuries. You know, Herbert is a big, 493 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: strong guy, and uh, yeah, I liked what I saw. 494 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 1: If you could take justin Herbert or Troy Aikman, oh yeah, 495 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: I'm not really good at making those kind of comparisons, 496 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: not with my buddy Troy. I'll tell you what. You know, 497 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: Herbert reminds me a lot of Troy. Both of them 498 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: very smart, both of them work extremely hard, both of 499 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: them big and strong, both of them got a strong arm, 500 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: you know, and so hey, they're they're comparable, but I'm 501 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: not gonna choose. So they're kind of like Terry Bradshaw 502 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: was when he played. Uh now that's a different subject, 503 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: but he is. Actually I recruit helped recruit Terry Bradshaw 504 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: when he was a senior in high school. E. J. 505 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: Lewis and I sit in the stands at Woodlaw and 506 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: High School. That was my first job coaching at Louisiana Tech. 507 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: And I watched Terry play his senior year and he 508 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: ended up going to Louisiana Tech. But he was everybody's 509 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: number one, big strong quarterback. You could throw it all 510 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: over the field. How did he end up at Louisiana Tech? 511 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: Terry had to tell you then he lived right there 512 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: in Freeport and in Ruston. It was only about thirty 513 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: miles away. Terry probably a mama's boy and homesick and 514 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: wanted to stay clothes. He's he's definitely a family, family man, 515 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: you know, as far as his family. Uh, what do 516 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: we see about Bill Belichick? Or what do we not 517 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: see about Bill Belichick and what he does? Because it 518 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: Dan he's the best um. But what what is it though, Jimmy, 519 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: Because you you're one of my favorite, one of the smartest, 520 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, football people I've ever been around. But Belichick 521 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: just does he seems to be on a different level. Well, 522 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: we've been friends for over thirty years back when he 523 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: was at Cleveland. We made a few trades and as 524 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: the Kentucky Derby with him, uh thirty years ago. And 525 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: he comes down quite often, and you know, we visit 526 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: on occasion. Beginning an example, you know, one of the 527 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: times he came down here to the Keys and he's 528 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: always got a little bit of an agenda, you know, 529 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: and you know, I want to go in the boat 530 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: and drink here. You know, we got and we got 531 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: on the boat and he started talking about the draft, 532 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: and you know, he's saying, you know, Jimmy, he said, 533 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: you know this, and that, we've got some extra picks 534 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: here and there, and you know, he started rattling off 535 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: the players that I had drafted when I was at Dallas. 536 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: He'd already done his homework, and some of the guys 537 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: I had forgotten about it. He said, you drafted those players, 538 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: but your team was so good that you know, you 539 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: weren't able to keep them. They made another team. You 540 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: had to cut them, and they went to another team. 541 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: I said, Bill, I said, draft picks are like currency, 542 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,719 Speaker 1: They're like money. And I said, you know how every 543 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: single draft, you know you're going to be in that 544 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: round and some you know, there's gonna be five teams 545 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: calling and say he will treat you trade you next 546 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: year's two for your three. I said, so bank some 547 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: of those picks. You know. That was one year that 548 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: we fished, you know. And then a year later he 549 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: comes down and he's talking about he's got three players 550 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: that are wanting new contracts. So and he started talking 551 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: about some of the contracts that we had done. So 552 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: he's always working to get better. Yeah, you know, I've 553 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: sat with him and Linda and Ronda and I at 554 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: a restaurant. You know. Here in the off season he's 555 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: on the phone with with agents talking about, you know, 556 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: a free agent. You know, we negotiate, we'll do this, 557 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,719 Speaker 1: and that. He's always working. He's the best. Um uh. 558 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: You know, people want to compare great coaches of all time, 559 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: and obviously you look at the Tom Landry's and the 560 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: Chuck Knowles and the Don Shula's and everything else. But 561 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: that was a different era. I mean, back then, you 562 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: built your team and that team sank together for ten years. 563 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: You didn't have free agency, you didn't lose anybody. Today's football, 564 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got about fifty players or so, and 565 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: you're liable to have to you know, middle the season. 566 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: You're not to have to take somebody off the street 567 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: and have him played that week. So I think it. 568 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: I think coaching is more important today than it's ever been. 569 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: You know, used to you draft a rookie, he'd be 570 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: on the bench for about three years before he ever played. Nowadays, 571 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: you draft a rookie, he's gonna be playing it some 572 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: time during the year. So, you know, coaches have to 573 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: be great teachers, you know, they have to be better 574 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: teachers than they've ever been. Now they've got about twenty 575 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: five coaches now, they used to have about Samray, you know, 576 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: so they got a lot of teachers on their staff. 577 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: How about a show Beers with Beers on the Boat 578 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: with so you you when you have Didka, Yeah, you 579 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: could have Troy on there, maybe Jerry one day, Belishack. 580 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: I can help you produce this Beers on the Boat 581 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: with if I start listing all of the general managers, 582 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: the owners, the coaches, the pro coaches, the college coaches 583 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: that have come down here. Yeah, I've already had beers 584 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: with most all of them. I mean, you know everybody, 585 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: Bob McNair and Cal McNair, Tom Benson, you know, John Shaw, 586 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: Dean Spanos has been down here two or three times, 587 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Lori, you know me, you know, and you know 588 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: the same thing with the head coaches. So I've had 589 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,959 Speaker 1: beers with most of them anyway, But now we film it. 590 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: Now we film it, and if we film it's being 591 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: about like what David Hill wanted, great TV guys of 592 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: all time. When you're there at Fox. We have a 593 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 1: production meeting on Sunday morning for about fifteen minutes before 594 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: we go do the show, and we would laugh and 595 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: cut up and tell stories one thing and he said, man, 596 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: this is great, this is great TV. He brought a 597 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: camera in the next week. Tay a word, so you 598 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: put it. You put a camera on that boat. I 599 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: don't think you'll be telling me Larne Sailors stories. It 600 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 1: just means you have to drink more beer. Hey, everybody 601 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 1: gets quite when the red light goes on. It's great 602 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: to talk to you, Jimmy, thank you, Happy holidays, and uh, 603 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: we appreciate you joining us. All right then, Jimmy Johnson 604 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Fox NFL Sunday analysts won a couple 605 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: of Super Bowls and the National Championship at the You 606 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be 607 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine until 608 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: noon eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, 609 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: and you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at 610 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: FSR or stream us live on the Peacock app. Hey, 611 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: it's Ben, host of the Fifth Hour with Ben Maller 612 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: along with my trustee sidekick David Gascon would mean a 613 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: lot to have you join us on our weekly auditory journey. 614 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,439 Speaker 1: You're asking one in God's name is the Fifth Hour? 615 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: I'll tell you it's a spin off of the Ben 616 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: Maller show Colt Hit overnights on FSR. Why should you listen? 617 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: Picture if you will a world will we chat with 618 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: captains of industry in media, sports and more every week 619 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: explore some amazing facts about a human nature and more. 620 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: Let'sten to the Fifth Hour with Ben Maller on the 621 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Albert, 622 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,399 Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. Why was Urban fired last night? 623 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: I think it just reached the point of no return? Dan. 624 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: I mean, look, the bottom line is, you know, after 625 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: everything that had happened over the course of the last 626 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: you know, two months, going back to October. Um, you know, 627 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 1: I think the question Shot Kahn had to ask himself 628 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: was our people in this building still responding to Urban Meyer? Um? 629 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes perception can become reality and um, 630 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: you know, I I think when the you know report 631 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: from NFL dot com. You know, Tom pelliserah did a 632 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: great job with that last week. You know, when that surfaces, 633 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: and you know, then you have um, you know, the 634 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: former kicker Josh Lambo coming out and saying what he 635 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: had said to Rick stroud Um yesterday. You know, the 636 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: green lights on for everybody who has an issue, everybody 637 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: who has NAX to grind to come out and say 638 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: something about it. And at that point, you know, the 639 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: question becomes is this the right environment for our young 640 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: players to be in over the next month? And clearly, 641 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, the answer to that question for shodkn was no. 642 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: The situation was untenable going forward, and that's why he 643 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 1: had to make this move. What do you think is 644 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: going to happen with that contract? It's a great question 645 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: because I don't know, Like I don't know that you 646 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: can fire and for cause for the Lambo thing, because 647 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: I mean, like logistically, and I'm not a lawyer, but like, logistically, 648 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: I look at it, and it happened in August. And 649 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: if it happened in August and Shad Khan knew about 650 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: it and decided to go forward with him and let 651 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: him coach out three quarters of an NFL season, then 652 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: in his mind, did it really like rise to the 653 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: level of a fire for a cause sort of offense 654 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: logic would tell you know. Um, So, I mean my 655 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: guess is behind the scenes, some sort of settlement has 656 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: worked out and that maybe we never hear about that. 657 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: But um, you know, I don't know that they can 658 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: really fire him for a cause based on what we've 659 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: seen to this point, um, and based on what we 660 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: know to this point. As unhealthy as that building was, 661 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: the one thing that I think would maybe potentially rise 662 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: to that level was something that that that that that 663 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: happened in August and that according to all accounts, the 664 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: owner knew about right after it happened. Who's more likely 665 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: to get another job first, Urban or John Grudden. I 666 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 1: don't think either. I'm a work in the NFL again, 667 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll just be honest. Well, Urban can't. But college, yeah, 668 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 1: And I just like so, I talked to Urban about 669 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: this in the summer. Dan and I didn't sense a 670 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: great desire to go back to college. And I think 671 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: the main reason why is because I think recruiting had 672 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,240 Speaker 1: worn him out. I think the twenty four seven nature 673 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: of it, you know, had sort of become an issue 674 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: for him as he had gotten older. And I think 675 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: any coach that's moved from college. The NFL would tell you, 676 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, one of the biggest benefits is getting away 677 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: from basically having to live your life twenty four seventh 678 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: for a phone at the whims of sixteen and seventeen 679 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: year olds, because recruiting controls who wins and loses at 680 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: that level, you know. And so I don't know that 681 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: he would want to dive into the world of recruiting, 682 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 1: not to mention what it's become since he left with NIL, 683 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: with the transfer portal and everything else, and so you know, 684 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: maybe like that's just you know, his obsession with competition 685 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,040 Speaker 1: pushes him back into it. But I think if he 686 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: asked him right now, he'd probably tell you that he's 687 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: probably coached his last game. Yeah, I just don't see it. 688 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: You know. These guys are so ego maniacal, and yeah, 689 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: I mean, he's only fifty seven. He might appear to 690 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: be an unhealthy fifty seven, but it's still only fifty seven. 691 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 1: And I don't know these guys all think they can 692 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: fix something. I mean the question the other question, though, 693 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 1: Dan is right, like who's going to hire him at 694 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: this point? Like and look like we've seen cases where 695 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: guys have gotten back up on the like Q Freeze 696 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: got back on his feet, right, Bobby Petrino got back 697 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: on his feet. So we've seen examples of it. But 698 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: does urban want to take a step back because I 699 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: don't know, Like, would you USC hire him right now? No? 700 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Would Texas hire him right now? 701 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: So him going back to college coaching, like what level 702 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: would that require him going in on? You know? And 703 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,720 Speaker 1: does he want to do that? Like if he doesn't 704 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,240 Speaker 1: have the stage of an Ohio State or of Florida, 705 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 1: does he want to go back and coach it? And 706 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'll throw a name out there like 707 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: an Iowa State, you know what I mean, or at 708 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: Oregon State, like does he want to do that? I 709 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: don't know. It's hard for me to see because you know, 710 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,320 Speaker 1: if recruiting was an issue for him when he was 711 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: at Ohio State, boy, let me tell you, it's not 712 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: going to be easier if you're going to one of 713 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: those like tier two power five jobs, much less some 714 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: sort of bid major. And I could see a scenario 715 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: where Ryan Day eventually goes to the NFL. Yeah, Luke 716 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: Fickle takes over at Ohio State. You know, because I've 717 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: already had a couple of people say, could you see 718 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: Urban if Ryan Day left going back to Ohio State, 719 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: And I go, I don't see that. I would think 720 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: that they would look at Luke Fickle before they would 721 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: or Matt Campbell. I mean, like, I like, there are 722 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 1: people who would line up. There are young people who 723 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,760 Speaker 1: I think would line up for that job. Luke Fickle 724 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 1: certainly as the respect of a lot of people in 725 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: that place, and you know, I think he would be 726 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 1: a candidate. And Matt Campbell, I can tell you for 727 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:52,919 Speaker 1: a fact, Dan, I don't know if this is even 728 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,720 Speaker 1: out there, but in twenty nineteen, twenty and eighteen two nineteen, 729 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: before they turned to Ryan Day, they took a very 730 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 1: very hard look at bringing Matt Campbell over from Iowa 731 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 1: State before deciding to go with Ryan Days. So there 732 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: are a couple of guys in Fickle and Campbell who 733 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: are from Ohio where that would qualify as their dream 734 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,760 Speaker 1: job that I think that that Ohio State would probably 735 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: go to before they go back to Urban. Now that said, 736 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: he was an administrator at Ohio State, right, and you 737 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,319 Speaker 1: know he's obviously still close with Ryan Day. So does 738 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: the possibility exist that maybe he goes back in some 739 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: sort of administrative role to Ohio State helps Ryan day Out. 740 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: I think that's possible. How attractive is the Jacksonville john 741 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: You know, I think it was way more attractive a 742 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: year ago because a year ago you had you knew 743 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: you were getting Trevor Lawrence. So in either case, twenty 744 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 1: twenty one, twenty twenty two, you're getting Trevor Lawrence. Last 745 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: year you had a blank slate, you had all the 746 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 1: cap space, you had all the draft picks, and you 747 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,359 Speaker 1: don't have all of that this time around. Now, Like 748 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: the draft picks are on the roster, but you don't 749 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: get to make those picks yourself. Some of the cap 750 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,320 Speaker 1: money spent, so you don't get to spend that yourself, 751 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: you know. So, and there are those drawbacks. I don't 752 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 1: think the location is the most most most attractive to 753 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: a lot of coaches going and living in Jacksonville, Florida 754 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: have to attract players to Jacksonville, Florida. That's not the 755 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: most attractive. So that's not the best situation in the league. 756 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,320 Speaker 1: And then you know, I mean, the owner hasn't shown 757 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 1: that he can win. I mean, let's call it what 758 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,399 Speaker 1: it is. And I think we all like Sean Cohn, 759 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 1: is he more successful than Jimmy Haslam right now as 760 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: an owner? Nor like, like where would he rank like 761 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,399 Speaker 1: based on what he's done in ten years? Where would 762 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 1: he rank like near the bottom? Right? So look, I 763 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,240 Speaker 1: think you have to add all those things together. That said, 764 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: there's still a chance to work with Trevor Lawrence right, Like, 765 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: there's still a young roster with Pump promising young pieces 766 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,880 Speaker 1: on it. Travis ATM We'll see what he becomes. You 767 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 1: got Josh Allen on the defensive side of the ball. 768 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: You got some veteran pieces like Miles Jack So like, 769 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: there's something to work with there. And I think because 770 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks attractive. But I don't think it's played 771 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 1: as attractive as it was a year ago. I was 772 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:07,800 Speaker 1: wondering Byron Leftwich, yeah, Buck's offensive coordinator. I mean, imagine 773 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: if Tom Brady today had a press conference and just said, 774 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, hey, I don't know what jackson gonna do. 775 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 1: Jacksonville is going to do, but you know, I would 776 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 1: hate to lose Byron Leftwitch, but he's going to be 777 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 1: a head coach one like, I don't know, maybe if 778 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 1: you jump start that talk if Eric b enemy would 779 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: get a chance here Bryan Dable, who's done a great 780 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,359 Speaker 1: job with John, Like, you got to get somebody who's 781 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 1: going to develop Trevor Lawrence. And that's I mean, that's 782 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: the main thing, right, Like, I think you're sort of 783 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,360 Speaker 1: in the same situation as the Rams were in twenty sixteen, 784 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,439 Speaker 1: and that was a dysfunctional mess on the level of this, 785 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: Like the Rams were like after their first year in 786 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,840 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, coaching didn't get along with the front office. 787 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher gets fired with a month left in the season. 788 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: Jared Goff looked god awful and you remember this Dan 789 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 1: in year one, right, And so everything for them was 790 00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,839 Speaker 1: like how do we get things right in general? But like, 791 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,839 Speaker 1: how do we create the right environment for our young 792 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,839 Speaker 1: quarterback that we drafted first overall? And what do they 793 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: do well? A lot of people said, you need an 794 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 1: experienced guy to come in and clean this up. They 795 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: went in the opposite direction. They went completely in the 796 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,880 Speaker 1: other direction and maybe picked a guy that you know, 797 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: it was a year or too early, you know, at 798 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: least on paper, and it winds up being like as 799 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: big a home run of a Hires we've seen in 800 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,880 Speaker 1: the last ten years in Sean mcfay so, like, I 801 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: think the idea of bringing in a young guy who 802 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 1: can energize your building and who can revitalize your young 803 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: quarterback is good. Byron left which is a good name. 804 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,839 Speaker 1: You mentioned, Brian dave All, that's another good name. I'd 805 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 1: throw Kellen Moore, the Cowboys offensive coordinator who's helped bring 806 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,400 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott along. He's a good name. I also wouldn't 807 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 1: rule out And this one's going to be I know 808 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 1: that this is sort of a divisive one. Josh McDaniels. 809 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: I mean, like, you look at what he's done with 810 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 1: Mac Jones in Trevor Lawrence's draft class, right, And it's 811 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,360 Speaker 1: not just Mac Jones if you look at his history. 812 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: Developed Mac Castle into a quarterback who wanted a division 813 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 1: title with another team. Developed Jimmy Garoppolo into a quarterback 814 00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,840 Speaker 1: who went to a Super Bowl with another team. Developed 815 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: Kobe Bersett into a guy who's probably going to spend 816 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,800 Speaker 1: ten years in the NFL. He's got great track record 817 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 1: with quarterbacks, he's been a head coach before. And I 818 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,320 Speaker 1: will say this too, Shod Khan, Tony Kahn, that ownership 819 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 1: group they listened to Bill Belichick. One of the reasons 820 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: Doug Marrone wound up going from interim coach to full 821 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 1: time head coach in twenty and seventeen is because Bill 822 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 1: Belichick told the Cons this guy can do it. So 823 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 1: they've got history of going to Belichick. Belichick sort of 824 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 1: owes Josh McDaniels one after what happened a couple of 825 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 1: years ago with the Giants job in the Panther's job, 826 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: so it wouldn't surprise me at Bill Belichick went to 827 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,360 Speaker 1: bat for Josh McDaniels with Jacksonville. And it's not the 828 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 1: craziest idea because Josh McDaniels history of developing quarterbacks is 829 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: I think at an example or a level, what about 830 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 1: Doug Peterson who won a Super Bowl and just disappeared right. 831 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 1: And there's some interesting, you know like retread names that 832 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,440 Speaker 1: I think you're going to hear, and you know a 833 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:57,799 Speaker 1: lot of them are on the defensive side of ball, 834 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: quite honestly, like Raheem Morris, Odd Bowls, Um Dan Quinn, 835 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 1: Like those are all good names that I think you're 836 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 1: gonna here kind of go through the cycle, um this year, 837 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,399 Speaker 1: Like I think Doug Peterson's another one that's a good name. 838 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 1: And you know, obviously, like Carson Wentz benefited early in 839 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 1: his career. Now you know, one sideways later on, but 840 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,799 Speaker 1: you look early in his career, Doug Peterson was able 841 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 1: to build a staff and bring it in like Frank 842 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 1: Reich as offensive coordinator and John D. Philippo as his 843 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,200 Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach, a coach, a staff that was able to 844 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: support the young quarterback, and they got him playing at 845 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,640 Speaker 1: an MVP level by year two. And I know that team, 846 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,800 Speaker 1: you know, didn't go to the super Bowl with Carson Wentz, 847 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,879 Speaker 1: but they went to the super Bowl with Car with 848 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,400 Speaker 1: with with the team that Carson Wentz was an MVP 849 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,399 Speaker 1: candidate four. So I think Doug Peterson is a name 850 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,440 Speaker 1: that you kick around and and and makes a lot 851 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,000 Speaker 1: of sense and the beauty of it, Dan, here's the thing. 852 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,799 Speaker 1: They've got a month now, you know, before you know, 853 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,520 Speaker 1: the before we get to Black Monday, and they're even 854 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: allowed to hire somebody. And so I think you look 855 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 1: at it. If you're then this gives you the chance 856 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,000 Speaker 1: to cast a wide net. You don't need to foe 857 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 1: focus on first chance guy, retread guy, defensive guy, offensive guy. 858 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,360 Speaker 1: They've now got the time to cast that wide net 859 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 1: and look at whoever they want to look at. What's 860 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,319 Speaker 1: the current state of COVID in the NFL, and are 861 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,480 Speaker 1: any games in jeopardy? And well, it's it's interesting because 862 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 1: I don't think so. Like the NFL will tell you 863 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,680 Speaker 1: that they're not considering postponing games. I think it's gonna 864 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,319 Speaker 1: be much harder. It would be much harder to move 865 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,799 Speaker 1: games this year than it was last year, mainly because 866 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,399 Speaker 1: you got fans in the stands like last year. Yeah, 867 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,440 Speaker 1: is there a forfeit policy the forfeit, yes, But the 868 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,359 Speaker 1: forfeit policies only goes into effect if the spread within 869 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 1: a building can be traced to an unvaccinated player. In 870 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,440 Speaker 1: other words, like if I'm unvaccinated and I bring it 871 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,520 Speaker 1: into the office like then the team can be held 872 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,880 Speaker 1: responsible for that. If the players who have passed it 873 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,480 Speaker 1: around are vaccinated, then the league has said they'll do 874 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,279 Speaker 1: what they can to accommodate everybody. I mean, I think 875 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 1: they're gonna do it they can to get these games played. 876 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,800 Speaker 1: Part of the issue, though, Dan, you know, doctor Allen Sills, 877 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,759 Speaker 1: the chief medical officer for the league, went in front 878 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,319 Speaker 1: of the owners yesterday and basically said to them, this 879 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 1: is omicron. That's why this is happening with the rams, 880 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,520 Speaker 1: That's why this is happening with the Browns, and the 881 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,560 Speaker 1: problem we have right now. This is more contagious than 882 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 1: the previous strains, but it's also got milder effects. So 883 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 1: basically you're seeing something that's probably going to spread a 884 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,319 Speaker 1: little easier, but it's going to have less of an 885 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,960 Speaker 1: effect on the people involved. And that's why they've gone 886 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,879 Speaker 1: to the union, and they're talking to the union about 887 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,480 Speaker 1: finding a way to change the protocols and make maybe 888 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,600 Speaker 1: significant changes to the protocols. So a couple ideas that 889 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,680 Speaker 1: have been discussed. One is incentivizing the booster and if 890 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,520 Speaker 1: you get this, to say to players, if you get 891 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 1: the booster, then you don't have to test anymore. I 892 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 1: don't think that one's going to happen. A second idea 893 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,759 Speaker 1: that I think makes maybe a little more sense is 894 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,520 Speaker 1: if you test, going back to daily testing, and then 895 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 1: if a guy tests positive and he's asymptomatic Mattock and 896 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,279 Speaker 1: he's vaccinated, he can stay in the building. He just 897 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,440 Speaker 1: has to mask and distance and he can play. Because 898 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 1: there's been no evidence of on field transmission of the 899 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,400 Speaker 1: virus one way or another. With how quickly this spread 900 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,399 Speaker 1: between the Brown situation, the Rams situation, and really all 901 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,200 Speaker 1: seven of the teams that are in intensive protocols right now, 902 00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,239 Speaker 1: I think the league is concerned that this is the 903 00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,880 Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg and they are going to be 904 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,160 Speaker 1: put in certain circumstances where you could have a situation 905 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: like you had last year in Denver with the quarterbacks 906 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,720 Speaker 1: or New Orleans with the running backs. Great stuff, Albert, 907 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,160 Speaker 1: thanks is always for joining us. You got Dan