1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back to she Pivo. My name is Eden Gufner. 2 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: Welcome to she Pivots, the podcast where we talk with 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: women who dared to pivot out of one career and 4 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 2: into something new and explore how their personal lives impacted 5 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 2: these decisions. I'm your host, Emily Tish Sussman. Today's episode 6 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: is particularly important to me. Today I'm sitting down with 7 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: Eden Geffner, a survivor of the October seventh terrorist attack 8 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 2: in Israel. Today mark's the one year anniversary since the attacks, 9 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: and this feels like the right time to share her story. 10 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: Eden lives in Tel Aviv and iscontinuing her studies. We 11 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: often ask our guests if there's a nonprofit that they 12 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: want us to share on the website, and Eden asked 13 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: us to share Faces of October seven, which was the 14 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: organization that brought her over to the US, to share 15 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 2: her story. So you can find that link on the 16 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: sheep of its website. 17 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 3: I'm Jewish, and growing up we were always taught to 18 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 3: carry on stories of our ancestors, to never forget it's 19 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 3: deeply ingrained in our religion and our culture. So sharing 20 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: Eden's story felt not only important but necessary to me. 21 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 3: Eden lived in Kibbutz reyin a kibbutz that was part 22 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 3: of the quote Gaza envelope, meaning that it was extremely 23 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,279 Speaker 3: close to the Gaza border, just three miles in fact. 24 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 3: She grew up there among a vibrant, closely knit community. 25 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: Now twenty nine, Eden lives in Tel Aviv, but had 26 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 3: gone home to visit her parents and an old childhood 27 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 3: friend on October sixth, in twenty twenty three. Growing up 28 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 3: so close to the Gazen border, there was always a 29 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 3: sense of unease. They never felt truly safe, as Eden 30 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: will tell you in this episode, but they could have 31 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: never imagined what would unfold around them in the early 32 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 3: hours of October seventh. Eden recounts the horrowing events of 33 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 3: October seventh and how she learned from them. She speaks 34 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 3: with vulnerability, honesty, and kindness, something rare and beautiful amongst 35 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 3: all of the pain. First and foremost, Eden's experience is 36 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 3: singular and important. Her story is one of thousands from 37 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 3: that day that have been under reported, and I feel 38 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 3: honored to give her the space and the platform to 39 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 3: share her story uninterrupted. However, there are thousands of experiences 40 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 3: that have unfolded over the past year, many of them 41 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: filled with suffering, many of them not Israeli or Jewish. 42 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 3: This podcast isn't meant as a solution, but as a 43 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 3: way to showcase a story that feels important to me 44 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: as a Jewish person. The Jewish faith talks about how 45 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 3: each person contains a universe, and it breaks my heart 46 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 3: to think about what we have lost in those who 47 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 3: died Jewish and Palestinian. To say the loss has been 48 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 3: immense as an understatement, and I want to recognize the 49 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 3: suffering and the death of all. I hope you hold 50 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 3: space for Eden as you listen to this episode and 51 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: continue to stay in gain and educated. This episode contains 52 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 3: references to violence and topics that may be setting to some. 53 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: Please listen with care. 54 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: My name is Eden Gufner and I'm a student. I'm 55 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: studying a dual degree in management and psychology, and in 56 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: my free time, I'm working as a PI largist in structure. 57 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 3: Okay, so where are you from? Where were you born? 58 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: So? I was born in kibut Im, Kibot Reim. It's 59 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: located in Gaza envelope in Israel. We say Gaza envelope 60 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: because like we are the keybod seem that actually like 61 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: Circule the Gaza strip, so I was born there. I 62 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: have only two borders, big borders. I'm the little princess, 63 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: so I have to be big brothers. And my grandma 64 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: live in Tel Aviv. We're really smaller family. My mom 65 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: actually came for Buenos Ayreus. She came from Argentina, and 66 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: my father was born in Israel. But they didn't have 67 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: a connection to this area like at all. My grandpa 68 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: didn't live there, like we didn't have a friend that 69 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: lived there. But when my father was in the army, 70 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: in his weekend, he liked to come to the kibuts 71 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: because in the army you can join to a group 72 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: that going each weekend to do a kibut seem in 73 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: the south, and my father used to visit there in 74 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: the in the weekends. And my father fell in love 75 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: in this area because my area is so beautiful. It's 76 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: like the countryside of Israel, and it's just so quiet. 77 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: It's so peaceful to live there. Sometimes it's ironic that 78 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: the same peaceful, but the fact that it was truly peaceful. 79 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: And my mother just said yes, because they want to 80 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: go our family and to grow our family in the city. 81 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: It's a bit complicated, so they wanted for us to 82 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: grow up like in the countryside of Israel. 83 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 3: I was actually wondering, how did your parents meet, because 84 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: that had your parents met? 85 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: Actually my my mom, My mom is Jewish, and my 86 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: mom grew up in Argentina, in Buenos Ayrus, and I 87 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: think that back then Buenos Ayrus wasn't a super safe 88 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: place to grow up because the situation over there and 89 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: the corruption. So she decided to do Aliyah too is weell. 90 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: And one day when she became a teacher a few 91 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: years there later, so one day at school and her 92 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: and her work, one of her friends want to set 93 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: her up blinded like she do, we say, and this 94 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: she was my father and they met in some university 95 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: outside of some university in Israel, and they follow in love. Yeah. 96 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 3: I don't think that people realize that that many Jews 97 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 3: fled Europe during and after World War Two, both the 98 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 3: South America and Mexico. 99 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: Yes, a lot of Jewish. My mom's side, they escaped 100 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: from Poland, and my father's side escaped from you like 101 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: now Ukraine, but back then it was a part of 102 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: the Union, so viet I don't know. 103 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, same as my family. What is the other 104 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 3: formers of you? 105 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm not so sure because my grandpa didn't 106 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: speak so much about the time. But my grandpa actually 107 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: was escaping from the Holocaust. His entire family was murder 108 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: over there in the concentration camp. So my grandpa escaped 109 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: to Israel and then he met my grandpa. My grandma's 110 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: or is Sarah. My father was born after that of 111 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: my second Marrit. 112 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 3: Your grandfather didn't talk about it much, but was that 113 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 3: kind of part of your family tradition, like family history, 114 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 3: like to have that understanding that you were there because 115 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 3: your family was able to flee. 116 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: It's crazy because I think that only now when I'm 117 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: hearing this in this tour about speaking about what happened 118 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 1: in the Keyboots Only now I'm really posing and stopping, 119 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: I would say, and just think about my history. Because 120 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: my father is like a really tough Keybootsnaker. It's a 121 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: really tough person. Don't like speak about a lot about 122 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: his history and speak about a lot like how it 123 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: was to grow up with a Holocaust survivor, because I'm 124 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: sure that to gow up with a father that survived 125 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: the Holocaust is not super easy. So my father didn't 126 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: speak so much about our words. Is super proud in 127 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: his words, but we don't speak so much in his words. 128 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: So only now when I'm standing and speaking with the people, 129 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: I'm really starting to think about my history, about that 130 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: my grandpa escaped from the Holocaust and letting me live 131 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: in Israel because this is like, this is my words. 132 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: I needed to be proud of my Jewish And then 133 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: the fact that I'm living in Israel because my grandpa 134 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: was fighting so hard to do aliatu as well, and 135 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: fighting so hard to come to this heaven, I would say, 136 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: So I think that only now I'm starting to speak 137 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: with my father about our history, and I'm starting to 138 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: feel so proud in my history because my grandpa actually 139 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: give me a life. 140 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an important part of Jewish tradition, at least 141 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 3: here in the States, and I imagine for you as well. 142 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: But we always say that we bear witness, like we 143 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 3: don't turn away from our history. We need to understand 144 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 3: the stories so that it doesn't happen again. 145 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: Yes, and it's even more hard because in Israel, in 146 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: the high school, you go to a history exam, and 147 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: I will say, when you need to go to exam 148 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: on the Holocaust, I can't understand because my grandpa was 149 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: if I it was in the Holocaust. So to learn 150 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: about the history in Israel and to learn it back 151 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: then when I was eighteen, and then I will say, 152 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: to experience a kind of second Holocaust. But in twenty 153 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: twenty three, it was crazy because when you grew up 154 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: in Israel and you do this exam about the Holocaust, 155 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: you know that this is your legacy. But nobody could 156 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: imagine that it will be happening again. I was preparing 157 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: myself about the concentuation cap and how the Nazis was 158 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: killing the jew. I didn't imagine that the same thing 159 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: maybe will happen to me some days. So it's crazy 160 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: because this is it was like I was feeling that 161 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: this is my legacy. I would say, this is my history. 162 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: But now it became even more personal. 163 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 3: Still with the dream of raising their kids in the 164 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 3: countryside of Israel, ed And and her family moved to 165 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: Kibbut's Rhyme in the western part of the country. 166 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: Keyboots. It's really beautiful a way to grow up and 167 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: to live because you live in I would say in 168 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: a group, for example, my parents when they get a 169 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: salary each month, they entered the salary to the Kyboots, 170 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: and the Kiboots just give you the money back, but 171 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: by the children that you have, Like for example, if 172 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: you have two children, you get this amount of money. 173 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: And if you want to do some activities or something 174 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: like this, you need to ask money from the key Boots. 175 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: Or just if you want to, like to do your 176 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: driving license, you need to go to the secretary of 177 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: the Keyboots and tell them, hey, I need to do 178 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: my driver lescense and I grew up with a bunch 179 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: of friends, like from the kindergarten until high school, with 180 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: the same group of friends. I think that's like the 181 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: most we say wonderful things in the key Boots. It's 182 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: the value of take care of each other. Because everything 183 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: you do not for you for your own success, you 184 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: do it for the group success. So you work for 185 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: the Keyboots. Like I remember that my mom going edge 186 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: Saturday to milk the cows, and some saturdays you go 187 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: to work in the dining room. And all of the 188 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: holidays you need to volunteer, and like, who are going 189 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: to make this holiday, this pasta, this Hanukah, So everybody 190 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: just like doing a lot of volunteering in see the Keyboots. 191 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: You mentioned the holidays. Is everybody Jewish? Do you have 192 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 3: to be Jewish? No? 193 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: I think in the Keyboots you don't have to be 194 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: to be Jewish. We have a lot of Christians, a 195 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: lot of Catholic, a lot of also Arabic, like we 196 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: are the key Boots. Like the value that are super 197 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: important for us is to work the land, agriculture, the education. 198 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: So for us, if you will be like a Christian 199 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: a Muslim, for us, it is not mattering what you believe, 200 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: like we accept you as a person, as a human being. 201 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 3: When you were growing up on the Koboat, what did 202 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 3: you think you wanted to do? Like when you grew up, Like, 203 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 3: how did you imagine your life? Did you always want 204 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: to stay there? 205 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: Actually, when I grew up in the key Boots, I 206 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: really love the history of the place of my key 207 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: Boots area. So I really I was dreamed to become 208 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: a acheolgit archaeologic. 209 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 3: I think it's the word archaeologist is the person, Yes, archaeologist. 210 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: It's really challenging my accent. 211 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 3: It's a hard word even in English. 212 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: So because my area it's a beautiful area and you 213 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: have this all this kind of like old houses from 214 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: ancient time. So I was dreamed to become areology Areo 215 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: logit and to live in the area and discover more 216 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: history about my place. 217 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 3: But like every Israeli citizen, I didn't had to serve 218 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: at least two years in the army, but for her 219 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 3: it held a deeper, more important meaning. 220 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: I will say that we are the people who live 221 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: in the kybout seem for us to go to serving 222 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: the army it's respect. We actually we are so competition 223 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: between like me and my friend are so competitive, like 224 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: which position I will get because we grew up in 225 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: Gaza envelope and because we understand how much to serve 226 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: the army it's important. For us. It was like the 227 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: biggest mission that we need to do and the biggest 228 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: exam that we need to success in it. Because for 229 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: us to serving the army was like a respect and 230 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: for me, like me and my friend, like I was 231 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: excited to go to the army. I will say that 232 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: I think it or for a start, I will say 233 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: that to serving the army was make me more matured 234 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: and make me I would say, make me more matured, 235 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: in my life. I think that to serve in the 236 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: army give you a little bit of time to grow up, 237 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: to be more we say tough, to experience some things 238 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,599 Speaker 1: in your life that you will never experience. 239 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, first of all, how was your English so good? 240 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 3: And also what did you do in the army. What 241 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 3: was your job in the army. 242 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: I was a fitness instruction in the Army. I really 243 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: like to instruct people and I really love to work 244 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: with human beings and I all my life used to 245 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: dance ballet, So for me, this combination was wonderful. So 246 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: I was a fitness instructor in the intelligence in some 247 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: intelligence base in Israel. But after maybe six months I 248 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: needed I was feeling that I want to do even 249 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: more and I want to be in charge of the 250 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: fitness instructure in the army. So after the school of 251 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: the Officer, my first position was actually a navigation officer. 252 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: It was a little bit different from what I did 253 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: in the start, but for me it was super cool 254 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: because I was going like everywhere in Israel. I was 255 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: traveling to the south of Israel, to the north in Israel, 256 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: and just like making a map, a navigation map for 257 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: the soldier for them to understand more good the area 258 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: because like in the north, close to Lebanon, they will 259 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: have a lot of forests. So I actually built an 260 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: a vacation over there for them for maybe in the 261 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: future they will need to It's said because now we 262 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: have a situation with Lebanon, because in Sunday, someday, they 263 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: will need to get to know this area the best 264 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: that they can. So my role was to build an 265 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: vigation map and to instruct i will say, combat the 266 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: soldier to understand them. And after that, I was a 267 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: fitness officer of the tank unit in Israel. It's called 268 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: the She's a Phone. I was over there for one 269 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: year and I love it so much because to understand 270 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: the power of the army. If you want to understand 271 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: the power of the army, you need to go to 272 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: the tank unit because it's amazing. And after that I 273 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: was released from the army and like because all of 274 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: the Israeling going to travel after we finished the army. 275 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: For a few months in South America, I yet to 276 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: know a few friends from Europe and then I was 277 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: starting to speak with them English because they don't understand Nebro. 278 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: So from that point I was starting to work on 279 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: my English, and I'm happy. I would say that I 280 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: wish that we will not be must go to the army. 281 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: I would say, because I wish that the situation is well, 282 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: will be a little bit different, that we don't must 283 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: go to the army, and that we have a peace 284 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: in the Middle East between us and the country that 285 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: surrounded us. So now when I'm thinking that I need 286 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: like that, I'm studying my college only in twenty two 287 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: twenty four, and I said especially I was officer in 288 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: the army because I wanted to stay more in the 289 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: army and to serve more use than just to challenge 290 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: myself over there. So I finished the army in the 291 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: age of twenty fourth instead of twenty two twenty one, 292 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: because I really love to serve in the army. But 293 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: now when I'm looking it back, I wish it tell 294 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: it was a little bit different. But I understand that 295 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: this is a situation that we need to serve in 296 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: the army that we want. But I will say that 297 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: I wish that the situation was different in Israel, Like 298 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: I wish that we have this friend that when you 299 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: say to the young children, when we go up, we 300 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: will not we will not need to go to the 301 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: army tegdorvoloya. We say anybo, because we all the time 302 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: wish in our heart to peace, to live in peaceful 303 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: in Israel. We don't. We will without to be a 304 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: concern about what happened, what will be in an extract threat. 305 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: So I just reminded right now that every mom tell 306 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: her son and tell her daughter that I wish when 307 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: you will be eighteen, the army will not be obligation anymore. 308 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 3: When we come back. Eden tells us about what her 309 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 3: life looked like after serving in the Middle Terry. After serving, 310 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 3: I didn't plan to take time to travel, but like 311 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 3: so many of us, her plans were interrupted by COVID. 312 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: So I when I came back to Israel, I came 313 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: back because of the COVID. I was planned to travel 314 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: three months more to go to Argentina to meet my grandma, 315 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: to do Pesta with my family. But then COVID happened 316 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: and I was so angry. So I lived for a 317 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: while in the keyboots. I was working in the keyboots 318 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: because for me, it was like I didn't live for 319 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: a few years in the keyboots. Because I was living 320 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: in the Army, so I needed, like to settle damage 321 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: with the keyboots, to think about my future. And then 322 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: it was kind of opportunity to move to Tel Aviv 323 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: and for me to move from a small keyboats a 324 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: super priceful keyboots to like the main Tel Aviv. It 325 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: was a little bit hard. I was. I was a 326 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 1: little bit overwhelming, and I was like, I think twenty 327 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: four twenty five and I decided to move to the 328 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: city and I was starting to search a job in 329 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: the fitness I would say, yeah, world, after maybe one 330 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: year or so that I'm doing just like an ordinary job, 331 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: I entered to a studio that I really love. I'm 332 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: working in a fit house. It's like a pilate studio, 333 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: the best place in tel Aviv. And from back then, 334 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: I'm thinking that I'm working three years in Tel Aviv 335 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: in the same studio and I love it so much. 336 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: And I think that each year of living in Tel Aviv, 337 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: like each year was super different from the year before. 338 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 3: The weekend of the attack, Edin was still living in 339 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 3: Tel Aviv and I tried it viausse her family as 340 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 3: often as she was able. Work was busy and it 341 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 3: had been months, but finally the weekend of October sixth, 342 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, she and her boyfriend Amit found the 343 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 3: time to go back to visit both her family and 344 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 3: her childhood friend. Danielle was in town visiting. 345 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: But in that weekend, like it was one of the 346 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: weekend that I understand that I that I don't need 347 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: to work in the weekend, so I can't go and 348 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: visit my family, and a meet was agreed to come 349 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: with me also, so I would say yes, like the 350 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: star was aligned for me to go. It's ironic, but 351 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: the star was aligned to let me go to visit 352 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: my parents in the Keyboots and it's crazy. I w 353 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: a short story that like when you wre up in 354 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: the Keyboots, you used to think about the other all 355 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: the time, Like before I'm thinking about myself, I will 356 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: think about my friends, to think about daniel to take 357 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: about Tel and my mom, Like she dont like this 358 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: this scale, it's not scale, but this this scale off 359 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: I have. But because I have such a good friend, 360 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: it came to visit from New York in that weekend 361 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: in the Keyboots because she was growing up with me 362 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: in the Keyboots. But when she was twenty five, she 363 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: left the Keyboots and moved to New York, but in 364 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: that weekend she was in Israel. So I was like asking, 365 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: like for me to see Danielle because for me, friendship 366 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: is like the biggest value that I have in my life. 367 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: So I made everything too that I will go this 368 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: weekend to the Keyboats. Like I was scheduling with my job, 369 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: I was convincing on meat. I was telling my parents 370 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: that I come like I prepare it like everything, because 371 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: like for me, friendship is like it's everything, I would say. 372 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: So I arranged everything that me and it will come 373 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: to the Keyboats to meet it daniel before she came 374 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: back to New York. And I remember that when we 375 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: came to the Keyboats in the sixth of October, we 376 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: have this fun night we just play cards, and we 377 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: don't play cards so much, so we just like play cards, 378 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: like sit in one of our parents' balcony, in the 379 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: family balcony. We just sat there like like drinking with 380 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: the parents of the neighborhood. Because it was like really 381 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 1: common that you're sitting with your parents and your parents' 382 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: friends and everybody just like sat in a big table 383 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: and just like play played the cards and just drink 384 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: and just having so much fun. So we have like 385 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: the best evening. And I was like so happy because 386 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: like I would say that I managed to see all 387 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: my friends, like all my friends in the area, because 388 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: like when you grow up, like everyone take his own pet. 389 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: And for me, it's a bit sad because in the 390 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: keyboards you used to be like everybody together all the time. 391 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: So for me, like to have this time with my 392 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,959 Speaker 1: friends that are super special for me, and so I 393 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: was very happy. Me and I me it was just 394 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: went to sleep, we say hello to my parents, and 395 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: I would say it like to grow up with Gaza envelope. 396 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: It's not easy like it sounds sometimes because I really remember, 397 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: like in the sixth of October when me and I 398 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: meet was going to sleep in my parents' house. I 399 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: was looking like like out side from my home, like 400 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: outside to our guardian and our phone door, because you 401 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: never feel like safe in your home, I will. 402 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 3: Say after the break, I don't recounts the harrowing events 403 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 3: that she experienced on October seventh. 404 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: In the seventh of October and six thirty in the morning, 405 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: we wake up to a siren in the Keybucine we 406 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,239 Speaker 1: have a siren that she is like. You can hear it, 407 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: and it's like seva a doom, severa adome like a 408 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: woman that's just like telling it in the speatures of 409 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: the keyboats. And when you hear this severa adam, you 410 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: know that you need to run to the sheltered room. 411 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: And we call it mamad it's a shelter, a safe 412 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: from inside my home that the government build after two 413 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: thousand and eight. So my mom wakes me and I 414 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 1: meet and tell us then need we need to run 415 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: there with Seva doom And I was like whatever doom 416 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: Like it's like it's it's in the morning, but okay, 417 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: this is what they will in. You can't be I 418 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: will say indifferent. I think too the sevadom. You can't 419 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: stay in your vent because you don't know if the 420 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: missiles will hit in your home, but if it will 421 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: be in the set phone, it will be okay. So 422 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: we run into the cell phone. We stayed there for 423 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: a few moments and they will say okay, let's go 424 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: back to sleep because everything is okay. It's just another 425 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: regular morning in keybout Ray. I mean to living so 426 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: close to a organization and then I remember that my 427 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: friend texted me like, EDN, come overside, let's see the 428 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: missiles in the air, because it's a crazy thing that 429 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: we do. We can we see the missiles from the 430 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: keyboutte because you can actually see them from going out 431 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: from Gaza because we're super close to them. So even 432 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: if you don't have the siren Sevadom, you still can 433 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: hear the missiles that going maybe to another key team. 434 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: But after the third time, we say, okay, so maybe 435 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: let's open the the sofa in the same phone. Maybe 436 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 1: we go to sleep there. And then we heard like 437 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: a crazy like sounds of misses of like we heard 438 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: something different, but for us it was like, okay, maybe 439 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: like Hammas went crazy this morning. Maybe instead of shooting 440 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: one missiles, maybe they want to shoot one hundred missiles. 441 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: But okay, like they are unexpected. And I remember that 442 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: when me and my father and a mead sat on 443 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: the couch because we said, okay, apparently we're not going 444 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: to back to sleep today, so let's open the TV 445 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: seven am in the morning, let's make some breakfast. And 446 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: me and my father and a meat was sitting on 447 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: the couch opened the TV on the news channel. And 448 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: the first video that we saw, it's a pickup truck 449 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: inside the road. It's a city that is like fifteen 450 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: minutes by car for me, full with Hamas terrorists. You 451 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: can see the green bandage on the heath and so 452 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: you understand it's Hamas shooting from the up track inside 453 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: the world. For me, like to seeing this video is 454 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: like to sing my worst my worst nightmare come alive 455 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: because except of my mom told me like when you 456 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: will go up, it will not be army. She told 457 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: me all of my life, everything is okay, then like 458 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: this will not happen. We are like safe here, like 459 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: no way that Hamas or the people I will say 460 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: will hate us I don't want to say other people 461 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: and will come and try to murder us. And so 462 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: this is like my worst nightmare come alive, like in 463 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: the TV in seven am in the morning and they 464 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: are now here. From the right side of the keyboards, 465 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: we have the it was the Nova Music Festival. So 466 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: we're starting to hear these crazy noises from the boat side. 467 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: But we don't understand what happened because in the news 468 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: nothing is reported and the community, what's the book, nothing 469 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: is as written by the chief, So we say, okay, 470 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: maybe it's okay, maybe the idea of found the seven 471 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: pickup truck. But as the minutes passing by, the shooting 472 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: is starting to be more heavier and more heavier, and 473 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: the missiles alarm doesn't stop. So we're starting to understand 474 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: that this is starting to get closer and closer to 475 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: my key boots, and we didn't understand the number. We 476 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: didn't understand what happened in the nova because there is 477 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: like such a big confusion, and I would think that 478 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: the first time that we understand that Hamas invaded to 479 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: my key boots, because we know that Hamas invaded to 480 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: as well, but we didn't understand that invaded to my 481 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: key boots until eight twenty four in the morning. 482 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 3: Adn't received the message and the community is WhatsApp that 483 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 3: Hermas was inside the kabbots. 484 00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: So for us to see this like three message, it 485 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: was like the waking up call for us because until 486 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: that point we didn't believe that they couldn't succeed so 487 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: much harmas they could actually enter to the. 488 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 3: Keyboots, unable to lock the safe room. 489 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: Because the cell phone is supposed to protect you from 490 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: missiles and sometimes the missiles making a fire, so you 491 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: need to be able to go outside from the safe phone, 492 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: so you can't lock yourself inside. 493 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 3: So her father suggested they go hide in the attic. 494 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: So my father bring the letter, and me and my 495 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,479 Speaker 1: mother and Amit was climbing the letter and stayed up, 496 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: and my father decided to stay down. I think that 497 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: my father was over estimated himself and he was thinking 498 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: that maybe he could confront them, maybe he can awarn 499 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: us to let us know what happened down because our 500 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: eyes was blinded because from that point, the service wasn't 501 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: so good. In the keyboutine. The only pieces of information 502 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: was from the watterpoop and we didn't have so much 503 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: a good reception. So my father was kind of our eyes. 504 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: But I don't know why he decided to stay down. 505 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: Maybe he was thinking that he would take the first 506 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: bullet or something like this, or maybe he could protect us, 507 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: because he's like he was like the lion that protected 508 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: his family. So me and my mom and Amite was 509 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: sitting inside the attic. And it's crazy because I couldn't 510 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: believe how I experienced this second Holocaust because I was studying, 511 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: So I was studying, so much about the Holocaust and 512 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: about the history of my family. But then I will say, 513 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: the Holocaust find me. I just celebrated twenty eight and 514 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: I'm sitting on the attic with my boyfriend and with 515 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: my mom and just starting to realize that my life 516 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: is going to be over and that they're going to 517 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: murder me. And this time I knew that they come 518 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: to murder me, and I was like starting to I 519 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: would say, to conclude my not conclude my life, but 520 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: to summerize my life, to think about my dreams, the 521 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: thing that I was like succeed to accomplish, the thing 522 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: that I that I will not accomplish until until forever. 523 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: And looking on my boyfriend eyes and just like to 524 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: sitting in the Holocaust and really liked to feel like 525 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: Anna Frank it was it was something. 526 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 3: Different contemplating life. She couldn't bear the thought that she 527 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 3: or her father would have to die just steps away 528 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 3: from each other, if. 529 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: That would be my last moment on the sort in 530 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: the keyboats, I wanted to spend them with my father, 531 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: and so we decided to jump from the attic. We 532 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: didn't have the time to bring a letter because in 533 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: that point in Saturday, we're starting to hear the shooting 534 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: really closest to my neighborhood. 535 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 3: Ada in a meet and her mom ran to the 536 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 3: safe room and reunited with their father, and we. 537 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: Sat in the safe room, and we heard a knock 538 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: on the back door, and we knew that we were 539 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: next because our neighbors told us that now they're shooting 540 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: in the home and they can hear Arabic, and our 541 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: neighbors from the front write us that they are now 542 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: starting to feel smoke and we're starting to be choking 543 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: inside the safe rom so we understand that they are 544 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: now burning my own family house. So we knew that 545 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,959 Speaker 1: we are next, and we knew that we are alone 546 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: now only asking God. So we heard a knock on 547 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: the front on the back door, and then we heard 548 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: a second knock on the front door. So my father 549 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: and Amit was going to hold the door because it 550 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: was the only only option to prevent him from letting in, 551 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: and we didn't think about the possibility of that maybe 552 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: he will shoot on the door and we will be murdered, 553 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: with thinking to okay, let's hold the door and we 554 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: will be safe like this. So I remember that a 555 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,719 Speaker 1: meeting and my father going to hold the door, and 556 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: then we heard a shooting a shot, and he actually 557 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: was shutting shooting on the door on the front door. 558 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: And by this it was just like going in and 559 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: we heard him actually like walk inside my home. It's 560 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,719 Speaker 1: crazy because I felt so hopeless and I was starting 561 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: to see and my father meanwhile he was like holding 562 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: the door. I saw my father saying like goodbye for 563 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: my mom. And my mom and my father have like 564 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: a love for the fairy tales. I would say they 565 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: are like maybe thirty six years by now and they 566 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: are like in love like teenagers. So to saying my 567 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: father is like saying goodbye for my mom. I think 568 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: it was the most time we say hard part because 569 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: I would say that if my father feeling hopeless now, 570 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: so there is no hope. And then all of a sudden, 571 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: we saw the doorknob going down and up, so you 572 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: understand that he understand that we are in the safe phone. 573 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: And now we try to open the door, and my 574 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: father in a mid to try resisting and resist him 575 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: and like preventing from letting him. But we didn't swim, 576 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: We didn't do nothing. We just like say okay, maybe 577 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: we'll keep quiet and like fright on the door and 578 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: maybe we'll he will give up. And then maybe after 579 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: five minutes or so, we didn't sew the door moving, 580 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: so we think it to ourselves. Okay, maybe he he 581 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: just raists for a little bit. Maybe he going to 582 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: call his friends and now they will try to open 583 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: the door together. Maybe he climbing the letter and hide 584 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: us in the attic inside my parents' bedroom and wait 585 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: for the moment that me and my family will pop 586 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: out from them a moth from the safe poom and 587 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: just shoot us. So we was just like being I 588 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: will say on our guards like admit, and my father 589 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: didn't hold the door for two hours or so because 590 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: we couldn't imagine that he would just give up, because 591 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: we couldn't understand that we will have this luck, because 592 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: actually he was walking inside my home. He was trying 593 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: to find I spanned us, so why he was letting go. 594 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 3: The silence was palpable. They had gone, but they didn't 595 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 3: dare move. They stayed in the safe room for another 596 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 3: twenty seven hours, terrified and desperate for survival. 597 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: So he kept being like that in the in the 598 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: safe room, without food, without without water, and we have 599 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: our restroom was a little bucket of the food of 600 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: my dog. But I'm thinking about this now. It's okay, 601 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: because when you want to survive, you lose humanity. Every 602 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: day you just lose it. So only in eleven in 603 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: the morning the day after after we did it, we 604 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: didn't eat, we didn't sleep, like me and I meet 605 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: was like kind of they would say, the protectors of 606 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: my parents and my own family, because we are the 607 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: youngest ones. So we we knew that this is our 608 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: responsibility to be awake all the night and just to 609 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: watch on the door. So me and I meet was 610 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: just like doing a change our position each time, like 611 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: I was holding the door, a meetside was in the phone, 612 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: try to get any information from the WhatsApp, and we're switching. 613 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: And we didn't slept all the night. So only in 614 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: eleven in the morning the day after the chap of 615 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: the keyboots tell us that it's now safe for us 616 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: to go out of the keyboots and that we need 617 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: to evacuate it ourselves now to take a small suitcase 618 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: and just to drove. And I remember that. You really 619 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: want to think that maybe it was like a bid 620 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: nightmare or something like this, but to go out from 621 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: the kyboot and to see all this burnt car of 622 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: the people, of the young adults. It was celebrating the 623 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: Nova party. And just to see their cars like along 624 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: the road with all the bodies of the young adult 625 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: was celebrating the Nova. I couldn't deny it. I know 626 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 1: it is not It wasn't a nightmare. It was actually 627 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: the seventh of October. 628 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 2: Dozens of Israelis are dead, hundreds are injured, and Amass 629 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 2: claimed to have taken hostages bringing them back to the 630 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 2: Gaza Strip. 631 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 3: It's been one horror and tragedy after the next since 632 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 3: amas Is killing and kidnapping attack of Israelis ten weeks ago. 633 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 4: The rampaging militants attacked homes with hand grenades, RPGs and gunfire. 634 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 4: Then they set them a blaze, hoping to smoke out 635 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 4: families hiding inside. Many were burned alive. 636 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: It's like a horror movie. To me, it was the 637 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 1: scariest thing that's ever happened in my life. 638 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 3: In the days after, as you started to learn more news, 639 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:18,439 Speaker 3: what did you learn. 640 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 1: I learned that I don't know if I'm answering, but 641 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: I learned that I was so lucky because By the 642 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: days going by, you're starting to understand the numbers. And 643 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: I'm leaving five minutes back car from Kibbutz Perry. It's 644 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: less than two miles, I think, so to starting to 645 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: understand what happened in kibutz Bery. 646 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 3: Kibbutz Berry was massacred. A mass roamed through the small 647 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 3: farming village until the evening of October eighth and killed 648 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 3: over one hundred citizens. Thirty two hostages were taken from Berry. 649 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 3: The damage to the small village can still be seen 650 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 3: to this day. 651 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: Now my friends, our orphan or did have friends that 652 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: they are now losing their brother to starting to understand 653 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: what happened in Keyboots near us that now our bellyhood 654 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: a friend of mine from the times that back then 655 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: I used to dance in ballet class, so that our 656 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: belly is now kidnapp hostages in Gaza. I couldn't understand, 657 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: like how we survived. So I meet parents living fast sabah. 658 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: But all the people of the Keyboots can They went 659 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,919 Speaker 1: to a lat because we knew it. Like the idea 660 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: of to us that we need to leave the Gaza 661 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: envelope now because it's a closed army area, so now 662 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: everybody needed to leave their homes. When we drove, we 663 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: said that the twenty minutes in the start of this 664 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: ride was the most hardest because we just saw, we 665 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: saw everything. We just saw what happened in October seven. 666 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: We saw the pickup of armas, we saw the weapon, 667 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: we opened the news and finally we saw the bodies. 668 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: We saw all the fire still going on in the 669 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: Kibutine because Ramas destroyed so many houses. So I think 670 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: not like the first twenty minutes was we say the 671 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: hardest part of the driving to amit parents' house. 672 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 3: I mean when and how did you get back to 673 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 3: some version of a normal life. 674 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: So in the start, I was with my family in 675 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: the hotel in a lot for three months, around three 676 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: or two months. And for the start it was healing 677 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: for me because I needed to be with people who 678 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: went through the same thing that I was bent through. 679 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: So for me to be with my friends because friends 680 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: as family. For me to be with my friends in 681 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: a lot in the hotel and just to sit with 682 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: them each night, just to talk and to be with 683 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: people that actually understand what I've been through, it was 684 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: essential essential for me. But then after maybe one month 685 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: and half, I'm feeling that I'm still in shiva, you know, 686 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: like shiva that you're sitting and you just like seven 687 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: days about the one who lost. And I think that 688 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: for me to sit in shiva for one month and 689 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: a half, it was too much already because I couldn't 690 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: recover from the trauma because each day I was like 691 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: speaking about about what happened and talking about what happened 692 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: in the keyboats, and each day we heard about another 693 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: person that idea for discovered that he was murdering in 694 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: the seventh of October. So I knew that I need 695 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: to start recover the trauma. So for me, I was 696 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: going back to tell I was starting to go back 697 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: to my work in November, I think, but to go 698 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 1: to the university I was startying, I think only in 699 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 1: December because I couldn't I wouldn't be I was not 700 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: able to sit in the classroom. But for me, like 701 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: I would say, it was after the one month and 702 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: a half it I was in a lat it was 703 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: essential to be with people that was not being through 704 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: what I've been through in October seven because I needed 705 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: to do something else to help me recovered and not 706 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: just to diving inside the trauma. 707 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 3: And still you've decided to share your story with others. 708 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 3: What made you make that decision? I mean, I can 709 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 3: see that it's hard for you to retell it. It 710 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,879 Speaker 3: wasn't very long ago, and I think it'll probably say 711 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 3: with you for a long time, maybe forever. Like what 712 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 3: made you decide to start sharing it? 713 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 1: I think that the first reason is because I mentioned 714 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: that I was traveling in South America. I met a 715 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: lot of friends from Europe and from the world, and 716 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: after October seven, I felt that people not seeing the 717 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: right image. So I felt it I must go in 718 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: to share my story from my eyes, from a woman 719 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 1: that grew up in Gaza, envelope, from a woman that 720 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,720 Speaker 1: experienced seventh of October inside of home, because I needed 721 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 1: to tell the truth because somehow people believe to this nonsense. 722 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: And I think that the second because I think that's 723 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: to go up and does the envelope make me super strong? 724 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: And not many things try to I will say, to 725 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: touch me or to excited me. So I started to 726 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: feel like a like that I have this kind of shield, 727 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: this kind of wall. I knew that if I will 728 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: start to speak about my trauma, it will help me 729 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: to feel It will help me to connect to the 730 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: trauma and not to put a wall between me and 731 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: what happened and just let me experience this, because when 732 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: you grow up and envelope and when you grow up 733 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: next to the organization, you used to put a wall 734 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 1: and you try to be the strongest and the strongest 735 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: as you can. But this time, I was thinking that 736 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: if I will share what happened in Octorous seven, it 737 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 1: will help me feel more and help me to connect 738 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 1: more to this trauma, and maybe if I will connect 739 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: to the trauma, I will starting to heal from it. 740 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 3: Has that happened? 741 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,280 Speaker 1: I think yes, I think it really helped me because 742 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: even now when I speak with you, I'm starting to 743 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: remind in a few things that I didn't I was 744 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: thinking about him until now, about the letter about people 745 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: that was happening, about things that happened inside the mamad. 746 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: So each time when I'm speaking about this trauma, I'm 747 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: thinking about many miracles that happened on Saturday. So it's 748 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: helped me to understand, and it's helped me too. I 749 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,799 Speaker 1: will say, to take this trauma more close to me, 750 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: I will say, because sometimes when you look on trauma, 751 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,359 Speaker 1: you look about a trauma of other person. But now 752 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 1: I'm starting to understand this isn't my trauma. It's happened 753 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: to me, not happened to other person. Because when you 754 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: experience this I will say, life changing events, it's really 755 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: hard to understand that it's happened to you, not or 756 00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 1: your friends or something like this. 757 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 3: So on this show we talk about how these things 758 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,399 Speaker 3: that happen outside of us, like these experiences that we 759 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 3: go through, change our perspective, like the way that we 760 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 3: see the world, and then they change our actions as 761 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,840 Speaker 3: a result. So how do you think your perspective has changed, 762 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,319 Speaker 3: and do you think it's changed what you may do 763 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:21,919 Speaker 3: with your life. 764 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: When I was like, I would say that I'm towards myself. 765 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,839 Speaker 1: I'm really judgment judgmental, And my teacher, I would say, 766 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: in the office of school told me, and then you 767 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,360 Speaker 1: don't need to be a you don't need the enemies. 768 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,800 Speaker 1: You are the own enemy of yourself. And it's funny 769 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: because she knew me only three months, but she could 770 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: really like see through me because I would said it 771 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 1: as a I don't want to say as a woman, 772 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: but as a as a human being. I'm a super 773 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: judgmental towards myself, and I was like judging myself by 774 00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: how I'm looking like on my appearance, what is like 775 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,799 Speaker 1: my successful how I success to doing this, how I 776 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: managed to accomplish, to accomplish that mission of myself, Like 777 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: all of my life was judging myself and telling myself 778 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: and then you're not good in this, You're not good 779 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 1: in debt. And I'm feeling that not only meetinging like 780 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,839 Speaker 1: this like many people thinking and just I would say 781 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,839 Speaker 1: living their life by quick and to have so much, 782 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: I would say judge and criticism to them to themselves. 783 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: So when I was actually sitting inside the ethic, I 784 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: was thinking to myself like like why I was so 785 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 1: bad to myself? Like why I decided to live until 786 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,400 Speaker 1: now without peace between myself and I needed to to 787 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: start to do a piece inside of me and starting 788 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 1: to see the good in life and not to judge 789 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: myself in the thing that I don't accomplish. And I 790 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,800 Speaker 1: need to be proud in myself. I need to proud 791 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: in in the in my personality in edin because I 792 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 1: spend so much time in my life to think that 793 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,280 Speaker 1: I'm not good enough, that I need to be better, 794 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: and I was promised to myself that if I will 795 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 1: survive it, I was starting to do a change because 796 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,760 Speaker 1: I'm twenty eight and it's not young, it's not old, 797 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: it's in the middle. So I have this I will say, 798 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,280 Speaker 1: a good battle. But I have this battle now inside 799 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 1: myself because I know that I need to do this change, 800 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: because I feel so lucky that I will survived October 801 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: seven because so many people wasn't survived and I got 802 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 1: a second chance to try to live my life and 803 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 1: try to be proud of myself. And I tell them 804 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,879 Speaker 1: to myself that I'm too much old for this, I'm 805 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 1: too much old for that. And then cha, I shift 806 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 1: the way I'm looking now on my life, and I 807 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: said to myself, Okay, I'm only twenty eight and I 808 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: have so much to accomplience from now. So from that point, 809 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,880 Speaker 1: I'm starting to do this process with myself to first 810 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,359 Speaker 1: to take everything in proportion. I would say it helped 811 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,360 Speaker 1: me to get a perspective when you're in my life. 812 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,800 Speaker 1: It's helped me to understand that the life is short 813 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 1: and if I want to do something or to accomplish something, 814 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,239 Speaker 1: I need to do it, and that I need to 815 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:29,239 Speaker 1: start believing in myself, to love in myself because by 816 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: experience October seven, I believe that I can do whatever 817 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 1: I want because by being in such I would say, 818 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,840 Speaker 1: a hard moment in my life to really feel the 819 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: debt and to be in in that moment that you're 820 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 1: starting to memorize your life and you think about like 821 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,759 Speaker 1: the good thing that you made, the bad thing that 822 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,279 Speaker 1: you made. You're really starting from the bottom. So I 823 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 1: think from going through this more focused to my future. 824 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: I'm more focused and I know that everything is achievable 825 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:13,759 Speaker 1: by working hard, by loving yourself, by believing yourself. And 826 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,840 Speaker 1: it's just like make me thinking about my life because 827 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time of my life to 828 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,279 Speaker 1: think that I'm not, that I'm not good enough, that 829 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: I'm not I would says as a child that grow up, 830 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: you don't think that you're sometimes beautiful and you so 831 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,720 Speaker 1: just I was like thinking, like looking about my past, 832 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,440 Speaker 1: and I'm telling to myself that I need to stop 833 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,719 Speaker 1: bringing me down, that I need to be the best 834 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: cheerleader of myself, that I need to be the best 835 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 1: believer on myself, not my mom. I'm saying that, like 836 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: I'm going from the end to the start. Now by 837 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 1: starting to do this, we say changing my perspective and life. 838 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,320 Speaker 1: And I know it's not easy. Sometimes I'm still struggling sometimes, 839 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: like many times, I'm still have a lot of criticism 840 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:09,480 Speaker 1: on myself and about decision that I made. But I 841 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 1: try to do more peace with myself and to breed 842 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,279 Speaker 1: into it. And I know to do a change in 843 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,280 Speaker 1: your life is not easy. And I'm twenty eight, so 844 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 1: I was establishing. I was I established myself until now, 845 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,880 Speaker 1: so to do this change it's hard, but I can 846 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,239 Speaker 1: do it. And so I'm like, one step at a time, 847 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,720 Speaker 1: I will be more peaceful with myself. 848 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us. 849 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 1: First, I want to say thank you for you and 850 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,840 Speaker 1: letting me to hear my voice and to speak about myself. 851 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,720 Speaker 1: It makes me really excited and really emotional that you 852 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,680 Speaker 1: let me to share my story in this platform. So 853 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 1: thank you so much, Emily, and to all I will 854 00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,160 Speaker 1: say the woman that hear me out right now, all 855 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,480 Speaker 1: the Jewish women that's feeling for me right now, like 856 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,759 Speaker 1: believe in yourself and just thinking how awesome are you? 857 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,399 Speaker 1: There is nothing that is too far. 858 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:17,919 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Thank you so much. Emily Eden 859 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,840 Speaker 3: has returned back to Israel and is trying to resume 860 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,120 Speaker 3: her normal life, though nothing seems normal anymore. I want 861 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,239 Speaker 3: to thank Eden for sharing her deeply personal story with us. 862 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,120 Speaker 3: I feel lucky to be able to share stories like 863 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,880 Speaker 3: hers on my platform. Take care and talk to you 864 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:47,080 Speaker 3: next week. Thanks for listening to this episode of she Pivots. 865 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,840 Speaker 3: If you made it this far, you're a true pivoter, 866 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 3: so thanks for being part of this community. 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