1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Maybe not everybody can sign into a tiny deal, but 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: everybody can sign Kirby Yates. Everybody can use Kirby Yates 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: in the seventh dates ninth inning of the playoff series 4 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: and be better for it. 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: Former Big League pitcher Andrew Miller is with good to 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: see you, Andrew, Great to have you on. Also, obviously 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 2: working with the Players Association now is a special distant 8 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 2: for strategic initiative, So we're definitely gonna top biz today too. Andrew, 9 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: how's the gig been for you? Because you hop off 10 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: the mound right and now you're you're making big moves 11 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: here off the field. 12 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: I don't know about big moves. Yeah, it's it's been great. 13 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: I really enjoy it. I have such an appreciation for 14 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: this organization, which I'm sure you know Eric AJ would 15 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: say the same. And it gives me something to do. 16 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: It allows me to stay in touch with the game 17 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: or reason to turn on a game every night. And uh, 18 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: I'm just you know, so far really uh, you know, 19 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: enjoying it. And you know, I get to work with 20 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: fun people and work on the right side of the cause. 21 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 3: As far as I'm concerned. 22 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 4: You got a team now, because nobody ever has a 23 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 4: team when they when they're playing, and you played for 24 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 4: all of them. So so you have a team now 25 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 4: that you're like, ah, you know, I can I can 26 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 4: really lock into that team because you can't turn on 27 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 4: the game and watch all of them. 28 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: No, it's tough, you know, certainly root for you know, 29 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: old buddies and you know guys. I like, you know 30 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: my son, you know, he plays the show and he 31 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: watches all of it, and you know he I think 32 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: Jastism would be his favorite player if you asked him 33 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: right now. But no, just any ballgame, you know. I 34 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: want good games in the playoffs. I don't want to 35 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: see any blowouts. I want long series. And uh, you know, 36 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: as far as pulling for one team or you know 37 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: where anybody teams merch, that's not really happening. 38 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 5: Andrew, Before we get into the business side of the MLBP, 39 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 5: I have to ask this. We need to go to 40 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 5: a force show here because Kratz always has this thing 41 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 5: that people from Florida are stupid and you're from where. 42 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 5: I just want to I just want to establish this 43 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 5: before we dig in. And where from where. 44 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 3: I am born and raised in Gainesville, Florida. 45 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 5: Oh so crafts is all people from Florida are stupid. 46 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 5: So how stupid people get a job like you have? 47 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 4: I don't get it. 48 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 5: I mean all krats of oh Florida people hillbillies and 49 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 5: stupid crafts. 50 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 4: We can't be hillbillies. We don't have any hills. We 51 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 4: got to be read next to Just remind me. 52 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 5: Also, it's worth yes, but for some reason, Andrew did 53 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 5: not go to University of Florida. Couldn't get in, so 54 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 5: he went to North Carolina. 55 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: That's one way. 56 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 4: When his grades were so good in Florida that he 57 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 4: went out of state to a prestigious school in North Carolina. 58 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 4: We didn't go to Duke. 59 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 5: I mean he went to North Carolina. See the difference. 60 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 3: Let's not talk about North Carolina? 61 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 4: Are we just talking basketball? 62 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: We talk I should have known better getting on this, 63 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: and AJ is going to be there just poking the bear, 64 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: all right. 65 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: So then let's start here. Okay, So he went to 66 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: a bunch of spring training camps, right, and you're chatting 67 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: with players, tell us about your role and also what 68 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: you're hearing. Right, we just want to get the straight 69 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: shooter comments here on this show, like we always do. 70 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: So what are players saying what do they love, what 71 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: do they hate? 72 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we saw all thirty clubs, and you know, 73 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: for me, I'm just kind of fitting in the background. 74 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: I'm trying to you know, use my relationships of guys 75 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: that are still playing, guys that know me, you know, 76 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: and be able to open the door and just share 77 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: and give them as much information as possible. I think 78 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: that's that's our role, is to just educate guys. I 79 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: think there can be a lot of information out there 80 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: that you know, maybe something sounds good and we have 81 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: a reason why we're at we have a different position. 82 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: We just have to share that. And I think the 83 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: more we can do that, the better we'll be. Because 84 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: you know, this is a big CBA coming up obviously, 85 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: you know, you don't really like to be talking about 86 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: it two years out. I think we can, you know, 87 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: thank the commissioner for bringing it up. And you know, 88 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: we have a game that's thriving. We have such you know, 89 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: probably as many stars as I've ever seen in the game, 90 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: and it's just so much fun to watch. They're talking 91 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: about how much money they're making, how great everything is, 92 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: and yet you know, we see you know, kind of 93 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: you know, little snippets from the league saying that this 94 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: is going to be a battle and they're going to 95 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: come for you know, changes or they need to do 96 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: this or do that, So we have to get ahead 97 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: of it. We have to educate guys and make sure 98 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: they have answers. So that has been good. 99 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 3: You know. 100 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: I think for us on the tour, we kind of 101 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: do a little bit of recap on Okay, what happened 102 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: in the last negotiation, what do we see going on 103 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: in the game, you know what, what do we think 104 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: we could have you know, gone further on, you know 105 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: what what has worked, what hasn't type of stuff. And 106 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: then you know, unfortunately, spend a lot of time talking 107 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: about the salary cap because again. 108 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: You know what we're hearing from the league. 109 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: So we have, you know, great resources in the sense 110 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: that we can look at the other leagues that have 111 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: that and we can see what has worked and what hasn't, 112 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: and we can see you know, maybe instances where you know, 113 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: they were sold something that didn't go in the player's 114 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: favor or the fans favor, and that's you know, ultimately, 115 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: I think if you talk to any player, uh, they're 116 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna say they. 117 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 3: Just want their team to compete, And I think it's. 118 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: It's pretty tough pill to swallow when you hear teams say, hey, 119 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: we're we're not going for it this year. We don't 120 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: think we have a chance that we're doing this or 121 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: doing that, and it's not in line with going out 122 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: and winning every game you possibly can. 123 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 4: Is there is there any closer to Are we any 124 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 4: closer to like being able to push the owners to 125 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 4: be competitive in a sense of how can they be 126 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 4: as competitive as we as we were as players since 127 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 4: we don't or the current players are right now. 128 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, we're constantly trying to address it. 129 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys remember from you know, Cbas when 130 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: you were coming up. But I think we made some 131 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: pretty good progress in the last deal. And I think 132 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: part of that, you know, some of it we've seen 133 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,679 Speaker 1: in you know, the lottery. I think that the idea 134 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: that you can go out there and intentionally basically be 135 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: the worst team in baseball and end up with you know, 136 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: the best player in the draft. Especially you know, you 137 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: saw what worked in Houston, you saw what worked in 138 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: Washington to be able to get you know, Strasburg and 139 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: Harper and that type of stuff. To be able to 140 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: take that factor away from teams has been incredibly helpful. 141 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: You know, another thing that we were able to accomplish was, 142 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: you know, we wish you could have gone further, but 143 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: you know, address the service time manipulation. You know, we 144 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: saw such an obvious case with Chris Bryant and the 145 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: fact that you have teams out there saying we have 146 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: players that we think should be starting for us at 147 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: the major league level, but we have an ability to 148 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: not only affect their career, but also affect our chance 149 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: to go out and win the first you know, however 150 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: many games it is until you get past arbitration, and 151 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: so he gets past, you know, another year of you know, 152 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: basically seven years still free agency by manipulating it. 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That's neutrofol dot com promo 180 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: code foul Andrew. 181 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 5: When you hear teams talk salarycap. Commissioner has been on 182 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 5: his media tour saying salarycap, sellarcat the Orioles new owners 183 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 5: come out, salarycap, salarycap. Can you explain to the casual 184 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 5: fan what that means? And why why is the commissioner 185 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 5: fighting this fight in the media Like this is something 186 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 5: new that I haven't really seen them do. 187 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 4: It's always been like nobody talk about it, nobody talking 188 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 4: about it. 189 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 5: But now you hear like lockout, lockout, lockout because we 190 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 5: want a cap. So explain what a cap would mean? 191 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 5: And then how can the players Association combat Rob Manfrein 192 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 5: and his people out there all the time saying the 193 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 5: same thing. 194 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: Yeah again, I think the easiest thing we can do 195 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: is we can look at other leagues. But yeah, I 196 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: mean a salary cap honestly, just straightforward. It's a chance 197 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: for the owners to limit their labor cost and it 198 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: you know the fact that they're going to come out 199 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: and sell that as competitive balance. They're going to sell 200 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: that as you know your tickets and your hot dog 201 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: are going to be cheaper or that you know this 202 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: is going to bring labor peace, or that this is 203 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: better for the players in the long term. I think, 204 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: you know, we can very easily kind of disprove those notions. 205 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know, let's start with competitive balance. 206 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: I think that you know, we had a phenomenal World 207 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: Series between two high payrolls and two large cities last 208 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: year and that was exciting, right, and we had probably 209 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: the two biggest stars the game has seen in quite 210 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: a while on the field. And yeah, it was a 211 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: little bit of a shorter series, but the league was 212 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: raving about that. The numbers of people that tuned in 213 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: was phenomenal. But what about the year before we had 214 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: the Rangers and the Diamondbacks. So it can be done. 215 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: You know, I think that we have things in our 216 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: system that address that. We have revenue new sharing, and 217 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: you know the fact that you know, the Dodgers are 218 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: the big boogeyman right now that went out and they 219 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: spend all this money and they're such a fun team 220 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: to play for, and they're doing all this stuff, and 221 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: they they can go out and get O Taani and 222 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: they can get this guy and that guy. Well, first 223 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: of all, every team has the ability to sign those guys. 224 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: But ultimately, the Dodgers have won two World Series in 225 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: forty years. You know, the Mets have you know, Soto 226 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: and all these guys, they've won I don't think any 227 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: since eighty six. You know, the the Yankees that are 228 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: you know, always the you know, the the what do 229 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: they call them the dark Side or whatever? You know, 230 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: the Imperial Forces, you know, they they haven't really had 231 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: a stretch where they've dominated since that mid nineties late 232 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: nineties run. So the fact that you know, we have 233 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: some sort of dynasty out there because of you know, 234 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: no salary cap is just completely false. And in other 235 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: leagues you see things like the Patriots. 236 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 3: And the Chiefs. 237 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: You see what the run that the Warriors went on, 238 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: you know the lightning here. I live in Tampa locally 239 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: in NHL, So it hasn't solved that problem in those leagues. 240 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 4: Do the play payers have a reaction to the Dodgers stuff? 241 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 4: Because we get all the time, oh you know that 242 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 4: in our comments and stuff about our show. Oh, you 243 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 4: guys are pro Dodgers. The league just wants Dodgers to win. 244 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 4: Is the same sentiment there from the players, like, oh 245 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 4: that's not fair. 246 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 3: Uh quite the opposite. 247 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: Honestly, I think you know, it can't be summed up 248 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: any better than you know. Brent Ruker came out, you 249 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: know that somebody in the media came up to him 250 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: and said, hey, what do you think about this? You know, 251 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: the Dodgers, they just get everybody. You know, they're they're 252 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: going to walk away with this. And I think his 253 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: comment to paraphrase was that you know, when when teams 254 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: signed players, that's good for players, and that's good for 255 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: the game. And you know, as a fan, you know 256 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: you want to see when you open the paper, you 257 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: open up the blog every morning that your team is 258 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: in on this player. Your team's trying to improve. Your 259 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: team thinks they can go out and get this piece 260 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: to make them a World Series contender, to take them 261 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: from getting in the playoffs to winning the playoffs. I 262 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: think that that is good for baseball. That is interesting. 263 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: I mean, we love having good offseasons. And the fact 264 00:10:58,520 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: that you know, you can take a bunch of T 265 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: teams out of the factor immediately because their GM or 266 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: their president of their owner is saying, hey, like you know, 267 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: we're just not gonna do it this year. That's that's 268 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: bad for baseball. So the Dodgers go out and signing 269 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: guys is great. I think, you know, maybe not everybody 270 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: can sign the Otani deal. I don't know, maybe it's possible, 271 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: maybe they don't think they can work a whole team 272 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: around that. But everybody can sign Kirby Yates. Everybody can 273 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: use Kirby Yates in the seventh, eighth, ninth inning of 274 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: a playoff series and be better for it. So I 275 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: don't think that they have, you know, any huge advantage 276 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: in the sense that you know, they're doing something nobody 277 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: else can do. Everybody can go out there and compete 278 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: if they'd like, just like the Dodgers. 279 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 2: Andrew, how do you solve the issues of some of 280 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: the bottom theaters right? And occasionally they'll emerge, but we 281 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: know some of the teams that stand out. There's a 282 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: really good story on the Pirates last week, and we 283 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: sorted through it and did a segment on it. Dick Monport, 284 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 2: the Rocky Zary recently came out and said I want 285 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: to cap and I want someone else to pay the 286 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 2: munch for me. I was like, okay, cool, So you 287 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: believe in the world where yeah, everybody gets the same 288 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 2: exact piece of bread, that there's a word for that 289 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: that you probably don't like. Okay, that hasn't done well 290 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: in politics, But anyway, how do you solve that because 291 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: you can't kick owners out, but there are repeat offenders 292 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: that are hurting the sport, and I think causing this 293 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 2: conversation to be like, hey, let's take down those big 294 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: teams and those big boys that actually give a crap 295 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 2: because we have to help the same group that's always 296 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: complaining and never doing anything about it. 297 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 298 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you summed it up pretty well 299 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: in the sense that their goal is not to push 300 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: teams up from the bottom or honestly to even even 301 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: it out. What they want to do is they want 302 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: to pull the teams down from the top. They want 303 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: to put restraints on the Yankees, the Dodgers, the Mets, 304 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: whoever it may be, and they don't want that money 305 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: to fully go back to the bottom teams and even out. 306 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: They're just looking for a way to spend as little 307 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: as they possibly can on players and put more money 308 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: in their pocket, which their businessmen. We understand that these 309 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: guys are billionaires for a reason, right, I mean, they're 310 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: not stupid business people. But yeah, as far as addressing that. 311 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: I think, like I said, we've done a few things 312 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: we want to go for there. Uh you know, the 313 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: most obvious is, you know, working on revenue sharing in 314 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: the league has been very difficult, and if you know, 315 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: to be completely blunt, they've said no, you know a 316 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: lot of times that this is not something they'll touch. 317 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: It's too politically, uh you know, motivated on their end, 318 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 1: they just don't get the votes. Whatever it may be. 319 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: But we have ideas and we're going to work on that, 320 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: and that's what we're sharing with players, and that's what 321 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: we're going to spend the next two years trying to 322 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: figure out what what are ways that our win wins 323 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: for everybody. We you know, again going back to the 324 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: players want to win. Players want the game to be 325 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: as great as possible. We all grew up loving this game. 326 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: A lot of us now have kids that you know, 327 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: play the show, turn on the game every night, watch 328 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: the recaps in the morning. Like that's what my son does. 329 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: He comes downstairs, he turns the recaps on and sees 330 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: what happens. And uh, you know, we have ways to 331 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: address that that are not a cap. And you know again, 332 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: like you know, the cap is going to be Rob 333 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: secure for everything, every everything that's going to come out 334 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: is he's going to say, well, if we had a CAP, 335 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: we could fix this, we could fix that. You know. 336 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: The problem is again, you know, we have all this 337 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: data from other leagues. It doesn't work. And you know, 338 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: again we hate talking about this. This is not something 339 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: that is good for the game to be talking about, 340 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: you know, unsettled labor issues. And you know, I think 341 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: one of the things Rob's going to say on that 342 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: point is that, hey, if we have a cap, we 343 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: can all you know, get along and we'll find a 344 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: way to just you know, keep rolling over and we'll 345 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: create revenue. 346 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 3: But look at other leagues. They get locked out all 347 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 3: the time. 348 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: And what they do is they get you in and 349 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: then they you know, once they've got you in the system, 350 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: they've got you there forever, and they're gonna sit there 351 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: and they're gonna chip away at it and make it 352 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: worse and worse. We've seen in other leagues. And you 353 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: know this idea that you know, Baseball has't missed a 354 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: game since ninety four, other leagues of all you know, 355 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: miss games or had extended lockouts in order to go 356 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: chip away with the players are making. 357 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 4: When your son plays the show and he has and 358 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 4: his team that he buys is the Marlins, does he 359 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 4: have to go and pick practice players up at home 360 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 4: depot or the corner too. I mean, obviously all that info, 361 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 4: all that came out while you guys were on your 362 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 4: tour for spring training. How are you guys? How does 363 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 4: the Players Association handle that? And what did you think 364 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 4: about it when you saw it? 365 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 3: Uh O, Well, the headline was pretty shocking. I didn't 366 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 3: know what to make of it. 367 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: But as far as how we handle it, you know, 368 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: we have a team of great lawyers that deal with 369 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: all that stuff that's way above my head. Uh, you know, ultimately, 370 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: I think that got shut down pretty quick. And you know, 371 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things like that. You know, the 372 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: Marlins are kind of on an island. They're pretty unique 373 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: in the ways that they try to game the system 374 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: or not play in the same system as everybody else. 375 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: For what it's worth, but I think that was shot 376 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,119 Speaker 1: down pretty quick. But yeah, I think, uh, you know, ultimately, 377 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: you know, we have to have people on staff, and 378 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: we have to have all these bright people that know 379 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: what they're doing, and we have consultants and outside, uh 380 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: you know, lawyers and all these people that that fit 381 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: into it, that address these issues and they arise. And 382 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: I think that one was a perfect example of you know, 383 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: using that to get something like that shut down pretty quick. 384 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 5: Andrew, you had a pretty good run as a reliever. 385 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 5: You sucked as a starter, but you were a pretty 386 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 5: good reliever. What is that your Is that your behind you? 387 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 5: What trophy is that? What trophies do you have behind you? 388 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: I've got ALCS MVP, which I believe it said on 389 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: the bottom there earlier, which is a pretty cool on 390 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: an eagle, the Roger Clemens Award, which is a college 391 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: pitching award. That's this one, and then over here on 392 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: the edge of the Reliever of the Year, which is 393 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: a pretty cool trophy. But I kind of missed out 394 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: on getting the big guy two the role aids that 395 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: they had in the eighties and the nineties. So very 396 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: proud of those, but uh yeah, I mean, uh, you know, 397 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: to your point, aj I was a pretty terrible starter, 398 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: you know. I think he got a couple of hits 399 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: off of me in Chicago when. 400 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 3: I first came up. I don't know if an know 401 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 3: that story. I don't know if any of them were 402 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 3: anywhere near the barrel, let alone out of the infield. 403 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 3: So went off to go. 404 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 5: So I want to tell I think I told you 405 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 5: this story in Cras. Let's bring Crads on for this 406 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 5: because he'll love this story. So he was starter with 407 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 5: the Tigers. I think he were tigers. He came up right, 408 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 5: and he was a lefty and he was throwing like 409 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 5: a million from like down here, and he's like people 410 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 5: that don't know Andrew Miller's like six seven six big, 411 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 5: are you sixty seven? And he throws way out here right, 412 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 5: And so it was two thousand and seven. I think 413 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 5: you were a starter. And he comes in and there 414 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 5: and Ozzie comes up to earth sat and goes, hey, 415 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 5: you guys got a play and we're like, against that dude, 416 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 5: they can't throw a strike and he literally is gonna 417 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 5: throw it all over the place and he's like, yeah, 418 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 5: you guys will be good. He goes lefties are like, 419 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 5: oh for thirty seven off him this year. I'm like, oh, great, thanks, Osie. 420 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 5: So you want us to fail, right, so erst out. 421 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 5: I think first a bat hits a chopper off the plate, 422 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 5: gets a hit. My first bat he throws me a 423 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 5: heater in I swing it literally hit me in the 424 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 5: knuckle right and it went about four feet foul, and 425 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 5: I go, I literally go, I don't want to act 426 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 5: like it hurts because punch was catching, and I'm like, 427 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 5: if I act like it hurts, he's gonna, he's gonna. 428 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 4: And I was like, oh man, I just missed it. 429 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 4: And I was like, oh my god, I think I 430 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 4: broke my finger. 431 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 5: And so Andrew throws me a slider and I literally 432 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 5: I'm like ugh, and I like, throw it over the 433 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 5: third basement's head. It literally barely gets the outfield, and 434 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 5: I'm like. 435 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: Yes, suck on it. 436 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 5: Oie Ersta and I both got a hit off right. 437 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 4: And then the next about I think I hit. 438 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 5: One and literally that went about fourteen feet down the 439 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 5: third baseline for a knock and I was. 440 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 4: Like two for two, Yes we own this guy. 441 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 5: And then I proceeded to never get a hit off 442 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 5: him again. But yes, he threw the ball that I 443 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 5: swung at hit me in the knuckle. 444 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 3: You have a very particular memory of that. 445 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 4: I was never I was never able. I was never 446 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 4: able to face you as a starter. But I swore 447 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 4: that your slider You could have put your slider on 448 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 4: a machine and I would have stayed out there for 449 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 4: an entire day swinging at it, and I would have 450 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 4: never gotten a hit. You struck me out three times 451 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 4: in the three at bats, and it wasn't even close. 452 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 4: I remember looking out one time and looking at you 453 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 4: and then looking at McCann, and McCann was just like, like, 454 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 4: not even close. 455 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 3: You called me in my glory days. 456 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: You missed out on the chance that AJ had to 457 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: have something hold hold over my head. 458 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, great to have and great terminus. And we'll chat 459 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 2: with them again at some point this year too.