1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just keep a real straight shot with no Jason. 2 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a little bit roughly. I'm here for it. 3 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: Those who really believe in the American process, all of 4 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: us Straight Shot No Chase. What's your girl? Tesla figure 5 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: out on the Black Effect podcasting that word name heay, 6 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: straight sh you the family? Is your girl Tesla figure? Oh, 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm still in the road traveling with Attorney Benjamin Crump 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: promoting the new Netflix documentary titled Sibyl, which is available 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: right now on Netflix. In the documentary, you will notice 10 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: your girl having a conversation with Attorney Crump. That conversation 11 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: was recorded right here on the Straight Shot No Chase 12 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: of podcast. So I thought it'd be a great time 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: to reboot the episode for you to check it out 14 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: in its entirety. If you miss part one, go back 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: and check it out. I dropped that last week, and 16 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 1: now this week we're going to drop part two so 17 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: you can hear the entire interview with myself and Attorney Crump. 18 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: If you haven't checked out the documentary on Netflix, please 19 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: do so and then prepared to discuss it with me 20 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 1: on upcoming Straight Shot No Chaser episodes Live on Instagram, 21 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: so make sure you follow me on Instagram at Tesla 22 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,199 Speaker 1: Figuro and also follow me on Twitter. 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You are open, You 32 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: see value and everyone's voice, even mine or anybody that 33 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, whether they're just now new in the business. 34 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: Are a lot of people that I've introduced you to 35 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: that will never imagine you spending time talking to them. 36 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: You absolutely see value in everyone. And this interview is 37 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: not something sure leading you know, Rob, Rob when people listen, 38 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: because that's what that be say all you just sharing 39 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: been No, I'm telling you what I've witnessed for myself. 40 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: You have been remarkable in lifting as you climb. I 41 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: have a lot of clients as you know that I 42 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: work with and people never know that I work with 43 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: that you may know and others may know that I 44 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: give that I work in communication space, and that's fine. 45 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 1: They don't have to give me credit in a public way. 46 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: You have always done it, and I want people to know. 47 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: I have told you multiple times. Turn you don't need 48 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: to keep doing that, just do. But you make it 49 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: a point to know what value I bring to your 50 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: team and others. You make a point that people know 51 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: about co council. It's not just you working on these cases. 52 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: There's other terms. There's always a local attorney in every 53 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: city on these cases that you're working with, and you 54 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: make a point to include the local attorneys, to include 55 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: the consultants, to include whether it's Charlemagne for just you know, 56 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: during the interview, are mentioning Ricky Smiley, Steve Hart, whoever 57 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: helps you move these conversations. So you always make a 58 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: point to lift as you climb. And I just want 59 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: you to speak on that, and then we're gonna go 60 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: into voting and wrap up details. It starts with my mother. 61 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: Read it because my mother, like most black women, we're 62 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: miracle workers. And I watched my mother raised three boys 63 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 1: on her own in the project, working two jobs. One 64 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: is a hotel made during laundry in the morning and afternoon, 65 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: and then leaving that job and then coming make sure 66 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: we had food on the table. Did a whole work, 67 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: and then when it worked at the Converse shoe factory. 68 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: That's why sending the Comela Harris and I talked so 69 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: much and joke Tess about Chuck Taylor's because my mother 70 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: and Damn new Chuck Taylor when they used to make 71 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: the Converse shoes. But my mother also would indoctrinate in 72 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: my mind Tass. She would always tell me after I 73 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: watched that lady working herself to death to make sure 74 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: we had a roof of our hair, food on the 75 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: table and hoping our hearts um, she would tell me that, baby, 76 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: life ain't fair. Life is hard. You make it fair 77 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: about what you bring to the table, and if you 78 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: don't bring anything to the table, don't expect anybody to 79 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: let you sit down at the table. And then she 80 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: was saying, when you get to the table, make sure 81 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: you bring some of us with you. And I always 82 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: remember that, Terraser. So when I think about a shot 83 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 1: brilliant articulate system like yourself. I'm like, hold on, man, 84 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: it would be a shame of me to get all 85 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: the benefit that you give me. And I mean some 86 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: of the things, some of the talking parts of stuff, 87 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: have really made the difference between me being successful in litigation. 88 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: I think about Flint, Michigan and all the work you 89 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: did there, and I would be remissed if when I 90 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: got an opportunity to give reflective sunshine to young brothers 91 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: and sisters, whether there's my co counsels and I make 92 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: a point of working with her young black lawyers on 93 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: every case. I'll be hable white lawyers working with me, 94 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: but you're the best. Believe there's gonna be a black 95 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: lawyer there, a young person who I'm making sure not 96 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: only get a claim but also get money so they 97 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: can grow their business. And that's very important because I 98 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: think God has blessed me more than I could ever 99 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: have imagine. I mean, I'm a little country boy from 100 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: the projects and to be considered one of the top 101 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: lawyers in the world. I think about the people trying 102 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 1: to bring me to Europe and so forth, to speaking 103 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: to Brazil and Africa, and I think about when we're 104 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: in the projects, nobody ever would have thought about that. 105 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: So how could I keep the blessings to myself? How 106 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: could I not share the blessings with as many people 107 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: as I can share? And that's really tears Why I 108 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: just can't get caught up on the haters, because I 109 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: do believe that Guy has a plan for me. Guy 110 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: has a plan for you, And can't nobody stop God's 111 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: blessing that he has for you. Man, Amen of that, 112 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: and I believe it too. But I'm still gonna check 113 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: them all along the way. Every chance I get, I 114 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: catch them all. But every down there. You know, when 115 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: we when we have these opportunities, I want to do 116 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: it because your legacy is important. I want to talk 117 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: about the upcoming election. We have an election coming up. 118 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: Obviously there's a lot of talk about you know. You 119 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: and I go back and forth about this all the 120 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: time because again proving that you keep people around you 121 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: that are different. I've worked for Senda Bernie. I'm no, 122 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: never get it confused. She is the Malcolm always always 123 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: never get a confused. I'm just saying, hey, chance I 124 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: think we go down and don't think about I love 125 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: it if people get a chance to go watch us 126 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: on the breakfast club we did in Minnesota when I 127 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: was really going in on on and you were patting 128 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: my back into and you would pat Charlemagne threw me 129 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: the lay up so I had to dunk it, and 130 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: then being started patting me on my back when I 131 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: was going too far. I laughed. We laughed on the 132 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: plane because somebody in come and said, being, don't be 133 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: patting my sist. She was. She was just going in. 134 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: I was trying to do this United States senator, who 135 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: had done a lot of things that were probably not 136 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: beneficial for our community, was trying to as if she 137 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: had did so much for our community, and tig was not. 138 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: So let's speak to that, you know, because you know 139 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of Biden, and you have had, 140 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: you know, your concerns with Joe Biden, and who doesn't 141 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: anybody in the civil space, anybody concerned with yeah and 142 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: criminal justice wouldn't have concerns with Joe Biden. But I 143 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: want you to speak to and then you know there's 144 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: an argument after wh let's just go with the lesser 145 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: of two evils and we gotta get Trump out. I 146 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: want you to talk because you know you and I'll 147 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: tell you all the time. Everybody not scared of Trump. 148 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: You know, people that don't have nothing that I'm scared 149 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: of Trump being in. But I want you to speak 150 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: to what it means when you have a Republican controlled 151 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: legislative body, not just at the federal but at the 152 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: state and local. And Daniel Cameron is a great example 153 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: to Daniel Cameron for those listen if that is the 154 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: state attorney for Brianna Taylor and so speak to that, 155 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: like how these elections matter even if you're not motivated 156 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: by Biden, if you don't hate Trump enough, speak to 157 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: why it is important to vote on November three, especially 158 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: when we talk about our judicial system. You know, Tears. 159 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: I remember two thousand sixteen many people saying, well, it 160 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: doesn't make a difference between Hillary and Donald Trump. And 161 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: in the four years since people stay at home on 162 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: Hiller at Donald Trump and his Republican conservative agenda became president. 163 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: They have appointed three hundred federal judges. And if they 164 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: get their way and Tears you, tim, it's gonna happen. 165 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: I of the god that won't. But he's gonna get 166 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: to appoint a third Supreme Court justice who is going 167 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: to influence our way of life for days and decades 168 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: to come. I mean, it's gonna be far reaching consequences 169 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: where those Supreme Court justices are gonna do. And so 170 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: elections have consequences from the top to the bottom. And 171 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: when I say from the top to the bottom, it 172 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: matters who you elect as your congress people, It matters 173 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: who you elect as your governor. It really matters who 174 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: you elect as you're married, because the mayor is gonna 175 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: pick the police chief. And we know black people's most 176 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: interaction with the government. It's gonna problem with me with 177 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: the local police. That's the reality, because they target us, 178 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, they profile us. And when we do the 179 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: know your Rights count tables and Kapernik, we tell the 180 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: young people it's not if the police pull you over, 181 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: it's when the police pull you over, because you if 182 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: you're black in America between the ages of eighteen and 183 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: thirty five, you are going to get pulled over by 184 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: the police for riding the bicycle while black, walking while black, 185 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: driving while black, chomping while black, banking while black. There's 186 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: gonna be something that gets you confronted and detained by 187 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: the police. And so it matters who that marriage, who 188 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: police that picks that police chief who dictates what kind 189 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: of police department we're gonna have. And that's why Brianna 190 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: Taylor settlement in the civil matter was so significant. Criticide 191 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 1: of the twelve million dollars which was one of the 192 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 1: largest amounts ever paid out for a black woman in 193 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: the history of America, for a room for death and 194 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: the police shooting it. But those reforms, just the fact 195 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: that they're gonna incentivize police officers to live in the 196 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: communities they actually put leae. I mean, that's the neighbor 197 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: we want to hope and believe that they would be 198 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: less apt tests to shoot first and ask questions later 199 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: if they say, oh that's Tess brother, Oh that's Marcy's 200 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: my friend, you know, and they knowing and so forth, 201 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: and think about what they're doing. If they stay in 202 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: the neighborhood for twenty years, they would have essentially bought 203 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: them a home. And we know the greatest opportunity for 204 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: access to capital and webb from middle class and blue 205 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: collar people is homeownership. And so that's significant and that's 206 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: what elections matter. When you have Democrats in power, uh 207 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: in the mayor's office in Loilvill versus the Republican Daniel Cameron, 208 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: who went out his weight in his grand jury to 209 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: make sure that these killer cops were exonerated for killing 210 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 1: Uh Brianna Table. And then when you think about the 211 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: district attorney's chairs, man, I mean literally the district attorney 212 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: every county is decided about a few thousand votes, and 213 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: black people, if we go vote, we would be the 214 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: critical mass that d A decides who goes to jail. 215 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: He decided the fact killer cop and Trayvion and Philandoca 216 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: Still and Michael Brown and Ferguson and Walter Scott in 217 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: New York and Garden in New York, Tamil Race in Cleveland, 218 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: UH Traybon martin Saford, Florida, both the Jon and Dallas, Texas, 219 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: Terence Crutcher and uh JSA Oklahoma, UH Joseph Fritchardson and 220 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: Baton Rules Louisanna Alton Sterling and Baton Routh Louisanna Stefan 221 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: Clark in Sacramento, California. He's there FDA in Los Angeles, California. 222 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: Di jail Dejon and Kenzie in Los Angeles, California. Uh, 223 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: you understanding the seven year old killed in Detroit, Michigan. 224 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 1: Um Natasha McKinney, the sister and her T shirt and 225 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: underwear inside the jail, who was past twelve times and died. 226 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: The d A is gonna decide whether they go to 227 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: jail or not. But you know what that's that d 228 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: ain't gonna do. He's gonna decide whether your cousin, whether 229 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: your nephew, whether your son, whether your daughter, whether your husband, 230 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: whether your brother, whether your daddy, whether your mom. They're 231 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: gonna decide quite literally, who goes to jail in the community, 232 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: who's given the benefit of the doubt, who's given the 233 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: benefit of consideration, who's given the benefit of possibility. That's 234 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: what that local district attorney is gonna do. And so 235 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: when that district attorney is sending all our children to jail, 236 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: I mean in every grand year proceeding. But then when 237 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,079 Speaker 1: we have evidence of a cop on video shooting and killing, know, 238 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: excessively brutalizing the black person, and they don't send that 239 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: the person to jail, you should not be saying, oh, 240 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: being Cropp lost the case or whatever great civil rights 241 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: law you're fighting about it. We were trying to fight 242 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: to bring attention to it. And you ain't gonna hold 243 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: you've accountable. Yeah, I ain't gonna talk about the prosecutors. 244 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: That's why we got to educate our people and engage 245 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: our people, and so test I appreciate. Don't ever think 246 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: I don't appreciate you trying to go clear them out 247 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: for me. But I don't even worry about that foolish 248 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: no more. Becaumes if they too ignorant to understand that 249 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: it's these white prosecutors that are letting these killer cops 250 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: get away with murder, then they don't really understand American. 251 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: That's exactly it. And you know, I don't spend too 252 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: much time trying to clear it out because you've got 253 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: me busy working. We're actually doing the work. I just 254 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: think it's important that it's at least out there, just 255 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: like in court that is on the record, and this 256 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: is an interview that at least you don't put it 257 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: on the record, because it's important to say that. And 258 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: I will say this before a close I hope the 259 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: Democrats listen, you know, to what you just said, because 260 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: that entire thing that you just said gives people a 261 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: reason to vote. You didn't mention Trump our Biden one time. 262 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: It gave them something of substance that made sense, that connects, 263 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: that talks about how to fects them. And like we 264 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier in the interview, over one hundred police reform 265 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: policies have been put in place since the murder of 266 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: George Floyd. So this is working. It's not always this 267 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: change is gonna come. It's coming down the law keep 268 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: on going. Who want to keep showing up for a 269 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: losing team. If you can be out and explain that 270 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: and explain how it makes sense, that's what people want 271 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: to hear. Because the moment we say, well it just 272 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: gotta be about Trump, it just turns off a lot 273 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: of people because although that motivates something, it doesn't motivate all. 274 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: And the lease of these people that really don't have 275 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: and don't have money, they're just not motivated by the 276 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: Trump fear tactive because they already don't have. But if 277 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: you can explain it in a way that you did 278 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: that it makes sense, actual substance, then we can see 279 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: more people at the posts on November three. And that's 280 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: what I've been pushing for, you know, to get that message. 281 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: And there's so much truth you say. Really, when you 282 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: think about the fact After Michael Brown was killed the Ferguson, 283 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: the young people started to strategize and organize, and they 284 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: may share that the white district Attorney Bob McCullough who 285 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: refused to prosecute the killer Michael Brown, who had his 286 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: hands up and broad daylight in Ferguson masseurri and we 287 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: all started saying, hands up, don't shoot. They made sure 288 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: he got defeated, and a young African American who had 289 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: never ran for office was elected for the first time 290 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: as a black prosecutor in St. Louis County. And so 291 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: elections matter so much when we give people reasons to 292 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: go vote. I think about every said y'allow who got 293 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: elected in the aftermath for Trade Behind in Orlando. I 294 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: think about Kim Fox in Chicago who got elected in 295 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: the from at for Lkwam McDonald. Remember that brother who 296 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: you don't talk about much. I didn't represent him. I 297 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: wish it got more attention in that case because that 298 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: video was just horrific when you think about he got 299 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: shot one and when he was running away from the police, 300 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: even though all thirteen of those police officers lied and 301 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: saying that he was charging at the cop for for 302 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: night the video clearly shows he was running away, shot 303 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: him one time, and then the police officer proceeded to 304 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: shoot him seventeen times more while he was on the 305 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: ground and executed that young black seventeen year old boar 306 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: Lakwa McDonald. And it was in the aftermatter that that 307 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: Chicago Cook County organized and strategized and ellected their first 308 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: black in their history to be prosecuted. And so I 309 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: know we can do it. Test we just got to 310 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: have the right messages. And that's why I appreciate you 311 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: board on all these shows with straight no chase that 312 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: and really breaking it down because I man, you know, 313 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: I'll be telling sender to come Larry when you tell 314 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: me stuff. I just be texting it right to her 315 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: because I'm you need to consider this now, because we 316 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 1: gotta admit our mistakes in the past, and we got 317 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: to talk about how we can resolve them together in 318 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: the future, and that we're gonna own up to what happened, 319 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: but we're gonna do better with your health. And always 320 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: delivered that message, do not fight what you have done 321 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: because what is done in the past done in the past. 322 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: You can't go back and change it. The only thing 323 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: you can do is try to convince me that you 324 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: learn from your mistakes and you're gonna do better. And 325 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: that's right. And like the old Blue song says, put 326 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: it on paper, because being black is not enough. And 327 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: you know, I know you have lived black folks. You know, 328 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: I'm always good to say, yeah, they're black being but 329 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: still we got we have to make sure that we 330 00:18:53,320 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: hold them accountable. And I want to say this, and 331 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you close. I'm not worried about what 332 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: the hey to say either, because we're too busy to move. 333 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: But your legacy is important. And I think about mom Robert, 334 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: your client, our client that we met in Tulsa, Oklahoma, 335 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: when nobody talked about their case, and the family reached 336 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: out to me and said, they're changing the narrative. They're 337 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: making him be something that he's not. He's a good kid, 338 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,239 Speaker 1: he really is. You know a lot of folks like say, oh, 339 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: he was a good kid, he never did anything. Mon 340 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: Roebert really was a good kid, you know, son of 341 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: a pastor mother first lady, never got in any trouble 342 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: in his life, literally and being shot by security guard 343 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: as he was driving away, paralyzed from the neck down 344 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: when I called you in staid, Attorney Crump. I remember 345 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: putting out a press release by myself on just my 346 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: word Press, no big name behind it. I wasn't doing 347 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: national commentary at that time. I just did the only 348 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: thing that I knew to do and said I have 349 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: to put this out just so that somebody knows it, 350 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: and calling you and saying, Attorney Crump, something has to 351 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: be said about this young man. And because he was living, 352 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: and because it wasn't on video, that story wasn't told. 353 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,239 Speaker 1: But through the advocacy and through really pushing you dig 354 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: get that story told on on Crime Watch Daily. It 355 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: was a story that no one ever really didn't give 356 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: a lot of attention to. But I remember the looking 357 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: Monroe's eyes. He was paralyzed from the neck down, so 358 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 1: nothing on his body moved, but his face couldn't move, 359 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: his arms, he couldn't move his chest, and walking into 360 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: his room, the only thing that could move was his 361 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: mouth and his face, and the smile on his face 362 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: that said my publicist is here. That I take that 363 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: with me, Ben, because when you when you have a 364 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: living victim lived, look in your eyes and say this 365 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: is the only person fighting for me. I don't give 366 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: a damn what they say on Twitter. I wanted on 367 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: the record because I want the information out there. But 368 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 1: what moves me it's Man Roberts saying they're here now 369 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: to fight for me. I remember bringing you to the hospital, 370 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: standing by his bedside, saying, man, I'm gonna do everything 371 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: I can to fight for you. That was so powerful 372 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: to me. He couldn't move anything but its mouth. And 373 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: I want people to visualize that when they sent mon 374 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: roe Bert home and we were at the hospital, and 375 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: I remember saying, because his insurance, even though he was 376 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: a Native American, he had Native American insurance, he had 377 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: private insurance, his insurance was exhausted. And I said, if 378 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: you send him home, you're sending him home to die. 379 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: And that was not to be negative, it was not 380 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: to wish anything harm on him, but it was just 381 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: what I felt my spirit. And Mon Robert passed away 382 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: sixty days after sending him home, less than sixty days. 383 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: His story in which we know we did the hashtag 384 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: stand from in roll. When I'm standing in this space 385 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: and you allow me an opportunity to stand next to 386 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: you and and and all of your brilliant legal team, 387 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: I am standing still for mon Roe Bert and people 388 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: like him, because when these victims are deceased, we don't 389 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: have a chance to talk to them. And mon roe 390 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: Bert put something in me to know what that means 391 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: when when all they have is that little bit of hope. 392 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: And so I just wanted to speak from my standpoint 393 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: to thank you for the opportunity to be exposed to 394 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: something that will go in history books on all of 395 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: the things that you've done, just personally, you and your 396 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: team and everything that you've contributed to to social justice. 397 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna leave with that, and I do want 398 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: people to read your book. You don't talk a lot 399 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: about your book. I'll be on you about that, but 400 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: you have a book called Open Seas and the Legalized 401 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: Genocide of Colored People and where you connect all of 402 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: these stories and how this is so historic and how 403 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: people need to have an understanding of history. But Attorney Crump, 404 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: who being my brother, I want you to know that 405 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: you have certainly impacted my life, the life of my 406 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: daughter as a single mom, and given me an opportunity 407 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,479 Speaker 1: to be on this microphone. And with that, I'm going 408 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: to let you close and have your final statement to 409 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: leave us with some hope and some encouragement on how 410 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: we should continue on, to stay on the fight and 411 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,239 Speaker 1: know that the battle is not over absolutely and as 412 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: you are a force of nature. I don't mean say 413 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: that lightly because I never ever want to be on 414 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: the side of Tess when she's playing in the Malcolm 415 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: role every nine Yeah, she has stayed with me on 416 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: what side as long as I can? Is there something 417 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: happened and I see Malcolm jump out, but there's congratulations 418 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: on the show. I just believe that you have an 419 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: incredible future. I don't only think you fathom what God 420 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: has a story for you. This is just one step 421 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: on the journey. And I'll conclude like this. People often 422 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: ask me, Test, what is it that keeps you going? 423 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: Being cropped after all these cases, all these miscarriages of 424 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: justice where the killers are not here accountable because they're 425 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: wearing a gun and a badge, and you know all 426 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: these racist stand your ground laws? What is it that 427 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: keeps you going? And I say the same thing every time. 428 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: Test two answers. Number One, I look at my daughter, 429 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: my children. You know, I'm so proud of them. I 430 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: look at them, I see the hope in their eyes, 431 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: the optimism, a chancellor, my little bass god stepson. He 432 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: called me uncle band. Here they're leading the Black Lives 433 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: Matter and Tallahasset why he's smoking weed and I'm like, man, 434 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: how are you gonna be a friend and lead away? 435 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: You getting gluted up every night? But even with his 436 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: short trim as, I see the potential in the ope, 437 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: and that inspires me to fight because I can't give 438 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: up on them. If we gave up and said, you know, 439 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: there's nothing we can do, then really we're giving up 440 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: on our children. And we can't do that because our 441 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: grandparents sacrifice then didn't give up on us, our great 442 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: great great grandparents back in the cotton fields and slavery. 443 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: They dreamed about utails being on your own podcast. They 444 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: dreamed about me being a lawyer. They dreamed about that, 445 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: and that's what kept them going, saying that I know 446 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: there is a brighter future. Five people, we just gotta believe. 447 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: We just can't give up on us, And so that's 448 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: what motivates me. And the secondly, the final reason that 449 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: I know if I to shadow but doubt that we're 450 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: gonna win. I remember what they taught me at first 451 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: year law school. They would indoctrinated in our minds jazz. 452 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: They talked about precedents. They kept saying everything has to 453 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: be based on precedents, and they kept saying all these 454 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: president court cases, in future court cases, they have to 455 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: look to precedents because we have to have consistency in 456 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 1: the law and everything has to be based on precedents. Now, 457 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: I didn't believe that. Dash When I look at the 458 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: precedents based on black people in America with these laws, 459 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: it tells me that the United States Supreme Court said 460 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: that we were slaves and based on precedents, if we 461 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: kept everything the same, you and I would still be 462 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: a slave. You remember the Dress Scott decision said that 463 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: there were no rights that a black man had that 464 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: a white man was bound to respect. So that was 465 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: the precedents in America. So I didn't accept what my 466 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: professors was telling me, but I did understand what they 467 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: were trying to communicate to us that based on precedents 468 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: is a good indicator or what is likely to happen 469 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: in the future. And so when I think of the 470 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: precedents of black people in America, I think of everything 471 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: that we've overcome. I mean, we overcame slavery. I think 472 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: of the precedents that we overcame, the Middle Passage. I 473 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: think of the precedents that we overcame being defined as 474 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: three simp stuff a human being. I think of the 475 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: presidents where Gradscott decision, that terrible decision, said we had 476 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: no rights that a white person had to respect. I 477 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: think of the presidents of reconstruction. I think of the 478 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: presidents of US overcoming separate but equal, let's overcome the 479 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: President be ferguson us overcoming Jim Crow Junior and Jim 480 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: Crow Senior. And I think about everything that black people 481 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: have overcome that America has told at us. And you 482 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: know what that tells me, based on precedents, that whatever 483 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: they thought us in the future, we're gonna overcome it, 484 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: and we're gonna be all right because our precedents and 485 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: black people in America that we will overcome whatever this 486 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: racist society tries to throw in us. God bless you, 487 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: Tess the figure. Oh, thank you for giving me that 488 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: us solicited advice. It had served me well along our journey. 489 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: My friend, Well, I appreciate everyone listening to America's black 490 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: Attorney general. Thank you so much. Being Crump for lending 491 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: your time, your very important time that you have out 492 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: there serving. And I just want people to know this, 493 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: if Ben Crump can deal with death threats, you can 494 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: best believe he doesn't. Doesn't give a down about what 495 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: you're saying on social media. This is about social justice. However, 496 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: it was important that we put this out here, the 497 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: miss to deal with the miss, misconceptions, the truth, so 498 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: that you can hear directly from Attorney Crump. None of 499 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: this interview was scripted, none of it was pre planned. 500 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: It was Ralls, straight shot, no chaser. You just heard 501 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: a conversation that Attorney Crump and I have all of 502 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: the time. And I always tell people you heard Attorney 503 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: Crumb say that at the end of the day, he's 504 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: here to do the right thing. And there's a song, 505 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: an old spiritual song that I played at my mother's funeral, 506 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: and it said that when I get over, I'll put 507 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: on the rope and I will tell the story. And 508 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: at some point you will have to tell the story. 509 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: Whether I'm telling it on this microphone, whether I'm telling 510 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: it at the protest, whether I am screaming it to 511 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: an elected official, the story must be told. And Ben 512 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: Crump is one of the best storytellers a social justice 513 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,959 Speaker 1: and the injustices that Black Americans have received in this country. 514 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: And so I always tell people use it, lose it, 515 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: but I can't make it, choose it. But at some 516 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: point you will have to make a choice. And we 517 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: will be dividing up the week from the strong, the gs, 518 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: from the busters, the sheep from the goat, and I 519 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: suggest that you are on the right side of history. 520 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: Like Michael Brown's mother say you either with us are 521 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: you not? And I always say you're either with us, 522 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: are You're not. We organized from block to block. Thank 523 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: you so much as HERNI been Ron Crownford johinnying me today. 524 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: You have been listening to straight Shot No Chaser with 525 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: Tesla Figuro on the Black Effect Podcast Network on I 526 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: Heart Radio until next time. If you like what you 527 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: heard on Straight Shot No Chaser, please subscribe and drop 528 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: a five star review and tell a friend. 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