1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Native Lampard is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. Next up, Bakari, There's a really, really 3 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: important vote taking place on the House floor. 4 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: While we're recording this show today. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: On Tuesday, Congressman Hakim Jeffries, who of course is the 6 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,639 Speaker 1: House Minority Leader, had a conversation in a meeting with 7 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: his colleagues, and he said that he will not pose 8 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: or he will oppose a bid to cut off israel 9 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: aid from the United States. A lot of people are 10 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: just bewildered by Hakim's continued pledge of allegiance to Israel. 11 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: This is an amendment to the twenty twenty seven spending 12 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: bill for the State Department and Overseas programs. It was 13 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: an amendment introduced by Rocanna and Thomas Massey. So Thomas 14 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: Massey had this to say about Jeffrey's position. He says, 15 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: Minority Leader Jeffries opposes the massy Kana amendment to cut 16 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: three billion dollars of aid to Israel, but leaves members 17 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: of his party to vote their conscience. My conscience is clear. 18 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: I will vote against using American tax dollars to fund genocide. 19 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 2: Now here's the plot twist. 20 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: Butkary, I don't know if you know this, but generally 21 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: the House Democratic Party leadership will never part ways on 22 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: a vote. 23 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 2: They always stand united. 24 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: My theory of the case has been for some time 25 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 1: that I believe Catherine Clark, who is the minority whip, 26 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: intends to challenge Hakim Jeffries for Speaker in the new Congress. 27 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: I will say to y'all, because you get mad about 28 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: where I have allegiance, so let me be clear. Hakim 29 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: is a good friend. I've known him since before he 30 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: got to Congress. On this particular issue, there could not 31 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: be more daylight between the our positions. He knows that 32 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: I love him dearly. Don't understand this wish that he 33 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: would pivot. He has pivoted in this bill. He said 34 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: that this is probably the last time he can do 35 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: something like this. 36 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: I believe. 37 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: I hope I didn't misquote him, But Catherine Clark said 38 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: she ain't doing it this time. So this is the 39 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: first time that I know of that there's been a 40 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: break in Democratic leadership in how they're going to vote. 41 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: They have left the rest of the caucus to vote 42 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: their conscience, but normally they vote together. So I think 43 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: this is a telling sign of what I've been predicting. 44 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: This is what Catherine Clark said. She said, quote, I 45 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: think that there is a this is a cynical effort 46 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: with this amendment to divide people, but it is also 47 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: a chance to say clearly that the status quote is 48 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: not acceptable. I see this as a slight and a 49 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: swipe at Hakem. But I'm dying to know what you think. 50 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 3: About I don't think it's a swipe at a Kim, and 51 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: I don't. I can't imagine her. You may have more 52 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: insight than I do, because you talk to them more 53 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 3: than I do, but I can't especially leadership, but I 54 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 3: can't imagine her challenging. I think Akin will be challenged 55 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 3: by somebody from the progressive left. I don't think it 56 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 3: will be her, but whomever it is, I think will 57 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 3: get dog walked in a vote. I do want to 58 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: just add another layer of context because I agree with 59 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 3: her on the fact that this is a cynical effort. 60 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 3: Because it's kind of weird that many people don't know 61 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: that we provide or subsidize between one hundred and fifty 62 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 3: to one hundred and eighty countries around the world right now. 63 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 3: People don't even know who who is on that list. 64 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,399 Speaker 3: The countries may be, you know, they made sponsoredterrorist organizations, 65 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 3: They may you know, have harsh punishment against gays. No, 66 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 3: I mean, nobody really has gone through that list and 67 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 3: come through it and been like, who are these one 68 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty one hundred and eight? The overwhelming majority, though, 69 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: just so people do know, does go to Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Ukraine, Afghanistan. 70 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 3: Those are the five countries that receive the bulk of 71 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 3: the funding. And so the question is why now, why this, 72 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: why not? Why single lot Israel? What is the purpose 73 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: of it? Where are we gonna go with this? And 74 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 3: I think that she's right to note that centenicis I mean, 75 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: it puts it puts people up there in a in 76 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: a terrible buying and I think that you know, a Keeme. 77 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 3: I have a lot of questions for Kem Jeffries about 78 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: how he's going to lead, because you can't lead. Nancy 79 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 3: Pelosi ain't never had nobody in her leadership cohort say 80 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: I'm not voting with you, and that's an unfair comparison. 81 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 3: I know that, but I do know that her leadership 82 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 3: style was We're gonna rock this way, we're gonna do this, 83 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: we're gonna accomplish this, and we're gonna do it together, 84 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,119 Speaker 3: and you're going to get on board or get off. 85 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 3: And so I'm interested. 86 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: To see in leadership, not the whole caucus. 87 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 3: In leadership for sure. Yeah yeah, but if I mean, 88 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 3: if if there was somebody she remembered, if there was 89 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: somebody in the caucus who didn't rock with her, she 90 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 3: definitely remembered that. But my point is that because this 91 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: isn't passing, this isn't this isn't passing, right, Okay, this 92 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: isn't passing. I think that there this is a vote 93 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 3: to to further split and divide caucus on this issue 94 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 3: of Israel. I'm more concerned about votes of some consequence 95 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 3: down the line, how a king will be leader or 96 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: will be Speaker of the House and keeping people in line, 97 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 3: because you can't tell people on things of consequence, go 98 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 3: vote your conscience. Either we gonna do it together or 99 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 3: we're not, because the margins are going to be this thing. 100 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: Well, I think that he knows that he doesn't have 101 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: the caucus on this, and I think that's the thing 102 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: that's concerning to me. At some point this issue becomes 103 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: so damning. It could cost him that, you know, his dream, 104 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: which is to become speaker. And I think what is 105 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: unfortunate here is I've watched him, you know, lead from 106 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: the back. In many ways. He is a coalition based leader. 107 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: He's somebody that likes to put other people in position 108 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,559 Speaker 1: to get wins. And I think he's extraordinarily effective there. 109 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: I think where he's not been as effective is in 110 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: framing the issues, in being able to say, like, there's 111 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: an immediate crisis here right now, and these are the 112 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: ways that we need to respond to these in the 113 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: immediate making sure that the public. 114 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 2: Sees that part of his leadership, and being. 115 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: Able to say at the same time, and trust me, 116 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: this will change in November. 117 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: And this is. 118 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 3: How we talked. We've been beating that drum. We need 119 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: to get a cheme on the show. Because that's I 120 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 3: got one question for I don't even that's my big that's. 121 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: My question for I do I do want to do that? 122 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: I think that's a good idea. 123 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 3: So that's what I do. Disagree with you on this point. 124 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: Well maybe it's not a disagreement, but I would bet 125 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 3: you cheesecake factory that man, you got to get them 126 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: lettuce wraps. 127 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: I'm not eating no lettuce right now. 128 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: There are the flying ship is happening outside like anyway, 129 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: That's not my problem. 130 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 2: People got the flying ships everywhere. Now. I don't want that. 131 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 2: I don't want your taco bit. 132 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 3: I do think the overwhelming not the over woman, well 133 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 3: overwhelming majority of the caucus is going to vote no 134 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 3: one this amendment. 135 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: I think you're right. That's my point. So here's my 136 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: here's my thing. If you keep being on the other side. 137 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 3: No, no, no, we're saying, we're saying two diferent things. 138 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: I'm agreeing with you. I'm just saying this one point 139 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 2: for people. 140 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: If you keep being on the opposite side of the 141 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: folks who are leading, at some point, does that impact 142 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: your ability to garner their support for the thing you 143 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: want the most? And I think that is the conversation 144 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: worth having with his kitchen cabinet, you know, his collective 145 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: of advisors. I just think that this is a politically 146 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: toxic issue, and I'll advise because it's not just what 147 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: did Catherine Clark call it? 148 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, but what's the quote? I don't remember. 149 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: But the point is, it's not just like this little 150 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: issue that you know, people can just cast aside. We're 151 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: talking about thousands of people who died. She said, it's 152 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: a cynical effort. Genocide cannot be like talked about in 153 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: that way. 154 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: Effort. 155 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 3: But she's talking about the she's talking about that, and 156 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: this is where democrats and this is you're highlighting a 157 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 3: really good point because this is where Democrats kind of lose. 158 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 3: She's talking about the inside baseball and how they make sausage. 159 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: Part like, this is a cynical effort, this vote putting 160 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 3: up this amendment. Massy and Rocanna. 161 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: I don't think that that's a cynical effort. 162 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: I think Rokanna wasn't he just himmed up by some Israelis, 163 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: Like this. 164 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 3: Is personal for you got kidnapped or something. 165 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: Pull up, somebody, pull up the thing. He just got 166 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: hmmed up by the Israelis himself. Here, let me pull 167 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: this for you, because let me make sure that we 168 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: get there. 169 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I got kids. I can't pay attention to everything. 170 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 3: And I know, like he was just with him a 171 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago. 172 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, he was detained by Israeli settlers after 173 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: his recent trip to the West Bank. 174 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: It was it was uh not long ago. 175 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 3: See that's what BB got to get them settled. 176 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,359 Speaker 2: I mean, you can't progressive congressman accuses is raising. 177 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,239 Speaker 3: A whole lot to say about. 178 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: And in the occupied West Bank. 179 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 3: Here we can put in those settlers. I mean, I 180 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 3: can understand how you would say with that, with that context, 181 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 3: I can understand how you will say with with ro Conna. 182 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 3: It's not a cynical effort. 183 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 2: So why would you so? 184 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: Then so then this is the problem with her, right, 185 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: that's a member of your party. 186 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: So now you're saying, like, now you're. 187 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 3: You're it's like she's supporting him, but she like there's 188 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 3: some ship but I'm with you. 189 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: But if so, I'm just saying, why do that? Like 190 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 2: you don't know what thattia. He was in horror, he 191 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: was experiencing. Like, I just don't think that's cool. 192 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: And I don't think saying like we want people on 193 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: the record about this is the wrong thing to do. 194 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: History is gonna be kind to the people who forced 195 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: votes on this. I think, you know, anyway, we can 196 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: move on. But I just think it is worthy of 197 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: a conversation. 198 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 3: I would love and I swear I'm sorry ro I 199 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: missed that whole thing, and thank you Angela for educating 200 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 3: me on that. 201 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: Native Lampard is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 202 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: Resent Choice Media. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visits iHeartRadio app, 203 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, wherever you listen to your favorite shows.