Speaker 1: What's that at the bed. It's spooky, Hey jooky. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: he said, I not nandas pease. Hey boo, it's me
Speaker 1: Roz and welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast
Speaker 1: where I like to talk to people that I like
Speaker 1: about the Bear of Normal. I want to tell you
Speaker 1: I got some tickets to sell. Honey, I'm doing stand
Speaker 1: up comedy, not talking about ghosts. And I swear it's
Speaker 1: like this weird algorithm thing now on social media where
Speaker 1: if you're posting like flyers or you're trying to sell
Speaker 1: tickets or whatever like it, just Instagram does not let
Speaker 1: people see it and it's driving me crazy. So i'll
Speaker 1: tell you here. I am going to be in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: This is a new show that has been added. There's
Speaker 1: two nights, the twelfth and thirteenth of July, so it's
Speaker 1: coming up quick, and that's at the Eclectic Box Theater.
Speaker 1: You can get the tickets on my Instagram at Roz Hernandez.
Speaker 1: I have my linktree. It's linktree dot com slash ros Hernandez.
Speaker 1: And then the following day I'm going to Austin, Austin,
Speaker 1: Texas the fourteenth of July, and that's at Capcity Comedy
Speaker 1: Club and I would love to see you there now.
Speaker 1: Full disclosure. This episode that you are listening to, the
Speaker 1: entire thing my first time recording after some tragic news
Speaker 1: happened in my life. I just lost my dog Rocky.
Speaker 1: So I feel like I'm a little lower energy than
Speaker 1: normal because it's been a rough week for me. I
Speaker 1: had my dog for fourteen years. Well, I mean I
Speaker 1: adopted him fourteen years ago. My parents had him for
Speaker 1: a couple of years. Whatever. My first time losing a
Speaker 1: dog that I was, you know, so close to, And
Speaker 1: thank you to everyone for all of the love. It's
Speaker 1: actually really it made me feel so much better. I'm
Speaker 1: already looking for another dog because I just like can't
Speaker 1: live without a little baby. And it's been really weird.
Speaker 1: Like I'm leaving the house and I'm like, does anybody
Speaker 1: care I'm leaving? There's nobody there. If I drop food,
Speaker 1: I have to pick it up now. If I fired,
Speaker 1: I have no one to blame it on. It's awful.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we do have a great episode coming at
Speaker 1: you with Bab's Gray. Before we get to that, I
Speaker 1: saw an email that was really interesting. This one comes
Speaker 1: from Kate about a story from when she was in
Speaker 1: her twenties slash thirties leaving a nannying gig. Okay, so
Speaker 1: she writes. One night, around midnight or so, as I
Speaker 1: was driving to my home in Seattle, I saw a
Speaker 1: car accident up ahead, about thirty feet in the center
Speaker 1: lane of the multi lane freeway. The scene consisted of
Speaker 1: ambulances and police cars with flashing lights, and a paramedic
Speaker 1: loading someone onto a stretcher. I slowed down and changed
Speaker 1: lanes as I approached the scene, but as I got closer,
Speaker 1: it disappeared as if it never existed. I have no
Speaker 1: way to explain this, but I believe that it was
Speaker 1: likely some residual energy from past events somehow replaying itself.
Speaker 1: But who the fuck really knows? Right? Wow, Okay, thank
Speaker 1: you Kate for sending that. That is I mean, you would, yeah,
Speaker 1: if we go with like this idea of residual energy
Speaker 1: where traumatic things happen or who knows what, and it
Speaker 1: just replays in a location over and over again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you would think that something like that would happen. That's
Speaker 1: a wild story. Thanks for sending that. Okay, let's talk
Speaker 1: to Bab's Gray on with the show. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I am joined by an exactly right sister from the
Speaker 1: Lady to Lady podcast, Bab's Gray. Hello, Hi, how are you, Babs?
Speaker 2: I'm doing good? Are you?
Speaker 1: I'm okay? I'm I have had a week for sure.
Speaker 2: And it's only Tuesday, so you've had a day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but no, everything's great. I feel good. I'm
Speaker 1: excited to talk to you about ghosts and aliens and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, that's what you talk about in here,
Speaker 2: so I guess you kind of have to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. So what do you think of all
Speaker 1: that stuff? Do you believe all that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah I do.
Speaker 2: I don't. It's like I kind of feel like about
Speaker 2: it with religion, I'm almost like agnostic, you know where
Speaker 2: I don't like seek it out, but I definitely feel
Speaker 2: some type of way about it. And I think that
Speaker 2: I am scared of aliens and ghosts, so I kind
Speaker 2: of like, you know, it freaks me out, so I
Speaker 2: kind of avoid it because I am scared of it
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 1: What do you mean you don't go gooth hat and.
Speaker 2: No ghost hunting? I am such I am such a
Speaker 2: whuss like hunted houses. They freak me out so bad.
Speaker 2: I don't like the dark. I thought I thought I
Speaker 2: was gonna get abducted by aliens when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: Like I imagined aliens coming into my room and taking me.
Speaker 2: I definitely have like specific fears around it.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting because I do feel like because of movies,
Speaker 1: aliens are so scary. And there's also of course, like
Speaker 1: people's abduction stories were real popular. I feel like, you
Speaker 1: don't you never hear those these days? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What is that? Because it's like I feel like even
Speaker 2: back then, they didn't even have as much of a platform,
Speaker 2: like you'd maybe see it on a news thing. But
Speaker 2: now it's like we have TikTok, you could you know,
Speaker 2: people could be posting that shit all the time, and
Speaker 2: I'm not really seeing it either.
Speaker 1: It's because the aliens were like, Okay, we had fun
Speaker 1: kidnapping you people, but then you go squeal about it
Speaker 1: and we're we don't need that pres and yeah, and I.
Speaker 2: Think maybe they just really liked that, Like maybe they
Speaker 2: just really liked the nineties and stuff, the aliens and
Speaker 2: they were just really into that time period.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were into They were into grunge, and they
Speaker 1: just wanted to like learn more. They loved hanging out
Speaker 1: the mall, but I think ultimately our species is probably
Speaker 1: like not the best. And they were just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: these people are weird, Like we don't need those energy.
Speaker 2: That is true. They probably were like they did a
Speaker 2: few probes and they're like, we get it. We don't
Speaker 2: really what else is there learned.
Speaker 1: Because you can only probes so much exactly. So with ghosts,
Speaker 1: were you raised with like any belief on that, any
Speaker 1: like religious or cultural belief or like anything.
Speaker 2: I was raised Catholic, so you know, that's a lot
Speaker 2: of ghost ghost heavy stuff, totally ghosts haunting you and
Speaker 2: making you feel guilty guilt ghosts.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, nothing specific about like no one was ever
Speaker 2: specifically calling out like I feel like there's a spirit
Speaker 2: of someone here or anything. It was mostly yeah, just
Speaker 2: kind of just religious bullshit and yeah, that's it. And
Speaker 2: I just again was just like my own like I
Speaker 2: would be really interested in reading stuff about that, but
Speaker 2: I never had a like a one to one experience
Speaker 2: with anything, you know.
Speaker 1: I think when you're Catholic, at least from my experience
Speaker 1: of growing up Catholic, like because it was Sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: just going to use this word indoctrinated, yes, into my brain.
Speaker 1: At such a young age, I've felt like like the
Speaker 1: thought of like demons or any of that kind of
Speaker 1: thing was like so real and the scariest, and like
Speaker 1: the thought of hell where you're just like burning up
Speaker 1: with all these people like truly the scariest realist thing.
Speaker 1: And I do think there's a lot of people that
Speaker 1: feel that way that are a part of that religion. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, that's a real part of it. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: the thing, right, It's just like this, this thing's scary.
Speaker 2: So if you don't want to fuck up and end
Speaker 2: up there with all this scary hot stuff, it's nice
Speaker 2: that we're turning like we've fucked fear so much that
Speaker 2: it's turning into hell as much as it goes.
Speaker 1: You know, that doesn't seem that bad.
Speaker 2: That's really nice that we've done that. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: we weren't like too. My parents were never like you're
Speaker 2: gonna go to hell if something happened, you know. I
Speaker 2: think I was Catholic light like we went on you know, holidays,
Speaker 2: and they've gotten more religious as I've gotten older, but
Speaker 2: I think I kind of skated away a little bit
Speaker 2: without having to feel too shitty. I was also raised
Speaker 2: in Salt Lake City, i should say, and as yeah,
Speaker 2: and as a non Mormon being raised in Salt Lake City,
Speaker 2: I think that like they seemed much more extreme to
Speaker 2: me than anything Catholic because I was like kind of
Speaker 2: barely dipping in and out of church. You know, it
Speaker 2: seemed like the Mormon stuff was a lot more intense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I felt like I was getting away. I was getting
Speaker 2: off easy, basically, Like I was like, I'm not in
Speaker 2: what where that is? So at least I'm not that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I mean I have a lot of friends who
Speaker 2: grew up in that and are like still, you know,
Speaker 2: it really fucks you up. It is a cult, and
Speaker 2: it's a very damaging I think, And so I felt
Speaker 2: grateful to not not had to deal with that growing up. Basically, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just got to watch it. I just got to
Speaker 2: watch people go through it, which was great.
Speaker 1: You were what we used to call it, christer. You
Speaker 1: go and Christmas and Easter. That's great because then it
Speaker 1: would be the holidays and you're like, oh, look who's
Speaker 1: available now? Right?
Speaker 2: I love that idea of just like, hey, if I
Speaker 2: just check in twice a year, like, that's fine.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's that's good enough. God knows what's up.
Speaker 1: He knows I'm busy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he's cool with that.
Speaker 1: Well, I did some research, and oh yes, I would
Speaker 1: love to share what I found with you.
Speaker 2: Please please share your research with me.
Speaker 1: It's actually a story that I've held on too for
Speaker 1: a while. It's it's one of the big ones in
Speaker 1: my industry here of ghosts and aliens and bigfoots and psychics.
Speaker 1: It's one of the most famous stories. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I've just like always kind of been like, let's see
Speaker 1: what else we can find. And then I'm like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I think it's time. I think it's time
Speaker 1: that we do this story. Oh it's the story of
Speaker 1: Travis Walton. Have you ever heard of this?
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I've never I guess I don't
Speaker 2: know if he's the ghost, but I guess I've just
Speaker 2: never thought of a ghost named Travis.
Speaker 1: But anyway, well, he's actually not a ghost. He was
Speaker 1: an alien abductee.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well, then never mind, that's correct. Travis does
Speaker 2: work for alien abductee.
Speaker 1: Travis is like kind of a hot name. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lieu. So yeah, this is like one of these
Speaker 1: famous in you know. Of course if you're like you
Speaker 1: pay attention to this, kundry, Yeah, this is this is
Speaker 1: your world. Like for me, for example, I feel like
Speaker 1: I always hear about the Travis Walton case and it
Speaker 1: inspired a movie called Fire in the Sky, which was.
Speaker 2: You know when was that really that was in like
Speaker 2: the nineties or when.
Speaker 1: Nineties or eighties?
Speaker 2: Because I think I remember that specifically that imagery really
Speaker 2: freaking me out and that being like something that did scare.
Speaker 1: Me, which, from what I believe, surprise surprise, you know,
Speaker 1: the movie version. You know, I don't think that's really
Speaker 1: what he says happened, right, right, They really, you know,
Speaker 1: did their movie thing with that?
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah the first I'm just looking it up
Speaker 2: and it just I'm seeingly creepy.
Speaker 1: What year does it say?
Speaker 2: The movie was nineteen eighty three?
Speaker 1: Ninety three, Okay, that sounds about right. Also, going back
Speaker 1: to what we were saying about the nineties, I feel
Speaker 1: like this movie came out in ninety three and then
Speaker 1: all these people were like that happened to me too,
Speaker 1: Maybe that has something to do with the nineties.
Speaker 2: To ride the Travis coattails totally.
Speaker 1: And people just wanting, like I want a movie about me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, if I say this happened, I can
Speaker 2: the movie will be made.
Speaker 1: Right right? Yeah, so then the movie just starts the production.
Speaker 1: Is that how it works?
Speaker 2: Greenlit?
Speaker 1: All right, So let's get into the abduction of Travis Walton.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of different places I could have
Speaker 1: done my research from, but I chose to just watch
Speaker 1: a documentary about it. It is called Alien Abduction Colon
Speaker 1: Travis Walton. You can find it on Max or Discovery.
Speaker 1: I think it's a Discovery plus Travel channel situation. All right.
Speaker 1: The story November fifth, nineteen seventy five, Northeast Arizona, just
Speaker 1: outside of Snowflake, Arizona. That's what the town's called. See now,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could trust this story. You know,
Speaker 1: these snowflakes, Yeah, these snowflakes these days, these snowflags.
Speaker 2: Piled up about any abduction.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're always offended by everything. You can never say anything.
Speaker 1: Uh No, But I guess that's what the town's called
Speaker 1: Snowflake Arizona. So Travis Walton. He's a twenty two year
Speaker 1: old logger hut. He and his six male friends slash coworkers,
Speaker 1: were hard at work under the Arizona sun. They're in
Speaker 1: the forest. They're chop and wood. There's no women in sight.
Speaker 1: It's just six men chopping wood with their muscles. The
Speaker 1: sun is going down. They pack it up for the
Speaker 1: day and they're like up in the you know, mountains
Speaker 1: and the forest. And so they got like a thirty
Speaker 1: minute drive back down to town to snowflake. So as
Speaker 1: they start drying, a few of the men notice a
Speaker 1: bright light in the sky. As they get closer, they
Speaker 1: notice there's a giant saucer and it's hovering low. It's
Speaker 1: just right there above them. It appears to be glowing
Speaker 1: from the inside. Now, Travis, now here's where he messes up.
Speaker 1: He's curious, so he kind of gets out of the car.
Speaker 2: It always gets you.
Speaker 1: He starts walking towards it. He's like, what is that?
Speaker 1: I want to see it closer. As he gets a
Speaker 1: little closer, he's noticing it's like it's making this noise,
Speaker 1: this kind of rumbling sound. The ground is trembling. There's
Speaker 1: a bluish green light that starts shining down right on him. Whoa,
Speaker 1: it zaps him in the chest and he flies back
Speaker 1: about thirty feet. Now this is real messed up. The
Speaker 1: other guys are like, by Travis, nice knowing you they
Speaker 1: speed off?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Yeah, They're like, by Travis, that's what you gat.
Speaker 2: Damn you thought that, after all these years of chopping
Speaker 2: wood together that they would have each other's.
Speaker 1: Backs, you would think.
Speaker 2: But does every man for himself?
Speaker 1: I guess, And that's the world of wood chopping.
Speaker 2: Could you bond? You know?
Speaker 1: But I assume that's what I thought. I guess not damn.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not very nice.
Speaker 1: So they are like speeding off, and then they pull
Speaker 1: over and they're like, okay, was that fucked up? Like
Speaker 1: should we go back? I feel like you should go back,
Speaker 1: Like that's not like he's not that bad, like we
Speaker 1: like Travis. So they pull over, they look up and
Speaker 1: they see the UFO just speed off into the sky.
Speaker 1: So they're like, Okay, now I think we should go back.
Speaker 1: Let's go back now I think it's safe.
Speaker 2: It's safe. Yeah, it's clear.
Speaker 1: So they go back and they're like Travis, hey, hey boo,
Speaker 1: like that was that was crazy? He's gone. No Travis anywhere.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: So they're like fuck, they call the police. Now, of
Speaker 1: course this is seventies, so they had to literally like
Speaker 1: go find a phone and drive all the way down
Speaker 1: the mountain or whatever, right, So they call the police.
Speaker 1: The sheriff shows up and he's.
Speaker 2: Like, shooting in the sky.
Speaker 1: You might as well. The sheriff, of course, is like, okay,
Speaker 1: you people are drunk or high or both. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is what the sheriff is thinking. But there's no signs.
Speaker 1: It's just men and wood and muscles.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah.
Speaker 1: So the Sheriff's like, okay, I guess they're not drunk
Speaker 1: or high, but still, what are they what? So they
Speaker 1: go back with the sheriff to the location and there's
Speaker 1: no evidence of Travis nothing. So if you just think
Speaker 1: about it, like this is when these things were, it's
Speaker 1: so like gas lady or something, because it's five men,
Speaker 1: grown men that are like, there was a UFO here.
Speaker 1: It took our friend and people are like, no, it didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But at the same time, the friend is gone, So
Speaker 1: it's like, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, who would you be in this story?
Speaker 2: Like would you be the one who investigated the UFO,
Speaker 2: or you'd be the one who's like, fuck this, I'm
Speaker 2: staying back.
Speaker 1: I would be the one that would have slammed on
Speaker 1: the gas the second Travis got zapped in the chest.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, but.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't have been Travis. Would you have gone to
Speaker 2: investigate at all?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not? Okay, yeah, same, not interested in that.
Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 1: I would be like, Travis is stupid. That's true, that's
Speaker 1: what he gets. Let's go.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's like documentation of all these guys saying this,
Speaker 2: that this happened.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, I mean there was a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, police reports and all of that, right, right,
Speaker 1: So the news is quickly spreading that apparently there was
Speaker 1: this young man that was abducted by a UFO and
Speaker 1: either way, wherever he went, he didn't come home. And
Speaker 1: so there's a man hunt that launches with approximately one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty to two hundred people. They got dogs,
Speaker 1: they got helicopters flying over the area. People are looking
Speaker 1: for Travis, and of course naturally they're starting to suspect like, okay, guys,
Speaker 1: did you murder him? Was there an accident like that
Speaker 1: would be especially for like the seventy Like that would
Speaker 1: be the stupidest, like if you murdered someone. And then
Speaker 1: you're like, actually, you don't understand, it's not that it's
Speaker 1: a uf like what. So they're trying everything, they cannot
Speaker 1: figure it out. But still like these guys said that
Speaker 1: a UFO came. So at some point this is all
Speaker 1: a matter of a few days. An expert is brought
Speaker 1: in to measure radiation in the area and it is
Speaker 1: extremely high, So, you know, could that be something to
Speaker 1: do with I don't know any of this. Who knows.
Speaker 1: There's reporters flood in the area from all over the world.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, what is this weird ass story? Then the
Speaker 1: famous men in black start showing up. No, I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about Will Smith. And who was the.
Speaker 2: Other guy, Tom Jones.
Speaker 1: Tommy Lee Jones, it was not.
Speaker 2: You're just saying, okay, whatever, Well, no men in.
Speaker 1: Black is a phenomenal that people report when these kinds
Speaker 1: of things happen.
Speaker 2: They show up, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: That there are men in black suits and usually and
Speaker 1: like uh kind of government cars, you know, like black
Speaker 1: tinted window cars, and they show up and they start
Speaker 1: interviewing people. Uh, the five guys in this story claimed
Speaker 1: that they were seeing men in black like following them
Speaker 1: around town and like kind of stalking them. Like this story,
Speaker 1: they sounded like they were actually like dudes that work
Speaker 1: for the government or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, but sometimes you
Speaker 1: hear these stories where it's like it seems like they're
Speaker 1: aliens that are trying to do human drag and like
Speaker 1: it's just very weird. It's like almost like muppet human
Speaker 1: situation where they're like not fitting in right.
Speaker 2: They're like, we're following them around, and also we're just
Speaker 2: choosing to do this and follow them around very like conspicuously.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So at this point in the story, three days
Speaker 1: have gone by, no sign of Travis. Oh, so the
Speaker 1: cops are zeroing in on one of the loggers named
Speaker 1: Alan Dallas.
Speaker 2: That is a great name.
Speaker 1: This guy had a criminal record of some sort, and
Speaker 1: he did have a fight with Travis that people had
Speaker 1: known about or like they were known to fight each other.
Speaker 1: So people are like, Okay, it seems like he's the
Speaker 1: one that might have killed Travis. They give the guys
Speaker 1: a polygraph test and asking them about the alien thing
Speaker 1: and did you kill Travis. Five out of six of
Speaker 1: them passed the test. Allen's the guy that they were suspecting.
Speaker 1: His is like inconclusive because I guess he kind of
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like had an attitude and like
Speaker 1: didn't want to answer. I don't know. But either way,
Speaker 1: they pretty much all passed this test, confirming that they
Speaker 1: did not kill Travis and that they saw this UFO.
Speaker 1: So now people after the polygraph test, people are starting
Speaker 1: to believe them. So five nights later, this is when
Speaker 1: the story gets good, I mean raptured. Five nights later,
Speaker 1: his sister, Travis's sister's phone rings at ten PM and
Speaker 1: on the phone it's like, hey, it's me Travis, And
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm at a phone booth at this part
Speaker 1: of town. Come get me. So his brother in law,
Speaker 1: his sister's husband, goes there to this phone booth. Sure enough,
Speaker 1: there's Travis. He says that he woke up on the
Speaker 1: highway with a UFO flying over him. He wandered down
Speaker 1: the road until he finally found this phone booth. He
Speaker 1: says that it just seemed like he was gone for
Speaker 1: like a brief period, like it was the same night.
Speaker 2: Like the lost time thing. Yeah, was he wearing the
Speaker 2: same clothes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, because he's like, oh, that was crazy. I
Speaker 1: got zapped in the chest and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I'm like on the side of the road and they're like, honey,
Speaker 1: turn on the TV, like we're looking for you. And
Speaker 1: also he says like because he's still alive, and he
Speaker 1: gives interviews and stuff, and he's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I have like five days worth of hair on my face,
Speaker 1: like facial hair. So he's kind of like freaked out,
Speaker 1: and he's examined and they're trying to like because of
Speaker 1: the press and stuff, they're trying to be like kind
Speaker 1: of secret about stuff because they whatever. So they contact
Speaker 1: this organization. Well actually this organization I think already knew
Speaker 1: about it. It's called the Aerial Phenomenal Research Organization or APPRO.
Speaker 1: And they're examining him and he's trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what happened, but he like can't really remember all even
Speaker 1: remembers is like the getting hit in the chest and
Speaker 1: waking up on the freeway or the highway. And they decide,
Speaker 1: let's do some regressive hypnosis therapy, so they basically, you know,
Speaker 1: hypnotize them, which is very common with these kinds of stories.
Speaker 1: And yeah, this is when these people start coming up
Speaker 1: with their details of the things that went up their
Speaker 1: button whatever. So he says that he remembers waking up
Speaker 1: after getting zapped in the chest in what appeared to
Speaker 1: be a small hospital and he's like his eyes are
Speaker 1: kind of blurry, can't really see, and then he notices
Speaker 1: that there's alien doctors and they're like five feet tall,
Speaker 1: no hair, white skin, big eyes, no expression. As he
Speaker 1: comes to he starts freaking out and he jumps off
Speaker 1: the table and he grabs some device that he starts
Speaker 1: you know, waving around at swinging at him. There. Oh,
Speaker 1: there's this big, huge device on his chest that he
Speaker 1: throws to the ground and then he grabs a piece
Speaker 1: of equipment and starts swinging it around at them. The
Speaker 1: aliens are like, okay, calm down, honey, and they just
Speaker 1: like kind of they're like, okay, we're out of here,
Speaker 1: so they like back off and leave. And he says
Speaker 1: that the air is like real thin and humid when
Speaker 1: in the wherever he is, and he's just like desperate
Speaker 1: for air. So oh. Also, he says that the lighting
Speaker 1: is very dim in this hospital room.
Speaker 2: Sexy romantic lating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like a hot hospital. So he
Speaker 1: goes to another room and he sees what appears to
Speaker 1: be like a control room of some sort. He starts
Speaker 1: touching buttons, you know, naturally, just like what would happen
Speaker 1: if I did that? Nothing really happens. He notices what
Speaker 1: appears to be like a human, not an alien looking
Speaker 1: person like the other ones, and they're in like a spacesuit.
Speaker 1: And he says that this guy is like taller than
Speaker 1: him and muscular, and he's like, hey, help me, and
Speaker 1: the tall muscular man in the spacesuit just like doesn't respond,
Speaker 1: he doesn't say anything. And then he grabs Travis by
Speaker 1: the arm and he leads him to like this little
Speaker 1: booth like section of a hallway, and then he feels
Speaker 1: the air and it's like way better and he could
Speaker 1: start breathing better. And then he realizes that it looks like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's like in an aircraft hangar of some sort. Like
Speaker 1: he's not even he's not in like outer space, he's
Speaker 1: like somewhere else. And then they usher him to an
Speaker 1: area where there's more of these human looking creatures that
Speaker 1: basically from what they're described, they just look like white
Speaker 1: people and he's panicking. They're not responding to him, they
Speaker 1: don't speak English, whoever they are, and he's talking to them.
Speaker 1: They're not doing anything, and so then he starts fighting
Speaker 1: these bitches. They got superhuman strength. They grab him, they
Speaker 1: get him down on a table, they put an oxygen
Speaker 1: masks looking thing over his face, and then he woke
Speaker 1: up on the highway. Whoa, that's all he remembers. So,
Speaker 1: as the story starts getting out, more media going crazy.
Speaker 1: Reporters are stocking the hole, everybody involved in this showing
Speaker 1: up at their houses. There's a famous UFO debunker named
Speaker 1: Philip Class and he says, oh, this is a bunch
Speaker 1: of who we Oh. He researches and he claims that
Speaker 1: these guys needed to get out of their logging contract
Speaker 1: because they had to get this log job done and
Speaker 1: they weren't getting it finished in time. So this is
Speaker 1: what they came up with to get out of this.
Speaker 2: Their big distraction. This is similar, I will say to
Speaker 2: so justin Timberlake just got a dui right, And the
Speaker 2: conspiracy is that he did it on purpose to get
Speaker 2: out of his world tour because it wasn't selling up tickets.
Speaker 2: And then he wouldn't have to pay the insurance or something.
Speaker 2: I don't similar motive.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, he should have just said that he
Speaker 1: was abducted and exactly can't go on the tour because
Speaker 1: he's abducted. Then you wouldn't have like a criminal ressappear
Speaker 1: for five days. Well, so of course there's like a
Speaker 1: lot of people that don't believe this story. But the
Speaker 1: guys were like, we are not going back to the location.
Speaker 1: Were done with this job. And of course people are
Speaker 1: suspecting that they were just drugged out, but again the
Speaker 1: police were under the impression that they weren't. The witnesses
Speaker 1: are just constantly harassed around town. This story has like
Speaker 1: really gotten big. But this organization appro the Aerial Phenomenon
Speaker 1: Research Organization, they're like very convinced by this story because
Speaker 1: a variety of reasons. But when they found Travis, he
Speaker 1: was dehydrated, he was ten to twelve pounds lighter. However,
Speaker 1: blood tests showed that he was likely nourished somehow I
Speaker 1: don't know how.
Speaker 2: But alien tube stuff.
Speaker 1: Some tube stuff I don't know what end. But also
Speaker 1: like the woods would have been freezing cold, so there's
Speaker 1: no way he could have survived in the woods for
Speaker 1: five nights. And also there are multiple reports of UFO
Speaker 1: sightings from other people that year previously to this story.
Speaker 1: And then there's the lie detector results, but who knows
Speaker 1: what those But I mean five got five guys, that's
Speaker 1: pretty good.
Speaker 2: Look, yeah, I will say I don't see five guys
Speaker 2: organizing something of this caliber, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: that's why it feels true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think they're just as they're cutting their logs,
Speaker 1: they're like okay. And then another thing we should say,
Speaker 1: we should like, no.
Speaker 2: No, they're not. They're barely figuring out like what to
Speaker 2: you know, what to eat for dinner? They're not coming
Speaker 2: up with this shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just organizing this.
Speaker 2: No, there's no way.
Speaker 1: And then in nineteen seventy eight he wrote a book
Speaker 1: called The Walton Experience. Ooh, and yeah, this is a
Speaker 1: story that is, you know, one of the big ones.
Speaker 2: So in the documentary you watched, is like a lot
Speaker 2: of interviews with him and stuff like what's your when
Speaker 2: you get from him? Do you think he really experienced it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so, I think why not? It's I
Speaker 1: don't know. I do think. Here's the thing I don't
Speaker 1: want to sound like I'm a part of the misogyny
Speaker 1: that we're you know, taught to believe or whatever. But
Speaker 1: the reason that I would believe these men is not
Speaker 1: because I'm like, men are great. It's because I think
Speaker 1: men are so stupid that I don't think that they
Speaker 1: would be able to pull this off.
Speaker 2: So no, that's why. Yeah, like I don't see them
Speaker 2: more like putting their heads together for this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this plot. So this is like, it's definitely a
Speaker 1: situation where I'm like, oh, I trust because there are men.
Speaker 1: I believe them, but like I do, like, yeah, it's you.
Speaker 2: Know, I totally understand that makes sense. Yeah, it's that
Speaker 2: is wild. I mean, it is an interesting thing where
Speaker 2: you think, if it's true, why do the aliens pick
Speaker 2: who they pick? You know, like, why aren't you just
Speaker 2: picking someone who's already asleep and not like you're not
Speaker 2: creating a disturbance so that people know someone disappeared or whatever,
Speaker 2: picking off someone who's alone or something. Maybe they're not
Speaker 2: thinking about it. It's like, is it just that you
Speaker 2: happen to be in the area and you're like that
Speaker 2: guy looks good?
Speaker 1: You know, well, you know what's interesting is like I've
Speaker 1: I've covered quite a few of these stories on the pod,
Speaker 1: and it seems like a lot of times it's like
Speaker 1: younger men and some of these stories where the guys
Speaker 1: remember more than Travis. That's the other thing. If he
Speaker 1: remembered like all this shit, like I don't know, he doesn't,
Speaker 1: he had like a good amount for me to believe.
Speaker 1: But some of these guys will tell these stories of oh,
Speaker 1: this is like a full on mating thing where right,
Speaker 1: the aliens are like, you're hot, you're in shape, want
Speaker 1: your baby juice, and so they impregnate like lady aliens. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: so who knows what he doesn't remember that happened up there, But.
Speaker 2: He might have some kids running around he doesn't even
Speaker 2: know about up in the sky.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure. That that's the special I want
Speaker 1: to see. Is him reuniting with his children. Yes, and
Speaker 1: then they're all pissed off at him because they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's an absentee father.
Speaker 2: Right If any of those kids get twenty three and
Speaker 2: meters and they're like, oh my god, this is oh.
Speaker 1: My god, this is so crazy. There's a movie about
Speaker 1: when my parents had conceived me.
Speaker 2: The screenshots from this movie, Like, I can see what
Speaker 2: you're saying. They obviously took liberties as far as what
Speaker 2: he remembered, but they are terrifying looking, Like what is it.
Speaker 2: It's like a screenshot of him under like a sheath
Speaker 2: of like skin, like screaming. It looks horrific.
Speaker 1: That's one thing I remember from that movie that he's
Speaker 1: like in this like I don't know, like skin shoot
Speaker 1: of some sort.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's not fun looking.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, I think I believe it. The documentary
Speaker 1: is interesting. I mean, basically I just covered everything that
Speaker 1: they talk about for the most part. But it is
Speaker 1: cool to see him And well, so there was six guys.
Speaker 1: Two of them have passed, but the other ones are
Speaker 1: in it, and like his girlfriend at the time is interviewed,
Speaker 1: and these people, I don't know. That's the other thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, wouldn't you give up on the bit at
Speaker 1: a certain point?
Speaker 2: Like totally? I think that because of course you couldn't
Speaker 2: plan for is say this was planned. You couldn't know
Speaker 2: the amount of crazy attention you were gonna get, right,
Speaker 2: you know, for it. And I think anyone who's gone
Speaker 2: through that would never do that on purpose.
Speaker 1: Well, and I just think it's such a risk to
Speaker 1: go this route to try to get a million dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because if it fails, which is very likely, people are
Speaker 1: just going to think that you are absolutely insane.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's not really good for your future jobs
Speaker 2: or anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, aren't you that person that said that aliens
Speaker 1: took you? Like, but then we found out it was
Speaker 1: not true.
Speaker 2: It's like I can't hire you for a job because
Speaker 2: you might get abducted. Also, like maybe you're there they
Speaker 2: like you specifically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they never found what he was doing for
Speaker 1: five days, Like they never found another thing, right, and like.
Speaker 2: To not find any evidence of that anywhere in the
Speaker 2: woods or just anything. Especially, it's like how he did
Speaker 2: survive that. Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, I definitely it
Speaker 2: makes me even though you did say you just told
Speaker 2: the whole story, I'm gonna I'm gonna watch this is
Speaker 2: very interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, watch it. I still think it's worth it
Speaker 1: to see the interviews and and you can decide for
Speaker 1: yourself if your bullshit meter is going off. Yeah, can
Speaker 1: I show you a haunted doll?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, let's do a haunted doll.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's time for a segment I call the dolls
Speaker 1: are living. Okay, So what I do, Babs is I
Speaker 1: go to eBay dot com. Oh and I type in
Speaker 1: the words haunted doll. There are thousands of them, and
Speaker 1: people are selling these dolls claiming that there is a
Speaker 1: ghost inside of them. Okay, and a lot of times
Speaker 1: they write little biographies to go with it.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, amazing.
Speaker 1: And as always, people listening to the show, you can
Speaker 1: go to ghosted by Ras on Instagram to look at
Speaker 1: a picture of this doll we are talking about under
Speaker 1: the tab called dolls on my story highlights. Uh jiha,
Speaker 1: could you show us Christy please me Christie. She's a
Speaker 1: little diva.
Speaker 2: She is a diva.
Speaker 1: She doesn't look as like busted as I want to
Speaker 1: haunted doll to look. But sometimes that's scarier.
Speaker 2: She looks very put together.
Speaker 1: I will say she is put together. She has like
Speaker 1: ringlet curly fry curls.
Speaker 2: A stole Is that a stole? Like the her coat,
Speaker 2: her little like fake fur coat.
Speaker 1: Stole my heart, stole your soul. Uh yeah, she's got
Speaker 1: like a little a little faux fur or maybe real
Speaker 1: for I don't know, with a matching hat with a
Speaker 1: ball on top.
Speaker 2: Yes, a brooch.
Speaker 1: Her feet are creeping me out a little bit. Yes,
Speaker 1: but you know, she just looks like a put together blonde. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The more I look at her, the more creepy she is.
Speaker 2: Like the vacancy in her eyes, which I guess is
Speaker 2: a standard for dolls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty standard. She could go she could use
Speaker 1: a lip.
Speaker 2: Color, yes, in my very Yeah.
Speaker 1: But that's okay too. And then yeah, she's got like
Speaker 1: straight up Arby's curly fry hair. She's cute. So anyway,
Speaker 1: here's the story. And by the way, she is available
Speaker 1: for anyone that has eighty five dollars. This person writes,
Speaker 1: I found Christy at a thrift store. When I wound
Speaker 1: her up and heard the music, I fell in love. Oh,
Speaker 1: she plays music. So Christy took a while to open
Speaker 1: up to me. I've found a lot of teenage spirits do.
Speaker 1: Christy can be quite sassy, and she's got quite a
Speaker 1: mouth on her. She passed away as an older teen
Speaker 1: of hypothermia, but told me she doesn't want to talk
Speaker 1: about it. She'd rather gossip. When I play dramas or
Speaker 1: anything that has intense gossip. Christy will move and play
Speaker 1: music on her own. She wants to focus on the
Speaker 1: here and now and focus on things that she was
Speaker 1: into when she was alive. She was a blonde and
Speaker 1: was one of the popular girls. She can't understand that
Speaker 1: her perfect life was taken from her. Sometimes she can
Speaker 1: be mean about it. I understand this because I understand
Speaker 1: teenage emotions. I think it would be more helpful to
Speaker 1: help her through her trauma and surround her with uplifting things.
Speaker 1: Although she does like to gossip from time to time.
Speaker 1: She hasn't seen the classic movie Mean Girls. I'm waiting
Speaker 1: for her adopter to show her that movie because I
Speaker 1: know she'll love it. She is extremely active when she
Speaker 1: wants to be. She is good with other spirits, pets,
Speaker 1: and kids. So eighty five dollars, Christie, Wow.
Speaker 2: Wait, what era are they? Did they say? What era
Speaker 2: they said she was alive or like her teenage self
Speaker 2: is from?
Speaker 1: I don't know, okay, because.
Speaker 2: I feel like they have to always have to be
Speaker 2: from like the eighteen hundreds or something like a teenager
Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty three years something. Wow, Christy, I think yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's kind of mean that they're not
Speaker 2: just showing her Mean Girls. It's like you're holding out
Speaker 2: on her kind of.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, just play it? Yeah, what are you waiting for? Like?
Speaker 1: What are we doing to rent it? Like? It's what nine?
Speaker 1: Just watch it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can show Herming Girls the musical. How about that?
Speaker 2: There you go, This person can show her the original.
Speaker 1: So yeah, for anyone interested, that's Christy. Hey can I
Speaker 1: play you some ghost voices? Oh please, it's time for
Speaker 1: EVP or ev pase okay, baps. Here's what I do.
Speaker 1: I like to find evp's electronic voice phenomenon. So that
Speaker 1: is basically what we call in the business whenever a
Speaker 1: ghost is speaking and is captured on a recording device
Speaker 1: of any sort, and people love to just post these
Speaker 1: on TikTok and YouTube.
Speaker 2: I see these on TikTok sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're pretty good, some of them. Sometimes sometimes it's
Speaker 1: Evy pull loose. Uh. So I got two of them
Speaker 1: for you today. And this first one was posted on
Speaker 1: YouTube by Pendulum Paranormal Timeline. I don't know exactly where
Speaker 1: they captured this voice, but they say it was at
Speaker 1: a jail of some sort. What is this ghost saying?
Speaker 1: Could you hear that?
Speaker 2: Wait? Play yeah, Pilla again?
Speaker 1: Sounds like you're saying Rayola, Rayola Rayleoda.
Speaker 2: Yeah that Raleota or Crayola is the closest day.
Speaker 1: Wait, let me hear it again. I think it's saying Raleoda.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Okay, well that's not what Pendulum Paranormal Timeline thought. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna give you an abc D and one
Speaker 1: of these is the correct answer. Did they think it
Speaker 1: was a Britney bitch b bring them on? C I
Speaker 1: got none or D big old balls. Okay, let me
Speaker 1: play it again.
Speaker 2: Bring them on? For sure? I can hear.
Speaker 1: That that is indeed what they believed. Yeah, okay, now
Speaker 1: that we know that, let's listen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, not Raallyoda bring them on. We did
Speaker 2: think Raleiota could have been hit, maybe perhaps his ghost.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess they were saying we're gonna take
Speaker 1: out the Ouiji board or something like that, and then
Speaker 1: the ghosts bring them on.
Speaker 2: Okay, So there's a response to that. That is the
Speaker 2: thing like whenever I watch them on TikTok, it's you
Speaker 2: are taking some liberties with what you think they're saying. Like, oh,
Speaker 2: for sure, if I never heard someone say bring them on,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I ever would have heard that,
Speaker 2: you know, but yeah, now I'm hearing it.
Speaker 1: Exactly, which is why I when I do this, I
Speaker 1: like just to play it and hear what you might
Speaker 1: get from, you know, just out of thin air, because
Speaker 1: that is what these people are doing. But it's so interesting,
Speaker 1: how Yeah, I feel like I heard it say raay
Speaker 1: liota yeah, and then I'm like, okay.
Speaker 2: Wait, It'll always be reallyoda to me.
Speaker 1: Okay, here's one more. This is from Trace Spirit Sense
Speaker 1: Paranormal on YouTube. What is this one saying?
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: Yeah? That's a longer one. It's whispery and weird. Let
Speaker 1: me play it again, any guesses.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard for me to hear any words
Speaker 2: in there because it such sounds just like a noise. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you obviously listen to this a lot more than me,
Speaker 2: So like, for I was like that, what was the
Speaker 2: voice in there? I heard? Like, I don't know, just
Speaker 2: like ah attack or something.
Speaker 1: It's like it's a sentence that's.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, there is a lot of like choppiness.
Speaker 1: Well, let me give you some options. Okay, do they
Speaker 1: think it was a I hate Louis c K? Do
Speaker 1: they think it was b ah? Wait, I'm talking to you.
Speaker 1: Oh do they think it was C I hate looking
Speaker 1: at you or d I ate a little too much? Okay,
Speaker 1: it's one of those. Here we go.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's so interesting after you hear, like after you
Speaker 2: give me words that put it into what I hear afterwards. Okay,
Speaker 2: I hate looking at you. It sounds like it is.
Speaker 1: Indeed, I hate looking at you. Whoa rude?
Speaker 2: I would really hate a ghost to say. Yes, it's like,
Speaker 2: you know what, I can't even see you, so I
Speaker 2: can't say it the other way.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, right, it's like, what do you look like? Bitch? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's see you, bitch.
Speaker 2: This is a one way street. Funk off.
Speaker 1: Let me play it now that we know it's I
Speaker 1: hate looking at you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what do you know what the context of
Speaker 2: that one was?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't right, It didn't say and I'm
Speaker 1: sure the person that posted it was embarrassed that the
Speaker 1: ghost said that and was like, you know what, I
Speaker 1: don't even hear it is because it is technically something.
Speaker 1: It's just like this one time, probably my favorite one ever,
Speaker 1: were found there's a person farted really really loud, and
Speaker 1: then they believe they heard a ghost say I don't
Speaker 1: like that. And it's like they had to keep the
Speaker 1: fart in the video so that it made sense, but
Speaker 1: they were like embarrassed. I'm sure, but like, what do
Speaker 1: you do? Like you have to you have to use this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you got to do stuff that they're
Speaker 2: going to react to, you know, and farting could be
Speaker 2: it makes sense too. It's like a gas, you know.
Speaker 2: I can see that interacting with them.
Speaker 1: I've said famously many times, I believe that farts are
Speaker 1: the ghost of food.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: They are because food has died and it has now
Speaker 1: gone from a solid to you know, a different form,
Speaker 1: just like with humans when they die. And wow. Yeah, yeah, hey, Babs,
Speaker 1: that's about it. We're done.
Speaker 2: That was so interesting. You're a great storyteller. I was
Speaker 2: really fascinated by the alien story, which I hadn't heard
Speaker 2: so work.
Speaker 1: Ah, thank you, Bab's What do you what do you want?
Speaker 1: What do you want people to know about you? Where
Speaker 1: do you want people to find you?
Speaker 2: Oh? My god? What do I want people to know
Speaker 2: about me? Yeah? I have a podcast called Lady. It's
Speaker 2: a Lady on the Exactly Right Network.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, and uh.
Speaker 2: We're on every week. We've been on every week for
Speaker 2: over a decade, which is ridiculous. And so yeah, go
Speaker 2: check that out where we you know, have different funny
Speaker 2: ladies on every week. It's a really fun show and
Speaker 2: I do stand up, so follow me on Instagram at
Speaker 2: Bab's Gray. I've got a show called super Bloom that's
Speaker 2: every Monday in LA. It's really fun as well.
Speaker 1: I want to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're on our list, so oh i'd love to.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much, and I want you to
Speaker 1: know I don't hate looking at you.
Speaker 2: That's so creepy.
Speaker 1: I that was actually creepy, ear than saying I hate lady. Yeah,
Speaker 1: am I doing? I'm out of it all right, that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you so much to Bab's. Also, make sure you
Speaker 1: are following us on Instagram at ghosted by Roz and
Speaker 1: my Instagram at Roz Hernandez. Get those tickets to come
Speaker 1: see me alive if I'm comeing someplace where you live.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I got tickets on sale for Philadelphia. Pretty soon Portland
Speaker 1: will be on sale. I love you all, both living
Speaker 1: and dead. But if I didn't ask you to haunt me,
Speaker 1: don't haunt me. Came on. This has been an exactly
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Speaker 1: My senior producer is the Startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer
Speaker 1: is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and
Speaker 1: sound designed by the Eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker
Speaker 1: is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the
Speaker 1: hair raising Hannah Kyle Crichton. My theme music is by
Speaker 1: the spine Chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky
Speaker 1: Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the Terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced
Speaker 1: by the Chilling Karen Kilgareth, the Spooky Georgia Hard Start,
Speaker 1: and the Frightening Danielle Kramer