Speaker 1: Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room
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Speaker 2: And now your host Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 3: Eighty four days until the NFL Draft, another edition of
Speaker 3: the Draft Show. Zach Wilchuck alongside Vach Lombardi and our godfather,
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl winning scout Brian brought us as we
Speaker 3: hang out the rest of our crew doing excellent work
Speaker 3: there in Mobile, Alabama for the Senior Bowl. Oh yes,
Speaker 3: we've got the East West Shrine Bowl that's going to
Speaker 3: be tonight. Watch you and I got the pleasure of
Speaker 3: going out there and watching practice firsthand. And then the
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl. We've been able from Afar. Guys are doing
Speaker 3: an excellent job. Kyle Nick, Tommy Boots on the ground
Speaker 3: there just absolutely crushing it. Bobby Belts actually driving back
Speaker 3: early from a family vacation in today to work the
Speaker 3: East West Shrine bol tonight with the NFL Network. So
Speaker 3: we got our Draft show tentacles all over this thing.
Speaker 4: This is gonna be a fun show.
Speaker 3: We'll do of course, Twitter on the twenty coming up
Speaker 3: on the other side, and then how about we do
Speaker 3: a little mock draft simulation. I want to do a
Speaker 3: three rounder we can debate if we're the Cowboys our
Speaker 3: own little draft show war room. How would we want
Speaker 3: to go about these three rounds?
Speaker 5: I mean, this show is going to be three hours
Speaker 5: if we're going to be That's.
Speaker 2: What I was about to say. You don't realize what
Speaker 2: you just dug yourself into. Well, see, because he and I,
Speaker 2: he and I, he and I do a show. Last night.
Speaker 2: We talked about a player, I think for thirty minutes
Speaker 2: last night. Okay, well you to you know, concise our
Speaker 2: thoughts a little bit. That's hard to do with this,
Speaker 2: you know. And I'll try and keep it moving.
Speaker 3: I'll try and like actually be a host today and
Speaker 3: attempt to be like, Okay, I need you to make
Speaker 3: a damn decision.
Speaker 2: You got two minutes on the clock. Here here you go,
Speaker 2: all right, whose name are we put? You could do that?
Speaker 3: What's going on with the good shape? Yeah, I'll do this. Appreciation,
Speaker 3: I got you, buddy, no problem. Watch all right, let's
Speaker 3: get let's preview some Shrine Bowl in Senior Bowl stuff. Obviously,
Speaker 3: Cowboys now have a new head coach and Brian Schottenheimer,
Speaker 3: and congratulations to Will McLay getting that contract extension done.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've often said I believe Will McClay the
Speaker 3: scouts here backbone of the success that the Cowboys have had,
Speaker 3: being able to win twelve games over three years, being
Speaker 3: able to compete for division titles the seasons of twenty fourteen, sixteen,
Speaker 3: Will McClay has done an excellent job. Excited to get
Speaker 3: him in the fold. And now you're starting to get
Speaker 3: more of the staff figured out, might get a feel
Speaker 3: for what do these coaches want? What are these coaches like?
Speaker 3: So as you're kind of keeping a night now with
Speaker 3: all of that information, the Shrine Bowl, the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 3: Who are some of the skies that have caught your
Speaker 3: eye that you're looking forward to see in the game.
Speaker 6: Well, Zach, we need them. We need them because you know,
Speaker 6: when you listen to the Jones is there. I don't
Speaker 6: think they're going to pay a whole bunch of money,
Speaker 6: you know, So it would be great for Will and
Speaker 6: all those guys to get back to our first round
Speaker 6: winning ways. If we're gonna lean on draft picks, we
Speaker 6: kind of got to hit on those picks. But what
Speaker 6: made Will, and you know Will's run, specially when we
Speaker 6: hit on those fives and sixes, when we just we're
Speaker 6: not even anticipating this guy being a guy like we
Speaker 6: get Jake Ferguson in the fourth or Bland in the fifth, sixth,
Speaker 6: fifth round.
Speaker 4: Eighty three, Anthony Brown in the sixth round back in
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen.
Speaker 6: Sneaky wins like that. So and you know, uh, Kyle
Speaker 6: Will chuck it down. I want to call you k
Speaker 6: We was doing.
Speaker 5: We was doing.
Speaker 6: We was doing the Shrine Bowl, right, And the Shrine
Speaker 6: is different from Senior Bowl when we just breaking down
Speaker 6: players and we're just going down to big boys there.
Speaker 6: The Senior bowls a lot of top one hundred guys,
Speaker 6: there's some Top one ten guys, but the Shrine Bowl
Speaker 6: is mostly Day three guys. Yes, right, So I would
Speaker 6: love it if the Cowboys really put eyes on that
Speaker 6: bowl game and really try to hit on those And
Speaker 6: you know, Zach, we watched a bunch of great guys
Speaker 6: out there.
Speaker 3: We did, I mean, we really really really got a
Speaker 3: look at some of the guys smaller schools like Nick Nashural,
Speaker 3: San Jose State. I talked a lot on our show,
Speaker 3: like my gosh, that dude seemed like he was winning
Speaker 3: every single rep that he took. The wide receiver who
Speaker 3: was a triple Crown winner, and there were some good
Speaker 3: size as well that we saw from that receiver group.
Speaker 3: KeAndre Lambert Smith out of Auburn was another guy that
Speaker 3: stood out. But I think the dude that we were
Speaker 3: that we quickly fell in love with. And I know
Speaker 3: Cowboy fans are looking at, Okay, how can we improve
Speaker 3: this offensive? And I'd say is a consensus the three
Speaker 3: of us probably are looking at the center group this
Speaker 3: year not strong like last year. We had an abundance
Speaker 3: of centers. We were talking about a lot of good options.
Speaker 3: Cowboys end up taking my guy, Cooper Beebe, who was
Speaker 3: a guard, but they kicked over to center. There was
Speaker 3: a player that I think really was turning heads. Milbury's
Speaker 3: on Thomas Perry, who is a Duke many Weather special
Speaker 3: D three school played guard, going to kick into center
Speaker 3: and he's going against some massive defensive tackles Nazer Stackhouse
Speaker 3: out of George or Tronka Hemingway, South Carolina, and this
Speaker 3: dude is holding his own. Thomas Perry's kind of a
Speaker 3: name to be watching here from the East West Shrine Bowl.
Speaker 6: Now it's center and Zach, that's what is really all about,
Speaker 6: because I didn't even know Middleberry was a school either.
Speaker 6: And then we just see this guy and he's coming in. Oh,
Speaker 6: we got the Georgia kids stackhouse over at three hundred
Speaker 6: and fifty pounds, and we just see Thomas the Tank
Speaker 6: is what they call him on the internet. Now we
Speaker 6: see him quick sitting and punching the hell out of
Speaker 6: people and moving his feet and I go, hey, what's
Speaker 6: that helmet? I don't know what that is. We'll go
Speaker 6: down our sheet and okay, Middlebury. So now I got
Speaker 6: to sell my soul to find some Middlebury film. But
Speaker 6: that was a great find by us or from Syracuse.
Speaker 6: Right there was about six or seven Sarahcuse guys there,
Speaker 6: and our tight end or Ron day Gasson junior. We
Speaker 6: just see the athleticism on him, you know, jumping over guys,
Speaker 6: making plays to tapping in the back of the end zone.
Speaker 6: I ended up being a big fan of his, and
Speaker 6: now I'm like, hey, what.
Speaker 5: We got to do to get that? Do it on
Speaker 5: our team?
Speaker 6: And something that I liked about practice is that he
Speaker 6: wasn't just superstar tight end out there. He was doing
Speaker 6: some team stuff, right, so we're doing punt return, punt
Speaker 6: gun and stuff, because that's really what a Day three
Speaker 6: player is. You're not just going to be a Day
Speaker 6: three tight end and just be a tight end. You
Speaker 6: might have to go tackle in cover a little bit,
Speaker 6: you know. So I was really impressed walk away from that.
Speaker 2: What was the thing with the center though, you know
Speaker 2: you talked about his ability to go against the big
Speaker 2: competition and handle the guys, It is the deficiency. The
Speaker 2: only thing of where he played is that the knock
Speaker 2: on him or we're gonna, like you say, you're gonna
Speaker 2: have to sell our soul to get filmed and kind
Speaker 2: of figure that all out. Obviously he did good enough
Speaker 2: to get an invite to the Bowl game, but if
Speaker 2: you had this, say okay, this just could hold him back.
Speaker 2: Is it just the school or is there some ability
Speaker 2: or lack of that this guy has that you guys.
Speaker 5: Saw no disrespect to anybody.
Speaker 6: But if he was at a bigger school, you have
Speaker 6: some of the best coaches in the world, some you know,
Speaker 6: the best way room in the world.
Speaker 2: I describing to get that T shirt may what good?
Speaker 2: What you always say about coaching.
Speaker 5: What the hell is coaching for?
Speaker 6: Right, So so it may be technique based things with him. Right,
Speaker 6: Like I said earlier, we saw a bunch of quick says,
Speaker 6: quick says, but sometimes some of his quick says.
Speaker 5: He was, you know, he was a little leaning with it.
Speaker 5: But he's with Duke Mannyweather.
Speaker 6: Right, no help, So Duke just put a little bit
Speaker 6: of dust on him and he'll be he'll be just
Speaker 6: finding about a week or so. But I was just
Speaker 6: impressed by I don't know what that helmet is. Everybody
Speaker 6: knows George's helmet, right, And we walked away going, damn,
Speaker 6: look what he did to the Georgia kid and me
Speaker 6: walk just like, hey, look at this kid. And later
Speaker 6: on people are tagging us, hey, look at you know,
Speaker 6: look at this kid, Look at look at this guy.
Speaker 6: And now he's hex Bardette lifting seven hundred and twenty pounds,
Speaker 6: and Dame Brugler is coming out with the clip from
Speaker 6: the Anger that we didn't even right, look at what
Speaker 6: he's doing to the Georgia guys there. So he's done
Speaker 6: his part. He's built his profile or whatever. It's where
Speaker 6: we know who he is. But now we got to
Speaker 6: watch the actual Middlebury film and watch him beat up
Speaker 6: on some accountants.
Speaker 2: See, I always learned this real quick, you know. And
Speaker 2: Ron Wolf the general manager of the Hall of Fame
Speaker 2: General manager. When I worked for him, small school kids,
Speaker 2: we always felt like, you better walk on water. Do
Speaker 2: this kid have a chance walking on water? Or is he?
Speaker 2: Is he going to? Is it going to be? I mean,
Speaker 2: because I haven't seen a center yet. I mean I'm watching.
Speaker 2: I watched the USC kid, and you know, I just
Speaker 2: wasn't overly impressed by that. I haven't seen like you
Speaker 2: mentioned Monaham. I think is his name out there at USC. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I haven't seen last year at this time. I think
Speaker 2: I had probably three or four centers already in the book. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you know, if you're hunting a center, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe I need this kid that can he walk on water?
Speaker 2: That's what you're gonna have to or is it going
Speaker 2: to be? It appears listening to you guys talk about him,
Speaker 2: it wasn't too much for him.
Speaker 4: No, it wasn't.
Speaker 3: I mean, he seemed like he was there for the
Speaker 3: tak now six three three seventeen. You know, physically, maybe
Speaker 3: it was, Hey, is is he a little underside?
Speaker 2: They missed him?
Speaker 3: Did somebody miss I think they missed this middle by Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: they absolutely did, because he proved he can hold his
Speaker 3: own against vision to go all absolutely right, So they
Speaker 3: missed and any Academically, he was the first team Academic
Speaker 3: All American three nine six gpa molecular biology and biochemistry.
Speaker 4: Huge bleeping smart. So I don't have a.
Speaker 3: Doubt he can make the calls and the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3: But that that's what's fun and what I love about
Speaker 3: these Bowl games is kind of being able to find
Speaker 3: here's a small school kid. Now you're up against like elite,
Speaker 3: upper level competition, how do you fare? Thomas Perry was
Speaker 3: a big time winner from our practices there at the
Speaker 3: Shrine Bowl.
Speaker 6: I don't know if he's going to be a combine
Speaker 6: guy or anything like that, but if he does go,
Speaker 6: then we'll get a better idea of how he's athletically.
Speaker 6: Athletically and all this, and some teams will just draft
Speaker 6: you if if you just move well and you just
Speaker 6: you know, snapstep and all this kind of stuff, if
Speaker 6: you just run these drills that they purposely put you
Speaker 6: in to look stiff, to see if you're stiff.
Speaker 5: If he's not stiff, moving guy. Then he'll just gain there.
Speaker 6: But it'll always come back to, hey, this is what
Speaker 6: he did in this bowl game or the bowl practices,
Speaker 6: and then the actual game is being played the night.
Speaker 6: If he goes out there and whoops up on some
Speaker 6: more people, because there's some fantastic tackles out there, you know,
Speaker 6: for him to whoop up on. If he whoops those guys,
Speaker 6: that we go all right, Yeah, Thomas the Tank. He
Speaker 6: got the nickname already.
Speaker 2: So he looked like he did not look out of place.
Speaker 4: No, he didn't. Okay, he was walking on the water
Speaker 4: out there at practice.
Speaker 5: I was walking on that water, Trian boul Waters.
Speaker 3: That bol is different different now the defensive tackles the
Speaker 3: two that really I think everybody every day was just
Speaker 3: raving about Jordan Phillips, the defensive tackle out of Maryland.
Speaker 3: A lot of Cowboy fans are now like, hey, forty
Speaker 3: four do you think Jordan Phillips would be in play?
Speaker 3: And then CJ. West, the defensive tackle out of Indiana.
Speaker 3: And one thing we know about Fluis is he he
Speaker 3: kind of wants a a three tech. But also you're
Speaker 3: looking at maybe a bigger body helps stop the run.
Speaker 3: Here at defensive tackles.
Speaker 4: CJ.
Speaker 3: West is certainly a guy that's going to provide a
Speaker 3: lot of size in the middle of that defense. Might
Speaker 3: be also a name that you could be looking at.
Speaker 3: I don't know, third round.
Speaker 4: CJ.
Speaker 2: West.
Speaker 3: Maybe he pops in the conversation there with Jordan Phillips.
Speaker 3: He was winning every single rep. I don't think I
Speaker 3: really saw him lose during the practice we were at.
Speaker 6: You know, I was just saying to Brian is that
Speaker 6: we have to watch so much more film on these
Speaker 6: guys because this is a class filled with good moving
Speaker 6: three hundred and thirty pound do Yeah, they're but you know,
Speaker 6: you know we're not in the trash can of dirt guys.
Speaker 5: You know, you know world, any.
Speaker 4: Bunch of dancing bears.
Speaker 6: These there's a bunch of dancing bears now. So you know,
Speaker 6: me and Me and Brown are just watching tackles. We
Speaker 6: kind of slowed down on them or whatever. But if
Speaker 6: we have to revisit tackles just to find all the
Speaker 6: good moving, fast guys, it's a couple of them, so
Speaker 6: we may have to get back, you know, get back in.
Speaker 2: You know, you speaking to the tackle just and and
Speaker 2: if you can switch it over from the East West
Speaker 2: to the Bowl. You're starting with, you know what, Sanders
Speaker 2: from South Carolina, Norman Lot from Tennessee, Nolan from Old
Speaker 2: miss These guys are all kind of showing up at
Speaker 2: these you know, at these uh uh at these uh
Speaker 2: these practices and stuff like that. So it looks like overall,
Speaker 2: it's looks like a group that might be pretty deep
Speaker 2: as it does.
Speaker 3: And I mean, I've been I loved what Kyle did
Speaker 3: with the inner with Mike Green. Everybody's now jumping on
Speaker 3: the micreen hive. He's dominating Senior Bowl. I think now
Speaker 3: we'll get to Twitter on the twenty. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of Migreen questions that are flooding. He's been dominating. Jalen
Speaker 3: Royles is looking really good. The wide receiver as well,
Speaker 3: Tes Johnson. I know you wanted to have a little
Speaker 3: Tedes Johnson conversation here. Wide receiver at Oregon A little
Speaker 3: bit smaller statue. Dude's an absolute blazer. Was the top
Speaker 3: target for Dylan Gabriel this year with the Ducks during
Speaker 3: their number one ranked campaign until they lost to Ohio State.
Speaker 2: He's not short, but he's slight. He's skinny. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: I'm saying, I mean there's some guys on this, there's
Speaker 2: some guys out here that are small. Bond to me
Speaker 2: is small, slight, So that to me is a blind
Speaker 2: spot for me and five ten, one sixty for guest. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's that's slight right there for the for the wait.
Speaker 6: Wise though, in the brand of football that you grew
Speaker 6: up with, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Know here we get in the old man football. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't have a face mask and all that stuff.
Speaker 6: Again, this is what happened when he was in the league, right,
Speaker 6: Calvin Johnson was probably popular. Randy Marbins, Yeah, so what
Speaker 6: guys like that, So every single player had to be
Speaker 6: like them? Quarterbacks like that too. Oh we need the
Speaker 6: big size cart with the next This is new football man.
Speaker 6: We have one hundred and sixty pound receivers taking over
Speaker 6: the football game. Now, if this is one hundred and
Speaker 6: sixty pound role player, then fine, I can you know,
Speaker 6: we can bump him down the boards a little bit.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: But when we talk about that Tank Dale film, watching
Speaker 6: Tankdal watching Flowers when he was in Maryland, these are shorter,
Speaker 6: slighter dudes tearing it up. So when I watched tedz Bryant,
Speaker 6: I mean test Johnson from Oregon. Y'all could just watch
Speaker 6: a couple of games here, and Okay, he's fantastic UCLA
Speaker 6: Oregon State. That's a cool game. But when he's when
Speaker 6: he played Penn State in the championship game, one hundred
Speaker 6: and eighty five someid yards on on ten catches, that's
Speaker 6: a little slight dude taking the game over for you.
Speaker 6: And I can see how he translated to the league.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 6: Of course, if a big man tackles him, he's gonna
Speaker 6: fly teach him how to slide. But as but as
Speaker 6: far as being the yet due as far as being
Speaker 6: fast guy, latterly quick guy, I think he's a dude.
Speaker 2: I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I have no doubts about that. What is it that
Speaker 3: scares you, Brian? Is it? Is it the injury risk?
Speaker 3: Is it's the build.
Speaker 2: It's the build, it's the physical nature that and and
Speaker 2: you know, and I I totally appreciate what Vach is
Speaker 2: saying about the guy. I have just never had that ability.
Speaker 2: And like I say, and last night, watch and I
Speaker 2: did a show, and I read Tank Dell and and
Speaker 2: I read I read Flowers. He goes, what the F's
Speaker 2: your problem?
Speaker 5: He was smiling when he ran those reports.
Speaker 3: Right, because I remember two years ago you were saying
Speaker 3: you were having a lot of trouble with these right too,
Speaker 3: because of the size of these.
Speaker 2: I do and then, but you see and know. But
Speaker 2: maybe I haven't seen enough of the tank Dells. Maybe
Speaker 2: I haven't seen enough of the Flowers. And all the
Speaker 2: years I've done this, maybe I've seen more of the
Speaker 2: John Rosses and guys like that, the smaller, fast, quick
Speaker 2: guys that haven't worked out.
Speaker 6: See, that's the difference you get burned by like a
Speaker 6: John Rossll, like a Jalen Rager tag guy. I think
Speaker 6: they're just run past you guy, like Jalen Hyatt is
Speaker 6: run past you guy. But I think what makes Flowers
Speaker 6: and what makes Dell and Johnson different is that they're Dell.
Speaker 2: Is small, I mean five.
Speaker 6: The footwork for Teddy are quicker sideways and they make
Speaker 6: people miss and they create their own angles as as
Speaker 6: ball carries. That's that's why that's why Worthy works right,
Speaker 6: because Worthy is a run past you guy, but he
Speaker 6: works well sideways. I don't think Isaiah Bond works well sideways.
Speaker 6: These Jalen Raggers type, these Jalen higat Is, these I
Speaker 6: run fast, but I'm vertical run fast.
Speaker 5: They don't Royals Utah State.
Speaker 6: He works well sideways when you ask him to run
Speaker 6: sideways then and then he's physical and all that. So
Speaker 6: taking these run past you fast guys, I need one
Speaker 6: more one more change up with them. And Tedis Johnson
Speaker 6: got a couple of changes and he can run routes.
Speaker 3: I'm with you there, And is there anyone else from
Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl that you want to kind this shout
Speaker 3: out before we move on to Twitter on the twenty
Speaker 3: I mean, how about I argue with you guys about
Speaker 3: Arianta Ersery from Minnesota. Yeah, all right, my dude's holding
Speaker 3: his own and I got to say I was with
Speaker 3: you guys.
Speaker 4: He is heavy footed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I loved watching his tape against Abdul Carter
Speaker 3: said on the previous show, like I just saw the
Speaker 3: adjustments throughout the game. He is fighting for his life
Speaker 3: early on. You see him settling, you see him battle back.
Speaker 3: I love to compete the physical nature that he plays
Speaker 3: with the run blocking, to me is one of the
Speaker 3: best in the entire class. But the footwork looked pretty
Speaker 3: good for Arianta Arcerie during those one on won drills
Speaker 3: that we got to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you guys thought about again? I I'm looking
Speaker 2: at Sable from North Dakota State. Is he a guy
Speaker 2: that you're looking at as a tackle or you're looking
Speaker 2: at him now as a guard that you've seen him
Speaker 2: play a little bit. I know on my board I
Speaker 2: have him as a guard. I have him as a
Speaker 2: guard as well.
Speaker 3: And when I was watching him, I was thinking, because
Speaker 3: we always kind of hear about position flexibility. I know
Speaker 3: you've got a new take on this, but Cowboys specifically,
Speaker 3: I do think they value that. I think they like
Speaker 3: that being able to do guys do spots. And I
Speaker 3: watched Zabel and I was thinking, this might be a
Speaker 3: guy the Cowboys could really like. But I'm with you,
Speaker 3: because he's played right tackle, he's played guard.
Speaker 4: I have him as a guard as his natural position.
Speaker 6: I think he's he's better at guard. But it helps
Speaker 6: me put him at guard because he's not like small,
Speaker 6: like he's not three no right, right, right, you know,
Speaker 6: as opposed to our guy Bao from Purdue.
Speaker 5: Right you see how small?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 6: I was watching his one on ones and I'm a
Speaker 6: fan of his, you know from what he put on film,
Speaker 6: But like his legs like just so skinny. He kind
Speaker 6: of got pushed back a little bit. And that corresponds
Speaker 6: with the film that we saw, right, he'll kind of
Speaker 6: get over powered a little bit.
Speaker 2: Islam too, though didn't he wasn't strong.
Speaker 5: He wasn't he wasn't power for a big guy.
Speaker 2: You think, man, that guy's got to be stronger than that, right,
Speaker 2: I mean that's what we were seeing that that. But
Speaker 2: like I to me, the Senior Bowl, in the in
Speaker 2: the East West game just part of what you're trying
Speaker 2: to do. I'm gonna I'm gonna trust the four or
Speaker 2: five games I get to watch and hope that you know.
Speaker 2: But to your point about about Ursary the tackle from Minnesota,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe from the time that Minnesota ended their
Speaker 2: season to the time where he's now at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 2: maybe he got with some people to work on his
Speaker 2: footwork and get coached up a little bit to be
Speaker 2: a little bit better. Because I did see a slow
Speaker 2: footed guy in the tape in Minnesota, you know, but
Speaker 2: he did, to his credit, his feet did look better
Speaker 2: at the at the Senior Bowl they than they had
Speaker 2: on tape.
Speaker 6: Was anybody else besides Millim right that you walked into
Speaker 6: the Senior Bowl going I'm excited about him, but maybe
Speaker 6: kind of let you down a little bit with just
Speaker 6: with you know what, what you've seen so far. Because
Speaker 6: because Princely uhmaman yelling from old Miss, I was ready
Speaker 6: for him to all right, we got one on one.
Speaker 6: You ain't got to worry about the run. You get
Speaker 6: to run past people. I was ready for Princely to
Speaker 6: tear it up and he hadn't really torn it up.
Speaker 6: Donovan from Boston College and Kyle Canard there from South Carolina,
Speaker 6: they've been they've been doing well. I've been proud of them,
Speaker 6: but Princeley's kind of let me down a little bit.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what the initial thought about Thomas the
Speaker 2: Corner from Florida State. I mean, I really sticky, that's
Speaker 2: that's our guy's uh one Game's brother, one Yay's brother here,
Speaker 2: and I I, you know, I really really liked his
Speaker 2: tape at Florida State. But there were a couple of
Speaker 2: reps there where, you know, on day one where there
Speaker 2: was separation, he didn't look like he was in very
Speaker 2: good balance.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: They kind of they kind of put put him in
Speaker 2: the blender a little bit on some of the stuff,
Speaker 2: So that part of me, I think he rallied back
Speaker 2: yesterday a little bit. But man, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: I had him as a as a second round corner
Speaker 2: on my board, and so that was a little bit
Speaker 2: of a little bit of a shock to the system
Speaker 2: to watch him that kind of get separated on the
Speaker 2: way he did well.
Speaker 6: So you mentioned our tackle from Oregon, Josh Connerley. Were
Speaker 6: you down on him just because Mike Green ran smack
Speaker 6: Dad through the middle of his chest and made him
Speaker 6: horizontal in the air. Look or is it like a
Speaker 6: whole bunch of rips you didn't lay for him.
Speaker 4: It's not a whole bunch. I've seen somewhere he's looked good.
Speaker 3: But I thought Connorley can can push to maybe be
Speaker 3: the best tackle in the draft because I like the footwork,
Speaker 3: I like the athleticison that he's playing with. I think
Speaker 3: he does have some power to his game. I think
Speaker 3: he's one of the better pass protectors. I think he
Speaker 3: got a lot of guys that can run block, which
Speaker 3: is nice, and that's why you're looking at Hey, maybe
Speaker 3: some of these stackles can get inside. But that was
Speaker 3: pretty brutal seeing what Mike Green did to him, just
Speaker 3: look making him look like a little Ragnall. But I've
Speaker 3: got Mike Green. Maybe it's like the sixth best player
Speaker 3: in the entire.
Speaker 4: Draft on my board, the whole draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love Mike Green. I think he's absolutely phenomenal. So
Speaker 3: for me, it's like I'm not stunned. I'm not stunned
Speaker 3: that Connor Ly got just destroyed by Mike Green. But
Speaker 3: I've expected a little bit more from him.
Speaker 5: So let's just play a little game.
Speaker 6: We'll chuck Mike Green from Marshall or Luther Burden from Missouri,
Speaker 6: Mike Green, Mike Green or Kelvin Banks, Mike Green, McMillan, McMillan. Okay,
Speaker 6: so you probably got Jensy and Carter and then Mike Green.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well I got McMillan over him too. Yeah, Travis Onoto, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I got Travis Center over room.
Speaker 5: Okay, so he's about four or five you, Okay, Mike.
Speaker 4: Travishner's my number one player. I got ADOTL.
Speaker 3: Carter at two, I got Gent at three, I got
Speaker 3: McMillan at four, I got Mason Graham at five, and
Speaker 3: then I got my Green.
Speaker 5: You got Mike Green, pretty high.
Speaker 2: I cannot wait till draft, the first night of the draft,
Speaker 2: and we're all sitting here and like, it comes down
Speaker 2: to Dallas's pick and who the best player on the board.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be the running back.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be the running back, and they'll take the
Speaker 2: running And do you think they will take the rum?
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think so as we stand right now,
Speaker 3: Gent's there. I don't think they're passing on genty and honestly,
Speaker 3: they'd be foolish still in my opinion.
Speaker 6: Mike Green, your fifth Beth player, take the running back. Man,
Speaker 6: take the running back. And I'm I'm I'm living.
Speaker 2: You're gonna argue Mike Green there at twelve if he's there.
Speaker 2: If it's gent and Mike Green.
Speaker 6: This is where I'm phoning because size kind of makes
Speaker 6: me a little nervous, And it really depends who's on
Speaker 6: the board.
Speaker 5: For Mike Green.
Speaker 6: It depends who's on the board though, right like if
Speaker 6: it's wide receiver or Mike Green. And look also to
Speaker 6: think about this, all of our favorite pass rushers are
Speaker 6: right in the middle of the second round. They're all there,
Speaker 6: So you have to play give and take with what's
Speaker 6: available now. That's not gonna be available later. I'm really
Speaker 6: gonna lie before wy receiver if WY receivers there, because
Speaker 6: I think wide receiver gets a little more slim. If
Speaker 6: I can live without Mike Green, now I can live
Speaker 6: with Donovan Easy from Boston College in the second round.
Speaker 3: Who's also looked really, really good so far on the
Speaker 3: practice we've seen.
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Speaker 3: we got a lot of good questions here. Let's start
Speaker 3: with our guy Mike Crumb. Derek Harmon is my pet cat.
Speaker 3: Truly believe he could end up the best defensive tackle
Speaker 3: in this class. What are your guys thoughts on Derek
Speaker 3: Rmon the defensive tackle out of Oregon.
Speaker 6: In this class field with good moving tackles, he might
Speaker 6: be one of the better moving guys.
Speaker 5: High effort, pretty good hands.
Speaker 6: I think if you're a team that's looking for, you know,
Speaker 6: looking for pass rush from b gap, I think that's
Speaker 6: definite where you want to go.
Speaker 5: But he's not really lacking.
Speaker 6: In power, so he brings both both to the to
Speaker 6: the party there, and I think he has some pretty
Speaker 6: good run some pretty good run reps too. I disagree
Speaker 6: with my guy Mike shots out to Mike with him
Speaker 6: being the best tackle or him possibly could be the
Speaker 6: best tackle in this draft or whatever. But I got
Speaker 6: Derek Harmon pretty high on my boy, He's a top
Speaker 6: five tackle for me.
Speaker 5: I got him in the second round.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got his second round as well. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's the problem with him is he gets a little
Speaker 2: tall at times at the way he plays, and now
Speaker 2: I'll get him in trouble, but you can line him
Speaker 2: up in a lot of different spots and he could
Speaker 2: play well for me, Like the fact he did transfer
Speaker 2: from Michigan State, played there three years and you know,
Speaker 2: came to Oregon. But he's got some power to him
Speaker 2: when you watch him, can be a little disruptive the
Speaker 2: way he plays.
Speaker 3: He does, I mean he flashes being a total game wrecker.
Speaker 3: It would not surprise me as well if he ends
Speaker 3: up being one of the top tackles in this class.
Speaker 3: But he's also the almost guy like you'll see him
Speaker 3: get in the backfield, just lacks the finish. But I
Speaker 3: actually have him as my second defensive tackle behind Mason
Speaker 3: Graham'm a big fan of Derek Carmeron.
Speaker 4: I know Bobby would disagree if he were here.
Speaker 3: He thinks that he shows a little bit of maybe
Speaker 3: some laziness on tape, Like does he get a little
Speaker 3: too tired? When did that big box Bobby watch tape
Speaker 3: on himself. I would disagree. I would disagree there. So
Speaker 3: it comes to Derek Carmon.
Speaker 5: So you got Harmon over Grant from Michigan.
Speaker 2: I do It's not wrong with child.
Speaker 4: No, I mean I like Grank Grant.
Speaker 3: I've got a number three shut out to you and
Speaker 3: Mike though, Ma, but I do love me some Dereck Harmon. Okay,
Speaker 3: this is a good question from Matt Owen. You can
Speaker 3: pick one player from the Senior Bowl, one player from
Speaker 3: the East West Shrine game for the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Who would you pick.
Speaker 6: The best player from the shrinebow is getting a tight end,
Speaker 6: And you know tight end is always something that the
Speaker 6: Cowboy as looking for, so we can get him in
Speaker 6: day three somewhere cool and pick a player from the
Speaker 6: Senior Bowl.
Speaker 5: Give me your fifth best player. It would be good
Speaker 5: to go.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, if you want to go tight end,
Speaker 6: then Harold Fanning from Bowling Green like this is also
Speaker 6: at the Senior Bowl. So just to key from having
Speaker 6: an easy Mike Green answer, then get you a tight
Speaker 6: end at either one of those places.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I think, to me, what's interesting Maybe these
Speaker 2: defensive tackles you've got me talking about, though, you know,
Speaker 2: that would be something I would look at there. I
Speaker 2: think in the I think in the Senior Bowl, Mike
Speaker 2: Green makes an awful lot of sense for what you're
Speaker 2: trying to do.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think I'll go Mic Green to the
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl. You know what, give me Kobe Bryant, the
Speaker 3: corner from Kansas out of the Shrine Bowl. Kobe Bryant,
Speaker 3: who I think is an absolute pass. That's co o
Speaker 3: b ee. And if I'm saying you're a pass, I
Speaker 3: think that's a super compliment. As a corner, he is
Speaker 3: an irritant and I love the way that he plays
Speaker 3: his play temperament to me, big fan of You can
Speaker 3: probably get him later some of these simulators they've got
Speaker 3: him in like the seventh round. I'm seeing people post
Speaker 3: their mocks no A and hell is Kobe Bryant going
Speaker 3: to be there in the seventh round?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: We need to go ahead and adjust that. All right,
Speaker 3: let's get another twitter on the twenty question from Christopher.
Speaker 3: This kind of goes back to a conversation we were
Speaker 3: having earlier. Assuming Genty is on the board at twelve,
Speaker 3: who are some players that you'd consider picking over him?
Speaker 3: If you're having the conversation of depth at running back
Speaker 3: and maybe you can circle back and address that later.
Speaker 6: We need some gas mask videos to come out on Hunter, Carter,
Speaker 6: McMillan or Graham. Those are the only guys that I
Speaker 6: feel really good about, you know, taking over Jens.
Speaker 2: Everybody maybe Simmons if he checks out.
Speaker 6: If Doctor Cooper says that Josh Simmons, you know, nia
Speaker 6: is fine, then I will take Simmons. It really just
Speaker 6: comes down to do you want to roll the dice
Speaker 6: on that second set of running backs being there for you?
Speaker 6: If you pass on Gensy and let's just say Caleb
Speaker 6: Johnson from Ayowa goes like twenty nine and then Hampton
Speaker 6: goes forty two, Now you're cussing everybody the table out,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, when in real life, you
Speaker 6: should just take your guy if that's your guy, and
Speaker 6: now window dresher board like you've been trying to teach
Speaker 6: us for years, bro, and just move. That'll be a
Speaker 6: doomsday type situation because now you're going, all right, I
Speaker 6: do have to overpay for one of these other running
Speaker 6: backs that have a third round grade on or will
Speaker 6: that run on that that group of running backs like uh,
Speaker 6: you know Samson and Harvey and Henderson, Well, if those
Speaker 6: guys go late too before you can get back to
Speaker 6: your three Yeah. Oh now we now we're doing the
Speaker 6: same exact thing we did last season, right, but we're
Speaker 6: waiting for running back. Oh they're going, well, we don't
Speaker 6: like that guy. Let's wait for this group of guys
Speaker 6: and they never come back to you. So I would
Speaker 6: much rather be safe than sorry. If one of those
Speaker 6: top five or six guys aren't there, I'll probably feel
Speaker 6: better taking Ashton jen Zy, But if you ask me
Speaker 6: again next week, I'll change my mind again and wait
Speaker 6: on Hampton.
Speaker 3: I do think there is there's a drop off from
Speaker 3: Genty and these other backs. I know everybody just likes
Speaker 3: to assume, like, Okay, it's super deep at running backs,
Speaker 3: you're good, you can circle back. But I mean Genty
Speaker 3: compared to Caleb Johnson. I like him, but he's not
Speaker 3: as good. No, no, no, Like if you can have the
Speaker 3: best in a class that we're saying might be one
Speaker 3: of the best that we've seen in recent memory, I
Speaker 3: think that also says something too. If I'm getting the
Speaker 3: best back of a great class that speaks volumes, how
Speaker 3: darn good that running back is? I agree, and he
Speaker 3: can help the offensive line. Okay, back to Twitter on
Speaker 3: the twenty questions your dream scenario round one, two and three.
Speaker 3: Do you have any dream scenarios right now that you
Speaker 3: could just say? Okay, I'd love if I could come
Speaker 3: out of arounds one, two, and three. With these sets
Speaker 3: of players, I'd be absolutely having a dance party.
Speaker 5: Who has this?
Speaker 4: This would be Edmund?
Speaker 2: Edmund, don are we about to do this in a
Speaker 2: mock simulator?
Speaker 4: We'll do a mock simulator. I don't know if that
Speaker 4: would be our dreams.
Speaker 3: You want to save that and see if, like maybe
Speaker 3: we are able to like no, go ahead, I mean
Speaker 3: so like that.
Speaker 6: If I hadn't walk away with a wide receiver, running
Speaker 6: back and a d tackle, I can I can be.
Speaker 6: I can live with that. I can be pretty good
Speaker 6: if if not only do we get those guys, but
Speaker 6: I like them all, Yeah, then I can. I can
Speaker 6: feel good about that. If the Cowboys find themselves in
Speaker 6: some trade vack scenario, we can add a guard or
Speaker 6: something like that. I'm really throwing a part of We're
Speaker 6: all going to go and corral if we can get
Speaker 6: four four picks in day one and two. But I'm
Speaker 6: not positive that we're gonna be able to pull that
Speaker 6: off like we did last year.
Speaker 2: Man, that's tough. I'm trying to think about. Okay, a
Speaker 2: go runner, receiver tackle.
Speaker 6: This is the hard part though, Yeah, because you can
Speaker 6: have your list, but a corner that you love could
Speaker 6: be there.
Speaker 2: Actually, So now you lacking a corner exactly exactly now
Speaker 2: you're looking at age or something. Yeah, at my the depth,
Speaker 2: I have it forty four potentially. But man, if we
Speaker 2: only got twelve to fifteen first round grades, all that
Speaker 2: second round depth that I'm looking at right now is
Speaker 2: gonna get picked in the first round. It's all gonna
Speaker 2: be gone.
Speaker 4: Man, I'm just gonna throw this out now.
Speaker 3: I can probably change this about ten different times. Give
Speaker 3: me Mike Green, give me Johnson in the second round,
Speaker 3: and then maybe I can get Zabel in the third.
Speaker 4: And I feel pretty good.
Speaker 3: I've got an offensive lineman, I got myself an elite runner,
Speaker 3: and I've gotten edge to pair with Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4: That I think is gonna be a nightmare for teams.
Speaker 6: Your new coaches on defense are going to cuss you
Speaker 6: out there. We're not gonna get any tackle help until
Speaker 6: round five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they probably will, But I mean that's the issue
Speaker 3: with how many holes there are on this football team
Speaker 3: right now, some other position is going to be cussing
Speaker 3: me out.
Speaker 5: You love Mike Green, I get that. I love them too.
Speaker 6: I think tackle is an emergency defensive tackle is emerging.
Speaker 5: I think you have edges.
Speaker 6: You may not be as set as you want to
Speaker 6: be at edge, but I think you looking at at
Speaker 6: one take in particular. I think you're looking at one
Speaker 6: take like, man, we we either gonna live. We're either
Speaker 6: gonna live or die.
Speaker 3: By that he could be losing to a free agency
Speaker 3: DeMarcus Lawrence, Chauncey Golston.
Speaker 4: How you're replacing them?
Speaker 2: Well, let me can we throw this in the scenario
Speaker 2: into this situation there? What do you think about linebacker?
Speaker 2: What if Walker could Walker from Georgia be and play
Speaker 2: at twelve? See we even we you know you're you're
Speaker 2: linebacking situation is dire.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't think Jayla Walk is a linebacker, so
Speaker 5: i'd be I don't.
Speaker 3: I'd be looking at you hot Campbell and that would
Speaker 3: be a trade back scenario. I'd love it if he
Speaker 3: could get there at forty four. I think that'd be
Speaker 3: tremendous value. But considering the lack of really good and
Speaker 3: maybe Schwessinger from UCLA, could he end up being a
Speaker 3: guy that falls you.
Speaker 4: I would have that conversation in the second one.
Speaker 2: I just think that you got to start thinking about
Speaker 2: linebackers and whether I think Walker's edge or a linebacker.
Speaker 4: I think he's an edge. I know you had, and
Speaker 4: I value that.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's other scouts in the league that do
Speaker 3: think he's too short to be a full time edge,
Speaker 3: and I just worry about I don't know that he's
Speaker 3: athletic enough to be a sideline As sideline linebacker, I
Speaker 3: think he can get exploited very easily by offenses.
Speaker 4: If you more.
Speaker 2: Exploited as a linebacker or as an edge.
Speaker 4: I see as a linebacker because I think his best
Speaker 4: trades as an edge.
Speaker 6: I think, and it's so weird for him. I think
Speaker 6: his best trace Sorgia by the way. I think his
Speaker 6: best traits are just simply moving forward, because I think
Speaker 6: he has I think he has problems, like if you
Speaker 6: just call it edge, I think he got problems at edge,
Speaker 6: like you know, maybe with his size or whatever. And
Speaker 6: if if he's just at linebacker, I think I think
Speaker 6: he has problems with doing the linebacker things or moving backwards.
Speaker 5: But I think his best plays are just moving forward.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I think. If you have some
Speaker 2: type of free agency limited around here, if you're going
Speaker 2: to play that game. You better be looking for guys
Speaker 2: like Eric Kendricks. Is you to do people like that
Speaker 2: because I've seen very very few lineback.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what the conversation we're having here is
Speaker 3: why you'd have a lot of cowboy fans that are saying,
Speaker 3: because of all these needs, that's why you would punt
Speaker 3: on taking a running back early and then maybe you're
Speaker 3: able to get an Olie Gordon on Day.
Speaker 4: Three at the draft if he's able to slide.
Speaker 3: The issue is that fourth round pick, because I do
Speaker 3: think you're gonna have a lot of these running backs
Speaker 3: like we saw last year that are just gonna fly
Speaker 3: off the board in the fourth round. Do you need
Speaker 3: to end up trading up with one of your three
Speaker 3: fives to get back into that to make sure you
Speaker 3: don't miss on one of your dudes?
Speaker 2: Better off? Probably if they're gonna do it, they're probably
Speaker 2: gonna have to do it like they did against with
Speaker 2: Detroit last year and try and get the extra round
Speaker 2: roue in round one, just slide back and get the
Speaker 2: extra three and go.
Speaker 6: I'm hoping somebody's watching mill Row and going, man, I
Speaker 6: gotta get in that top twelve to get that.
Speaker 4: Guy and any stuff through interceptions.
Speaker 6: That's the problem. That's the problem. I'd like, you know,
Speaker 6: not name Sanders and Ward. I don't think there's quarterbacks
Speaker 6: there's really think we.
Speaker 3: Saw Colin McCord Kyle we He really did impress me
Speaker 3: because I was not a column accord fan, but seeing
Speaker 3: him live, he was much better with his accuracy, ball
Speaker 3: placement and his processing.
Speaker 4: I thought was impressive.
Speaker 6: See that next wave of guys. They're not gonna help
Speaker 6: you at twelve, right, But if maybe at the top
Speaker 6: of the second round somebody won some of those guys,
Speaker 6: top of the third maybe, and then that helps us
Speaker 6: by bumping players down to forty four and seventy six
Speaker 6: or wherever we're drafting, then that'll benefit us there. But
Speaker 6: as far as quarterback goes in at top twelve, so range,
Speaker 6: I think that's just who we you know, that's that's
Speaker 6: who we have. I don't think there's a bow Knicks
Speaker 6: type situation.
Speaker 2: Jackson Dark.
Speaker 6: Maybe I don't know Jackson Dark getting a twelve, but
Speaker 6: I think people are gonna like him.
Speaker 4: I think you could be on it.
Speaker 2: You've been on Jackson Dark here, You've been talking to nobody, nobody,
Speaker 2: Jackson Dark.
Speaker 4: You watch Trey Harris watched tape Jack and Dark.
Speaker 2: You watch these you watch these SEC games. You throw
Speaker 2: old miss on there because you're thinking, okay, they've got
Speaker 2: weapons on the outside, you know, weapon at quarterback, and
Speaker 2: you see him making plays. I mean you're watching watching
Speaker 2: that LSU corner the other day. So Alexander, you know,
Speaker 2: watching him play. I'm watching Jackson Dart just dice up Lsu.
Speaker 5: I would hope the league loves them.
Speaker 6: I hope the league loves Riley Leonard and all these
Speaker 6: guys come up here and take them all in, you know,
Speaker 6: help us out a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that'd be nice. Just keep pushing down the good players.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: There there are some several center questions on here. We
Speaker 3: just don't think that there's really a ton of centers
Speaker 3: as Ted Johnson watching the Senior.
Speaker 5: Bowl, right.
Speaker 3: It's the route run with somebody, so, I mean the
Speaker 3: quick fit. His ability to separate there was really unbelievable.
Speaker 5: Look at a hundred and sixty pounds.
Speaker 2: You guys hav him a completely off the board, you do,
Speaker 2: I mean you've got him as an undrafted It's like
Speaker 2: a little disrespect hater.
Speaker 3: Right now, let me ask one more here. Twitter on
Speaker 3: the twenty and then let's mock draft style. This is
Speaker 3: from Christian Would you rather Okay at twelve?
Speaker 4: Genty?
Speaker 3: At forty four? Ristreppo the wide receiver from Miam half
Speaker 3: of me yea Kay or Burden at twelve? Xavier Watts
Speaker 3: had a Notre Dame at forty four.
Speaker 2: I've got what don't know that spots because he hates safeties.
Speaker 5: I hate safety.
Speaker 2: He hates safety. Anytime we bring up safeties on our show,
Speaker 2: he like, he looks at me, like, why are we
Speaker 2: talking about this?
Speaker 3: You wouldn't have a conversation at about starts at twelve
Speaker 3: right from Georgia.
Speaker 4: Because I would not.
Speaker 3: I am I him probably lower on stars than the rest.
Speaker 2: Of Have you seen Mabka play Texas?
Speaker 3: I think Wats is better. I think mccooba is better
Speaker 3: from Texas to Cuba.
Speaker 5: Mccooba's my safety one. I got him higher to starts.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think he's just more physical. I see
Speaker 3: Starks miss a lot of tackles, and you see him
Speaker 3: miss tackles in big games. That first half against Alabama
Speaker 3: was bad, and against Notre Dame in the in the
Speaker 3: ball game, miss some plays.
Speaker 4: So I mean, I get it.
Speaker 3: Like you can see some athleticism, but I love to
Speaker 3: Exavier watch tape better.
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. Oh no, his tape's really good with him.
Speaker 6: Watts is so odd of being able to find the
Speaker 6: football from roaming around, you know, like, oh no, he
Speaker 6: goes to it. When we think of these ball hawking guys,
Speaker 6: we're normally thinking like a one high safety or maybe
Speaker 6: somebody that can get from the middle of the field
Speaker 6: to the numbers.
Speaker 5: Hashes to the numbers.
Speaker 6: He'll be roaming around, hooking curl and up in the
Speaker 6: flats and just you know, just catch a pick over there.
Speaker 6: Just he if he finds the football is so magne
Speaker 6: to him. And that's why I have him ranked higher
Speaker 6: than some of these other safeties. And that's why I
Speaker 6: got the safety from Texas there. I got him higher
Speaker 6: than Starks. Starks doesn't really gravitate towards picks. To me,
Speaker 6: I think Starks has the size that these teams may want.
Speaker 6: He's versatile, he can do some man cover stuff. But
Speaker 6: if I'm drafting a safety, I want a dude that
Speaker 6: gets picks. I want a ball howk in safety. I
Speaker 6: think that's the kid from Textas. I just can't say
Speaker 6: his last name, Andrew.
Speaker 3: Trans transfer from Clemson and was absolutely brilliant this year. Okay,
Speaker 3: last one. This is a personal question here because I'm
Speaker 3: seeing a lot of wide receiver.
Speaker 2: But you're not gonna leave yourself any time for the
Speaker 2: smock draft.
Speaker 4: Now and then we're gonna break. Now, we're gonna be good.
Speaker 3: H If you had to take a wide receiver at
Speaker 3: twelve not named Tess McMillan, who you're.
Speaker 2: Taking test tip mc millan ted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, I'm thinking Tess Johnson's you're watching him over here,
Speaker 3: not Nam McMillian, cause I don't think he's getting there.
Speaker 6: I think Luther Burden gives you the best opportunity to
Speaker 6: get a bona fide dude at wide receiver that probably
Speaker 6: fits what you're trying to do here at the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm going with him.
Speaker 2: I agree with Burden the band, but Booka makes a
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Speaker 2: played at a very very high level to make himself
Speaker 2: a first round player, being a guy that's been a
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Speaker 2: at Ohio state.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with Yannigbuk. I think he'd be my guy.
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Speaker 3: Zach Wolchuck Vatch, Lombardi, Brian brought us with you. Let's
Speaker 3: do a little war room mock Draft edition. As I've
Speaker 3: got the simulator up. Cowboys on the clock. At Big twelve,
Speaker 3: you've got cam Ward. He goes number one to the Titans.
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter cornerback, Colorado or Receiver off the board goes
Speaker 3: to the Browns. At two, shardor Sanders goes to the Giants.
Speaker 3: At three, Abdull Carter Edge, Penn State off the board
Speaker 3: goes to the Pats, followed by Mason Graham defensive tackle Michigan.
Speaker 3: He goes to the Jags. Tech McMillan wide receiver Arizona
Speaker 3: is a raid at six. Will Johnson the corner from
Speaker 3: Michigan off the board at seven to the j E
Speaker 3: T s Jets, Jets Jets, Malachi Starks.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a pen throw. Gosh, start it. I was
Speaker 2: hoping he'd get to twelve. He goes eight to the
Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers. Will Campbell lsu staying a home. He's going
Speaker 2: to the Saints at nine.
Speaker 3: Then we got two edge rushers, James Pierce Junior the
Speaker 3: edge from Tennessee to the Bears at ten.
Speaker 2: And they still haven't got anybody to block for that quarterback.
Speaker 3: And then Mike Green Edge Marshall goes to the nine
Speaker 3: right before the Cowboys pick at eleven. So Boys Ashton
Speaker 3: genty on the board, Luther Burden wide receiver, Miszoo on
Speaker 3: the board. Josh Simmons tackle from Ohio State, Kelvin Banks
Speaker 3: tackle or guard from Texas is there?
Speaker 4: Buka is there.
Speaker 3: Kenneth Grant is available the defensive tackle from Michigan.
Speaker 6: I'm looking at my board here, Zach, and I don't
Speaker 6: want to window dress because I don't want Brian brought
Speaker 6: to shame me here. We have a variable here. If
Speaker 6: Doctor Cooper taps me on the show to say we good. Yeah,
Speaker 6: Josh Simmons is my best player on my board right now. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean I have tackle from Ohio State.
Speaker 2: You know what it's. I mean, I would hate to
Speaker 2: I don't even want to jump tags. I don't even
Speaker 2: want to think about jumping tags. But I think that
Speaker 2: to me, you know, with Genty, unbelievable player. I think
Speaker 2: if you've got a real plan for what you want
Speaker 2: to do at offensive tackle, Simmons could come in here.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you if you want to say, okay, hey,
Speaker 2: we're gonna move on from We're gonna move on from
Speaker 2: our you know, a right tackle, we're gonna move getting over,
Speaker 2: or we're gonna make guyt in a swing or whatever.
Speaker 2: Simmons is. Simmons is one of those guys that could
Speaker 2: take me off Genty. He's that. He's that kind of player.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Cowboys first round offensive lineman reputation will be right
Speaker 6: back good if you can get Simmons up here. I
Speaker 6: think Simmons is a bona fide to do it. I
Speaker 6: think he's the best tackle in the draft. As a
Speaker 6: run block of pass blocklayer athlete. He does all the blocks,
Speaker 6: reach blocks, down blocks, second level blocks, and he's and
Speaker 6: he's powerful while he's run blocking hands and feet technique.
Speaker 2: Guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm you know in this class where we're having
Speaker 6: problems find the tackles we like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you if you told me that, hey, give
Speaker 2: me I have a chance to pick the best offensive
Speaker 2: tackle on the board, then I'm going to take the
Speaker 2: best offensive tackle on the board. And Simmons would be
Speaker 2: that guy for me and I and I love Genty
Speaker 2: and I think the Genty would have is going to
Speaker 2: have a hell of a career. But I think that
Speaker 2: much of Simmons that I would take him over Genty.
Speaker 5: So why not Burden for you, Brian, right now.
Speaker 3: I'd be looking at personally, I'd take a Buck over Burden.
Speaker 3: I get the yak, I get the explosiveness. I think
Speaker 3: a Buk is going to be a really good pro.
Speaker 3: I think he's clean. I love the idea of pairing
Speaker 3: him with Ceedee Lamb. I don't have the concern about
Speaker 3: him being a slot only player. I saw him his
Speaker 3: freshman year went on the outside when Jackson Smith and
Speaker 3: Jigbubb and I get he was hurt the majority of
Speaker 3: that season, but he can win outside. But I Simmons,
Speaker 3: I'm with you, guys, He's the best tackle in the draft.
Speaker 2: If you have a plan, If you have a plan,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean to me, this kid could come in.
Speaker 2: He plays left tackle. Now you've got to figure out
Speaker 2: what you're gonna do with Geydon. Yeah, you have to
Speaker 2: figure that out. If you don't have a good plan
Speaker 2: with Geyton, let's take Genty and move on, you know,
Speaker 2: but please tell me because if you take Simmons, you're
Speaker 2: gonna have to have something, you know, and you wouldn't
Speaker 2: consider Banks out of Texas. It would be Simmons only.
Speaker 2: Gimme Simmons over Banks all day.
Speaker 6: On my board, it's Simmons, Burden, Ohio State, BUKA. Then
Speaker 6: I got Kelvin Banks.
Speaker 3: And and Tyler Warren. I know you guys wouldn't want
Speaker 3: I would have Warren up there on my board, but
Speaker 3: I don't think i'd take a tight end here.
Speaker 6: And just for reference, Brian has Banks as a guard,
Speaker 6: So you got to think about it, you know, kind
Speaker 6: of from from that way there. So is he going
Speaker 6: to be the right guard for you? Or do you
Speaker 6: draft a tackle and put him next to Tyler Smith
Speaker 6: and you know bbing, you know, fortifying that that left side.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 6: So both these players, whether it be Simmons or Banks,
Speaker 6: they have different plans.
Speaker 5: You under saying.
Speaker 6: I'm saying, you know, like, there's no world where Simmons
Speaker 6: comes and plays right guard for you.
Speaker 4: He's a true tackle, he is. So you want to
Speaker 4: go with Josh Simmons.
Speaker 6: Here, I'm going with Josh Simmons. You can fight for
Speaker 6: a book if you want, you can cuss us out.
Speaker 4: I would take Gent.
Speaker 3: I would just stick with the best player here, and
Speaker 3: I would just take Ashton Genty. But I'm totally always
Speaker 3: fine with building in the trench. It sounds like both
Speaker 3: of you want to go Simmons.
Speaker 2: Do we have a plan. Do we have a plan
Speaker 2: for simmons ornament left tackle? And then we're gonna have
Speaker 2: Guiding and Steel compete on the right side.
Speaker 5: If Steele is on his team. I'm just kind of
Speaker 5: sitting Guden.
Speaker 6: I think the worst thing that happened to Guiden was
Speaker 6: Tyron Smith left, so you just have to just throw
Speaker 6: Guiding directly in the fire. I think Guiden would have
Speaker 6: would have really benefited from just sitting down one year
Speaker 6: and he I think he'll have the same problems on
Speaker 6: the left side as he'll have on the right side, honestly,
Speaker 6: And we got some coaching in here. I don't know
Speaker 6: what Schtdenheimer thinks about thinks about Guiden, But if Shottenheimer
Speaker 6: is working out of Ohio State and he sees Simmons
Speaker 6: moving around and doctor Cooper says you good to go,
Speaker 6: then I don't see why you would be attached.
Speaker 5: To a guy in that way.
Speaker 2: I take Simmons.
Speaker 5: I'm taking Simmons, all right.
Speaker 3: Josh Simmons is to pick. They're at twelve for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: As we have the man, I'm praying, let's hope that
Speaker 3: the running back is available. Okay, Xavier Watts went right
Speaker 3: before the Cowboys pick. So did Gray Zabel, the North
Speaker 3: Dakota State guard slash tackle to the Jets.
Speaker 4: Princely the edge rusher from on Mits is gone.
Speaker 3: J T t is gone from Ohio State, Donovan's a rock.
Speaker 3: Wou Easy from Boston College is gone, Baron's gone.
Speaker 5: Who am I running backs?
Speaker 4: Right now?
Speaker 5: That's available? Right now?
Speaker 3: You're running backs. Cam Scattabell is available. If you're interested.
Speaker 3: There you do have Dylan Sampson. Caleb Johnson still on
Speaker 3: the board. Caleb Johnson out of Iowa is still there.
Speaker 3: So is Trevon Henderson out of Ohio State.
Speaker 2: Can you give me? Can you give me any other
Speaker 2: position you want to look at it? Give me a
Speaker 2: give me a wide receiver. Save On Williams is there? Okay?
Speaker 2: Give me give me a defensive tackle, one technique.
Speaker 4: Okay, defensive tackles. Let's take a look here.
Speaker 5: Give me about give me about three o oo's tackles.
Speaker 2: I can know Norman a lot, Okay, Alfred Collins ok
Speaker 2: Texas Walker out of Kentucky.
Speaker 6: Give me, give me two more names at wide receiver.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking running back right now, I'm opting.
Speaker 2: I think Johnson, and I'm just trying to justify not
Speaker 2: taking Johnson.
Speaker 3: Here, you got Jalen royals Utah State, Jack Besh out
Speaker 3: of TCU, Higgins out of Iowa staate.
Speaker 2: Okay, Besh would be your acts, that would be your acts.
Speaker 2: He would be.
Speaker 6: But just board wise, I got Johnson way ahead of
Speaker 6: all the guys that he's missed.
Speaker 2: I think you're I think you're right.
Speaker 4: Johnson would be. You do have Johad Campbell.
Speaker 5: Linebacker John Campbell there from from Alabama.
Speaker 4: He's the best rated player left.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to live with Leo foul and get
Speaker 5: this running back. Man, I'm going. I'm going Caleb.
Speaker 6: I think these other running backs are fine, like Harvey, Sampson, Henderson,
Speaker 6: those guys are fine. I think the last dynamic running back,
Speaker 6: and like you said, is that they're not superstar like Jens.
Speaker 6: But I do think that Johnson and Hampton are dynamic.
Speaker 6: And if I have an opportunity to get one of
Speaker 6: those guys after passing on Jency, I think John Johnson
Speaker 6: the right.
Speaker 2: I think when you get past Johnson and Hampton, you're
Speaker 2: starting to talk about guys, you're having to pair with
Speaker 2: other running backsy So give me. I'll take Johnson.
Speaker 4: I'll take Caleb Johnson as well.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you got Josh Simmons, you got your running
Speaker 3: back in Caleb Johnson, and now we go all the
Speaker 3: way to round three. Besh is gone, a lot of
Speaker 3: Fannin's gone, the tight end, Walker's gone, Booker's gone. The
Speaker 3: guard from Alabama, Maxwell harst In the corner out of
Speaker 3: Kentucky went right before you.
Speaker 2: So he's had he's had a good senior ball. By
Speaker 2: the way, that's a stick.
Speaker 4: He's looking pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so we're looking now, you've got to tackle.
Speaker 3: You've got a runner, gunner helm tight end. Texas is
Speaker 3: on the board.
Speaker 2: That's kind of where I got him.
Speaker 3: Isaiah Bond still there, wide receiver out of Texas. Say
Speaker 3: his name, you're William and Mary tackle. Charles Grant's hanging
Speaker 3: out uh Asra Thomas cornerback Florida state wide receivers. Derek
Speaker 3: Harmon is still there. Defensive tackle out of Oregon. Tesz
Speaker 3: Johnson is available from Oregon. Trey Harris oh Miss is
Speaker 3: still there as well.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking Tedz Johnson and Derek Harmon off the bet
Speaker 6: right here. But let's just talk about it. What what
Speaker 6: am my age.
Speaker 4: Is there?
Speaker 5: I got a first round.
Speaker 6: Pick on got out on mccooba, and I don't know.
Speaker 6: If I don't know, is gonna fall like this? He
Speaker 6: might be going, but I don't know.
Speaker 4: The edges are look like Josiah Stewart from Michigan.
Speaker 2: Uh, he's more of a he is the third round guy.
Speaker 2: He's the top of the third round guy. He can rush.
Speaker 4: Rutger from North Carolina. I can't say, I've watched him yet.
Speaker 5: Kim r. He's a pass rush and I really run
Speaker 5: down guy, but you know, keep going.
Speaker 4: Ashton Gillotti, he's more of a yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: One guy that that I did like at the Senior
Speaker 3: Bowl Antoine Powell Ryland, the Edge from Virginia text there,
Speaker 3: but I think this might be a little early.
Speaker 5: Okay, so we're not looking at it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the edges don't, don't aren't really streaming at me.
Speaker 5: Linebacker is a linebacker? This Wessenger or a night Available.
Speaker 4: They're both gone. You do have Barrett Carter from Clemson.
Speaker 2: I tell you what, he would drive you nuts because
Speaker 2: he really lacks instinct. Yeah, I'm sorry, I just had
Speaker 2: to say that. I know you guys need to watch him,
Speaker 2: but you're gonna you're gonna watch. He is a He's
Speaker 2: a guy that when you watch him play, it's amazing
Speaker 2: how often the ball goes right past him where he's
Speaker 2: just not aware of what's happening around him.
Speaker 6: I think the conversation comes down to the two players Oregon, Uh.
Speaker 4: Well not Jacob Parrish from Kansas State.
Speaker 6: I like the player, but compared to Tams Johnson or
Speaker 6: Derek Harmon. I don't think he's in this conversation.
Speaker 3: I mean, I got Harmon as my number two defensive tackle.
Speaker 3: I think I would absolutely take him here. He would
Speaker 3: be the dude that i'd probably lean with.
Speaker 2: Is he Is he more of a one or three?
Speaker 4: I think I think he's a one. They get you
Speaker 4: some past rush a billy.
Speaker 2: Okay, and you said Campbells still on the board not
Speaker 2: this point, but not anymore. He wasn't in the second
Speaker 2: round he was.
Speaker 4: He's gone. The linebackers are pretty wiped.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think there's a linebacker that we
Speaker 3: like enough here and Bo's there the tackle from But
Speaker 3: we've already taken an.
Speaker 6: Offensive tame and I think at this point I think
Speaker 6: we should have gone a different person. I think I
Speaker 6: think we've done fine. You just got to live with
Speaker 6: the idea that whether one tech or wide receiver, the
Speaker 6: one that you don't pick, you're probably gonna be wiped
Speaker 6: out there. But we've been watching these these bowls, you know,
Speaker 6: the bowl games and practices and all that. Can we
Speaker 6: live with one of these guys that we've been seeing lately, Uh,
Speaker 6: Jordan Phillips, Uh, you know, C. J.
Speaker 2: West?
Speaker 6: Can we can we live with one of those guys
Speaker 6: playing one take for us? And get Tedaz Johnson a
Speaker 6: receiver and and Taz I got him in the second round,
Speaker 6: So if him being here in the third, I think
Speaker 6: that's some that's some value for him.
Speaker 5: Pairs of CD land really well, get you done? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I know you want to take Speed, I'd go with
Speaker 3: the other Oregon kid. I'd take Harmon here. That would
Speaker 3: be my vote.
Speaker 2: I I you know what, I I've got to do
Speaker 2: something about some of these defensive tackles.
Speaker 3: Samark Turner is still there from A and M. Is
Speaker 3: that good value here? You think I didn't love his tape?
Speaker 3: And I'm looking like a different player at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 2: He's I got Harmon in the second round. I mean
Speaker 2: I'm top of the second. You know, JJ Pegeese is
Speaker 2: there from from Ole Miss.
Speaker 6: I can live with either, whether it be the wide
Speaker 6: receiver Johnson or the tackle Harmon. I can live with either.
Speaker 6: But I'm gonna put my my vote in for the receiver.
Speaker 6: But I don't hate either one.
Speaker 2: There are.
Speaker 3: Do you think it's deeper when I'm looking at the
Speaker 3: defensive tackles available compared to the wide receivers available.
Speaker 6: That's my point. I think there's a lot more tackles
Speaker 6: than wide receivers.
Speaker 2: But do we need an X? I mean, are we
Speaker 2: talking about the.
Speaker 6: I'm an x is that you like will be gone?
Speaker 6: This is all like slack quick do situations going on
Speaker 6: right here.
Speaker 4: Ricky White from U N l V. You wait and
Speaker 4: snag him if you already got Jalen.
Speaker 2: If you're drafting, if you're drafted, let me ask you
Speaker 2: if you're drafting Johnson from Oregon. Yeah, are you've been
Speaker 2: thinking about tendering? I mean you have to tender uh
Speaker 2: uh Turpin? Yeah, you just the same guy. I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm just the same type of play.
Speaker 6: Johnson does a lot more wide receiver things than Turping,
Speaker 6: but they're the same type of birsty, explosive guy.
Speaker 2: Sure, so we're tendering a guy like a second round
Speaker 2: but also drafting another receiver that's very similar.
Speaker 5: That's fair. Let's go Harmon there, all right.
Speaker 4: I'm in on. I'm in on Hormon.
Speaker 6: And I wouldn't even think Harmony even be here. So
Speaker 6: if Harmon's here, then I'm doing a little dance that
Speaker 6: I can get him into third.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 13: R J.
Speaker 4: Harvey was the last pick there in the third round,
Speaker 4: so overall.
Speaker 5: But we stuck with Jalen Brooks and them, so we.
Speaker 4: Did, we did.
Speaker 3: We ended up getting an offensive tackle, Josh Simmons out
Speaker 3: of Ohio State. Caleb Johnson felt, I wasn't forty four
Speaker 3: the running back out of Iowa and then Derek Harmon,
Speaker 3: the defensive tackle out of Oregon able to make it
Speaker 3: there at pick seventy six. I think we're feeling pretty
Speaker 3: good about that haul in the first three rounds.
Speaker 2: Actually that the way that fell for me was one
Speaker 2: to two on my rounds. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Likewise, yeah, likewise one two too. I feel good about it.
Speaker 4: And guys, we did it.
Speaker 2: We were actually you actually moved that thing along. Man're
Speaker 2: proud of you for doing it.
Speaker 4: A good job, guys, thought I was.
Speaker 3: We did a good Let's go any final thoughts before
Speaker 3: we booget out of here.
Speaker 2: No, I mean it just goes to show you though
Speaker 2: that I'm just gonna say this. I hated hated trading
Speaker 2: away from or not trading.
Speaker 5: But moving away from chances.
Speaker 2: I hated it. But but Simmons, Simmons is one of
Speaker 2: the Simmons is one of the guys that I absolutely
Speaker 2: love in this draft Ohio State Tackle. Yeah, so genty,
Speaker 2: I mean God, I'm just gonna just gonna hold my
Speaker 2: breath and hope for the best.
Speaker 3: So this would be about, Hey, you go to the
Speaker 3: combine with him and then you get your medicals.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the medical clear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Doctor Cooper and all the other thirty one other
Speaker 2: teams are gonna They're gonna pull and push and see
Speaker 2: how it all is. And if you get a clean
Speaker 2: bill of health and away you go. I could say,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm you know, I'm green lighting that thing. But
Speaker 2: if there's any kind of complications, we need to figure
Speaker 2: out if they're complications, if there's something like well, potentially
Speaker 2: it could be degenerate and all that blah blah blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, that stuff that goes on long term and stuff,
Speaker 2: then that might make our determination of drafting genty a
Speaker 2: little bit easier.
Speaker 6: If doctor Cooper taps show on the shoulder and says,
Speaker 6: sim is no good at that point in this draft,
Speaker 6: do you go Burden or GenZ.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would go genty. There a gent too, me too.
Speaker 4: I don't know what it is about Bird, I'm scared.
Speaker 4: I love the Yeah, you.
Speaker 6: Don't see them do a bunch of wide receiver things.
Speaker 6: But but I think YAK is the purest form of
Speaker 6: football you could possibly have. Yeah, but in the league
Speaker 6: you want the stuff that translates, and that's route running,
Speaker 6: and that's awareness and like body control and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: I could see him getting bullied a little bit on
Speaker 4: the outside.
Speaker 6: You need your offense coordinator to believe in motions movies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're gonna have to move.
Speaker 3: Is that a lot of what you're doing with CD? Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know. The burden fits as well.
Speaker 2: See, I was trying to argue that go get an
Speaker 2: X maybe at forty four. Yeah, there's somebody on the
Speaker 2: other side.
Speaker 4: Standford kid would make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 4: This has been a blast, guys.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it real quick, real quick. Could Royals Utah
Speaker 2: State play X for you?
Speaker 5: He can do it sometimes, but I wouldn't do it
Speaker 5: a whole bunch.
Speaker 2: I got you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I have because he's physical.
Speaker 2: I like it. I like it. I like him for
Speaker 2: I like the Maybe it's my old nineteen nineties football,
Speaker 2: That's what I'm about.
Speaker 5: Well round the Kicker Bill.
Speaker 4: He ended up going to the second round. In this
Speaker 4: mock draft scenario.
Speaker 5: You got a third on him, but he might be
Speaker 5: a second.
Speaker 3: Maybe he rises with the Senior Bowl. There's been a blast.
Speaker 3: Brian Rodis watch Lombardi. I'm Zach Walchuk. We got another
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