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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth Blazarre and Lazar O.

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Speaker 2: Everybody nailed it. Joined has always by our bar gap.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars.

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Speaker 2: I'll keep saying it to deep man coverage.

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Speaker 1: When you throw.

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Speaker 2: Slants, you throw crossing routes, you throw digs, you throw

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Speaker 2: stuff into the middle of the field. So if you're

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Speaker 2: not willing to throw those routes and you're only gonna

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Speaker 2: throw outs and corners and verticals and stuff like that,

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Speaker 2: that's into the leverage of the man coverage defender, So

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Speaker 2: you're throwing it right into the defense. I have a

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Speaker 2: little bit more faith in Baker Mayfield too. Layer throws

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Speaker 2: into the middle of the field if they're open, because

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Speaker 2: he's a more experience and a better quarterback than Michael Pennock.

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Speaker 2: But it's still not an offense that really lives in

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Speaker 2: the middle of the field. Not totally wrong, They're not

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Speaker 2: totally wrong. I'll take it. Not totally wrong. I thought

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Speaker 2: that that's kind of how this game played out in

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Speaker 2: a lot of ways. Defensively. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: it over the next couple of hours. Here on Patriots

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Speaker 2: Catch twenty three. Evan Lazar, Alex Barth Alex behind the Glass.

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Speaker 2: I do want to say before we really get rolling here.

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Speaker 2: I know he's in there, behind there somewhere. Happy Belated

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Speaker 2: Veterans Day to all the troops, all those who served,

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Speaker 2: all those who are serving right now. To Marine, thank

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Speaker 2: you for your service. And Happy Veterans Day. Belated to

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Speaker 2: all you guys, and especially to our veteran over there

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Speaker 2: behind the glass and Marine, one of our favorites. So

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Speaker 2: Happy Veterans Day, Marine, hoorah. I hope you're feeling a

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Speaker 2: little bit more yourself today. I know a little hungover

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Speaker 2: yesterday for the Marine, which is totally fair. But anyways,

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Speaker 2: getting into football, I I'm not superstitious, Alex, but I'm

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Speaker 2: a little stiti and so I'm not going to come

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Speaker 2: on here today and start talking for just talking about

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Speaker 2: this just off the air a little bit. I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to come on here today and start talking about

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Speaker 2: Super Bowls and contenders and all this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that because I'm a little stitious.

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Speaker 2: All Right. The Patriots are rolling. They look like they're

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Speaker 2: a team to be reckoned with in the AFC Drake

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Speaker 2: may looks like an MVP caliber quarterback. I'm excited. I

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Speaker 2: am in I'm drinking the kool aid. But I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to go as far to say that I'm not

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Speaker 2: making any plans because I'm planning to be in Santa

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Speaker 2: Clara during Super Bowl Week. I'm not going there yet,

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Speaker 2: but it's really exciting to see what they're doing. And

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Speaker 2: I think the number one thing just from a big picture,

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Speaker 2: because we usually start big picture and then we'll go

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Speaker 2: a little pitic sure starting big picture, the number one

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Speaker 2: thing to me is just this vibe that is around

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Speaker 2: this team right now. This is the most what's the

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Speaker 2: word like? The vibe around this team right now is

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Speaker 2: the best I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Vibes are It's the best.

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Speaker 2: I've ever seen since we started covering the team in eighteen.

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Speaker 2: So we covered the team when they were winning. I

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Speaker 2: know a lot of people think, well, they're winning, Dug right,

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Speaker 2: the vibes are great. Twenty eighteen, we covered a Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl winning team and the vibes were not like this.

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Speaker 2: Twenty nineteen, they were eight nine to oh to begin

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Speaker 2: that season, and the vibes are not like this. Twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one They also won seven games in a row

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Speaker 2: with Mac Jones at quarterback in his rookie year. And

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Speaker 2: the vibes are not this good. I give a ton

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Speaker 2: of credit to Mike Rabel. I give a ton of

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Speaker 2: credit to the leadership and the captains and the leadership

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Speaker 2: committee on this team. They are bought in, They are focused.

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Speaker 2: They enjoy and celebrate each other's success. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 2: if they're catching one pass or they're catching ten. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter if they're the one getting the sack or

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Speaker 2: want to call it. They are. They're playing for each

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Speaker 2: But listening to some of the stories that are starting

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Speaker 1: Meetings for football are a lot like meetings.

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Speaker 2: Further, no, it's different. It's not like more like school,

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Speaker 1: You've never been in a work meeting and it's somebody

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Speaker 2: I think work meetings are more collaborative, like where like

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Speaker 2: This is like, this is their auditorium is literally like

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Speaker 2: there and he said to us yesterday and when I

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Speaker 2: he wanted to cut a Thursday meeting short by twenty

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Speaker 2: we want the meeting. He then said that Drake May

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Speaker 2: Drake May said that Mike Rabel offered to move practice

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Speaker 2: we need to get used to playing in the elements.

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Speaker 2: We want to be outside and practice outside. Like those

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Speaker 2: And it's the best vibes I've been around since I

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Speaker 1: It a'st that in a spreadsheet you just have just

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Speaker 1: I know, I was debating whether or not just say,

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Speaker 1: the coach, and that's the kind that that thing does matter.

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Speaker 1: I know some people like to think it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: It matters.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you also need to know what you're doing on

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Speaker 1: And and that's not just Rabel, that's the entire staff

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Speaker 1: That stuff makes a difference if you ultimately want to

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Speaker 1: it becomes sustainable. And even if it's not, you know,

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Speaker 2: Might just be there here, It might it might just

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Speaker 2: give him credit because that's like you're kind of laying

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Speaker 2: out like that's self created. That doesn't just come at it.

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Speaker 1: It's not easy. Not everybody can just walk into an

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Speaker 1: These are you know, guys that have been professionals for

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Speaker 1: like that and set the tone like that, especially this quickly.

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Speaker 2: Because he's in alpha he is an alpha male. Mike

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Speaker 2: Rabel is an alpha male personality.

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Speaker 1: And he he can back it up like.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's freaking huge. Of course he can back.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's not just that he's huge, Oh no, it's

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Speaker 1: part of it, it's part of it. But I think

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Speaker 1: there's an element of I don't know how much you

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Speaker 2: And I don't think about that because like Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he but but I mean that at a

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Speaker 1: But you know, hey, we want you guys to come

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Speaker 1: He's in here before everybody else like that sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: Like he's not He's set in the tone from the front,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he absolutely is.

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Speaker 1: And you know when he talks about being selfless, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's look, it's all of it is true.

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Speaker 2: All of the flowers that they're getting, all of the

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Speaker 2: we were covering this team over the last two to

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Speaker 2: and you know things that we were not good about

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Speaker 2: the culture around here. And Mike Rabel and really, what

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Speaker 2: ten months on the job, not even a full year

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Speaker 2: yet on the job, has done a complete one eight

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Speaker 2: on that. Now. I want to get into the football

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Speaker 2: because that's the most important part. But the football element

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Speaker 2: of it, let's start with the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do are we going to Tampa now? Or

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Speaker 1: is this still big picture? I don't know, combination okay,

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Speaker 1: because we I the other thing about like how you

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Speaker 1: The point being like, I think coming away from this game,

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Speaker 1: Kind does that make sense? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: We'll do that the byway. Yeah, we'll do that when

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm excited too.

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Speaker 1: Well, but I do think there's an element of, like,

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Speaker 1: You know there there could be some debate there you

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Speaker 1: want you won't stop. We did this, Why can't we

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Speaker 2: Because it's it's week eleven.

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Speaker 1: Like the Patriots have to keep winning. Nobody saying the

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Speaker 2: But it's not even just about that. It's just like

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: So you get you how if the playoffs started today,

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Speaker 1: No, let's say this is it's it's Look, I'm just

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Speaker 1: I'm giving you credit for being right.

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Speaker 2: Oars.

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Speaker 1: Currently the playoffs, then the bye, then the Raiders, who suck? Eagles, Chiefs, Cowboys, Texans, Broncos.

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Speaker 1: That's tough. Yeah, that's tough.

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Speaker 2: All right? Can we can we talk about real football

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Speaker 2: now and not talk about playoff seating in November twelfth?

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Speaker 1: It's going to be part of the conversation around this

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying. Let's just

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Speaker 2: let's just play the schedule out and let's see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Like trying to sit here and say who would you

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Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: That's not what i'm saying. I don't know yet. I'm

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Speaker 2: just saying because all these teams could change, like you know,

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Speaker 1: Nobody's denying that. I'm saying, it's it's fun to watch

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Speaker 2: Absolutely have you seen.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Let's talk about the games that have

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, let's do that. Let's talk about

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Speaker 2: like breaks like all sorts of rules of quarterback mechanics,

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00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 2: takes a huge hit in the pocket and could not

435
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 2: have thrown the ball better, like just an absolutely perfectly

436
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 2: placed pass. You know you have that one.

437
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:25,959
Speaker 1: You know, that throw reminded me of a little bit

438
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 1: and I've said this on a couple other shows. Twenty

439
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 1: sixteen Bradi of Malcolm Mitchell in San Francis a little

440
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 1: bit like the way he kind of perfectly gets it

441
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 1: over the defender's shoulder in a way that not only

442
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,119
Speaker 1: clears the defender but also perfectly sets the receiver up

443
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 1: to run after the catch. The angle like the angle

444
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,719
Speaker 1: that throws, because that Malcolm Mitchell thro alway stood out

445
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: to me. It's like the angle's weird. You watch it,

446
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 1: it's not entirely clear, like the first time you watch it, like, wait,

447
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 1: what how did he get that in there? Where's he going?

448
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 1: How did he run away? And then you see it

449
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: from that end zone angle and it explains a lot.

450
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 1: It reminded me of that throw.

451
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 2: Uh the obviously the bomb to Hollands, you fifty six

452
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 2: yards in the air in terms of air distance on

453
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 2: that throw, just an unbelievable throw. I've said this a

454
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 2: couple of times, Like Zion McCollum, I don't think that

455
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 2: he had horrible coverage on the play. I don't think

456
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 2: there was no chance. He thought there was no chance

457
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 2: that ball was going over his head. Like and if

458
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 2: you're a cornerback in the NFL. You know, you're he's

459
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 2: in his pedal, like he's backpedaling, back pedaling. He's looking

460
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 2: up at the ball and he's like this thing is

461
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 2: still going, like how far? Like he runs like thirty

462
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 2: yards back in a dead sprint with Mac Collins, and

463
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 2: the ball just kept going. And at some point, you know,

464
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 2: as a corner like you're gonna end up not being

465
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 2: able to drop fast enough. And he basically, Drake May

466
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: his ability to just outthrow the coverage is a rare trade.

467
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: Like that type of arm strength is is big rare,

468
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 2: Like you don't see that in the league very often,

469
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 2: that you just flat out outthrow NFL coverage like that

470
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily happened very often. The other throws, you know,

471
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 2: obviously the fifteen yard of the Hollins, I don't think

472
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 2: that you really draw it up to have the quarterback

473
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: holding the ball above his head with two hands on it,

474
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 2: trying to, you know, rip through a tackler that's trying

475
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: to sack him in the backfield. I think it was

476
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 2: Vita Vea, but he did it. He does it every

477
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 2: single week, staring down the blitz and throwing to pob

478
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 2: Douglas on that twenty six yard play was one of

479
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: my favorite plays of the game, just because of the

480
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 2: way it unfolded with the blitz coming right through the

481
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: middle of the field. Levante David just comes right through

482
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: center and he's just staring it down and just makes

483
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: a throw on time in rhythm onto our target. Probably

484
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,719
Speaker 2: should have been a touchdown. Bob Douglas got tripped up

485
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: by the dropping end, which you know, I thought was

486
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 2: you know, really could have been a touchdown. And then

487
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 2: the fourth down throw to Digs on the touchdown, I mean,

488
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: that's a that's a hard throw to make, that's not

489
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 2: a high percentage that Yeah, all of these things, you know,

490
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 2: you just see consistently with Drake May every single week

491
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: is incredible quarterback play. And I understand that he has

492
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: there are some and we'll get to him, like there

493
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 2: are some things in this game that he did that

494
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: was not so good, especially the interception, But they don't

495
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 2: win these games without these big time plays that Drake

496
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 2: May is making. And that to me, if you want

497
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 2: to talk about future and you want to talk about this,

498
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: I think, to me, the argument right now for Drake

499
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: May being the NFL as MVP is that he's doing

500
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 2: these things on a weekly basis where you can encapsulate

501
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: him putting the team on his back. And he's doing

502
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: it throwing no offense, but not throwing to Jackson Smith

503
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: and Jigba or Puka Nakua or behind running behind that

504
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: Colts offensive line. He's doing this with what most people

505
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: coming into this season thought was what a middling supporting cast.

506
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think with Diggs, I don't think

507
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: people gave gave the cast enough credit coming into the season.

508
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: I will say that, like, and I understand people are

509
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: maybe worry about where Diggs was at thirty one years

510
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: old coming off the torn ACL Diggs being the guy

511
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: he has changes a lot. It's not taking anything away

512
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: from Drake, but Diggs being the guy he has really

513
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: changes the way that.

514
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: Sure, but he's not That's not Jaya center Pukani.

515
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, fair enough.

516
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, those guys are on a different level. And that's

517
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: not a knock on Stefan Diggs. It's just where Diggs

518
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 2: is in his career right now to you know where

519
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 2: those guys are in their primes. It's just different. It's

520
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: just different. So Drake may just continues to just be outstanding.

521
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: I feel like, and you know I thought in this

522
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: game too, and you know, this might be a little

523
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 2: bit towards you know, the bad side of things, but

524
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: Todd Bowles, I thought, showed an ultimate sign of respect

525
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: for Drake May. You know, I'm really big on like

526
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 2: how do they defend the Patriots and how are teams

527
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: defending Drake May and looking at trends in terms of

528
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: coverage and pass rush and things like that. So Drake

529
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: May comes out in this game and Todd Bowles blitzes

530
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: him a couple times in the first half, and he

531
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: just rips him apart. You know, twelve yards per pass

532
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 2: attempt against the blitz huge plays, you know, when the

533
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: Bucks bringing pressure and so Bowles, who is a notorious blitzer.

534
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: You know, we talked all last week about the pressure

535
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: that the Bucks like to bring. Thirty five percent blitz rate.

536
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: They were only twenty seven percent blitz rate in this game,

537
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 2: so way below their seven season average. And they used

538
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: a lot of drop eight coverage in this game, where

539
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: they're dropping out seven guys and then a quarterback spy,

540
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: so they're really only rushing three pass rushers on the play.

541
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Speaker 2: For Todd Bowles to say, I am, You're too good

542
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 2: for me to blitz you, and so we have to

543
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 2: go Basically, that's like a fastball pitcher saying that I

544
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: need to throw only off speed stuff to this guy.

545
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 2: That's what that is. So he changed up. He threw

546
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: changeups at Drake May. Now they were pretty successful with it,

547
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: Tampa was, and that might be something that we can

548
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: talk about moving forward if teams trying to copy that formula,

549
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: but just to kind of spin it in a positive way.

550
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: I look at it and say, even Todd Bowles said,

551
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: we can't blitz this guy. And if Todd Bowles is

552
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: saying that and Todd Bowles is kind of changing his

553
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: stripes to game plan Drake May, that just tells you

554
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: about kind of the ascension that he has made. Because

555
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: you only do that against the great quarterbacks. No one's

556
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: like coming into a game against Dylan Gabriel and saying like, oh,

557
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: we can't blitz Dylan Gabriel, right, Like, we got to

558
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 2: do something different. So the fact that Todd Bowles did

559
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: something different in this game is just a real testament

560
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: to how far Drake May has come. Like that tells

561
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: me that he is being viewed by other coaching staffs

562
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: as an elite quarterback in the league right now.

563
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean we talk about the loot sometimes with

564
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: the Patriots spending other quarterbacks, that you take a team

565
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: out of their comfort zone, you force them to operate

566
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: the way they don't want to operate, and that in

567
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 1: itself is an advantage regardless of what they're doing. So

568
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: and I think he's earned it. I think he's absolutely

569
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: earned that.

570
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: Yep. The other thing that I wanted to talk about

571
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: here still kind of big picture, is still kind of

572
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 2: the goods here. I kind of see the method, you know,

573
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: moving over to the defense, I kind of see the

574
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: method of the madness here with the defense a little bit.

575
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: I get it. I wrote about this and after further

576
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,959
Speaker 2: re you watching their early down soft zones give up

577
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: ten yard outs and have it to look kind of

578
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: not competitive at times is frustrating, Like it looks too easy,

579
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: Like you want them to get up on the receivers.

580
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: You want them to take away that space and not

581
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: give up those yards underneath the coverage and all that

582
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: good stuff, because it just looks like easy money. And

583
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: I do have a tiny bit of fear that a

584
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: great quarterback maybe in the playoffs or something like that,

585
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: Herbert and Allen, you know, a Mahomes Well, just on

586
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: first and second down, they're not even gonna get to

587
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: third down because they're gonna just go right through them

588
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: on first and second down. But they're starting to limit

589
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: big plays. Over the last five weeks, they're seventh in

590
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: the league and you know, seventh best and big play

591
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: pass rate allowed. Yeah, they are fifth on third down,

592
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: and they're really good run defense. So when you start

593
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: to add those things up, you know, when you're not

594
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: giving up chunks, you're good on third down, you stop

595
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: the run. Like now, all of a sudden, you start

596
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: to see a formula there of how they're keeping teams

597
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: down in terms of scoring as well. You know, top

598
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: ten scoring defense too. So is it then don't break eat? Yeah? Absolutely,

599
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: Like there's definitely that element to it. Is it too

600
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: easy at times on early downs? Yeah, they're twenty fifth

601
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: in the league right now in pass EPA on early downs.

602
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: It's not great, but they're starting to kind of have

603
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: that formula and it's sort of like first and second down,

604
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 2: we're gonna you know, we're gonna back off, we're gonna

605
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: protect the house. Third down, let's party like, that's when

606
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: we're gonna draw up pressure. That's when we're gonna play

607
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: man coverage. We're gonna put Gonzo on their best receiver

608
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: and we're gonna play man to man and we're gonna

609
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: we're gonna come after you. So they've done a nice job,

610
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: and I think Vrabel and Zach Korrer have done a

611
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: nice job of like sticking to their guns on that

612
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: and not getting super aggressive on first and second down

613
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: and being impatient with it. So that's that's hard to do,

614
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: like when you're giving up, you know, little plays here

615
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: and there on first and second down all game long.

616
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: To kind of stick to your formula and not all

617
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: of a sudden start to get aggressive and get beat

618
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: over the time is hard to do. But they're doing

619
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: it right now. So I hear it like a lot

620
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: of the frustrations with the defense because I think I'm

621
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: sure you get it and your mentions every game too.

622
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: Whereas the man coverage, why are they playing so far

623
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: off the line of scrimmage? I think that there is

624
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: starting to be on both on film and in terms

625
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: of the numbers, they're starting to You're starting to see

626
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: it come to fruition. What exactly the vision of the

627
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: style of defenses that they're playing. Yeah.

628
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: The interesting factor to me in that is, and you

629
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: mentioned like against a better quarterback, is a better quarterback

630
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: going to take advantage. Baker's a pretty good quarterback. And

631
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: they kept that offense right relatively in check. I mean

632
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: that last drive they're just trying to make sure guys

633
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: are tackling bounds in the clocks running right.

634
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: We'll get to that last drive.

635
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: I thought, well, they played they played Josh Allen differently.

636
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: They played Josh Allen like like you just described third down.

637
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: They kind of played that way the entire game. So

638
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: maybe there is another game plan in there that we

639
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: just haven't a see because they've played Dylan Gabriel and

640
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: they you know, they've played some of these lesser quarterbacks

641
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: that they can go the other way if they need to,

642
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: but they're just not doing it when they don't need

643
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 1: to do it.

644
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I you know, I again, I just think

645
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: that there's a clear formula nowt They got to be

646
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: better in certain areas, and we'll get to that. But

647
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 2: I just think you can see a method here to

648
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: the madness of what some of these coverages that they're

649
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: playing on early downs, but there are they're playing about

650
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: seventy five percent zone coverage on first and second down.

651
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: They're giving up a lot of yards on first and

652
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: second down. But then you look up in the fourth

653
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: quarter and the point has seventeen points, right, And if

654
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: you do that consistently week in and week out, where

655
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, limit big plays, good on

656
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: third down, stop the run. And then you put that

657
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: and combine that with having Drake frickin' May on the

658
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: other side, you're gonna win a lot of football games.

659
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: Like that's gonna be a formula that's gonna lead to

660
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: a lot of wins. The other goods here Travon Henderson

661
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: and Kyle Williams just basically breaking their GPS trackers and

662
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: their pads was cool to see. So, you know, fifty

663
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: five yard touchdown, twenty two miles an hour on that

664
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: play for Travon Henderson, twenty one point seven to eight

665
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: for Kyle Williams on his touchdown, Another twenty one plus

666
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: miles per hour play by Henderson on the sixty nine

667
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: yard touchdown that the three fastest times in the NFL

668
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: by a ball carrier this week all New England Patriots.

669
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: Can't really remember the last time I could know it

670
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: seem as real speed. I can't really remember the last

671
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: time I said that two rookie skill players had games

672
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: like this as New England Patriots. So seeing both those

673
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: guys break out in the same game was pretty cool

674
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: to watch. Yeah, And I think it's an encapsulation of

675
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: what they are. Like, I don't think Kyle Williams is

676
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: not a guy who's gonna have six seven catches in

677
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: a game and be a volume guy and you're going

678
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: a pump the ball him, Like that's not his role.

679
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a guy that one to three catches

680
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: a game. But is it three catches for thirty yards

681
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: or is it three catches for ninety yards? Like that's

682
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: where you're looking at him to make an impact. He

683
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: only made one catch, but he made a massive impact.

684
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: Terrell Jennings the same thing. We've talked a lot about

685
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: this Dreel Jennings is not a volume player. Now, he

686
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: kind of had to be in this game because of injuries.

687
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: And some people have pointed to the game as a

688
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: whole and like, okay, well, outside of those two runs,

689
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: it's really three runs. He almost broke that other one.

690
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: But you know, outside of those three runs, he didn't

691
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: do much and there was one stretch there. I think

692
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: between the two long runs he had five carries for

693
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: zero total yards. But that's not He's not supposed to

694
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: be a bell cow. That's supposed to be Ramondrae, Stevensoner

695
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: Terrell Jennings because those guys are going to do better

696
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: picking up some of those dirty, you know, hidden yards,

697
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: and then when those guys body below the defense enough,

698
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: then Trevon Henderson comes in and breaks one or two

699
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: big runs. So it's not just both guys succeeded. You

700
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: saw them succeed in the rape mostly in the role again,

701
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: Hendersons was a little different kause the injuries, but you

702
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: saw them succeed basically in the role that I think

703
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: expect him to be in this year.

704
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. You know, Henderson or

705
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: excuse me, like Henderson had the two big runs, but

706
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: Williams basically that was his only target in the game.

707
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: Only catching the game was the seventy two yard touchdown,

708
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: and that's exactly what you're looking at for him. I

709
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: thought the combination of him and Matt Collins replacing Kyshawn

710
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 2: Boody couldn't vast for any more than that that, you know,

711
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: Matt Collins had six for one oh six and GeV

712
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: one for seventy two. Great production out of both those guys.

713
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: I it was a great day for the Patriots personnel department,

714
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: you know, their draft class last year. And I want

715
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: to get a little bit to Craig Woodson too, but

716
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: Campbell and Wilson both starting on the offensive line, both

717
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: skill players on Day two, have big games. Craig Woodson

718
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 2: has a big game. Andy Borgalis just continues to be automatic. Yeah,

719
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 2: Elijah Ponder on Tristan Wharf's first career sack. A good

720
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 2: day for the front office. Obviously, speed was a big

721
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: part of what they wanted to add this offseason, and

722
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: back came to fruition in a big game in a

723
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: big spot on the road. So I'm sure all those

724
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: guys are feeling pretty good about all that as well.

725
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: And speaking of the front office, another one that stands

726
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: out that we have to talk about, especially on this

727
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: show like this is right up our alley is Kiris Tonga.

728
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: Mister two way, well really three way and a special teams,

729
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: three way, three phase, just star role player at this point,

730
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I want to put role

731
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: player on it. He's just been dynamite, dynamite defensive tackle. Honestly,

732
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 2: one of the better. We were talking about this yesterday

733
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: in the locker room with Taylor Kyle's and the gang,

734
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: Like is he one of the better converted defensive players

735
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: to offensive players that are in terms of full backs

736
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: or lead blockers. He's one of the better ones that

737
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: I have seen do it. You know, I have to

738
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 2: go back a little wit. You know. We talked to

739
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: Landon Roberts, to Richard Seymour. Mike Rabel obviously was more

740
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: of a tight end than like a full back, but

741
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 2: of course Mike Rabel at times, Dan Cleco, I know,

742
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 2: we argued about Dan.

743
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why you think Dan Klecko was

744
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: like naturally a fullback. It's very weird.

745
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: I don't think he was naturally a fullback. I just

746
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: don't think he was like a full time player on

747
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: defense that turned the offense. That's what Kiris Tongka is doing.

748
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: Kyris Tonga has a full time role on defense and

749
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: is then moonlighting on offense. I think Dan Klecko was

750
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: kind of a guy that bounced back and forth and didn't.

751
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: Dan Cleco played defensive line and linebacker at Temple. Yeah,

752
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: he was a came here and started playing fullback.

753
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: I get that, but he didn't have a he it

754
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. This is something. The point is is that

755
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: Kiris Tonga. Now, the short yardage running wasn't great. Yeah

756
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: Edelman the other way, yeahs to shortyarded running in this

757
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: game wasn't exactly great. But they did have the fourth

758
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: down conversion early on in the game with him on

759
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: the field, and of course he goes you know, all boys,

760
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: I me ends on him on the sixty ninety.

761
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: The block he makes on the second one, Yeah, you

762
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: mentioned bowling pins like that's that's such an instinctive play

763
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: where he steals this guy off at the edge, but

764
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: does so kind of giving up his balance and he

765
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: knows he's going down, and what does he do. He

766
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: kind of spreads himself out and makes himself long and

767
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: he ends up taking out like three more defenders with

768
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: him as he's following. That's like a highly instinctive kind

769
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: of play for a guy that has not had a

770
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: ton of experience in that position kind of knew exactly

771
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: what to do. That's awesome.

772
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty incredible how naturally instinctive and how quick

773
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: he is to process as a blocker for a guy

774
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 2: that hasn't done it a ton. You know, there's a

775
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: lot of times where when the offensive line's blocking in

776
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: short yardage, usually it's not like a read and react

777
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: situation in terms of the front. They usually take gaps right.

778
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: So like when you see sometimes you know, especially the tackles,

779
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: they'll kind of dive forward into a gap and sometimes

780
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: it looks like they're blocking in and it looks kind

781
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: of ugly, But in reality, that's just the way that

782
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 2: the play is designed because it's gonna be a bang,

783
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: bang car crash, so you're not gonna have time to

784
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: get push by like sitting back in your set and

785
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: then like reading where the defensive lineman's going like you

786
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: would on a normal play. So they just shoot gaps, right,

787
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: They just cover gaps. They just block a gap, And

788
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: so as a full back or as a lead blocker,

789
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 2: your job is then to process or read like who

790
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: do I have to make? Right? So if Will Campbell

791
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 2: takes the outside gap, but the defensive lineman ends up

792
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 2: shooting the inside gap. Then I just got to take

793
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: that guy. I gotta take first color Like this play

794
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: might be designed for me to get to the second level,

795
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: but I have to help the offensive line there. And

796
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: his ability to kind of like replace the blocks on

797
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: the offensive line is not something that you It is

798
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: not something that comes naturally like that's that's a hard skill.

799
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: It's like a hard read. And the fact the fact

800
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 2: that he's able to do that so seamlessly is like

801
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: a huge testament to him. So he's been great in

802
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: this role. He's been great on defense as well. So

803
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: what a find Kiris Tonga is there? So another another

804
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 2: win for this personnel department. Just a fantastic signing. The

805
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: other fantastic signing that I thought, uh, you know, just

806
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: continues to be on a heater in this game. Will too. Actually, uh,

807
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: Milton Williams and calevon Chase on and you know I

808
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: talked about Milon Williams or talked about earlier, the vibes

809
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 2: and the buying and all that kind of stuff. When

810
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 2: your highest paid defensive player, which is Milton Williams at

811
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 2: the moment, when your highest paid defensive player is Fuld

812
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: tilt through the whistle on every single play when he

813
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 2: is a sidelined, a sideline player, when he is a

814
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: red hot motor guy. It like sets a tone for

815
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: the rest of the defense. The fact that Milton Williams

816
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: plays like this every single week, it just shows everybody

817
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: else around him, like I've got to do the same.

818
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: Like if he's doing it and he's making thirty million

819
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: dollars a year, then what's my excuse not to do it?

820
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,479
Speaker 2: And I talked to him about this after the game

821
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: and he said that that mentality, that motor, that full

822
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: tilt to the whistle, that is a non negotiable for

823
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: this defense. And he was frank about it and said,

824
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: if you're not doing it, we're taking your butt off

825
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: the field and we're gonna find somebody that will like

826
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: that is that's the way we're playing. And he encapsulates

827
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: that completely every single week. He fills up the stap sheet, pressures,

828
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: run stuffs, hustle plays. He is an awesome player to watch.

829
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: And then Chase on two six quarterback pressures in this

830
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: game led the team. I thought he was really good

831
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: in this game as well, relentless to on that sack.

832
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 2: Both those guys just continue to be on heaters. They've

833
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 2: both been great for basically all season at this point.

834
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's they've made a massive difference. And yeah,

835
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: all right.

836
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: A couple more defensive things and we'll move over to

837
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: the bats. I want to give some kudos to this

838
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: safety tandem. I feel like there was a lot of

839
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: concerns about Craig Woodson and Jalen Hawkins being the Patriots

840
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 2: starting safeties. Been really good. Greig Woodson, I think has

841
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: been really starting to come into his own. I had

842
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: him with like four you know, impactful splash plays in

843
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: this game. A great pass breakup, you know, coming from

844
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: the split safety zone and breaking up that pass to

845
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: and on third down. That was a huge play in

846
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: this game. It is third and three there and scoring

847
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: territory and he separates the you know, along with Gonzo,

848
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: they kind of converge on it and gets the ball out.

849
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: Had another pass breakup in the flat, and then that

850
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: play that Jalen Hawkins made on the fourth down where

851
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: Baker somehow got the ball out. I think it's to

852
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: Rashad White that was like a miracle, you know, in

853
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 2: the grass kind of flipped by Baker. Mayfe and Jalen

854
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 2: Hawkins is playing post safety in the middle of the field.

855
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 2: He comes from like fifteen twenty yards off the ball

856
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: and makes that tackle.

857
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: When it looked like the play was over, and I

858
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: mean he starts hustling. His other guys are kind of

859
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 1: celebrating yeah, or buck Skis are like, like the body

860
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: language of players on both sides was the play was over.

861
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. So if they if they don't have that play, like,

862
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: if he's not there, then obviously like there's nobody else there,

863
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: so like that might be a touchdown if Jalen Hawkins

864
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: doesn't come up and make that tackle. So for all

865
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: there's concerns about depth. You know, if either one of

866
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: these guys gets hurt, then they're in a bad spot

867
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: at safety. But the concerns coming in about those two

868
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 2: guys being your starting safeties. I don't have a ton

869
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: of concerns anymore about those two players. I think they've

870
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 2: been both really solid.

871
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: No, and it's it's another spot where they moved on

872
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: from veterans somewhat controversially. Obviously Peppers before the season and

873
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: then Duger a couple of weeks ago, and I don't know,

874
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: I know Hawkins. The first game of the year was

875
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: like weird where he had some big plays, but he

876
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: also made some big mistakes. And you're just kind of

877
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: everywhere good and bad. But how many times have we

878
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: sat here, Evan and been like, man, they could have

879
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: used Broll Peppers today, and they could have used Kyle Dougerty, Like,

880
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,959
Speaker 1: we really haven't done that. Now Again, if guys start

881
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: getting hurt, we may have that conversation regards to depth.

882
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: But those guys have stepped in and and made the

883
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: plays they need to make.

884
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, really quickly in the chat, I'm not on

885
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: my phone. This is my rundown is on the is

886
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 2: on my phone, Okay, okay, I am tied to tech sometimes.

887
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: Thank you for clarifying. Yeah, I want to show that's

888
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: a brave move to point your phone towards the camera.

889
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's a Google doc.

890
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: What's gonna they never know what? Notification?

891
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: What I'm married? Man, What do you think is going

892
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 2: to happen?

893
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 3: I don't know.

894
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: People are weird with this stuff.

895
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: Anyways, last one, last one on the goods, and then

896
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: I do want to talk about some of this other stuff.

897
00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: Uh.

898
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 2: I split this up into two different ones. Well, he's

899
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: on the goods and he's on the bat Yeah, Gonzo

900
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 2: in man coverage, good yesh, he's on the goods. Two

901
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: for five in man coverage in terms of you know,

902
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: catches to target's only twelve yards allowed. He allowed one

903
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 2: catch for eleven yards to Mecca Buca and man coverage.

904
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 2: Now to be fully transparent, his defensive pass interference was

905
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: man coverage. I love the call, but it is what

906
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: it is. I think that he's still one of the

907
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: best lockdown man cover corners in the league. We can

908
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: talk about some of the zone stuff and how the

909
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: teams are getting their best receivers away from Gonzo and

910
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: how the Patriots need to improve in that regard, but

911
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: when he goes Mono Imano against their best receiver, whether

912
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: it was Drake London last week or Jerry Judy the

913
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 2: week before, now Agbuca a couple third down coverage, you

914
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: know stops or forest in completions as well. I thought

915
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,959
Speaker 2: that in man coverage, Gonzo really good.

916
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: I feel like Christian and I don't know if you

917
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: want to use this to jump to the bad I

918
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 1: don't know if it's Gonzalez goes as the defense goes

919
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 1: or the defense goes as Gonzales goes. However you want

920
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: to structure that doesn't feel like he gets beat once?

921
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: Whatever the concept? Right, he gets beat once early in

922
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: the game, Gonzales sucks, don't better, and then he's just

923
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: like lights out the rest of it. And obviously you'd

924
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: rather not get beat the first play of the game

925
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: or the first time he gets you know, tested. But

926
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: is that just me that feels that way that like

927
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: I think.

928
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: To what it is and you know, let's just segue

929
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: to the bads here. Yeah, So when I talk about

930
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: the bads in these games, I want to be clear.

931
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 2: I am always looking at like, how could they lose

932
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: in the playoffs? Right Like at this point, it's like,

933
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: what is going to trip this team up? What's going

934
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: to cost his team a you know, a true run

935
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. And I do think there are some

936
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: areas as good as they are playing that are starting

937
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: to bubble up underneath the surface that they need to

938
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: get corrected. And one of them, and it's not just

939
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: Christian Zalz He's not the only one. But I understand,

940
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: and I said earlier, I understand the method of the

941
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: badness in terms of the off coverage stuff. That still

942
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you need to give like the first

943
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: like twelve yards for free. Like you can still be

944
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: a little bit tighter on some of these off coverage

945
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: zone you know, off man type of reps where at

946
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: this point, whether it's a hitch, whether it's a slant,

947
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 2: whether it's a comeback, whether it's a you know, out whatever,

948
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 2: like they're just give They're handing teams ten yard outs,

949
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: Like if you want to go down the field on

950
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: the Patriots on first down, just throwing like seven ten

951
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: yard outs. It's there, man, like they are giving it

952
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 2: to you. And at some point some team with some

953
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 2: good quarterback is going to sit there and say, yeah,

954
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: we'll be patient, like we'll just take I'll take this

955
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,240
Speaker 2: check down, I'll take this hitch, I'll take this out,

956
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: I'll take this you know o route over the ball

957
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: in between two zones, like I'll take this all day

958
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 2: long if you're gonna give this to me. So they

959
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: have to I think be a little bit more competitive

960
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: in those situations, and that I think is also you know,

961
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: part of the thing with Gonzo, like he gave up

962
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 2: I said, you know, two catches for twelve yards in

963
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 2: man to man. He gave up three catches for forty

964
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 2: nine yards in zone coverage, right, So the zone stuff

965
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: is a little bit murky. They're twenty fifth and early

966
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: down pass EPA because of their zone coverage and the

967
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: yards they're giving up in their zone coverages. So this

968
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 2: is something that isn't going to get them beat against

969
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 2: some of these lesser quarterbacks or Baker Mayfield without his

970
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: two best receivers. It's not going to get them beat

971
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: against Michael Pennix. It's not going to get them beat

972
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 2: against Dylan Gabriel, cam Ward Spencer Rattler. Will it get

973
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 2: them beat against Justin Herbert. We'll get them beat against

974
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, will get them beat against Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes.

975
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if I'm putting Bo Nix

976
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: or Daniel Jones in that conversation, but we'll get them

977
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: beat against those great quarterbacks that might So I think

978
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 2: some of the things you're kind of getting at are

979
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: similar to the things that I have concerns about. They've

980
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: got to be a little bit better in their early

981
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 2: down zones, and they got to be a little bit tighter.

982
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: I think sometimes on the outside. I get that they

983
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: don't want to give up any big plays over their head,

984
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean that you just give them the

985
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: first fifteen yards.

986
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: Well, and that's also where I go back to, like,

987
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: what are the chances that they play it differently against

988
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks? Like they didn't play this at least not

989
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: that regularly. They didn't play this way against Buffalo. Yeah,

990
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: and maybe it's just the way they're going to play

991
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: against certain quarterbacks.

992
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: Sure, other couple of things that just are kind of

993
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 2: starting to get on my radar. It's all most of

994
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 2: this in this part of the list's kind of defense.

995
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,959
Speaker 2: To be honest. Run defense last week basically the worst

996
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: run defense performance the year across the board, and this

997
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 2: was I know, you know, maybe I'm under selling Tucker

998
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: the running back for the Bucks a little bit.

999
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: I think he's like I liked him coming down in

1000
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: the draft and they got good depth. I know he's

1001
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: their third string running back. I don't think he'd be

1002
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: the third string everywhere. He's a good playing runs really hard.

1003
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: So this was their worst run defense performance by EPA

1004
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: success rate, yards per carry explosive runs. Like all across

1005
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 2: the board, they gave up a fifty seven percent success

1006
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 2: rate on the ground, which is astronomically high for them

1007
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: in my opinion. If that is Bijon Robinson or if

1008
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 2: that is Breise Hall tomorrow night, you know, Thursday night,

1009
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 2: those eighteen yard runs that Tucker was breaking off might

1010
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: become fifty yard runs against these great backs. So their

1011
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 2: run defense has been awesome all year. This could easily

1012
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 2: just be a one week blip in the radar here,

1013
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: but I think it kind of goes hand in hand

1014
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 2: with this next one. I have not seen the Christian

1015
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: Barmore that I'm used to seeing over the last couple

1016
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: of weeks, So I don't know if that is bumps

1017
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: and bruises catching up to him. I know he has

1018
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 2: this back thing. I don't know if it's that. I

1019
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: don't know if it's long season, late bye like they

1020
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: might just need some of these guys, whether it's you know,

1021
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: bar More, Landry Splane like these, some of these veteran

1022
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 2: players might just need the bye week in a bad

1023
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 2: way because they're just not especially Landry and Barmore. It's

1024
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: been two weeks for Barmore, it's really been since that

1025
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: ankle injury in New Orleans with Landry where I've seen

1026
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 2: those guys play to their potential and play to their ceiling.

1027
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they've talked about Vrabel's talk out and need

1028
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: to manage some of those veteran guys. So it's where

1029
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: the late bye week comes in. They're gonna have the

1030
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: mini bye this week, you know, and then what is

1031
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: it two weeks? It's it's this week Cincinnati and then

1032
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: the Giants and then the bye, right, yes, so, and

1033
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: even that Giants game will be a longer week because

1034
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: that's Monday night. So they got some rest coming up,

1035
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: and it's it's well earned.

1036
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: So just something that's a little bit on there on

1037
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: my radar. You know, Barmore and Landry. In this game,

1038
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 2: Barmore hasn't logged in. I know he was in and

1039
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 2: out of this game because of the injury, but he

1040
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: hasn't logged the quarterback pressure in two weeks and that's

1041
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,479
Speaker 2: just not normal. Christian Barmore. Like, I'm watching his film

1042
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 2: right now, and I'm like, this guy looks he looks compromised,

1043
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: like he looks like something is but like health wise

1044
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 2: is bothering?

1045
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: If just they're still doubling them?

1046
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 2: Sometimes they are, and I kind of chock that up

1047
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: to it last week, but now it's two weeks in

1048
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 2: a row that he's looked this way, so it's starting

1049
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: to be on my radar. Last thing on the bags

1050
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:47,919
Speaker 2: and then we'll get to the stuff that gets you beat.

1051
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: Only really one or two things there.

1052
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 4: But.

1053
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 2: It's driving me the coverage bus in the red zone

1054
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: or driving me nuts. It's every week. It's like three

1055
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 2: or four weeks in a row at this point. You know,

1056
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 2: fan in on his touchdown against Atlanta, it wasn't a touchdown,

1057
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 2: but they left Beijon Robinson wide open in the flat

1058
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 2: that led to a touchdown. And then this week of

1059
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 2: course Agbuca's first touchdown or only touchdown, but the first

1060
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: touchdown on the opening drive just wide open coverage bust.

1061
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 2: It's every single week they are busting a coverage in

1062
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: the high red zone, you know that area between the

1063
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: fifteen and twenty five yard line, every single week. So

1064
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: this has got to get cleaned up, like they've got

1065
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 2: to figure it out. It looks to me, you know,

1066
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 2: watching back this play from Sunday, in terms of the

1067
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 2: Igbuka touchdown, it looks like quarters uh and in quarters,

1068
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: like you're going to match verticals and quarters. So I

1069
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 2: think that Marcus Jones needed to carry Igbuka on that route, Like,

1070
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 2: I think.

1071
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 1: That's what I think he kind of slipped a little bit, right, Well.

1072
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: What happened was is, you know, so Gonzo is getting

1073
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: run off on that side of the field by the

1074
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: outside receiver and it's a little like delayed wheel. It's

1075
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 2: a nice route, it's a delayed wheel by Buco where

1076
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 2: he kind of just like lulls you to sleep and

1077
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 2: then he releases up the field. And I look at

1078
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: that one and say, you know, I think Marcus Jones

1079
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 2: should have carried a Buka on that play, whether or not,

1080
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if it was a muddied

1081
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: read or or you know, maybe he thought that Abuka

1082
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: was sitting because he did kind of sit to start.

1083
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 2: Maybe he slipped a little bit. I don't know what

1084
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 2: the case was. But this is every single week now

1085
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 2: that they're busting coverages in the red zone every single week. Uh,

1086
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 2: and it's it's got to stop. Like it's that's something

1087
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 2: that's absolutely got to be corrected so that those couple

1088
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: of things, like I don't think that giving up an

1089
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,479
Speaker 2: opening drive touchdown is a thing that gets you beat

1090
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 2: because you have three and a half quarters, let's call

1091
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 2: it to make up for it.

1092
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: So because they recover.

1093
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that that's on that level, but the

1094
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 2: red zone stuff is on that level of the busted coverage.

1095
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 2: A couple just quick things on the stuff that gets

1096
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 2: you beat. Don't think we need to blabor this point.

1097
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 2: The Drake may interception.

1098
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: Obviously, it's a interceptions.

1099
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 2: It happen.

1100
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: It just can't.

1101
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, trying to do too much, trying to

1102
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 2: be a hero, had him in structure. I felt like

1103
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 2: watching it on tape, I thought he had maccollins open

1104
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: within the play design. It was a little bluff screen,

1105
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 2: you know, fake the screen to Diggs, send maccollins, you know,

1106
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 2: vertically up the seam. I think if he just throws

1107
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 2: that high to the back of the end zone, it's

1108
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 2: a touchdown to mac collins. Doesn't throw it, doesn't like it.

1109
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 2: Winfield was kind of in the in the picture in

1110
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: the middle of the field as the as the single

1111
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: high safety. Didn't like it, pulled it down. What I

1112
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 2: was a little bit you know, small see concerned about.

1113
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 2: He said after the game he'd throw it again, and

1114
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 2: I get his mentality, Like I get what he's saying

1115
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 2: in terms of the good you know, he wants to

1116
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 2: be aggressive. Yeah, he wants to be a playmaker, and

1117
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 2: I want him to do that too, But it just

1118
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: depends on the situation of the game. Like in that situation,

1119
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 2: the Bucks were on the ropes. If you throw that

1120
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 2: ball into the tenth row and kick a field goal,

1121
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 2: it's an eight point game with like five minutes ago,

1122
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 2: or you know, with the wave, Rabel is like he

1123
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 2: might have just gone it go on fourth down. So

1124
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: you just don't need it, Like it didn't need you

1125
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: didn't need to try to force it in there. It is,

1126
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 2: the throw didn't need to happen. So that's on the

1127
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 2: stuff that gets you beat. And you know that is

1128
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: something that could have easily gotten them beat. Now the defense,

1129
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 2: to their credit, they stepped up right, but you can't

1130
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 2: have those types of picks from the quarterback.

1131
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: One other thing from this game we didn't mention. I

1132
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: don't know which category you want to put it in.

1133
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: I'd put it in the good clock management. I know

1134
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: it's not your favorite thing to talk about, necessarily, So

1135
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm interested in two things that the clock managed.

1136
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 2: Ye, there was one more thing that I wanted to

1137
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: bring up quickly about the stuff get gets.

1138
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: Hid some and they recovered, but they had some bad penalties.

1139
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, the penalties don't bother me as much.

1140
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: A yeah, I know they don't.

1141
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was. It was probably the

1142
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 2: red zone coverage bus because it's annoying the crap out

1143
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 2: of me.

1144
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: Uh what margaus Jones muffing the punt?

1145
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that wasn't great either. What what did you think

1146
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: of the clock management? Because we kind of talked about

1147
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: this on PE yesterday. I loved the end of the

1148
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 2: half id awesome. I thought that was awesome. Evan old

1149
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 2: school BELLICHICKI in masterstroke type stuff.

1150
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: Seven sixteen. They took seven sixteen off the clock. That is,

1151
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, I love my shortened game philosophy, right, that

1152
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: is shortening the freaking game. And they get going and

1153
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: I look at the clock and this tray has been

1154
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: going for a wow much times. I'm like, four minutes left.

1155
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: This isn't gonna be last drout of the quarter. There's no

1156
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: way they've already been going. And they keep going and

1157
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: to make Tampa burn the timeouts down there in the

1158
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: red zone, and you know, whatever you want to make

1159
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: of that first down play. Drake may said he was

1160
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: trying to get in. I don't know, but he was,

1161
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think the goal was to leave

1162
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: it for fourth down and literally leave the clock at zero.

1163
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: And if you look Trayvon Henders, I think it was

1164
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: the third down play. Travondon probably scores if Will Campbell

1165
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: doesn't get held. Yeah, but he gets held. He's an

1166
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: old somebody gets helt.

1167
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1168
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: But even if they score on second down. Huge difference

1169
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: giving the ball back to Baker Mayfield with one forty

1170
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: six left versus like a minute left. Yeah, it's a

1171
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: massive difference, especially with no timeout.

1172
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 2: So so it's one forty four left in the half

1173
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 2: when Drake may did the sneak, not sneak like. Yeah,

1174
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: So now take getting the ball back with under a minute, right,

1175
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 2: So that takes forty seconds off the playing clock. Uh

1176
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 2: So then at what they snapped the ball to Henderson

1177
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: play on second down with one oh three left.

1178
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's gonna be left by the time Henderson

1179
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: gets in and then the kickoff like that's gonna take

1180
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: another ten seconds off, right, So.

1181
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 2: You're looking at the difference of giving Baker the ball back. Well,

1182
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 2: let's call it one forty yeah, one thirty five. Maybe, uh,

1183
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 2: let's call it one thirty because by after the kick

1184
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 2: the KICKO, yeah, let's call it one thirty U versus

1185
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: like maybe forty five seconds. Huge difference, huge difference, agreed,

1186
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: huge difference. Not that I was surprised that. So you're

1187
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: my clock management expert on this show, Paul is the

1188
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 2: clock management expert on PU I was surprised.

1189
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: You should learn how this works. Yeah, I know you

1190
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: think the clock is irrelevant. I should learn how this.

1191
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 2: Is your this is your thing. I don't need to

1192
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 2: because you and Paul.

1193
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: I want to say that next time you get annoyed

1194
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: at me for not using analytics.

1195
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:23,479
Speaker 2: Okay, sure, I thought it was another kind of master stroke.

1196
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 2: I mean I really did.

1197
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: Running seven minutes off the clock is just like, forget

1198
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: how obviously managing it at the end of half is

1199
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: great and they need to catch by digs to ultimately

1200
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: get it in. But like, just on top of that,

1201
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: a seven minute drive, Yeah, that's a beast. That's one

1202
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: of their most impressive drives of the year. Fourteen play

1203
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: seventy eight yards seven to sixteen off the clock. That

1204
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: that's something that's like a college football kind of thing.

1205
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: You don't really take eight minutes off the clock in

1206
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: the NFL on a drive. That's pretty rare. And then

1207
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: at the end of the second half, obviously Trevion Henderson,

1208
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: they could have run it out. You know, there would

1209
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: have been a handful of seconds left. Uh, he kicked

1210
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: the field goal. You know, things can go right. The

1211
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: fact they go up two scores to me, you go

1212
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: up two scores with under two minutes ago, you should

1213
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: feel good about it. And then so.

1214
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 2: There's one forty three, just like you snap the ball

1215
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 2: at one forty three, Yeah, then there's a touchback, so

1216
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 2: no time comes off. So it'd be one thirty one

1217
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 2: that Baker snapped the ball on the bucks next final drive.

1218
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 2: So so with one thirty one, let's call it one

1219
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 2: thirty one. If the Patriot, if he.

1220
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: Goes down, if he's gonna go down at one thirty one,

1221
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna call time out there. So now it's first

1222
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: and ten, they can run it out.

1223
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 2: I think they can't run it out, but he would

1224
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 2: have to have like done that thing where you like, yeah,

1225
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 2: pedal like four yards and then kneel it like you couldn't.

1226
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: They couldn't just straight kneel on it. They would have

1227
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:47,479
Speaker 2: had to kind of like.

1228
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: If the touchdown puts them up eight or less, you

1229
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: go down. Yeah, if the touchdown puts them up eight

1230
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: or less, you go down, you know, making it a

1231
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: two score game. And I do we talked about the

1232
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: Top show. I do think there's that element of trey

1233
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: Van Henderson getting to have that moment and what that's

1234
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: going to mean for him going forward. I didn't have

1235
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: a huge problem with it, And part of what makes

1236
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: me feel better about it is Henderson knew to look

1237
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: and like knew that there was maybe it was a

1238
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: decision there and he's fast not which is great. Well,

1239
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: but the thing is, I think once it's not taking

1240
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: anything away. Once he rounds the corner, the Bucks are

1241
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: letting him score. I wonder what would have happened if

1242
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: he started jogging at like the twenty yeah, and if

1243
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: he could take another ten seconds off the clock because

1244
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: the Bucks are going to let him go in. But yeah, yeah,

1245
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: it's a goal. It's basically goalie defense, rightw You know,

1246
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: I would have liked to see them be a little

1247
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: more competitive on that drive after.

1248
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 2: So that was the other thing a hot night.

1249
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: Through butter and then a plus played by Stephan Diggs

1250
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: to recover that on sidekick and he took a shot. Yeah,

1251
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: and that's a thirty one year old All Pro made

1252
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: his money guy going out there taking that shot for

1253
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: the team. Good for him, man, good for him. And

1254
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: that's part of what makes this team special.

1255
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 2: Okay. So I'm glad that we brought up this sequence

1256
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 2: because it made me think of the last thing that

1257
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: I had on this stuff.

1258
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: Because he beat I forgot to write it down the

1259
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: Bucks last drive. Hated it.

1260
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 2: I absolutely hated it from a Patriots defense perspective, Like,

1261
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 2: you cannot give up a touchdown drive in less than

1262
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 2: a minute in that spot, you can't do it.

1263
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: You gotta lock down a little more.

1264
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: You have to at least make them earn it a

1265
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 2: little bit more than that. So they go thirteen yard

1266
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: like kind of check down to Rashad White. Then the

1267
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 2: twenty one yard or to Buka that really got them

1268
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 2: going again. Gonzo gives him like the first like twenty

1269
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: twenty five yards. I like he was in full prevent

1270
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 2: defense mode on that play. Gives up the twenty one yarder.

1271
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: I think was it that one. There was one. There

1272
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: was one on that drive where they let a guy

1273
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: get out of bounds and it's like, if you're gonna leak,

1274
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: give that up, you have to tackle them in bounce.

1275
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 2: If Sterling, Yeah, the Sterling Shepherd, one of either Tess

1276
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 2: or Sterling Shepherd is like an eleven yard or than

1277
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 2: a nine yarder. And then they give up the eleven

1278
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 2: yard touchdown to Sterling Shepherd. So they they were able

1279
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 2: to make it into a one score game again in

1280
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 2: fifty eight seconds the Patriots the first snap I just mentioned,

1281
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield snapped the ball with one thirty one left

1282
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 2: in the game, and they still would have not only

1283
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 2: did they score to make it a one score game,

1284
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 2: they still would have had like.

1285
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: A couple of plays for the on side kick.

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Speaker 2: At least thirty seconds yeah, to run offense, like if

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Speaker 2: they recovered the on side kick, because they would have

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Speaker 2: needed another touchdown. It was twenty eight, twenty three, five

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Speaker 2: point game. But Baker Drake may snapped the ball on

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Speaker 2: two seconds left, needing a touchdown. That's plenty of time

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Speaker 1: That was not at You got to keep guys in

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Speaker 1: bounds or play a little more aggressive there.

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Speaker 2: go to the phones. Uh Todd is in Gardner? What's up, Todd?

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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, I've got a quick request. I've been thinking

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Speaker 3: about all the rookies we've got and as I pu,

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Speaker 3: I was happy to see them get mentioned in you know,

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Speaker 3: after further review with you, because that just means they're contributing.

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Speaker 3: So I just like to give us a grade where

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Speaker 3: you think they are for mid term. I know you

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Speaker 3: might not have time, stakes do want to get the Jets.

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Speaker 3: My other quick comment is, don't freaking overlook the Jets

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01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,919
Speaker 3: because we're tired. It's a short week. We're really entered.

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Speaker 3: I'm a little worried after that. Hey, have a good

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Speaker 3: show and keep picking on bars. Don't let them get

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Speaker 2: Evan Okay, yeah, yeah, don't get what am I getting

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Speaker 2: away with? Yeah, I'm gonna keep picking on what what

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01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 2: am I getting away with? I don't know. We we

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Speaker 2: pick on each other equally I'm getting away with It's

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01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 2: like two brothers bickering at each other. Just is what

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Speaker 2: it is. Uh, don't see one of the Jets. I

1373
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 2: agree with that. Yeah, we'll get a little bit more

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Speaker 2: of a Jets preview here in a second. The rookie class,

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01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 2: so I think that they grade out pretty highly in

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01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 2: my mind right now now. I don't think that it's

1377
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 2: always been perfect, Like these guys have had some.

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01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: Rookie growin here to expectations.

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01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think Campbell has been exactly what

1380
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: I thought set in and forget it at left tackle.

1381
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 2: I mean, has it been perfect? Absolutely not. You know,

1382
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 2: I think there are things in this game too with

1383
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 2: him that on terms of stunts and things like that,

1384
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 2: that needs to improve, But it certainly hasn't held them

1385
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 2: back at all. Like starting left Yeah, their top ten

1386
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 2: scoring offense, top ten passing offense, top ten explosive play

1387
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 2: rate offense. Like if they had terrible left tackle play

1388
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 2: and terrible left guard play too. To put it with

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01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 2: Jared Wilson, I do not think that they would be

1390
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 2: up there in pretty much every passing category. It took

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01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 2: Travon Henderson a little bit to get going, Yeah, getting

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01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 2: going now, So I think that that's been a positive trend.

1393
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,799
Speaker 2: Kyle Williams the same thing behind a lot of veteran players,

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01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 2: so that that's part of it too with him. And

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Speaker 2: I'll say what I said at the beginning of the show,

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Speaker 2: Craig Woodson, I think has been fantastic. I really do.

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited about him. I think he flies to

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01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 2: the football. I think he plays with great play, speed

1399
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 2: and physicality. He's an effort and finished kind of guy.

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01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,799
Speaker 2: He can play multiple roles. He had a great coverage

1401
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 2: rep in this game where they motioned from like a

1402
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 2: three by one into two by two and they motioned

1403
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 2: a receiver from left to right and he was the

1404
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 2: post safety. Jalen Hawkins was down in the box when

1405
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 2: they motioned, they flipped Jalen Hawkins went back. Craig Woodson

1406
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 2: came down and stand played over the slot. They then

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01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 2: ran like kind of the same exact concept they ran

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01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 2: on ag Buka's touchdown, a sort of like a post

1409
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,560
Speaker 2: wheel type of concept and they're trying to hit a

1410
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 2: big play down the field and Craig Woodson carried the

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01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 2: wheel and was just there like he was just in

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Speaker 2: the right spot. Like he don't get a box score

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01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 2: stat because of that because he didn't get targeted or

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01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 2: anything like that, but just like a real heads up,

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01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 2: like good coverage rep by Craig Woodson. I thought that

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01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 2: it wasn't just the on ball production. He was really

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01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 2: good away from the ball too. Down the field and

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01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 2: coverage really excited about him, like he's a kind of

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01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 2: kudos to them. I was wrong about him, Like I

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01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 2: thought they overdrafted him and they didn't. I think they

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Speaker 2: they nailed that pick. So what would I rate the

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Speaker 2: whole rookie class.

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Speaker 1: Well, you forget I mean, Joshua Farmer's giving them some

1424
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: good snaps. Yeah, obviously the specialists. Borgalis and I haven't

1425
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 1: even talked about Borgallis has bounced back after rough first

1426
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Ashby's been excellent. Marcus Bryant is not

1427
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: allowed a single pressure, one hundred percent pass block win rate.

1428
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 2: Hasn't played well.

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01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: No, he has one passblock snap because they put him

1430
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 1: in a couple of those games that will blowouts. But no,

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01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: I mean they I mean that's tongue cheek. But even

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01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 1: though some of those step guys have been good. Yeah,

1433
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: I do think we will see Braden Swinton before the

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01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: year's over.

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01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:43,680
Speaker 3: I do.

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01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: I don't know that we'll see him a lot, but

1437
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: I do think we're gonna seem at some point before

1438
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: the year's over.

1439
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 2: I think so far, I maybe i'd give it like

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01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 2: a solid B plus, A minus, somewhere in that range. Yeah,

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01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 2: I was gonna say B plus, Like it hasn't been

1442
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 2: an absolute home run, but they've gotten contributors. They've gotten

1443
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 2: two starters, it looks like on the offensive line. Yeah,

1444
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 2: maybe Jared Wilson's a center next year long term, but yeah,

1445
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 2: it's hard.

1446
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: So something it's gonna come down to, like where does

1447
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: Jared Wilson end up long term?

1448
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 2: Right?

1449
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: You know, are they gonna have to Are they planning

1450
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: on Trevia on Henderson being a bellcow or is it

1451
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 1: going to be him and reminder Stevenson or him in

1452
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 1: another back Like we'll see with that in the big picture.

1453
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, i'd say b plus.

1454
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the other thing, you know, just quickly on

1455
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,759
Speaker 2: Craig Woodson too, because I'm just excited about Craig Woodson.

1456
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 2: He made a play in this game too that he

1457
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 2: was kind of targeted on where he was the post

1458
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 2: safety in the middle of the field, and they ran

1459
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 2: again like sort of like a wheel post on to

1460
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 2: the right of Baker's mayfield right, and he stayed glued

1461
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 2: to the post so that he could help Gonzo on

1462
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 2: the post, which is where he was supposed to be.

1463
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 2: And then Baker worked from the front side of the

1464
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 2: concept to the backside of the concept, and on the

1465
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 2: back side of the concept he had like a seam

1466
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,719
Speaker 2: route that should have been a huge play. Craig Woodson

1467
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 2: started on the post, stayed in the middle of the field,

1468
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 2: flipped his hips and like ran to the seam and

1469
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 2: squeezed the seam. It was like a great play. I

1470
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 2: was like, wow, now a great throw would have beaten him. Still, yeah,

1471
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 2: but it was one of those situations where he was

1472
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 2: enough in the area that it made it a harder

1473
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 2: play to make for the offense. And that to me

1474
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 2: was like, that was Devin mccordy esque, right, Like, that's

1475
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 2: like what you want from a single high safety is

1476
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 2: you know, stay on the front side of the concept,

1477
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,959
Speaker 2: take away the initial read when he comes back backside,

1478
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 2: can you go from one hatch to the other and

1479
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 2: recover to the backside And he did a great job

1480
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 2: of that on that play. I just thought this was

1481
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 2: I thought it has been a while now, like a

1482
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 2: couple weeks in a row where I feel like Craig

1483
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 2: Woodson's really starting to come into his own. Let's get

1484
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 2: back to the phones. Patty is an agua? What's up? Patty?

1485
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 3: Hey?

1486
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 7: What's going on?

1487
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 2: Guys? Eight? What's up?

1488
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 7: Not too much? So there's three things that I wanted

1489
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 7: to see happening in this game that I think the

1490
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 7: Patriots have been lacking all two of them definitely. The

1491
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 7: first one is I want to see some turnovers because

1492
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 7: if you look at like it's more specifically some picks,

1493
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 7: because our guys haven't got a lot of picks this

1494
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 7: year so far. I think Splaine leads leads the team

1495
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 7: with two so far. And this is a good game

1496
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 7: to do it because you know the Jets that they

1497
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 7: try to throw the ball, they're going to try, you know,

1498
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 7: they need to turn it over. Talk about the middle eights.

1499
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 7: One thing I haven't seen the last two games is

1500
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 7: when the second half, that's number two and number three

1501
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,640
Speaker 7: is keep feeding the rookies. You know, Booty's going to

1502
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 7: be back eventually, but while he's sidelined, you know, keep

1503
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 7: feeding Kyle Williams, rom Andre is going to be back eventually.

1504
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 7: Keep feeding, keep feeding, trade down. I want to see

1505
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 7: those guys not necessarily like with good stats at the

1506
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 7: end of the year, but like by the end of

1507
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 7: the year saying we got two really good friggin players

1508
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 7: in the second third round of the draft this year.

1509
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,719
Speaker 7: That's all I got. I'll talk to you guys, or Alex,

1510
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 7: I'll talk to you on Thursday if you do the

1511
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 7: pregame show later.

1512
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 2: Thanks Patt. I appreciate the call. So on the second

1513
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 2: half stuff. Yeah, we got a caller in yesterday that

1514
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 2: on PU that had all the numbers of like their score.

1515
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: First time third quarter points since the Bills game.

1516
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's been a while in the third quarter.

1517
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 2: The fourth quarter is scoring differential, I know, is not great.

1518
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 2: I kind of give them a pass on that because

1519
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 2: there's so many blowouts. Yeah, and so it's like against Carolina,

1520
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 2: against Tennessee, against Cleveland, they put that game away, So

1521
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 2: like if they needed to keep scoring in those games,

1522
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 2: I think they were able would have been able to

1523
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 2: keep scoring. Now last week and they only scored three

1524
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 2: points in the second half against Atlanta, and then this

1525
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 2: past week they kind of let the Bucks hang around

1526
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 2: a little bit in this game. Those are fair criticisms,

1527
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 2: and I think that their offense has not necessarily sustained

1528
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 2: through four quarters every single week, and you'd probably like

1529
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 2: to see more of like a complete sustainable offensive performance.

1530
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 2: And it's kind of why they flame out like in

1531
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 2: the high twenties every week, Like it's like, you know,

1532
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty eight points a game because they're

1533
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 2: not necessarily scoring a ton in the fourth quarter. So

1534
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 2: fair points on that one with Pat for Patty don

1535
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 2: is in Philly? What's up Don?

1536
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 8: Hey guys, how are we doing?

1537
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 1: Not bad?

1538
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 8: So I have two questions here the kind of build

1539
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 8: like some of the questions build off each other. But

1540
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 8: first of all, would you rather JFN or Gonzo? And

1541
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 8: I know Evan mentioned this a while back, and I

1542
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 8: don't want to speak for him because this isn't exactly

1543
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 8: what he said. But do you want to PRECFAE by

1544
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 8: saying I love Gonzo. I think he's a great player.

1545
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 8: I think he's one of the best, you know, lockdown

1546
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 8: corners in the league. But if he's not a brable

1547
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 8: guy and they don't want to pay him, you know,

1548
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 8: top market money, would you ever consider trading him like

1549
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 8: the Jets did with Sauce if it guaranteed, you know,

1550
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 8: a playmaker in a first or maybe two first And

1551
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 8: then secondly, how many wins do you think we need

1552
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 8: to win the AFC East and secure the number one seed?

1553
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 8: So you could do that separately, like how many wins

1554
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 8: do we just need to get the you know, to

1555
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 8: win the AFC East? And how many do you think

1556
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 8: we need to secure the one seat and have home

1557
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 8: field advantage in the buy take it offer?

1558
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 2: Thanks? For the call. Don So Jaysn versus Gonzo is

1559
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty two draft revisited. They could have drafted

1560
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 2: either one of those guys in twenty two. I think

1561
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 2: jays N was still on the board at that point.

1562
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's hard to sit here and say

1563
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:51,879
Speaker 2: that I'm upset that they took Gonzo. Like, obviously, Jayson's

1564
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 2: a fantastic players, probably a top five receiver in football.

1565
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 2: Gonzo's probably a top five corner in football. Like, I'd

1566
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,560
Speaker 2: probably give the edges a little bit to j s

1567
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 2: N because he's a receiver versus a corner. But like,

1568
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 2: I'm not mad that they took No, I'm not.

1569
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 1: And you go back and you look at what their

1570
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,639
Speaker 1: wide receiver development was at that time. Does he become

1571
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 1: that player if he's here? So no, I yeah, Kim Gonzales,

1572
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair.

1573
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 2: What was the other thing that, Oh, you're.

1574
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 1: Gonna hate this. How many wins to an AFC East

1575
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: and how many wins? Well, so here's the.

1576
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 2: Oh, before we get to that, he did to ask

1577
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 2: if we would trade Gonzo if they are not gonna

1578
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 2: extend him. So this is yeah, I mean, this is sauce,

1579
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 2: like Micah Parson's just had this happen to you, right,

1580
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I mean obviously if yeah, if you're if

1581
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 2: you're really far apart in contract negotiations and you get

1582
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 2: an offer of two first round picks and a player

1583
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 2: or something crazy for Christian Gonzales, then yeah you obviously.

1584
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't a guy like that walk, But I'd

1585
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 1: rather pay him cigarette good player and not they shouldn't

1586
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 1: be in the business and moving on from football per se. Yeah,

1587
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 1: all right, how many wins? So how many wins would

1588
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 1: take to win the AFCs. Let's do that first. So

1589
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 1: Buffalo plays a tough and probably angry Tampa team this week.

1590
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 1: If they lose that.

1591
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:14,719
Speaker 2: I did see that it is kind of a sneaky

1592
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 2: hard game for the Bills, but.

1593
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: The Bucks have always given them trouble. Yeah, you know,

1594
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:23,600
Speaker 1: they go to six and four, that's now essentially a

1595
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: three and a half game lead for the Patriots, to

1596
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 1: two and a half game lead, but they have the

1597
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: one in hand. They had to head right swides two

1598
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,639
Speaker 1: and a half, it would be two in the lost

1599
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 1: column and then you have the tiebreakers. So that's like

1600
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 1: kind of like they have. So if if you know,

1601
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: if Patriots take care of business against the Jets and

1602
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: Buffalo loses. So Buffalo's next four games the end of

1603
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 1: their schedule is brutal Tampa. Yeah, Houston has a great defense. Yeah,

1604
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: Davis Mills, what's up game? I'm sure CJ. Strove will

1605
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: be back? Yeahs Burg yep not. And that's in Pittsburgh,

1606
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: I think, right in Pittsburgh. And then the Bengals, whose

1607
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: defense is wretched, but they're gonna Burrow back. They're probably

1608
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 1: gonna have Burrow back.

1609
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 2: I think they have to have them back by then.

1610
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 2: I think that's that's the Seyboda window. And even if

1611
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:21,720
Speaker 2: they don't have Burrow, Joe Flacko's that's right.

1612
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: Joe Flack was hanging forty on. So that's four tough games,

1613
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,639
Speaker 1: and then you go come here to play the Pad.

1614
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 1: And then after that, I think, is the Eagles, right.

1615
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 2: The Eagles in week seventeen? Yeah, the Browns and the

1616
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 2: Jets sandwiched in between whatever.

1617
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: But like, you know, how many wins is it gonna

1618
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: take if even if they lose that game to Buffalo

1619
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 1: and it gets split.

1620
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 2: I think if they win twelve games, they win the division.

1621
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I was gonna say, does eleven

1622
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 1: wins get it done? I think twelve twelve death well

1623
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 1: does definitely, Because to get to twelve, they how many

1624
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: games they've left?

1625
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 2: Nine?

1626
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 1: Oh, no, I'm doing math. Nine have seven games, they

1627
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: have seven games left.

1628
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 2: They played ten. This is the easiest math pot.

1629
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 1: I forgot because about right, So they have seven games left.

1630
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: So to get to twelve wins, they'd have to go

1631
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: six and one. What they have seven games left, they

1632
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 1: have seven games left. They only need to win four

1633
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,839
Speaker 1: more games to get twelve wins. Buffalo, Oh, buff Buffalo

1634
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 1: would have to go give me that stretch a sorry, yeah,

1635
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 1: give I'm not that bad at that.

1636
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 2: Give that stretch again. I'm not that bad Bucks, Texans, Steelers, Bengals, Patriots, Brown's, Eagles, Jets.

1637
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: Can they go six and one in that?

1638
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 2: I mean they could, Like the Bills are really good teams.

1639
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like that's not an easy It's not gonna

1640
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 1: be easy, So it's not twelve I think definitely gets

1641
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 1: it to you. If they beat the Bills. Yeah, if

1642
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 1: the Patriots beat the Bills, here, eleven gets it done.

1643
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 1: I think so, I'm not you probably need another game somewhere.

1644
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 2: Earlier in the show. I I I told you I'm

1645
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 2: not stitious. I'm just a little stitious. So I didn't

1646
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 2: want to talk about all this, all right, I didn't

1647
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 2: want to talk about it. But he can get mad

1648
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 2: at me. I'm sorry.

1649
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 1: I just don't you know, well, if they lose to

1650
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: the Jets and Victors.

1651
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 2: Okay, uh. I did allow myself to think a little bit, Yeah,

1652
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 2: the Bills and fifteen.

1653
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: That game's that Probably that game's for the division.

1654
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 2: If the Bills kind of don't recover here, yeah, and

1655
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 2: they lose a couple more times before they play, they

1656
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 2: could that could be a hat and T shirt game

1657
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 2: that literally even if.

1658
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,799
Speaker 1: The Bills are good like that could maybe not literally

1659
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 1: hat and T shirt game, but.

1660
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 2: Let me ask it could more or less can like

1661
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 2: decide the division?

1662
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 1: Yes, but I think Pending made multiple major upsets, which

1663
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: can always happen. It's the NFL's National Football League. Can

1664
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 1: the Bills win the division without beating the Patriots here?

1665
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:33,600
Speaker 4: No?

1666
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 2: But I think that really like if you look at it,

1667
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 2: especially the way the Patriots schedule lines up here. You know, Jets, Bangels,

1668
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:44,600
Speaker 2: Giants where I gets twice the Bengals are hard I

1669
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 2: think harder maybe.

1670
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 1: Bengal is a sneaky trap game. You gotta go there,

1671
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 1: and Joe Flack has just playing their offense is good.

1672
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 1: You can't play that off coverage against that that team.

1673
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 2: So Jets, Bengals, Giants. Yeah, let's just say the good

1674
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 2: times keep rolling here for the Patriots if they're uh,

1675
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 2: you know, eleven and two going out coming off the bye,

1676
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 2: going into that Buffalo game here at Gillette, like, a

1677
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 2: are the Bills? Are they?

1678
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 4: Is it?

1679
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 2: Now? If they have a three game lead out of

1680
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 2: that with the tiebreakers, it's over.

1681
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 1: That is right? That could literally be ahead and t

1682
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,719
Speaker 1: shirt game. Yeah right and all Buffalo loss.

1683
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 2: That's happened, right, Yeah, it's not inconceivable.

1684
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: So I look at the rest of the Patriots schedule.

1685
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 1: I know you didn't want to get ahead of ourselves,

1686
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 1: but here we are.

1687
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 2: Yep. I did it to myself. It's fine.

1688
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: They have the Bills, yep, they have the Ravens, and

1689
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 1: again I think at the Bengals is a sneaky tough game.

1690
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 1: They should win it, but it's a sneaky tough game

1691
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: if they If they win one of those, you can't

1692
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 1: get swept. You can't get swept in those three because

1693
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 1: everything else is easy. You got the Giants, you get

1694
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 1: the Jets twice, you got the Dolphins, and I think

1695
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:49,759
Speaker 1: that's it, right, And ask anybody you can't get swept

1696
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 1: in those three. If you win one, all right, you're

1697
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 1: probably gonna be okay. If they can just take two

1698
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 1: of those three, they're golden. Yeah, they are in great shape.

1699
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 1: They just got to win two of those three against

1700
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 1: the Bills, the Ravens, and the Bengals. I think that

1701
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 1: the Ravens game is probably the toughest of those three.

1702
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if you'd agree with that or not.

1703
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 1: If you're a Patriots fan and there's not a part

1704
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 1: of you, no matter who they're putting on the field

1705
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 1: that's nervous going into Baltimore, you're kidding yourself. So I

1706
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 1: but yeah, Lamar, this is assuming Lamar plays, obviously, But

1707
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: I on this game left, I guess is what I'm asking.

1708
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 2: For the Bills, No, for the Patriots, Buffalo, Baltimore and Buffalo, which.

1709
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm asking what is the toughest. So I think it's Baltimore.

1710
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 2: I think it's sneaky Baltimore because I think Buffalo is

1711
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 2: gonna make the playoffs. I think they know it.

1712
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 1: Baltimore might need to keep winning, right, like they might

1713
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: need to really and it's there. Yeah you haven't. You know,

1714
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: they're a little more familiar with Josh Allen. When's the

1715
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 1: last time they played the Ravens be in a minute,

1716
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: probably that was it the game that Mac Jones busted

1717
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 1: his ankle and DeVante Parker like one hundred and eighty yards.

1718
01:23:55,640 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 2: Okay, so, uh, the I told you I wasn't gonna

1719
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 2: do playoff permutations and seeding and matchups. I will do

1720
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 2: division like. That's that's where you're okay.

1721
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 1: No, I mean that's very relevant.

1722
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 2: And winning the division. I think you know Mike Rabel

1723
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:16,759
Speaker 2: when he took the job in January, yeah said checkpoint

1724
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 2: number one, take advantage of bad football. I think they're

1725
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 2: well beyond taking advantage of bad football. Yes, checkpoint number two,

1726
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 2: win the division host home playoff games. I put those

1727
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 2: two together because if you win the division, you're gonna

1728
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 2: hont you automatically host a home playoff game. So win

1729
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 2: the division, host a home playoff game. That checkpoint is right.

1730
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: I'll give you one more sneaky important thing in this too. Yep,

1731
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: that loss to Miami is massive because of the division record.

1732
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 1: Yeah right, that's the second tiebreaker if the Bills come

1733
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: in here and win the head division record. Right, the

1734
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 1: Bills are now two and two in the division. Patriots

1735
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 1: are two and Oh they still have a bunch of

1736
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 1: division games left.

1737
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, that is right there, and I will

1738
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 2: also I will also allow for the Umber one seat,

1739
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 2: which I think is also right there for the taking.

1740
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 2: You know, it's gonna be a three years there.

1741
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot more going on there. But

1742
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 1: I think this year, like I said, by the way,

1743
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 1: the Patriots, Colts and Broncos and it feels like we're

1744
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 1: in high school again.

1745
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 2: This is great.

1746
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,759
Speaker 1: I will tell melcome back to twenty twelve.

1747
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 2: I probably I might eat my words on this eventually

1748
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:23,959
Speaker 2: in January, if the Patriots play the Colts or Broncos,

1749
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 2: I don't care where that game is. I'm taking the Patriots.

1750
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 2: I don't care.

1751
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: I have I don't care PTSD going to Denver and

1752
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: it's really I don't care if.

1753
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:35,759
Speaker 2: It's an Indie or Denver. I actually if it's in Indy,

1754
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 2: I really like the Patriots because it's a dome and

1755
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 2: Drake May is gonna throw for three hundred faking yards

1756
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 2: in that dome. I would take the Patriots. I do

1757
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 2: not trust the jon.

1758
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 1: From I don't want to get too ahead of myself. Yep,

1759
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 1: and here we are seventy five eighty five minutes later.

1760
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 1: The Patriots are going to blow doors against the Colts

1761
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:55,799
Speaker 1: on the road in the I don't.

1762
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 2: Trust that Colts team at all. I watched them in Germany.

1763
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 2: I know it's granted, it's a international game. Those are

1764
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 2: always tough. They pulled it out. I get that. Uh,

1765
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 2: you know how I feel about teams that are built

1766
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 2: with their run first. You know that I don't trust those.

1767
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 2: Uh kind of well, I just think the Broncos offense

1768
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 2: just kind of stinks.

1769
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 1: I I think I think the Colts are more real

1770
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 1: than the Broncos. The Colts, to me, there's something there,

1771
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 1: and you may not love the way they're building. I

1772
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 1: got what you're saying about the dome. They're saying that

1773
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: Jones will turn back into a pumpkin. So you you

1774
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: said earlier you don't think the Chargers could get it.

1775
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 1: It's even at seven and three. You wonder if the

1776
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 1: Chargers would get in.

1777
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:35,839
Speaker 2: I worry about that Chargers team. I do their offensive

1778
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 2: line is decimated, like Joe Halt and Rashaun Slater are now.

1779
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 2: They are either out for the season or Joe Alt

1780
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 2: is dealing with an high ankle. I think it is

1781
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 2: like that's never good. Uh, but I I just the

1782
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:52,680
Speaker 2: Colts specifically. I would love for the Patriots to play

1783
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 2: the Colts because I think that's a great I'm not

1784
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 2: saying just because I think the Patriots would win, Like,

1785
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 2: I actually just think that's a great football game. Would

1786
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor against defense this run defense, Drake May against

1787
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 2: lou Anaumo, Like that's a great matchup, you know, Josh

1788
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 2: versus lou two, Like that's a great football game on paper.

1789
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 2: I just really think just like Minnesota last year with

1790
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold, just like the Vikings a couple of years ago.

1791
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 2: I think it's twenty two right where they had like

1792
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 2: that flash in the pan season.

1793
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 1: I just look at the Giants the Daniel Jones breakout,

1794
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:28,000
Speaker 1: Like I.

1795
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 2: Just look at this cold team and I'm like, I

1796
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 2: think that they'll have the exact same season that the

1797
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 2: Vikings had last year. Great regular season, fun story wants

1798
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 2: it's time to play the big dogs in the playoffs.

1799
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones turns.

1800
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 1: Back into who's the best AFC?

1801
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 2: Right now? Yeah, I work for them. I don't know,

1802
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 2: I'll like that's it like they're ain't and two. I

1803
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:53,680
Speaker 2: mean like they have their tie for the best. And

1804
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this now, I don't think that they're

1805
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 2: based off of their resid may. Yeah, they're the best.

1806
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 1: Who's been the best team in the AFC through ten weeks?

1807
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 2: Right?

1808
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 1: That's different than what I'm asking is the best. I'm

1809
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:07,720
Speaker 1: not asking you he's gonna come out of the AFC.

1810
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 1: Who's been the best team in the AFC through ten weeks?

1811
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 1: You have power rank the AFC right now, Patrick Patrisone,

1812
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I can't believe I'm saying this. Yeah,

1813
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are a little bit of a sleeping giant

1814
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 1: at team maybe many And they go into Denver this

1815
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 1: week and we just talked about that Broncos seam being fraudulent,

1816
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 1: but like Denver's a tough places to play, It's a

1817
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 1: divisional game they go in.

1818
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 2: That's what it worries me about not getting the number

1819
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 2: one seed is that you could be the second overall

1820
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 2: seed in the comment and you have to play Kansas

1821
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 2: City and have to play Patrick Mahomes and wild card

1822
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 2: wak if they go in and blow doors against Denver,

1823
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 2: that's such a message to the league. That's such a

1824
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:46,600
Speaker 2: message to the league that like, hey, don't have to

1825
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 2: sit out of the Kansas City is in there two thousand,

1826
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 2: right now, they're in there, twenty eighteen Patriots era, right

1827
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 2: now they are.

1828
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 1: You're saying it's almost over.

1829
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 2: No, maybe, but I am also saying, well, it's almost

1830
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 2: over for you know, it's almost over for Kelsey, It's

1831
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 2: almost over for Chris Jones.

1832
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 1: Like they're how much long is Andy Reagan?

1833
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to turn over some of this roster

1834
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 2: around Mahomes even more than they already have. But Kansas

1835
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:13,679
Speaker 2: City in December and January, they'll turn it on. They'll

1836
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 2: they'll get into the playoffs and then anything can happen.

1837
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 1: Right now because of that, Trevor laur November twelfth, Yeah,

1838
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 1: I got to climb back in the rest of the

1839
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: season is not ending today. Who's the best team in

1840
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 1: the NFC.

1841
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 2: That's a tougher one.

1842
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 1: I I have a take it might be a little

1843
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 1: crazy and maybe I'm caught up in the moment. Yeah,

1844
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 1: probably is it Seattle they're playing like the best team rules.

1845
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 1: They're playing like they're kind of the NFC version of

1846
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 1: the Patriots right where I think that the NFC version

1847
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 1: of the Colts. But no, just what they're doing with

1848
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:49,839
Speaker 1: the deep ball, Like I know we're talking about Stafford,

1849
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 1: and I think Stafford and Drake may Or the two

1850
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 1: m VP favorites, right, Yeah, Darnald might need to be

1851
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 1: in that conversation.

1852
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Darnald's in the COMMO. I think it's

1853
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:01,679
Speaker 2: might need to be more than Stafford May Darnold, Jonathan Taylor,

1854
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 2: like Philly's lingering. There's something about that team that feels

1855
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 2: a little off to me that like isn't the same

1856
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 2: as the last couple of years.

1857
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 1: Detroit's been better after a slow start.

1858
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 4: You know.

1859
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 1: I like Tampa if they can get healthy. I guess

1860
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 1: the Rams are good, but I don't know. There's something

1861
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 1: about they're not just winning. They're like they've won some

1862
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 1: really intense close games. They've blown some teams out. They're

1863
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:26,560
Speaker 1: winning every which way again subject to change. I I

1864
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 1: I do like the Seattle team though, Okay, let's talk

1865
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:30,680
Speaker 1: a little bit. And I said that we're doing this

1866
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:33,640
Speaker 1: instead of draft order, right, you wanted this at the

1867
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:35,680
Speaker 1: beginning of the show. I gave it to you, all right,

1868
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 1: So there you go. Everybody can give me on Sunday.

1869
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 1: With all these great games you have the great Cup

1870
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 1: Montreal Aloette, I.

1871
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:46,599
Speaker 2: Haven't actually more relevant than that. I'll get to here

1872
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 2: in a second. Let's talk a little bit of Jets up.

1873
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:50,640
Speaker 1: Than that.

1874
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:54,680
Speaker 2: This one is down near the bottom of relevancy. I'm

1875
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 2: not gonna lie, but let's let's talk a little bit

1876
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 2: of Jets before we run out of time. So basically,

1877
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 2: this is one of those games, you know, just big picture,

1878
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 2: it's a sneaky, don't get beat by the schedule game,

1879
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 2: right you've played this will be your eleventh game in

1880
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 2: a row without a buye. It's a short week. You

1881
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 2: played on the road in a steamy, hot, rainy game

1882
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 2: down in Tampa. That was a tough game, physical game

1883
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 2: against a good team. Coming back on a short week,

1884
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 2: the Jets have a it's kind of like the interim

1885
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 2: head coach bump. Like you trading saw us getting Quinn Williams.

1886
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:31,759
Speaker 2: Everybody just assumes that they're gonna fall apart. They probably

1887
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 2: will eventually, but like for a short term bump. Sometimes

1888
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 2: that the power friendship comes together, and like who knows,

1889
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 2: like where those guys, good locker room guys, were they bad?

1890
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 2: Quinn Williams seemed really unhappy in New York for a while,

1891
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 2: Like you just don't know what exactly was going on

1892
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 2: behind the scenes that led to those trades. So for one,

1893
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 2: let's call it two to three weeks, I think you

1894
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 2: can get a little bit of a bump, well in

1895
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 2: a row, one, two in a row. So there's that

1896
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 2: whole angle. Like if you want to go like superficial

1897
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 2: power of friendship, you know, non tangible things, I would

1898
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,639
Speaker 2: say that that's you know, where we're at in terms

1899
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 2: of the way is that the Jets can actually beat you,

1900
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 2: like between the lines on Thursday Night. I think there's

1901
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:22,760
Speaker 2: a couple of things that stand out to me. Their

1902
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 2: run game. Their run game offensively is very explosive. It's

1903
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 2: not it's weird, like they're not very consistent. It's kind

1904
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 2: of like last week for the Patriots, where it's like

1905
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 2: two big runs often skew all their numbers. But Brees

1906
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 2: Hall is an explosive back. I think he's third in

1907
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:43,599
Speaker 2: the league right now an explosive run rate. They are

1908
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 2: as a team third in the league and an explosive

1909
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 2: run rate. I think he has the third most explosive runs.

1910
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:50,599
Speaker 2: It's only like behind like Taylor and one other guy.

1911
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 2: So he's a big play threat out of the backfield.

1912
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:57,760
Speaker 2: We obviously know what Justin Fields can do with the

1913
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:03,000
Speaker 2: design quarterback run that element of it. On a short week.

1914
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 2: It's a physical team up front with the Jets. They

1915
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 2: can hit big plays in the run game. They can

1916
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:11,639
Speaker 2: run it thirty three times and kind of control clock

1917
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:14,559
Speaker 2: like they did against Cleveland. And then you also it's

1918
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 2: hard on a short week to prepare for a non

1919
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 2: traditional run team like this is not a team that's

1920
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:25,040
Speaker 2: just gonna put the quarterback under center and turn around

1921
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 2: and hand the ball off. That's easy. Like you know

1922
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 2: what's coming at you. This is option. It's like he's

1923
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 2: gonna be in the gun. He's gonna have you read

1924
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 2: option plays. It's gonna be you know, tackle trap, it's

1925
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:37,759
Speaker 2: gonna be zone read, it's gonna be RPO, it's gonna

1926
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 2: be Justin Fields is trying to run all over this

1927
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 2: field tomorrow night. And back in twenty twenty two when

1928
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 2: Chicago came here with Justin Fields, we saw that it

1929
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 2: can be effective if you let it happen. So this

1930
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 2: is one of those games that's a little bit of

1931
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 2: a culture game from a short week perspective. But on

1932
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 2: the field, I think the biggest thing that stands out

1933
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:58,679
Speaker 2: to me about the Jets, other than the special teams,

1934
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 2: which we'll get to in a second, is can they

1935
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 2: come into this game and just justin fields goes twenty

1936
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 2: twenty two Chicago Bears and just runs all over the place.

1937
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you look at I mean, he had

1938
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:12,840
Speaker 1: some receivers in that Bears game that you had to,

1939
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:16,679
Speaker 1: you know, keep on you to be honest about. Yeah,

1940
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 1: with Garrett Wilson out their team leader, I forget which

1941
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 1: way it is, but the next closest guys to Garrett

1942
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:29,680
Speaker 1: Wilson among wide receivers, I think it's Tyler Johnson has

1943
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 1: the next most catches with eleven. Yeah, and Josh Reynolds

1944
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 1: has the next most yards of one hundred and eighty.

1945
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 1: I might have gotten that backwards, but eight in the

1946
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:39,680
Speaker 1: box kind of game, right, And they did. They did

1947
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 1: get ad Mitchell, who we both liked in the draft.

1948
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:43,639
Speaker 1: They didn't get him at the trade deadline, so that's

1949
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:47,439
Speaker 1: a factor. But yeah, we saw teams us to the

1950
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: Patriots in the early two thousands. You put one corner

1951
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 1: out there, you put one corner out there, you put

1952
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 1: one safety deep, and then you dare him to run

1953
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:57,920
Speaker 1: into the loaded box, or you dare him to try

1954
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 1: to take a shot with the with the black wide

1955
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 1: receiver Talwn they had. Now, Mason Taylor hasn't been bad,

1956
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 1: and we know they're struggle against tight ends. That's the

1957
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 1: guy worry about the pass game. You got to keep

1958
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 1: him on as he's a rookie, you got to keep

1959
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:10,679
Speaker 1: him on us. But I think you just load the box.

1960
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 1: If Justin Field's throwing the ball twenty twenty five times

1961
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:14,959
Speaker 1: in this game, you're in good position for the Patriots.

1962
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he only threw dropped back sixteen times, only

1963
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:20,599
Speaker 2: threw it eleven, he scrambled five times, or maybe there's

1964
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 2: a throwaway in there or something like that. But that's

1965
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:25,160
Speaker 2: the way they beat you. They beat you with thirty

1966
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:28,680
Speaker 2: five runs, you know, twenty five by Brisall five to

1967
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 2: ten by Justin Fields, and it's just everybody's just running

1968
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 2: all over the place. That's the formula for the Jets.

1969
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:37,600
Speaker 2: The other part of that formula for the Jets is

1970
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 2: obviously what they do on special teams. I think Mike

1971
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 2: Rabel called their return unit's sensational. Yes, yea, it is

1972
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 2: the word that he used. They had two special teams

1973
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 2: return touchdowns last week against the Browns, one kickoff one

1974
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 2: punt return touchdown. They're the number one team in the

1975
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 2: league in DVOA on special teams, the best special teams

1976
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 2: unit in football. So that's again and part of it, right,

1977
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 2: if you run ball well, you get a big return

1978
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:04,200
Speaker 2: or two, you flip the field a little bit, and

1979
01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, you have a ballgame on

1980
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 2: your hands. That's another angle of it. You're the special

1981
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 2: teams guys. So I'm sure you know plenty about the

1982
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:12,759
Speaker 2: Jets special teams.

1983
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's they have a couple of different ways.

1984
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 1: They can beat you with their fast that's the big thing.

1985
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:19,559
Speaker 1: They're fast. You really don't You're not going to chase

1986
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 1: him down. If they get through the initial line, you're

1987
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to run them down. So you

1988
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 1: got you got to be solid, you got to build

1989
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:25,639
Speaker 1: that wall.

1990
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:29,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, a good, really good special teams unit. Defensively, I

1991
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 2: wanted to talk a little bit about this from this

1992
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 2: Bucks game, and now we can kind of segue it

1993
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:36,800
Speaker 2: into this Jets game. So Jets play a lot of

1994
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:40,719
Speaker 2: man coverage. That's Aaron Glenn. He's an aggressive defensive coordinator,

1995
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 2: defensive mind. Now they play the sixth highest rate of

1996
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:46,639
Speaker 2: man coverage in the league. They played the highest rate

1997
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 2: of pressman coverage in the NFL, and that has not

1998
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 2: changed with or without Sas Gardner. You know, they've played

1999
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,920
Speaker 2: two games now because he didn't play the Bengals game.

2000
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:57,680
Speaker 2: He had a concussion sauce, so it's two games in

2001
01:36:57,760 --> 01:36:59,320
Speaker 2: a row now. They're still playing a ton of man

2002
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 2: to man. There are man to man defense. The Bucks

2003
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:06,599
Speaker 2: ran a lot of drop eight coverage against Drake May

2004
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 2: you know, three man rush, quarterback spy coverage behind it,

2005
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:14,000
Speaker 2: man to man. Usually it gave the Patriots some problems.

2006
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 2: They only had one successful play against it, and it

2007
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 2: was the circus play to Matt Collins was the only

2008
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 2: successful play the Patriots made against Drop eight. So does

2009
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 2: not usually Glenn's m O. He's usually a man blitz guy.

2010
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 2: He's gonna, you know, bring five guys blitz the quarterback.

2011
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:31,720
Speaker 2: You could do it that way too. You know, it's

2012
01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 2: always about gaps. So Yeah, there's six gaps on the

2013
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:37,639
Speaker 2: line of scrimage. If you put five rushers in five

2014
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:40,800
Speaker 2: of the six gaps in theory, then you can keep

2015
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:42,680
Speaker 2: him in the pocket. So you could do it that

2016
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 2: way playing man coverage behind it, or they could man

2017
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:48,560
Speaker 2: up and then put a spy on Drake May And

2018
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:51,840
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna see I'm interested to watch this game.

2019
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:56,760
Speaker 2: Is this sort of the blueprint that everybody goes after is,

2020
01:37:57,320 --> 01:38:01,439
Speaker 2: let's we can't blitz them because too good against the blitz.

2021
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 2: So instead of blitzing him, we're actually just not gonna

2022
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,439
Speaker 2: rush him. We're gonna just rush three guys. We're gonna

2023
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:09,479
Speaker 2: drop aight into coverage. One of them will probably be

2024
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 2: a spy, and we're just gonna make him sit there

2025
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 2: in the pocket and consistently make throws. I would have

2026
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 2: to venture to say that the Jets are gonna watch

2027
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 2: that Bucks tape and if they're worth their salt, defensively,

2028
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 2: that's what they're gonna try to do in this game.

2029
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you'd like to counter that with the run,

2030
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 1: but they're so banged up at running back. How's that

2031
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 1: gonna work? Yeah, maybe there's some more screens, some more

2032
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:34,360
Speaker 1: quick hitter stuff. In this game, RPOs get guys going

2033
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:35,439
Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage.

2034
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 2: The biggest thing with drop eight, I would say combination

2035
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 2: of you know, obviously you can run the ball, but

2036
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:46,320
Speaker 2: usually teams only play it on like obvious passing situations.

2037
01:38:46,479 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 1: Well they had was last week or the Falcons game

2038
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:51,200
Speaker 1: that they had the third and nine that they ran

2039
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:51,960
Speaker 1: for the first down.

2040
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:54,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could do that. Last week is toss play

2041
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 2: to Henders. It almost broke that one too. You could

2042
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 2: do that theory.

2043
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 1: I just liken't think they're afraid to do that.

2044
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 2: The spy in general, you know, against the Browns, they

2045
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 2: spied him a little bit. He threw a pick to

2046
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:08,639
Speaker 2: the spy.

2047
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Carson Sweschinger.

2048
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 2: Was spying him and he threw the ball right to him.

2049
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:15,679
Speaker 2: Last week, I thought the Bucks had some successful downs

2050
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:18,639
Speaker 2: of like three man rush plus spy on Drake May

2051
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 2: So I think that's gonna be it. Now, what how

2052
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:24,280
Speaker 2: do you counter that other than you know, the run game. Well,

2053
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 2: you got to remember that if they're dropping guys off

2054
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage into coverage, you have like outside

2055
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:34,120
Speaker 2: linebacker defensive end types that are now covering in space.

2056
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 2: So last week. You know, the Bucks were dropping Anthony

2057
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:41,200
Speaker 2: Nelson their defensive end. If you see ninety eight in coverage,

2058
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:44,960
Speaker 2: like that's a guy. Yeah, the guy's wearing a number

2059
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,639
Speaker 2: in the nineties and he's dropping in coverage, it's probably

2060
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:50,000
Speaker 2: a good idea to throw the ball at him.

2061
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:53,880
Speaker 1: So like that's forget Trey Flowers man in upon Bell

2062
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:54,559
Speaker 1: on third down.

2063
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like short zones, you know, picking apart the

2064
01:39:57,080 --> 01:40:00,200
Speaker 2: short zones and things like that can be helpful. You

2065
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 2: mentioned the running backs. I want to talk a little

2066
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 2: bit about that, and and tight end as well. With

2067
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:10,040
Speaker 2: Austin Hooper's concussion, who do you think plays? What do

2068
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:13,040
Speaker 2: you think they do? They're obviously gonna have Henderson, They'll

2069
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:15,719
Speaker 2: probably have de Ernest Johnson up from the practice squad,

2070
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 2: So then it's just a matter of can either Remondre

2071
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:20,520
Speaker 2: or Terrell Jennings.

2072
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:22,360
Speaker 1: Go in right, So if you can have one of

2073
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:25,840
Speaker 1: those guys go, you need three backs, especially against this team,

2074
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:28,840
Speaker 1: you need three backs. So if one of those guys

2075
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:31,640
Speaker 1: can go, then you have Steven Center. And they were

2076
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:34,679
Speaker 1: both limited yesterday. Trayvon Henderson's a full participant, they're both limited,

2077
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:37,720
Speaker 1: so they feel more fifty to fifty yep. You know,

2078
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 1: then I think maybe CJ. Dupree, and we've talked about

2079
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 1: him being a blocking tight end and he gives you

2080
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:44,880
Speaker 1: something else on the line of scrimmage. Now, maybe there's

2081
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:47,799
Speaker 1: also just some more of Jack west Over playing traditional

2082
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:49,840
Speaker 1: tight end, especially if Tom is going to take his

2083
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 1: job as full back. Where it gets complicated is if

2084
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:55,040
Speaker 1: both Jennings and Steven center out.

2085
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:57,120
Speaker 2: Right, they might have to ride with two running backs

2086
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:57,559
Speaker 2: for a game.

2087
01:40:58,200 --> 01:40:58,800
Speaker 3: Do you do that?

2088
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:01,400
Speaker 1: Do you call to running backs off the practice squad

2089
01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:02,519
Speaker 1: and ride with one tight end?

2090
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 2: Right?

2091
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:04,840
Speaker 1: Do they maybe make a move at the back of

2092
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:08,639
Speaker 1: the roster for this game where they signed somebody off

2093
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:09,519
Speaker 1: the practice squad.

2094
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:13,760
Speaker 2: They could sign Deeranis Johnson because he's going to be

2095
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:17,120
Speaker 2: out of elevations, so if they wanted to, they could

2096
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:19,560
Speaker 2: cut a player that hasn't been active. I don't know,

2097
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:22,680
Speaker 2: Eric Gregory kden Rawll is something like that, who is

2098
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:24,759
Speaker 2: probably going to make it back to the practice squad

2099
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:27,519
Speaker 2: once they clear waivers. So you could do that and

2100
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,439
Speaker 2: then like sign Deeranis Johnson to the fifty three man roster,

2101
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 2: and then you have you basically have created three practice

2102
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:34,880
Speaker 2: squad elevations by doing that.

2103
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:38,560
Speaker 1: That's if both those running backs can't go, Jennings and

2104
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:40,919
Speaker 1: Stevenson can't go, then it gets a little more complicated.

2105
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so running back, I think that that's possible. Tight

2106
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:47,559
Speaker 2: end I think is interesting. C. J. Dupree has been

2107
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:50,840
Speaker 2: here since training camp. He's been here all season. Is

2108
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:54,840
Speaker 2: an undrafted rookie signing. It's been here since May. So

2109
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 2: in theory, you would think that he has the edge

2110
01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 2: in terms of maybe getting elevated. They do have another

2111
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 2: practice squad tight any him.

2112
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:03,840
Speaker 1: No, they can't elevate. It's he's the international guy.

2113
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:06,559
Speaker 2: Okay, so they'd have to sign him to the roster. Yeah,

2114
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:09,880
Speaker 2: got it. Okay, so they can only out elevate dupre Uh.

2115
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:12,960
Speaker 2: He could be elevated. They could go six o line

2116
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:15,800
Speaker 2: in this game, like they could use Vederian low Er

2117
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 2: Marcus Bryan as an eligible tackle.

2118
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,240
Speaker 1: Well, they could do both, like you might. You know,

2119
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:22,920
Speaker 1: you might need dupre up just have the depth. I

2120
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 1: don't mind having Dupree up because he's a good blocker.

2121
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:27,320
Speaker 1: And if the one thing that you're going to miss

2122
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:29,920
Speaker 1: the most from Austin Hooper, it's his inline blocking, and

2123
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:32,200
Speaker 1: that's what Duprees also.

2124
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 2: Is that's his m O.

2125
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:35,200
Speaker 1: I've seen some people bring up, you know, do you

2126
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:38,160
Speaker 1: go essentially four wide receiver and use Mac Collins as

2127
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:39,759
Speaker 1: a tight end, which.

2128
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:41,880
Speaker 2: But if but if Booty doesn't, so I guess Kyle

2129
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 2: Williams would play right on the other.

2130
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:45,720
Speaker 1: But I think you can do that in some situations.

2131
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:47,719
Speaker 1: I think we maybe see a little more four wide receiver.

2132
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but.

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01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:54,360
Speaker 1: Also or you know, three wide receiver that's missing.

2134
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:59,439
Speaker 2: Is Matt Collins a better blocker than Hunter Henry?

2135
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:02,800
Speaker 1: So I meant it like four wide receivers probably a

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01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:05,839
Speaker 1: bad way to put it. You meant through eleven personnel

2137
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:09,760
Speaker 1: where it's kind of twelve personnel. Yeah, or if like

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01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:11,439
Speaker 1: somebody asks, like what if Henry gets hurt?

2139
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:11,640
Speaker 3: What do you do?

2140
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 1: But like there's all you don't want to take Mac

2141
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:16,240
Speaker 1: Collins out of his normal responsibilities too much because he's

2142
01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:17,600
Speaker 1: been good in those. So I do think you need

2143
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:20,679
Speaker 1: you just need another body at the position. And Duprez

2144
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:22,080
Speaker 1: pretty much the only guy that can do that.

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01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:26,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we have a lot of emails about you know,

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01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:31,880
Speaker 2: kind of resting guys and maybe you know, given some opportunities,

2147
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 2: some guys that haven't been active, you know, or Brandon Swinson.

2148
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:36,880
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people want to see him.

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01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:40,439
Speaker 2: I still think and you know, again, this is maybe

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01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:43,439
Speaker 2: my little stitious side coming out. Yeah, Like I don't like,

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01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:45,640
Speaker 2: let's not get cute, all right, Like this is a

2152
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 2: game that they should easily win. Is a bad Jets team,

2153
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 2: they should roll. Like I'm not saying play guys that

2154
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:55,439
Speaker 2: are hurt obviously, right, but if guys are healthy, then

2155
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:56,320
Speaker 2: like they should play.

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01:43:56,760 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 1: No, this is not Week eighteen. You've already locked up

2157
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:00,080
Speaker 1: a prece.

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01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:04,800
Speaker 2: Agreed, so that that's where all those things are at.

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01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 2: A couple of emails here before we wrap it up,

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01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:10,519
Speaker 2: we got five more minutes. This is an email from

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01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 2: Okay Anakin on Tato Wine. Nice joke. I like it

2162
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:19,559
Speaker 2: is Carlton Davis the most disappointing free agent pickup this season.

2163
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:22,360
Speaker 2: I want to make a judgment call, but it seems

2164
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:25,600
Speaker 2: like he's getting burned week after week, especially in the

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01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:28,360
Speaker 2: end zone. So I actually thought Carlton Davis was pretty

2166
01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:30,680
Speaker 2: good in this game. The touchdown that he gave up

2167
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:33,479
Speaker 2: was on an extended man coverage rep where Baker Mayfield

2168
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:37,800
Speaker 2: like five or six seconds, you know, and extends the

2169
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:41,040
Speaker 2: play outside the pocket that has two weeks in a

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01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:42,639
Speaker 2: row come up. You know, he gave up a twenty

2171
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:45,799
Speaker 2: five yarder to Drake London on an extended man coverage

2172
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:47,479
Speaker 2: rep so you could get on Carlton Davis. A lot

2173
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 2: of people getting on Carlton Davis. I come back to

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01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:52,120
Speaker 2: the same thing I said the other I think it

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01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 2: was last week with Carlton Davis. It all depends on

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01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:58,640
Speaker 2: what your expectations were of Carlton Davis coming in. If

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Speaker 2: you thought that they were getting too number one corners,

2178
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 2: then maybe it's our fault. Maybe we hyped up Carlton

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01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:08,439
Speaker 2: Davis a little bit too much. Maybe it's your fault

2180
01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:11,160
Speaker 2: for thinking that I'll take some of the responsibility. Maybe

2181
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:12,719
Speaker 2: it was us, Maybe we hyped it up a little

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01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:15,759
Speaker 2: bit too much. He is a really good number two corner,

2183
01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:18,120
Speaker 2: which is what he's being asked to do here. Number

2184
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:20,240
Speaker 2: two corners should not be expected to go out there

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01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:22,640
Speaker 2: and shut down their assignment.

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01:45:22,280 --> 01:45:24,920
Speaker 1: Everything, especially when you're opposite a guy like Gonzalez. I

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01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:26,920
Speaker 1: think people are annoyed with the volume and how much

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01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:30,800
Speaker 1: he's being targeted. It's because Gonzalez is on the other side. Yeah,

2189
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 1: and teams don't want to throw him. So, you know,

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01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:35,679
Speaker 1: I think he's been fine. He's definitely been a little

2191
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:37,880
Speaker 1: underwhelming compared to what I expected about that he's been

2192
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:38,599
Speaker 1: a bad player.

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01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:42,760
Speaker 2: No, I feel pretty okay about where he's He's been fine,

2194
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:44,880
Speaker 2: Like there's been some ups and downs, but I'm not,

2195
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 2: you know, totally mad about it. This is a question

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01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 2: from Caid. He asked, are you concerned about the fact

2197
01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:57,080
Speaker 2: that we have the Patriots have a negative DVOA despite

2198
01:45:57,120 --> 01:46:00,240
Speaker 2: being eaten too. So the DVOA, you know, obvious see

2199
01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:04,000
Speaker 2: Aaron Shatz's stat now, you know on FT and fantasy.

2200
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:07,720
Speaker 2: It's just like a catch all efficiency metric, kind of

2201
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 2: like your team's like war essentially like in baseball DVA.

2202
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 2: I like the stat. I've always liked the stat. I

2203
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:19,760
Speaker 2: particularly like the stat because it's schedule adjusted, so it's

2204
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:23,400
Speaker 2: opponent adjusted based off of who you've played. The Patriots,

2205
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:26,480
Speaker 2: I think, are in overall team DVA are like seventeenth

2206
01:46:26,840 --> 01:46:28,479
Speaker 2: right now or something like that, so the middle of

2207
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 2: the pack. They aren't great. This to me is probably

2208
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:35,679
Speaker 2: a product of DVA. I think they had a cupcake schedule,

2209
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:39,800
Speaker 2: so a lot of their impressive wins, like you know,

2210
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:45,280
Speaker 2: Carolina Tennessee Cleveland. They're not going to get huge bumps

2211
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:46,320
Speaker 2: out of those games.

2212
01:46:46,360 --> 01:46:49,080
Speaker 1: Their schedules not just easy, Like it's so much in

2213
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:51,719
Speaker 1: terms of strength to schedule in terms of opponent's record,

2214
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:53,880
Speaker 1: and I'm sure DVA takes an account more than that. Yeah,

2215
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:59,800
Speaker 1: it's like pretty far down compared to the next closest team.

2216
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:01,759
Speaker 1: That like just be a case of an analytic being broken.

2217
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,200
Speaker 1: I think, No, I'm not worried about the Patriots. I

2218
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:06,880
Speaker 1: did not know it was negative until right now.

2219
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I figured the only reason why I'm not

2220
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:13,320
Speaker 2: worried about it, and I'm not worried about any of

2221
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:16,479
Speaker 2: these things. Yeah, I was right seventeenth. Uh is Drake May?

2222
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:18,599
Speaker 1: Like what's Drake May's DV.

2223
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 2: If this was twenty twenty one and it was Mac

2224
01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 2: Jones with a good defense and propping it up and

2225
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:26,800
Speaker 2: he's kind of just a system quarterback, I would say

2226
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:29,240
Speaker 2: this is probably a little bit of a paper tiger.

2227
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:32,760
Speaker 2: The fact that you have an MVP quarterback pulling the

2228
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 2: trigger makes you feel a lot better about where they are.

2229
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:40,200
Speaker 2: I think it doesn't really do it, Like that's more

2230
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:44,400
Speaker 2: of a team efficiency metric. They have defense.

2231
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:49,519
Speaker 1: You know, what's the passing devo good like tenth or something.

2232
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 1: I would say, that's yeah, So d y A R

2233
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:57,320
Speaker 1: is like yards. We're doing replacement now great asking.

2234
01:47:57,280 --> 01:48:00,880
Speaker 2: That's that's a difference stat All right, here's the last

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01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:01,840
Speaker 2: one I wanted to get to.

2236
01:48:02,439 --> 01:48:05,000
Speaker 1: This is what I said, Uh, more relevant than the

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01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:06,040
Speaker 1: great who do you got? More?

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01:48:07,439 --> 01:48:07,479
Speaker 4: So?

2239
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 8: Uh?

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Speaker 2: This is from my former college roommate. Okay, he asks,

2241
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:16,240
Speaker 2: what is your score prediction for the Cordica Jug this

2242
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:19,760
Speaker 2: Saturday this week? So both Alex and I are proud

2243
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:22,680
Speaker 2: in the college alums and the cord Could Jug is

2244
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 2: Ithaca's big rivalry game. It's Ithaca versus Cornell. Called it Cortland,

2245
01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:32,479
Speaker 2: I said, Cornell Courtland, Ithaca versus Courtland, the Cordica Jug.

2246
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:35,880
Speaker 2: It called that game in fifteen, very like historically big

2247
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:39,559
Speaker 2: game in the D three college football landscape. I'm also

2248
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:41,280
Speaker 2: need them kid. I grew up in need h Them,

2249
01:48:41,320 --> 01:48:45,800
Speaker 2: So Needham Wellesley and Itha Cortland is like those are

2250
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:47,639
Speaker 2: two of the bigger, like small rivals.

2251
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:50,400
Speaker 1: They called Cordica the biggest little game in the nation.

2252
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:52,360
Speaker 1: That's that's the nickname for the rivalry.

2253
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:54,320
Speaker 2: So who do you have? Don't look it up? Don't

2254
01:48:54,360 --> 01:48:56,160
Speaker 2: look at like where they're at you this is.

2255
01:48:58,120 --> 01:49:00,439
Speaker 1: I was trying to find which year I I called

2256
01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:02,840
Speaker 1: the game. If you want to see still to this

2257
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:04,680
Speaker 1: day of the wildest ending I've ever seen a football game.

2258
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:07,400
Speaker 1: Look up twenty fourteen quarterca ending. You know I know

2259
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:09,680
Speaker 1: that is, to this day the wildest ending I've ever seen.

2260
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:17,200
Speaker 1: Shutout of any longo on the call, I'm gonna go, ah,

2261
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:20,120
Speaker 1: you're thinking about thinking about it. Yeah, I'm thinking whether

2262
01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:22,000
Speaker 1: or not I want to pick Courtland. I think pick Ireland.

2263
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:24,360
Speaker 2: I'm going I see all right, I'm gonna take Courtland.

2264
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:27,040
Speaker 2: I'm going to take the hometown team. I will never

2265
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:29,760
Speaker 2: forget fourteen. We don't have a ton of time here,

2266
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:35,439
Speaker 2: but twenty fourteen really quickly. H the opponent was lining

2267
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 2: up to kick a so.

2268
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 1: On the Olympics.

2269
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:38,480
Speaker 2: I was next your points.

2270
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:38,960
Speaker 1: I was right now.

2271
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:41,040
Speaker 2: Now we only have like ten second it Thick.

2272
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:42,840
Speaker 1: Is up by three. They kicked the ball off with

2273
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:43,880
Speaker 1: about a minute a half to go.

2274
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:46,200
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm talking about just the one play.

2275
01:49:46,439 --> 01:49:48,680
Speaker 1: Well, no Courtland comes down the field. They're setting up

2276
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:50,960
Speaker 1: to kick the game time field goal, seventeen seconds left,

2277
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:53,679
Speaker 1: no timeouts. Holder doesn't come on the field. Backup holder

2278
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:57,640
Speaker 1: runs on botches the snap, peels away from two defenders,

2279
01:49:57,880 --> 01:50:00,120
Speaker 1: hits the third string right tackle on the back one

2280
01:50:00,160 --> 01:50:01,679
Speaker 1: of the end zone for the game winning touchdown.

2281
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:04,160
Speaker 2: Game. Yeah, and you seen me in the replay right there.

2282
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:07,400
Speaker 2: Like a muffed extra point or a muff field goal

2283
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:10,840
Speaker 2: situation turns into a game winning touchdown. They also, I

2284
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:14,479
Speaker 2: think it was twenty fifteen, my graduation year, they gave

2285
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:16,800
Speaker 2: up like a hail Mary bomb to lose the game.

2286
01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:20,400
Speaker 1: No, that was the year before the crazy one. Those

2287
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:20,960
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen.

2288
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:22,880
Speaker 2: Okay, it was one of the years I was in college.

2289
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:25,000
Speaker 2: They've had. They had some big game.

2290
01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:26,720
Speaker 1: They were they were three years in a row, the

2291
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:28,439
Speaker 1: three years that I called the game, and then one

2292
01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:30,400
Speaker 1: year they lost on like a ridiculous safety.

2293
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:33,839
Speaker 2: All Right, we got to wrap it up. Patriots Unfiltered

2294
01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:37,360
Speaker 2: will be live in ten minutes. Rob Gronkowski, we didn't

2295
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:38,920
Speaker 2: get time to talk about this. I'm sure we'll talk

2296
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:41,880
Speaker 2: about it on PU signing a one day contract right

2297
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:43,400
Speaker 2: around twelve to fifteen.

2298
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:45,800
Speaker 1: To or a three favorite Gronk play, one headed catch

2299
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:47,760
Speaker 1: against Denver touchdown super Bowl forty nine.

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01:50:47,800 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 2: There you go, So Gronk twelve to fifteen Patriots Unfiltered

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01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:55,000
Speaker 2: at noon. I'm sure we'll carry the Gronk Presser live.

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01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:56,679
Speaker 2: That should be a fun one and we'll see you guys.

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01:50:56,720 --> 01:51:01,679
Speaker 1: Then. Hey, this is Alex.

2304
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:02,920
Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning into the show.

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01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:04,759
Speaker 1: If you really want to help us, make sure.

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01:51:04,640 --> 01:51:07,320
Speaker 4: You like us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you

2307
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:08,360
Speaker 4: get your podcasts.

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01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:10,519
Speaker 1: Also, make sure you follow us on the New.

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01:51:10,479 --> 01:51:13,360
Speaker 5: England Patriots YouTube channel to see this show and everything

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01:51:13,400 --> 01:51:14,839
Speaker 5: else we do here at the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot,