WEBVTT - A New Low-Key Climate Czar for a New Climate Policy Era

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a new cook and the Biden Administration's climate

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<v Speaker 1>policy kitchen. His name is Ali Zad, and we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about him and about whether this kitchen has a

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<v Speaker 1>few too many cooks. Stay tuned, Hello, and welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>once again to Parts Pavilion, the environmental podcast from Bloomberg Law.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, David Schultz. So, in my opinion, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the more tired cliches and government these days is

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<v Speaker 1>the czar. The way it usually goes, there's an issue

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of urgency behind it, and the president

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<v Speaker 1>appoints one person to oversee all actions on that issue.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the drugs are, the covids are. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>those with even a passing familiarity with Russian history will

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<v Speaker 1>know that calling someone a czar really isn't, really shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be a compliment. But with all that being said, we

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<v Speaker 1>have a new climate czar in this country. His name

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<v Speaker 1>is Ali Zad, and his official title, as of about

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<v Speaker 1>a month ago is White House National Climate Advisor. If

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't heard of Zadi, you probably have heard of

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<v Speaker 1>his predecessor in this role, former EP administrator Gina McCarthy.

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<v Speaker 1>She now she'd be stepping down shortly after the passage

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<v Speaker 1>of the Inflation Reduction Act and it's billions in funding

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<v Speaker 1>for climate projects, and know that timing was not a coincidence.

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<v Speaker 1>To learn more about why McCarthy stepped down, why Zad

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<v Speaker 1>is taking your place, and what exactly it is he'll

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<v Speaker 1>be doing, I bring up Bloomberg Law Reporter and parts

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<v Speaker 1>for a billion regular Stephen Lee. He said, Dad was

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<v Speaker 1>chosen as a post legislation leader, not a pre legislation leader.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll get into what that means in a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>But first I as Stephen to tell me WHO'SE. A.

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<v Speaker 1>D actually is? Okay, So Alex A. D Is. He's

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<v Speaker 1>one of these DC people that you sometimes meet who's

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<v Speaker 1>just has kind of a glittering resume. He's um. He

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<v Speaker 1>went to Harvard and Georgetown. He has a law degree.

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<v Speaker 1>He at a pretty young age went to work in

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<v Speaker 1>the Obama administration. He was a pretty high ranking aid

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<v Speaker 1>to Stephen Chew at Energy and he was also the

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<v Speaker 1>energy guy at omb under President Obama. He is the

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<v Speaker 1>former Chairman of Climate Policy in New York State, so

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<v Speaker 1>he was leading that state's efforts on clean energy. He's

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<v Speaker 1>also a former adjunct professor at Stanford, and he's worked

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<v Speaker 1>at a couple of white shoe law firms, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>been at part of the White House's climate team since

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<v Speaker 1>Biden got started. So he's done a lot, especially for

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<v Speaker 1>a young guy. So he's a real insider, real government insider.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think you drew a nice contrast um in

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<v Speaker 1>your story between him and his predecessor, Gena McCarthy, who

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<v Speaker 1>was the head of the e p A of course,

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<v Speaker 1>and she, you know, was very used to being out

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<v Speaker 1>in the public going, you know, talking to the media.

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<v Speaker 1>Um kind of mixing it up. It sounds like he's

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<v Speaker 1>more of someone who is more comfortable behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that fair to fair characterization? Yeah, I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's fair to say that Gina McCarthy, as we

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<v Speaker 1>all know, I mean, she had this huge personality and

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<v Speaker 1>she was very charismatic, and you know, in the climate world,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a superstar. Everyone knows Gena McCarthy. And what we've

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<v Speaker 1>heard is that that was really important during the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of first two years of Biden. You needed to have

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<v Speaker 1>someone who could be a really effective salesperson, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>selling the Biden climate agenda and rallying support and getting

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<v Speaker 1>people excited and getting voters excited, and getting folks on

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<v Speaker 1>Capitol Hill excited, just building support for the for the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of ideas that that we're coming out of the

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<v Speaker 1>White House. And and now that the Infrastructure Bill and

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<v Speaker 1>the Climate Bill have passed, we're now moving into the

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<v Speaker 1>implement implementation stage. And so what you want is someone

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<v Speaker 1>who is a real technocrat, someone who has very deep

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<v Speaker 1>experience with the technology and with the policy and with

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<v Speaker 1>the economy. It's not that Gina McCarthy isn't also skilled

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<v Speaker 1>in those areas, but I think people seem to feel

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<v Speaker 1>as though Ali's ad is a guy whose skills just

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<v Speaker 1>match up really very well with the task at hand. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I should also say that, you know, there is a

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<v Speaker 1>part of being the White House climates are that I

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<v Speaker 1>think is a it's a political job, it's a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a sales job. And and Za has been out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he makes a lot of appearances, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, got his his own powers of persuasion. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't want to make him seem like

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, a shrinking violet, like he's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a pretty uh sort of dynamic, powerful guy in

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<v Speaker 1>his own right. Yeah, I think he's I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>been pretty effective at making the sales pitch, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think the White House is um that they seem to

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<v Speaker 1>be pretty satisfied with the job that he's doing there. Um, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about not the job that he has done,

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<v Speaker 1>but the job that he will be doing now as

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<v Speaker 1>the new climates are as you mentioned, he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be responsible for implementing a lot of the climate provisions

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<v Speaker 1>that were in the I R. A. Um, what are

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<v Speaker 1>some of the traps that he could fall into and

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<v Speaker 1>what are the states here for him? I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>really two challenges here. One is just the sheer size

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<v Speaker 1>of both the Climate bill and the Infrastructure bill. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the Climate bill has three billion dollars. There's billions more

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<v Speaker 1>in the infrastructure bill. So we're talking about roads and

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<v Speaker 1>bridges and renewable power all across the country. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>hard to keep track of all that money. It's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that it's all spent, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>way it's supposed to be spent, and and and to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that every project goes smoothly. We know that

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<v Speaker 1>there are Republican lawmakers who are going to be watching

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<v Speaker 1>very closely, you know, looking for the next Cylindra that

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<v Speaker 1>they can make up political hay out of right, And

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's remind our listeners what that was. That was

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<v Speaker 1>a solar energy company that went belly up and was very,

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<v Speaker 1>very controversial in the Obama administration. That's exactly right. And

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats have made the argument that you know, when you

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<v Speaker 1>are funding all these different projects, some of them they

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<v Speaker 1>don't you know, pan out in the way that you

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<v Speaker 1>expect or that they expect, and that's just part of

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<v Speaker 1>the bargain, right, Like, not everything is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a home run. So so that is a challenge. So frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's impossible. I would think that there's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be some hiccups here and there when there's

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of money going out the door. Well, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems it seems like he has he has to

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<v Speaker 1>balance two priorities that are basically incompatible with each other.

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<v Speaker 1>He has to get the money out quickly, but he

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<v Speaker 1>also has to make sure that it's spent correctly. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you can totally accomplish both of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>The getting it out quickly is the second challenge that

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<v Speaker 1>I think he faces. You know we we This is

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<v Speaker 1>where we run into issues of permitting investment supply chains.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, can you get all the materials and the

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<v Speaker 1>workers you know, in the right place at the right time.

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<v Speaker 1>It has to be you know, made in America and um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we run into this political challenge too, because

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<v Speaker 1>he's got to get all these states to play ball,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not going to be easy in in in

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<v Speaker 1>some parts of the country that fundamentally opposed the Biden agenda. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a great point. Let's talk about another potential obstacle

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<v Speaker 1>for zad Um, which is that there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of other officials in the Biden administration who have a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of this. Uh and I made some notes here.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have John Kerry, a pretty big name, who

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<v Speaker 1>is the Special Envoy for Climate. You also have John Podesta,

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<v Speaker 1>who was hired around the same time as a d

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<v Speaker 1>who is a senior clean energy advisor. He's of course

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<v Speaker 1>been a very very large figure within the Democratic Party

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time. Oh and let's not forget Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan and Jennifer Granholm, UH, cabinet secretaries at the e

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<v Speaker 1>p A and d OE respectively. You know how much

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<v Speaker 1>authority does z d really have given that these other

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<v Speaker 1>big names are also you know, have their have their

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<v Speaker 1>fingers in the pipe, so to speak. Well, here's what

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<v Speaker 1>we know. So John Kerry is the international guy. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so pretty clear division of labor there. He's the guy

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<v Speaker 1>that goes to these u N events and that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing UM Reagan and Grandholm you mentioned, uh, primarily

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<v Speaker 1>regulators and rule writers z D. We imagine is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be playing a sort of a coordinating role, so

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<v Speaker 1>bringing together all of the agencies convening in our agency

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<v Speaker 1>working groups UM and and And he also has a

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<v Speaker 1>direct line to the President, so he's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>influential in shaping top down policy on a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of things like land conservation and public health and environmental justice,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course economic growth and green jobs. So when

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<v Speaker 1>you hear a Biden talking about that kind of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a pretty good chance it'll either have come from

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<v Speaker 1>or being vetted by Ali's eight. So I see him

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<v Speaker 1>as more of a sort of top down type of person.

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<v Speaker 1>I see. Maybe it's just that what was tripping me

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<v Speaker 1>up is the title, you know, climates Are, which is

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<v Speaker 1>of course not his official title. That's just an informal

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<v Speaker 1>you know nickname. When I think of his are, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think of someone with kind of absolute authority, and

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like, you know, climate coordinator, climate wrangler. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it would be maybe a more appropriate title than

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<v Speaker 1>climates are. You know, this is where Republican lawmakers um

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<v Speaker 1>start to push back because they don't like the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of czars either, and they want to know who's in charge,

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<v Speaker 1>who's calling the shots, who's responsible for what? You've got

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<v Speaker 1>all these different people, um, you know, how how many

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<v Speaker 1>different decision makers do we need to have? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously it's a huge job that affects the entire economy,

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<v Speaker 1>but there is definitely this sense among Republicans that there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of unelected bureaucrats running around making all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of important decisions that affect people's lives in a very

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<v Speaker 1>tangable way, and who's doing what. Yeah. In fact, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad you brought that up because you actually quoted Senator

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<v Speaker 1>Shelley Moore, capital of West Virginia, you know, who's a

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<v Speaker 1>big critic of the Biden administration's environmental policy, and she

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<v Speaker 1>said that she said exactly what you just said, but

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<v Speaker 1>added on she thinks this is on purpose. She thinks

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<v Speaker 1>that the Biden administration is bringing on all of these

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<v Speaker 1>sort of bureaucrats as a way to obvious skate what

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually doing. Can you talk a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>about that. Do you think that that is a valid

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<v Speaker 1>criticism that Senator Capital is leveling. It's a criticism that

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<v Speaker 1>she's been making for a long time. So I've not

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<v Speaker 1>heard any criticism really of Ali's ad as a person. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's clearly a pretty legit guy. I think

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<v Speaker 1>everyone sees that, and he's also so new in the

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<v Speaker 1>job and not a whole lot is known about him.

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<v Speaker 1>But as you say, there is definitely skepticism about, as

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans like to say, unelected bureaucrats and this question of,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, should these decisions be more transparent and should

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<v Speaker 1>they you know, go through Congress. Obviously it depends on

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<v Speaker 1>the issue that we're talking about, but they have made

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<v Speaker 1>this argument repeatedly as a way of kind of undermining

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<v Speaker 1>all these actions that Biden has been undertaking. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>then finally, you know, speaking of the sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>response from the right side of the aisle um, you

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<v Speaker 1>also quoted somebody in your story who is a conservative,

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Flint, who was pretty happy about this, who who

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<v Speaker 1>was glad that uh, you know, zd was was promoted

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<v Speaker 1>to this position. Can you talk about him and the

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<v Speaker 1>viewpoint that he represents. You know, I think there is

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<v Speaker 1>a view among kind of Democrats and centrists and certainly

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<v Speaker 1>at the White House, that we do need to build

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<v Speaker 1>stuff quickly if we're going to reach these climate goals

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<v Speaker 1>that the President has set out. There is definitely a

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<v Speaker 1>need to go faster and to build stuff faster. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why you hear the President saying that we need

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<v Speaker 1>to reform the permitting process. I mean, it's interesting, it

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<v Speaker 1>will be interesting to see how the administration, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>handles this issue because there are there are lots of

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<v Speaker 1>places where the desire to get stuff built quickly and

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<v Speaker 1>the desire to protect the environment they don't really match

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<v Speaker 1>up perfectly. And so it just seems like that's a

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<v Speaker 1>really good that's a tough one for the White House. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's where someone like Flint comes in. He's, uh

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<v Speaker 1>leads a group that's pushing for a carbon tax or

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<v Speaker 1>for some sort of market based solution to climate change,

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<v Speaker 1>and it sounds like he's happy um, that z D

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<v Speaker 1>is in there because he thinks that, you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>would be someone who might be able to, if not

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<v Speaker 1>get it that done, then get the government a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit closer to that, right, Do I have that right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And and that's also that was a big part of

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<v Speaker 1>the Climate Bill. A lot of that stuff is tax incentives.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's see if we can, you know, create incentives

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<v Speaker 1>for the private industry to do this stuff. And if

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<v Speaker 1>we can get to that place, then maybe there doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>need to be as much federal intervention, our federal investment.

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<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, that's that's that's definitely something that I

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<v Speaker 1>think the White House is hoping takes hold and and

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<v Speaker 1>and takes off. Alright, strange bedfellows, as they say. That

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<v Speaker 1>was Stephen Lee, reporter with Bloomberg Laws, speaking about Ali's eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, Steven, Thanks David, and now I'll

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<v Speaker 1>do it for today's episode of Parts Brivilion. If you

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<v Speaker 1>David B. Schultz if you want to talk to me

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<v Speaker 1>about anything. Today's episode of Parts for Billion was produced

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<v Speaker 1>by myself, David Schultz. Parts of Really was created by

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica Combs and Rachel Dagle and is edited by Zach

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<v Speaker 1>Sherwood and Chuck Percutcheon. Our executive producer is Josh Block.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks everyone for listening. An individual's race should not be

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