Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, this is Robert Evans and welcome once again too.
Speaker 1: It could happen here a podcast where we're talking about
Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, things are kind of falling apart,
Speaker 1: and we try to arm you with information to help
Speaker 1: deal with that. Um As I'm sure most of you
Speaker 1: are aware, one of the big news pieces that happened
Speaker 1: just about two days ago when as I'm recording this,
Speaker 1: is that the state of Texas finally rammed through a
Speaker 1: massive abortion restriction that essentially kind of their their goal
Speaker 1: and they've so far been successful. Inness was kind of
Speaker 1: looping around Roe v. Wade by essentially deputizing regular Texans
Speaker 1: to uh get ten dollar bounties on their their fellow
Speaker 1: citizens by reporting people who get abortions after six weeks um,
Speaker 1: in addition to kind of shutting down an illegal avenue
Speaker 1: to do that. So the Supreme Court has so far
Speaker 1: punted on taking any action on that, and it's it's
Speaker 1: a pretty desperate situation. There's now rumblings that Florida is
Speaker 1: going to try to do the same thing, and as
Speaker 1: a result, there's never been a more um important time
Speaker 1: to talk about the subject of today's episode, which is
Speaker 1: self managed abortion UM. And in order to talk about that,
Speaker 1: because I'm certainly no expert, we've got Susan Yano, who
Speaker 1: was a co founder of Women Help Women UH and
Speaker 1: Self Managed Abortion Safe and Supported UM. Susan, thank you
Speaker 1: very much for coming on the show and talking with
Speaker 1: me today. Sure, it's nice to be here. And UM.
Speaker 1: Maybe a place to start is to talk about what
Speaker 1: self managed abortion is. Yeah, because one of the things
Speaker 1: that is shocking, even though abortion pills have been allowed
Speaker 1: by the FDA in this country since two thousand, lots
Speaker 1: of people don't know that there are pills that essentially
Speaker 1: cause a miscarriage. They have been available in clinics since
Speaker 1: the year two thousand, but even more importantly, they've been
Speaker 1: available out side the clinics since the nineteen eighties, and
Speaker 1: people in other countries have been using them on their
Speaker 1: own safely and effectively, and increasingly over the last decade,
Speaker 1: people in this country have been using these exact same
Speaker 1: pills UM safely and effectively on their own. So I
Speaker 1: just want to be clear because people when they hear
Speaker 1: the words self managed abortion might flash on unsafe methods
Speaker 1: like sharp objects or herbs, which can be safe but
Speaker 1: can be unsafe but haven't really been scientifically documented. These
Speaker 1: pills have been studied more than almost any other medicine
Speaker 1: on the planet. And so we know from science that
Speaker 1: misaprostal with or without methoprista, that's the names of the
Speaker 1: pills UM causing a safe abortion. And you know, I
Speaker 1: was listening to an interview with you earlier today and
Speaker 1: you brought up something that I was unaware of, which
Speaker 1: is that these medicines kind of got their start being
Speaker 1: used for self managed abortion in Latin America, where abortion
Speaker 1: is legal, abortion at least is in many places just
Speaker 1: not available. UM and women it was this it was
Speaker 1: initially an ulcer drug. Am I remembering that correct. Misa
Speaker 1: Prostel was originally registered for ulcers. And it was women
Speaker 1: in Brazil who noticed that right on the pill container
Speaker 1: it said do not use if you're pregnant, could cause
Speaker 1: undine contractions. And as in every country in the world
Speaker 1: for generations, if people don't want to be pregnant, they
Speaker 1: try to figure out a way to add that pregnancy,
Speaker 1: regardless of the law. So women started experimenting with taking
Speaker 1: misa prostal. Ultimately, the World Health Organization has studied these
Speaker 1: pills and come up with the most recommended protocols, which
Speaker 1: people can find on our website abortion pill info dot
Speaker 1: org or in many many places in the Internet if
Speaker 1: they google the words and Lisa Prostal and abortion and
Speaker 1: you're you're going to sation doesn't provide the pills, but
Speaker 1: you do provide people information on how right the idea
Speaker 1: of sunds because there are restriction there are some legal
Speaker 1: risks in people in these pills on there on, even
Speaker 1: before this draccone in law in Texas which tries to
Speaker 1: criminalize everybody, um, but it is legal to share information
Speaker 1: that's published in scientific journals and by the world's health organization.
Speaker 1: So on the website abortion pill infot dot org are
Speaker 1: the protocols for how to use mice acrosto alone or
Speaker 1: in combination with metho christo, because it is a little
Speaker 1: more effective with when combined with methochristo, but the metho
Speaker 1: cristo is harder to get to get. And I you know,
Speaker 1: people I think are often frightened about just the idea
Speaker 1: of self managed abortion, in part because when people talk
Speaker 1: about the bad old days before Roe v. Wade, they're
Speaker 1: talking about something that I think people would think about
Speaker 1: when they hear self managed abortion, if they're not aware
Speaker 1: of kind of what it actually is. But one of
Speaker 1: the points you make that I think is so valid
Speaker 1: is that just a in its own like if you
Speaker 1: do nothing about pregnancies self terminate on their own, and
Speaker 1: this is what the pills are doing. It's nothing different
Speaker 1: than what happens if you just kind of have an
Speaker 1: embryo stop. Exactly. The pills caused the unse to contract
Speaker 1: and push out whatever is in there. Um. I think
Speaker 1: it's I think you raise a really important issue because
Speaker 1: there's two things. One is these abortion pills have been
Speaker 1: so tightly regulated and controlled by our medical um institutions
Speaker 1: that people aren't as familiar with them as they could
Speaker 1: and should be. I mean, these pills are so safe
Speaker 1: that they could be in people's medicine cabinets. Um. But
Speaker 1: in this country, sexuality is really restricted. We should have
Speaker 1: over the counter birth control pills that biled. So the
Speaker 1: first thing is I think is just to demystify these
Speaker 1: pills and to say that they're safe and effective. But
Speaker 1: the other is the stigma around abortion. Yeah, the anti
Speaker 1: abortion people have worked really hard to make people ashamed
Speaker 1: about their sexuality and ashamed about a pregnancy that they
Speaker 1: didn't want, as if people can do it all by
Speaker 1: themselves without somebody else being involved. And so this burden
Speaker 1: on women is they don't even they're so shamed that
Speaker 1: they have a lot of fear and stigma around, um,
Speaker 1: trying to get an abortion, even outside of Texas. But
Speaker 1: then you compound it with this fear that has been
Speaker 1: raised by the anti abortion people, all this misinformation, Oh
Speaker 1: these pills aren't saying, oh they could cause breast cancer,
Speaker 1: Oh they can impair future fertility, all of which has
Speaker 1: been debunked and is not true. But as we all know,
Speaker 1: misinformation has a long shelf life, a longer shelf life
Speaker 1: than the truth in a lot of cases. Exactly, I
Speaker 1: wanna talk a little bit about just kind of the
Speaker 1: facts about how this stuff functions. So particularly from IM
Speaker 1: we have a lot of listeners in Texas. I'm sure
Speaker 1: a decent number of the people listening right now are
Speaker 1: are very rightfully concerned. The present law essentially criminalizes uh
Speaker 1: medical abortion after six weeks um at what's how how
Speaker 1: late through do these pills work? Um? And then the
Speaker 1: second question I have is obviously a lot of women
Speaker 1: who get pregnant, don't realize they're pregnant for until after
Speaker 1: six weeks. It can take a while. So what options.
Speaker 1: I know you have some options to recommend for tracking
Speaker 1: uh that that that that are helpful as well an app.
Speaker 1: So the first thing I just want to say is UM,
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know how to calculate the
Speaker 1: number of days of pregnancy, and they hear this term
Speaker 1: l MP last menstrual period. Basically, people can count from
Speaker 1: the first day of their last menstruation to figure out
Speaker 1: how pregnant they are. UM. We do have an app
Speaker 1: that I want to recommend called Yuki e u k
Speaker 1: I comes from the word eucalyptus, which is a menstrual tracker,
Speaker 1: but also has information about how to use contraception, how
Speaker 1: to use abortion pills. It is private and secure. UH.
Speaker 1: The the information is not available to anybody. It was
Speaker 1: not commercially developed, was developed by grants. So even we
Speaker 1: don't know other than how many people download it, we
Speaker 1: don't know how people are using it. So I really
Speaker 1: I think it's really important that people understand how their
Speaker 1: bodies work, understand how to figure out how pregnant they are,
Speaker 1: and then understand how to use these pills. You asked
Speaker 1: a really important question, which is how late can these
Speaker 1: pills be used? Um, The w h O has studied
Speaker 1: the use of these pills through twelve weeks, and there
Speaker 1: is a set of protocols for how to use them
Speaker 1: for twelve weeks and basically, with mice across alone, a
Speaker 1: person would need twelve tablets two hundred micrograms each. They
Speaker 1: would put four pills under their tongue, let them dissolve
Speaker 1: thirty minutes and then swallow, wait three hours to do
Speaker 1: it again, four pills under the tongue thirty minutes and
Speaker 1: then wait three hours and then use the last four pills. However,
Speaker 1: after twelve weeks, the pills can also be used to
Speaker 1: end up pregnancy. Mice acrostal can be used for labor induction.
Speaker 1: Counter Intuitively, however, the large longer the pregnancy, the less
Speaker 1: mice across them is needed, and a person doesn't want
Speaker 1: to take too much. Exactly, you and I probably think, oh,
Speaker 1: I have a headache, I'll take to ask for it.
Speaker 1: Oh it didn't go away, I'll take two. More counter intuitively,
Speaker 1: as the uterus stretches with pregnancy, it's more sensitive to
Speaker 1: mines approsto and actually can be dangerous to use as
Speaker 1: much as one would use in the first twelve weeks.
Speaker 1: Anybody who wants to learn more can either go on
Speaker 1: the website abortion pill info dot org or use that
Speaker 1: website and contact skilled counselors from Women Help Women who
Speaker 1: are based overseas, who answer over twelve thousand emails a
Speaker 1: month about how to use these pills, and they will
Speaker 1: counsel people regardless of the number they need to know,
Speaker 1: how many weeks pregnancies they will they will adapt the
Speaker 1: information to that situation. But most people in this country
Speaker 1: who have gone to clinics for abortion do it in
Speaker 1: the first nine or ten weeks, and these pills are
Speaker 1: extremely safe and effective to use with these w H
Speaker 1: protocols up to twelve weeks. So while you're correct that
Speaker 1: most people don't know they're pregnant at six weeks, they
Speaker 1: at the time they're they've missed a period usually and
Speaker 1: they're they've taken a pregnancy test, and the urin pregnancy
Speaker 1: test that people buy in the dollar store over the
Speaker 1: pharmacy are pretty are pretty accurate. Yeah, you brought up something,
Speaker 1: which is that who have these people who can help
Speaker 1: provide advice and their overseas, and you you kind of
Speaker 1: specify that every time I see you, I hear you
Speaker 1: talk about it, and you also specify the degree of
Speaker 1: security um which you which you put on these conversations UM.
Speaker 1: And it's a degree that I think is uncommon for
Speaker 1: what should be a pretty basic medical procedure. And it's
Speaker 1: obviously because of there's potential consequences here. I'm interested in
Speaker 1: kind of what are some of the present legal consequence
Speaker 1: is and what are some of your worries when you
Speaker 1: adopt these very stringent security measures for people who come
Speaker 1: to you. So let's leave Texas aside. Prior to the
Speaker 1: Texas law, approximately twenty four people in the United States
Speaker 1: have been prosecuted for using abortion pills without a clinician involved,
Speaker 1: in other words, for self managing their abortion UM. It's
Speaker 1: important to say most of the people who were prosecuted
Speaker 1: were not ultimately convicted, but somewhere because many states criminalize
Speaker 1: the use of these pills without a clinician involved. That
Speaker 1: being said, thousands and thousands of thousands of people are
Speaker 1: obtaining mys acostal or mio cristal plus myz acrostal in
Speaker 1: the United States. We have some websites where that actually
Speaker 1: share the number of pills that they're sending into the US.
Speaker 1: And we also know about my acrostal sales um going
Speaker 1: way up in the countries where it is available of
Speaker 1: an encounter, so there's no doubt. And also people have
Speaker 1: shared their stories, so there that twenty four is a
Speaker 1: tiny percentage of all the people who have been who
Speaker 1: have used these pills. However, these pills are safe and
Speaker 1: effective and nobody should have legal risk in using them. Therefore,
Speaker 1: when we set up SASS, which is self managed abortion,
Speaker 1: safe and supported and it's a project of this international
Speaker 1: organization Women Help Women, we were very aware that in
Speaker 1: the U s there's a lot of surveillance of people's bodies,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of potential to pack into people's emails.
Speaker 1: So we set up a very secure system where people
Speaker 1: can email our overseas counselors UM on a very secure
Speaker 1: server and get back a an answer that will disappear
Speaker 1: within seven days, so there's no evidence in their phone
Speaker 1: or electronic device that they ever sent this email. We
Speaker 1: just thought, you know, it's an extra step. Um. Most
Speaker 1: people probably aren't even aware they're going through a secure site,
Speaker 1: but we want to make sure that nobody who who
Speaker 1: contacts us can ever be prosecuted. Yeah, and it's I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems like you're were especially given the nature of
Speaker 1: the Texas law, you're worried about vigilantes as much as anything,
Speaker 1: not necessarily even the state, but but you know, the
Speaker 1: kind of people who show up outside of planned parenthoods
Speaker 1: with guns. The good thing about an international organization running
Speaker 1: this is none of the people answering the email are
Speaker 1: in the US. Yeah, pretty difficult for these Texas vigilantes
Speaker 1: or frankly anybody else to file a lawsuit. First of all,
Speaker 1: it's all anonymized. They don't we don't. Women Help Them
Speaker 1: doesn't advertise who our staff are, and none, none of
Speaker 1: them are in this country. I mean, that's very smart.
Speaker 1: When did when was it set up this way? Like
Speaker 1: how long ago were you kind of thinking about the direction,
Speaker 1: because it seems like you you had a pretty blunt
Speaker 1: understanding of where things were headed. So Women Help Women
Speaker 1: was founded in and we work in eighty two countries.
Speaker 1: We work in countries like the Philippines where any kind
Speaker 1: of drug deal dealer has been called. Yeah, work in
Speaker 1: Poland where abortion is not legal. In anywhere in the country.
Speaker 1: We work in many places in Latin America where abortion
Speaker 1: is highly criminalized, so we had security set up from
Speaker 1: the beginning. It was actually shortly after the election of
Speaker 1: h I'll call him Orange forty five because I've sworn
Speaker 1: that this our ex president's name, will never cross my lips.
Speaker 1: Uh from Poland said, you know, we used to have
Speaker 1: legal abortion and we lost it, and you're gonna lose
Speaker 1: it too. People in the US better, you know, we
Speaker 1: should do something for people in the United States, and
Speaker 1: that's why so SAS was founded shortly after the inauguration
Speaker 1: of the last president and has been in place ever since.
Speaker 1: A lot of our work is not just the website
Speaker 1: and answering, it's really raising the awareness of our colleagues.
Speaker 1: We also before COVID went into communities. Now we do
Speaker 1: it for via Zoo. We actually do three hour trainings
Speaker 1: to teach people how to use these medicines and how
Speaker 1: to teach others' we uh, you know, we have manual Spanish.
Speaker 1: We have people doing these trainings all over the US
Speaker 1: UM and have reached thousands of people directly with this
Speaker 1: information UM sort of prophylactically with the belief that it
Speaker 1: shouldn't be when a person is pregnant that they understand
Speaker 1: how these pills work. This is basic information that gotten
Speaker 1: in high school. It's like knowing how to put on
Speaker 1: a tourniquet or something. It should be part of your
Speaker 1: first stage. How do you when to put on a
Speaker 1: band aid and when to take an aspirint? You know,
Speaker 1: how do you treat a cold? So the knowledge about
Speaker 1: these pills, we've worked very hard to make it very accessible.
Speaker 1: We actually have load we you know, we've done these
Speaker 1: trainings and countries where there's not a lot of literacy,
Speaker 1: so with graphics, we have videos. We have lots of
Speaker 1: ways to teach. Many aren't appropriate for the u S
Speaker 1: where there's more literacy but sometimes less understanding about how
Speaker 1: bodies work. So um. So our goal has been to
Speaker 1: you know, we also go to professional conferences and so
Speaker 1: channels and try to raise awareness within the reproductive rights
Speaker 1: and reproductive justice movement about the importance of self managed
Speaker 1: abortion as an intol of empowerment and breaking stigma. Not
Speaker 1: as hey, if you can't get to a clinic, tribes,
Speaker 1: but why why is this option not available to me?
Speaker 1: In a state of Massachusetts where I live where there's
Speaker 1: plenty of clinics, But why can't I just walk down
Speaker 1: to the to the Walgreens and get these pills if
Speaker 1: a doctor tells me it's okay, or without a doctor, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're so safe. So we've really, we really advocate for
Speaker 1: self managed abortion as a viable option. UM. It should
Speaker 1: be viable regardless of the law. Obviously for many people
Speaker 1: it's the only option in places like Texas. UM. But
Speaker 1: it's as good, it's a better. Some people don't want
Speaker 1: to go see a clinician. Yeah, they don't want to
Speaker 1: go through a bunch of protesters. They would just like
Speaker 1: to get a package in the mail with their medicines. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's and that's I mean, there's there's both
Speaker 1: the the tool of an immediate need that there's there's
Speaker 1: desperate people who need access to this, but it's also
Speaker 1: in a broader sense, like building power within individuals and
Speaker 1: within communities to manage their own reproductive healthcare, which I
Speaker 1: think is really important exactly. And there are people who
Speaker 1: could get to a clinic and have them needs to
Speaker 1: go to a clinic, who are opting not to go
Speaker 1: to a clinic. And two because they feel confident in
Speaker 1: their ability to take these pills as directed to manage it.
Speaker 1: And I just want to say, we started this conversation
Speaker 1: with talking about of all praises end in a miscarriage.
Speaker 1: Most people have a miscarriage don't get medical care. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they can manage the bleeding and they know when it's
Speaker 1: over and they know that fine, which I think is
Speaker 1: an important point because I know people who have had
Speaker 1: very difficult miscarriages, but that's not most of the most
Speaker 1: of them are are mild enough that yeah, like you said,
Speaker 1: you don't need medical care. Well, I just so, I
Speaker 1: just want to be clear. You know, using the abortion
Speaker 1: pills does cause cramping and bleeding, but it is not
Speaker 1: so far out of most people with the uterus is
Speaker 1: experience to have cramping and bleeding every month. This is
Speaker 1: heavier cramping, heavier bleeding, but we we know how to
Speaker 1: deal with this. Another point you make that I think
Speaker 1: is really important is that you know, with any medication,
Speaker 1: there's a chance it will be used wrong or it'll
Speaker 1: have an expected effect. If you have to if you
Speaker 1: take this stuff and you have to go to the doctor,
Speaker 1: you don't need to tell the doctor. This is what
Speaker 1: I've taken you you like, could you talk to that
Speaker 1: about a little bit how someone would if they needed
Speaker 1: to go to the doctor as a result of an
Speaker 1: interaction or something, what they would would be best to say.
Speaker 1: There are two kinds of complications that can happen in
Speaker 1: very very rare cases. The person can bleed too much,
Speaker 1: have a hemorrhage, and they absolutely mean medical care. The
Speaker 1: chance of a hemorrhage with these pills is exactly the
Speaker 1: same as the has a chance of the hemorrhage with
Speaker 1: a natural miscare. So it happens. Doctors in every e
Speaker 1: r know how to treat it. The other complication that
Speaker 1: can happen is in infection. You know, there's some retained
Speaker 1: tissue and the bleeding continues and they need to get antibiotics.
Speaker 1: So what's really interesting about these pills is they move
Speaker 1: through the body relatively quickly and there is no test
Speaker 1: of blood or urine for them as long as the person,
Speaker 1: especially if the person followed the directions and use them
Speaker 1: under the tongue or in the cheeks, they've gone through
Speaker 1: the stomach, they're gone. Yeah. In some directions say to
Speaker 1: use the MISA prostal vaginally. The problem with that is
Speaker 1: the inert substances, and the pills could stay in the
Speaker 1: vagina for up to three days, and then there's evidence,
Speaker 1: right because the doctor could see the crumbs if they
Speaker 1: do a pelvic exam. But as long as the person
Speaker 1: used the pills, either used the mice aprostal one swallows
Speaker 1: the mephopristom, as long as they use it in the
Speaker 1: and that's absorbed through the mouth, there are no tests.
Speaker 1: So the person can say I'm bleeding and I don't
Speaker 1: know why, which, by the way, many people with a
Speaker 1: miscaracter now they were pregnant. Happens all the time, or
Speaker 1: they could say I was pregnant and I think I'm
Speaker 1: having a miscarriage. Yeah, we are really trying to work
Speaker 1: with some professional groups to increase awareness that people shouldn't
Speaker 1: be vigilanties, healthcare providers should not be vigilanties. But the
Speaker 1: only way a person is going to get in trouble
Speaker 1: is if they say they use the medicines. Even if
Speaker 1: the doctor says, did you use the medicines, there is
Speaker 1: no reason to say it. The treatment is exactly the
Speaker 1: same as for a natural miscarriage. I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: kind of how listeners, particularly listeners who you know may
Speaker 1: not personally need this medicine but may want to support
Speaker 1: what you're doing, or may need the medicine and still
Speaker 1: want to support what you're doing. Are there ways in
Speaker 1: which people can either financially or otherwise help support y'all?
Speaker 1: Absolutely again. Abortion pill info dot Org is our website.
Speaker 1: There's a whole section of what people can do. They
Speaker 1: can they can learn about these pills and tell other people.
Speaker 1: They can get stickers to let people know they exist.
Speaker 1: Because remember, most people don't know there are abortion pills,
Speaker 1: so they don't even know how to look on the
Speaker 1: internet for this thing, you know, so sharing information is
Speaker 1: really important. There's also a donation button there, but the
Speaker 1: biggest thing that people can do in this moment, apart
Speaker 1: from donating, is to educate themselves. They can either sign
Speaker 1: up to take one of our trainings and become a
Speaker 1: We call them trainers, but it's really information sharing. You know,
Speaker 1: you and I have just talked about these pills. You
Speaker 1: understand them more than you did half an hour ago.
Speaker 1: Training a little too formal of a term for what
Speaker 1: we do, but afterwards people will understand these pills very
Speaker 1: well and be able to support others who either want
Speaker 1: to know about them or are using them. And the
Speaker 1: last thing I'd kind of like to ask you, if
Speaker 1: you don't mind sharing, is how did you get into
Speaker 1: this personally? Like what brought you into this line of
Speaker 1: good question. So I've been doing abortion access work since
Speaker 1: the eighties. UM. I was involved in the big demonstrations
Speaker 1: in front of the clinics, etcetera. But I've also spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time in Mexico where these pills are
Speaker 1: over the counter and no, And it wasn't until and
Speaker 1: I'm a little embarrassed to say this, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: until about fifteen years ago that it's suddenly occurred to me,
Speaker 1: Wait a second, I wonder why people in the US
Speaker 1: aren't doing what what people in Mexico are doing. I'm just,
Speaker 1: you know, it just it's like I was crossing the border,
Speaker 1: but the idea hadn't crossed. And I started working with
Speaker 1: another international organization of Women on Waves that was supplying
Speaker 1: these pills all over the world, and I learned more
Speaker 1: about them, and I eventually gave up my other day
Speaker 1: job UM and started doing this work more directly over
Speaker 1: the last ten years. Awesome, UM, Well, Susan, I think
Speaker 1: that's everything I had to ask. Was there anything else
Speaker 1: you wanted to make sure to get out today? No,
Speaker 1: I just want to be really clear that well, this
Speaker 1: is a human right and that they're people should have
Speaker 1: the option of going to a clinic. And the closing
Speaker 1: of the what you know, this is going to result
Speaker 1: in clinics in Texas being down essentially nobody who's you know,
Speaker 1: and they can't keep their doors open with a few
Speaker 1: people who happen to get in before six weeks. And
Speaker 1: I think we have to do everything possible to support
Speaker 1: there being access to clinicians, that this is an option
Speaker 1: that we all need to learn more about and to
Speaker 1: think about why why is this so controlled? If this
Speaker 1: was a medicine, like it's more controlled than than opiates.
Speaker 1: It's certainly more controlled than beyond and it's crazy and
Speaker 1: it's a misogynistic that these pills are not in our hands. So,
Speaker 1: um yeah, I would encourage your listeners to get on
Speaker 1: the website if they want more information there is you know,
Speaker 1: they can easily email through the website and learn whatever
Speaker 1: they want. Um. But it's all of our responsibility to
Speaker 1: learn this and to help get this information out absolutely,
Speaker 1: Susan Yano, thank you so much for talking with us
Speaker 1: today and thank you all for listening. This has been
Speaker 1: It Could Happen Here and we'll be back tomorrow UM
Speaker 1: with another episode. Thank you so much, season you're very well.
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