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Speaker 1: wa with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Friday, August twentieth, twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: Season seventeen, episode number eleven. Welcome to the latest edition
Speaker 1: of The Break. Life in the SWBC Mortgage Studios. At
Speaker 1: the start, got Dave Hellman and Nick Eatman with me
Speaker 1: for a rousing forty five minutes of Cowboys talk on
Speaker 1: a Friday heading into the third preseason game for the Cowboys. Uh,
Speaker 1: the LFG excited. Yeah, that's not what he looked like. God,
Speaker 1: it look like I'm not gonna say, but oh, it
Speaker 1: didn't look it didn't look like something he should be
Speaker 1: doing in here. It's a record for how quickly you
Speaker 1: took things off the reels. I'm just excited. It's Friday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a football weekend. I saw your I saw your post,
Speaker 1: and I kind of feel you. But it's like I
Speaker 1: keep one to get excited and I'm like and then
Speaker 1: I get brought back to the earth, like I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: but there aren't any real games this weekend. It's just
Speaker 1: kind of preseason. But there's still some value I think
Speaker 1: in these preseason games will be next week's preseason games
Speaker 1: that you're like, I don't even want to watch this.
Speaker 1: I just want to get to the actual games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's some there's some twenty twenty element of it
Speaker 1: as well, just kind of getting back, hopefully in some
Speaker 1: normalcy that we didn't have last year. You know, that's
Speaker 1: even like I didn't feel that way last year because
Speaker 1: it was it sucked, it was lame, different, Like you
Speaker 1: weren't going to games. You might not even be sure
Speaker 1: on Friday if a game was going to happen on
Speaker 1: Sunday or Saturday or whatever you were trying to watch.
Speaker 1: And Yeah, it's God. I love that feeling of waking
Speaker 1: up on Friday and you're like, you know, the heavy
Speaker 1: lifting for the week is done, and there's gonna be
Speaker 1: football on all weekend. It's just you know, if you're
Speaker 1: traveling to a game, it's even more exciting. It's just
Speaker 1: the best I have never been that guy that says, oh,
Speaker 1: this game, fourth game, third game, never because because we
Speaker 1: always go to training camp and we see these guys
Speaker 1: and we want to see, Okay, they're looking okay, let's
Speaker 1: see what they do in the game where they don't
Speaker 1: look that great. But maybe there'll be a gamer, you know.
Speaker 1: And so there's always storylines there and even in the
Speaker 1: third and fourth quarter. Yeah, these games may not make
Speaker 1: the team, but it's it's fun to see that. It's
Speaker 1: fun to see like that game. I thought the game
Speaker 1: was over last last week. I was so loud down
Speaker 1: the Arizona I didn't hear any false start or whatever.
Speaker 1: I thought. Bohanna and Kamara won the game. So I
Speaker 1: was I got five guys I'm supposed to talk to
Speaker 1: in the locker room, and I'm like, okay, well i
Speaker 1: gotta switch because we gotta get Bohanna. I just won
Speaker 1: the game. Wait, why are they kicking a field goal?
Speaker 1: Like I'm down there. I'm like, I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on. But it's a game and there's storylines, and
Speaker 1: that's why I always love it. Yeah, I'm never gonna
Speaker 1: not watch football, Like that's part of my problem. I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of a problem that I'm just like,
Speaker 1: if I'm happening to flip around the television and football's on,
Speaker 1: I don't care who what the game is, I'm stopping
Speaker 1: down and you know it's it's a problem for people
Speaker 1: in my house. But if that's for me, that's a problem.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be I don't want to be fair.
Speaker 1: I don't want to help the problem. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be first. And actually, next weekend, just to make
Speaker 1: a quick announcement for everybody that will be high school
Speaker 1: football next weekend, and if you're in Texas, you know
Speaker 1: how big that is. We got actually a really special
Speaker 1: game next weekend here at the Star. It's the very
Speaker 1: first Jerry Jones Classic. It's gonna match up Denton Ryan
Speaker 1: versus Long Review, I think it is. And from what
Speaker 1: I understand, these are two top five teams in the
Speaker 1: state that'll be matching up here at the Start next weekend.
Speaker 1: So that's gonna be fun. I love watching. Like I said,
Speaker 1: if it's football on, I'm in And I think I
Speaker 1: might even come out next weekend check that one out
Speaker 1: in person, because it'll be it'll be a fun weekend too,
Speaker 1: all right, So yeah, right, you two. I'll be there,
Speaker 1: you will be Nick loves high school football now he does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well love he wrote a book about it, so I
Speaker 1: would think he kind of mean it's it's pure. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's just this is it. This is what these
Speaker 1: guys have, like, this is their life and most for
Speaker 1: a lot of them, they're never gonna play another game,
Speaker 1: you know, and this is this is what it means.
Speaker 1: And so you know, it's funny like preseason games and
Speaker 1: that game that you're just talking about is a non
Speaker 1: district game. It doesn't matter to their playoff implications. Tell
Speaker 1: that to everybody there that it doesn't matter, it will matter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll be thinking about it. You know, you probably remember
Speaker 1: a game from your high school. You know. It's just
Speaker 1: what it is. It's what it is, and I love it.
Speaker 1: I love that that form. I love all forms of it. Football. Football.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get a quick update back. McCarthy had
Speaker 1: his press conference a few minutes ago. Dave tell us
Speaker 1: he he had an update on Dak. What do you
Speaker 1: have to say about Dack? Uh, Yeah, just not anything concrete,
Speaker 1: but just that you know, Dak is going to con
Speaker 1: tenue this progression. It's not you know, Mike was basically like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna you know, I'm not willing to commit
Speaker 1: that he's gonna just be full go taken every rep
Speaker 1: next week, but he anticipates that he'll take another notch
Speaker 1: up in his participation next week. Hopefully that means doing
Speaker 1: some competitive stuff, but I guess we'll see. And then
Speaker 1: maybe the most interesting part is that he did say,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody asked you think he'll be on a
Speaker 1: pitch count during the season, like you only gonna throw
Speaker 1: him so many times to keep him healthy and YadA, YadA,
Speaker 1: and Mike was like, no, I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: that'll be a thing, Like he'll be fine when the
Speaker 1: season gets here, Which that's that's noteworthy to me. If
Speaker 1: you think, you know, give it another two and a
Speaker 1: half weeks and you don't think you have to limit
Speaker 1: him at all. I mean, that's that's the goal, right
Speaker 1: And I think until you get to that point, there's
Speaker 1: always going to be some antiness. You know, I said
Speaker 1: that earlier today, like anytime QB one's not just one
Speaker 1: hundred percent available, there's always going to be some antiness.
Speaker 1: So especially at the beginning of the year because you know,
Speaker 1: there's such a long marathon that's going to have to
Speaker 1: happen here to get to where you want to be,
Speaker 1: which is playing in January and maybe even February. So yeah,
Speaker 1: when you already got problems right now, you're definitely a
Speaker 1: little bit concerned, I would say. But that's yeah, So
Speaker 1: that's a good sign. He's still trending in the right direction.
Speaker 1: All reports continue to be positive. All right, So let's
Speaker 1: talk about Lyle Collins. That was another injury that happened
Speaker 1: earlier this week. Has some discomfort in the neck and back.
Speaker 1: What are they saying about him? Every I mean, and
Speaker 1: I get it. I understand why everybody would freak out
Speaker 1: about that, because not only did you know Lyle was
Speaker 1: out last year, not only did he miss the whole year,
Speaker 1: but until he had surgery, they were like, he's fine,
Speaker 1: he's fine, he's fine, he's gonna do something tomorrow. Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, he's having hip surgery and he's gone.
Speaker 1: So I understand why that freaks people out. But he
Speaker 1: did stay at practice the other day, like he stayed
Speaker 1: for the whole thing. He didn't get out of uniform,
Speaker 1: he went through the walkthrough after practice was over and
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, surely this can't be that bad
Speaker 1: if you're doing walk through and things like that. So
Speaker 1: he's expected to do some stuff. He's expected to practice today,
Speaker 1: and Mike even said that he'll probably take some snaps
Speaker 1: tomorrow when the Texans came. So he sounds fine to me. Nick,
Speaker 1: does the does the age of this offensive line bother you?
Speaker 1: Because I think you know, when you hear about these
Speaker 1: kind of things and you look at last year, I
Speaker 1: think there is a natural inclination for some casual observers
Speaker 1: fans to look this and be like, man, it's just
Speaker 1: like every year it seems like this team is as
Speaker 1: parcels you say, health hostage. Yeah, by the by the
Speaker 1: health of the offensive line. Yeah. I mean I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna just say the age bothers me, but what the
Speaker 1: age represents is more wear and tear. More of these
Speaker 1: things come up, and it's hard to kind of go
Speaker 1: back into you It's hard to think there'll be a
Speaker 1: time where it's like, man, Tyran went through the whole
Speaker 1: year no issues at all. I mean, it's not a knee,
Speaker 1: this is a neck, back, shoulder, elbow, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's things that just kind of keep lingering a little bit.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, you have to say
Speaker 1: it's it's bothersome because they're not as good as they
Speaker 1: were and this line isn't as good as as they were. Um,
Speaker 1: I think I think Travis Frederick was better than we
Speaker 1: We think he was as far as and we thought
Speaker 1: he was great, but I think he was even maybe
Speaker 1: better than that, just because the glue, the glue of
Speaker 1: being the you know, in the center of the line
Speaker 1: making the calls. He was really good. Like you weren't
Speaker 1: beating him a lot. You know, we didn't even think
Speaker 1: about snaps really and now we're kind of looking at
Speaker 1: it a lot more. He was just a solid I
Speaker 1: don't even like saying solid because he was an all pro,
Speaker 1: but I mean he was just the perfect centerpiece if
Speaker 1: you will, to that line. And I think I think
Speaker 1: it's gone gone downhill since then, and then with it
Speaker 1: you tack on the injuries as well, and they're just
Speaker 1: not as reliable as we've you know, seeing him in
Speaker 1: the past. Yeah, all right, let's move onto one other transaction.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys made Hunter Nice Wander was wave injured. It
Speaker 1: raised my eyebrow obviously, if you think about it. Probably
Speaker 1: shouldn't because he was a guy that was kind of
Speaker 1: getting him through the preseason doing both kicking duties and
Speaker 1: punt duties, and then he got hurt. So talk to
Speaker 1: me about what this means and who they signed in
Speaker 1: his place, and what it means a long term for
Speaker 1: this team if anything. I don't really think it means
Speaker 1: anything long term, if any. We talk about this a
Speaker 1: lot of like our idea from the outside fans and media,
Speaker 1: sometimes it is completely different than what they think. And
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is all you know, Hunter
Speaker 1: wasn't pretty good last year for a guy that came
Speaker 1: in off the street, and everybody was like, Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's he can compete to be the
Speaker 1: long term answer. And so like all through the offseason
Speaker 1: we were like, there's going to be a competition for
Speaker 1: the punter job, clearly, not like clearly the John Fossil
Speaker 1: from the get go was like, thank you for your
Speaker 1: contribution and you will be shown the or at some
Speaker 1: point like that is the body language going all the
Speaker 1: way back to the spring of how they felt about that,
Speaker 1: And that's fine, but I was trying to are you
Speaker 1: gonna pronounce the guy's name. It's Liriumu Hira Lahore you
Speaker 1: go lah okay, So the jay is silent as far
Speaker 1: as I'm aware. Um, I'm not. I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 1: definitely right, but I've looked it up and that's what
Speaker 1: I came up with. Hi Laho. He's Canadian by way
Speaker 1: of Kosovo. He's played in the Canadian Football League for
Speaker 1: a pretty long time, so I mean he's not he's
Speaker 1: not new to this. He knows how to kick um.
Speaker 1: But again, you know, this is a placeholder deal as
Speaker 1: far as I can tell. Because Greg's airline has kicked
Speaker 1: a few times. They are gonna go They're gonna put
Speaker 1: him through another routine tomorrow night before the game, and
Speaker 1: John Fossil said yesterday that their their hope slash plan
Speaker 1: is for Greg to be active and kick against the
Speaker 1: Jags in the final preseason game. So sounds like he'll
Speaker 1: be fine. And if you're you know, we've seen the
Speaker 1: way McCarthy does these games. You know where he does it.
Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't want to see a nice wonder
Speaker 1: kick a thirty eight yard or he'll just go for
Speaker 1: it all fourth and ten. He wants to see that.
Speaker 1: I think you need to flip the script when you
Speaker 1: get to the Jacksonville game. Yep. Yeah. If I'm sitting
Speaker 1: at the thirty two yard line for a forty nine
Speaker 1: yard field goal and it's third and six, I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see I'll just run the football because I
Speaker 1: want to see him kick it. That's more important to me.
Speaker 1: Because we get to Tampa Bay, you know, into the
Speaker 1: half into the game, there's gonna be kicks like that.
Speaker 1: I want to see him in pre game is fine.
Speaker 1: He can still do it in pre game, but I
Speaker 1: want you want to see it in the game. You
Speaker 1: want to see his kickoffs, get the game operation down,
Speaker 1: all that good stuff. And I do think he said
Speaker 1: um because in Arizona he was just kicking like he
Speaker 1: had a t But their plan for tomorrow night is
Speaker 1: for them him to like work with Jake McQuaid and
Speaker 1: whoever the holder is probably ain't assume so because he's
Speaker 1: gonna be your punner, right, Oh, he's gonna be your punner,
Speaker 1: which he and I think this maybe got lost, Like
Speaker 1: he punted against Arizona, so anger's fine. I mean, he
Speaker 1: he had one punch against the Cardinals, so I think
Speaker 1: he's on track. He's just a nine year veteran guy
Speaker 1: that they don't want to wear his sah. But he's
Speaker 1: been the holder for Nice Wonder on these you know,
Speaker 1: so he's a holder. But I do think, you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, sometimes we get caught up in a
Speaker 1: narrative that is just not there at all. And I mean, like,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people, including me, I thought
Speaker 1: maybe nice Wander could compete for something, and they were like, no, no,
Speaker 1: we're we like what we got and that's what we're
Speaker 1: going to roll with. That. That bothers me, honestly, just
Speaker 1: because I mean, this was the first time he's ever
Speaker 1: been kicked. It was last year punted, and it was
Speaker 1: a better average than Chris Jones ever had in his
Speaker 1: entire career. Chris Jones was considered a good dislid punter.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, so I think, okay, this, he's rookie.
Speaker 1: He got thrown in here and you know, I mean it,
Speaker 1: and yes, last year was so weird, and then you
Speaker 1: know think, okay, give him a whole camp, he'll be good.
Speaker 1: But he didn't have a camp. He was kicking, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's it's like it's like saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you're a wide receiver, but we're going to have you
Speaker 1: play tight end and now we're evaluating you as a
Speaker 1: player because of what we see a tight end and
Speaker 1: that's not Clarence Hill. Credit to him, he kind of
Speaker 1: called that out in the press conference yesterday with John.
Speaker 1: He was like, you know, you said he was going
Speaker 1: to have this opportunity to do all this, Like you
Speaker 1: didn't really give him a chance to punt while he
Speaker 1: was here, and bones said something it wasn't like the
Speaker 1: best explanation. And I mean, like I said, they just
Speaker 1: they knew what they wanted and what they were going
Speaker 1: to do. I asked him in the one of the
Speaker 1: press conferences in Oxner too, I asked her about that, like,
Speaker 1: is this a competition? He's like, Oh, it's definitely a competition. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's not that so much. When well, the good thing
Speaker 1: about it for him, though, is he's had some experience
Speaker 1: here with the Cowboys both last year and during this
Speaker 1: training camp. I have a suspicion he's gonna pop up
Speaker 1: on somebody's roster because I think that's a valuable thing
Speaker 1: to have somebody that can kick and punt and you
Speaker 1: can use him in either role or maybe if you
Speaker 1: got into a pinch in both roles, right, yeah, prece
Speaker 1: and he's not gonna embarrass you and punters the punter. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's not. I get it, but I'm saying he can
Speaker 1: get out. It's better than rolling out when we was
Speaker 1: a few years ago when the Cowboys got to talk
Speaker 1: about Jeff He. I'm just saying, when you got to
Speaker 1: roll out Jeff He to to kick a field goal,
Speaker 1: you probably rather do it a nastal. You have an
Speaker 1: actual kicker. And if if I ever do because you
Speaker 1: love Jeff, oh yeah, that's part of why I love
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I can kick player put pass kick.
Speaker 1: You remember. The competitions might not, but I remember well,
Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter whatever happens, if there's ever another
Speaker 1: edition of If These Walls Could Talk, or any other
Speaker 1: story time. I mean, Hunter Nice Wonder is going to
Speaker 1: have a story for me, for me because of because
Speaker 1: of that Eagles game when he had never played before,
Speaker 1: and he's he's sitting there in the suite with me
Speaker 1: and his last year when I'm think I had the
Speaker 1: sweet to myself, you know, because I'm like, you need
Speaker 1: to write a whole book about last year for you.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you got a lot of stories. I'm sure
Speaker 1: they'll all be cleared, you know, like don't yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's gonna get vetoed. He comes over and he's got
Speaker 1: this this Jim Jim bag and he's like, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: Hunter and a nice wander. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the new guy. Yeah, but Chris Jones is still there.
Speaker 1: And he's like, Chris has been dealing with the back.
Speaker 1: He's like, do you know if I'm playing today? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, what he asked you? Yeah? He goes, do
Speaker 1: you know if I'm playing? He thinks I just got
Speaker 1: an official badge. I know what's going on. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't. Are you playing? Like in the game against
Speaker 1: the Eagles, and like Danucci start, He's like, yeah, they
Speaker 1: told me to come and take the early bus and
Speaker 1: none of the other guys are here. I'm on the
Speaker 1: practice squad, but they say they might sign me if
Speaker 1: if if Chris he's gonna warm up, do you know
Speaker 1: if I'm playing? I have my cleats right here. I
Speaker 1: have my cleats in my bag. I'm like, either he goes,
Speaker 1: either I'm playing or I'm sitting up here in one
Speaker 1: of these suites. I'm like, god, this is so weird.
Speaker 1: I'm like, um, I don't know, but I Don'm not
Speaker 1: the guy to ask if you're playing. I promise you
Speaker 1: that let's figure that out. Let's go down here. He
Speaker 1: went down, he found the right guy he was because
Speaker 1: he was just like and then he comes back up
Speaker 1: later and he goes like, I guess I'm not playing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is yeah, I guess not because there's
Speaker 1: warm ups and you're not grab a hot dog, right,
Speaker 1: hot dog? It's so and then I saw him on
Speaker 1: the plane afterwards. He's like, yeah, I'm not playing. That
Speaker 1: didn't play. This guy, I saw it. I saw that
Speaker 1: you didn't play. And he's like, next, I'll probably think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play next week. I'm like this, this is like,
Speaker 1: this is like the you know, at the gym at
Speaker 1: the rec center. Like, I'm not playing. It might drive next.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, you don't have next year albums. NFL game, God,
Speaker 1: it was so weird last year. Last year was a
Speaker 1: crazy year. Man. I would suspect that every team was
Speaker 1: kind of flying by the seat of their pants when
Speaker 1: it came to certain things, because it's just everything was
Speaker 1: so weird. Yeah, it's so different what everybody had to
Speaker 1: deal with last year with with all the COVID protocols
Speaker 1: and that kind of And we get to Arizona last
Speaker 1: week and we're sitting, you know, we usually have this
Speaker 1: one big row and you where all of us are sitting,
Speaker 1: and then you and I are over here, and Rob
Speaker 1: and Dave were over here back here, and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, usually it would be like damn. And then
Speaker 1: but it was like we're good. We're here, We're good,
Speaker 1: nothing nothing but smiles and yeah, we'll deal. This is
Speaker 1: all good, Like you guys good and like, yes, I
Speaker 1: told a man, Rob sat down. I was like, this
Speaker 1: is gonna bother neck. Just wait. Well, I mean, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: well you know what he does. The first thing he does,
Speaker 1: he goes and he looks and he says, so, who
Speaker 1: else is sitting over here? They're not gonna be here,
Speaker 1: They're not gonna maybe we can move them down. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm borderline clod. I was like, I'm good,
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit claustrophobic when it get not not claustrophobic,
Speaker 1: because give me some room right now a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, So that that's all that that is when everyone.
Speaker 1: I was just happy that we were all there too,
Speaker 1: and we're all gonna it was hopefully be there throughout
Speaker 1: the season this year. Hopefully nothing crazy happened too. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take our first break. When we come back, We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about the Cowboys versus the
Speaker 1: Texans and what should be a fun matchup for some
Speaker 1: fans that are like from Houston, maybe like there, there's
Speaker 1: still some people that love that Houston Dallas thing. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure exactly what players will be playing, so we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that when we come back, and you guys
Speaker 1: can let us know who will be out there as
Speaker 1: to whether this should be a fun matchup or just
Speaker 1: kind of another game that we'll all watch because we
Speaker 1: just like to watch football. Will deal well, come back.
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Speaker 1: back to the second segment of The Break Life from
Speaker 1: the SWBC Mortgage Studios. At the start, we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: Cowboys versus Texans. That's happening tomorrow night at AT and
Speaker 1: T Stadium, and so let's start first with the starters,
Speaker 1: and which of the starters do you expect to actually
Speaker 1: be out there on the offensive side of the ball
Speaker 1: and the defensive side of the ball, So in them
Speaker 1: all not just give me an idea of kind of
Speaker 1: what guys the offense is going to play this like
Speaker 1: it's the first or second game like that that we're
Speaker 1: not This is not a dress rehearsal. Dack's not going
Speaker 1: to play. Um Zeke is not going to play, which
Speaker 1: I love. It's so refreshing that Mike McCarthy doesn't really
Speaker 1: treat this like a state secret. He even made it Joe,
Speaker 1: he was like, he's not kind of played. Did you
Speaker 1: not watch Hard Knocks? Because in the first episode he
Speaker 1: was like, we shouldn't play him. So I guess he's
Speaker 1: like this at this point, everything we've done is yeah,
Speaker 1: it's no longer a top secret. So and then you know.
Speaker 1: But so it is encouraging. Tyrone, Zach and Lyle are
Speaker 1: all expected to play. But again, you're talking a series,
Speaker 1: maybe two series, ten to fifteen snaps, Amari Cooper ten
Speaker 1: to twelve snaps. Maybe Lamb and Gallop do a little
Speaker 1: bit more because they've already played. But I think for
Speaker 1: the most part. You're talking all starters out by and
Speaker 1: before the first quarters over. If I had to guess
Speaker 1: an offense, yeah, defense I think is going to look
Speaker 1: more like a dress rehearsal. You know, those that side
Speaker 1: of the ball is healthier just in general, like you're
Speaker 1: not dealing with guys that are maintaining things the same
Speaker 1: way and younger. You know, there's a lot more unproven
Speaker 1: guys on the defensive side of the ball. So I
Speaker 1: think you could see I think most of the defensive
Speaker 1: starters will play like a half, probably are close to it.
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence obviously isn't gonna play. I don't think you're
Speaker 1: gonna see him. No, I know you're not gonna see
Speaker 1: him till Tampa because there sure is hell not going
Speaker 1: to play him against Jacksonville. Yeah, so yeah, but everybody
Speaker 1: but Tank. I feel like everybody who's healthy should play
Speaker 1: a half or so. I don't did you mention Randy
Speaker 1: I did not know which he's been dealing with a foot,
Speaker 1: But he has looked good here this week at practice,
Speaker 1: So about bash him? Yeah? I don't. He's could you
Speaker 1: start wondering wondering, like where the bodies that are going
Speaker 1: to be out there. You know, I think bash him, Well,
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I know he's coming back from
Speaker 1: his ankle, and maybe keep an eye on what he
Speaker 1: does today. Did you hear something about Randy I no, no, no,
Speaker 1: just I mean I know he's practiced them, but I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't do a full half. He's one of
Speaker 1: those guys. He's kind of on the boardom line. You
Speaker 1: need some snaps, but you don't want to push it.
Speaker 1: I mean, are we Are we a huh hundred percent
Speaker 1: sure Terrell Basham makes the team a hund I mean
Speaker 1: I would say, I'm like ninety five percent. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that would surprise me. Yeah, it would surprise me too.
Speaker 1: I'm just you know this, even though they're cap strap,
Speaker 1: they're not really like needing to save a lot of
Speaker 1: money right now. Like they're not gonna go get anyone else.
Speaker 1: They don't need the money for someone else. So I
Speaker 1: don't think it would be that. I just I'm just
Speaker 1: looking at it. I mean, there really isn't a young guy.
Speaker 1: But but the way that Dorn's Armstrong has played, I
Speaker 1: think he's your third pass rusher now, so you're getting
Speaker 1: and he also plays special teams, which makes him very valuable.
Speaker 1: He's just going to get on the field in different ways.
Speaker 1: But if there was a younger guy that was playing
Speaker 1: in well, where we're going with this is Chauncey Gholston,
Speaker 1: when is he going to be back? Like, because that's
Speaker 1: right now. That's what's kind of making this whole defensive
Speaker 1: end position cloudy for me, because what do you do
Speaker 1: with him? Do they decide to put him on six
Speaker 1: week pup? He looks like a pop stash to me,
Speaker 1: maybe like he's I mean, he has you know, and
Speaker 1: some people have been asking a lot of questions. I
Speaker 1: get it he's he's been doing some rehab work, like
Speaker 1: he started working with Britt Brown recently, but like jogging,
Speaker 1: you know, was this expected because I never heard anything
Speaker 1: about this in the off season, it would be this
Speaker 1: kind he was thinking stuff. He was out there, he
Speaker 1: was out there was a guy a lot we talked
Speaker 1: to leon Lett. I think it was being you before camp.
Speaker 1: Golston was a guy that he was excited about. So
Speaker 1: this whatever happened was happened either right before camp or
Speaker 1: at camp. It might yeah, I think I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: I heard that it might have. I don't remember if
Speaker 1: it was Gholston. So I don't want to say for sure,
Speaker 1: but not trying to dismiss bash him at all. I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking things have changed in the in the development here.
Speaker 1: I mean, Dorin's Armstrong is getting to the point where,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that they're gonna have to play
Speaker 1: him more. You know what they played him at last year?
Speaker 1: I know, But but what what what Joe Witz said
Speaker 1: about Maurice? Can that feed the studs? I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're playing so well that you got to get them
Speaker 1: on the field, but you probably want four ends, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1: And who's the fourth if it's right right? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but if Gholston was in the mix,
Speaker 1: and there was maybe Bradley and I would actually actually
Speaker 1: do something. You could look at it and say, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll hold on here because we have a veteran. Anytime
Speaker 1: you have veteran backups that are in the third or
Speaker 1: even in the fourth spot, I think that you have
Speaker 1: to think about it. Yeah. No, I get that, I
Speaker 1: honestly think, but I wouldn't. I'm not saying I would.
Speaker 1: I just I don't think they're I mean, they're they're
Speaker 1: not married to any of those guys. That's how they
Speaker 1: do it in free agency. But I just this is
Speaker 1: not implying by any way, I have not heard that.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, if you're not starting, and you're not
Speaker 1: even maybe the first backup, and you're kind of a
Speaker 1: veteran guy, I think I think it's safe to say, oh,
Speaker 1: let's let's look at this. But I just think I
Speaker 1: don't think a Nis had a better camp than Basham
Speaker 1: and Golston I have. I can't believe that he would
Speaker 1: be ready and at this point, yeah, you're what, you're
Speaker 1: ten days from final cuts or twelve days from final cuts,
Speaker 1: whatever that market. And so I think at this point
Speaker 1: I would be surprised if Gholston. I think you try
Speaker 1: to stash him for six weeks and get him back
Speaker 1: a little more healthy and acclimated before you do anything
Speaker 1: with him. This team also likes Rondelle Carter more than
Speaker 1: fans do and media does. The team likes Carter more then.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying than anybody else, but I'm just saying
Speaker 1: they're high on him. Well, between him and and I like,
Speaker 1: those are guys that are right now, it's hard to
Speaker 1: see how they're gonna make the team. But you know,
Speaker 1: you would think that there's at least some interest and
Speaker 1: maybe some interest in that room that they want to
Speaker 1: keep them there. And there's always and this is this
Speaker 1: sets up perfectly for a surprise, even if it's maybe
Speaker 1: it's not Terrell Basham, but she's using that as an example.
Speaker 1: That's a great point that, Okay, here's a veteran that's
Speaker 1: not making a lot of money. You know, he's not
Speaker 1: going to get a ton of defensive snaps. We really
Speaker 1: need a special teams player. If you feel like Rondell
Speaker 1: and Dorian's Armstrong's been so good. John Fossil actually talked
Speaker 1: about that yesterday. You might have to decrease his load
Speaker 1: on special teams because he's playing more on defense than
Speaker 1: what he's used to. And so in that case, you
Speaker 1: got to find a replacement. Maybe it could be a
Speaker 1: Ron del Carter or Bradley And I don't roll out
Speaker 1: to from a pass rushing standpoint, because they're going to
Speaker 1: have to figure out how to get number nine on
Speaker 1: the field if they're gonna if they're gonna keep well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he should. You got to figure out the
Speaker 1: Luba Santas for two years, figure out the best way
Speaker 1: to use Jalen Smith. Let's call him Jalen Smith, not
Speaker 1: number nine. Yeah, that's I was. I was like, we're
Speaker 1: doing We're doing that now. Yeah, No I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not fit. Yeah, but let me ask you. I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask this rush on this same thing though. Yea.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys saw the report yesterday
Speaker 1: the Clarence put out Clarence Hill. Uh. He said that
Speaker 1: he's expecting that both Jalen and Layton Vanderish will be
Speaker 1: seeing some snaps on special teams. Hated in the preseason.
Speaker 1: Hated is that you hate why he hated it, because
Speaker 1: because that doesn't mean that they're going to be good
Speaker 1: because they're they're better runs. Absolutely, I don't think Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith would be a great special teams guy. He doesn't
Speaker 1: run very well for sixty yards. He doesn't. That's not
Speaker 1: his thing. But I thought straight line running was actually
Speaker 1: where he's okay, Like I thought he could still run
Speaker 1: straight line. It's change of direction that's a problem for him.
Speaker 1: Right with Lauren kind of fetched him like forty yards back.
Speaker 1: So I know that he's I know he's a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I know, and it wasn't his fault. It was whoever
Speaker 1: whoever was. They need to work on that drill. By
Speaker 1: the way, I don't ever see that drill. They want
Speaker 1: to really preached turnovers and special teams work on that
Speaker 1: where the guy's running with the ball and you turn
Speaker 1: it around and actually blocking someone. Leon Lett wouldn't be member,
Speaker 1: you know, wouldn't be remembered for that play against Buffalo
Speaker 1: if Jimmy Jones would have turned around and hit the
Speaker 1: guy turn around. That's the thing. And Vanderest did did
Speaker 1: not do it in that Washington game. White laughing, it's
Speaker 1: I'm I love your enthusiasm, just I'm because they don't
Speaker 1: do it. And I've never thought, yeah, I've never considered
Speaker 1: that they should do a drill where they and you're
Speaker 1: right and I'm wrong. Like I'm not saying you're crazy.
Speaker 1: It's just it'll get enough turnovers to make Yeah, seriously maybe.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's like the step one right, It's
Speaker 1: like team though it's in the high school team. That's like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna practice our kneel downs, like you can never
Speaker 1: kneeling down the ball. You guys are all Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: focus on getting guys running towards the end zone with
Speaker 1: the ball before we worry about who's blocking Alden Smith
Speaker 1: touchdown against Cincinnati last year, the entire defense was on
Speaker 1: at wevel like that. Yeah, probably like where are they
Speaker 1: other guys? Seriously, we're ling we need more? Oh no, okay,
Speaker 1: I do. I thought that there was a little more
Speaker 1: nuanced to what Fossil said than that. It's and I
Speaker 1: think it applies to the whole season, which is something
Speaker 1: that I've been thinking about a lot. Typically, you keep
Speaker 1: five or six or maybe seven linebackers the back half
Speaker 1: of your depth chart, our core special teams guys because
Speaker 1: they're big enough to tackle and block but also still
Speaker 1: pretty fast. But this whole depth chart is gonna be
Speaker 1: starter caliber player. With all of this Rode linebacker, you
Speaker 1: got four guys that you're going to be leaning on
Speaker 1: to play heavy snaps, which means you like, where are
Speaker 1: these special teams snaps coming from? So I think what
Speaker 1: Fossil was saying is he hadn't He did say, he
Speaker 1: was like, all four of these guys have to find
Speaker 1: something they can be useful at on special teams. Doesn't
Speaker 1: mean they all have to play every team, but they
Speaker 1: all got to have something that they can contribute otherwise,
Speaker 1: you know, how do you You got to have forty
Speaker 1: six guys who are doing something on game day. So
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting, just that Neil and Parsons
Speaker 1: as well, like all four of them need to find
Speaker 1: a way to be useful, or at least three out
Speaker 1: of the four probably, And honestly, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: that's the point to make, is that it's it's all
Speaker 1: of them. It's not just Layton and Jalen. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: makes it sound like them. I just thought it made
Speaker 1: it sound like Fossil was like, at least two guys sucks.
Speaker 1: So they got to play specials and on the way
Speaker 1: they're gonna make the seams if they got to play
Speaker 1: special teams, which is not the case. Right, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, so those we're gonna do real quick before
Speaker 1: we go to break. I want each you guys to
Speaker 1: give me one bubble guy, one guy that this game
Speaker 1: is very important for them, whether it is for them
Speaker 1: to maybe a sin to a starting role, or whether
Speaker 1: it is a possibility of them having to make this team.
Speaker 1: This game is critical for them. Let's start with you, David.
Speaker 1: Maybe not like critical, because I think they're both going
Speaker 1: to be on the team. But you know this Maurice
Speaker 1: Kennedy and Jordan Lewis, Like Jordan wasn't available for most
Speaker 1: of the Oxnard part of camp. Kennedy took that opportunity
Speaker 1: and ran with it. But Jordan's back as the starting
Speaker 1: slot corner now that he's healthy and he's had a
Speaker 1: couple of good days of practice. So if this is
Speaker 1: a dress rehearsal for I'm curious to see the allotment
Speaker 1: of snaps, Like is Jordan going to get the whole thing,
Speaker 1: when does Kennedy go in, etc? And who looks better?
Speaker 1: Is that job actually up for grabs or were we
Speaker 1: just overreacting? That's what I'm looking at him. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was gonna throw in a backup receiver, but I mean,
Speaker 1: let's call it what it is. I mean, Garrett Gilbert,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a big moment for him. But
Speaker 1: even though this is his third game, this is you know,
Speaker 1: if they're gonna call it a dress rehearsal, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have the offensive lineman. If those guys are gonna be
Speaker 1: out there, go get your team in the end zone.
Speaker 1: I like the things he's done. He's moved the ball,
Speaker 1: a little bit, get down there and score a touchdown.
Speaker 1: I think if he can go and do that, and
Speaker 1: even without Zeke, whatever I think you'll have without Zeke, though,
Speaker 1: I still think you'll have your tight ends, your offensive line,
Speaker 1: your receivers, go down there and score touchdown in the
Speaker 1: first drive of the game. I think if he does that,
Speaker 1: they may still look at who gets cut and waived
Speaker 1: and all that. We've already seen a name, Josh Rosen.
Speaker 1: You're gonna see names. But I think if he goes
Speaker 1: scores a touchdown, I think it solidifies it. If it's
Speaker 1: not already solidified, it will be all right. Here's gonna
Speaker 1: be gonna take our final break. We'll come back. We
Speaker 1: got some phone calls, we got some Twitter questions, and
Speaker 1: we may even get a little bit of a I
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Speaker 1: segment of the break Life in the SWBC Mortgage studios
Speaker 1: at the Stars. Let's take a phone call. We gotta
Speaker 1: fallow a call from Jim in Dallas. Jim, what you
Speaker 1: got hey, guys, I appreciate you taking my call. You
Speaker 1: kind of kind addressed my Gholston concerns. His McCarthy addressed
Speaker 1: anything regarding his he had a setback? Is it more
Speaker 1: than a hamstring? And also regarding Tristan Hill, I know
Speaker 1: they said he was pretty close in your opinion, is
Speaker 1: that meaning like something next week or are we looking
Speaker 1: at him being puffed as well to start the season.
Speaker 1: All right, thanks for the call. That's a great question.
Speaker 1: I don't think Chauncey's had a setback. I just think
Speaker 1: it was a pretty intense hamstring string that's and I
Speaker 1: get it. It's frustrating, but sometimes it's a ten day
Speaker 1: injury and sometimes it's a month injury. Um Tristan which
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to throw shade because I've never
Speaker 1: had to rehab a torn ligament before, but you know,
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin tore his ACL in what week one and
Speaker 1: was doing things by the offseason program and was ready
Speaker 1: for the first day of camp. Tristan tore his in
Speaker 1: week six. Dad whatever, Yeah, same game as Dad, and
Speaker 1: and he's still working on I don't say that to
Speaker 1: say like, oh, he's he's not working hard or anything
Speaker 1: like that. You can't compare injuries. But if you had
Speaker 1: told me that he wouldn't be ready this far into
Speaker 1: training camp back in the spring, I would have been
Speaker 1: surprised by that. I just it just doesn't follow the
Speaker 1: timeline that I'm used to. Again, not hating on the guy,
Speaker 1: but it is interesting. And as the same thing with Chauncey,
Speaker 1: like if you're not mixing in and doing things now,
Speaker 1: it's to lean toward thinking like, okay, there, it's not
Speaker 1: expecting you to be ready for the start of the season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this is gonna be This is another example
Speaker 1: of cut down day is going to be interesting. The
Speaker 1: next day is going to be just as interesting. You know,
Speaker 1: there there are going to be players I think that
Speaker 1: get cut that will be on the team forty eight
Speaker 1: hours later. And because of that, I think you've got
Speaker 1: because you've got guys like Tristan Hill, who I would imagine,
Speaker 1: you know, he'll probably be on the roster first day
Speaker 1: and then and then maybe move to the pup list,
Speaker 1: which and is that how that works? Because honestly, starting
Speaker 1: on the season, pup has been kind of rare here
Speaker 1: at least, like that doesn't happen to a lot of guys.
Speaker 1: So you've got to I know, you can't go to
Speaker 1: injured reserve, but is it the same thing with pup,
Speaker 1: Like you got to be on the team for a
Speaker 1: day before they can do that. Well maybe maybe, okay,
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe I'm I'm miss boke I are
Speaker 1: to return, That's what I'm talking about, okay, And that's
Speaker 1: where he'll have to be on the on the roster
Speaker 1: for for a day. Explain to people what the difference
Speaker 1: is as far as the amount of time you got
Speaker 1: to be out. Is there a difference? Honestly, I don't
Speaker 1: think he could. I don't think you can put a
Speaker 1: guy on PUP if he've already not put him on.
Speaker 1: I think that's a designation for the start of the season.
Speaker 1: But he is right now. He was on the training
Speaker 1: count act, so he's on he's on active pup, which
Speaker 1: and that's and so that that's where the differences. But
Speaker 1: he he counts toward the roster right now, whereas and
Speaker 1: so then if they move him to end season pup,
Speaker 1: then he doesn't count toward the roster. Are I think?
Speaker 1: I think? I think they'll probably put him on IR
Speaker 1: to return is only three weeks? Yeah, through but the
Speaker 1: minimum is three weeks. Yeah, he's gotta be three is
Speaker 1: like six weeks? Right, Yeah, it makes it makes more
Speaker 1: sense I think to put him on IR to return,
Speaker 1: But he's got to start, you know, getting back in there.
Speaker 1: I don't sorry, go ahead, but to do that, he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to be on the roster for one day
Speaker 1: and then they'll you know, they'll cut players and then
Speaker 1: bring them back. I don't get the impression Tristan's going
Speaker 1: to be on the fifty three at the outset, No,
Speaker 1: nor um. Let's let's real quick. We'll take a question
Speaker 1: from Dot's hell on. He is on Twitter, and he says,
Speaker 1: at what point does Kellen Moore get placed on the
Speaker 1: hot seat with consistently early offensive struggles. With consistent early
Speaker 1: offensive struggles and bad red zone execution three years, He's
Speaker 1: not on the hot seat. He's not on the hot
Speaker 1: seat at all, they love him here and maybe not
Speaker 1: three years, but I mean three years years along now
Speaker 1: he's not on the hot seat. Yeah, he's not one.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Does that stem from
Speaker 1: the from from preseason? I just I don't care that
Speaker 1: they bogged out in the red zone when Garrett Gilbert
Speaker 1: and Terrence Steel are playing. I'm sorry. I think that's
Speaker 1: the point I was getting too, is I think a
Speaker 1: lot of fans probably look at last year and they're like,
Speaker 1: there were all kinds of offensive problems. But yeah, there
Speaker 1: were all kinds of offensive problems, and they all stem
Speaker 1: from the fact that basically had your second team out there.
Speaker 1: Two telling quotes. Zeke told us this week that Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore started training camp, the first thing he said to
Speaker 1: the offense was the goal is to be number one.
Speaker 1: The goal is to be the best offense in the league.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy said yesterday that Kellen Moore's relationship with Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott is the most important relationship in the organization. He
Speaker 1: was like, I have a good relationship with Dak, but
Speaker 1: I've told him a hundred times I don't care about
Speaker 1: our relationship half as much as I care about your relationship.
Speaker 1: With Kellen, and that's why he wanted Kellen to call
Speaker 1: the plays. He didn't want Dak to change systems. He
Speaker 1: went through this whole spiel about like the most successful
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are the ones that stay in a system and
Speaker 1: get comfortable and thrive in it rather than changing all
Speaker 1: the time. So first of all, that should tell you
Speaker 1: Kellen's not on any kind of hot scene and he
Speaker 1: decides the league and what could happen also, but well,
Speaker 1: for sure, but I'm going to hold Kellen to that.
Speaker 1: To what Zeke said, if your goal is to be
Speaker 1: the best, yeah, then I'm going to hold you to
Speaker 1: the standard of if they are not top five, and
Speaker 1: you know, Tampa Bay is a different thing, but like
Speaker 1: after a month of the season or so, if they
Speaker 1: don't look like they're clicking, then that's problematic and criticize
Speaker 1: the hell out of you for it. If your goal
Speaker 1: is to be number one, let's be honest. They're probably
Speaker 1: thirty two camps where the offensive coordinator walked into the
Speaker 1: offensive meeting on from day one and said our goals
Speaker 1: would be the best offensive the league. They have the
Speaker 1: personnel to back it up. I get that, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like that to me Zeke saying that, he
Speaker 1: said that everybody's saying that, by the way, it happened
Speaker 1: in the defensive room, and I don't think any of
Speaker 1: us think this defense is going to be the top
Speaker 1: of the league. Yeah, okay, And maybe Mike McCarthy said
Speaker 1: that yesterday too. He was like, everybody thinks they're going
Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl at this time of year,
Speaker 1: Well do they? That's at least what they're telling their team.
Speaker 1: There are there's got to be at least six teams
Speaker 1: right now where the coaches are watching tape and they're
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, but they're not telling. They're
Speaker 1: not telling. Okay, I don't care. Kellen Moore has the
Speaker 1: personnel to be the best off in league and that
Speaker 1: is the standard. They don't have to be numbers of today.
Speaker 1: Let's say that, because you know that's the thing. Injuries
Speaker 1: are an issue. They don't have to be number one.
Speaker 1: But if everybody's healthy, this should be a top five
Speaker 1: scoring and yardage and efficiency offense. And that is let's
Speaker 1: stand that's what I expect. So I play better in
Speaker 1: the first quarter of games, and that it does go
Speaker 1: on the preparation of the team offensive coordinator all that
Speaker 1: they need to come out and have better opening drives. Um,
Speaker 1: we've seen it in the past where they have been
Speaker 1: really good at that and it sets the tone for
Speaker 1: the entire game. So they need to do that way
Speaker 1: better than they've had in the past. All right, let's
Speaker 1: get a phone call from Javier and Austin. Javier, what up? Hey?
Speaker 1: Guy taught to going uh the first time caller? Um
Speaker 1: A two questions for y'all. One, I was just wondering
Speaker 1: if there was I don't any update, you know on
Speaker 1: the Marcus Lawrence. I know, I guess like the overall
Speaker 1: vibe of him is that he's gonna be ready on
Speaker 1: the season opener. But I was just wondering if I
Speaker 1: can get an update on that. And then my my
Speaker 1: second point is my ready a question? You know, on
Speaker 1: yesterday's show, y'all kind of talked about how, you know,
Speaker 1: how Cooper was still the the number one receiver on
Speaker 1: the team, and although I guess you could say at
Speaker 1: the time that it is true, I guess my point is, like,
Speaker 1: moving forward, could his injury history you know, proved to
Speaker 1: be that CD Lamb is now the number one because
Speaker 1: he has proven of course, albeit it's been one year
Speaker 1: to be available for every week. And then I guess
Speaker 1: my reference for that is, you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: in the NBA, whereas Kawhi Leonard, like, you know, for
Speaker 1: a long time, people were saying that he was going
Speaker 1: to be a better a Lebron, he was going to
Speaker 1: be the best player in the league, you know, day
Speaker 1: and day out. But for him, his biggest thing, he's
Speaker 1: not available every day or for every game. And that's
Speaker 1: the guys. Then thanks, let's talk about that one first. Um,
Speaker 1: the to me, you know who who decided The Cowboys
Speaker 1: don't decide necessary other than paying them. But in the
Speaker 1: you know, each game, the defense decides who a number
Speaker 1: one receivers, not the offense. So um, they'll let they'll
Speaker 1: let you know what you know, what they're trying to do,
Speaker 1: you know, and and who they're trying to take away
Speaker 1: and all that. I mean, I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: it's so close it doesn't matter. But I do I
Speaker 1: do think that there is there's a reason why the
Speaker 1: Raiders got rid of them. I mean, they just wanted
Speaker 1: to cut ties with him, and they were maybe fed
Speaker 1: up with the nagging stuff. It's not major stuff, it's
Speaker 1: just nagging injuries. We still see it now, and they
Speaker 1: wanted to part ways with it, and they got a
Speaker 1: first round pick for it. And I think both sides
Speaker 1: would probably say that they're happy for with it. I
Speaker 1: don't think so. You think the Raiders are happy with
Speaker 1: what they're getting out of Jonathan Abrams, I don't. I
Speaker 1: doubt it and and Amory, but they wanted They didn't
Speaker 1: think he was gonna match with their car anymore, and
Speaker 1: they were tired of messing with it. I'm thrilled that
Speaker 1: he's here, but that John Gruden did something stupid like
Speaker 1: John and John Gruden strikes me, which so I was
Speaker 1: about to go on a whole different rant. Why do
Speaker 1: we call Amari Cooper injury prone? Is it because he
Speaker 1: pulled himself out of the Jets game after three plays?
Speaker 1: Is that why? Because I'm looking at it, he's missed
Speaker 1: one game in the time that he's been a cowboy
Speaker 1: one he's been he played sixteen games last year, he
Speaker 1: played sixteen games, And you're like, what is it because
Speaker 1: he's on the injury you know what it is. You
Speaker 1: know what it is. It's it's that, It's it's stuff
Speaker 1: like this, it's our show when we're talking about throughout
Speaker 1: the leak, Well, Amari, I don't know if he's gonna
Speaker 1: play this week. He shows up every Sunday. He has
Speaker 1: injuries throughout the week, and so people will and so
Speaker 1: for for fans who are out there listening, it feels
Speaker 1: like he's always injured, even though he's really showing up
Speaker 1: for games, and so it doesn't really matter. This isn't
Speaker 1: And that's what this goes back to what we were
Speaker 1: talking about before, Like fans just want the peace of mind,
Speaker 1: like they don't want to have to think about you. Right,
Speaker 1: But guess what this isn't Madden right likes football. This
Speaker 1: is a ridiculously violent game. Cooper actually went through it.
Speaker 1: He went in detail about that Jets thing the other day.
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, I could barely walk on Monday
Speaker 1: after the Packers game, Like I my bone bruise. He
Speaker 1: was like, it hurt, Like hell, I don't even know
Speaker 1: how I got ready to go. And then the exact
Speaker 1: thing that I was terrified of happening happened. He caught
Speaker 1: a ball in the flat on the second play of
Speaker 1: the game and got tackled right onto it, and he
Speaker 1: was just like, holy crap like I can't do it.
Speaker 1: And if that still rubs you the wrong way, that's fine.
Speaker 1: He pulled himself out. He was healthy enough to get
Speaker 1: into the game. If it bothers you, the guys played
Speaker 1: like basically every game since he got here. I don't
Speaker 1: care when how much he's on the injury report. He
Speaker 1: is not a hurt guy. He hasn't been. That doesn't
Speaker 1: there's no evidence to back you up when you say that.
Speaker 1: I don't remember where I was going, But that's just
Speaker 1: something that's always kind of annoyed me. So if CD
Speaker 1: overtakes him as the number one receiver in Amari is healthy,
Speaker 1: then CD's probably overtaking everybody but three or four players
Speaker 1: in the league as one of the top players, which
Speaker 1: and that could absolutely happen. Like if CD, if he
Speaker 1: builds on this, on what he's looked like, we absolutely
Speaker 1: might be talking about him as like one of the
Speaker 1: ten best receivers in the league by the time the
Speaker 1: season's over. I mean maybe absolutely. And that's what do
Speaker 1: I always say when this comes up. I just say
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to go there yet, because Amari has
Speaker 1: this amazing resume and I've seen him do it and
Speaker 1: we're still projecting with Lamb. Even though it looks like
Speaker 1: a safe projection, I still want to see it, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's no go ahead. I was gonna say that.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing I was I was mentioning on
Speaker 1: our show Wednesday, was that the both things can be true.
Speaker 1: Amari can still be a great receiver and Cedee Lamb
Speaker 1: can ascend to being one of the top five receivers
Speaker 1: in the league. That can be Both of those things
Speaker 1: can be true. And by the way, when you were
Speaker 1: talking about the defenses determine who's going to be the
Speaker 1: number one receiver that also can fluctuate game to game,
Speaker 1: possession to possession. There may be certain situations in games
Speaker 1: where teams are like, this is the guy we need
Speaker 1: to take away in this situation red zone. They're going
Speaker 1: to be concerned about Cede Lamb. There may be other
Speaker 1: situations where they're like, well, more concerned about Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1: So look, both of them can exist as that level
Speaker 1: of great wide receiver. Ever, I just think Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: is on a trajectory where he might be one of
Speaker 1: the best in the league, if not the best in
Speaker 1: the league. At some point here in the next year
Speaker 1: or two years, three years, he could be. This is
Speaker 1: a column that I'm working on. But this team needs
Speaker 1: to get out of the six and ten mode in
Speaker 1: more ways than one. Obviously, they were six and ten
Speaker 1: last year. If you look at that, this year, they'll
Speaker 1: get out of it. Yeah, well I definitely will. But
Speaker 1: but with with seventeen games schedule. But if you look
Speaker 1: at where they are, like when they were winning championships
Speaker 1: and the nineties, I mean you could say they had
Speaker 1: top five quarterback, running back, receiver, tight end, you know,
Speaker 1: and then of course the offensive line and all that stuff. Safety.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have a top five other
Speaker 1: than guard. I don't know if they have a top five.
Speaker 1: I think they have a lot of six to tens.
Speaker 1: They are a lot of that. So clever. Where when
Speaker 1: did this pop into your head? Was that like a
Speaker 1: shower thought? No, that's what you know. You do your
Speaker 1: best thinking? No, no, no, no, I just were when
Speaker 1: I'm working out, that's my best thinking. Well, no, six
Speaker 1: to ten though, And honestly, I just I just did
Speaker 1: the six and ten record reference just now, like ten
Speaker 1: seconds ago. But six and ten I was thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: they I think if you look at the best quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: We can argue all day long, but I just think
Speaker 1: Dak is probably right there, right there. It's like Romo
Speaker 1: always was, like right about seven or eight, like Zeke
Speaker 1: right right now, that's where he kind of is. I
Speaker 1: think that's where Cooper is. Hell, CD might jump in
Speaker 1: there too. At the tight end. We're not there yet.
Speaker 1: I think Tyran Smith he's gonna have to prove it.
Speaker 1: But I think right now they're voting him, you know,
Speaker 1: they're putting him in that six, seven, eight, nine, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe maybe Lyle's a right tackle, maybe
Speaker 1: in the six to ten. But other than other than
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, they've got really really good players. They need
Speaker 1: to play like an elite status and I think if
Speaker 1: you start winning, you would get there. But they need
Speaker 1: to get more guys from the six and ten range
Speaker 1: into the top five. I'll tell you this, really, the
Speaker 1: one that's most important is the quarterback. Okay, if you
Speaker 1: look at it, you look at the teams that have
Speaker 1: a lot of great success, there's one common denominator. That
Speaker 1: quarterback is typically in that top well, there's four. Can
Speaker 1: he cannot really surpass one of the top four right
Speaker 1: now unless he wins the Super Bowl. I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be just if he can have a season, he
Speaker 1: can have a season that puts him into that conversation,
Speaker 1: like if he has an MVP type season, he now
Speaker 1: is in that conversation. Rogers, Mahomes, Brady, and Russell have
Speaker 1: all won it, and they're guys, and they're right there
Speaker 1: after that, then it's about they're all they're all ready
Speaker 1: to just they're primed for it. It's Josh Allen, It's
Speaker 1: it's it was, it was the Shawn Watson. I mean,
Speaker 1: who knows what's going on there? Dak Um miss him.
Speaker 1: Brady's ruining it for everybody. Yeah yeah, get out of yeah,
Speaker 1: like and you know, like Rogers is talking about how
Speaker 1: like Rogers is eyeing retirement clearly like he's only gonna
Speaker 1: do this for a few more years. Brady's yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: But I just I just think it's just it's a
Speaker 1: it's another way of saying that they need to get
Speaker 1: more guys need to be elite, and if they start winning,
Speaker 1: they'll be viewed that way. They'll be viewed that way.
Speaker 1: I think Zeke can get himself back into that top five. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I think he can. But there's a lot of good
Speaker 1: running backs and they're all on the damn schedule. But
Speaker 1: you know, the interesting part about it, if you look
Speaker 1: at the running back position across the league, everybody wants
Speaker 1: to question Zeke, but there are question marks all up
Speaker 1: and down that top five, Like there are very few
Speaker 1: of them that you're like, oh yeah, that definitely. I
Speaker 1: mean there maybe MC questions like Kamara and Kamara and
Speaker 1: Um and I'm thinking about the guy from Tennessee, Um
Speaker 1: and Henry. Those two probably have the least questions because
Speaker 1: they did it last year. Most of those other guys,
Speaker 1: like they had all kinds of problems throughout the year
Speaker 1: last year, if not out for the for most of
Speaker 1: the year, you know. As in case of mccaf, I
Speaker 1: think he's my favorite non cowboy in the NFL. Of Kamara,
Speaker 1: I just think he's awesome. You know, if you have
Speaker 1: a fantasy you love it. He can have a really
Speaker 1: bad game and he got you twenty six points because
Speaker 1: he just called eight passes, right. I just loved his game.
Speaker 1: He looks like he shouldn't be a every down back
Speaker 1: because you're stereotyping, but he definitely is. And he's he's
Speaker 1: a fun player to watch absolutely all right, real, Oh
Speaker 1: we didn't answer the caller's first question. Sorry, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was asking about Tank giving up DeMarcus. When we got
Speaker 1: out to Oxnard, I was like, he looks fine as
Speaker 1: he's ready to go, man, and I they're being smart
Speaker 1: with him and he probably doesn't need it, and that's
Speaker 1: fine by me. But he's gonna be out there week
Speaker 1: one and he's gonna got an opportunity to give Darn's
Speaker 1: a ton of snaps. Right, Yeah, it's it's actually it's
Speaker 1: the same as that. I mean, we we've gotten to
Speaker 1: see more of Gilbert, We've gotten to see more of
Speaker 1: the running backs because as we had to see more
Speaker 1: of him. You gotta remember, this is the first year
Speaker 1: of McCarthy's had preseason games here with the Cowboys. We
Speaker 1: don't know this is kind of his plan. We would
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have been as surprised if he would have
Speaker 1: done it last year. We didn't. We didn't know his
Speaker 1: plan with this. His plan is I saw everybody hurt
Speaker 1: last year. I'm not taking any chances and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I'm more and I mean like I'm not exaggerating.
Speaker 1: July twenty second, I saw DeMarcus working out and I
Speaker 1: was like, he'll he'll be ready. He's not. He's fine.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think you're gonna see those defensive ends
Speaker 1: really good. And I and we're already kind of seeing
Speaker 1: a little bit with Darren and we're like, is this
Speaker 1: what dan quinn does? Because it means Seattle guys, it's
Speaker 1: hard to even remember who they were. You know, legion
Speaker 1: of Boom. You know that they're not every you know,
Speaker 1: they're not names that you know that well. They were good,
Speaker 1: but I think they were a product of the system
Speaker 1: more than anything. And I think we could see that here.
Speaker 1: I think that's part of it. I think the other
Speaker 1: part to it. I want to see how this plays out,
Speaker 1: but I don't think. I mean, at this point, we
Speaker 1: all have seen it. This team is a leaner than
Speaker 1: they've been in the past. You go down the list
Speaker 1: and every like guy, one guy after the other. It
Speaker 1: came back a lot leaner than they were before. And
Speaker 1: I want to see how that plays out in a season.
Speaker 1: Was this something that that was consciously done they I
Speaker 1: mean they the offensive lineman talked about the fact that
Speaker 1: they did a lot more running this offseason and they
Speaker 1: were better conditioned coming into camp. I want to see
Speaker 1: how this all plays out into a season. Does being
Speaker 1: leaner actually helped you throughout a seventeen game season? We'll
Speaker 1: see you think Carol Nash would draw me up a
Speaker 1: plan your I got a plan for you, guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a plan for you guys. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Skid lean, skid lean. Nick was like, but now, I
Speaker 1: mean Jesus, yes, fat boy, Yeah, yeah, forgot but you
Speaker 1: can't run, so I can't. Yeah, you got some figure
Speaker 1: it out. Um, yesterday it got a chance to talk
Speaker 1: to Mike McCarthy a little bit, talk to some of
Speaker 1: the beat writers. It was really good. It was it
Speaker 1: was it was on the record, but it was also
Speaker 1: there's some things that got off the record. It was,
Speaker 1: you know, just real personable and it was great. It's
Speaker 1: great to have those moments when he allows that. And um,
Speaker 1: he said something I thought was really interesting. You know,
Speaker 1: he said about the defense. I think it was about
Speaker 1: the defense more than anything. He said, we got some dudes.
Speaker 1: We got some dudes over there. Said it. He said
Speaker 1: it in a way of like got some you know,
Speaker 1: and and you said leaner, but they're they're also a
Speaker 1: bigger team. They're taller, long more, you know, got more
Speaker 1: presents to them and uh, he you just something about
Speaker 1: the way he said it, you could just tell like
Speaker 1: he is he is. He doesn't want to say it
Speaker 1: yet because you don't want to be burned. But I
Speaker 1: think he believes this defense has made a big jump
Speaker 1: and and and they're going to be a physical team
Speaker 1: that that that hits people. He also said that he
Speaker 1: thought the Minnesota game was going to really turn it
Speaker 1: all around last year. That was exactly how they wanted
Speaker 1: to play games. Balanced, tough, knocking around Dalvin Cook, ball
Speaker 1: flying in the air, comeback, win the game, defense not
Speaker 1: playing well until you absolutely had to and you made
Speaker 1: a stop and you got off the field. Sorry, you
Speaker 1: don't get to play Kirk Cousins more, but when you know,
Speaker 1: but you know it was a good win. Now, there
Speaker 1: was no I mean there was the sound, there was
Speaker 1: the but there wasn't any crowd behind that damn horn
Speaker 1: at honk horn means your quarterback brought us. If you
Speaker 1: hear that, horror means they're scraping your quarterback off the
Speaker 1: ground with a spatchel at them at the Metrodome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he's playing you know, yeah, right, just trying to
Speaker 1: get a football football win here. All right, guys, we
Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us. We'll be back on next Tuesday.
Speaker 1: We'll get you guys. We'll catch up on what happened
Speaker 1: during the game. We'll also get start getting you guys
Speaker 1: ready for the final cuts that'll happen. Like they have
Speaker 1: a cut to eighty next week and then cut to
Speaker 1: the final roster the following week. So we may start
Speaker 1: talking a little bit about that, maybe even start talking
Speaker 1: a little bit about preview of Cowboys versus Buccaneers. We'll
Speaker 1: see about that when when we when we're back for
Speaker 1: Dave Helm and Nicki. But I'm Derek Elton. This has
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