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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where I'm wondering

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Speaker 1: if I should surprise my husband by live streaming our

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Speaker 1: next date night by Killer. It's Friday, August seventh, and

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Speaker 1: on today's show, Big Citrus reecon beats to discuss the

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Speaker 1: news coming out of North Carolina Courage headquarters and WNBA

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Speaker 1: dildo Gate, a situation that has evolved. Plus Naomi makes

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Speaker 1: a run, another Washington Mystics move at the trade deadline,

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Speaker 1: and the Winter Olympics are creeping up on us. It's

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Speaker 1: all coming up right after this Welcome back slices, Happy Friday.

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Speaker 1: Here's what you need to know today in NWSL news,

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Speaker 1: the North Carolina Courage have terminated head coach Sean Nahaus's contract,

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Speaker 1: effective immediately. The news came via a team release late

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday night, ending Naehouse's nearly four year stint at

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Speaker 1: the front of the bench. He first took over in

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Speaker 1: an interim capacity the fall of twenty twenty one, a

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Speaker 1: turmoil for the club. Paul Riley had just been fired

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Speaker 1: for allegedly sexually coercing former players, and Riley was later

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Speaker 1: banned from the NWSL for life. In a press conference Thursday,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina Courage Chief soccer officer and sporting director Carrie

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Speaker 1: Bowley told reporters, quote, in situations like this, there's always

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Speaker 1: a multitude of factors that are considered, and a multitude

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Speaker 1: of factors were considered in this situation. The standards of

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Speaker 1: this club are extremely high. It was felt that there

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Speaker 1: were reasons to make a change to uphold the standards

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Speaker 1: we expect of the North Carolina Courage end quote. Nahas

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Speaker 1: led the Courage to two NWSL Challenge Cup titles and

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Speaker 1: to playoff appearances in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: The Courage are currently a ninth place in the NWSL

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Speaker 1: with nineteen points and a five four and five record.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about this more later in the show. Elsewhere

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Speaker 1: in the NWSL, the league's first ever rivalry weekend is here.

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Speaker 1: The action kicks off with the aforementioned North Carolina Courage.

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Speaker 1: They take on the Houston dasht and at at eight

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Speaker 1: pm Eastern on NWSL Plus and Paramount Plus, followed by

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Speaker 1: the Utah Royals and the Kansas City Current at ten

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Speaker 1: at Ali's sent nore in casey Teal of course, facing

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Speaker 1: the team she just got traded away from. On Saturday,

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Speaker 1: it's Gotham FC versus the Washington Spirit, Orlando Pride against

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Speaker 1: Then finally on Sunday, we've got Chicago Stars FC versus BAFC,

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Speaker 1: and the beef of all NWSL beefs, the Cascadia Rivalry

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Speaker 1: game between the Portland Thorns and Seattle Rain. Longtime Rain

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Speaker 1: player Jess Fishlock summed up the rivalry quite simply to

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Speaker 1: just women's sports, saying, quote, we just hate Portland and

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Speaker 1: so we just really remember that. We don't do anything different.

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Speaker 1: We don't have any kind of rituals. It's just more methodical.

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Speaker 1: It's still football. But also, let's not forget how much

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Speaker 1: we hate Portland. Now, that's the kind of authentic rivalry

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Speaker 1: we love. We'll link to the full weekend schedule in

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Speaker 1: our show notes elsewhere in Footyland, Following a run to

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five European Championship where they lost to

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Speaker 1: spot in FIFA's latest women's rankings. The US had been

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Speaker 1: at the Paris Olympics. Now the Stars and Stripes are

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Speaker 1: number two, Sweden is number three, England is fourth, and

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Speaker 1: Germany is fifth. Now I'm not sure how the US

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Speaker 1: was supposed to fend off Spain without a Euro's type

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Speaker 1: done is outscore opponents eighteen to nothing in their last

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Speaker 1: five matches. It's fine, it's fine. We'll be back up

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Speaker 1: top when it counts. Cieudado Espanya. We'll link to the

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Speaker 1: full rankings in our show notes. Some more general footy news,

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Speaker 1: the nominees for the twenty twenty five Women's Ballon d'Or

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Speaker 1: were announced on Thursday morning. The NWSL is well represented

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Speaker 1: on the shortlist. The Orlando Prides Barbara Banda and Marta,

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Speaker 1: Kansas City Currents tem Wshewinga, Gotham FC's Aster Gonzales, and

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Speaker 1: US women's national team's got some players in there too,

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Speaker 1: Emily Fox and Lindsay Heaps both in the mix. To tennis,

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Speaker 1: Naomi Osaka defeated Denmark's Clara Tawson in the semis of

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Speaker 1: one thousand finals since twenty twenty two. Now, we're recording

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Speaker 1: Osaka is set to compete against Canada's own Victoria Inboco.

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Speaker 1: another WTA one thousand tournament, got underway on Thursday, and

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Speaker 1: all the usual elite suspects, including Arenas Ablenka, who won

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Speaker 1: the final. You can watch select live action on the

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Speaker 1: Tennis Channel and streaming on Fubu, and the US Open

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Speaker 1: here on good Game coming up. In golf news, power

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Speaker 1: is shifting in the LPGA. For the first time since

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Speaker 1: March twenty twenty four, Nellie Korda is not the world

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Speaker 1: number one. She's been eclipsed by twenty two year old

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Speaker 1: tie player Gino Tittikun, who finished the recent AIG Women's

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Speaker 1: Open two strokes ahead of Quorda. This is the second

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Speaker 1: accomplish the feat. Twenty seven year old Korda has struggled

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Speaker 1: the season after she won seven tour events last year.

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Speaker 1: This year, she's earned five top ten finishes in twelve

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Speaker 1: yet won a title. To WNBA News, the Washington Mystics

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Speaker 1: made one more trade ahead of the league's deadline, sending

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Speaker 1: second year forward Aliah Edwards to the Connecticut's Sun in

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Speaker 1: points per game decrease following the additions of Sonya Citron

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Speaker 1: Sheldon was picked fifth in the twenty twenty four draft,

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Speaker 2: Honestly, Sarah, it's one of those situations where it's a

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Speaker 2: I wanted to see Aliyah putting that work on people

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Speaker 2: after she beat Stewie and Know and Rival and made

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Speaker 1: Maybe she'll have the opportunity to do that in new

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Speaker 2: You know, it's sad as a fan because you romanticize

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Speaker 2: I trust Jamila Wideman and all the other folks in

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Speaker 1: disorderly conduct, assault, and public display of explicit sexual material. Now,

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Speaker 1: charged with disorderly conduct, public indecency, and criminal trespass for

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Speaker 1: the court, we've got a full weekend of WNBA action.

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Speaker 1: There are three games tonight at seven thirty pm Eastern.

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Speaker 1: It's the New York Liberty at the Dallas Wings and

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Speaker 1: the Washington Mystics at the Minnesota Links. Both those contests

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Speaker 1: some random tightness in her back while dribbling down the court.

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Speaker 1: a Sistar Asia Wilson, coming off a game worth celebrating,

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Speaker 1: becoming the fastest player in WNBA history to reach five

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Speaker 1: you there, yep, Hey lots to talk about today, and

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Speaker 1: I want to start with the North Carolina Courage and

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Speaker 1: the firing of their head coach. This was shocking news

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Speaker 1: for length of time that involved little to no information

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Speaker 3: The Courage, Extremely tense. The whole thing was kind of

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Speaker 3: set up as if, Hey, this is just our normal

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Speaker 3: know there are some other questions. And the number of

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Speaker 3: think it was at least twelve. I stopped counting after twelve,

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Speaker 3: and by the end the media was also kind of

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Speaker 3: or including the multitude of factors. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I go back to.

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Speaker 3: The eight support actually pulled up the specific language. And

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Speaker 3: one of the issues that was unearthed in the Yates

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Speaker 3: so the eighth Report includes the following line quote to

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Speaker 3: and that teams hiring coaches have accurate information about a

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Speaker 3: statement that the North Carolina Courage put out not naming

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Speaker 3: truly is a multitude of factors that involve just on

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Speaker 3: given the history of this league, they are making everyone

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just to remind folks of the statement I read earlier,

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Speaker 1: it's very quick, just says the North Carolina Courage remain

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Speaker 1: it terminated the contract immediately. And the emphasis on professional

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Speaker 1: seems pretty important there. And to your point, Alex, not

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Speaker 1: kind of vagueness. But it's no wonder that, but the

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Speaker 1: told the players why this man was fired with a

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what really stood out to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to agree. I as you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: I will say to me, it's not just the courage,

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Speaker 2: not good at this point. Like you've got, at this rate,

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Speaker 2: That's all I'm gonna say about that. I don't want

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Speaker 2: We're in crisis management mode and that's something that's very

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Speaker 1: And I think the best case scenario is that something

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if something happened with Sean where it was just

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Speaker 1: Gate in the WNBA is something that started out weird

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Speaker 1: fully gotten to a quote unquote gait and leaves us

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Speaker 1: asking a lot of questions about who are the people

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Speaker 1: throwing them? Is there a larger intent or to quote

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Speaker 1: the guy who was arrested in this most recent case,

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Speaker 1: was it just a trending on social media thing that

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Speaker 1: he thought was funny and he wanted to be a

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Speaker 1: part of mish. What's your biggest takeaway as we're seeing

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Speaker 1: more of these incidents.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's it's really tough because, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: we did poke fun at it at first here on

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Speaker 2: our show. And as someone who's queer, like, dildos are cool,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, dill, those are fun. They're

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Speaker 2: they're fun, They're funny.

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Speaker 1: Don't be trying to take dildo's for queer people. Huh,

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Speaker 1: We're trying to steal dildo's for old queer people. As

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Speaker 1: someone who's queer, I can appreciate it. Bitch, Okay, we're bad.

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Speaker 2: I mean to say nothing about you, straight to your dildos.

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Speaker 1: My bad dildo's are for the whole family. Jesus, maybe

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Speaker 1: not for the whole family. I'll take that out of context.

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Speaker 2: But now now the whole thing just feels hella disrespectful man, Like,

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Speaker 2: at first, I think I was hoping there was some

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Speaker 2: connection to I don't know, maybe there's some queer group

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Speaker 2: out there or a group out there that's trying to

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Speaker 2: create a fan club and trying to draw attention organically,

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Speaker 2: and maybe that's why they're doing this thing that has

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Speaker 2: the potential.

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Speaker 1: To go viral.

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Speaker 2: But now it just feels gross. It feels disrespectful. And

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Speaker 2: I actually really appreciated something I heard Ro's Golden would

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Speaker 2: I say on the Good Follow Show when she was

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Speaker 2: talking about it, and she said something along the lines

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Speaker 2: of what could be more misogynistic than throwing literal penises

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Speaker 2: at women while they're at work and trying to work

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Speaker 2: and in the middle of, you know, the CBA negotiations,

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Speaker 2: in the middle of what is still a pivotal moment

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Speaker 2: for the players in the league. Like, it just feels

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Speaker 2: extremely misogynous, it feels extremely disrespectful, and it's got just

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Speaker 2: a negative, like sour taste to it. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if this is something we need to hear from capy on.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if this is like what the next

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Speaker 2: step is, whether we hear from the WNBPA.

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Speaker 1: But it sucks.

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Speaker 2: It just really sucks. To see it come to this

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Speaker 2: point and have it start as something that felt so light.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree with that. It reminds me a

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Speaker 3: lot of how TV broadcasters handling instances of streaking during games,

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Speaker 3: and so there's a rule in the industry if somebody

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Speaker 3: is streaking across the field, you don't put the camera

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Speaker 3: on them because that just encourages more people to do

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Speaker 3: it moving forward. And so now that we're seeing that

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Speaker 3: it is very much a trend, I worry sometimes like

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Speaker 3: how drawing attention to it further is contributing to people

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Speaker 3: throwing sex toys on the floor, And so there's that

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Speaker 3: element for me. I also think I want to separate

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Speaker 3: the idea of like it's being dangerous, yes, one hundred percent,

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Speaker 3: and the idea of like it's sexist. And I think

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Speaker 3: sometimes like there's a concern where if you are having

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Speaker 3: fun with something, you are then negating the fact that

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Speaker 3: it's also dangerous. And I think we can both say like,

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Speaker 3: this is very dangerous and also like let's own it,

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Speaker 3: because by owning it and having fun with it, like

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Speaker 3: you get to have the last laugh, you're taking that

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Speaker 3: away from the people that are doing it to you,

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Speaker 3: Like what.

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Speaker 1: Do you mean by that, Like that the league and

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Speaker 1: the players should continue to make it fun in order

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Speaker 1: to remove whatever other intention is behind it if there

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Speaker 1: is something malicious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the things I was reminded of a

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Speaker 3: little bit is for years and years we always heard

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Speaker 3: no one watches women's sports and to then see together

502
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Speaker 3: make six million dollars on everyone watches women's sports shirts.

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Speaker 3: They took this idea that has just like infiltrated this

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Speaker 3: entire space that we all love, and rather than just

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Speaker 3: trying to like combat one person at a time, they

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Speaker 3: turned it into their own thing. And so that's kind

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Speaker 3: of what I think about in this instance of how

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Speaker 3: do you own it and have fun with it and

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Speaker 3: like take the power away from the people that are

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Speaker 3: throwing it, because then it's not fun for them anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it reminds me a little of like

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Speaker 1: the word bitch. There's some really powerful and thoughtful essays

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Speaker 1: about reclaiming the word and using it in a positive

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Speaker 1: way to strip it of the misogyny. But I think it's,

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Speaker 1: like any other word or action, the intent is in

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Speaker 1: the person, and there is a feeling that even if

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Speaker 1: the league and the players and the fans and the

518
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Speaker 1: media all kind of try to make light of it

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Speaker 1: and make it funny and take away that ability of

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Speaker 1: the people throwing it to have any sort of power

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Speaker 1: in the situation. The groups who will find humor or

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Speaker 1: misogyny or get a rise out of doing it, will

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Speaker 1: pardon the pun will do so anyway regardless of what

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Speaker 1: the other side is saying or doing. Best case scenario,

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Speaker 1: they will be like, this isn't fun anymore because it's

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Speaker 1: not having the impact we intended. Worst case scenario, they

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Speaker 1: don't really care what true fans of the w or

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Speaker 1: players say about it. They continue to see themselves as

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Speaker 1: having gotten one over on the league. And again, you know,

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Speaker 1: to the point I mentioned earlier, it is possible that

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Speaker 1: that dude who threw one the most recent time and

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Speaker 1: got arrested really did think, oh, I've been seeing this

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Speaker 1: on TikTok, I've been seeing people throw dildo's, and now

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do that. That's funny, and didn't have

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Speaker 1: other intent. But I think the worry and the fear.

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Speaker 1: Tamisha's point about Roz's statement is that it could be

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Speaker 1: people showing up in a space of predominantly black often

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Speaker 1: queer women in a space that feels like it's of

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Speaker 1: late being penetrated pardon the pun by folks who don't belong,

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Speaker 1: by folks who aren't really on board, by folks who

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Speaker 1: aren't in on the joke with us, and that's felt

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Speaker 1: unsafe or toxic lately, and this feels like maybe the

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Speaker 1: latest in that. And I think anytime we don't know

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Speaker 1: the intention behind something, we have to be careful not

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Speaker 1: to assign meaning, but we can certainly ask questions about meaning,

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Speaker 1: particularly when it feels like it's always men who are

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Speaker 1: doing this, at least that's who've been caught so far.

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Speaker 1: This is worth noting that there's this epidemic year's running

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Speaker 1: of Buffalo Bills fans in the NFL throwing dildos onto

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Speaker 1: the field when they're playing the New England Patriots. Again.

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Speaker 1: Who knows if it's some sort of homophobic backed concept,

552
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Speaker 1: but once it happened once or twice, now it happens

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Speaker 1: all the time, And I can't say that every time

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Speaker 1: someone does it it has some sort of meaning about

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Speaker 1: the people on the field or anything else, So I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Just worth noting that this isn't the only

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Speaker 1: time that we've seen sporting events or a particular league

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Speaker 1: impacted by this, but context always matters, and the context

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Speaker 1: of this being a women's league, to me, just point

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Speaker 1: where women aren't at work certainly is something to consider

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Speaker 1: as we're trying to figure this out. Anyway, we'll obviously

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Speaker 1: get some more information about actually both situations, both the

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Speaker 1: North Carolina Courage and Dildo Gate. Either way, can we

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