1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Warning for some pretty intense transphobia and miss gender ing. 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: Eighty year old Julie Jaman was permanently banned from her 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: local y m c A after demanding that a transgender 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: worker leave the women's locker room. Jaman said that she 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: was trying to protect little girls from a biological man 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: and a women's swimsuit who was watching them undressed. So 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: this week, a few dozen people joined Jaman to protest 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: the y m c A. Some of the protesters, including her, 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: were assaulted by lunatics men dressed as women. Okay, first 10 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: of all, that granny rocks, But when pressed, Poor Towns 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: and Washington police said that Mr Mrs Jayman had an 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: emotional response to a strange male being in the bathroom 13 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: and helping a young girl take off her bathing suit. Well, 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: I should hope the response to that would be emotional, Yeah, 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: because this, you know, you can just picture this kind 16 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: of situation where they're rooming little kids, uh, completely inappropriately, 17 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: and you're you're you're doing the thing that a lot 18 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: of people want you to do and that a lot 19 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: of people watching would But I hope everybody is aware 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: that this, from what I understand, is pretty wonderful profit 21 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: for big pharma and medical systems. It's and what's happening 22 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: to children becomes even more disastrous. And you were protecting 23 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: the kids. You were protecting the kids. I mean, they 24 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: should have a responsibility to do that. The Young Men's 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: Christians Association UH should be doing that themselves if they 26 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: were playing any role in this whatsoever. It's pretty frightening. 27 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: This is it could happen here. I'm Garrison, and today 28 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: we're talking about a recent flare up of anti trans 29 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: hate and the anti trans protests and campaigning that's engulfed 30 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: a small town in North and Washington in what conservatives 31 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 1: describe as the culture war front. The past month, for 32 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: right media personalities and anti trans so called feminists have 33 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: partnered together to create an international nexus point for the 34 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: increasing attacks on trans and queer people, resulting in a 35 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: wave of harassment, death threats, and rallies, including an upcoming 36 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: anti trans rally in association with the Proud Boys and 37 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: Three per Centers slated for Saturday, September three. Port Townsend 38 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: is a small city of just around ten thousand people 39 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: located on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington State, just north 40 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: of Seattle. The city has a geographic footprint of just 41 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: under ten square miles. Over the course of the past month, 42 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: the quaint beachside city has become the focus of a 43 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: disinformation campaign against trans people and try gender inclusivity. But 44 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: unless you frequent right wing news outlets, you probably haven't 45 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: heard anything about this story, let alone are aware of 46 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: the massive amount of harassment and death threats being targeted 47 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: at trans people and their allies. Anti trans and far 48 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: right activists have already descended on this small city from 49 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: all around the country and plan to do so again 50 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: on September three, with Proud Boys and three per Centers 51 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: promising to show up. So what actually happened that escalated 52 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: things to this point? On July, an eighty year old 53 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: woman named Julie Jammon was in a pool locker room 54 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: and began verbally harassing a trans woman who was on 55 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: the job as an employee of the Olympic Peninsula y 56 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: m c A. Julie Jammen asked invasive questions about her 57 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: genitals and later accused her of engaging in inappropriate conduct 58 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: while continuously mis gendering this employee. Both the employee and 59 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: y m c A officials and like everyone else present 60 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: in the locker room, have disputed Julie's highly publicized version 61 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: of events, which we'll get into in a bit, but 62 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: first we're going to hear from the original target of 63 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: the harassment. A few days ago, I was able to 64 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: talk with Clementine Young trans woman about what happened to 65 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: her near the end of July while working at the 66 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: y m c A. It was a pretty normal day 67 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: that week. We were doing uh, swimming with the kids, 68 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: uh and man the other childcare workers, uh, you know, 69 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: use the locker rooms kind of as expected, and I 70 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: was using the woman's locker room just because you know, 71 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: that works for me, um, and that lines up with 72 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: how I feel. We went through all that no problems. 73 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: We got the kids, the kids got changed and their stalls, 74 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: and then once we were out in the pool, one 75 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: of the kids needed to use the locker room bathroom, 76 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: so I took that kid and another kid into the 77 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: locker room in accordance with the wise rule of three system. 78 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: To clarify, at the y m c A, there is 79 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: a quote rule of three where staff always accompany children 80 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: in a group of three, so that a staff person 81 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: is never alone with a child and children are never 82 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: alone with each other. As Clementine was standing with a 83 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: kid outside the restroom stall, waiting on the other kid 84 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: who was using the bathroom, Julie Gemmond was showering nearby 85 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: in a curtained off stall across the locker room. I 86 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: was waiting outside of the bathroom stall with the kid 87 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: being the buddy, making small talk when Julie Jaman initiated 88 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: the dialogue by asking if I was a member of 89 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: the lgbt Q plus community. I responded, yes, I'm trans 90 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: and she asked me if I had a penis, and 91 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: it kind of caught me off guard. Um, and I 92 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: and I told her that, you know, that's none of 93 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: your business. Um. Julie asserted that I needed to leave 94 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,799 Speaker 1: and that I can't be there. And then in response 95 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: to her assertion, I just shook my head. Now, Um, 96 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: I couldn't really leave or I'd be leaving the kids unattended. 97 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,799 Speaker 1: And you know, I was backed into a corner the kid. 98 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: At some point, Um, the kid using the bathroom exited 99 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: the stall and had her swimming. Her bathing suit like 100 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: wasn't fully pulled up, and she asked me for help, 101 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: and so I assisted her by pulling it up by 102 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: its straps, and you know, there were other patrons present 103 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: in the locker room at this time, and at some 104 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: point around the girl coming out and needing her straps 105 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: pulled up, Julie was back in her shower stall, and 106 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: then around this time, two more kids entered the locker room. 107 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: It might be good to mention I have prescribed glasses. Um, 108 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't wearing my glasses and I couldn't see anything, 109 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: which is kind of terrifying, because you know, it was 110 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: like a shot in the dark, like I just heard 111 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: a voice and I had to search around before I 112 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: figured out who's talking to me. But anyways, uh, the kids, 113 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: two more kids came into the locker room and they 114 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: overheard Julie shouting at me and asked me what was 115 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: going on, and like they had this concerned look on 116 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: their face, and I just kind of told them to 117 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: leave because I didn't want them to get involved. The 118 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: kids went to the pool manager, Rowan, and asked for 119 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: help with the escalating situation. They went straight to her 120 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: and asked her to come help and told her that 121 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: someone was yelling at me. And moments later, Rowan entered 122 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: and as she walked by. I got her attention, and 123 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: I told her, you know, there's an older lady yelling 124 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: at me to leave right now. Uh, And I pointed 125 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: at the shower stall that Julie was using. Roan kind 126 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: of like posted up and Rowan stood in between me, 127 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: the kids, and Julie and waited for her to come out. 128 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: And then Julie you know, poked her head back out 129 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: and said get out, you're a man. Um and Rowan 130 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: you intervened when she sort of like popped back out 131 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: and said, no, actually, you need to leave because right 132 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: now you're discriminating and kind of being a bigot. So 133 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: it's actually that you need It's actually you that needs 134 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: to leave right now. And Julie told Rohan she was 135 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: confused about gender. And then Julie pointed at me and said, 136 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: he has a fucking penis. He has no business being 137 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: around little girls. He has a penis, and he could 138 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: rape someone. And after that, Rowan uh sort of ushered 139 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: me and the girls out of the locker room and 140 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: uh told me to go to her office, and then 141 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: the other staff members found me and helped me. Um 142 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: and Rowan stood outside the lobby side of the office 143 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: when I was in there, and um, I guess like, yeah, 144 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: after the police have been called, Julie came out and 145 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: engaged with her, uh, and they were yelling, but I 146 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: kind of hear what was going on, and I mean, 147 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: that's kind of the end of it. I know that 148 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: Julie left after that. I just kind of checked out 149 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: for an hour two. It shocked me. I haven't had 150 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: someone do that to me before. I've never been talked 151 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: to in a bathroom or locker room before, especially in 152 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: that way. The y m c A pool manager told 153 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: Julie Gemmen that she needed to leave and suspended her 154 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: membership for violating the Wise Code of Conduct, which prohibits 155 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: quote discrimination, hatred, derogatory or unwelcome comments, intimidation, conduct or 156 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: actions based on an individual's sex, race, ethnicity, age, religion, disability, 157 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: sexual orientation, or any other legally protected status unquote, as 158 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: well as having no tolerance for disrespectful words or just 159 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: ors towards y m c A staff or others. Part 160 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: of an official statement released by the Olympic Peninsula y 161 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: m c A, published as the incident in question was 162 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: growing into a much broader anti trans spectacle, clarified that 163 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: Julie has had quote several incidents where she has repeatedly 164 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: violated the wise Code of conduct, specifically using disrespectful words 165 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: or gestures towards y m c A staff or others, 166 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: and abusive, harassing and or obscene language or gestures towards 167 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: y m c A staff or others. The aquatics manager 168 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: then informed the patron that she was permanently suspended from 169 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: Mountain View Pool and all Olympic Peninsula y m c 170 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: A facilities unquote. After Julie was banned from the pool 171 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: on Monday, August one, she started showing up outside the 172 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: facility with anti trans signs and led a small group 173 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: of people into a city council meeting, resulting in an 174 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: hour of public comment logged about the incident. Here is 175 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: some of the statement Julie read in the city council meeting, 176 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: which also gives a look at her version of events 177 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: at this time. Podium, state your name and where you 178 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: live for the record, Peninsula, and I'm here because I 179 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: had an experience that you need to know. I have 180 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: sent it to you all in detail. In an effort 181 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: by the city and the y m c A to 182 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: apply the neocultural gender rules at Mountain View pool dressing 183 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: shower room facilities, women and children are being put at risk. 184 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: My experience while showering after my swim was hearing a 185 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: man's voice in the women's dressing area and seeing a 186 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: man in a women's swimsuit watching little girls pull down 187 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: their bathing suits in order to use the toilets in 188 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: the dressing room. I reacted by telling him to leave, 189 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: and the consequences that I have been banned from the pool. 190 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: There is no signage informing women the shower room is 191 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 1: now all gender and what that means, Nor have parents 192 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: been informed of what they can expect with these news policies. 193 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: The why has not provided any dressing shower room options 194 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: for women who do not want to be exposed to 195 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: men who identify as women. The y m c A, 196 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: the city, the police and sheriff's, the parents, the professionals 197 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: who assist victims of royealism, peeping tom's, pedophilia, and assault 198 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: need to come together to figure out how to make 199 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: the new policies work for all pool patrons, not just 200 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: one group. How to keep children who are less able 201 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 1: to discriminate safe. It is ironic that women who discriminate 202 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: when a situation threatens their safety or their children. A 203 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: message from our ancestors are now cused of discrimination as 204 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: if they have made someone else a victim. We need 205 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: to do much more intelligence and wise about applying the 206 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 1: rules and developing policies that are respectful and inclusive. Thank you, 207 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: thank you so. Just a few notes about that. Trans 208 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: inclusivity at the Y is not some new policy. For years, 209 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: it's been literally Washington state law that people have the 210 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: right to access the locker rooms, changing rooms, and bathrooms 211 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: that align with their gender identity. This has been the 212 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: case since the law states, quote, entities shall allow individuals 213 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: to use the gender segraded facilities such as westrooms, locker rooms, 214 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: dressing rooms, and homeless or emergency shelters that are consistent 215 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: with at individual's gender expression or gender identity unquote. And 216 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: regarding Julie's account of the incident, there have been no 217 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: complaints from children or parents who are using the pool, 218 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: and multiple accounts conflict with Julie's telling of the story, 219 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: as the employee never did help anyone undress, nor was 220 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: watching anyone change. Throughout this city Council meeting, there were 221 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: several public comments in support of trans rights that pushed 222 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: back on Julie's outrageous claims and called out the overall 223 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: trend of mis gendering and the groomer style transphobia. At 224 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: the end of the meeting, city officials themselves took a 225 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: stand against the transphobic rhetoric that was present throughout the 226 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: hour of public comments. Oddly enough, for this show, one 227 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: of the people I interviewed for this episode serves as 228 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: a Port Townsend City councilwoman. My name's Libby winstrom Um. 229 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: I'm an elected city councilor for the City of Port Townsend, 230 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: and I'm speaking today on as myself rather than as 231 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: a representative of the city or a representative of the 232 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: city council as a whole. When did you first kind 233 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: of hear about this thing that's now ballooned into this 234 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: larger issue with people coming in from out of state 235 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: to do protests and all this kind of stuff. I 236 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: think I first heard about it on Sunday night, which 237 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: would have been I guess the thirty one of July. 238 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: And I heard about it from the y m c 239 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: A Aquatics director Rowan mackins Um, and it was more 240 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: in the tone of kind of a heads up that 241 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: this was a thing that was going on, and then 242 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: I heard a lot more about it the next day, 243 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: which was Monday, the first of August UM when uh 244 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: Julia Jaman showed up at the pool with a whole 245 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: group of people doing a protest that they were picketing 246 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: at the pool, and she also sub had a public 247 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: comment to the City council meeting that night. And at 248 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: that point I realized that a group of people, including Julie, 249 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,719 Speaker 1: was probably going to plan on attending the City council 250 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: meeting UM and reached out to some friends and acquaintances 251 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: in the UM trans and Allies community, UM Olympic Pride, UM, 252 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: the Social Justice Group and at the Unitarian Church here 253 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: in town and various other people who had been kind 254 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: of resourced and say, hey, this is going on, you 255 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: need to be aware of it. And in fact, that 256 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: night there was over an hour of public comment. There 257 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: wasn't anything on these council agenda. There wasn't anything we 258 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: were discussing. It wasn't really a matter. It wasn't really 259 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: i think, even on the city's radar. But people showed 260 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: up the City council meeting. And normally when there's a 261 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: public comment about an item that's not on the agenda. 262 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: They cut off public comment at half an hour, but 263 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, let it run that night, so it 264 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: was well over an hour of public comment. And some 265 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: of the things said, we're pretty shocking, and um, you know, 266 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: to the to the tune of that you know all 267 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: transgender people were pedophiles, or that you know, this was 268 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: a rape happening, and some some stamons that were just 269 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: not true. And then based on what I heard that night, 270 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: I was really concerned and felt that this was both 271 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: you know, this was ballooning out of proportion, which now 272 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: seems kind of funny given how much more balloon it's 273 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 1: out of proportion. It's gotten. There's not really any action 274 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: here for the city or for the pool. I mean, 275 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: one of the things that Julia Jaman has retained legal 276 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: counsel and sent a demand letter to the city. But 277 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: her demands were like, well, you should fire people, Well 278 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: they don't work for the city. There y m c 279 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: a place. Um, well you should change your policy. Well 280 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: the policy is literally stayed law and you know a 281 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: bunch of things, so it's just you can't do this. Um, 282 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: So it's not really clear why this is all focusing 283 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: on the city because the city doesn't really have there's 284 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: not really any action that the city could take here. 285 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: On top of the dozens of people Julie lead in 286 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: giving public testimony, which largely consisted of transphobia, miss gender ring, 287 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: and baseless accusations that trans people are pedophilic inherently. But 288 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: that same day, August one, she also led a protest 289 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: outside of the y m c A. To learn more 290 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: about this, I talked with Cass and Raven, who are 291 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: both part of a local affinity group. The first protest 292 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: was August first, and they announced that they'd be back 293 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: the same time on the second, third, and fourth, So 294 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: the second drew a much larger counter protest um, and 295 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: then a lot of the same people who were there 296 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: on the second came back the third and fourth, but 297 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: there was nobody to counter protest against because the protesters 298 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: gave up and went home after one day when they 299 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: saw the kind of backlash they were facing, And most people, 300 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: I think, thought that was the end of it, But 301 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: people who do this kind of thing more often realized 302 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: that this was more likely the vibe of the beginning 303 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: stages of something bigger. A lot of red flags went 304 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: off when we found out they were protesting at a 305 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: city council meeting planning to come back the following week. Oh, 306 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: that's right. That was The other thing was the council 307 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 1: meeting on the first, where there was a lot of 308 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: public comment logged. It seemed to us like this was 309 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: going to escalate further, but other people um tended to 310 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: feel that it was going to be a quick, you know, 311 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: one and done type thing with how fast the news 312 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: cycle picks up a new issue. And I think it 313 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: was probably about a week later on the council meeting 314 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: on the eighth, because by that point we knew about 315 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: the planned urf action on the fifteen. That's when it 316 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: started to click for a lot of people that this 317 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: was going to become a bigger thing. But I don't 318 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: think anybody, including us, thought it was going to become 319 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: an ongoing issue. When I searched Court Townsend on Twitter 320 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: and saw trending hashtags on a wall of anti transferator, 321 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: a lot of red flags went off. Since the city 322 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: council public comments, the y m c A had started 323 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: receiving threatening phone calls, and Jamen had been returning to 324 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: facility nearly daily with some friends to protest, approaching everybody 325 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: coming in and out of the pool and talking about 326 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: how men are allowed in the locker room and bearing 327 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: signs that miss gendered the employee. Julius group had said 328 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: they were going to be picketing every day at the 329 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: pool that week. Um that they showed up and they 330 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: were about a hundred counter counterprochesters isn't even really the 331 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: right word, um people that were there. Was sort of 332 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: like a little pride parade there and um, Olympic Pride 333 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: had a kind of a booth table set up and 334 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: we're handing out pride flags and the Social Justice group 335 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: from the kof had a um, you know, standing on 336 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: the side of love banner, and there were kids blowing 337 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: bubbles and and it was just it was much more 338 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: of it. Just kind of a lot of people here. 339 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: As these initial picket style protests were happening in front 340 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: of the y, the head of the Jefferson County Transgender 341 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: Support Group called some friends and assembled this sort of 342 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: counter protest to voice their support for the trans employee 343 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: and the y m c A, which resulted in this 344 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: gay s trans rights party massively overshadowing Julie gemmen and 345 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: her friends little protest. As she was getting outnumbered in person, 346 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: Julie took to alternative tactics by getting in touch with 347 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: media outlets that will give her a soapbox, resulting in 348 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: a new wave of harassment targeted at the y. There 349 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: were about a hundred people and it was I think 350 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: it was Julian one or two other people, and people 351 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: had some conversations with Julie, and it sort of seemed 352 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: like that was going to be the end of it. 353 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: And the next day the pool was closed and about 354 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: fifty trans Right supporters showed up and nobody showed up 355 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: to pick it, and the pool was closed because pool 356 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: employees were receiving death threats and just so much harassment. 357 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: They basically couldn't use their phones because the phone lines 358 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: were jammed and voicemails were filling up in fifteen minutes. 359 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: Things like that, um so, and then the pool ended 360 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: up staying closed, I think from the third which was 361 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: a Wednesday, all the way through that week and the 362 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: and the following week, and it was just kind of 363 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: a safety issue of not wanting to have children present 364 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: for day camps and patrons there if they were going 365 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: to be harassed right after, I think probably on Monday, 366 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: the first um of August, Julie reached out too. There's 367 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: a local sort of far right blog site called the 368 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: Port Townsend Free Press that isn't really a newspaper a 369 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: news source at all. It's it's kind of this this 370 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: one guy, Jim James Guarantino's blog, and she reached out 371 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: to that, and he did an article That first Portstownsend 372 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: Free Press quote unquote article came out to August two 373 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: and served as a mouthpiece for Julie's inflammatory version of events, 374 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: coupled with some conservative transphobia. More reputable news outlets and 375 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: local press didn't really cover the story until it had 376 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: already turned into a idle topic on the right, which 377 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: means there was over a week where the only documented 378 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: right up of the incident was the Port Townsend Free 379 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: Press blog post. Two days after that piece was published, 380 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: Andy Knows the Post Millennial posted an article largely pulling 381 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: directly from the Port Townsend Free Press right up, and 382 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: that was just the start. The next day, August five, 383 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro's The Daily Wire did an article about Julie 384 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: Gammond and the danger of men watching little girls undressed 385 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: in the locker room. Later that night, the story was 386 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: on Laura Ingram's Fox News show, citing reporting from the 387 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: Post Millennial, which of course cited their reporting from the 388 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: Port Townsend Free Press. And across the country in Washington 389 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: State we found perhaps the most maddening story of the week. 390 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: An eight year old grandmother was banned there from her 391 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: y m c A after demanding that a bio logical 392 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: mail leave the woman's locker room where little girls were undressing. 393 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: They then went to play clips of Julie's public comment 394 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: at the city council meeting, amplifying Julie's ever changing, altered 395 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: version of events. Now on the national stage, I think 396 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: the mainstream actual, you know, real local newspapers didn't pick 397 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: it up until the seventh or the tenth, respectively, for 398 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: the Peninsula Daily News and the Leader, and that gap 399 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: when they amplified it out to the larger right wing press. 400 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: This got picked up by Bright Barty, got picked up 401 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: by the Daily Mail. They kept quoting that original portents 402 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: of Free Press article, which was very inaccurate about in 403 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: terms of what it described as having happened, and I 404 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: mean it was both outright wrong and it also left 405 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: a bunch of things out, like that the transgender person 406 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,239 Speaker 1: was a ymc A employee, for instance, or that they 407 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: were in the locker room because they were supervising children. 408 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: Um and uh uh, I think we're really hit a 409 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: crescendo on Thursday, the ninth sheet, now earlier whatever, not 410 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: Thursday's past week, but the previous Thursday. Um, it was 411 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: on Tucker Carlson. And that's where I really saw the 412 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: email volume explode for people from outside the area, where 413 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: it was like, you know, you're getting thirty emails in 414 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: five minutes, and they're from you know, they're from Texas, 415 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: they're from Tennessee, they're from New Jersey, they're from Australia, 416 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: they're from the UK, etcetera. That when it got picked 417 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: up by Fox News, the reach really got broad. The 418 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: first time the story was covered on Tucker Carlson. Tonight 419 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: took place on August eleven, in an episode guest hosted 420 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: by Brian Clemide by m c A has changed a 421 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: lot over the years. Now, women and young girls at 422 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: the y A finding themselves in locker rooms and showers 423 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: with men who identify as women, but they still have 424 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: all their genitalia with them. And if you're complaining to 425 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: the y m c A about the jennet tell you 426 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: and what they're dressed like, you might get yourself banned. 427 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: It's would exactly happen to an eight year old woman 428 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,719 Speaker 1: in Washington State. Here to explain, but not actually make 429 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: excuses for, but explain, is our West Coast correspondent, Seattle 430 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: based radio host Jason Rance. Jason set the scene. Yeah, so, 431 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: I mean, here's the scene. Democrats used to stand up 432 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: for women, but now they can't even define one. And 433 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: as a result, you have eight year old Julie Jamon 434 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: who said she was banned from a pool and locker 435 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: room facility that was managed by the Olympic Peninsula y 436 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: m c A on Port Towns in Washington. Now. She 437 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: said she was headed into the locker room to shower 438 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: and she saw something pretty alarming. She explained what happened 439 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: at this council meeting. Then a clip from the public 440 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: comments please and I will not subject you to that again, 441 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: but here is a little bit more of that clip. 442 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: So a number of residents showed up to support her 443 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: at this council meeting. But the mayor, his name is 444 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: David Faber. He was not pleased, accusing them of transphobia. 445 00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: Townsend is a welcoming community and hate and discrimination has 446 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: no place in this community. I listen to you quietly. 447 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: I would like you to listen to me quietly. Now. 448 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: Given the rise in harassment and bigotry the trans persons 449 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: have experienced recently, it's essential that we all speak up. 450 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: The cis gendered people like me speak up in support 451 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: of our trans community. Now, Jamond says the staff accused 452 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: her of being discriminatory. The YMC put out a statement 453 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: basically saying we're not going to tolerate the bias, discrimination 454 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: or hatred. And of course, in Washington State, the law 455 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: allows anyone to use locker room changeing remember bathroom that 456 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: aligns with their gender identity. So they're basically saying, we're 457 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: doing what we have to do, except, of course, protect 458 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: women who don't want to see this. Unbelievable. That guy 459 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: should be ashamed of himself behind the mask in the 460 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: media after methodist, did you see it alluding to this 461 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: scale or did you think this is just like a 462 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: one and done traumatic incident. Absolutely not, um, I I 463 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: really just thought, you know, oh my my days. Calm. 464 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: I finally had the bad bathroom experience, and and I 465 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: know a lot of people do have that bad experience. Um, nobody, 466 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: nobody is ready for it to be you know, to 467 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: have this much attention called just such a small thing. Um, 468 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: because I wasn't ready for it to be like this, 469 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: because yeah, it's escalated to the point where you're like 470 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: on international news for these like right wing grifters who 471 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: are trying to basically get trends people killed. Um yeah, 472 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: and you're I don't know, it's really it's really upsetting 473 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: to have my face and and name, you know, sort 474 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: of be pushed out like that. And it it's crazy 475 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: how that feeling, the sinking feeling when I saw my 476 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: name and face I don't even think it was my 477 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: face at the time, when I saw my name appear 478 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: on that local PP Free Press article, and you know, 479 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: at the time it was that still a pretty big impact. 480 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: And then to have that just keep happening and it 481 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: got it gets like kind of depressingly numbing. Yeah, just 482 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: have it keep intensifying. I mean, yeah, I've been on 483 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: hormones for almost a year now and I've avoided that 484 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: for kind of reasons like this that it sucks because 485 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: I just feel like, I feel like this is a 486 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: very common experience with trends, people who are like starting out, 487 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: like you just can't really go anywhere because you look 488 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: too weird to go in the men's room and you're 489 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: not quite like you don't feel comfortable the woman's room 490 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: because of stuff like this, and you know, if you're 491 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: not in binary, then if it's a whole other issue, 492 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: like where the fund do I go, Like there's there's 493 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of options sometimes, but then to 494 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: have something that's already very stressful we turned into like 495 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: a fucking like Daily Wire New York Post Info Warship 496 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: is like like what like like it's we like Tucker Carlson, 497 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: like all of it. It's really it's disappointing that there's 498 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: this idea that I, you know, I'm I'm actively trying 499 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: to violate people's space, and and it's really frustrating because 500 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: of how uncomfortable I feel putting myself in that position, 501 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: being in that room. Um, and I don't want to 502 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: have something like this happened, and I don't, you know, 503 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: I don't abuse that space because I'm not some guy 504 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: trying to prey on people I'm I'm just trying to 505 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: use the bathroom and get changed, and and you talk 506 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: about like, oh, you know, walking in penis, hanging out 507 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: and and all of these things. But I don't change 508 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: in the public space. I go into a changing room, 509 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: and you know, I I understand, you know, that confusion, 510 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: and I try to subtract myself from the space as 511 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: much as possible and make it, you know, more comfortable. 512 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: When when I'm in a position like that where I'm 513 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: trying to, you know, sort of entertain a kid who's 514 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: not happy to be a bathroom buddy, and and I'm 515 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: kind of putting that position where I have to talk, um, 516 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: it's super vulnerable and and I just remember feeling small 517 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: and and I just shrunk when she talked to me 518 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: like that. And I don't even the space just got 519 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: so small. Take backing off the groomer and growing anti 520 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: trans attacks we've seen this year a large swath of 521 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,720 Speaker 1: right wing influencers and media personalities jumped on this story 522 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: to drive outrage and push their rhetoric. Here is a 523 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: brief clip from Newsmax. They're more than willing to just 524 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: ignore possible pedophilia happening at the y m c A 525 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: in the locker room. Well, it's from my point of view, 526 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: it seems more like some sort of hypnotism. I know 527 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: the word woke has been put to it, but I 528 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: have to tell you that all public agencies I'm connected 529 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: to as a citizen in a very small town, they 530 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,959 Speaker 1: are all operating with this gender identity. And you've got 531 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,240 Speaker 1: to wonder what is happening and those most private places 532 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: that people, particularly women need to have. We've we've had 533 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: you on we've had you on the show a couple 534 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 1: of times now, and you seem very level headed. Yes, 535 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: very very level headed. Indeed. Um By now, the story 536 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: has been headlined and obviously very mischaracterized and transphobic fashion, 537 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: but still headlined by The Post, Millennial, The Daily Wire, 538 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: Fox News, Daily Mail, Bright Bart News, Max, Info, Wars, 539 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: New York Post, the Federalist, and the quote unquote feminist 540 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: news site Redux. As false retellings about what happened in 541 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: the Olympic Peninsula, y m c A went viral on 542 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: the right. Threatening emails and phone calls started pouring into 543 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: the y m c A, prompting them to shut down 544 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: the entire facility for over a week, leaving many local 545 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: families without childcare services. Intense harassment and death threats were 546 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: sent to city officials who voiced support of trans rights, 547 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: and also to the pool manager. In my conversation with 548 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: Libby Winstrom from last week, she detailed some of the 549 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: threats and the impact the harassment has had on the community. 550 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: A lot more of the ire is now kind of 551 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 1: directed at the city and the mayor and just at 552 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: the pool director and less at employees. UM. The transgender 553 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 1: employee who was you know, attacked in the locker room 554 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: by Julie Dremond is actually no longer. Why UM and 555 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: other people have left is another undisclosed location, just out 556 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: of concern of trying to get the kids as far 557 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: away from this whole process as possible. And and so 558 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: that took a little bit of time in juggling to 559 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: set up, and they were so short staff they were 560 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: actually calling for volunteers in order to try to keep 561 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: the childcare open this week just because UM they were 562 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: already somewhat short staffed, and with people leaving, it had 563 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,280 Speaker 1: just been even harder. UM the y has been open 564 00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: I think all week this week. I think it was 565 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: open Monday, Tuesday. Today's Wednesday. UM. So it has been 566 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: able to reopen. They've they've changed the schedule around. It's 567 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: now not open Saturdays again. UM. And shuffled. And I 568 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: think some staff are working seven days a week in 569 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: order to try to keep it open. UM. People are 570 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: still getting threats. UM, still getting I got a terrible 571 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: email last night. I haven't been getting death threats. I've 572 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: been getting things like, UM, you know you're a disgusting, 573 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: fat pig bitch. Why don't you go back to the buffet? Um? 574 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: And you know, things like that. It hasn't for me 575 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 1: been death threats. UM. The pool director was receiving photographs 576 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 1: of her children saying there next and UM some pretty 577 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: explicit threatening messages like I'm coming for you, I know 578 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: where you are. UM. And mayor favorite has been getting 579 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: similar things. He got one where somebody was threatening to 580 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,919 Speaker 1: come to his home and rape his wife. UM. So 581 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: these have been pretty horrifying messages. For the most part, 582 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: most of the email has voicemails have been coming from 583 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 1: out of the area. You know, they're not they're not local. UM. 584 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: So it's a little hard to gauge whether these are 585 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: serious threats. But at some of you feel like you 586 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: have to take it somewhat seriously. UM, and that I 587 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,760 Speaker 1: think has been pretty disruptive both for the y employees 588 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: and for the city. As Julie's retelling of the story 589 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,439 Speaker 1: was going viral across the right wing and turf media, 590 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: resulting in the pool having to temporarily shut down, so 591 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: called press conference was scheduled outside of another city council 592 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: meeting for August by Julie and her allies. There's a 593 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: local UM she builds yourself as a sort of radical 594 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: feminist UM named Ami Susa, who has a uh so 595 00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 1: anti trans blog site and UM, she has really taken 596 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: this and run with it. So I plugged in, but 597 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: not well, She's really taken this and run with it, 598 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: and has I think has been really this kind of 599 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,720 Speaker 1: driving force between behind a lot of this amplification onto 600 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 1: far right media. UM and Amy Susa held a what 601 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: she built as a press conference on the August fifteenth, 602 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: the night of the most recent UM City Council meeting, 603 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: and showed up with a group of I don't know, 604 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: probably twenty five or thirty supporters and there were estimates 605 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 1: are between three and fifty and four hundred. Um Trans 606 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 1: writes folks from town. I mean that there were local 607 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,399 Speaker 1: who had just showed up and most of them were 608 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,919 Speaker 1: waiting in line to go into the council meeting and 609 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 1: you know, flying flags and raising gland at banners and stuff. UM. 610 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: But there was some heated shouting and one person got 611 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: arrested for shoving. There weren't any charg charges filed. I 612 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: did confirm that with UM UH the Sheriff's office, UM 613 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: that with the courts that that not no charges got 614 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: filed out of that, which is contrary to those stories 615 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: they've been putting out that like there were some charges filed, 616 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,720 Speaker 1: that's not true. I believe there were about three hundred 617 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: people that came out to confront less than twenty UM 618 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,320 Speaker 1: people coming to try and bring hayten to our community. 619 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: And it feels like that really inspired a lot of 620 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: the different networks to get connected. UM. Our personal little 621 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,240 Speaker 1: networks are incredibly white. Most of us are are trends 622 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 1: of Summer guard UM and we were reached out to 623 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: by a local bipop community that we've we've had some 624 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: crossover with, but not a lot. But since this happened, UM, 625 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: just the interconnectivity with with that group has just exploded 626 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: after the press conference protests, footage of the event went viral, 627 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:07,720 Speaker 1: spawning another new wave of right wing media outrage. Clips 628 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: from the quote unquote feminist re Dux magazine Twitter account 629 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,320 Speaker 1: show Julie trying to give a speech while being drowned 630 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: out by chance in support of trans people, and at 631 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: one point someone running behind Julie to rip down a 632 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 1: Suffragette flag put up by one of the turfs, and 633 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: a side note, in some much less viral footage, we 634 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 1: can see turfs trying to rip Pride flags out of 635 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: the hands of people who are counter protesting. So conservative 636 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: coverage of the protest painted a pearl clutching picture of 637 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: scary trans people assaulting women. A few days after the 638 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,800 Speaker 1: press conference, Julie Jammen herself made an appearance on Tucker 639 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 1: Carlson Tonight. Julie Jaman is one of them. She's eighty 640 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: years old. She's duben banned from stepping inside a Y 641 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 1: m C A Y because she dared to object when 642 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: a male employee was assigned to watch little girls remove 643 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: their bathing suits in the bathroom in a women's locker room. 644 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: So this week a few dozen people joined Jaman to 645 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: protest the y m c A. Some of the protesters, 646 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,720 Speaker 1: including her, were assaulted by lunatics men dressed as women. 647 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: Here's some of the footage from that on Monday. You 648 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: may have read some version of my personal experience. A 649 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,320 Speaker 1: naked old lady and the women's shower room and what 650 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: I saw that day. You can see sense woman screaming 651 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,879 Speaker 1: at her. Julie Jaman is the woman, the brave woman. 652 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: Just on the video she joins us sight Julie, thanks 653 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 1: so much. We're grateful that you are joining us. Why 654 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,400 Speaker 1: at this stage in your life are you taking it 655 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: upon yourself to to speak up against this in the 656 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 1: face of what we just saw. I was in the 657 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,320 Speaker 1: shower and I saw that man in that women's suit, 658 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: and I saw him watching little girls. You can't not 659 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: act when you see that going on. You must do something, 660 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,879 Speaker 1: So I and and bless you for doing that. That's 661 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: exactly right. Your your moral sense is just is clear. 662 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: I have no idea what your background is, but you 663 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,800 Speaker 1: have a very clear sense of right and wrong, and 664 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 1: I wish more people had it. So you tried to 665 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: explain that in the video we just played, and rather 666 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,359 Speaker 1: than listen to you, people screamed at you. And then 667 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 1: appeared to come at you. Have you noticed there's no 668 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: conversation about this. There was. It was a mob of 669 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 1: hundreds of people that came streaming into this permitted gathering 670 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,040 Speaker 1: and they kettled us. I think that's what you'd call it. 671 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: They pushed, shoved, they knocked women to the ground. These 672 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 1: are the men and the supporters of men that apparently 673 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: the y m c A and the city want to 674 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,240 Speaker 1: allow into the women's dressing and shower area. I object, 675 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 1: and you, at the age of eighty, were banned by 676 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: the y m c A. M. It's hard to even 677 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 1: believe this is real because you were taking a shower 678 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: and there was a man in there and they banned you, 679 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 1: not him. What could tell us if that's true? A 680 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: and B? What y m c A is this? Yes, 681 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: that's correct. I told that guy to get out of 682 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,360 Speaker 1: the shower, and then a staff member came around the 683 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,719 Speaker 1: corner and I said to her, get him out of here, 684 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,800 Speaker 1: and she said, that's discrimination. You're out of here for life, 685 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,719 Speaker 1: and I'm calling the cops. Can you tell us what? Why? 686 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:56,360 Speaker 1: M c Where did this happen? This happens in Port Townsend, 687 00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: that's on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington State. It's just 688 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 1: it's I hope they are punished for the way that 689 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: they treated you, and I appreciate your bravery and forthrightness. 690 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,240 Speaker 1: I do too. We did try and get the police 691 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 1: to come help us. They were standing across the streets 692 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 1: and they were told by a directive to stand down. 693 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,880 Speaker 1: They did not come to help us. I hope they 694 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,759 Speaker 1: wrought Juli Jaman, thank you for all you've done. I 695 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,719 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Good to see you tonight. Throughout all the 696 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: media spectacle, I feel like the actual original victim of 697 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 1: this harassment has kind of been forgotten, despite them being 698 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 1: the current face of the transgender menace. In my conversation 699 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,360 Speaker 1: with Clementine, we talked about what it's like to be 700 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,759 Speaker 1: turned into this sort of outrage symbol, like I've I 701 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 1: watched the three hours of public testimony UM a few 702 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 1: nights ago, which was I was on I was on 703 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:09,840 Speaker 1: so much caffeine. Um. Is that the meeting that happened 704 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: right after the incident or the Monday meeting from both? 705 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:20,720 Speaker 1: I did both in one day. Yeah, it was yeah. 706 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 1: And one of the more shocking things was just how 707 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,279 Speaker 1: how how miss one how mischaracterized the incident was and 708 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,440 Speaker 1: to just like how much blatant miss gendering there was, 709 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: and like talking about you not as like an actual person, 710 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,280 Speaker 1: but as almost this like evil archetype in people's minds. 711 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:49,239 Speaker 1: Like it's so dehumanizing in a really bad way. Um 712 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,720 Speaker 1: let alone all of like the like miss gendering stuff 713 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,760 Speaker 1: like it's it was. It was wild watching this person 714 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,759 Speaker 1: after person completely mindlessly create this villain in their own 715 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,640 Speaker 1: head it's um and then just attached it onto an 716 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: actual human being who's like you, like, your privacy has 717 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,839 Speaker 1: actually been violated, Like you're like like you're like like 718 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,840 Speaker 1: private information, your pictures, names is going all over these 719 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:21,360 Speaker 1: like like neo fascist news sites, and like if something 720 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,360 Speaker 1: you know, people are framing this is like you know, 721 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,880 Speaker 1: safety and privacy, Like if you want to look at 722 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 1: what's actually going on, it's so different. And there's such 723 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,960 Speaker 1: a disconnect between watching all of that public testimony and 724 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,120 Speaker 1: looking at all of you know, the the right wing 725 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 1: press of this incident and I don't know, it's it's 726 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,799 Speaker 1: very depressive framing. It's really clear and disappointing when you're 727 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,839 Speaker 1: the subject of it because I know what happened in 728 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,800 Speaker 1: that space, and you know, there were people to witness 729 00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:00,480 Speaker 1: what happened, and we worked to get our reports out quickly, 730 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,240 Speaker 1: but it just didn't you know, it didn't matter because 731 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:09,320 Speaker 1: of how dedicated this woman was to getting her side 732 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 1: or whatever. I mean. In reality, it just feels like 733 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:19,759 Speaker 1: she was dedicated to hurting. UM. I don't know what 734 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,840 Speaker 1: her motivation was, but it's the blatantly false side of 735 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 1: the story that really hurts because accusations that I was 736 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,680 Speaker 1: standing there watching I think they go anywhere from like 737 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 1: two to five kids. It's their number. UM. I was 738 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,440 Speaker 1: watching the Tucker Carlson and I think I saw that 739 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: number five, watching five kids undress, UM, when that's just 740 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,839 Speaker 1: not what happened. I was standing there with one kid 741 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:56,399 Speaker 1: who was fully closed, chatting while we waited for another 742 00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,320 Speaker 1: kid to come out of the bathroom. And it's just wrong. 743 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,279 Speaker 1: It's misinformation, and it's not about you know, it's not 744 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:10,640 Speaker 1: even about UM pushing an agenda. It's it's about people's 745 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:16,840 Speaker 1: livelihood and it's really damaging to have my privacy violated 746 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,359 Speaker 1: like that, you know, UM, straight up, that's what it is. 747 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:26,960 Speaker 1: It almost feels like you're just like this sacrificial archetype 748 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,680 Speaker 1: that yeah, it's like they're not even but they're not 749 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 1: even like interested in you as a person. Really, they're 750 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,640 Speaker 1: interested in you on this this this, this this like 751 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,480 Speaker 1: idea and to project you onto this whole other idea, 752 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,840 Speaker 1: which is so fucked up because you're an actual person. 753 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,400 Speaker 1: Like yeah, well, and and you can see in the 754 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,359 Speaker 1: comments and stuff on some of these that it's pretty 755 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,840 Speaker 1: you know, I won't try to dig into like the ugly, 756 00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,359 Speaker 1: the ugly and the bad of Twitter, but uh, like 757 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,680 Speaker 1: I've seen people say that I'm like a fully bearded man, 758 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,359 Speaker 1: or like I'll be paralleled as a lumberjack, and it's 759 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 1: like or I mean, and not that you know, your 760 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,919 Speaker 1: appearances matter, It's it's about how you feel. But it's 761 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,560 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, interesting to see how I'm I'm 762 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:42,080 Speaker 1: painted in such a weird and twisted light. Despite going 763 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,960 Speaker 1: viral in the right wing and turf news sphere, local 764 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 1: sentiment in the port towns in the area has been 765 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,000 Speaker 1: widely in supportive trans rights and not very pleased that 766 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,960 Speaker 1: their town has been upended for over a month due 767 00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,400 Speaker 1: to one woman's personal prejudice and discomfort. I lived in 768 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,640 Speaker 1: towns and for twenty four and a half years, and 769 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,680 Speaker 1: in talking to people over the last couple of weeks, 770 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,959 Speaker 1: I would say nearly universally, the local sentiment is, why 771 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,760 Speaker 1: is this such a big deal? Like this, basically somebody 772 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 1: got startled in a locker room, made kind of a 773 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:22,279 Speaker 1: jerk of herself, and is now trying to blow this 774 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,879 Speaker 1: into some kind of international incident. And you know, here's 775 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,520 Speaker 1: this little tiny town at the edge of the continent, 776 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 1: and we're like, why, why, why is this the most 777 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,279 Speaker 1: important thing? You know? Why did you know dozens of 778 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,799 Speaker 1: families not have child care for ten days? Why did 779 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,920 Speaker 1: you know the y m c A employees have to 780 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,080 Speaker 1: not get paid? Why? Why did you know? The The 781 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:52,400 Speaker 1: impact of this has been so outsized relative to the 782 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:58,000 Speaker 1: actually what actually happened. The person who started the initial 783 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,880 Speaker 1: incident with the trans employee. It's it's kind of funny 784 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,360 Speaker 1: in a way that, yes, she's gotten out her message 785 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,480 Speaker 1: to the whole community, but it spread as a result 786 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:13,680 Speaker 1: of the organizing against her and against the group of 787 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,120 Speaker 1: people that she's bringing into the area. And it's gotten 788 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,960 Speaker 1: to a point where just random community members that we 789 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,160 Speaker 1: don't have any direct connection to our recognizing her and 790 00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:29,320 Speaker 1: knowing why she's a known person and are just kicking 791 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,520 Speaker 1: her out of their businesses on site. It's like the 792 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 1: the backlash against that incident is really spreading really well, 793 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:45,160 Speaker 1: and we're getting this really good organic network building throughout 794 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:50,319 Speaker 1: the community. Earlier in August, before the big press conference thing, 795 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,520 Speaker 1: various BIPOC and queer collectives and affinity groups started networking 796 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,200 Speaker 1: and a solidarity meeting was set up to figure out 797 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,800 Speaker 1: how to take of each other as the far rights 798 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:06,560 Speaker 1: spotlight on the town grows. Myself and one another person 799 00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,839 Speaker 1: went and maybe a couple of others who I didn't know, 800 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,719 Speaker 1: but the two of us were the main ones who 801 00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:16,440 Speaker 1: are more directly involved with the queer community side of 802 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:22,280 Speaker 1: responding to what was going on, and it was really great, 803 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,399 Speaker 1: like they just like, we want to support you, we 804 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,319 Speaker 1: want to you know, help take care of you. What 805 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,640 Speaker 1: can we do? And then for the action on the fifteenth, 806 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,760 Speaker 1: when we were talking about, you know, like here's here's 807 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,440 Speaker 1: the kind of response that we're wanting from the whole community, 808 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 1: but here's some of these background needs. Because none of 809 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,560 Speaker 1: them were experienced enough with protesting to feel comfortable going 810 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,560 Speaker 1: out on the front lines and doing stuff. They went 811 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,760 Speaker 1: about a quarter mile away and set up a community picnic, 812 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,480 Speaker 1: and I don't think people took nearly enough advantage of 813 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,560 Speaker 1: it because the planning happened so last minute. They did 814 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,960 Speaker 1: a great job of setting up in solidarity and in 815 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,759 Speaker 1: solidarity and in support, and we're really looking forward to 816 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,720 Speaker 1: working with them more. We spent the last few years 817 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:22,200 Speaker 1: running small group basic medical classes UM and workshops and 818 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,520 Speaker 1: really making connections like within our community and having this 819 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,040 Speaker 1: come about and having everyone come up to one place 820 00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,080 Speaker 1: and see each other and going, oh, we know you 821 00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:36,240 Speaker 1: and I know you UM, and from different communities coming together. 822 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:41,040 Speaker 1: We've really been able to enable those folks to come 823 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:45,400 Speaker 1: together to start building more of a unified front. I 824 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,879 Speaker 1: want to reiterate that with all the media spectacle, it's 825 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,239 Speaker 1: important to not lose sight of the original target of 826 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,520 Speaker 1: all of this hate and transphobia. The physical and mental 827 00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:01,000 Speaker 1: effect of such a massive wave of bigoted harassment and 828 00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:06,440 Speaker 1: boxing can take a substantial toll. I had to stop 829 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,960 Speaker 1: going into work at a certain point because I couldn't 830 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,239 Speaker 1: do it. I woke up in the morning and I 831 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,840 Speaker 1: looked in the mirror and and I just broke down 832 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,319 Speaker 1: because it was too much to keep going into keep 833 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:26,960 Speaker 1: trying to bring that bright energy uh to work. Um, 834 00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:31,680 Speaker 1: and a lot of doubt. Uh, that's what I've been 835 00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,840 Speaker 1: experiencing is a lot of you see so many people 836 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,920 Speaker 1: trying to divulge your character in a negative way, and 837 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:45,239 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's toxic and it can kind of 838 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:50,000 Speaker 1: seep through and make your life toxic. And that's why 839 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,920 Speaker 1: I just had to stop looking because it hurt too 840 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:59,160 Speaker 1: much and it's putting me in this limbo. I don't 841 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,560 Speaker 1: feel like I gotten a break for a month. I 842 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:08,640 Speaker 1: feel like I've just been tired and like rest. I 843 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,359 Speaker 1: feel like I'm in purgatory. You know. Has there been 844 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,520 Speaker 1: any kind of like support on the community level that 845 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,680 Speaker 1: has been helpful? Yeah? Yeah, UM, I've been I've been 846 00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:25,080 Speaker 1: definitely grateful and um blessed to have the community response 847 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:29,920 Speaker 1: be really astounding and supportive. Yeah. I've been given the 848 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,560 Speaker 1: opportunity to be so much more connected with my local 849 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:39,000 Speaker 1: queer community as well as my local community period. Um. 850 00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:43,839 Speaker 1: There were a lot of supportive voices, uh that made 851 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,600 Speaker 1: it a little bit easier to ignore the darker side 852 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:51,759 Speaker 1: of this. UM and elephant in the room. Uh, the 853 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,240 Speaker 1: go fund me, I don't know how I would feel 854 00:56:55,560 --> 00:57:00,200 Speaker 1: if there wasn't you know, something rigid and like a 855 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,680 Speaker 1: rock to lean on, like to go fund me, to 856 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,200 Speaker 1: be able to have something hopeful will look forward to 857 00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:10,480 Speaker 1: and think that I can you know, be me, and 858 00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:16,160 Speaker 1: that I can afford being me. Uh. I don't know 859 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,240 Speaker 1: how I would navigate the storm without something like that 860 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:27,920 Speaker 1: in the distance. It's been overwhelming and I've just been 861 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,520 Speaker 1: waiting for it to end, and it looks like it's 862 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:37,200 Speaker 1: finally slowing down. But um, the support makes it easier. 863 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:42,080 Speaker 1: And the support is a kind of attention that really 864 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:50,080 Speaker 1: helps right now because it's dreking lye easy to feel bad, ah, 865 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:55,160 Speaker 1: to feel just dissociated when when your life is kind 866 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:59,080 Speaker 1: of thrust into a different lens in what felt like 867 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,160 Speaker 1: a day, what kind of was just a day. For 868 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,960 Speaker 1: a week this month has felt like longer than my 869 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:11,440 Speaker 1: entire summer break. The situation in Port Townsend is not 870 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,760 Speaker 1: over yet. In a bit, we'll talk about the upcoming 871 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,800 Speaker 1: anti trans rally on September three. And there is this 872 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,400 Speaker 1: kind of absurd irony that's not uncommon when digging into 873 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,000 Speaker 1: these types of issues, that the types of talking points 874 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:31,240 Speaker 1: common among reactionaries and all the complaints around violations of 875 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,920 Speaker 1: privacy just end up actually being enacted by the people 876 00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,000 Speaker 1: who push these moral panics and so things that just 877 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,200 Speaker 1: continue to kind of escalate and escalate. My understanding, And 878 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,160 Speaker 1: I wasn't there for this. Is that yesterday which was 879 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,640 Speaker 1: Amy Susan. I'm not sure if Julie Jahman was there 880 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,120 Speaker 1: not because of cours Julie Jamons would be banned from 881 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,240 Speaker 1: the pool. UM showed up at the pool with a 882 00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,040 Speaker 1: film crew and was trying to push their way into 883 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,479 Speaker 1: the locker room when patrons were there in the locker 884 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,120 Speaker 1: room trying to film inside the locker room and got 885 00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:07,200 Speaker 1: asked to leave. UM. So it's it's still continuing to estalate. 886 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,480 Speaker 1: One of the things that I've been noticing a lot, 887 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,600 Speaker 1: and it's something that for those of us who are 888 00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,000 Speaker 1: more involved, this is kind of a you don't say moment, 889 00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:24,400 Speaker 1: and it's the people who are coming in and making 890 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:29,600 Speaker 1: accusations and making attacks against the community are very much 891 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,440 Speaker 1: doing the exact thing that they're making accusations of. Uh. 892 00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,880 Speaker 1: There was an issue the other day of the people 893 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:43,240 Speaker 1: who planned and hosted the protest at the council meeting 894 00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,280 Speaker 1: going into the y with a camera crew and demanding 895 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:51,200 Speaker 1: to film the locker rooms while people were using them. Um, 896 00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,440 Speaker 1: there's lots of accusations that have been thrown that we 897 00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,640 Speaker 1: bust in people from Portland, and in reality, the main 898 00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,080 Speaker 1: aggre who are there in their group did come from 899 01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Vancouver area, or we're flown in from Texas, or we're 900 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,400 Speaker 1: flown in from Texas. Yeah, like this was three d 901 01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,280 Speaker 1: people who live within twenty minutes of Court towns and 902 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:18,760 Speaker 1: showed up because they care, and they had to fly 903 01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,919 Speaker 1: people from as far as Pennsylvania to post an hour 904 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:27,000 Speaker 1: long press conference with twenty people. And so we're seeing 905 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,760 Speaker 1: that a lot recurring. The person organizing this upcoming action 906 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:35,480 Speaker 1: is also lives in Vancouver area and is inviting people 907 01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,560 Speaker 1: from all over to come up and start fights here 908 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:46,920 Speaker 1: and try to get video of confrontations going. And everybody 909 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,680 Speaker 1: up here wants to just be left alone and live 910 01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:53,080 Speaker 1: in peace, but they also want to show up and 911 01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,600 Speaker 1: they're kind of getting an opportunity to show up in 912 01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,360 Speaker 1: the most low effort way. It's it's in your own town, 913 01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,880 Speaker 1: you might as well up. I remember a few weeks 914 01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,040 Speaker 1: ago there was this headline from a federalist think piece 915 01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,280 Speaker 1: that when a bit viral for being a big Yike's 916 01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:15,880 Speaker 1: almost mirroring the fascist framing of blood libel. If you 917 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:21,160 Speaker 1: replace quote the transgenders with quote the Jews, you'll see 918 01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:25,680 Speaker 1: what I mean. The headline reads, quote the transgender movement 919 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:30,919 Speaker 1: is not just intolerant, it's barbaric and violent and it's 920 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:37,720 Speaker 1: coming for your children unquote. Almost exclusively, its sources are 921 01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,040 Speaker 1: Twitter accounts like lives of TikTok and a few random turfs. 922 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,680 Speaker 1: And this is what we mean when we talk about 923 01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:49,000 Speaker 1: how things that seem like they should just be insignificant 924 01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:54,160 Speaker 1: Twitter bullshit actually do affect the world off of social media. 925 01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,600 Speaker 1: This is how entire conversations on the validity of people's 926 01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:03,600 Speaker 1: existence get formed and directed. Now, the last section of 927 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,360 Speaker 1: the Federalist story is about the Boston Children's Hospital, and 928 01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,960 Speaker 1: if you listened to yesterday's episode of It could happen here, 929 01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,480 Speaker 1: you can guess the kind of disinformation the article pedals, 930 01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,560 Speaker 1: and many readers, many of whom are not on Twitter. 931 01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,520 Speaker 1: We'll take whatever it says at face value. Same thing 932 01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:25,160 Speaker 1: for limps of TikTok stuff being boosted on Fox News. 933 01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,880 Speaker 1: The majority of the Federalist think piece, though, is about 934 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,560 Speaker 1: Port Townsend and everything stemming out of the y m 935 01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:37,160 Speaker 1: c A incident, and the whole article is as terrifying 936 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:41,680 Speaker 1: and fascistic as its headline. I remember seeing the Federalist 937 01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,680 Speaker 1: article headline and just being like, Oh, here's another another 938 01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,760 Speaker 1: piece doing the same thing. And I didn't realize it 939 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:53,200 Speaker 1: was about like this specific incident until much later, and now, Yeah, 940 01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,800 Speaker 1: it's the kind of it kind of does play into 941 01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,720 Speaker 1: the idea that like, we know these things happen, you 942 01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,480 Speaker 1: just don't expect them to happen like right where you 943 01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,919 Speaker 1: are until what's until it's until it's going on. Yeah, 944 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,680 Speaker 1: I've spent years screaming at a wall telling people that 945 01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:13,280 Speaker 1: this is coming, and UH really hope that all of 946 01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,880 Speaker 1: my preparation had been for nothing and it's happening in 947 01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,760 Speaker 1: my hometown now and getting national media attention everything from 948 01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,920 Speaker 1: you know and Shapiro to Info Wars to interviews on 949 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:28,720 Speaker 1: Tucker Bacting the Trump presidency. We were pretty much just 950 01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:35,280 Speaker 1: gun nerds and UH had started a small little UH 951 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,160 Speaker 1: gun club and we're inviting our friends and our local 952 01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:44,760 Speaker 1: queer community up to to learn about that. And it 953 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,840 Speaker 1: went really quickly from that to people having more of 954 01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:52,480 Speaker 1: an interest in the medical suffering teaching specifically uh stopped 955 01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:59,360 Speaker 1: the bleed and UH so after the Trump presidency was over, UM, 956 01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people dropped off, and just the majority 957 01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,919 Speaker 1: of the people that stuck around happened to be trans UM. 958 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:09,479 Speaker 1: But we continued offering these classes. We were posting ones 959 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,760 Speaker 1: out here about the escalation, about stop the bleed, of 960 01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:17,360 Speaker 1: we're hosting the locks on stuff. UM. I think with 961 01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:22,920 Speaker 1: UM they're being such limited options for direct actions in 962 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,720 Speaker 1: the area, a lot of people were kind of naturally 963 01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:30,120 Speaker 1: tending towards how can we better support our friends who 964 01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,760 Speaker 1: live in areas that are doing direct actions and we 965 01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,960 Speaker 1: started getting a lot more interest in those kinds of 966 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:40,560 Speaker 1: support roles than medical training to de escalation, even things 967 01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:46,840 Speaker 1: like emergency preparedness and food security. UM yeah UM. But 968 01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,680 Speaker 1: because of that, we've just spent the last few years 969 01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:55,520 Speaker 1: running these just a small group like wonderful people UM 970 01:04:55,560 --> 01:05:00,720 Speaker 1: basically workshops on all these different subjects and bill somewhat 971 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,720 Speaker 1: of a connection with the community, a bit of respect. 972 01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,840 Speaker 1: So when this happened, we actually had that to draw 973 01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:10,640 Speaker 1: on and we could really help enable people to organize 974 01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,960 Speaker 1: themselves and create some form of unity. So it's not 975 01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,200 Speaker 1: small groups of people coming in without a plan, but 976 01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,920 Speaker 1: a large group of people showing up all at once. 977 01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,280 Speaker 1: UM that we're not directly involved in any sort of 978 01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:28,920 Speaker 1: leadership of it's just naturally organically happened. UM. But have 979 01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,160 Speaker 1: really spent the last few years just feeling like cook 980 01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:37,600 Speaker 1: screening at a wall. UM until this happened in our 981 01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:43,760 Speaker 1: small town and completely unexpectedly, and now we're actually somewhat useful. 982 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,959 Speaker 1: Before we close out, we do need to talk about 983 01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:51,960 Speaker 1: the upcoming Anti Twins rally planned for the afternoon of Saturday, 984 01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:58,080 Speaker 1: September three at Pope Marine Park. Organizers are explicitly tied 985 01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,120 Speaker 1: to the Proud Boys, and this rally is one of 986 01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:05,680 Speaker 1: the most clear examples of how Turf's self described feminists 987 01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:10,720 Speaker 1: or people just looking out for biological women's rights are 988 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:15,200 Speaker 1: perfectly willing to ally with fascists if it means hurting 989 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:19,480 Speaker 1: trends and queer people. The rally is billed as quote 990 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:24,400 Speaker 1: a rally for decency, stand up against men in women's 991 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,959 Speaker 1: public pool locker rooms, and tell the city of Port 992 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,320 Speaker 1: Townsend to let Julie swim unquote. Yeah. The guy who 993 01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:36,080 Speaker 1: runs common Sense Court Conservatives, a man named Robert Um. 994 01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,880 Speaker 1: I always mess up his name M Zurfling. I think 995 01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:43,000 Speaker 1: it is Zurfings E r f I and g Um 996 01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,600 Speaker 1: who's associated in somewhere with the Proud Boys and his 997 01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:51,920 Speaker 1: associated with Roger Stone. He runs this blog called common 998 01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,160 Speaker 1: Sense Conservative. He is organizing something that's being billed as 999 01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,760 Speaker 1: quote rally for Decency unquote UM to be here in 1000 01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,480 Speaker 1: Port Townsend on the Labor Day weekend Saturday, which is 1001 01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:08,080 Speaker 1: the third and UM it's unclear whether this is going 1002 01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,400 Speaker 1: to be a large event or a small one. They 1003 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:14,880 Speaker 1: have not as of yesterday, pulled a permit for that UM, 1004 01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,520 Speaker 1: and there's some questions about, you know, if you're planning 1005 01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,160 Speaker 1: a large event, what what's that kind of unfold? Like, 1006 01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:25,600 Speaker 1: uhs is a tourist community and at this time of year, 1007 01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:27,600 Speaker 1: we've got a lot of people in town over Labor 1008 01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:32,040 Speaker 1: Day weekend. UM, so a large Proud Boy rallies is 1009 01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,720 Speaker 1: kind of you know, it doesn't feel very comfortable. Is 1010 01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,480 Speaker 1: It's kind of the first kind of big instant where 1011 01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,040 Speaker 1: you've had these types of like, you know, more kind 1012 01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:43,560 Speaker 1: of experienced activists on like the anti trans side or 1013 01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,560 Speaker 1: on you know, affiliate with Proud Boys or whatever kind 1014 01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,640 Speaker 1: of come in and try to make this problem inside 1015 01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,760 Speaker 1: the town. We've had little bits and pieces of stuff. Um, 1016 01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,880 Speaker 1: the Proud Boys or something kind of connected had a 1017 01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:01,480 Speaker 1: kind of truck drive through parade rally in sort of 1018 01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,840 Speaker 1: just prior to the election. Um, that kind of drove 1019 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,080 Speaker 1: through town and you know, a bunch of big trucks 1020 01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,480 Speaker 1: and I think some people were open carrying, and it 1021 01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:12,840 Speaker 1: was it was mostly a bunch of noise. UM. But 1022 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,280 Speaker 1: it hasn't. This is a very liberal community, um, and 1023 01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,799 Speaker 1: it hasn't really hit us. This is also just for context. 1024 01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,000 Speaker 1: This is a town of ten thousand people and and 1025 01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,760 Speaker 1: it's the biggest town for you know, fifty miles in 1026 01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,160 Speaker 1: any direction. So it's not you know, it isn't like 1027 01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,439 Speaker 1: ten thousand people that's a suburb. This this is the 1028 01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:36,080 Speaker 1: big town. This is the county seat. UM. So it's 1029 01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,200 Speaker 1: we've been kind of insulated from a lot of things. 1030 01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,200 Speaker 1: You know, we had, you know, we definitely had some 1031 01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,559 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter protests. We definitely had you know, we 1032 01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:48,439 Speaker 1: had a big women's march in seventeen eighteen, but we 1033 01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:53,360 Speaker 1: haven't seen the kind of explosive clashing protests that you know, 1034 01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,760 Speaker 1: Seattle or Portland have. The far right is planning to 1035 01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:01,000 Speaker 1: mobilize people from around the Pacific Northwest, pulling from folks 1036 01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:05,879 Speaker 1: in Oregon and Idaho, and are expecting anywhere between fifty 1037 01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,280 Speaker 1: to a hundred people to show up on the anti 1038 01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:13,120 Speaker 1: trans side, especially people from Proud Boy and three percenter 1039 01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:17,599 Speaker 1: affiliated networks. One of the leaders of the Washington State 1040 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,479 Speaker 1: three Percent of militia, Eric Road, has stated that he 1041 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,920 Speaker 1: will be present and is encouraging his followers to join him, 1042 01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,640 Speaker 1: saying on telegram, quote, I don't care if five of 1043 01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,519 Speaker 1: you show up or fifty if you show up, I 1044 01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:36,200 Speaker 1: will always march against men staring at girls as young 1045 01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,519 Speaker 1: as eleven pulling off their swim trunks. It would be 1046 01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,639 Speaker 1: pretty cool if people could cancel their plans and show 1047 01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:47,120 Speaker 1: up to stand against child molesters. God said, if you 1048 01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,320 Speaker 1: even look back, I'll turn you into a pillar of salt. 1049 01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,120 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have looked back, but I never failed to 1050 01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:57,400 Speaker 1: answer the call to something so simple as don't stare 1051 01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,680 Speaker 1: at little girls when they take off their clothes unquote. 1052 01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:05,000 Speaker 1: He then goes on to do some unhinged rambling about 1053 01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:10,080 Speaker 1: federal observation and his commitment to God and country, but 1054 01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,800 Speaker 1: he ends that post by saying quote when I get 1055 01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:20,400 Speaker 1: threatened by Antifa, all matched Antifa unquote, which I don't 1056 01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,640 Speaker 1: even know what that means. The grammar on that is 1057 01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:27,799 Speaker 1: very confusing. Another telegram post from a three percenter account reads, 1058 01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:32,200 Speaker 1: quote calling all patriots, all proud boys, all three percenters, 1059 01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:36,519 Speaker 1: all lone wolves, We roll out to Port Townsend on 1060 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,320 Speaker 1: September three. Hope to see you there. We got proud 1061 01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:44,280 Speaker 1: boys and three pers rolling in from all over unquote. 1062 01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:48,240 Speaker 1: The three percenter crew is also planning a pre and 1063 01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:54,519 Speaker 1: post rally barbecue party on Friday and Saturday night at 1064 01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:59,280 Speaker 1: Whidby Island, which sounds like an awful time. That sounds 1065 01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:03,479 Speaker 1: like a horrible party. Our major concerns going forward is 1066 01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:08,760 Speaker 1: if protesters keep coming out here, UM that the right 1067 01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:12,559 Speaker 1: wing will get more footage that they can spin, bringing 1068 01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,280 Speaker 1: more attentions on this, bringing more harm to the trans 1069 01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,920 Speaker 1: community across the country. UM that the right wing will 1070 01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:25,000 Speaker 1: attack someone locally around here, or that all of the 1071 01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:29,120 Speaker 1: spun footage will inspire someone from outside of the area 1072 01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,639 Speaker 1: or someone just sitting in the woods who will come 1073 01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:36,000 Speaker 1: and pause serious harm to a large group of our 1074 01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:41,640 Speaker 1: our local trans community. UM. And our intent is to 1075 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,040 Speaker 1: to be there to have some sort of response via 1076 01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:49,200 Speaker 1: medical or otherwise trying to think of how to say this. UM. 1077 01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,799 Speaker 1: I've lived here on and off most of my life 1078 01:11:53,640 --> 01:12:01,720 Speaker 1: and had started UM working towards transitioning, but due to 1079 01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:11,880 Speaker 1: the national political situation, specifically when the former president temporarily 1080 01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:16,080 Speaker 1: got rid of trans protections and medical canceled all that 1081 01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:20,200 Speaker 1: changed my medical records back and have been presenting as 1082 01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:25,000 Speaker 1: a cis white dude since then, specifically because of the 1083 01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:30,639 Speaker 1: amount of privilege that gives me and having a trans 1084 01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:35,639 Speaker 1: partner who is working on their transition in this town 1085 01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:41,360 Speaker 1: while this is happening is hitting home to a level 1086 01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:48,000 Speaker 1: that I was completely unprepared for. And the emotional impact 1087 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,200 Speaker 1: that all of this has been having on me, and 1088 01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:55,280 Speaker 1: the fact that it's not just here but that this 1089 01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:59,080 Speaker 1: is getting national attention is something I'm still trying to 1090 01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:02,799 Speaker 1: wrap my head around. And I'm just really thankful for 1091 01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,680 Speaker 1: all of the networks that we've built in all of 1092 01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:11,040 Speaker 1: the community, the local community, the broader Washington community, all 1093 01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:14,599 Speaker 1: the people who have just shown so much support for us, 1094 01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,560 Speaker 1: and it makes me feel like there is there is 1095 01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,679 Speaker 1: a future where we can just be left in peace. 1096 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:25,479 Speaker 1: And that is the story of what's been happening in 1097 01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:29,479 Speaker 1: Port Townsend over the course of the past month, and 1098 01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,160 Speaker 1: what could happen in the next few days. I'm going 1099 01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,960 Speaker 1: to close this episode with Clementine discussing the details of 1100 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:41,400 Speaker 1: her go fund me. The go fund me is sort 1101 01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:45,880 Speaker 1: of a general transition fund for me. I originally made 1102 01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:51,280 Speaker 1: it specifically for two surgeries. I low balled the amount 1103 01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:55,120 Speaker 1: greatly because I felt like if I asked for too much, 1104 01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't get anything, and I still got nothing for 1105 01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,439 Speaker 1: a long time. At some point, when the articles were 1106 01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:05,479 Speaker 1: coming out, one of the nationals used one of the 1107 01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,679 Speaker 1: national articles used my go fund me as a source 1108 01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:13,920 Speaker 1: um to find out more about me. But that got 1109 01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,599 Speaker 1: my go fund me out there UM and a lot 1110 01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,639 Speaker 1: of different people started picking up on it and spreading it. 1111 01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,200 Speaker 1: I actually didn't do much at all to to help that. 1112 01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:28,120 Speaker 1: I it was never something on my mind, the go 1113 01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,200 Speaker 1: fund me. It just happened and I looked at it 1114 01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,760 Speaker 1: one day and I thought, that's strange. I have more 1115 01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,880 Speaker 1: donations than the last time I checked, and it was 1116 01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:44,439 Speaker 1: pretty empowering to see that, or or more hopeful um. 1117 01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:48,000 Speaker 1: But now now so I talked about the go fund 1118 01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:52,080 Speaker 1: me was originally for two specific surgeries, and I lobald. 1119 01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:57,760 Speaker 1: The amount um I later revised actually took me a 1120 01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,559 Speaker 1: couple of times and a lot of consideration because I 1121 01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:04,080 Speaker 1: didn't want to feel like I was cheating the people 1122 01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:08,559 Speaker 1: that were being gracious to me, which I'm not trying 1123 01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:13,000 Speaker 1: to be. But yeah, uh, finding out that things cost 1124 01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:18,679 Speaker 1: more than I thought, but you know, it's way better 1125 01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,639 Speaker 1: than it was before. And to find it, I mean, 1126 01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:24,680 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's the first thing that comes up 1127 01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,360 Speaker 1: when you look up my name now, which is better 1128 01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:32,719 Speaker 1: than Fox News is video or or a daily wire 1129 01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,639 Speaker 1: article or whatever. The big thing that would pop up 1130 01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:41,080 Speaker 1: otherwise is but um, yeah, it's called Clementine's Transition Fund 1131 01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:45,040 Speaker 1: fund go fund me. You can find the transition go 1132 01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,439 Speaker 1: fund me at go fund me dot com slash s 1133 01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:53,360 Speaker 1: r s for clem and that link will be in 1134 01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:57,719 Speaker 1: the description, or you can just search Clementine's Transition Fund 1135 01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:01,479 Speaker 1: on your search engine of choice. See you on the 1136 01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:14,680 Speaker 1: other side, it could happen. Here is a production of 1137 01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,639 Speaker 1: cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, 1138 01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,160 Speaker 1: visit our website cool zone media dot com, or check 1139 01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,560 Speaker 1: us out on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 1140 01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,639 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to podcasts, you can find sources 1141 01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,240 Speaker 1: for It could happen here. 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