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Speaker 1: You can't predict anything presented by first light. Go farther,

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Speaker 1: But if I don't like, I'm conflicted. I'm gonna stick

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Speaker 1: if you love our fairy friends, stick around. That's a bet.

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Speaker 1: We were kind of talking about if everyone in your family, Uh,

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Speaker 1: what's your problem with dogs? You're just like extra work,

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Speaker 1: But for most people in this room, I've had way

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Speaker 1: And the guy later called you right, I think said

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Speaker 1: another dog man, Johnny. If you're so insistent on the intros,

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Speaker 1: doing here? Ronnie? Maybe would would you know, be deserved

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Speaker 1: and change their clothes. No, they would run. They would

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Speaker 1: But they're like, but if I say that, then that

425
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: I probably get handcuffed or something. It's like a three

426
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: year old kid and they're asking me, so, how exactly

427
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: did it? So what happened? Explained to me what happened.

428
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: They separated, They separated us to tell the story. Yeah, awful,

429
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: it's the worst feeling. They didn't separate me. They just

430
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: one one after the other came up and asked me

431
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: the same three questions. And then the late There was

432
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: a lady police officer that worked at the Grand Rapids Airport.

433
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: They have their own little office. Remember that office you

434
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: talked about on the subway, Steve, that you didn't know

435
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: when I got caught with a knife, like, but you

436
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: never know, there's an office there. It was just like

437
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: that the airport. It was like the secret door and

438
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: there's this police department that I never knew existed inside

439
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 1: the airport. Always reminded me of that subway thing of you.

440
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: So I go into you know, she puts handcuffs on me,

441
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,959
Speaker 1: and I gotta walk past everybody and we go out

442
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: to this little little place for the police department. Is

443
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: they coff you behind her in front of your back behind? Yeah,

444
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: I started getting like weird itches. You couldn't No, I

445
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: was just petrified. I could barely walk. I could barely walk.

446
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: And they bring me into this back room and I'm

447
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 1: sitting down. She uncuffs my cuffs, then handcuffs my left

448
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: arm to the wall, like to a short handcuff to

449
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: the wall, and I'm sitting in a chair just like this,

450
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: and and then she'd got a piece of paper and

451
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: I got to write a statement, and I'm like, well

452
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 1: I'm left handed. So instead of like I always felt like,

453
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: well you didn't think this through, because all they went

454
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 1: and got like three other officers cuffs and made like

455
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: a chain of cuffs instead of switching hands, instead of

456
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: switching hands, instead of like okay, uncuff him, put his

457
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: right arm on the table and let him right left. No,

458
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: they went got like three other give me your cuffs,

459
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: give me like a daisy chain of handcuffs and daisy chain.

460
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: So now I'm writing down what happened. She's got my wallet.

461
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: She asked me what I was doing, and I told

462
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: her I was going to do a dog I was

463
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: judging some dogs out in Utah. And then she said

464
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: what kind of dogs? And I told her bird dogs

465
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: and her eyes lit up, and I was like, oh,

466
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,959
Speaker 1: I'm I might I might have it here, you know.

467
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 1: But I thought for sure, like my life was over

468
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: because if I had I assumed it was a felony,

469
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: just because why wouldn't it be right? And turned out

470
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: to be. I had a loot. I lost my gun.

471
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: It was a misdemeanor. But I did end up in jail.

472
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: They had to give me over to Kent County Police.

473
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: They took me to jail. I had to sit into

474
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: drunk drunk tank for three hours until the sergeant came

475
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: back to post. But like the funniest part of the

476
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: story would be my daughter dropped me off the airport

477
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: because Kelsey worked right right at forty Patterson and she

478
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: dropped me off. And so two o'clock in the afternoon,

479
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm calling her up and she goes, yeah, Dad, what's up?

480
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: And I said, I need you to come get me.

481
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: She goes, well, you're either in Utah or you had

482
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: a connector in Atlanta. Well, what's what's going on? I go, no,

483
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: I'm at the Kent County jail. I need you to

484
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: kill me get me. And she's just like she was like,

485
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, hello, is this Mike says Mike hut and

486
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: she's I'm like Kelsey. She goes I said, She goes,

487
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: did you call my I said, don't call mom, don't

488
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: just come to the Kent County jail. I gotta get

489
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: back to the airport and get my stuff. So that

490
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: was That was a bad morning. But then he had

491
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: a court date. I had a court date and I

492
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: never actually went in front of the judge. My lawyer

493
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: went in front of the whatever, the person that works

494
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: with the judge, and uh, they did all their things.

495
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: I sat out in the hallway both times I went

496
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: to court. I don't know what they were talking about.

497
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: So I feel I feel like I remember part of

498
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: the story you're not mentioned where you then said your

499
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: lawyer like, what about the gun? He's like, forget about Well, yeah,

500
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: once I realized I was getting them this. Once I

501
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: realized there was a misdemeanor, I said, well, chance I

502
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: get that gun back. That's like asking a doc if

503
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 1: you don't have to take your heart medicine, do I

504
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: have to keep taking this? Uh? And you didn't pay

505
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: much money? Not? You know, not really you know that

506
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: story about when we had a jet boil canist during it?

507
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: What was our initial fine? The lawyers four? And so

508
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: this guy he paid half of a week for a

509
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: jet ball canister. Paid he paid half for a pistol

510
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: what you paid for a jet bawl canister. But he

511
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: had an unloaded one. I don't know if that matters though,

512
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know about severity. But my

513
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 1: oh yeah, here's the other part that was funny. So

514
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in that room, locked up against the wall,

515
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: and as I walked into that room, there's this little

516
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: i'd call it almost like a closet, and there's a

517
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: shooting sand trap, like so you can just charge the

518
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: firearms and they're all ready for this stuff apparently. And

519
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: I see my pistol like in this uh like holder right,

520
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: and it's pointing in to the sand and I walked

521
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: by and I'm sitting unlocked up and I see a

522
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: cop walk in there. Now this was like, you know

523
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: what a top break pistol is. The back peep site

524
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: comes up, it breaks open like a shotgun, right, and

525
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,719
Speaker 1: this cop is in there and he pokes his head

526
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: around the corner. He goes, yeah, he goes, how do

527
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: you open it? Things? I'm like, push up on the

528
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: back of for your site. He goes back in there,

529
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: but thirty second goes thanks because he didn't want to

530
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: go to his sergeant and go like, I gotta go

531
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: to I don't know how to get the bullets out

532
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 1: of it though, I don't know where the lever is.

533
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 1: I got held up by the police and the anchorage

534
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: report for shotgun shells. Oh, they took you away from

535
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: the line, and you know that happened to me there too.

536
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,239
Speaker 1: You know, you gave me something. I forgot to take

537
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: him out of my bag. But they were they knew,

538
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 1: yeah it happened. They were They were kind of like,

539
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: I really like you dumbass, Now we gotta go through

540
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: all these things. Was like, we gotta do through all

541
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: this And obviously what you're telling us is like you

542
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: went tarming and hunting, which is what I did and

543
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: had like a bird shot. And then their their attitude

544
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: was more that you've just cost us like a bunch

545
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: of filling papers out we were going to have a

546
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: cigarette break and now we have to take care of

547
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: your dumbass. Yeah, it was. It was. No, there was

548
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: no serious questioning, you know, o question of legality from

549
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: a listener. It's about our quid pro quid pro after Ukraine,

550
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: the Ukraine scandal. It's hard to say quid pro quo

551
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: because it got forever tied to the Ukraine scandal. Anyways,

552
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: we're not scandal, the scandal that wasn't the scandal anyways. Uh,

553
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: we're talking about sturgeon scandal, the sturgeon scandal that occurred

554
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: in where are you any Wisconsin. Yes, biologists are like

555
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: taking you know, sturgeon row. Caviar is very valuable and

556
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: there's biologists that extract the row and there's various just

557
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: just crash course quickn't mind. Yeah, there was. They have

558
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: check stations when when these sturgeon come in. They had

559
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: every sturgeon that spear needs to be checked, and there

560
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: was there were some coolers that were at that check

561
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: station that were specifically four eggs it were then going

562
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: to processors, and then it looks as if maybe people

563
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: that worked for the game and fish were then getting

564
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: cured finished jars of caviare in return, and so you

565
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: had this trade, you know, of goods for a finished product,

566
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: which became illegal. At the same time, there was also

567
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: some folks that we did some work with, um Vic

568
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: and uh Mary Lou that were similarly basically cleaning up

569
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: eggs for people, curing them and then giving them back

570
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: to them, but also holding onto a small portion of

571
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: it for themselves. So again sort of getting paid by

572
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, holding onto it, which you can't do right.

573
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: So so I don't think we've seen what's gonna come

574
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: of it yet. I haven't heard any updates about that story.

575
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: But anyways, folks gotten in trouble for bartering, trading, selling

576
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: wild games. Am I correct and saying though that this

577
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: is just something that went on there. It wasn't like

578
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: they were trying to hide it. It was just something

579
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: like that's kind of part of the culture there. Certainly

580
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: with Vick and Mary Lou, it was very very much

581
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 1: like that. I think they had been warned in the

582
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: past and it was just sort of like, oh no,

583
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: we're just helping out the community, you know, And this

584
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: wasn't a black market. Yeah. I remember when I first

585
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: heard about it. I don't know why I've talked about this.

586
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: I first heard about it was like, oh, yeah, he

587
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: was selling eggs to the Russians, which gets your hackles up,

588
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so you started rolling the Russians into

589
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: something Russian mafia. Yeah, like, oh man, you know you're

590
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: picturing like guns and whatnot, but I want to be

591
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: And it was the neighbors by the Russians. I meant

592
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: his neighbors. I don't know. Guy rolled in about this though,

593
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: considering that you can't barter, trade sell wild game with

594
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: some exceptions which will not get into uh, he lays

595
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: out this little conundrum he's in. They play. His town

596
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: has a Tiddly Winks tournament um and a meat raffle. Now,

597
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: he says, you'll know what I'm talking about, but I

598
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: don't know what either of those things are. They have

599
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: a Tiddley Winks tournament and a meat raffle in his town.

600
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: I can speak to meat raffle, but not Tiddley Winks tournament.

601
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: You can run didn't you ever play Tiddley Winks when

602
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: you were kidding? I use it like, um, you know,

603
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: sitting around like like if I was if I caught

604
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: Phil not working, he would be like, oh yeah, I'd

605
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: be like, you spend the who day whistling Dixie down there?

606
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: You might say you can spend the whole day down

607
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: there playing tilly winks. Tiddley Winks is an actual like

608
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: game with these little plastic dick um saucers and you

609
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: push down on, you flip the you flip them up.

610
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: You make a move around the board tid winks. Yeah,

611
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: somebody google that, don't we have a Jamie here kind

612
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: of blank expression. No, I accepted it the game. I

613
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: know it's a game. I don't know what it is.

614
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: And I don't know how a town gets together to

615
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: have a Tiddley Wink turnaments, But COVID just winds up

616
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: being a COVID story. COVID causes a cancelation of the

617
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: town wide Tiddley Winks tournament meat Raffle put him and

618
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: some close friends decided to get together anyway and have

619
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: a private Tiddley Winks tournament and a private meat Raffle

620
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: Tiddley Winks sounds worse every time you say it. So

621
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: normally one of these meat raffles. So normally everybody, apparently

622
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: everyone from the town. I'm gonna get one of these going.

623
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: Everyone from the town goes to the butcher's shop. They

624
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: all buy meat. You bring the meat. It's a great idea.

625
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: You bring the meat back and put it on the table,

626
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: and then you sell raffle tickets, draw raffle tickets. Brodie's

627
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: number comes up, like, I say, oh, I pulled the

628
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: hat out number one. Bro He's like, my god, I'm

629
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: number one. So then Brody goes up and he'll be like, damn,

630
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: I'm taking the pork wine. That's a meat raffle. Okay.

631
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: Since they had to do the small scale version and

632
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: all of his buddies hunting fish, they all brought game,

633
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: wild game, and then had a sturgeon and then had

634
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: a thing. So he brought down two pounds of smoked

635
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: sturgeon and walked out with two pounds of vendison loin.

636
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: Should he anticipate being arrested, that's a great question. I

637
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: hope we don't. I hope our emails don't get subpoena

638
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: so they can find out who he is tiley winks.

639
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm reading a Wikipedia page on it right now. You

640
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't believe it. The small disks are called winks. Uh.

641
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: There's a pot which is the target, and a collection

642
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: of squidgers which are also disks. To shoot a wink

643
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: into flight by flicking the squidder across the top of

644
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: a wink and then over its edge. It's it's like

645
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: something had of Harry Potter. Just gonna see that sounds

646
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: sid Harry. This game has been was invented in eighteen eight.

647
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: They got it nailed. Yeah, and and okay, I'm just

648
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: gonna finish with this tidty winks. And sometimes consider a

649
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: simple minded, minded, frivolous children's game a strategic adult game

650
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: wait for it. However, the modern competitive adult game of

651
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: tiddley Winks made a strong comeback at the University of

652
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: Cambridge in nine. Modern game uses far more complex rules

653
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: and a consistent set of high grade equipment. So back

654
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: in the day, if you had a child that was

655
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: an academic, you just put him in the yard with

656
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: a cup and some tiddley winks. He would just kill

657
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: some hours and you could get some laundry done. And

658
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 1: as long as he learns how to fold his raffle

659
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: tickets right, he will have plenty of meat from the

660
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: meat raffle. He'll be fine. Got rolling in with a

661
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: poem for Kevin Murphy. Who someone get ready to read

662
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: the poem. I'll tee it up. And someone else has

663
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: read the poem. You gotta read the poem. I read

664
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: it to my kids this morning. Okay. A listener had

665
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: heard our episode with Kevin Murphy about trying to trail

666
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: uh cotton tail rabbits out in the desert with dogs

667
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: from Kentucky. Um and how and we heard this from

668
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 1: Jake grib too, kind of our one of our resident

669
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: dog experts that the dog lives at a certain climate,

670
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: certain humidity, certain foliage. It seems to become like accustomed

671
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: to those things, and then it tracks and those things

672
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: and when you move them, like you can take a

673
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: dog from a wet place and move them to a desert,

674
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: just throws him out of way, takes him while he's

675
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: gotta kind of relearn all of his tricks, whateverything smells

676
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: like and how everything goes. So this guy came up

677
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: with he calls it an a fourism anecdote colloquialism, or

678
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: whatever you choose to call it. Hit a grin. This

679
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 1: one's for you. Kevin Murphy. If on the morning breeze

680
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 1: you can smell your dog's daily habit, it's a damn

681
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: good day to go hunt. Rabbit explained that through Ronnie,

682
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: if you can smell, No one likes that poem. I

683
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: can't wait till we get that dial in here to

684
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: tell people, to tell what people think is good or not.

685
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: I thought i'd laugh track. No, no, no, we're getting

686
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: in We're getting a machine where everybody in here has

687
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: a dial they turned up and down to tell how

688
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: interested they aren't. Lights and light in the center of

689
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: the table so people know when they're being born. Cream

690
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: would have I would have cranked her. But um. Another

691
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: piece of feedback that came out of our Rabbit conversation

692
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: with Kevin Murphy is the guy wrote in about this

693
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: interesting practice that takes place in the Lake Okachobe region

694
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: and the sugar cane fields. And we're right now kind

695
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: of half watching some of these videos and it's fascinating

696
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: saying that when they when they burn off the fields

697
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: and then also kind of like they're harvesting, but also

698
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: burning off the cane fields. It's common practice for local

699
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: kids to come out with a stick in a in

700
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: a sack or a pillow case and to fill those

701
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: pillow cases up with rabbits that they just chase after

702
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: and whap with a stick, just hit them like they're

703
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: like you'd kill a fish. And you watch this thing,

704
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: it's like just just it's like a tap almost, and

705
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: you kids run around handfuls of rabbits. I have no

706
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: idea on the legality of it, like if they have

707
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: a seasoned method to take I don't know, but it's

708
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: but yeah, you can go online and find these these

709
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: kids around these rabbits up. It's really interesting. I like

710
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: the local legend stuff. What's the local legend? Well, look,

711
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: legend is the best football players developed their skills as

712
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: small children chasing rabbits. Because there's so many pro football players,

713
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: collegiate football players that are good that come out of

714
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: this small region of Florida where they grow sugarcane and

715
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: have this practice and you watch them run down the rabbits.

716
00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: It's it's athletic. Yeah, I can't. I mean, you know,

717
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: I've seen plenty of rabbits running around and uh, I

718
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: haven't really chased them, but I can imagine I could

719
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: that I would not be able to run one down.

720
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm looking at an NFL film, official NFL films. Uh

721
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 1: looks like Travis Benjamin and Generes Jenkins. So Giants player

722
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: and Chargers player. It looks like they grew up doing

723
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: this and uh hunting sugarcane exactly, and then they're in

724
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: the NFL. So there you have it. If it was

725
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: just one person, that could be a fluke. But it's

726
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: too Clay, tell tell everybody about this. This uh, this

727
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: this this raccoon dog. So a couple of weeks ago,

728
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: or at least it came out a couple of weeks

729
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: ago on social media, there was a coon dog in Tennessee.

730
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Speaker 1: They got stuck fifty feet up in a tree and

731
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: firefighters had to come rescue it. Do by that, Oh yeah,

732
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: oh yeah it Uh you can watch the video, you

733
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: can search for it. But Steve, that's pretty common. Um,

734
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Speaker 1: there are in in all the hound world, there are

735
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: dogs that are exceptionally good climbers that find themselves and

736
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Speaker 1: just advantageous situations for climbing a tree. Be at the tree,

737
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: is leaning, or be at the tree is a species

738
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Speaker 1: that has really grabby bark where they can just climb.

739
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: And then some dogs are just incredible climbers. And so

740
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: now I've never seen a dog up that high. And

741
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: it's so the story was in Tennessee that they had

742
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: to call the fire department to come get this dog

743
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: out of the tree. What's unclear to me is this

744
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: dog must have treated a coon pretty close to the

745
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: road or you know, somewhere where these guys could get

746
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: to it. And then the video shows them lowering the

747
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: dog out of the tree on some kind of pulley

748
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: system and they yeah, so some human had to go

749
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: up there, hook up the pulley system and then hooked

750
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: the dog to it and they kind of used it

751
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: was pretty it's pretty good. They it looked like a

752
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: chest harness on the dog, but it wasn't. It was

753
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: a rope that they tied themselves and then they lowered

754
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: the dog down. They didn't show that part. So I

755
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: don't know how they got up there to set all

756
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: this up. But I mean, a dog climbing that high,

757
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: they do it all the time. Dogs get killed. Uh.

758
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: Good friend of mine, Brent Reeves, he and his buddy

759
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: Carson just this last fall had a dog get killed

760
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: that fell out of a tree. But it's so it

761
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: happens chasing a raccoon. Well, they're just tree and you know,

762
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: like they they don't they're not watching the raccoon go

763
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: up the tree. But it's like I have a dog,

764
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: one of my dogs, Steve um Jedi, you hunted with him.

765
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: He's a tree climbing dude. Man, if there's a tree

766
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 1: that has any kind of lean to it, I mean,

767
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: he'll go up as high as he can't. What happens

768
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: is they get up there and they can't come down.

769
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: Then they fall. And now do you worry about breaking

770
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: him of it? Clay? Do you try to break him

771
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: of it? You just let him have at it, you know,

772
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. You know, people might say

773
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: you can break them of it, but I don't really

774
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: know how you would do it. I mean, they're just

775
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: so pumped up when they're they've treated this coon. They're

776
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: jumping on the tree, embarking. And so it happens because

777
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: in chasing lions, it presents a whole another problem. Oh yeah,

778
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: you get up the tree, they're gonna get into skirmish

779
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: and that's how we earlier we were talking about when

780
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: dogs hounds get killed by lions. It happens usually when

781
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: a lion is not treed in like what you consider

782
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: us a normal tree twenty feet up and a straight tree.

783
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: It's like a blowdown or something, and it just jumps

784
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: onto a you know, a a trunk that's only five

785
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: six ft off the ground. You know, it's being supported

786
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: by the anches or whatever. And then the dogs, you know,

787
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: bay it for a minute off the ground. But then

788
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: the dogs quickly realize, oh, I can get on the

789
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: end of that tree and run right up to that thing.

790
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: And the dogs have no nothing in their heads says

791
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: that that thing that I'm barking at can kill me,

792
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, They're they're not thinking that.

793
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: So they go right up to it and they want

794
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: to get closer to it and bark at it and

795
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: gets them in trouble. So yeah, when when I know

796
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: that when Jake's dogs start climbing at all, and it's

797
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: pretty amazing, like not even like grabbing like a cat

798
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: would climb straight up the trunk like these dogs will

799
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: actually go onto a limb, turn go to the next slimb,

800
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: and turn, go to the next slim. Oh yeah, and

801
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: he does not like it at all. And there's yeah,

802
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: they there's there's consequences when they do it. Honest is

803
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: he does he think that he can train them to

804
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: not climb. The guys that I was with in Washington,

805
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: Bart George and his crew, uh they do it as well.

806
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: If the dogs start getting up on the uh tree,

807
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: they they punish him. If you can train them, you

808
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 1: train them to cut the tree. You trained dog do anything,

809
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: so getting them stay out of tree with no problem.

810
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: You just gotta set up the situation. My comment on

811
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: it is basically, just like a lot of times in

812
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: a tree, you're not there for a long time. It

813
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: may take you a long time to get to the tree.

814
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: So the dogs are they're unattended, not under you know,

815
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: and just that desires watch Puss pushing them up the tree.

816
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: You know. But you need that obedience set up in

817
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: a yard situation. In the training situation, you'd have to

818
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: simulate it as close as you could and correct the dog,

819
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: because you're right, you'd never get there before the dog

820
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: gets there. So yeah, backyard training Yanni's dog. You're just

821
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: talking about mangus, were you? Mm hmm? Um, A long

822
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: time ago, we had Dave Simonette for Trampled by Turtles

823
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: on the show. Mm hmm. Musician, we're talking about how

824
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: we needed a theme song from Mingus. Mingus has his

825
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: own theme song now by Trampled by Turtles, Short and Sweet,

826
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: Short and Sweet, ladies and gentleman does Mingus by Trampled

827
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: by Turtles talk about we're gonna use the we'll use

828
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: ask them what you all be sick of that? Uh,

829
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: Clay do your big apology and explanation about how you

830
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: messed everything up about fox hunting. Yeah, so we we

831
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: talked about, we talked about I was talking about the

832
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: painting on the ceiling in my office and I have

833
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: a painting of an English fox hunt and I said

834
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: that I put it up there because that scene no

835
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: longer exists on the earth, and it's a it's like

836
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: the Sistine Chapel. It's it's a painting overhead. Yeah. So

837
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: all the other paintings and pictures in my office are

838
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: on the walls like a normal one. I put this

839
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: one on the ceiling because my point was, and what

840
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: I tell people when they're in my office, as I say,

841
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: do you see that scene? And it's this beautiful old

842
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: painting of a of a what I presume to be

843
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: an English fox hunt, and I say that no longer

844
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: exists on the earth. And probably in the heat of

845
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: the moment on the podcast the other day, I probably

846
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: said that scene exists nowhere else on the face of

847
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: the earth. That would have been a mistake. Yeah, yeah,

848
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: And so so we had some really good feedback come

849
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 1: in some people that kind of set the record straight.

850
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: And also, you know, stand by my statement that that

851
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,479
Speaker 1: scene doesn't exist in that warm but here, Steve, here's

852
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: just a quick rundown. So fox hunting became big in Europe,

853
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: and like the fifteen hundreds, Germany was one of the

854
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: first countries in the nineteen thirties that banned it. In

855
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: two thousand two, Scotland banded fox hunting with hounds, and

856
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 1: then in two thousand five England and Wales banned fox

857
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: hunting with hounds. And it's a pretty complex situation. A

858
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: lot of it had to do with land related issues,

859
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: but it was primarily fueled by anti hunting people just

860
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: saying we don't like people chasing foxes with dogs. So

861
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: in those places though, and I guess this is where

862
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: the clarity comes. They still have simulated fox hunts with

863
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: scent which as a as a American houndsman, I'm not

864
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: counting that as a fox hunt. It's like a Civil

865
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: War reenactment they do with yeah, and so well, and

866
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 1: and I don't want to take anything away from those

867
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: people for doing that. Yeah, I mean, I I'm not

868
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: cutting them down for having a simulated fox because these

869
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: people hunt on horseback and they have big packs of

870
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: dogs and they do these scent drags through the countryside.

871
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: So I mean, I think that's great. That is a

872
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: far cry from what it was. And so but here's

873
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: where I learned some stuff. Okay, I had several people

874
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: contact me personally in Northern Ireland and in France, real

875
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: fox hunting with hounds, like chasing real fox is still legal. Um.

876
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: And and then I also had a bunch of people say, oh, Clay,

877
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: you're wrong because there's fox in the United States. I

878
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: wasn't talking about fox in the United States. We can

879
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: run all kind of stuff with hounds. I mean, it's

880
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 1: we live. I mean this, we got some incredible rights

881
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: when it comes to hound hunting in this country still

882
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: to this day. And so I I know people in

883
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: northwest Arkansas that do simulated fox hunts, and it's a

884
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: it's an equestrian thing, you know. I mean they're riding

885
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: horses fast, they've got hounds, they're doing scent drags, and

886
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: there's probably real fox sense going on in the US.

887
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: But I was talking about Europe and my whole idea

888
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: with you know, just this kind of guarding the gate

889
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 1: thing is that they want to take this stuff away

890
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: from us, and we can look at some of these

891
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: places where they have and so my painting still is

892
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: on the ceiling. So yeah, I like pugnacious. At the

893
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: very end, Clay nucom other people rolling in saying they

894
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: were mad at me about saying that fox hunters aren't hunters.

895
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, He's like, oh, we're out there

896
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: for having a good time, loving nature all that. Another

897
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: guy rolled in. He says he hunts at a place

898
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: now and then these fox hunters they dragged that little

899
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: smell through the woods and they all come riding after it.

900
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: He said, you'll, he'll be out in the woods. He

901
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: thought about being out in his tree stand. You'll, you'll

902
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: be all wouldn't have forty hounds come through making a racket,

903
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: followed by dozens of people on horseback dressed up in

904
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: the red and green coats like the old English hunter's war.

905
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: It's quite something. You're out hunting in the woods, and

906
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: that rolls through. As an avid hunter, I can tell

907
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: you that the people involved in this fox hunt are

908
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: so unrelated to nature and real hunting that it's insulted

909
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: to call the fox hunt hunt. Obviously there's no real fox,

910
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: but the people this sport attracts are also the last

911
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: people that would ever know what to do with the

912
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: real fox, or any wild game for that matter. It's

913
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: all just a social status affair. Then you're pipe and

914
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: smoke it. Brodie Henderson, you know, my mom was into

915
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: horses and she belonged to what was called a hunt

916
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: and Saddle club. They didn't do any hunting there. I

917
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: think it's like just some traditional kind of connection, you know.

918
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: I think I hear what that guy's saying, but I don't.

919
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 1: I mean, these people are on our side, I mean,

920
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: if they, I mean, yeah, we can say. I think

921
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: it's a pretty big stereotype. I bet there's some legit

922
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: folks and those bunches. Well, he points out that what

923
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: one of these One of these fellers points out, not

924
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: that guy, but another feller points out that we share enemies, right,

925
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: radical animal rights community. Yeah, suburban sprawl habitat, having the

926
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: your the rules of your life dictated by people who

927
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: make stereotypes about you and don't understand what it is

928
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: exactly that you do, but they know you. They don't

929
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: want you to do it. So you're bound together by

930
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: your enemies. But I'll point out, I don't want to

931
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: do that. I was gonna say, but I won't. I

932
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna say, but I shouldn't. I was gonna point

933
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: out how we were friends with the Rooskis against the

934
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: Germans that got us. But that wouldn't be appropriate. It

935
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: wouldn't even be a good metaphor. But Patton wanted to

936
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: go on and get them. Second Patton and my old man,

937
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: they were ready to keep going east. Yeah, my old

938
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: man thought we were halfway done with that war when

939
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: we quit. Um Clay, I'm with you. I think we

940
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: should not generalize, you know, just off this one email

941
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: that all these mounted fox hunters are not real outdoors folks,

942
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: because I think, like you said, there's probably quite a

943
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: few that are. Yeah, i'd like to see the guy

944
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: that wrote dead email ride dead Horse. There you go.

945
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Good point, Ronnie, all right, Um, onto being

946
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: better outdoors folks with our weapons. I wish I can remember.

947
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: Oh he says it right here. On episode to fifty

948
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 1: two the podcast, Steve was talking about the most common

949
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: firearm related injury was bird hunting. Um he and this

950
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: guy agrees with him. He is a shooting instructor in

951
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: the United States Coast Guard counter terrorism teams and teaches

952
00:52:53,400 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: advanced marksmanship. UM. He wanted rite in to say that

953
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that he teaches in that sort

954
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: of space can be you used for us as safety measures,

955
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: you know, as hunters out in the field, and uh,

956
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: just with some other projects we've been working on. UM,

957
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: you know, speaking of people getting shot or getting closest shot,

958
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 1: it's really kind of hits home right now. But there's

959
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: a thing that they teach when they shoot, when they

960
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: go into close quarters combat, and that's basically when they

961
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: have to start engaging multiple targets, they teach them to

962
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: move their eyes first then the gun. That being so

963
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: one is for safety, right, because that way your eyes

964
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: and brain can look at the target and go yes,

965
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: that is a threat. I need to, you know, get

966
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: rid of it because you can imagine close quarters. They

967
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: got a bunch of their team members in there. It

968
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: can be dark, it's in a house. You gotta be

969
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: very careful about what direction you're shooting at where you're shooting,

970
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: just like we do when we're out in the field,

971
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, up and bird hunting and there's whatever, ten

972
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: people on a pheasant hunt. Um. And another advantage of

973
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: that is he saying, is that it actually makes you

974
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: faster at shooting. A lot of people think that you

975
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: want to look over or swing to your target with

976
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: your gun, but if you do that, you will actually

977
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: pass over the target and then have to come back

978
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: and correct. Whereas if you go there first with your

979
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: eyes lock on, then bring your target too, then bring

980
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: your pistol or rifle or shot and whatever to the target.

981
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: You'll be faster doing it that way. You know what's

982
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: interesting parallel there, uh is when you take out beginner

983
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: hunters who aren't of customers shooting sculpt rifles, they have

984
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: a very difficult time finding the d or whatever acquiring

985
00:54:54,640 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: the target because they are looking through the scope, trying

986
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: to get oriented through the scope and then searching for

987
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: the thing. Once you get the knack of it, your

988
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: eye never leaves the thing, the thing being your target,

989
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: your target. You're looking at a deer on the hillside

990
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: and you bring your rifle up. You don't then look

991
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: for it. It's just there, like your eyes on it,

992
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: and everything is. The scope is coming to your eye,

993
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: which is already trained on the thing. It's hard to do,

994
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: but you just figure it out over time. You don't

995
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: go like, Okay, I look through the scope, then I'll

996
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: start staring all over the place trying to find the thing.

997
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: It's seamless i first, but you know he relates it

998
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: to like getting tunnel vision, and you know you're getting

999
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: real Like we always talked about the factor of lust

1000
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: and wanting to kill something and wanting to be successful

1001
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: as a hunter. And you know, you see the pheasant

1002
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: flush and you're so focused on that that you don't

1003
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 1: see your buddy that's in the line of fire. Right happens?

1004
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: It does happen? Does happen? I mean A really good

1005
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,959
Speaker 1: example is if you shoot up like old old style

1006
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: South Dakota blockers flankers and pushers. The flankers are only

1007
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 1: on the outside of the field in case a bird

1008
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: peels out. But sometimes right when it starts, these birds

1009
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: start coming up in the middle and they're like, well,

1010
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: there's nobody here, and they're shooting the other flanker or

1011
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,439
Speaker 1: putting shot on him. And I've seen a guy get

1012
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: taken right square and a lip right here flanking the

1013
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: field and he says, I'm not flanking anymore this week.

1014
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: And it, I mean, it was pretty it was. We

1015
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: had to get it out. We had to get the

1016
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: yeah mingus um, okay, more about dogs. While back, I

1017
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,959
Speaker 1: don't know what episode it was that we were talking

1018
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: about blood tracking dogs and about how it's becoming a

1019
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: thing and more and more, states um. And a fellow

1020
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: rode in uh he he wasn't a member, he's not

1021
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: a member of the the United Blood Trackers, but he was

1022
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 1: saying that there's a lot of Facebook based groups that

1023
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: provide volunteer tracking service. Is two Hunters, And what was

1024
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: interesting is that very high success rates for for these

1025
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: dogs to find wounded dear that you might not find later.

1026
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: What kind of numbers did they say in seventeen they

1027
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: went on five seven tracks, had two seven total recoveries.

1028
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: Just makes for a success rate of fifty four point four.

1029
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:32,959
Speaker 1: You know not want to know here, and it would

1030
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: be really important to this is is that after like,

1031
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: is that after you failed manually tracking? I would say typically, well,

1032
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: you'd have to know that because if you're just showing

1033
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: up off out of the gate with a dog, that

1034
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,439
Speaker 1: doesn't impress me at all. I'll bet you though some

1035
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: people they're shooting one in the evening right at dark,

1036
00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: they may just call the dog because we'll normal trailing.

1037
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: I mean normal trailing is yeah, you know high if

1038
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: but if if that's you've exhausted your manual tracking abilities

1039
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: and then you're recovering of what couldn't have been recovered otherwise,

1040
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: that's impressive. Yeah. I mean my only exposure to this

1041
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: was in Idaho. They used a woman shot a bear

1042
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: right at dark. It was raining um and they brought

1043
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: in a teeny little blood tracking dog. That bear had

1044
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: only gone a hundred yards. I don't think we would

1045
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: have ever found it. It was buried in the brush.

1046
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: We couldn't see any blood. So it was a pretty

1047
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: impressive and it it was quick. It was a couple

1048
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: of minutes that dog found. Hey, don't get me wrong, man,

1049
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: I'm not down on it. I think that they should

1050
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: loosen whatever restrictions are in place and make it that

1051
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: it's just the thing. I wish that, like every community

1052
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: had a community to help people with recovery. I'm not

1053
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: down on it. I'm saying if if you could up,

1054
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: if after you exhausted possibilities and you brought a dog

1055
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: and then had a fifty of recovering, that's phenomenal. Yeah,

1056
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: I'd say that's more of the rule of the rule.

1057
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: I've interviewed three three trackers and they're coming into after

1058
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: they can't find it. Very rare. Would they just go

1059
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: in without any intel, just say hey, I shot, just

1060
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: come out with me. But would you say, you know,

1061
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: time we could find it. So it's almost always after

1062
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: a bad weather condition or inability to find anything. No

1063
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: blood thing always gets them. So when they get called in,

1064
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: it's because usually of a lack of blood. Most people

1065
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: see blood that keep going, they don't, They don't look

1066
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: for help. And the dogs are able to now track

1067
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: from the dearest tarso gland, which is just like our

1068
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: thumb print, Like the FBI is not gonna mistake your

1069
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: thumb print for mine. A dog, well trained dogs not

1070
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna mistake that tarso gland smell. It's

1071
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: that dear's individual scent. I'm on that. I'm I'm on

1072
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: Bobby Ranilla and I'm chasing him across as air a

1073
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: lot farm and I'll find him. It's funny mentioned because

1074
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: I got a nephew name Bobby, were knowing, I knew that.

1075
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: The other thing that would affect that statistic is how

1076
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: many of those deer didn't die? Like, so you got there. Yeah,

1077
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: so there's some percentage of those unrecovered deer that didn't die,

1078
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: which I would think would be pretty high. I think

1079
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: a lot of deers survive, you know what people you know,

1080
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: just flesh wounds, and so that makes it even a

1081
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: higher percentage of dead deer that are recovered. And actually,

1082
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: as they've got numbers all the way through UH and

1083
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: the percentages are are every year, it seems a steadily

1084
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: increase Like success straight got up to sixty six mhm. Okay, yeah,

1085
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: ready take it away. Where would you go to recon

1086
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: fighting coons and dogs and barrels or whatever? I said, Well, okay,

1087
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: I listened. Believe it or not, I listened to your podcast.

1088
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: Is quite often and every once in a while I

1089
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: hear you tell a story and I just cringe because

1090
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: it came from you. I know where, I know the source,

1091
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: but I know for a fact that I did not

1092
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: say it like that. But one of the reasons is

1093
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: when I sit with you anywhere, and this has been

1094
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: since the day you worked for me an eighteen years old,

1095
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: you like to engage and ask questions like I could

1096
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: start telling a story and go whoa wait a minute, wait,

1097
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: so this guy? So you remember things and I was

1098
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: talking about and Clay, Clay, you got to jump in

1099
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: on this because you're the coon hunter. Um. Friends of

1100
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: mine told me this story that if you don't want

1101
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: your dog chasing deer, you put the coon dog in

1102
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: a barrel with a bunch of deer legs and roll

1103
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: it down a hill. Now, barbaric, silly, local legend, whatever

1104
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: it is. I started googling this morning and there's a

1105
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: guy who uses doe urine in a in a cup

1106
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: on an electric fence and when the dogs going to

1107
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: smell the dog urine, the dough year and the dog

1108
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: gets a shock from the electric fences. Great, what, Clay,

1109
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: what what have you heard for old legends of breaking

1110
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: them from tress. They call it chasing trash. Well, if

1111
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: Clay doesn't have any, I got it. I've got one.

1112
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: Let's hear it. Go ahead. You know I don't have

1113
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: anything beyond that. I mean the real world, like houndsman

1114
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: typically don't or at least a brand I'm around. Don't

1115
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: buy into that kind of stuff. It's a lot more natural.

1116
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: There's a lot of really pretty easy ways to break right, right.

1117
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: I don't even know if whatever happened, right, I just

1118
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: I just know, guys, I've heard of that same one

1119
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: Ronnie about you know dough y'arin electric fans. Well, I

1120
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: don't have anything, right, let me tell you one here.

1121
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: It would work to keep the dog out of barrels. Though, dogs,

1122
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: you don't even worry about me chasing barrels. Yeah, never

1123
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: gonna happen again. I see a barrel, I go the

1124
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: other way too, Okay, from this same guys, I don't

1125
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: want to see who they are from way back, the

1126
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: same guys that you came away with the story about

1127
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: you fill up a barrel full of deer legs and

1128
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: rolling down the hill. And I was unsettled by this

1129
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: when I heard it from them, back when nothing would

1130
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: unsettled me, but I was unsettled by this. They would

1131
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: also say that when they had one of their dogs

1132
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: kill a fawn, they said, what you do is you

1133
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: hang the dog up in a tree by its collar

1134
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: and whoop it with the fawn. That is brutal. Well,

1135
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: and I later thought that can't be true. We had

1136
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: a guy said I didn't put it on Instagram because

1137
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: it was too graphic. We had a guy send us

1138
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: in a picture. He was very upset by it. It

1139
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: was like a high test collar and a high test lead,

1140
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: like the kind houndsman news, like those bright orange, real

1141
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: heavy freaking collars hanging from a tree, and underneath that

1142
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: collar was a stack of dog bones, telling you what.

1143
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: And he thought he's a hunter. He found it. He's like,

1144
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: this is insane. No one knows what happened at night.

1145
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, No, I don't know. Bad apples for sure.

1146
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: I'm I don't know what happened that night, but I'm

1147
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: assuming it's condemnable. But I'm just saying, like I heard

1148
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: that a long time ago. And we're and you know,

1149
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: we're talking about like, well, people us do a lot

1150
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: of things that they shouldn't do. Right right, Well you

1151
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: said you, Oh mine wasn't. My dad used to uh,

1152
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: his this is for you personally or no dog, No,

1153
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: his his bird dog. He was a gross center back

1154
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: when Pennsylvania used to have grouse, and that dog would

1155
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: occasionally chase deer and it was nothing as bad as

1156
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: what we've already talked about. But he'd hang a piece

1157
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: of deer hide soaked in and dough yearn on that

1158
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: dog's collar. I have no idea if it like to

1159
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: make it sick of it. Yeah, yeah, it's just he

1160
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: did it. Who knows if. I don't know if it worked,

1161
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: but that was something he still talks about doing that

1162
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: to this day. I've had guys telling me about trying

1163
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: a skunk hide onto a dog to make the dog

1164
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: get sick of skunk hide smell, or just get so

1165
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: used to it they don't pay any attention to it.

1166
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know what's funny about you telling

1167
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,439
Speaker 1: how I tell your stories and get him a little

1168
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: as Yet, there's a I can't tell the story because

1169
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: it's very very sensitive material. I could do it if

1170
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: I took my time, very sensitive material. But Ronnie had

1171
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: a story that happened to him I told my brother

1172
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: the story about what happened to Ronnie. A couple of

1173
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: years go by, he's drunk and he's telling Ronnie's story

1174
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: about what happened to me. And Ronnie's halfway through the stories, like,

1175
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: wait a minute, that that's my story. That always happens

1176
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: at the fish check. Uh? Where were we? Keep going around? Well,

1177
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: where are we at? Oh? As far as the scandal,

1178
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: So it's like the Ukraine scandal. There there is in America.

1179
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: There are sporting dog groups, right, individual breed groups. One

1180
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: is Deutsch Drathar Deutsch Kurtzhar, which is a German short hair,

1181
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,919
Speaker 1: German wire hair, and there's other breed clubs that they

1182
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: hold to the standards of the European testing system, which

1183
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: is what NAVDA it's kind of based on. Explain NAVDA

1184
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: real quick well. Navda's North American Versatile Hunting Dog Association.

1185
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 1: And what we're looking for is a well rounded dog

1186
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: that does good work before and after the shot on

1187
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: land and on water. Like and you're a judge for NAVDA, right, Yeah,

1188
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: I've been judging twenty years for him, and so that's

1189
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: what we're looking for. But in the European test and

1190
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: I can't. Actually I did call a friend when I

1191
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: knew I was coming on. I did call a friend

1192
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: in Germany. And what they used to do at least

1193
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: this is my understanding. Somebody can write in and straighten

1194
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: it all out and your German and I'm beam with

1195
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: an um lot over the but we dropped doom lot.

1196
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: It's actually been um anyway. So during a test they

1197
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: went they may not have a let's say, what they

1198
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: don't have. What's a version of a raccoon in Europe

1199
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: um badgers. There a European raccoon, the European badger. So

1200
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: the dogs, because the dogs are always not the badgers

1201
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 1: and raccoons are like the same thing, but they're they're

1202
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 1: a geating bird eating ground eating critters that sure do

1203
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: you want to get rid of. So, because in Europe

1204
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: everything is on private ground, they wanted to keep the

1205
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: grounds as pristine as possible for the ground nesting birds

1206
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: in the rabbits, which are the game that they're hunting.

1207
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: So the dogs were always expected to dispatch any kind

1208
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: of vermin, whatever, whatever they could catch in the course

1209
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: of a day. That if he came across the groundhog,

1210
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: if he came across a badger came across the raccoon

1211
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: skunk kill it eliminate the competition, eliminate everything so the

1212
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: hunter can get something with his shotgun. So part of

1213
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: their testing format on a test day, there's no way

1214
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: you could guarantee like you're going to run into a

1215
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: raccoon on a test day. They but what they would do.

1216
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: There's a breed, a breed warden who also does the

1217
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: confirmation of the dog and make sure that this dog

1218
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: should be bred to that dog. It's kind of like

1219
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: that old school arranged marriages. They get very concerned with

1220
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: the coat on that dog versus the code on this

1221
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: dog or the furnishings they call it. There's a lot

1222
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: of they call the dog's color. It's furnishings. No, it's

1223
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: coat coat. Yeah, so when it has the big beard

1224
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 1: in the big fuzzy faces, furnishings, right, yeah, Rusty always

1225
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: thought it was the testicles. Know, He's always going like, hey,

1226
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: how's that dog's furnishing. Oh yeah, it didn't have any

1227
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: furnish anyway. So so during like right now, currently, this

1228
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 1: is a friend of mine. Uh no, I won't even

1229
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: say what he's decorated for anyway, He's he's over in

1230
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: yourpe right now working for us. Yeah, and so he

1231
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:10,919
Speaker 1: has a German breath. Well, I don't know if I

1232
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 1: I really I don't know how far we're gonna go

1233
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: into that. But anyway, he told me that in Germany

1234
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: right now, if this happens in the course of a

1235
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: hunt and you're with somebody as a witness, okay, they

1236
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 1: that is still a desirable trait. So if you and

1237
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 1: I were out hunting and my dog even a feral cat,

1238
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,719
Speaker 1: my dog dispatched a feral cat, I could say, like Steve,

1239
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,639
Speaker 1: write a note to my breed Warden that you're a hunter.

1240
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: I saw, I saw Ron's dog do it, and it

1241
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: would go. It would be duly noted in that dog's paperwork. Now,

1242
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: what they've done here, I can't speak for Germany, but

1243
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,640
Speaker 1: when I started getting into the Versaill Dog world, I

1244
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 1: knew a lot of people that were in what's called

1245
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 1: the v d d g n A that's very in

1246
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 1: Deutsch Rat Group North America, and that's the group that

1247
01:09:55,800 --> 01:10:00,440
Speaker 1: the fellow from Alaska wrote the email from. Okay, Um,

1248
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: the best of my knowledge, that is still a requirement

1249
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: to breed. They want to make sure that your dog

1250
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: will dispatch game. And they called a sharpness or hardness hardness.

1251
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: I think it's hardness like HD. What would most American

1252
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 1: upland hunters with dogs, I would think would consider that

1253
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: to be an undesirable trade. Well, I've always said they

1254
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:25,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't have started if they had porcupines in Germany, Like

1255
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: I really think they would not if they had porcupines

1256
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: in Germany. That it's because porcupines are the worst thing

1257
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 1: for a dog to get into. My dogs have killed

1258
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: raccoons to get a scratch on the ear. Go kill

1259
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: a porcupine and it's six dollars of emergency that you know,

1260
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: I'm taken out. So anyway, So that was part of

1261
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 1: the testing to the best of my knowledge, and to

1262
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: the best of my knowledge it still is. But you know,

1263
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: somebody can write in the controversy came up um in NAVDA.

1264
01:10:55,760 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: Nowhere in our testing do we test on for. But

1265
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 1: you are allowed in this one part of a one

1266
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 1: part of our utility test. We take typically a duck

1267
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: and we put like a long leash on it, and

1268
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: it's called a drag. So the dog is over in

1269
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 1: the truck with the owner. I make a little feather pile,

1270
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: and I dragged this duck yards and the dead duck

1271
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: a dead duck, and I drag it into the woods

1272
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: and kind of hide it. And then I go behind

1273
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 1: another tree or something to stay out away from the dog.

1274
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 1: I blow my whistle. They call the owner. The dog

1275
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: comes up. Now, this isn't the dog's test of nose

1276
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:33,679
Speaker 1: because a dead duck dragon in the grass. I mean, anybody,

1277
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: your dog at home could find that. We can try

1278
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: it tonight if you had time. Um, But what this

1279
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: does is shows the dog's cooperation and obedience, like you

1280
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 1: have to go retrieve that. And in our rules, because

1281
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: we have a big background, we have a historic connection

1282
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: with Germany. Boat a winner held it started NAVDA. You

1283
01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: know he came from that world, and we allow replacement

1284
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 1: if the chapter will provide a duck. But if you

1285
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: are a person that wants to do it with a

1286
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: rabbit or a squirrel or a woodchuck, you could bring

1287
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 1: your own dead let's say, cold dead road kill or

1288
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: something you had in refrigerator the night before. Because a

1289
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: lot of the members from v D D G n

1290
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: A are also members of Navada, so they're practicing. These

1291
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: are people that really like to test their dogs. So

1292
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 1: they come to our venue and they test their dogs,

1293
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: and they go in their venue and test dogs and

1294
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 1: their and their venue. There's a lot more of these

1295
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: drag which is the retrieve, and there's a lot of emphasis.

1296
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: There's an old saying that the Europeans want a tracking dog,

1297
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 1: little point and Americans want to pointing dog, little track.

1298
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 1: So their emphasis in Europe has always been on recovery

1299
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: of game. Like you are not allowed to go upland

1300
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:52,919
Speaker 1: hunting your duck hunting without a dog. You can in America,

1301
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: but not in Europe, not in Germany, and you can't

1302
01:12:55,920 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: big game hunt unless you have the resources of it's

1303
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: like a United Blood trackers, which they don't have there,

1304
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: but they always have. Like the hunting property that Ben

1305
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: told me about it, they call it a reserve. Might

1306
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 1: be two or three farmers get together and let's say, okay,

1307
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: let's let's get a lesi to come out here and

1308
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: they can hunt and they can, you know, take some

1309
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: of the road deer or the red deer whatever is

1310
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: on the in that area. And you know, if there's ducks,

1311
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: they can hunt ducks. So those hunters are kind of

1312
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: in charge of that piece of property. And so in

1313
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: Germany or in the vd d g n A testing,

1314
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: they do a lot more recovery, so they want they

1315
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: actually will drag a dead fox and they call it

1316
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 1: a fox in a box that dogs jump over like

1317
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: a box edge and retrieve a fox and bring a

1318
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: fox back a rabbit backup, you know. So that's where

1319
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: the that little miss up happened. We don't trained for

1320
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: it in our test, but at one portion of lar

1321
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: test you are allowed to bring in your own cold

1322
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: fur god for that portion test. Nowhere else in the

1323
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 1: test can you substitute whatever the chapter would provide for you.

1324
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 1: Can you explain what you were telling me about you

1325
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: mentioned that in certain German systems where there's a person

1326
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:14,560
Speaker 1: that you mentioned the arranged marriage thing. Yeah, you that

1327
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: you could have a dog and bring it down and

1328
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 1: and that dog would get stamped do not breed right

1329
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: if if the dog, if the dog failed, Let's say

1330
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 1: let's say the dog did fail. It's hard dis test

1331
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 1: like this dog just can't close the deal on a

1332
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 1: skunk or a possum or whatever. They would stamp do

1333
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:35,679
Speaker 1: not breed on their papers because you can't breed within

1334
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 1: the club without the blessing of the club. We're in America.

1335
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 1: You and I could breed your dog and my dog.

1336
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 1: No one's gonna stop me. But in when you're in

1337
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 1: that club, of that breed club, the breed warden, like

1338
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: he sits at the throne of the breeding, he'll say like,

1339
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 1: Steve's got a dog that's um got a nice coat,

1340
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:56,719
Speaker 1: maybe not a great undercoat, and Ron's got a dog

1341
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:58,600
Speaker 1: that's coat would compliment that. Now they have to have

1342
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 1: all the hunting skills up there through testing. See oh,

1343
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: in that club, you also don't get to breed your

1344
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: dog unless it passes these tests. We're Navada. You could

1345
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 1: fail your dog and still go to your neighbor and

1346
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 1: breed your German short hair to his German short hair.

1347
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 1: They could both and sell it as a German short hair.

1348
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 1: But they don't have to pass the test to be bred.

1349
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:24,600
Speaker 1: But if it's in the European judging system or or

1350
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: breed club system, those dogs not only have to participate

1351
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 1: in the test, they have to get a passing score.

1352
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: So you don't have a bunch of you know, guys

1353
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: like me in high school breeding Basically, uh what in

1354
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: your mind based on uh, your experienced judge and dogs.

1355
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: If someone's gonna go this is highly subjective. I understand

1356
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 1: if someone's gonna go buy a dog, like I don't

1357
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 1: know what kind of dog to get. I want the

1358
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: most versatile dog I can find on the planet. You

1359
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,640
Speaker 1: would say, the one that was near and dearest to

1360
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 1: my heart was a German wire head pointer, which is

1361
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 1: the English version of Deutsche droth her so. Deutsche is

1362
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 1: German dropped her is wire hair, so German wire hare.

1363
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 1: That's always been my go to favorite dog. But that's

1364
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 1: not the kind of dog you run. No. I got

1365
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 1: tired of all the cats and all the deer and

1366
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: the fawns and the porcupines, and the dog fights, and

1367
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,799
Speaker 1: because they're just too aggressive. They can be to aggress

1368
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 1: shouldn't say too aggresive, they're aggressive, they're aggressive. Yeah, if

1369
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: there's a dog that's prone to, you know, even getting

1370
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 1: a fight with another dog, it's a dog that's got that.

1371
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 1: He's kind of like a hyper vigilant dog. It's almost

1372
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,600
Speaker 1: like picture a bunch of guys that fighting m m

1373
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: A and going drinking with them. There's probably gonna be

1374
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 1: a fight in the bar that night, right, But if

1375
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: you went to the men tell you not, they tell

1376
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: you because it's all that aggression is released into the ring.

1377
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 1: Yeah all that. Yeah, And what's funny is I went

1378
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: to an M m A fight one time and watched

1379
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 1: no fewer than three fights in the crowd, including one

1380
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 1: that sent a woman away on a stretcher. But then, meanwhile,

1381
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 1: was supposed to be that there's no it's all alleviated

1382
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: through the spectacle. I'm like, oh, you can't like a

1383
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 1: hockey game. You can't take the hard the hardness out

1384
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: of the dog, you know. So so the dogs I run, now,

1385
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 1: yeah they are. They're kind of known for not The

1386
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 1: Italians are not. They don't have that type of testing system.

1387
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: They've never had it. The dogs just had to perform

1388
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 1: in the field for upland game. So generations, hundreds of

1389
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: years of that get a dog that really doesn't care

1390
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: much about you know. For now, it still happens, don't.

1391
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. Bravo Bravos killed a couple of

1392
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 1: cats in his later years for some reason. I don't

1393
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:44,640
Speaker 1: know why, but I would trust him around most domestic animals.

1394
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: A broco Italiano still has that. They're just pretty. They're

1395
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 1: just not interested in for but the German wire hair

1396
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 1: or Deutsch strathire, or the German short hair or the

1397
01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:01,679
Speaker 1: German equivalent is the Deutsch kurtzher. Those animals are more

1398
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 1: prone to Like if you're out hunting in a feral

1399
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 1: cat scoots out of the grass, that's the last run

1400
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: for the cat. It's gonna be honest. What's the worst

1401
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 1: kind of dog? Oh, there's no worst. It's really that

1402
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 1: gets down to breeding, Like if if what what I

1403
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:18,679
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, If so, there's not a kind of dog

1404
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 1: that people insist on buying, and then you, after all

1405
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 1: the testing experience you've had, you're just like you just

1406
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: you're wasting your time. I would say, I would say

1407
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 1: in every breed of dog, I could find you one

1408
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: that would be adequate in the field. But there are

1409
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: breeds that haven't had the testing and and kind of

1410
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 1: lost favor with the upland hunter over the Like the

1411
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: one that everybody talks about is the Irish center. You know,

1412
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: real pretty mahogany coat, you know, just a friendly dog.

1413
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: Back in the day. That was the upland dog in

1414
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 1: North America for for years, and then the popularity when

1415
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 1: the German dogs came over after War War two, the

1416
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 1: hunters started going for German short hairs and German wire hairs,

1417
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: and win Mariners, and and and the the breeders who

1418
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: are still breeding the ira center. They just lost popularity.

1419
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 1: And so right now to take an Irish center and

1420
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 1: put it in through our system, it could be done,

1421
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 1: and it is done. But if you called me up

1422
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: and said, ron, I want a versatild dog and my

1423
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: wife wants Iras center, I'd say, let's get you one

1424
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 1: that you got a better chance of. Yeah, Brody, telling

1425
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 1: about your dog, Man, Oh, the English springer Spaniel. He's

1426
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: got big shoes to fill. Man, my dog was good

1427
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: and that dog just required very little training. But um,

1428
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 1: I went a year after that first one died. I

1429
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:49,679
Speaker 1: didn't know if I was going to get another one.

1430
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 1: Got another Springer Spaniel, and uh, man, it's just it's

1431
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 1: not his fault. It's like he's coming along. I shot

1432
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: a couple of grouse over him, pheasants, a couple of

1433
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: ducks over him last last fall, and the old dog

1434
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 1: would retrieve ducks. This one will not so far. Um,

1435
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: how old is it, Brodie, He's about sixteen months now. Um,

1436
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: give him time. Well, that's the problem. Is like I

1437
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 1: just you know, I go hunting for other stuff and

1438
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: don't dedicate enough time to training him, and so hopefully

1439
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: he'll come along. I'm not writing him off yet. What

1440
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: do you think of the general name of the dog?

1441
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 1: What's the dog's name, Dusty? The name of the kind

1442
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: of daylish springers a flushing dog. So I don't have

1443
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 1: a lot of background with flushing dogs. There's three major types.

1444
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:46,799
Speaker 1: The hounds that that Clay has, which for tracking, mostly

1445
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 1: for big game or raccoons, and then you have the

1446
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 1: flushing dogs, which are in the retriever category. So you've

1447
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 1: got Springer Spaniels, Irish water Spaniel, Labrador Retriever uh chest

1448
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 1: Peak Bay Retriever. When those dogs are used, they're retrieving specialists,

1449
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: which is kind of funny. That doesn't pick up a

1450
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 1: duck usually pick up everything. He's kind of a whim.

1451
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 1: Well then that happens. There's no fixing that, right, Yeah, No,

1452
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,640
Speaker 1: Usually maturity fixes that sometimes. Just didn't you ever know

1453
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: kids that like like my daughter Jesse, she didn't. She

1454
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 1: was real shy and now she's on news every other Sunday,

1455
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, doing a cooking segment. She was real shy

1456
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 1: as a kid just took her a while to find

1457
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 1: her voice, and dogs can be the same way. Yeah,

1458
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,759
Speaker 1: I mean he'll he'll pick up he picked up grouse

1459
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 1: and yeah it was new and he was like, yeah,

1460
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I'm not even supposed to you know, right,

1461
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, if the first thing you shot form was

1462
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: a duckling out of season, he might be good duck. Right.

1463
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 1: So those dogs don't point, so therefore they're not in

1464
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:50,600
Speaker 1: the I don't judge Springer Spans with you. Yeah. Um,

1465
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,600
Speaker 1: But as far as training the dog, it's all the

1466
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 1: same training. You know, the you just know in the process,

1467
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 1: like Brodie's job is to make sure that dog stays

1468
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 1: within shot on range, and the dog's natural range should

1469
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: be more cooperative, it should be more around you anyway.

1470
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 1: And with the pointing dogs, you have to work on

1471
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 1: the steadiness of the point because of a pointing dog

1472
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 1: will find a bird and after a while he just

1473
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: he just he just can't handle it and he's gonna

1474
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: and if he gets into that bird before you get there,

1475
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 1: which could be to yards away, especially in the Dakotas

1476
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 1: or why hunting North Dakota, you can see a dog

1477
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: on point three hundred yards away. Well, if he can't

1478
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: hold his ship together, you're not get any birds. You know,

1479
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:37,799
Speaker 1: break breaks point exactly. So that's like our curses working

1480
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: at steadiness, and in a flushing dog, it's keeping that

1481
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 1: dog within let's say yards, You don't and they you know,

1482
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 1: you want him quartering back, which he does. What they

1483
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 1: do nice and is you always think, why are the

1484
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 1: birds always out there where my pointing dogs found him?

1485
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 1: Well they're also birds you're walking by. Because your dogs

1486
01:22:57,800 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 1: are already two hundred yards away from you. You You can't

1487
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: smell it on the ground. The flushing dog kind of

1488
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 1: vacuums like everywhere you're walking. So a lot of people,

1489
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 1: it's very popular, will hunt with a flushing dog and

1490
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,799
Speaker 1: a pointing dog. Oh yeah, Now the training comes into

1491
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 1: like when the when the two lines meet. But a

1492
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 1: lot of times that pointer could just be out there

1493
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 1: on the horizon or out there in the field hunting,

1494
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 1: and your flusher could be walking along a fence line

1495
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 1: with you and boom, take something right out of there.

1496
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 1: You probably roll your eyes and people tall you this

1497
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 1: because I bet you everybody tells you this. But when

1498
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 1: you knew our dog, we had a really good dog,

1499
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: like a really good flushing dog growing up. Yeah, you

1500
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 1: had that white lab. Yeah she was great for rough grouse.

1501
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 1: But the only that made her good for rough grouse

1502
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 1: she didn't go far away, right she was, so she

1503
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: would run. She flushed birds. I don't know when she

1504
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 1: was flushing birds, but she'd just be like busybody and

1505
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 1: within twenty yards you no matter where you went, and

1506
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: inadvertently kick stuff up. And it was very good at

1507
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 1: finding it, yea. So it wasn't that it's goodness was

1508
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 1: only that it liked to smell around and didn't go away.

1509
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: And if there was a thicket that you didn't want

1510
01:23:58,360 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: to go into and you waited for a minute, she'd

1511
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 1: eventually get bored and going there and look around and

1512
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: something comes busting out. Yeah, And like when you like

1513
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 1: grouse hunting by our house, Like if a grouse is

1514
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:10,640
Speaker 1: on the ground and you just start walking by, like

1515
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:13,759
Speaker 1: that grouse's job is to sit. Like when he flies,

1516
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna get taken by a hawk, right Statistically, that's

1517
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 1: how they're going to die the most. So his job

1518
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 1: is to sit. So if you're walking through the woods

1519
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 1: with your brothers and you're talking the girls is like

1520
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: they don't know, they don't know I'm here. But now

1521
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 1: you throw this other thing that's like, what, what's that

1522
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 1: a erratic footstep? Why? Why am I hearing footsteps over here?

1523
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 1: Why am I hearing footsteps? And then that kind of

1524
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,640
Speaker 1: unnerves the grouse and girls like I can handle three

1525
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:37,679
Speaker 1: kids walking by me. But whatever that, you know, whatever

1526
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 1: that which is more like a coyote or a bobcat,

1527
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 1: you know that's of course they don't hunt like a

1528
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 1: dog does. But um so that yeah, yeah, duchess would

1529
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 1: be a real helpful again with the range though, if

1530
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 1: she did that fifty yards from you, you'll be hot.

1531
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 1: If people want to hunt a flusher and a pointer,

1532
01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 1: how come nobody's just breeding two of them together and

1533
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 1: coming out with the best of both worlds. You know,

1534
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 1: a lot of money right there. Business point. You know,

1535
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: I got a little English cocker spaniel right now, and

1536
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:10,560
Speaker 1: I could breathe that with one of my broccles and

1537
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 1: see what happens. But I'm not thinking that would work

1538
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 1: because whatever whatever instincts gonna if the pointing instinct comes

1539
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 1: through in the dog, it's always going to point, at

1540
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 1: least initially. And then if you were looking for that

1541
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 1: dog to just flush, and he kept the ranginus of

1542
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 1: the pointing dog. Well, then you're back out to unshootable birds.

1543
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: But it is real popular to hunt with a like

1544
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 1: a lab or cocker or springer um while you've got

1545
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 1: a pointing dog running out, you know, yeah, and there's

1546
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 1: a whole thing with like one the flushing dog honoring

1547
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 1: the pointer or vice. That's where the real high level trade.

1548
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 1: Like you tell the one dog, if you see him point,

1549
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 1: don't go in there and screwing it up right right,

1550
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 1: So if you would, if you saw your dog point,

1551
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: you would call your your flushing dog to heal you go.

1552
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 1: He'd come right back to your legs. You don't want

1553
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 1: to blow it. You don't want him to blow it. Right,

1554
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 1: But if you get close enough, now, if you're worth

1555
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 1: in ten yards of your dog and you know there's

1556
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 1: something there because you get to know your dog's points,

1557
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the tail gets loose or the

1558
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 1: body gets loose, or he might kind of look over

1559
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 1: his head and see if you're coming. That usually means

1560
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 1: the bird's gone or the birds starting to move. But

1561
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 1: his training is like I'm not allowed to move until

1562
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:24,559
Speaker 1: my boss gets here. So what you don't want is

1563
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: that little flushing dog running in on a pointing dog

1564
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 1: when you don't know the situation yet. But when you

1565
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 1: get to say, let's say ten yards, let the little

1566
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 1: flusher go. But now the pointing dog can get mad

1567
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 1: because that's his bird. So you've gotta have it's it's

1568
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 1: a struggle are there with these high test, well trained dogs.

1569
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 1: Do you ever see anybody that gets that. They're able

1570
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 1: to go in and hunt woodcock and real dense cover

1571
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: and they whatever. Then the dogs like the pointer is,

1572
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm only gonna work thirty yards, I'll still point. I'm

1573
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 1: working close. I've seen. But then you're going to open

1574
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 1: cover and the dog you're able to communicate to the dog,

1575
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: and then all he's he's out seventy eight yards looking

1576
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 1: for a pheasant out and open cover. It can can

1577
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 1: is it? Or is it one or the other? No, no,

1578
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 1: it should be both. In fact, in the NAVSA rules

1579
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 1: we don't implement it as much as we used to.

1580
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: But what we would do, Let's say if we rented

1581
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:18,680
Speaker 1: uh a forty acre or we had a lease on

1582
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: a forty year eighty acre hay field to use for

1583
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 1: the field and if there was an adjoining wood lot.

1584
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: So in our old rules were take the dog now

1585
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: that's hunting this field, Take the dog into the wood lot,

1586
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 1: and you should see the dog's range tighten up. So

1587
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 1: that's an expectation that is an expectation doesn't always come,

1588
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 1: but it's an expectation, you know. And and honestly, I

1589
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 1: can't remember more than a half a dozen tests where

1590
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't worry, we got a little piece

1591
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:46,200
Speaker 1: of woods, will walk through the woods to get to

1592
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 1: the next field, and I will make a note like

1593
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 1: that dog just wanted to get to the next field.

1594
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 1: Like and if there was a grouse sitting on the

1595
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 1: side of this wood lot, we weren't going to find it,

1596
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 1: you know. But it's something that we don't really set

1597
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 1: up for the test, but it is in our kind

1598
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 1: of our judge's hand. It's something we can do if

1599
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: we opt to explain. Um, we we're talking last night

1600
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 1: as well, and you were talking about a thing that

1601
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:13,720
Speaker 1: that that you guys trained dogs to do that is

1602
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: just completely This has not like like residential house dog owners,

1603
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 1: this is not on their radar. But but the what

1604
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 1: do you call it where they get up on the block. Oh,

1605
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 1: I was talking about the program. My my friend justin

1606
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 1: to no no, yeah, but yeah, we'll talk to explain

1607
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 1: the program, but explain like what that's called, Like it's

1608
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 1: just part of the it's part of you guys take

1609
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 1: it as a matter of course that of course you

1610
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: can hunting dogs should do this. But you were talking

1611
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 1: about I don't know why any dog owner wouldn't want

1612
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: to establish this capability. It makes sense. Yeah, Well, we

1613
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 1: referred to it as a calming touch. So when a

1614
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 1: when a puppy is young, um, when you're real young,

1615
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 1: it's a matter of maybe putting them on your lap

1616
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 1: and fiddling with their paws and fiddling with their ears.

1617
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 1: Most puppies turn them on their back and they're like,

1618
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 1: you know, they don't want to be under back, So

1619
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 1: you do the best. No matter how nice the dog is,

1620
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 1: the bets got to wrestle it right, right, there's those dogs.

1621
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 1: So what we would do is, let's say, once you

1622
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 1: get this dog home and he's let's say, twelve weeks old,

1623
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 1: and he's you kind of gotta wait till they show

1624
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 1: you a little teenager nos in them. You know, if

1625
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 1: they're just walking around a little dopey. I mean, there's

1626
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 1: not much resistance. But what would do is take this

1627
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 1: dog up onto an elevated platform, whether it's your picnic table,

1628
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 1: a tailgate. And yeah, but you have in your in

1629
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 1: your shop, you have actual training table. The ramp right,

1630
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 1: and that's used for a whole lot of stuff. So

1631
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 1: I just happened to use the ramp and the table um.

1632
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: But for a person, let's say when you got your

1633
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 1: dog home. Now, yours was four months old when you

1634
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 1: got it. You don't know the history of it. But

1635
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 1: let's say it was eight weeks from a breeder or

1636
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,680
Speaker 1: a farmer had an accidental litter. If you were to

1637
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 1: take that dog and in a show where they call

1638
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 1: stacking it, we call it a calming touch. You get

1639
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 1: it to sit up there, and you've got a short leash,

1640
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 1: or you kind of hold it by the leash, you know,

1641
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: hold it by its collar. You take your other hand

1642
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 1: and you run it down its back and up its

1643
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 1: tail and down its legs. You'll see a lot of

1644
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 1: dogs you you go to grab their lower leg and

1645
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 1: they pull their leg up, and they pull their leg up. Well,

1646
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 1: there's ways to offset that, like if they if you're

1647
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 1: having trouble letting them. They just don't want you to

1648
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 1: touch their back left leg for some reason. You reach

1649
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 1: around and you take to the right back leg. You

1650
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 1: start putting pressure on that while you're it's almost like

1651
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 1: you're milking a cow. You grab their right rear leg

1652
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they put their left one down,

1653
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 1: and uh, they're like, they're like basically trusting you to

1654
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 1: give them a physical exam because you can't. You can't

1655
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 1: ask a dog do you get any ticks on you today?

1656
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 1: You can't ask a dog give a toothache. You can't

1657
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 1: ask your dog do you have a ear infection? So

1658
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 1: you want your dog to be able to your hands

1659
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 1: should be able to literally, uh, stroke the tail, stroke

1660
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 1: the legs open, the lips up, pick his ears up,

1661
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 1: pick his lips up, count his teeth while he's standing there,

1662
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 1: while he's standing there. Now, that doesn't happen in one course,

1663
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 1: but it's something that like all people would benefit when

1664
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 1: they bring home a new dog. You know, uh, well,

1665
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 1: my brother is training llamas, like breaking and training llamas.

1666
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 1: After you get to the point where you can just

1667
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:08,439
Speaker 1: you know, they're very like they're not like a horse.

1668
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 1: They never become your friend. I'm sure someone will be like, oh,

1669
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 1: my lot was my best friend. But I mean generally

1670
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 1: they're they're not. They don't need that. They don't have

1671
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 1: that deep connection where they were. A lot of horses

1672
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 1: really seem to like appreciate a human presence like they're

1673
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 1: just they're a little more they're a little more wild.

1674
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 1: It's safe to say. They're Yeah, they're they're not quite there. Um,

1675
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 1: a thing is working to the point. It's just funny

1676
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 1: you mentioned the feet. A thing is working to the

1677
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 1: point where you can handle his feet right, and it

1678
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 1: takes a lot. It takes a lot to get there

1679
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 1: where you're gonna approach it and touch its foot because

1680
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 1: it's like a sign of like, okay, we've gotten somewhere

1681
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 1: that I can touch. And it's really all it is

1682
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 1: is let the dogs just gotta you know, get his

1683
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 1: composure and be like, okay, this is this will be

1684
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 1: over in a minute. And then after a while the

1685
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:57,759
Speaker 1: dog really likes it. And you know what dog doesn't

1686
01:31:57,760 --> 01:31:59,679
Speaker 1: like to be competitive? Whose dog comes up and said,

1687
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 1: keep pet he keeps knocking your arm up. That same

1688
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:03,640
Speaker 1: dog if I stuck him up on a cooler in

1689
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 1: your backyard and I want to start looking at his

1690
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 1: back legs. He probably yeah, away from my back legs.

1691
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:11,639
Speaker 1: So even in our in our testing, during a utility

1692
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 1: test or natural ability test, when a dog comes out

1693
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 1: of the water, we feel their coat, We count their teeth,

1694
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 1: and we look at their eyes set to make sure

1695
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 1: they don't have like tropical and tropic eyelids. And we

1696
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 1: for males, we also check for testicles to make sure

1697
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:29,800
Speaker 1: they don't are not mon orchid or missing testicles, both

1698
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 1: of them. And that goes into our notes. And that way,

1699
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 1: when somebody reads about a dog that they had sold

1700
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 1: to California, they're like, oh good, that puppy came out

1701
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 1: with odds teeth, two testicles, and a harsh coat. And

1702
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 1: and we get that on test day, like this dog,

1703
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 1: it won't let us look at its mouth. I mean,

1704
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 1: it's absolutely like a kid of a temper tantrum. You know,

1705
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 1: you can get bit actually if you if you're not careful,

1706
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:57,720
Speaker 1: and that'll count against that dog. It won't count against it.

1707
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,720
Speaker 1: But if we can't get the tooth, let's say, we

1708
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 1: can't get the tooth exam done. No matter what, the

1709
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 1: dogs just ain't doing it ain't doing it. Then we'll

1710
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 1: put a note on the car and we'll come into

1711
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, when the magazine scores are posted, it'll say

1712
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 1: tooth exam, um, dog too sensitive for tooth exam. Uh right,

1713
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 1: But that also tells you, as you're buying a dog

1714
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:20,600
Speaker 1: later on, like, well, that's rare. It's rare that we

1715
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,800
Speaker 1: can't look in the dog's mouth. It's it's rare. It's

1716
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a rodeo while you're doing

1717
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 1: it sometimes. But I can always tell the people who

1718
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:30,800
Speaker 1: did this calming touch their dog because dogs just stand

1719
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 1: there like just like a dentist. It's like, it's like,

1720
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,160
Speaker 1: let what's I mean. I haven't been to the dentist

1721
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 1: with a kid in a long time. But what was

1722
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 1: your your kid's first dentist deployment? Oh, they're a little

1723
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 1: freaked out by the littlest one, right. He had to

1724
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 1: go home with no toy because and come back a

1725
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 1: couple of days later. But only they happened his brother

1726
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 1: and sister got the toys and it burned him up

1727
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 1: so bad. A couple days later he got all picked up,

1728
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:55,680
Speaker 1: went back in there and got taken care of. But

1729
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:57,559
Speaker 1: picture if you'd have took here. He had had stitches

1730
01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 1: a few times, so he didn't like he the minute

1731
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 1: he got an He's like, no, I bet you even

1732
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 1: smells like an asept because like, I know what goes

1733
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:06,639
Speaker 1: on here. We're gonna start selling something in my head. Right.

1734
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 1: But picture if you had a kid and you prepared

1735
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:11,679
Speaker 1: this kid from a baby, like no, no, no, stop.

1736
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 1: Once they understand, like no, mom and dad just gonna

1737
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 1: look to see if that little if you did that

1738
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 1: over and over again, then you put him in a

1739
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 1: dentist chair. He's like, yeah, hey, my mom does that.

1740
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 1: It's it's such a simple thing to do with a dog.

1741
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 1: Should you be would they should it be that? Um

1742
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 1: like in your mind, if it's properly trained, should it

1743
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 1: be that you could that it could have it could

1744
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 1: be limping because it's got a cactus thorn and its paw.

1745
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 1: It should stand out there and let you pull that. Yeah,

1746
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:39,759
Speaker 1: and the one guy like have your body like restrain

1747
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 1: it and tape It's joshut happens a lot. Remember I

1748
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 1: sent you the picture that wooden doll that you're strapping

1749
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:48,879
Speaker 1: the dog's mouth to get porcupine quills. I've taken porcupine

1750
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:51,719
Speaker 1: quills out of Bravo's mouth. He mouthed when he didn't

1751
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 1: kill it, and I just said sit and I just

1752
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:56,839
Speaker 1: grabbed his big old lips and I got my leatherman

1753
01:34:56,880 --> 01:35:01,439
Speaker 1: out and started pulling. He just like, okay, a big deal, really,

1754
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 1: but other dogs you get bit oh that that had

1755
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:06,160
Speaker 1: my brother's dog and they had it was like a

1756
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 1: group effort. I couldn't. I couldn't trim my my about

1757
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 1: like nail trimming, like Karen, can you trim your dog's nails?

1758
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 1: Or do you bring it to a place I do?

1759
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:18,559
Speaker 1: I do everything on my own. And how how's your

1760
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 1: dog do with it? Great? I mean that That's what

1761
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you. Is the takeaway for

1762
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 1: you know, everybody, the one yeah, exactly for everyone, the

1763
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 1: one thing because I, um, you know, I got a Newfoundland.

1764
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:32,720
Speaker 1: This is like moved Montana. Always wanted a dog, so

1765
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 1: I just like went for the biggest freaking dog exactly

1766
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 1: exactly as much as I do. Um. But the one thing,

1767
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, I was like getting obsessed with reading training

1768
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:47,839
Speaker 1: books and watching videos online. The one thing that seemed

1769
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:51,759
Speaker 1: to make the most sense to me, which wasn't exactly

1770
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 1: a training technique, but seems to be training is to

1771
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 1: touch that animal everywhere all the time. So I would

1772
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 1: stick my fingers in his mouth. I would, you know,

1773
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 1: touch its ears everything. You can literally take his ears

1774
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,240
Speaker 1: and put a bowl in it if you wanted to. Yeah, yeah,

1775
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean I give him hairstyles and I actually have

1776
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:14,880
Speaker 1: tied his ears together, get like a little ponytail. Um.

1777
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 1: It's terrible. But it comes to clipping nails now, people

1778
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:21,320
Speaker 1: have to go pay, you know, a groomer to do

1779
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 1: to trimm the dog's nails because the dog just freaks

1780
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:28,600
Speaker 1: out because you're trimming its nails. My dog has to

1781
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 1: be put under. That's how bad it is. Phil. We

1782
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 1: took her somewhere, they had her muzzled and strapped, and

1783
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 1: they still couldn't do it. So they actually gave her

1784
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 1: a we she was astray on the Fort Peck Reservation.

1785
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 1: We don't know what her life was like before we

1786
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 1: adopted her, and so but like you can't go near

1787
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 1: her pause nothing. She's terrified. Yeah. Well, you know what's

1788
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 1: saddest thing they had to meet. One of the saddest

1789
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 1: things ever happened to me is uh, hang you left

1790
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 1: t l I that was sad. Remember remember and Miles

1791
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 1: Sab used to hang out out with that old guy

1792
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 1: West Monsel. He was in his nineties and his wife

1793
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 1: passed away, and me and him were out messing around,

1794
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:09,640
Speaker 1: driving to try to find some mushrooms one time, and

1795
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:11,680
Speaker 1: he was he was eighty seven at the time, or

1796
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 1: maybe he just turned he's I think he's eighty seven,

1797
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 1: and we get we we stayed out longer, and we

1798
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 1: were playing out and staying out and and uh, he

1799
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 1: wanted me to drive and drop him off at the doctor. Okay,

1800
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:23,639
Speaker 1: So now I was kind of weird, like, oh, what's

1801
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 1: going on while he's got a doctor, you know? So

1802
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 1: I dropped off and he goes in there for a

1803
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 1: while and I just mess around wait from to come out.

1804
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:31,559
Speaker 1: And we're driving home. I was like, what's what's going

1805
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 1: on at the doctor there? And he goes, I had

1806
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 1: to get my ton ails cut because my wife had

1807
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 1: always cut my tones. I can't reach down there, so

1808
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 1: you had to make an appointment at the doctor. I said,

1809
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 1: I cut your damn you know, he never had me

1810
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 1: do it. I was like, I'll cut your tonils. I

1811
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 1: don't care going to the doctor to cut your tonils.

1812
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:51,240
Speaker 1: Just beat alone and old man. Yeah, get a loving

1813
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 1: family and everything, but just maybe sad, ye to make

1814
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:57,640
Speaker 1: you sad. Hearing about that, it kind of creeped me

1815
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 1: out a little bit actually, because because now you're thinking,

1816
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:03,679
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like you know that book I was trying

1817
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 1: to write, real men don't wear short socks or crocs,

1818
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:08,879
Speaker 1: and real men don't, you know, go to get a pedicure.

1819
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 1: And now I know guys that actually go get pedicures.

1820
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 1: It's not that he wasn't going to get a pedicure.

1821
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 1: He's going to a doctor to have his tone nails cut. Well,

1822
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:16,719
Speaker 1: you know, he could have went to a pedicure place.

1823
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:19,400
Speaker 1: He's probably not. He probably doesn't want to be that

1824
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 1: kind of guy. Or let's go, let's get back to dogs. Yeah, yeah,

1825
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 1: I'll just feel sad about my friend by myself. Tell

1826
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 1: everybody about the Upland Institute project, okay, which we kind

1827
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:32,280
Speaker 1: of been talking about without talking about it, right, right.

1828
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 1: So I have a very good friend that's a really

1829
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:39,840
Speaker 1: well known dog trainer in West Michigan. I've known him

1830
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:42,599
Speaker 1: off and on since he was really young, and uh,

1831
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 1: he's been training dogs for thirty years. Him and I

1832
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 1: kind of reconnected when he moved close to me and

1833
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:51,479
Speaker 1: with me being a judge and seeing all the different

1834
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:54,640
Speaker 1: things that our training related issues during a test, like

1835
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:57,439
Speaker 1: our upper level tests are a lot of obedience. Our

1836
01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 1: puppy test is a lot of just natural natural mo ability.

1837
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 1: What do you what do you roll under? Obedience, steadiness, retrieving, healing, waiting,

1838
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, waiting when we go do shots away from

1839
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 1: the dog. Everything in that test there's a there's obedience

1840
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 1: portions of it like come on called falls in death, sure,

1841
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:20,799
Speaker 1: primary will be right stay whoa um? So we're always

1842
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 1: sitting there kicking things back and forth about like oh

1843
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 1: I saw and he says, well, yeah, that's probably because

1844
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 1: the person didn't do this before they did that. And

1845
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 1: I think back on my testing career, which I don't

1846
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:33,559
Speaker 1: test my dogs very often, but as a requirement, you

1847
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 1: are required as a judge to test your dog every

1848
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 1: so often because they want to put you on that

1849
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 1: side of the fence. So you don't. You're just not

1850
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 1: to judge your whole life. You gotta go there and

1851
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 1: go like me and my dog are here. Guys, Guys,

1852
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:47,800
Speaker 1: remember I might be watching you next year. You know.

1853
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 1: Hell man, you should have seen me my last test.

1854
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 1: I was actually told that I was no longer a

1855
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 1: judge last January or no two januaryes ago. I said.

1856
01:39:57,720 --> 01:39:59,559
Speaker 1: Made they go, well, you went over your grace here.

1857
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:01,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I didn't like. Yeah, we keep pretty

1858
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 1: good records. And I had to get a test lined

1859
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:07,320
Speaker 1: up and I did, and it was bravo that big

1860
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:09,960
Speaker 1: dog I have with a long tail, that big big broco.

1861
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:14,280
Speaker 1: And we're not as in the test. But as a judge,

1862
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:17,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, we're we're okay. I would be so

1863
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:19,840
Speaker 1: unnerved in that environment. Man, we're not going to get

1864
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 1: all fours today. We have a zero to four. But

1865
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:24,639
Speaker 1: I said, I got twos and threes in the right spot.

1866
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 1: We're okay. Last part of the test, last part of tests,

1867
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 1: the easiest part. They launched a duck with a launcher,

1868
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:33,960
Speaker 1: like a big giant sling shot. They launched this duck

1869
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:38,559
Speaker 1: across a duck, a duck, expired duck, dead duck, out

1870
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:41,519
Speaker 1: of a launcher a giant sling shot. Huh. It's like

1871
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 1: it's like a four foot sling someone saves the duck

1872
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 1: from when we save it from other things, or we

1873
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:49,840
Speaker 1: buy ducks like that. But anyway, every dog loves this.

1874
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:52,360
Speaker 1: The dog. You know the birds up in the sky.

1875
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 1: You shoot the blank gun in the air to simulate

1876
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 1: the shot, which is another part of obedience. He's not

1877
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 1: allowed to leave until the duck hits the water out um,

1878
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:03,599
Speaker 1: and and then you send the dog. And I'm like, oh,

1879
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna pass. I'm gonna be a judge again. And

1880
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:09,800
Speaker 1: Bravo just stood there on the bank and looked at

1881
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 1: that duck and I'm like, fetch, fetch, pitch it up.

1882
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:18,559
Speaker 1: He's not budging, he's not putting his toe in the water.

1883
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:21,960
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this dog loves fetching out of the water.

1884
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:25,280
Speaker 1: I take this dog goose and duck hunting right. He's like,

1885
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:27,880
Speaker 1: ain't doing it. And I'm like, what am I gonna do?

1886
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:30,000
Speaker 1: So that you know the judges there and they all

1887
01:41:30,040 --> 01:41:32,040
Speaker 1: know me because you know, you make friends over the

1888
01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:36,439
Speaker 1: years and their dogs harshly. And I also know that

1889
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:38,960
Speaker 1: to pass this portion, that dog has got to get

1890
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 1: that duck out of that water. All my pleading is

1891
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:46,040
Speaker 1: going to bring my score down. But if I can

1892
01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:49,559
Speaker 1: get that duck to shore, I'll get a one. I'm

1893
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:55,240
Speaker 1: pleading brings your score down, sure does? Oh yeah, here

1894
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 1: to make a way down if you can. So he

1895
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:59,840
Speaker 1: just whisper plead. Well, yeah, I'm like I'm literally lit

1896
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,639
Speaker 1: like I'm acting like I'm doing this on purpose. I'm

1897
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:05,599
Speaker 1: stroking his back and like, good boy, fetch you, fetch

1898
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 1: I'm they're hearing good boy, good boy, and I'm gonna

1899
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:14,519
Speaker 1: fetch you, fetch you and he's just like nope, nope,

1900
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:18,400
Speaker 1: and they're like, what do you want to do it?

1901
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:21,320
Speaker 1: So I have a you have an option? Do you

1902
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:24,439
Speaker 1: not have an option to take a rock? Okay, now,

1903
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:27,200
Speaker 1: I already know my score is down there, but if

1904
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 1: that duck comes back to Shore by his job, I'm

1905
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:35,040
Speaker 1: gonna just like it in school, I'm gonna I'm gonna

1906
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have low numbers and you're gonna let me

1907
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:42,400
Speaker 1: graduate in high school even if I got to d mindus. Okay,

1908
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 1: it was just, you know, it was algebra. And finally,

1909
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:47,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the rock or what

1910
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:50,439
Speaker 1: it was, but finally it was just like at that point,

1911
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:53,799
Speaker 1: I'm going, really you Now, the judges like ron quitex

1912
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 1: so silly. I'm like I'm looking at Bravo and face like, really,

1913
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:58,080
Speaker 1: you don't want me to be a judge again? You

1914
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:00,160
Speaker 1: can't go out there and get that damn duck of me,

1915
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,559
Speaker 1: and they're like, all right, rock calm down a little bit.

1916
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 1: I think I threw I can't remember if I threw

1917
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:07,600
Speaker 1: a rocker. Finally, he just went, we're doing into the

1918
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:09,760
Speaker 1: pond and swam out, got the duck, gave it to

1919
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:12,600
Speaker 1: me like nothing. He just I don't know if he

1920
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:14,720
Speaker 1: was messing with me. I don't know what he's doing,

1921
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:18,559
Speaker 1: but yeah it was. He watched you, uh, demean all

1922
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:20,559
Speaker 1: those other dogs, and he's like, you know what, body,

1923
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:23,439
Speaker 1: and hear you ruin enough dogs days where I'm gonna

1924
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 1: ruin your I hear you all the time, what your

1925
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 1: friends talking about it. Watch Watch how I can make

1926
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:30,759
Speaker 1: you nervous. I really thought, I'm like, oh my god,

1927
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:37,400
Speaker 1: we are failing today. But anyway, project, Justin mcgrail and

1928
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:40,720
Speaker 1: myself we started kicking around the idea of like what

1929
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:44,599
Speaker 1: if I got a camera and kind of followed your

1930
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:48,760
Speaker 1: process through a whole bunch of dogs. And it took

1931
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 1: us fifteen months to film it. We filmed it in

1932
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:55,320
Speaker 1: four states because because Justin is a guy that um,

1933
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't train dogs for testing. You know, he can

1934
01:43:58,280 --> 01:44:00,000
Speaker 1: do parts of it, but that's not he's he's trying

1935
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 1: and the dogs for a hunter wants to go wild

1936
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:04,799
Speaker 1: bird hunting with your dog. So he literally takes strings

1937
01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:09,400
Speaker 1: of dogs to Kansas, runs them Montana before the season

1938
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:11,479
Speaker 1: opens in August, same thing. Him and I went to

1939
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:14,320
Speaker 1: North Dakota and filmed in August, and all that was

1940
01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:17,760
Speaker 1: reinforcing that yard training and that field training we did

1941
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:22,080
Speaker 1: in Michigan. And we have real nice shots of like say,

1942
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of sharp tails getting up and the dog

1943
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:25,519
Speaker 1: just standing in the middle of the sharp tails just

1944
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:29,120
Speaker 1: oh boy, you know, and he'll take a blank gun

1945
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 1: at that point and then he'll shoot the blank gun

1946
01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:34,120
Speaker 1: and dog stands through it. So that's the kind of

1947
01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:39,840
Speaker 1: style of training and his But but oh, it's very instructional.

1948
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:41,519
Speaker 1: It in fact, it's not like look what the dog

1949
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:43,160
Speaker 1: can do with the right training. It's like, how, here's

1950
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 1: how you do. And and we show examples like day one,

1951
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:48,479
Speaker 1: like here's the dog the first time on a woe post.

1952
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:51,320
Speaker 1: It's almost like the first time you try to train

1953
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 1: your dog trimmy dogs nails. He's jerking. He gets on

1954
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:56,680
Speaker 1: this woe post, which is a solid steak like a

1955
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:59,599
Speaker 1: horseshoe steak, and a little cable. First time he hits

1956
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:01,640
Speaker 1: the end of well, he's bucking like a horse and

1957
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:06,320
Speaker 1: he's he doesn't understand why, and you eventually when he doesn't,

1958
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 1: when he does give you what you want, which is

1959
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,680
Speaker 1: him to just stand there, then you start overlaying a

1960
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:13,280
Speaker 1: name to it, which in that case would be woe.

1961
01:45:14,120 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 1: It goes back like hell to you. Don't you don't

1962
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 1: start a dog. You don't teach a dog to heal

1963
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 1: with the word heal. You teach a dog to heal

1964
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:24,120
Speaker 1: with motion and a leash. Once you see the compliance,

1965
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:28,760
Speaker 1: then you give the command a name. And I watched him.

1966
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:31,439
Speaker 1: He would come on my podcast about every six months,

1967
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:34,679
Speaker 1: so I get listener questions and the way he breaks

1968
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:39,160
Speaker 1: down a question, it's like always like number one downloaded episodes.

1969
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:42,240
Speaker 1: They just love the way he even and it's hard to,

1970
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:44,759
Speaker 1: you know, look at someone's dog from an email because

1971
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:46,360
Speaker 1: you're not you're only getting what he said. My dog

1972
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:48,800
Speaker 1: doesn't pick up the bird. Sometimes it does, and he's

1973
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:52,519
Speaker 1: you know, he just breaks it down. And so we decided, Um,

1974
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, I felt I was kind of confident from

1975
01:45:57,640 --> 01:46:00,840
Speaker 1: doing shows with you to watch the camera guy does,

1976
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:02,600
Speaker 1: so I had I put myself in the job of

1977
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:06,680
Speaker 1: the cameraman and followed him along for fifteen months, and

1978
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:09,840
Speaker 1: I would we're really lucky that COVID hit so that

1979
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:11,680
Speaker 1: shut my company down and I could go over to

1980
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:14,200
Speaker 1: his kennel, I could go to Kansas, North Dakota. I

1981
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:17,240
Speaker 1: had the whole year want to do whatever heck I

1982
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:20,719
Speaker 1: wanted to and uh, and we were putting it together.

1983
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:23,400
Speaker 1: It's it's an editing, it's an audio right now, and

1984
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:26,719
Speaker 1: it's it's coming out hopefully by the time this errors,

1985
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:29,040
Speaker 1: it should be out. And it's called the Upland Institute

1986
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:32,240
Speaker 1: dot com or that's a website and what how's it

1987
01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:34,000
Speaker 1: going to function? Like if someone wants the material, what

1988
01:46:34,040 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 1: do they do to get the material? They would they

1989
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:39,160
Speaker 1: would purchase the material. They there right now on the website.

1990
01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:41,800
Speaker 1: There's a trailer commercial that talks about it. And then

1991
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:45,799
Speaker 1: there's in the beginning, we've got three three classes were offering.

1992
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:49,320
Speaker 1: The one is called Foundation and Fundamentals. And that's when

1993
01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:52,240
Speaker 1: you were kind of talking about that you could do

1994
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:53,720
Speaker 1: that with a lot of dogs. And that's what you're saying,

1995
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:57,559
Speaker 1: any dog, dog, house dog, whatever, any dog would benefit

1996
01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 1: because it's all that early stuff that expo. As you're

1997
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:03,719
Speaker 1: putting the foundation blocks underneath it. It'll go a little

1998
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:07,120
Speaker 1: bit further into introduction to birds and introduction to gunfire.

1999
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:12,479
Speaker 1: But you know, in the beginning, like crate training, tie out, stake, calming,

2000
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:16,519
Speaker 1: touch come one called early exploratory walks. Those are things

2001
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:18,880
Speaker 1: that every dog should do with their owner. And people

2002
01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:21,360
Speaker 1: kind of get in this habit of like they treat

2003
01:47:21,439 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 1: that puppy like a little kid instead of like a dog,

2004
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:28,080
Speaker 1: and they tend not to expose it to enough stuff.

2005
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:30,080
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, the dogs six months

2006
01:47:30,120 --> 01:47:32,960
Speaker 1: old and goes to the dog parking dogs. You know,

2007
01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:37,519
Speaker 1: he's in a corner, you know, without the confidence. So um,

2008
01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:41,599
Speaker 1: foundation and fundamentals is like the core class. And then

2009
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:45,280
Speaker 1: Brody you might know this little bit. Yanni doesn't do it,

2010
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:47,479
Speaker 1: and I'm sure Clay doesn't do it in the hound world,

2011
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:50,320
Speaker 1: but in the retrieving world, it's a thing called the

2012
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:53,439
Speaker 1: trained retrieve. If your dog is a sloppy retriever or

2013
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 1: doesn't pick up game, or picks it up and drops

2014
01:47:56,040 --> 01:47:59,320
Speaker 1: it fifteen feet from you. Um, there's a process to

2015
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:01,360
Speaker 1: go through to clean up that retrieve and called the

2016
01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:05,200
Speaker 1: trained retrieve. And it's got sixteen different parts to it,

2017
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:08,519
Speaker 1: you know. But so that that's a separate class. A

2018
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:11,960
Speaker 1: person could buy that class um if they just like, say,

2019
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:13,880
Speaker 1: I don't care for my dog Steady, and he's pretty

2020
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 1: good dog, let's me clip clip his nails and he's

2021
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:18,759
Speaker 1: already create trained, but I wouldn't mind some better retrieving

2022
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:20,880
Speaker 1: out of him. So you could do that class. And

2023
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 1: then what piggybacks onto foundations and fundamentals is advanced bird work.

2024
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:28,720
Speaker 1: That's where you would see a dog that not only

2025
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:32,519
Speaker 1: would hold point, but learn to relocate on birds, learn

2026
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:34,920
Speaker 1: to hunt with another dog, and back and honor another dog.

2027
01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:37,560
Speaker 1: It's like it's like an appointing dog world. If a

2028
01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:41,599
Speaker 1: dog's on point, another dog sees it. Ideally that dog

2029
01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:43,679
Speaker 1: is going to point the dog that's pointing the bird,

2030
01:48:44,240 --> 01:48:46,800
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, he's at work. I can't sneak up

2031
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:49,759
Speaker 1: on him. Let him get his work done. My dogs

2032
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:51,040
Speaker 1: don't do that. I mean, if I can get it

2033
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:53,320
Speaker 1: ready for a test, I could do it, but I don't.

2034
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:55,160
Speaker 1: I don't hunt him that way, you know. I just

2035
01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:57,320
Speaker 1: try to get good, trying to be a better wingshooter

2036
01:48:57,360 --> 01:48:58,880
Speaker 1: than I am a dog trainer. To be honest with

2037
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:02,080
Speaker 1: you you mentioned Johnny's dog. I think the interesting thing

2038
01:49:02,120 --> 01:49:06,200
Speaker 1: about um, what mingus is supposed to do or what

2039
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:09,000
Speaker 1: Clay's coon hounds are supposed to do, is a bird

2040
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:10,760
Speaker 1: dog is supposed to He's kind of got to know

2041
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:14,479
Speaker 1: all these things, right, Yeah, like just a lot of

2042
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:18,920
Speaker 1: commands and stuff. Like the hound dogs they're kind of

2043
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:23,160
Speaker 1: it's like they it's like, no, man, you got not that.

2044
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:26,400
Speaker 1: Not that it's one thing, but all this stuff about sitting, healing,

2045
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:29,400
Speaker 1: rolling over, shaking hands and all that's like not part

2046
01:49:29,439 --> 01:49:33,400
Speaker 1: of the conversation. It's like, did you do anything like

2047
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:35,040
Speaker 1: that Yanni with him or were you just trying to

2048
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:37,800
Speaker 1: get him on a raccoon early on? Yeah? No, we

2049
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:39,400
Speaker 1: still I mean I want him to be a good

2050
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:42,639
Speaker 1: uh family dog first and get companion, so I try

2051
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:45,280
Speaker 1: to be real harsh on him with like when we're

2052
01:49:45,320 --> 01:49:48,360
Speaker 1: running together, come when I call, Yeah, come, money calls.

2053
01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:50,160
Speaker 1: We did a lot of work on the what's the

2054
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:53,920
Speaker 1: long rope called rope fancy terms. You do do some

2055
01:49:54,040 --> 01:49:56,320
Speaker 1: of that house dog stuff. Oh yeah, I guess because

2056
01:49:56,320 --> 01:49:58,640
Speaker 1: it's your house dogs. Yeah exactly, Clay. You must have

2057
01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:01,120
Speaker 1: because I used to watch you did some of your

2058
01:50:01,160 --> 01:50:03,000
Speaker 1: YouTube's and one of your dogs is always on your

2059
01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:05,599
Speaker 1: you know, behind you during your podcast and during your

2060
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:08,240
Speaker 1: YouTube stuff. Did you do a lot of obedience with

2061
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:13,479
Speaker 1: your hounds? Very informal obedience training that that particular dog

2062
01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:15,680
Speaker 1: and and a lot of these dogs I'm hunting are

2063
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 1: just naturally pretty obedient and and you know, so informal

2064
01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:23,240
Speaker 1: training just by them being around me so much, you know.

2065
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:26,839
Speaker 1: So what that is is like dogs get certain things inherited,

2066
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:30,840
Speaker 1: and that's called cooperation with a dog on our scorecard.

2067
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:34,880
Speaker 1: And so cooperative dog isn't a real challenge to live

2068
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:37,400
Speaker 1: with if they're cooperative dog and done a little bit

2069
01:50:37,479 --> 01:50:40,280
Speaker 1: of overlank sit when stay, or wait to give you

2070
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:43,360
Speaker 1: a food bowl. But there's a lot of dogs that

2071
01:50:43,439 --> 01:50:46,679
Speaker 1: have a super high desire, like their desires at attend

2072
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:50,080
Speaker 1: and their co operations at a two and so they're

2073
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:52,920
Speaker 1: they're like, I hate that. I always analogize kids to it.

2074
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:55,439
Speaker 1: They're like that kid that can't sit down in class,

2075
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:57,840
Speaker 1: always getting yelled at, always getting put in the hall.

2076
01:50:57,880 --> 01:50:59,759
Speaker 1: The teachers like, oh, we gotta put them on ridland.

2077
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:02,800
Speaker 1: You know. That's kind of like there's bird dogs and

2078
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 1: hounds I'm sure that are much like that. They're almost

2079
01:51:06,040 --> 01:51:08,240
Speaker 1: like a it's like a three ring circus getting them

2080
01:51:08,240 --> 01:51:10,479
Speaker 1: in and out of the truck. And where I would

2081
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:12,760
Speaker 1: venture to say that you could tell your home dogs

2082
01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:15,720
Speaker 1: to sit open one door and load one up if

2083
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:18,160
Speaker 1: you cared to do it. But I've never really spent

2084
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 1: any time with a lot of houndsmen a little bit.

2085
01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:24,120
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's there's a lot of variants in

2086
01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 1: the hounds. Some of them are not and I've heard

2087
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Speaker 1: the term used biddable there. There there's some strains of

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01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 1: hounds that are just they're just not interested in that.

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01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:36,679
Speaker 1: They're just not that good. Not to say it couldn't

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01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:39,599
Speaker 1: be done, but primaries, primarily it's an issue of function.

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01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:41,639
Speaker 1: We just don't use them that way, so we don't

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01:51:41,680 --> 01:51:43,880
Speaker 1: need them trained that way. But I think even if

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01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:47,400
Speaker 1: you could train them that way, it did they would

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01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:52,040
Speaker 1: never be most of them would never be as good

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01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:54,040
Speaker 1: as maybe some of the bird dogs that have been

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01:51:54,200 --> 01:51:59,400
Speaker 1: bred for so long to be cooperative. I got a

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01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:03,400
Speaker 1: odd question for you, then we'll open up Membail has

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01:52:03,439 --> 01:52:06,280
Speaker 1: got specific dog questions. But first of all, you guys,

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01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:08,880
Speaker 1: where do people go find the well? You just you know,

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01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:13,040
Speaker 1: type in upland institute. And what's they'll find the website

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01:52:13,080 --> 01:52:15,639
Speaker 1: if you do that. Yeah, www upland Institute dot com.

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Speaker 1: That's the name of it. And it's available when people

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01:52:18,640 --> 01:52:21,240
Speaker 1: are listening to this, it's available, should be available. If

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01:52:21,439 --> 01:52:24,920
Speaker 1: if for any reason it's not available, you know, you

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01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:27,439
Speaker 1: can just put a email. There's an email sign up

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01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:29,760
Speaker 1: page and notifind me when it is. But it's like

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01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:32,600
Speaker 1: an ola carte transaction. You picked the things you want downloaded,

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01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:35,320
Speaker 1: right you you you pick the courses you want, and

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01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:39,120
Speaker 1: you download it and it's yours for life. Ron. I'd

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01:52:39,120 --> 01:52:43,360
Speaker 1: like to commend you only what four episodes being on

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01:52:43,439 --> 01:52:47,000
Speaker 1: the show, you picked up all that knowledge. Is a photographer,

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01:52:47,120 --> 01:52:55,519
Speaker 1: it's well shot, it's pretty I'm like, I'm impressed he

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01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:58,600
Speaker 1: was taking notes there there. I did take notes, and

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01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:03,400
Speaker 1: I was always shocked with your your videographers in the field.

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01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:06,280
Speaker 1: And and I remember you told me to editing has

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01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:10,599
Speaker 1: got a big thing to do with it. It's all

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01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:12,719
Speaker 1: to do. You gotta still be good with the camera.

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01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:16,040
Speaker 1: But when we started, like day one, when we started

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01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:18,760
Speaker 1: doing this, I went out and bought a GoPro and

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01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:22,640
Speaker 1: like called up my son in law, who he's an

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01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:26,479
Speaker 1: editor for another hunting company and he said, what do

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01:53:26,479 --> 01:53:28,439
Speaker 1: you goetta go pro for? I said, well I wouldn't.

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01:53:28,439 --> 01:53:30,360
Speaker 1: He goes, no, you need a movie camera. And I

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01:53:30,479 --> 01:53:33,200
Speaker 1: called up I think it was Rick or Garrett. One

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01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 1: of them was real good. He got back with me

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01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:37,800
Speaker 1: and he told me the brand of camera that we

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01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:41,400
Speaker 1: shot in Montana. He said, that's you'll be able to

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01:53:41,439 --> 01:53:43,439
Speaker 1: figure out how to use it. It doesn't have too

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01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:46,880
Speaker 1: many features, but it'll it'll be everything you need. So

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01:53:47,160 --> 01:53:49,120
Speaker 1: then I went out and spent a bunch of money

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01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:51,040
Speaker 1: on the camera. And then I was like, well, we

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01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:54,800
Speaker 1: gotta do this now, you know, because it's invested. I'm invested, right,

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01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:58,600
Speaker 1: and uh just just uh yeah. So there was a

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Speaker 1: secret to a lot of it. It's called the tripod,

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01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:04,000
Speaker 1: which you guys, we never carry tripods for the camera

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01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:07,519
Speaker 1: guys out there, but um, when whenever I could set

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Speaker 1: something up because we kind of know what's gonna happen,

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01:54:10,280 --> 01:54:12,880
Speaker 1: but what you're doing instructional, so it's different, right, right,

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01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:15,479
Speaker 1: So we'll shoot off sticks like they'll shoot off sticks

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01:54:15,479 --> 01:54:17,200
Speaker 1: now and that on food stuff. But generally we like

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01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:21,560
Speaker 1: that kind of like um moving around like like like

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01:54:21,720 --> 01:54:24,720
Speaker 1: it's like with the body, you know what I mean yeah,

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01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:29,320
Speaker 1: like it feels more human to human. You know, it

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01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:32,120
Speaker 1: has more of a like a present quality to it's

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01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 1: free hand. Yeah, you don't call it freehand though, what

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01:54:34,640 --> 01:54:39,120
Speaker 1: the hell they call it? Yeah? Freehand? Sure, but can

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01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:42,760
Speaker 1: I see my dog? No? I mean Yanni never, he

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01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:46,200
Speaker 1: doesn't compliment made people buy anything. Well, I do appreciate that.

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01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:48,840
Speaker 1: And I also found out that I also found out

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01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:51,840
Speaker 1: that editors, well I just I'm saying he doesn't throw

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01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:54,840
Speaker 1: them around. Let me put it differently, Yanni doesn't run

2152
01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:57,720
Speaker 1: around given compliments where they're not doing all right. Well,

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01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:00,120
Speaker 1: then yes it is if you get one. It was

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01:55:00,160 --> 01:55:03,720
Speaker 1: good visually, it's very pleasant to watch. It's well, he

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01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:06,560
Speaker 1: doesn't blow a bunch of smoke. No, okay this in now.

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01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:10,040
Speaker 1: I was told recently that I'm stingy with my likes

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01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:16,160
Speaker 1: on the Instagram. People know that he can anybody crop

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01:55:16,280 --> 01:55:19,000
Speaker 1: right now, listen. I like it because you don't run

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01:55:19,080 --> 01:55:21,560
Speaker 1: around just shine everybody up all the time. And when

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01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:23,680
Speaker 1: it was a compliment, you pay, you pay attention to

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01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:26,280
Speaker 1: the compliment. It's an earned compliment. I feel good when

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01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:28,400
Speaker 1: you're honest. HiT's something like button on mine. Steve never,

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01:55:28,680 --> 01:55:32,240
Speaker 1: Steve never does anymore. Come on, don't know what I do.

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01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:36,800
Speaker 1: Let me get my other shot. I'm not that fond

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Speaker 1: of the platform, but I should have said this, so

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Speaker 1: we we were going to start an Instagram account for that,

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01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:47,000
Speaker 1: but that's not something I'm counting on. I'm advertising this

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01:55:47,120 --> 01:55:49,680
Speaker 1: in magazines and partners of mine and from the podcast,

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01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:53,800
Speaker 1: so all this information will keep coming up on my

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Speaker 1: Instagram count which is the Hunting Dog Podcast. Don't go

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01:55:56,640 --> 01:55:59,200
Speaker 1: to my name, go to the hunting Dog podcast. That's

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01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:02,960
Speaker 1: your handle that yeah, no underscores and the lashes the

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01:56:03,040 --> 01:56:06,200
Speaker 1: hunting Dog Hunting Dog Podcast on Instagram, and we'll put

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Speaker 1: up notifications and clips and stuff like that so you

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01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:13,120
Speaker 1: can also get information from that. I'm glad you said Instagram.

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01:56:13,880 --> 01:56:15,920
Speaker 1: Here's my dog question. I kind of know the answer

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Speaker 1: to it, but I just i'd like to hear you

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01:56:17,200 --> 01:56:26,640
Speaker 1: say about it. Um our little dog will heal for me? Okay,

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Speaker 1: and it will heal on command off leash or on

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01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:34,680
Speaker 1: a leash either. That's impressive. It does it farther away

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01:56:34,760 --> 01:56:37,120
Speaker 1: off leash? Sure? Because no, because I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: have the ability to get its attention right, but it'll

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Speaker 1: like it kind of knows. I'm talking about right unleash

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01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:47,880
Speaker 1: dead nuts. But it won't do the command for other people.

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01:56:48,680 --> 01:56:52,480
Speaker 1: But in like sophisticated dog training, I'm guessing that you

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01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:56,680
Speaker 1: like do do you guys? Um? Do you guys view

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01:56:56,720 --> 01:56:59,160
Speaker 1: it that a dog should be that any handler should

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01:56:59,160 --> 01:57:00,640
Speaker 1: be able to come in and get out of the

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01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:04,160
Speaker 1: dog or is it handler specific? I I would say

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01:57:05,120 --> 01:57:08,080
Speaker 1: if somebody had a dog that was really well rounded,

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01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:10,320
Speaker 1: I could probably take him to a test and pass him.

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01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:12,560
Speaker 1: And healing is in the test, so he would probably

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01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:16,000
Speaker 1: acquiesced and saying okay, he's my owner today. But most

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01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:19,400
Speaker 1: dogs would act differently without their owner. But I get

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01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:23,200
Speaker 1: it with the differently. But but like a properly trained horse, yeah,

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01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:27,240
Speaker 1: it's almost like horse are probably gonna I should ruin

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01:57:27,320 --> 01:57:29,200
Speaker 1: us by my sister in law. My understanding of a

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Speaker 1: properly trained horse is that riders can be interchangeable. Yeah,

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01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:36,080
Speaker 1: there's a style of riding. A rider should get on

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01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:37,880
Speaker 1: that horse, and it should it shouldn't need to figure

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01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:40,440
Speaker 1: out you know, it's like this means that, this means that,

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01:57:40,640 --> 01:57:43,360
Speaker 1: and the basics are squeeze the legs mean this, the

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01:57:43,480 --> 01:57:46,000
Speaker 1: rain like these basic commands that if you're a ride

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01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:48,600
Speaker 1: or you ride a certain style and the horse's right,

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01:57:48,640 --> 01:57:50,200
Speaker 1: you should be able to be functional with the horse.

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01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:53,160
Speaker 1: But I always see dogs that they're just not gonna

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01:57:53,200 --> 01:57:55,280
Speaker 1: listen to most people, and then there's a person to

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01:57:55,400 --> 01:57:57,160
Speaker 1: listen to, right, And I think that just comes from

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Speaker 1: them being a pack animal. Like somehow you've established yourself

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01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:03,280
Speaker 1: as to alpha and the dog kind of understands that,

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01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:05,760
Speaker 1: and like, well, when Steve tells me that, he means it.

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01:58:06,120 --> 01:58:07,800
Speaker 1: And if the kids try to do it, you know,

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01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:11,000
Speaker 1: I bet you you probably work more with a dog

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01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:15,560
Speaker 1: than the kids do. Well. When I when it doesn't

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01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:19,360
Speaker 1: do what I say on that least, it doesn't go unnoticed, right,

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01:58:20,720 --> 01:58:23,760
Speaker 1: you know, like right, and that's how you snap you

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01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:25,360
Speaker 1: if you give it a little now you don't. I mean,

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01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:26,480
Speaker 1: I don't need to do anything now. I just need

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01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:29,600
Speaker 1: to like just give it a little jiggle. And she's like, oh, yeah,

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01:58:29,800 --> 01:58:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm good. I don't think she likes it. I think

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01:58:32,160 --> 01:58:33,920
Speaker 1: when I got around the least, she's like, damn it,

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01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:38,080
Speaker 1: this guy probably like that dog given given themselves. They

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01:58:38,200 --> 01:58:40,080
Speaker 1: just feel like a horse they've given. If a horse

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01:58:40,160 --> 01:58:41,440
Speaker 1: had his choice, he'd be out in the pasture. He

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01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:45,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't be rolled can I think about it. They're like, really,

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01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:48,760
Speaker 1: I gotta care your dumb mess around all day, you know,

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01:58:49,360 --> 01:58:50,760
Speaker 1: and a dog to say, way, like if you did

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01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:53,200
Speaker 1: do nothing with a dog, the co operative ones are

2229
01:58:53,240 --> 01:58:54,680
Speaker 1: gonna be able to be lived with, and the wild

2230
01:58:54,720 --> 01:58:57,200
Speaker 1: ones are gonna drive it crazy. They're just always going

2231
01:58:57,240 --> 01:58:59,880
Speaker 1: to be into something because there's no structure. It goes

2232
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:03,760
Speaker 1: right back to kids, no structure, no foundation, you're dealing

2233
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:06,800
Speaker 1: with problems down the road. Later on, Yeah, I had

2234
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:08,480
Speaker 1: a guy to say something interested me the other day

2235
01:59:08,480 --> 01:59:11,040
Speaker 1: about kids, and we were talking about having rough dads.

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01:59:12,200 --> 01:59:14,440
Speaker 1: He was saying that, you know, after spending his career

2237
01:59:14,480 --> 01:59:17,960
Speaker 1: in public education as an administrator and then having you know,

2238
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:20,080
Speaker 1: his own family as well, he said, I used to

2239
01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:23,160
Speaker 1: be worried about being too hard on my kids, But

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Speaker 1: after the things I've seen in my career, I realized

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01:59:25,400 --> 01:59:27,000
Speaker 1: that the people that are too hard on their kids

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01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:31,240
Speaker 1: have it just about right. That's kind of that goes

2243
01:59:31,320 --> 01:59:34,160
Speaker 1: with dogs. You gotta be there's a there's a point

2244
01:59:34,200 --> 01:59:36,480
Speaker 1: of you have to I'm the boss, you know, and

2245
01:59:36,640 --> 01:59:41,200
Speaker 1: you're and you're not. I remember, um, yeah, you probably

2246
01:59:41,200 --> 01:59:45,880
Speaker 1: don't even remember this, but I remember you, uh and

2247
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:48,280
Speaker 1: talking about because you had kids before I had kids,

2248
01:59:48,280 --> 01:59:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, tad older than I am, and U two dads. Yeah,

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01:59:52,920 --> 01:59:54,960
Speaker 1: and just your thing about um, I'm not here to

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01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:59,720
Speaker 1: beat your friend. Oh you'll do that later, but right now,

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01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:03,040
Speaker 1: this isn't about us be friends. Oh it's right when

2252
02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:05,040
Speaker 1: I would, you know, I would go on those rants

2253
02:00:05,080 --> 02:00:08,040
Speaker 1: and rays. It's like when somebody's like, oh, I want

2254
02:00:08,080 --> 02:00:10,320
Speaker 1: my kid to be my their best friend, Like, well,

2255
02:00:10,360 --> 02:00:13,320
Speaker 1: then your kid doesn't have one, because if you're your

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02:00:13,400 --> 02:00:17,200
Speaker 1: kid's best friend, man, he's a lonely kid. Your best

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02:00:17,240 --> 02:00:19,000
Speaker 1: friend should be in a pup tent when you're twelve

2258
02:00:19,040 --> 02:00:22,960
Speaker 1: years old, sleeping in the backyard. Shouldn't be you. Yeah, yeah,

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02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:25,920
Speaker 1: my kids are my friends now. Yeah, because they weren't

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02:00:25,960 --> 02:00:30,560
Speaker 1: back then. They're like, may he finally likes me. I

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02:00:30,600 --> 02:00:32,440
Speaker 1: mean I didn't even go to sports games, you know.

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02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:35,680
Speaker 1: It's like I didn't join I didn't join tennis. Why

2263
02:00:35,720 --> 02:00:38,440
Speaker 1: would I go to tennis game. I'm not interested in tennis.

2264
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:41,280
Speaker 1: I wanted to join baseball. When I was a kid.

2265
02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:44,720
Speaker 1: My dad says, you're terrible. You can't catch or anything.

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02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:47,320
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, but my buddy Rusty, he's in

2267
02:00:47,320 --> 02:00:48,520
Speaker 1: a little league and I want to go in Little

2268
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:51,600
Speaker 1: League and he goes, all right, all right, fine, we're

2269
02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:53,000
Speaker 1: gonna get you, but you're going to every game and

2270
02:00:53,040 --> 02:00:56,120
Speaker 1: every practice. He never showed up to one. It was

2271
02:00:56,200 --> 02:00:57,840
Speaker 1: my job to get on my bike and go there.

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02:00:57,920 --> 02:01:02,120
Speaker 1: And it was miserable. I have learned a lot. You

2273
02:01:02,240 --> 02:01:04,600
Speaker 1: kind to realize this, but I actually like picked up

2274
02:01:05,160 --> 02:01:06,640
Speaker 1: like a handful of I didn't have a ton of

2275
02:01:06,680 --> 02:01:08,520
Speaker 1: exposure to you and your kids because we were working

2276
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:11,000
Speaker 1: and stuff or hunting or whatever, but I picked up

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02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:14,200
Speaker 1: a handful of like, um, it's hard to explain it,

2278
02:01:15,160 --> 02:01:20,480
Speaker 1: just like I recognized early on, like a demeanor the

2279
02:01:20,600 --> 02:01:25,960
Speaker 1: way you spoke to your kids. Uh, I don't know,

2280
02:01:26,160 --> 02:01:31,160
Speaker 1: there's like like authority but understanding on equal footing but

2281
02:01:31,280 --> 02:01:32,880
Speaker 1: not you know, it was like it was it was

2282
02:01:33,280 --> 02:01:35,240
Speaker 1: you spoke to your kids in a deliberate sort of way.

2283
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:37,760
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, you know. There was not like sweet

2284
02:01:37,800 --> 02:01:41,240
Speaker 1: talking people know it. It was it was very conversational

2285
02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:43,920
Speaker 1: with them, like kind of like leveling with them. I

2286
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:46,640
Speaker 1: picked up on that, you know, I like I noticed

2287
02:01:46,680 --> 02:01:50,160
Speaker 1: it even prior to having kids, that there was a it.

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02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:53,160
Speaker 1: It didn't seem accidental, you know, it seemed like it

2289
02:01:53,240 --> 02:01:55,720
Speaker 1: was a developed way to deal with kids. I'll give

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02:01:55,800 --> 02:01:57,840
Speaker 1: I'll give Sue most of the credit because I was

2291
02:01:57,880 --> 02:02:01,640
Speaker 1: working on the road, but that way of I mean literally,

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Speaker 1: i'd get compliments. I could take my three girls when

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Speaker 1: they were ten or twelve years old to a dog

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Speaker 1: test and I never had a They weren't climbing on anything,

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Speaker 1: they weren't starting trouble. They're just they occupy themselves, you

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Speaker 1: know that Just it's just the way you raise him.

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Speaker 1: It's funny how you wind up making it your own.

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Speaker 1: Like my boy there, they were on a plane and

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Speaker 1: he wanted to get water something. I said, we'll go

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Speaker 1: up and talk to that moment up there and get water.

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Speaker 1: You know, a while later she comes back. You have

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Speaker 1: the nicest boy. You know, makes my weak But how

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Speaker 1: many parents would have said, okay, I'll go get it

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Speaker 1: for you. So you make him. You're gonna go out

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Speaker 1: there and here's what you're saying. You're telling this and

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Speaker 1: get the thing. When I came to your house last night,

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Speaker 1: all three kids go up and you haven't seen Ronnie

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Speaker 1: in a long time, go up and shake Ronnie's hand. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, and you know the kids are so But

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Speaker 1: I hope by the time they're eighteen, they'll do it

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Speaker 1: without me, Like they'll you know, not embarrassing the people

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Speaker 1: in the eye, and they'll shake their hand when they

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Speaker 1: interview for a job. Someday. That's all. That's all you

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Speaker 1: can hope for. Yeah, and alays got a dog question? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: can you teach an old dog trick? Seriously? Like in

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Speaker 1: regards to let's say someone I've always wanted this. Like,

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Speaker 1: let's say someone there's a there's a German short hair

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Speaker 1: pointer that's a year or two old at the pound

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Speaker 1: that was never it was just someone's house dog and

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Speaker 1: they got rid of it. It's never kept chewing up

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Speaker 1: the couch and and someone's like, man, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to pay two tho dollars for a bread puppy, but

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get this dog from the pound and turn

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Speaker 1: it into a bird dog. Like can that be done? Oh? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: The problem is if you adopt a dog, and I

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Speaker 1: think Yanni could probably speak to it because he he

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02:03:37,560 --> 02:03:40,440
Speaker 1: adopted a hunting dog from a brand new one, but

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Speaker 1: no idea what his background was, no background. So if

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Speaker 1: you don't have the background, let's say on that German

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Speaker 1: short hair like an older one it might come from

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Speaker 1: what's called what we would refer to as a showline.

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02:03:52,160 --> 02:03:54,360
Speaker 1: Like so the dogs were in the show ring and

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02:03:54,520 --> 02:03:58,120
Speaker 1: really not hunted for the last that dog's parents, grandparents,

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02:03:58,240 --> 02:04:01,000
Speaker 1: great grandparents, they just didn't hunt much. They're still gonna

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02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:03,400
Speaker 1: have instincts, They're still gonna be okay. But you could

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02:04:03,440 --> 02:04:06,680
Speaker 1: certainly get a dog from a pound. And I know

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Speaker 1: there's a guy who rescues dogs where his wife does,

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02:04:10,200 --> 02:04:13,560
Speaker 1: and he whenever a like an English setter and English

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02:04:13,600 --> 02:04:15,400
Speaker 1: pointer or something shows up in the sporting dog world,

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Speaker 1: he takes it in and he hunts with them. They

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Speaker 1: can they can learn obedience, you know, like their genetics

2342
02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:25,200
Speaker 1: don't expire and they can learn there and that nothing

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02:04:25,480 --> 02:04:28,360
Speaker 1: no genetics expire. The nose is going to be there

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02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:30,920
Speaker 1: the whole time. The love of birds, it's like like

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Speaker 1: the big here's one. I again. I love analogies. My

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02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:38,200
Speaker 1: biggest problem is when people call me up, they'll ask

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02:04:38,280 --> 02:04:40,680
Speaker 1: those questions like can my dogs still do this? And

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02:04:40,720 --> 02:04:42,760
Speaker 1: I never did it? Yes? And then the other one

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02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:45,240
Speaker 1: is I got this brand new dog, when should I

2350
02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:48,800
Speaker 1: get it into birds? Everybody wants to see their dog

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02:04:49,400 --> 02:04:51,800
Speaker 1: point a bird first, right, So my buddy says, oh,

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02:04:51,800 --> 02:04:53,400
Speaker 1: I gotta I got some quail or there's a hunt

2353
02:04:53,400 --> 02:04:55,880
Speaker 1: club over here. They'll let you go after a test

2354
02:04:55,920 --> 02:04:58,440
Speaker 1: and we'll bring your puppy out there. And I'm like, okay,

2355
02:04:58,480 --> 02:05:00,240
Speaker 1: that's fine, you want to see it once. But people

2356
02:05:00,360 --> 02:05:03,840
Speaker 1: overdo it and I keep in They're like, so, Ron,

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02:05:03,920 --> 02:05:06,240
Speaker 1: you're telling me I don't need to get my young

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02:05:06,320 --> 02:05:08,160
Speaker 1: dog in front of birds. And I always tell him,

2359
02:05:08,920 --> 02:05:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, did your dad leave a Playboy magazine on

2360
02:05:11,120 --> 02:05:13,440
Speaker 1: the counter so you when you hit Pubert you would

2361
02:05:13,480 --> 02:05:19,400
Speaker 1: like it? No? I mean, yeah, I understand, right, you

2362
02:05:19,520 --> 02:05:21,880
Speaker 1: don't need to expose them that. The difference in the

2363
02:05:21,960 --> 02:05:23,200
Speaker 1: dog and a kid is the dog gets to be

2364
02:05:23,200 --> 02:05:26,200
Speaker 1: a teenager by the time he's ten months old, and

2365
02:05:26,280 --> 02:05:30,120
Speaker 1: a teenager takes thirteen years. But again, throwing that Playboy

2366
02:05:30,200 --> 02:05:32,520
Speaker 1: magazine in front of him, that's not what they need.

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02:05:32,680 --> 02:05:36,400
Speaker 1: They need the shaking hands waiting to be released. They

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02:05:36,440 --> 02:05:41,440
Speaker 1: need opening the door. They need the structure, the pointing

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02:05:41,480 --> 02:05:43,320
Speaker 1: instinct and the love of the game is genetically in

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Speaker 1: the dog. One last question, Yeah, what's the uh what's

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Speaker 1: the advice you'd give to any new either new dog owner,

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Speaker 1: anyone bringing home a rescue dog, A puppy, Like, what's

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02:05:58,840 --> 02:06:02,080
Speaker 1: the thing they need to get on? Uh? For for one?

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02:06:02,160 --> 02:06:05,000
Speaker 1: Always create training. You know if you a lot of

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02:06:05,040 --> 02:06:07,640
Speaker 1: people try to do without a create. Create training is

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02:06:07,680 --> 02:06:11,080
Speaker 1: super important for a young dog. Okay, a create would

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02:06:11,080 --> 02:06:14,400
Speaker 1: be like a portable transportation create. You'll see him on airlines,

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02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:17,840
Speaker 1: they call him airline creates. Um getting a getting a

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02:06:17,880 --> 02:06:22,280
Speaker 1: puppy used to sleeping in that crate by himself learning

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02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:28,160
Speaker 1: not it helps him to not develop separation anxiety. Like,

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02:06:28,360 --> 02:06:30,720
Speaker 1: it's what training mean. He's comfortable in there. He's comfortable

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Speaker 1: in there. Now his first day in there, he's gonna

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02:06:32,600 --> 02:06:34,920
Speaker 1: bark and squawk and yell and and it's just like

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02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:37,280
Speaker 1: the first time you put a baby in a crib

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Speaker 1: when they're old enough to cry. If you are putting

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02:06:40,160 --> 02:06:42,280
Speaker 1: them down for a nap and they cry and you're

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02:06:42,280 --> 02:06:44,400
Speaker 1: going and get him, what did they do? Oh? I cry?

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02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:46,840
Speaker 1: Mom comes get me. So if your dogs crying and

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02:06:47,600 --> 02:06:53,760
Speaker 1: out on the couch and just basically crying ourselves, it's

2390
02:06:53,800 --> 02:06:57,120
Speaker 1: exact same thing with a puppy. You gotta you just

2391
02:06:57,240 --> 02:06:59,920
Speaker 1: gotta put the music up higher and let him cry

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02:07:00,040 --> 02:07:02,080
Speaker 1: himself to sleep, and then the next day he'll fuss

2393
02:07:02,080 --> 02:07:04,000
Speaker 1: a little bit more or a little bit less, and

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02:07:04,080 --> 02:07:06,280
Speaker 1: then after a while he's like, oh, that's where I

2395
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Speaker 1: go and it's not my time to be with people.

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02:07:08,800 --> 02:07:11,920
Speaker 1: And then later on you'll see it's real common if

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Speaker 1: you have a crate in the house, Like if somebody

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02:07:14,680 --> 02:07:16,080
Speaker 1: comes over, you got a dog that you don't want.

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02:07:16,120 --> 02:07:18,280
Speaker 1: Her baby comes over, you don't you know a little

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Speaker 1: toddler tell a dog to go to create, but you'll find,

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02:07:20,840 --> 02:07:23,280
Speaker 1: like my wife's dog, You're like, where did dog go?

2402
02:07:23,680 --> 02:07:25,560
Speaker 1: And you look at the create doors open, he's in there, sleeping.

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02:07:26,040 --> 02:07:29,960
Speaker 1: It becomes his little Yeah, it's his place. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: I mean create trading and socialization being trying to do

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Speaker 1: as much as you can with the dog. Get the

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Speaker 1: dog in front of other people, let other people handle

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02:07:38,640 --> 02:07:42,280
Speaker 1: it if they're willing. Um. Try to get your whole family,

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02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:44,760
Speaker 1: even if you've got young kids, try to get them

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02:07:44,800 --> 02:07:47,080
Speaker 1: all to do a little of this hands on stuff.

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02:07:47,560 --> 02:07:49,920
Speaker 1: So that dog kind of goes a little bit down

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02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:52,840
Speaker 1: the pack line. It's like, oh, even a little toddler

2412
02:07:52,920 --> 02:07:55,680
Speaker 1: has to look at my mouth. Jeez, what's yeah, I'll say,

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02:07:56,040 --> 02:07:58,080
Speaker 1: dog won't look my youngest in the eye. Right. He

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02:07:58,160 --> 02:08:01,200
Speaker 1: tries to act like he does exist. It's like looks

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02:08:01,440 --> 02:08:03,880
Speaker 1: in the corner and I'll bet you somewhere along the line,

2416
02:08:04,280 --> 02:08:07,440
Speaker 1: your youngest just kind of grabbed his tail or something

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02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:10,040
Speaker 1: and he's like that thing. It's like, I can't bite him,

2418
02:08:10,040 --> 02:08:11,640
Speaker 1: but I don't. I can't. They can't make me look

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02:08:11,680 --> 02:08:14,880
Speaker 1: at him either. Nope, Nope, I can't bite him, but

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Speaker 1: I don't have to like him. Uh getty. Ron Bam

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Speaker 1: Upland Institute Project Hunting Dog Podcast, Ron Bam, thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, and thank you Steve for having me come

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Speaker 1: out and getting to spread the word with you anytime,

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02:08:29,880 --> 02:08:33,560
Speaker 1: almost anytime, anytime, anytime, anytime I can get ahold of

2425
02:08:33,600 --> 02:08:36,520
Speaker 1: Karin schedule me to come out, provide her was something

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Speaker 1: that tittilates us, and you'll be on the show. We

2427
02:08:38,520 --> 02:08:40,240
Speaker 1: could do a whole another one. It would be nothing

2428
02:08:40,280 --> 02:08:42,320
Speaker 1: to do with dogs, just all those fun all those

2429
02:08:42,360 --> 02:08:44,080
Speaker 1: things that have happened to me that are you see

2430
02:08:44,080 --> 02:08:45,600
Speaker 1: what we're working with here. You gotta wait till you

2431
02:08:45,720 --> 02:08:48,760
Speaker 1: fill up a thingful of subject ideas, and be warned,

2432
02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:50,640
Speaker 1: next time you here, we're gonna have our little dials

2433
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Speaker 1: with a light in the middle, so you'll be Ron.

2434
02:08:54,680 --> 02:08:57,640
Speaker 1: I'll probably break that thing. Oh yeah, it just depends

2435
02:08:57,680 --> 02:08:59,480
Speaker 1: on coming the door and it's gonna turn it to

2436
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Speaker 1: full black. That's it, red light. Thank you, Steve, thank you,

2437
02:09:02,680 --> 02:09:08,920
Speaker 1: Johnny Brody, thank you everybody. Thank you, Phil, Good Clay, Nucomb, Nucomb,

2438
02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:12,400
Speaker 1: thanks for joining man Hey, thanks for having me pleasure.

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02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:18,040
Speaker 1: Good Clay. Yeah, Clay and I talked five years ago

2440
02:09:18,040 --> 02:09:20,480
Speaker 1: when I first started the podcast. You didn't know him

2441
02:09:20,480 --> 02:09:23,960
Speaker 1: at all back then. Now, Yeah, it's true. We go

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Speaker 1: way back, all right, boys, see you all right, see

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Speaker 1: you