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Speaker 2: Have we have We officially run out of it to say,

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Speaker 1: We could talk about these zombies.

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Speaker 3: And he was genuinely pissed that you got to see

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Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, I think Will's already got his cop

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Speaker 4: He's like, what, why does he get a copy? I

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Speaker 3: I was like, he really wants to be like the

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Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, it's great, that's so funny.

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Speaker 5: Adler was trying. I was trying to explain to Adler

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Speaker 5: And I was like, yeah, there's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 1: We're not like.

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Speaker 5: I was like, okay, no, no, never mind, fine, whatever whatever. Also,

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Speaker 5: the Daybreaker side and one for the Vampire side, and

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Speaker 1: Just like this whole really fun thing.

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Speaker 5: And Adler is literally I don't even know where he

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Speaker 5: learned this move, but he's doing the sprinkler. Hell yes,

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Speaker 5: just in his seat doing the sprinkler and then going yeah,

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Speaker 5: totally dancing up a storm. Casey Strow, incredible dancer from

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Speaker 5: high school musical, taps me on the shoulder. She's like, Danielle,

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Speaker 5: lease tell me he's in dance because he clearly has

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Speaker 2: When is this kid gonna have time to take another

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Speaker 5: What I said? I said he was in dance, and

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Speaker 5: he had a dance class. He loved it. But guess what,

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Speaker 5: I can't order to suggest a dance class. He'd be like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Wow, that's the opposite of Indie, because Indy has always

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Speaker 3: I remember Michael Jackson. Like I remember the school.

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Speaker 4: His preschool sent us a video because they started playing

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Speaker 4: gone back. And then he did The Descendants recently, a

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Speaker 4: play version of The Descendants, and he was playing Prince

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Speaker 4: because they're like teaching himbout it. And he again can

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Speaker 4: this sort of like ironic half assed way on stage

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Speaker 4: where like you are so frustrating, like just Tom. But

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Speaker 4: if I ask him to take on anything, a class,

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Speaker 6: Likes to do, what I have to do that I

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Speaker 6: already do gymnastics, I already take singing lessons and it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 6: but you were good, okay, dude, like everything happening.

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Speaker 7: It's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kids are frustrating in the same way.

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Speaker 8: I don't want to take a bunch of classes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no you would.

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Speaker 4: Yes, my son is you and I'm raising Wilfredell and

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Speaker 4: I have to get him out of the goddamn house and.

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Speaker 8: Now is awesome and that it's a wonderful place. If

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Speaker 3: But seriously, that's the only way the music.

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Speaker 4: Like, the reason that he is, you know, thriving in

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Speaker 4: maybe I just need to get like a whole acting

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Speaker 1: Even for dance stuff.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure there are you there's a YouTube dance class

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Speaker 1: More screen I hate it, but yes, put on a laptop.

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Speaker 8: Yes, screen time makes everything better. That's the way it is.

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Speaker 2: I everything, you can YouTube anything now, I can basically

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Speaker 5: The greatest cousin is the most incredible woodworker, all self

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Speaker 8: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: I mean he made his family's twelve foot dining table

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Speaker 8: Yeah, YouTube is the best.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to leave your house. You don't have

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Speaker 5: Right, how did it happen that you are raising Wilfred oll?

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Speaker 1: How did this?

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Speaker 8: What's what's indies? Branda smokes? What is He's ten?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 8: So is he? Is it camelites?

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Speaker 2: Because I didn't find camelites till twelve. I started with parliaments,

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Speaker 8: Okay, it's interesting. It's a very personal choice when you're ten.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, oh my god. I have to come

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Speaker 4: I have to like embrace, you know, I have to

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Speaker 8: You have to because we're not going anywhere else, so

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Speaker 4: But it's just crazy because I think, you know, I

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Speaker 4: it's just the reality that I never understood is that,

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Speaker 3: To be, and you just have to get out of

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Speaker 4: Feeling this way about having to go to gymnastics class,

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Speaker 3: You should like it, you always like it. What are

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Speaker 4: No, that's like a useless twenty minute like argument, Whereas

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, gymnastics is hard.

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Speaker 4: That must suck to have to go there, all right,

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Speaker 5: It's so frustrating because Keaton's the same way. Keaton would

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Speaker 5: I don't want to go to karate. Thirty minutes of crying,

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Speaker 1: It's like, where is this energy?

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Speaker 3: And then you're and then with and I'll be like,

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Speaker 3: and now we have to do homework.

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Speaker 4: Ok yeah, It's like it's just every every transition, yes.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that's That's just the way.

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Speaker 2: But it's also we had, especially writer, you and I

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Speaker 4: Do you guys remember when we interviewed my parents and like,

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Speaker 4: and my dad was like, no, we just let them

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Speaker 4: Was that a good idea? Like that seems kind of

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Speaker 3: But now I'm kind of like, no, I think maybe

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Speaker 3: that was right. Like, there's not much to do, Andy,

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Speaker 4: Good luck kid, right, get an agent, start making some money,

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Speaker 8: What is this guy?

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Speaker 2: Wait?

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Speaker 3: Get there, But I'm just gonna get out of your

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Speaker 4: Come on, let's take your bus to New York, let's

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Speaker 4: go die your porn mags, your cigarettes, and you're just

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Speaker 8: Pretty well, I mean, what is he waiting for?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: No, I mean really, it's the difference between like like

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Speaker 4: like he doesn't automatically want to hang out with me anymore.

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Speaker 4: Like you know, up until like eight, everything I did

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Speaker 4: So it felt so good. But now I'm like, you know,

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Speaker 8: So the best of the Cradle is a good song.

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Speaker 8: Cast in the Cradle is a good song, man.

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Speaker 1: That's why it lasts.

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Speaker 8: It's because it's just that, that's it. Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 8: This is another reason all these problems you're going through. No,

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Speaker 2: I don't have to worry about any of these things

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Speaker 2: at all ever, And I still don't want to go

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Speaker 2: to karate. I have a white belt fourteen different forms

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Speaker 5: And if Corey and Sean are gonna make a quick

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Speaker 5: producers called Nobody's Angel. Ali Navarro, Stacy Harper, Amy, Sue Hardy,

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Speaker 5: How did this happen? What do they remember? And whatever

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Speaker 1: And Orange Wig?

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Speaker 9: Hello, Hi, thanks for having us.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, thanks for being here. We made it happen.

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Speaker 1: We're having a reunion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, guys, are you ready to do your song?

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Speaker 2: Me?

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Speaker 5: Me, me, me do your war mubs man, Thank you

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Speaker 5: both so much for joining us. I'm going to assume

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Speaker 7: Is that?

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Speaker 9: Is that true?

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Speaker 5: Let's start with some Nobody's Angel history. How did the

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Speaker 1: Was everyone from LA not originally?

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Speaker 10: I am born raised Callie Girl, So I met everybody

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Speaker 7: Nice to see you, Sarah.

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Speaker 5: Even think about the fact that you too, probably hadn't

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 9: I moved out to la to be a professional dancer.

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Speaker 7: And so I think Sarah and I started.

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Speaker 7: And I know Stacy.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, wow, And so Ali, this also Nobody's Angel.

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Speaker 5: Wasn't your first girl group on a family sitcom?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: You were a part of Zoom.

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Speaker 10: But in my heart, I always knew that Nobody's Angel

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh that is so funny.

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Speaker 7: With I think you did because it was like.

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Speaker 9: Okay, that's so funny.

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Speaker 7: Oh random, that's crazy. That's the homework, guys.

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Speaker 1: What a small world.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Sarah, you mentioned you were more focused on dancing.

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Speaker 9: It was well, it was so crazy because we would

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Speaker 9: But we ended up opening up for Brittany, so it

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Speaker 1: So and you're going to hit Me one more time

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Speaker 9: And you know, you never know. I mean you guys know,

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Speaker 9: have to like freestyle dance in front of them. And

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00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 9: I'm like, oh my god, that's crazy. And they're like, okay, great,

445
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 9: we'll see you tomorrow. I was like, oh god, all right,

446
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,919
Speaker 9: I will see you tomorrow. So and then that became

447
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 9: such a huge hit. But you just you just never know, right,

448
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 9: it's so crazy. I mean you got like, can I

449
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 9: ask you guys a question?

450
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

451
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 9: Sure, So like the pilot episode, like what what was

452
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,360
Speaker 9: the vibes? Like, like, did you right?

453
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,679
Speaker 8: It was the only one on It was the only one.

454
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: Replaced someone.

455
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I only had two lines. So I was like,

456
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 4: this is you know, this is never gonna happen. Who

457
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,199
Speaker 4: cares even if it does get picked up, I'll be

458
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 4: such a small part it will have any effect in

459
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 4: my life.

460
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 2: There was a different Yeah, there was a different older brother, her,

461
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 2: a different dad, and Topanga wasn't.

462
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: And I didn't even exist.

463
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, so yeah, totally.

464
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 7: Yeah.

465
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 9: And then the phenomenon that it became like that is

466
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 9: so awesome.

467
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 8: It was cool. Yeah, came out of nowhere, that's for sure.

468
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 8: I still would rather have been in the Britney Spears video.

469
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 1: Will you would not you?

470
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 8: I would have killed it in the Britney Spears.

471
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 5: The funniest person you'll ever meet has lots of talents.

472
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: Dancing is not in the top ten.

473
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 3: You don't know that.

474
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 8: You've never seen me. Bust a move. She's right, I can't.

475
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:30,719
Speaker 3: Dance at all.

476
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: I love I love him, and I would want him

477
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: to dance for fun.

478
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 5: But I would not say you should go audition for

479
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 5: anything that requires dance.

480
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly do it and take a film crew.

481
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 7: Yes.

482
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, the dance world was not upset. Yeah, seriously, the

483
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 8: dance world was not upset that I chose acting.

484
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 5: It was Nobody's Angel, the name from the very beginning,

485
00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 5: and who came up with the name.

486
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 7: Actually Stacy kind of came up with the name.

487
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 10: We didn't really have a set name, and we were

488
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,239
Speaker 10: just kind of all talking and just kind of you know,

489
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 10: like in between takes and coming up with like, you know,

490
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 10: the vision of what what we're gonna be and the

491
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 10: hopes and the dreams, and somebody was saying something. She's like, oh,

492
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 10: you're Nobody's Angel, and We're like, Okay, that's it and

493
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 10: so so yeah, so we that that that became the

494
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 10: thing and Nobody's angels stuck and and it fits us.

495
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 7: It fits us.

496
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 8: Do you remember any other possible names for the band?

497
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 10: Oh god, no, Now I remember like songs that like

498
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 10: never even made the album, like some they called out

499
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 10: the back Door and oh my god, they're just like.

500
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 3: A Hollywood that.

501
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 7: Wow.

502
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 10: But yeah, no, I don't remember if there was other

503
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 10: names that we were considering. That was just like the

504
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 10: one and it was sassy and it was sweet, and

505
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 10: it just kind of kind of gelled, you know, like

506
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 10: you kind of know when that's like the home run.

507
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 5: It's the perfect amount of edge for Hollid Hollywood Records, Disney, Yeah,

508
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 5: exact with Disney.

509
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 10: So everything was like, you know, you had to be

510
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 10: you can't be too edgy, you have to be just

511
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 10: you know, reel it back a little bit.

512
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did that happen? You?

513
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 5: How did you eventually get signed to Hollywood Records?

514
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: Oh my god?

515
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 7: So we so.

516
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 10: I think at the time, Spice Girls was like huge, right,

517
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 10: so everybody was looking for their own kind of Spice Girls,

518
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 10: and so we just you know, we had like a

519
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 10: strong songs, a strong package, and so we we went

520
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 10: literally from office to office, like we even met with

521
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 10: Magic Johnson had a record company at the time, and

522
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:12,479
Speaker 10: we met with him. We met with Atlantic Warner. I

523
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 10: just think Hollywood for us because a lot of us,

524
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 10: you know, came from different types of either acting, dancing, whatever,

525
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 10: and we had this dream to also do a TV show,

526
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 10: and so we thought, well, you know what, Disney's kind

527
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 10: of like the big machine, you know, and so that

528
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 10: you know, in Hollywood, everything was like so three sixty

529
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 10: and just you know, we're like, I think this is

530
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 10: probably like the best home. So we did have a

531
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 10: couple other offers, we took that one because at the

532
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 10: time we felt it was like the best one for

533
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 10: all the things that we wanted to do.

534
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 7: And that's kind of how we met.

535
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 10: Michael Jacobs and got involved with Boy Meets World because

536
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 10: when when they're deciding like what artists from the record

537
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 10: company to put a lot of marketing dollars in, Like

538
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 10: the CEO Michael Eisner at the time, was like, we

539
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 10: have to do a TV show with these girls, and

540
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 10: so we're like yes.

541
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 7: And so he's like, let's make it happen.

542
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 10: So that's when I think they started shopping for showrunners.

543
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 10: And that's when Michael Jacobs came around. And I actually

544
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 10: knew Michael Jacobs because I had reoccurred on a show

545
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 10: he produced previously called My Two Dads Keenan, Gregavigan, and

546
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 10: Paul Reiser.

547
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 7: Yeah.

548
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 10: So, and also April Kelly, who also was a co

549
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 10: creator of Boy Meets World. I had she had show

550
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 10: ran a show that I started and called Stanches of

551
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 10: bel Air before My Two Dads. So I know it's

552
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 10: just like so like when everything is supposed to be

553
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 10: like kind of all aligned.

554
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 5: So yeah, okay, so you go with Hollywood Records because,

555
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 5: like you said, especially back in the day, everything was

556
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 5: all three sixties. You're like, Okay, there's synergy here. We

557
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 5: can do a TV show, we can we can do

558
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 5: all these other things we want. So you meet Michael Jacobs.

559
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 5: He comes in and is now going to start pitching

560
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 5: a show with you guys. Is the show he wants

561
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 5: to pitch about the four of you as waitresses in

562
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 5: a diner?

563
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 7: No?

564
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: Okay, I was like, is that the show? And he's

565
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: going to try to implant it into Boy Meets World?

566
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 11: What's the show?

567
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: What does he pitch you for the idea for your show.

568
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 10: I think that came about because it was almost like,

569
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 10: let's start it here and then make it a spin off, right,

570
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 10: like because you guys were like the number one show,

571
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 10: you know, TGI Fridays, right, So it was like, let's

572
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 10: start it there. It was gonna be obviously music related, right,

573
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 10: so we would obviously introduce all of our songs in

574
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 10: kind of music video style, and it would be a

575
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 10: little like a younger, more wholesome sex in the city,

576
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 10: like with a few of the monkeys, like the you know,

577
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 10: like the pounding the pavement of these girls that are

578
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 10: trying to make it big and all the obstacles that

579
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 10: they have to overcome to get there.

580
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 7: So it was kind of kind of loosely.

581
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 10: Based about what we all the struggles that led up

582
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 10: to getting a deal, but then even when you get

583
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 10: a deal, there's so many other struggles of just keeping

584
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 10: the deal, right, So it was going to be something

585
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 10: like that in kind of like a dramedy.

586
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 7: I guess you could say, okay.

587
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: But not but not in front of an audience, not

588
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 2: like sitcom style. It was going to be single camera.

589
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 7: I don't think it was going to be sitcom style.

590
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 7: I think I think he was trying.

591
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 10: To like be a G two and kind of like

592
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 10: start it single camera style, although I would have preferred.

593
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 10: I love doing live audience, just coming from a theater background.

594
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

595
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 5: Sure.

596
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 9: I always rely on Ali for the facts because I

597
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 9: don't remember anything right really, And Ali, what's the answer

598
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 9: to that journal? And she like she knows everyone's names.

599
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 9: She's like yeah, And I just sit there and I

600
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 9: smile and I'm like, yeah, tell me, really we did that?

601
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 9: That was that must have been really fun.

602
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, No, I don't. I don't know what that's like

603
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 8: to be with people that don't really remember.

604
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: We remember writer, and I remember him everything I do.

605
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 5: Not willing will is our ally and I.

606
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 7: Love it.

607
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 8: Well.

608
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 5: Sarah, do you remember when you found out then that

609
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 5: you were gonna be on Boy Meets World?

610
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: Do you remember that conversation?

611
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 9: I remember our meeting with Michael Jacobs.

612
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: Okay, how did that go? Tell us everything?

613
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 3: Oh my god?

614
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 9: I cried.

615
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 7: There's a lot going on in her life.

616
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, Like he was asking us about our families because

617
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 9: he wanted to uh loosely base our characters because we

618
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 9: were going to play ourselves. Like I was going to

619
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 9: be Sarah. She was going to be Ali. So he

620
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 9: wanted to know more about us personally so he could

621
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 9: letely base our characters on our real lives. And for

622
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 9: some reason, whenever I talk about my family, they're lovely,

623
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 9: we're in good terms, but I just cry. And so

624
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 9: he was just asking me personal questions and it just got,

625
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 9: you know, to that place and yeah, it was Yeah,

626
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 9: what I.

627
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 10: Remember is you were going your family was going through something,

628
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 10: and he really connected because he too his own family

629
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 10: was going through the same struggles and things that you

630
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 10: were going through. And so it was like we were

631
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 10: all crying in the office and.

632
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 8: Let's do let's go.

633
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 10: Yeah, and that's how it ended up being like Okay, Amy,

634
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 10: Sue and h Stacy Sarah are going to be sisters.

635
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 10: And then so it's like you could see his brain

636
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 10: work really fast at like you know, all the pieces

637
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 10: of the puzzle. And we like had to go back

638
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 10: and like re record the song that we performed on

639
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 10: Boy Meets World because it was like real it was

640
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 10: already finished for the album's sake, but because and our

641
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 10: album hadn't come out yet, so we had we re

642
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 10: recorded the song to kind of fit the fact that

643
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 10: Sarah now and Amy sue we're gonna have like this

644
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 10: arc where it was their dad, you know, like saying

645
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 10: goodbye to their daughters so they can like pursue their

646
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 10: goals and their dreams, and so we had to kind

647
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 10: of change up like who was singing what in the song.

648
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 10: So it was it was really interesting to kind of

649
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 10: like watch it from that particular meeting into like how

650
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 10: you know, everything evolved so well.

651
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 5: Your show must have been kind of a big priority

652
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 5: for Michael, because Michael was developing a lot of shows

653
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 5: in the nineties and not all of them appeared on

654
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 5: Boy Meets World. Yeah, so it must have been like

655
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 5: this was a big priority for him.

656
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: What ended up?

657
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 5: So you do you So, what are your memories of

658
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 5: being on the show that week?

659
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: What did you have a good time? Did it?

660
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 9: Oh?

661
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 7: My god, yes, yes you do.

662
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 9: I loved it.

663
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 8: I love it.

664
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 9: And at that point, I think that was the first

665
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 9: sitcom set I had been on because I did that

666
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 9: seventies show. I did a couple other sitcoms, but I

667
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 9: think all of that came after and just the structure

668
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 9: of the sitcom world was awesome, Like it's like a

669
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 9: family like we did. I did kind of feel like

670
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 9: I was walking into like someone's house, you know what

671
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 9: I mean. And and just to observe the way the

672
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 9: machine worked. It's a well oiled machine. I loved that.

673
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 9: And just the fact that I got to act, dance

674
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 9: and sing, you know, in this perform in this show.

675
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 9: I was like, oh my god, this is so awesome.

676
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 9: But I think I was so wide i that I

677
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 9: don't remember a lot of it, you know, like in

678
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 9: the moment going oh my god, oh my god, oh

679
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 9: my god, oh my god. And you know, Ali's been

680
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 9: on probably a bajillion more sets than me at that point,

681
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 9: so she was probably like, Okay, I get this, I

682
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 9: get this, I can you know what I mean?

683
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 3: And I was.

684
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 9: I was pretty wide eyed for sure.

685
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: And so do you remember was the core?

686
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 5: Did you guys already have a dance to it choreographed

687
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 5: before you arrived or did you have a choreographer with

688
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 5: you on set helped develop.

689
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 9: And I choreographed it?

690
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 10: Yeah, you guys, I think you guys? Did I think,

691
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 10: Oh my god, he was Madonna's Jamie King, Jamie King. Yeah,

692
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 10: And so it was already choreographed because we had spent

693
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 10: all summer going and doing like Radio Disney premieres in

694
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 10: the park kind of thing.

695
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 7: So we were doing a Radio Disney.

696
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 10: Tour, so we had had a dance, so we had

697
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 10: so yeah, so we just had a we find it

698
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 10: and retool it because that little, tiny stage was so little,

699
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 10: and so we had to be like, okay, let's change

700
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 10: it here and do all this little you know, adjusting.

701
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 9: They didn't remember any of that. Great we readjusted it.

702
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 7: Everybody needs a Will and an Alley.

703
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, did you guys watch the episode then when

704
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 5: it aired?

705
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: Did you ever like a premiere party? Was it a

706
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: big deal?

707
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 10: We all went to Andrew and Aaron's house and we

708
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 10: had popcorn, We invited our friends. It was like I

709
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 10: think it was. There wasn't TiVo at the time, so

710
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 10: it was like BCRs. No, we did have a premiere

711
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 10: like at Andrew and Aaron's house. They were the production people,

712
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 10: and we invited everybody we knew and we had we

713
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 10: like had popcorn, we had we had the whole thing,

714
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 10: and we didn't.

715
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 7: Have TiVo back then, so it was like every time

716
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 7: somebody's name came in.

717
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 10: We were trying to like take like pictures like with

718
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 10: disposable cameras.

719
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 7: Digital cameras at the time, and then.

720
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 10: We were trying to rewind, like so to see all

721
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 10: the credits after the show. I think we probably sat

722
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 10: and watched it like four times.

723
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 5: Okay, and then what happens after the show the show airs?

724
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: What happens to the Nobody's Angel TV show, The.

725
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 7: Want Wah wah?

726
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 9: I do remember this?

727
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 8: Okay?

728
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: You remember this part the Trauma God?

729
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 7: Okay.

730
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 10: So you know, without like being a five hour podcast,

731
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 10: there's a lot of things that also we didn't know.

732
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 10: And I think once we did find out, we started

733
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 10: taking charge in our own careers and really.

734
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 7: Like being there to make.

735
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 10: Decisions for us without people making decisions for us. So

736
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 10: the main reason why the show, our show didn't move

737
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 10: forward with Michael Jacobs is literally over greed and people

738
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 10: wanting power within our own production company, wanting to be

739
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 10: a co showrunner or this, and they had no experience

740
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 10: in that or a resume to back it, but they

741
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 10: wanted it. So it was just like constant fighting and

742
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 10: battle and which we didn't know anything about at all,

743
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 10: and so we're.

744
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 7: Like, when are we doing this? What is happening? Why

745
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 7: are we doing this?

746
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 10: And In the meantime, we were still excited because then

747
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 10: right after Your Guy, after our episode on Your Show aired,

748
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 10: then we were like our album came out and we

749
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 10: were doing all these tours.

750
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 7: So but we're still like, you know, is it because

751
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 7: we're always on the road. What's happening?

752
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 10: And one day I went into Hollywood Records and I

753
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 10: was talking with our marketing and she was like so

754
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 10: upset and so angry because she's like, do you even

755
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 10: know what happened? And I said, no, what are you

756
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 10: talking about? And then she says, you know, so and

757
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 10: so and so and so just ruin this deal for

758
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 10: you guys, And I was like what. So it was

759
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 10: one of those things and so I literally had to

760
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 10: call the girls and be like, this is what I

761
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 10: just found out.

762
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 7: What are we going to do? And so at that moment,

763
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 7: like it was like serious.

764
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 10: And then I like, literally that was the first time

765
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 10: I had to fire somebody, And that was like the

766
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 10: hardest moment because we had no idea for months that

767
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 10: this had been happening, and so that was that was

768
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 10: the case.

769
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was her breaking to say the least. Yeah.

770
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 10: Yeah, But then but then like April Kelly probably like

771
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 10: eight months.

772
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 7: I think we were now working on her second album.

773
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 10: So we had toured that whole year, and then April

774
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 10: Kelly came on board and was going to develop our

775
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 10: second deal with ABC Family and and then that had

776
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 10: nothing to do with egos, power or anything. That just

777
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 10: all had to do with ABC Family kind of like

778
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 10: revisioning their network. Yes, and so he fell a part

779
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 10: of that, and so we had gotten another holding deal

780
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 10: for that.

781
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 7: Oh, it was like.

782
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 5: So interesting that you had two different TV show ventures,

783
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 5: one with Michael Jacobs and then a year or more later,

784
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 5: one with April Kelly.

785
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: Yes, what was your experience like working with April?

786
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 7: So we did.

787
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 10: So what we did was she was living in Tennessee

788
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 10: and so everything was like over the phone. So how

789
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 10: that came about was there was a guy named Eric

790
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 10: van Lowe who had done a lot. I can't remember

791
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 10: all the shows that he show ran, but him and

792
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 10: April were very good friends, and he was like, you know,

793
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 10: I have somebody that I think could do really well

794
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 10: with this and we can work together and redo this

795
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 10: idea and had this great thing and he said April kemic.

796
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 7: Oh my god, I know April. And so so.

797
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 10: We would have to I don't know Sarah if you

798
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 10: remember this, but we had a like right like kind

799
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 10: of like Michael in person, like talking about our life

800
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 10: story and who we are. Like we literally had to

801
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 10: write and send I remember faxing, like our whole life story.

802
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 8: Modern technology, Oh yeah.

803
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 7: Fox machines.

804
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 10: So and then they were doing and planning that, and

805
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 10: we met with our president of a record company, Bob

806
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 10: Cavala would take us to all these meetings. And again

807
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 10: it wasn't now. This had nothing to do like I mentioned,

808
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 10: with the ego.

809
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 7: It just was just bad timing.

810
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: So do you remember what the idea for that show was.

811
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 10: It was gonna be kind of a little bit similar,

812
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 10: but this was gonna be because it was ABC Family.

813
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 10: They didn't want it so too edgy, so it was

814
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 10: gonna be more more lighthearted, more like the Monkeys. Another

815
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 10: thing that also kind of I think we met some

816
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 10: resistance with just with like the network stuff.

817
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 7: Is then at that time, now.

818
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 10: Making of the band for girl bands and boy bands

819
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 10: were becoming a thing, and so it was like do

820
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 10: we spend the money on this? Do we do like

821
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 10: a you know like and we were like, no, we

822
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 10: don't want to do reality.

823
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 7: We are real performers, right. So yeah, so it was

824
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 7: a little.

825
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 10: Bit of everything thing, you know, So it was just timing.

826
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 10: It was just timing when it came to that.

827
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 5: So you were prepping, you said, for your second album.

828
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 5: So during all this time, like let's say, from you

829
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 5: were on our show.

830
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: Did you Maybe Night? Was it aired in ninety nine?

831
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: Did we were was it already?

832
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: Was it?

833
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: Were we shooting it in ninety eight? THO was like

834
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: end of ninety.

835
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 5: Eight, early ninety nine, and now we're in the early

836
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 5: auts and you're prepping for your second album. This is

837
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 5: a very like in the Weeds question. But you're signed

838
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 5: to Hollywood, You've only had one album come out at

839
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 5: this time. Are you making a living at this point?

840
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 5: Are you are you getting paid well to be touring?

841
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 5: How are you making a living?

842
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 7: That's a great question.

843
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 10: And everybody thought we were probably like oh, because you know,

844
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 10: they see you on TV, so they're like, oh, you.

845
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 5: Guys are a millionaire, famous and rich.

846
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 10: Yeah, No, we were not making So I will say,

847
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 10: in the record industry, there's no rules. It's like you know,

848
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 10: the wild, wild West, right, So that's how a lot

849
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 10: of artists, you know, they kind of get screwed a

850
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 10: little until they kind of learn the business and put

851
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 10: their foot down right. So we do get an advance,

852
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 10: So you get a big advance that you split amongst

853
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 10: four people, and then it's you know enough to like

854
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 10: I guess to live off of, you know, for the.

855
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 7: Time that you're doing that album.

856
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 10: But then you're on the road and you're making literally

857
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 10: per dam and sometimes your dancers are making more than

858
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 10: the actual artist, and so it is so sad that

859
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 10: we would be like at any venue if our writer

860
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 10: had food, we're like, grab that food ticket onto the bus.

861
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: Right because we don't.

862
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 10: Yeah, because and then I remember like anytime radio reps

863
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 10: would take us out for dinner, we're like hungry. We're like, yes,

864
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 10: we're taking this, this and this, because it's just it's

865
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 10: not what people think. And then we did get because

866
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 10: it's through you know, Screen Actors Guild or Sagon. After

867
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 10: we do get a TV holding deal. So we did

868
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 10: get a deal, which was very nice. A lot of

869
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 10: recording artists don't even get that because they don't have

870
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 10: that TV show element, you know behind it. So then

871
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 10: we got obviously another you know, so basically, when you're touring,

872
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 10: you have to think of it is just promotion. So

873
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 10: it's like you are busting your butt from like sun

874
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 10: up till like midnight because we would do good Morning,

875
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 10: you know, whatever time you're into school shows, then to

876
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 10: do a radio show at.

877
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 7: Noon, then to do mall tours, then to do.

878
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 10: Another radio show, and then to do a club tours

879
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 10: because we also had like a lot of our songs

880
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 10: were remixed for clubs.

881
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 7: So it's like that every single day.

882
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 10: So you're like, really, you know, like being in the

883
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 10: recording artist isn't.

884
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 7: For the week. You have to like just like you know,

885
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 7: and you can't be tired. You just got to like

886
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 7: go go, go, go go.

887
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 10: But it was, you know, something we all loved, we

888
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 10: all wanted again, we were able to pay our bills,

889
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 10: but then things like that people don't realize is the

890
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 10: record company has a publicist, but they that publicist is

891
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 10: for everybody, right, so if you really want dedication just

892
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 10: to you, you.

893
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 7: Have to have an outside publicist.

894
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 10: So again, the money that we would make, that money

895
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 10: now like we have to get a prolicist and we.

896
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 7: Have to split it amongst four people.

897
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 10: And so we were always praying for like Polaroids sponsoring

898
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 10: us or just the little things that people because then

899
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 10: that we would get money from that too. We did

900
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 10: a lot of soundtracks, so like we did like the

901
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 10: Pokemon movie and Princess Diaries and all this stuff, so

902
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 10: that obviously was you know, you know, financially helpful. Yeah,

903
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 10: but we haven't seen any royalties from any of the

904
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 10: stuff that we're on.

905
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 3: Nothing. You didn't get.

906
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 7: Nothing, Oh no, no residuals. Yes, we're talking royalties from music. Yeah,

907
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 7: so those types.

908
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 10: Of things like I think, like maybe as an advocate,

909
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 10: like those things have to be like dealt with and

910
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 10: worked on, which they are now like now you can

911
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 10: you know, I don't know how retroactive they can be.

912
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 10: But yeah, it's it's when people see you on TV,

913
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 10: they have this image.

914
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: Are your reps? You were your original reps? Are are

915
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 2: they getting paid? Somebody's got to be making money from

916
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: your music, right so that it's just not you who

917
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: put in the actual work or are yikes up? Yeah?

918
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 10: Yeah, so even though they got fired, they probably still

919
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 10: make some something still sucks unbelievable.

920
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 7: Yeah.

921
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 9: Yeah. I remember when we were done with the first

922
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 9: album and we had a bit of a lull and

923
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 9: I started auditioning again, I was at a point where

924
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 9: I was not a drinker at all, but I was like, Okay,

925
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 9: what job can I get where I can make a

926
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 9: lot of money in the evenings. I was like, I'm

927
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 9: gonna do bartending. So I like, I had a buddy

928
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 9: come over. I was like, teach me the drinks. And

929
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 9: I was like studying to like learn whatever. And then

930
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 9: I ended up booking the Pepsi commercials with Brittany, So

931
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 9: I was like.

932
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: Thank god, national commercial.

933
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, I was so thankful. And back then a

934
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 9: national commercial was.

935
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 5: Like they were incredible. Everybody everybody wanted a national commercial.

936
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, everybody.

937
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 9: Yeah.

938
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 5: So when did you guys then also start experiencing some

939
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 5: group member changeovers, like you know that definitely used to

940
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 5: happen with pop bands.

941
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: When did that start?

942
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 7: Ah, Okay, we're gonna be honest here. So we were

943
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 7: on tour.

944
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 10: I think we were doing a radio tour with Mandy Moore.

945
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 10: I can't remember, Debbie Gibson, wow, other people, And I

946
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 10: believe we were in New area, like New.

947
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 7: York or Vermont, I can't remember. And there was.

948
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 10: There was there was a blow up and there and

949
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 10: I honestly don't even remember what it was over. And

950
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 10: then the next thing, you know, like the record company

951
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 10: is like telling somebody you're out, You're done.

952
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: Was the blow up with the record company.

953
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 10: No, we probably should have had cameras following us at

954
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 10: that time and it would have a reality show again. Yeah,

955
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 10: and so we I actually don't even think we did

956
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 10: that show that day. We had done sound check that

957
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 10: I don't recall us doing a show that day. I

958
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 10: think we all flew home. And then the oddest thing

959
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 10: is we were doing we had a new song, a

960
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 10: new soundtrack that we were doing for one hundred and

961
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 10: two Dalmatians, and we recorded it and everything it happened

962
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 10: so fast. So like we recorded it, we filmed it

963
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 10: for Disney because they were going to do like this

964
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 10: massive you know, push and it was like the theme

965
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 10: song or the title end song or something. And then

966
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 10: literally that it was just the three of us and

967
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 10: we were you know, filming, and then we all said

968
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 10: goodbye to each other and that was the last time

969
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 10: we saw Amy Sue and we were like and then

970
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 10: we found out that she just left and she just

971
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 10: I think what a lot of times the business part

972
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 10: of it, like everybody wanted to do it because I

973
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 10: love singing. I love this, but when they understand that

974
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 10: it's so much more a business and there's all this

975
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 10: other stuff that you can't really control, then people are like,

976
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 10: you know what, this isn't for me. So like I

977
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 10: then had to I picked up the phone and I

978
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 10: called like a really good friend of mine and you

979
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 10: might you guys might know her, Jenny Kwan, who from

980
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 10: California Dreams and her and I and she actually I

981
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 10: called her to replace me from the Zoom girl group.

982
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: Did you I was gonna say, didn't you have three

983
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: other girl groups that you could just.

984
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 8: Like, well, now I'll go to this one. Now I

985
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 8: hop into the next girl group.

986
00:48:59,120 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 7: Totally.

987
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 10: So I called Jenny and I was like, hey, what

988
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 10: do you what are you doing?

989
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 7: And she was like, oh, I would love to do this.

990
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 7: So she came on board.

991
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 10: And then my friend Ty her and I had known

992
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 10: each other since we were like.

993
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 7: Eight or nine, and her aunt.

994
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 10: And I were really good friends. Her aunt wrote Just

995
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 10: Wait a While for Janet Jackson, and so she was

996
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 10: like really into like you know, like the music scene

997
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 10: and everything, and so she was like, I don't know

998
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 10: if I want to do a girl group. I'm like

999
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 10: oh my god, come on, let's just do it. So

1000
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 10: and then so they were our two new members. And

1001
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 10: then I had to do some begging to Bob Cavallo

1002
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 10: and I was just like, look, Destiny's Child just lost

1003
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 10: some members. Like we're going to be just fine, We're

1004
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 10: going to be stronger than ever. So he just was like, Okay,

1005
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 10: I'm gonna you know, He's like, don't disappoint. And then

1006
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 10: thankfully they put some budgets into doing music for the

1007
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 10: second album, and we got to like produce and be

1008
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 10: writers this time on the song and or on the

1009
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 10: on the album, and we were able to now like

1010
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 10: have a say and make decisions, you know, with the

1011
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 10: producers that we wanted to work with, the songwriters we

1012
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 10: wanted to kind of co collaborate with. So it was

1013
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 10: a whole different experience. And then and then again the

1014
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 10: other TV holding deals.

1015
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 8: So yeah, so I'm sorry Amy.

1016
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 2: Sue just kind of just disappeared that, I mean, was

1017
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 2: there I did she talk to you guys or did

1018
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 2: she just that was it? She was just gone. She

1019
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: just bounced.

1020
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 10: Sarah, do you recall I mean, like I remember hugging

1021
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 10: her and she said bye, and then she left and

1022
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 10: then I mean, obviously we've talked since, but it was

1023
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 10: like literally twenty years later, like it was almost it

1024
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 10: was right before the pandemic. There was a couple of

1025
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 10: people that were doing like twenty year celebrations, and so

1026
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 10: somebody's like, well, why does nobody's angel do a twenty

1027
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 10: year celebration?

1028
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 7: Like, well, a lot of us haven't seen each other.

1029
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 7: We all live all over the map.

1030
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 10: And so I called everybody and they're like, okay, this

1031
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 10: is interesting.

1032
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 7: And so since and we were we were we had hopes.

1033
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 10: Of doing a twenty year you know, reunion celebration of

1034
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 10: some kind, but then the pandemic hit and then.

1035
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 7: I just kind of fizzle the way.

1036
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I see Amy Sue. Me and my family

1037
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 9: went down to Florida for a vacation in Orlando, and

1038
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 9: that's where she lives. So it was probably about ten

1039
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 9: years ago now. I went down and I visited her there,

1040
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 9: and Okay, things are good, and you know, I don't

1041
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 9: know if we'll ever really talk about it, you know,

1042
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 9: because I don't know that it'll be worth it really, right.

1043
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 9: I think we've all kind of come to terms with

1044
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 9: what happened and are at peace with it. So yeah,

1045
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 9: it was unfortunate for sure, and it kind of felt

1046
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 9: like a whirlwind. So I'm sure we all have our

1047
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 9: own versions of what happened, and it was you know,

1048
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 9: different for all four of us as far as what

1049
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 9: the experience was, but overall, like definite fond memories of

1050
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 9: the whole experience and learned a ton.

1051
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, so many people, like we mentioned, so

1052
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 5: many people just think if they see you enough, if

1053
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 5: you're doing songs for movies and TV shows and I've

1054
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 5: seen you on TV, that's it.

1055
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: You've made it.

1056
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 5: You must be very rich, and they don't understand the

1057
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 5: grind and how hard that business side of it is.

1058
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 5: I mean, even just for people to hear what your

1059
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 5: day to day is. Like you're talking about doing good morning,

1060
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 5: whatever city you're in, you also want to be here

1061
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 5: and makeup ready. You need to be up ahead of

1062
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 5: time to look awake and to have your makeup on

1063
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 5: and to you know, you have to be presenting exactly

1064
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 5: and to sing and to warm up your voice and

1065
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 5: to be personable and to put a smile on. And

1066
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 5: you're doing that, then club tour like maybe if you're lucky,

1067
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 5: you get to take a nap.

1068
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: Somewhere in that day.

1069
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 5: But otherwise you're going from say four thirty in the

1070
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 5: morning until one or two am.

1071
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 7: Right.

1072
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 4: But also this is a crazy time in the music

1073
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 4: industry too. This is like, yeah, the last gasp of

1074
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 4: the old model, like the you know, late nineties early

1075
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 4: aughts is like everyone's starting to download music. It's like

1076
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 4: the model of like get a record deal, then your

1077
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 4: set is not going to work anymore. And you guys

1078
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 4: were living through that, and no one knew what the

1079
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 4: new rules were gonna be. It turns out no one

1080
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 4: makes money and music anymore, but you know by now,

1081
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 4: But like for that period, that's like such a weird

1082
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 4: time of transition. Like I remember friends in the music

1083
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 4: they was like, O, if I just get a record deal.

1084
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 4: But then people would get record deals like you guys,

1085
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 4: and it was like, well, that doesn't guarantee you the

1086
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 4: next ten years of a steady job, Like no, that's

1087
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 4: just another hustle for the next thing.

1088
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 3: And in fact, sometimes.

1089
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 4: People would own they would owe the record company money

1090
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 4: money on that situation.

1091
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 3: It was like, oh my god, like nobody knew the

1092
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 3: rules anymore.

1093
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: It was there was also in the early aughts that

1094
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 2: there's starting to be a backlash against the girl and

1095
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 2: boy groups too, where I was kind of like like, oh,

1096
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 2: that's not cool anymore to being a boy band or

1097
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: a girl group. And it wasn't until really One Direction

1098
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 2: came out again that there was it kind of exploded again.

1099
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 8: So it's like the double whammy.

1100
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 2: And you're doing all of this on whatever food you

1101
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 2: could put in your pockets from the rider.

1102
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 8: I mean, it's like, oh my god, thank god.

1103
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 7: I like, we want we want brust in many weeds,

1104
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 7: we want everything we would eat.

1105
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: This is an interesting writer. We were like, these are

1106
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: the meals. We don't get snacks meals.

1107
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 2: Seriously, we'd like two percent milk on a rider please,

1108
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 2: Like wait, what, oh my god.

1109
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1110
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 8: The music industry, it's just it's.

1111
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 2: So difficult and so much, so much different than if

1112
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:43,479
Speaker 2: you think show.

1113
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 10: When we came out, we were still selling cs at

1114
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 10: twenty bucks a pot, right, and now it's like ten dollars.

1115
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 10: And then you're right, the download came and the record

1116
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 10: companies couldn't even keep up.

1117
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 7: With how fast technology was happening.

1118
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 10: Like they probably just kept up like they probably just

1119
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 10: figured it out maybe ten years ago and not even that, right,

1120
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 10: that's it's still evolving. And now you have TikTok, and

1121
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 10: now you become famous on TikTok. You know, it's like

1122
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 10: always evolving. You don't make money from songwriting anymore. You

1123
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 10: make money as a touring artist.

1124
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 9: Right.

1125
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 7: That is yes, that.

1126
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 4: Right, which is the opposite of what you said earlier,

1127
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 4: which is back then you was a loss leader for

1128
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 4: you know, making your record sales.

1129
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, now it's completely invitable and now.

1130
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 10: And now it's you want to be independent, you want

1131
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 10: to be in charge. And thankfully I learned so much

1132
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 10: because I was that kid, because I was like, I'm like,

1133
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 10: I didn't go to college.

1134
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 7: This was my life.

1135
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 10: I literally spent every day that we weren't on the

1136
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 10: road at the record company, watching everybody do their job,

1137
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 10: asking so many questions. And I remember Diana cast who's

1138
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 10: like a brilliant marketing She ended up going to and

1139
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 10: working for Lady Gaga. She was the one, like you

1140
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 10: guys said, it's like when you get a deal, people.

1141
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 7: Go, oh, I'm going to be superstar famous now.

1142
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 1: And stir rich.

1143
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 10: No, She's like, it's just like getting an agent. You

1144
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 10: also still have to continue to do the work. So yeah,

1145
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 10: so yeah, so you learn so much, so much.

1146
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 2: Wow, and all of this while waitressing in a small

1147
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 2: diner cafe Philadelphia.

1148
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: To tell you whether or not it was worth it.

1149
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 2: An hour outside of Philadelphia, and yet you've never known

1150
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 2: like the big city like it.

1151
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 11: So, oh man, that's great, Sarah.

1152
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 5: You would you would go on to become a very

1153
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 5: successful actor. You'd appear in tons of stuff including Studio sixty,

1154
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 5: on the Sunset Strip, Secrets on Maple Street, CSI, New York.

1155
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 5: And now, as we mentioned, you live with your beautiful

1156
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 5: family in Canada. You're still acting and teaching dance. Would

1157
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 5: you be okay if your kids wanted to get into

1158
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 5: the business. You mentioned your son had a callback, So

1159
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 5: I assuming he's an actor.

1160
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 9: Yeah, he is an actor. It's a hobby right now,

1161
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 9: he's not diving into it. We are quite lucky with

1162
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 9: where we live. We're really close to Vancouver and a

1163
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 9: lot of the film industry from Vancouver comes to our valley,

1164
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 9: which is called the Okanagan Valley. So a lot of

1165
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 9: the work that I do is right here in my backyard.

1166
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 9: If we need to go to Vancouver, then we were

1167
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 9: close enough. I wouldn't discourage it at all. It kind

1168
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 9: of fell into both of our laps up here. Like

1169
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,919
Speaker 9: when I moved up up here, I didn't really think

1170
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 9: that I would continue to be honest, I had just

1171
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,479
Speaker 9: gotten married and it wasn't until after I had three

1172
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 9: kids that my manager in La was like, hey, would

1173
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 9: you ever want to because she was calling me to

1174
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 9: like sign off on something, and she's like, there's so

1175
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 9: much work up there. I'm like, okay. Like I took

1176
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 9: a while because I was like do I want to?

1177
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 9: Because so it's not just saying yes or no. It's like,

1178
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 9: as you guys know, there's so many layers to it, right,

1179
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 9: So I was like, you know what, why not? Like

1180
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 9: I have my and I am so thankful to have

1181
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 9: my family so that it's not my main folk. Yeah

1182
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 9: you know what I mean that like it it comes

1183
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 9: to me when it's supposed to come to me. I

1184
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 9: enjoy doing it. I'm working with awesome people. I love

1185
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 9: my reps and and yeah, it fell into Gunner's lap

1186
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 9: kind of like my agent was like, hey, they're looking

1187
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 9: for hockey players because all my boys are hockey players.

1188
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: Do you have three sons?

1189
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 7: I do?

1190
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: Wow, I have two? I have two sons. Okay, writer

1191
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: has a son, indeed a boy family.

1192
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 8: I'm on three three boys?

1193
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 9: Are you the middle?

1194
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 8: No, I'm the youngest, I'm the baby, I'm the best one.

1195
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course totally.

1196
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 9: But yeah, he was like he auditioned and he ended

1197
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 9: up getting the job. And after experience, I was like,

1198
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 9: do you want to do this again? And actually my

1199
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 9: youngest and my middle got a part in the commercial.

1200
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 9: My youngest was like, I'm done.

1201
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: That was the worst. I never want to do it again.

1202
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 9: Like great, awesome at least, you know, you know, good

1203
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 9: to know either way. Totally, and Gunn was like, yeah, totally,

1204
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 9: I'd be up for it. So yeah, he's done a

1205
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 9: few things and we went down to Argentina to shoot

1206
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 9: something for him this year, which was really so yeah,

1207
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 9: it's just yeah, it's it's fun and yeah we're having

1208
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 9: a good time with it, but it's nothing. Yeah, it's

1209
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 9: not his main focus, which I'm happy about.

1210
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1211
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 5: And Alie, I want you to talk to us about

1212
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 5: your alter ego twinkle Time.

1213
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: Please, how did that come about? And tell us everything?

1214
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 10: Oh my god, Okay, so I can't believe this year

1215
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 10: will be fifteen years that I've been my alter ego

1216
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 10: twinkle Time. Never obviously like pop music and being you know,

1217
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 10: in the music industry.

1218
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 7: Was always my thing.

1219
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 10: After Nobody's Angel, I went back into auditioning and doing

1220
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 10: guests and episodic stuff and then a lot of tours

1221
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 10: in between.

1222
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 7: But I still wanted to do music. And I had this.

1223
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 10: Crazy dream and I told my husband, don't think I'm crazy,

1224
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 10: but I had this dream that I was performing in

1225
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 10: front of kids. And at the time one of my

1226
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 10: side hustles, I was teaching kids musical theater, singing the

1227
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 10: whole thing like all over so caw and I loved it,

1228
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 10: and so I said, I wasn't in my dream. I

1229
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 10: wasn't myself. He's like, what are you talking about?

1230
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 7: Like what this alter ego? And he's like, you're crazy.

1231
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 10: And so I just started writing the songs with my

1232
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 10: writing mentor, and then all of a sudden, I had

1233
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 10: like enough to have an album.

1234
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 7: But then I just sat back and like, what do

1235
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 7: I do from here?

1236
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 10: Like and because also coming from a musical theater background,

1237
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 10: I'm like, well, maybe I put it into like a

1238
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 10: musical and so that's exactly what I did. I put

1239
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 10: it into musical format first, and then I you know,

1240
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 10: put it up in a like little ninety nine seat

1241
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 10: theater in North Hollywood, and we did two shows because

1242
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 10: I invited everybody and everybody came and bought tickets. I

1243
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 10: was like, oh my god, so now I had footage.

1244
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 10: So then I was like, okay, now what do I

1245
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 10: do from here? And I'm like, okay, let me just

1246
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 10: start pitching it. So I started calling every theater, every

1247
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 10: you know, venue that had anything to do with family

1248
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 10: And then one person was like, oh my god, are

1249
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 10: you Ali from Nobody's Angel?

1250
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 7: And I was like yes, Like, oh my god, I

1251
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:37,959
Speaker 7: used to listen to you guys.

1252
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 10: And she was like the marketing at all Caruso properties

1253
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 10: like the Grove, Americana, all this stuff in LA and

1254
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 10: she's like, we do.

1255
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 7: A whole Kid series, but it can't be a musical.

1256
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 7: We don't have a budget for that.

1257
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 10: Can you scale it down and make it like, you know,

1258
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 10: a concert? And I was like heck, yeah, that's easy.

1259
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 10: And from there it took off and like literally, I

1260
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 10: was somebody had came and done like a whole thing

1261
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 10: at the Americana, Like you know, prices were going up

1262
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 10: at Disney and all this stuff, and they're like, oh,

1263
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 10: if you don't have, you know, the money. This is

1264
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 10: all the cool things that you can do with your family,

1265
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 10: take your kids. It's free, and you get this amazing entertainment.

1266
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 10: So I did some little thing on Fox LA and

1267
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 10: then somebody from Nobody's Angel Days called me and was like,

1268
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 10: is this Ali from Nobody's Angel And he had a

1269
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 10: record company that was distributed through Warner Music, and so

1270
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 10: I went in. Again no upfront money, but at the time,

1271
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 10: I was just putting all my money into developing this,

1272
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 10: and so I was just like, well, if they're going

1273
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 10: to print up my my albums, then of course.

1274
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 7: I'm going to say yet.

1275
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 10: So my first album came out in twenty twenty ten

1276
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 10: and under a Warner Music group, but then they went

1277
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 10: through some changes and so then I've been now releasing

1278
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 10: and touring like the country, you know, headlining at you know,

1279
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 10: theaters and state fairs, as like an artist for kids

1280
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 10: and families. So it's like pop rock, really cool music

1281
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 10: with just pative, positive lyrical content. I think people have

1282
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 10: said something like Lady Gaga meets Kiss Band.

1283
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 7: For kids.

1284
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 10: It yeah, And I'm going to be releasing my fifth

1285
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 10: album on August twenty second.

1286
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 7: How exciting Yeah, so it's it's been again.

1287
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 10: All the stuff that I learned from Nobody's angel, I've

1288
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 10: been able to apply to what I do now because

1289
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 10: I do book my own shows, I do promote everything myself.

1290
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 7: I you know, I market. It's like I wear all

1291
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 7: the hats.

1292
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 10: But I wouldn't have known what to do had I

1293
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 10: not had that experience.

1294
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1295
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 5: I mean, just if you work in the entertainment industry

1296
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 5: with as quickly as it evolves, we are nothing.

1297
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: If not incredible hustlers.

1298
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 5: If you want to stay in it, sure you have

1299
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 5: to adapt, you have to adjust, you have to learn

1300
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 5: something new.

1301
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: You have to you know, if you want.

1302
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 5: To stay in it, you're going to have to change

1303
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 5: up the way you've always done it. And every time

1304
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 5: you learn something new, you're like, great, now I'm going

1305
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 5: to be able to use the skill set here. You'll

1306
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 5: continue to use it forever, just in new and innovative ways.

1307
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 5: So well, that really impressive and really fun to talk

1308
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 5: to you both. My last question is looking back now

1309
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 5: nearly almost thirty years later, what do you think and

1310
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 5: what do you feel when you think about that week

1311
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 5: or watch that episode of Boy Meets World?

1312
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 7: Oh do I go first?

1313
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 9: Or Sarah, you want to go well, like, mine's a

1314
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 9: short answer. Honestly, that week propelled my acting career. I

1315
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,919
Speaker 9: enjoyed it so much. And I had taken a couple

1316
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 9: classes before that, but it wasn't my main focus. And

1317
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 9: after that week, I had so much fun that and

1318
01:04:55,720 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 9: just found out so much more about myself that it's like,

1319
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 9: I want to dive into this. So I started going

1320
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 9: to Leslie Kahn, I went to Sandy Marshall, I studied

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Speaker 9: with John Rosenfeld. Like I really dove into it. And

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Speaker 9: that's honestly what propelled my passion for acting.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 5: So there's like a before boy meets World of your

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Speaker 5: life and then there's an after, and Boy meets World

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Speaker 5: was like a turning point.

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Speaker 3: That's cool.

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Speaker 9: It really was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so cool.

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Speaker 1: What about you Ali?

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Speaker 10: For me, it brings so many wonderful, happy memories because

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Speaker 10: it was a dream we all had as a unit

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Speaker 10: and we achieved it. So whether or not the TV

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Speaker 10: show happened, we did your TV show.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 5: Thank you both so much for joining us. We wish

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Speaker 5: you so much luck and success with everything you do

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Speaker 5: in the future. This was so much fun to have

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Speaker 5: you on thank you both for joining us.

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Speaker 9: Great to see you for us both.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it again. You know, listen when you were

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Speaker 1: talking about doing a twenty.

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Speaker 5: Year reunion, I was like, you know, guys, twenty five

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Speaker 5: thirty years, isn't that fun?

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Speaker 8: You know everybody else I should do it here, let's

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Speaker 8: do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go listen to that. We might do an

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Speaker 1: Edd Bevis pop up. Maybe we're going to need a

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Speaker 1: musical performance. Yes there over there, Okay, call a me Sue.

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Speaker 5: See if Amy Sue will come out from Florida gets Stacy.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, oh yeah, all right.

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Speaker 1: Thank you ladies.

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Speaker 5: I think it's so interesting how much the music industry is, like,

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Speaker 5: it's so funny. We rarely hear people talk about, well,

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Speaker 5: in acting, you're really well protected in.

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Speaker 8: The music industry. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's like most of.

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Speaker 1: The time people are like, well in acting, they just

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Speaker 1: get so advantage of you.

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Speaker 5: But here's the music industry is that.

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Speaker 4: The music industry seems to be about ten to fifteen

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Speaker 4: years ahead of like what happens to the music industry

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Speaker 4: happens to the film and TV industry. And I think

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Speaker 4: that's what's happening right now. So I feel those protections

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Speaker 4: going away?

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Speaker 8: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Like the idea that you can be on a TV

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Speaker 4: show and make money in residuals is gone now, yeah,

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Speaker 4: because streamers don't that doesn't exist. So for writers, directors, actors,

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Speaker 4: the entire system is now gone. So we're at that

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Speaker 4: point where even having a union it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: How do you monetize it?

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Speaker 4: Because once we accepted that we all want our music

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Speaker 4: for free or for a subscription service for a monthly fee,

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Speaker 4: the artists can't make it anymore. And film and television

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Speaker 4: is even more expensive to produce. So how is that

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Speaker 4: going to happen?

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Speaker 2: I know? I talked to an agent friend of mine

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Speaker 2: who literally said, he goes, Oh, the days of the

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Speaker 2: journeyman actor, where you can make a decent living and

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Speaker 2: raise a family, and all you do is you just

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Speaker 2: guest star and stuff.

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Speaker 8: He's like, we don't even hire those people anymore. No,

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Speaker 8: he goes, we don't even rep them.

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Speaker 2: He goes, because what you're gonna they're going to get

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Speaker 2: us eighty dollars a week something like that.

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Speaker 8: He goes, we don't need it. And so that whole.

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Speaker 4: Section of acting, the economic moss appearing, is completely upside down.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how it's sustainable.

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Speaker 2: For it is, and the and the music industry is worse.

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Speaker 2: It's like Thunderdom. I mean it really the idea that

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Speaker 2: you can still go listen to Nobody's Angels music on

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Speaker 2: all these movies and all this stuff and streaming and

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Speaker 2: they don't see a dime of it. But the people

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Speaker 2: they had to fire who were screwing them over still

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Speaker 2: get that.

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Speaker 8: Money is so insane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's ugh. Yeah, the rules are always changing.

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Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, you start your career in

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Speaker 4: entertainment and so much of it is like you know,

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Speaker 4: everybody comes into it. You come in with an artistic

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Speaker 4: passionate I can sing, I can dance, I can act,

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Speaker 4: and then you're like, you have to learn the rules.

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Speaker 4: So you try and find a mentor or an agent

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Speaker 4: or a manager or a producer or somebody who will

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Speaker 4: teach you the rules. And then within moments you realize

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Speaker 4: there are no rules and you actually just have to

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Speaker 4: learn the old rules in order to figure out how

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Speaker 4: to break them. And it's you know, and the sooner

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Speaker 4: you make that transition from like Okay, I'm confident enough

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Speaker 4: and understanding how things are working at this second that

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Speaker 4: now I need to go beyond them and break them.

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Speaker 3: That's the only way you make it in entertainment. It's

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Speaker 3: it's a very it's.

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Speaker 4: You know, we were children, so we learned the rules

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Speaker 4: by absorbing it, by being in it. But like, you know,

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Speaker 4: think about for our parents trying to play catch up

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Speaker 4: to like what it means to have an agent to

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Speaker 4: do this, to have a good contract, Like, oh my god,

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Speaker 4: it's terrifying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so scary.

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Speaker 5: Thank you all for joining us for this episode of

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Speaker 5: Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on

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01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 5: Instagram pod Meets World Show. You can send us your

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Speaker 5: emails pod meets World.

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Speaker 1: Show at gmail dot com. And we've got merch.

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Speaker 9: Man.

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Speaker 8: I'm auditioning for my new boy band.

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Speaker 2: I would like some other members to join me, because

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Speaker 2: if it's just me, then it's not really a band.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's devil. Everybody's devil. We're in.

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Speaker 8: Let's go everybody's devil.

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Speaker 11: Great idea.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I'll start a homager.

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Speaker 1: I'll start booking you. I'll start booking you right now.

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Speaker 8: We should maybe have a song.

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Speaker 1: No'm there's no songs, no.

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Speaker 3: Songs, but we still do mall tours.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I love it. Everybody's devil. It's such a good.

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Speaker 11: Title too, so good, it's so good.

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Speaker 8: All right, it's our man. Who also are you getting?

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Speaker 2: We get? We got we got to get at least,

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Speaker 2: but then he can actually sing and Dan okay, no,

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Speaker 2: maybe it's just the three of us and Weel's at

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Speaker 2: the center and you and I are the two devils.

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Speaker 4: Were the devils on her shoulder, so we're like two

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Speaker 4: different devils and we argue. You know, you used to

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Speaker 4: be the angel the devil and said, it's just two devils.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's great.

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Speaker 1: We've got a great image.

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Speaker 4: You just where you're like, what's the wrestling, No, the

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Speaker 4: housing cast makeup and yeah, in the middle, and we'll

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Speaker 4: be the devils on either side of you.

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Speaker 3: None of us sing. We've he's not a band.

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Speaker 8: Let's go. This is amazing. I love this artwists to

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Speaker 8: start booking it immediately.

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Speaker 1: Yes, writers, send this out.

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Speaker 3: We love you all. Pod dismissed.

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Speaker 4: Podmeets World is an iHeart podcast producer hosted by Danielle Fischel,

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Speaker 4: Wilfridell and Ryder Strong. Executive producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman,

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Speaker 4: Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor,

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Speaker 4: Taras Ubasch producer, Maddy Moore, engineer and boy meets World

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Speaker 4: Superman Easton Allen. Our theme song is by Kyle Morton

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