WEBVTT - The Digital Trail 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:06.040 BCIs Julia Everslade says Angela Wagner's all vone activity showed 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:10.720 several disturbing entries. He never called Chris senior like he 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:15.640 told BCI agents after Chris died. Digital data plays such 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:19.639 a huge role in all of these cases. You begin 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:25.560 to see these little electron red crumbs as to their activity. 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:31.520 This is the piked to massacre Returned to Pike County 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:39.560 season four, episode thirteen, The Digital Trail Courtney Armstrong a 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:43.479 television producer at Katy Studios with Stephanie Lydecker and Jeff Shane. 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.840 It's important to note that Billy Wagner, George Wagner's father, 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.800 whose trial is upcoming, has pled not guilty to all charges. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:56.640 We've so far heard rhems of testimony from different ballistics experts, 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.760 from the coroner who did the autopsies on the Rodent family, 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:04.080 from the victims family members. Last episode we heard from 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.720 Billy Wagner, and now we hear more from the rest 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.600 of the Wagners. But the day begins with the hearing 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.959 before Judge during regarding the use of technology and media 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:17.120 in the trial. Here's James Pilcher, longtime investigative reporter in 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:21.280 Cincinnati now with Local twelve. This was a big day 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:25.040 for the media covering the trial because the day before, 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:30.600 the appeals court ruled that whatever shown in court, we 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:35.880 can show either through still photographs, streaming video, whatever, because 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:38.160 the judge had previously said he tried to put a 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:42.679 ban on anything involving blood, involving miners, or involving bodies, 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:48.440 and that's against the rules of jurisprudence in Ohio. Anything 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:50.720 that's shown in court can be shown publicly. Now it's 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.840 up to us to self censor. This morning's hearing is 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.680 over how the appellate Court's ruling will affect the photos 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.400 and videos that are presented in the trial moving forward. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.080 It harkens back to the beginning of the trial, when 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.120 so much was about what would and would not be 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:19.560 allowed to be released by the media. Defense attorney John 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:22.840 Parker argues that jurors could go online and see images 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.840 that were not previously introduced as evidence, and that that 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.400 could taint the view of the defendant, George Wagner. The 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:48.080 fourth judge, Daring asked the prosecution about the possibility of 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:51.880 the jury viewing sensitive material, in particular material that is 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:56.600 not being admitted into evidence. Assuming the jurors are following 0:02:56.680 --> 0:03:00.560 the cors order, there's absolutely no reason to it. They're 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:02.840 or not, and they're not going to be looking at 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:06.120 any type of media or being so anything out of 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.079 the media anyway. Yeah, that would be our position, or 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:14.200 it's not very good, it doesn't be fished. In the end, 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.520 Judge Daring sides with the news media and the prosecution. 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:20.720 That morning, the judge has a hearing and says, hey, 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.720 we've got to abide by this and from now on 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:25.520 you go ahead and use the screens, but no that 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:27.520 it's going to be it can be shown, and that 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:31.080 the prosecution at that point had been going to the 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.799 photographers and saying, hey, this is gonna have blood and 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.360 it don't show it. Well, it was allowing the prosecutors 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.080 to self censor, our censor what was going to be 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.280 shown on what wasn't, and that's really not what the 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.160 court is supposed to happen. So, yeah, that was a 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:48.360 big day with the media policy clarified. The trial resumes. 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.840 Special Prosecutor Angie Kinnepa and her team called Ohio BCI 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:56.680 intelligence supervisor Dana Forney to the stand. Forney was a 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.360 criminal intelligence analyst at the time of the murders in 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:03.440 twenty six team as investigators were looking into the Wagner's agent, 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.600 Forney analyzed their cell phone data. Forny says she first 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:08.920 looked at Billy Wagner cell records in the months and 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.600 days leading up to the murders on April twenty first 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.920 and twenty second, twenty sixteen. Forney has been working in 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.080 the criminal intelligence unit for ten years. She wears a 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:21.080 purple shirt with a black blazer and is calm and 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.480 confident on the stand. Forney lays out why she was 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.359 looking into the phone records of Billy Wagner, father, the 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:31.760 defendant and also accused murderer. Once Billy was interviewed by 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:38.039 the investigative team, they requested the records to either corroborate 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.520 or refute any statements that he made about his locations 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:45.000 who he was calling. So the investigative team had asked 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:46.960 me to just take a look at the records and 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:49.960 create a map of where Billy was on the day 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.520 of the twenty first and the twenty second. Okay, and 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:58.000 so did you do that? Yes? Angie Kneppa brings the 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.560 map on the screen for the courtroom to see. It 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.360 shows various cell towers and their relation to the three 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:07.359 crime scenes, as well as the Wagner residences. Agent Forney 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:09.920 also had access to the call log so she could 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:13.159 see who Billy Wagner was calling and who was calling Billy. 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.400 On April twenty first, the day of the murders, there 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.560 were several calls from Billy Wagner's son, George. The fourth 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.440 though stopped at around five forty four pm. It was 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.600 at five fifty five pm when Billy made his last 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:30.799 phone call of the day. The last outgoing call from 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:34.760 this device that night of April twenty first was to 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:39.040 Christopher Roden Senior. Billy Wagner's last call of the night 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:42.520 was to Christopher Roden Senior. Chris Roden tried to call 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:46.440 Billy back five separate times up until ten fifteen pm. 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.520 Each time it went to voicemail. Previous testimony stated that 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:55.080 Chris Rodin was likely murdered soon after eleven pm. Can 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.840 you tell us did that device of Billy Wagner's ever 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:04.680 make any attacks to contact Chris Senior's phone after receiving 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.240 those series of calls the night before that were routed 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.760 to voicemail. No even though he checked his voicemail that 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:16.000 following morning. Yes, did you see any evidence whatsoever that 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.440 he ever called or attempted to call Chris Rodan Senior 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:23.680 after that last call to him shortly before six pm 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.719 on April twenty first of twenty sixteen. There were no 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:33.240 outcoing calls from Billy's phone to Chris Rodan Senior. So 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.159 the other thing that they found in those records, of course, 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:40.400 was that he never called Chris Senior, like he told 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:43.640 BCI agents after Chris died. You know, he said he 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:45.960 destroyed his phones and he got a new number because 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.799 he kept getting upset at himself because he kept calling 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.440 Chris Senior's phone by accident, because he was his best friend. Well, 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:56.119 they proved that never happened. Using triangulation of the cell 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:59.880 towers and the geolocation of Billy's cell phone. Agent four 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.200 was also able to narrow down Wagner's location when he 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:07.400 used his phone when I conducted the analysis first of 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:12.280 just his common towers. These were the most common towers 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.840 in Billy's records, the two that serviced the area of 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.760 the Flying W and the one that services the area 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:22.200 of Peterson Road. The Flying W was where Billy Wagner's 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:26.440 parents lived. Billy spent most nights there. The Peterson Road 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:30.840 address was where Angela, Jake and George Wagner lived. Prosecutor 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.600 Knappa asked about the location of Billy's cell phone the 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.600 day of the murders and the day after. She also 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.280 asked if there was a change in Billy's habits on 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:43.600 those days. So significant to you would be if the 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:49.360 last outgoing or incoming contact or communication was at a 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:54.000 particular location at that night and then also in that 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.680 same location in the morning. Correct, we dedicate to you 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.880 at the habit of spending the night or whatever. Yes, 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:02.920 Kneppa pulls up on the big screen a calendar of 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:06.680 Billy's cell phone locations during the month of April. This 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:11.160 is April twenty sixteen's calendar of Billy's last serving cell 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:15.280 site and first serving cell site. Okay, And specifically, you 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:19.440 have the last cell site, which is the services the 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.960 Peterson Road address. Correct, Yes, at eleven o four pm. 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:27.800 And then the first phone utilization the following morning also 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:31.600 still located at Peterson Road. Correct, And why was that significant? 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.360 I guess that on April twenty first the device was 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:36.200 at Peterson Road when typically it would be in the 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:40.160 flyin w. There were just comments made to the investigative 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:44.520 team about the family was all together that night and 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.199 we didn't know if that was a common for them 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:52.400 to all be together at Peterson Road and then again 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.200 through kind of the end of April. Do you see 0:08:55.240 --> 0:09:00.280 that same pattern continuing as far as the Peterson Road address. Yes, 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.800 so then from that point forward you see a shift 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:08.440 in the device's behavior that now the typical last serving 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.520 cellsite and first serving cellsite the next morning are in 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.600 the Peterson Road area. And the other thing they were 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.040 able to show is that leading up to the murders 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:23.080 that Billy up until then, his phone at night when 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:24.679 he would go to bed was at the Flying w 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.400 After the murders, for at least a month and a half, 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.440 except for the times they went to Alaska, it was 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:35.000 at Peterson Road. So that was a major alteration in 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:42.520 his behavior. On the day after the murders. Here's Stephanie 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.960 and Jeff And by the way, this is the very 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:50.240 very first time I've personally ever heard that Billy Wagner 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:55.360 accused father that he wasn't sleeping home. And while this 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.920 evidence doesn't necessarily tie George Wagner directly to the murders. 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:02.120 It does support the prosecution's argument that the Wagners were 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:05.120 in contact and were physically together the night of the murders. 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:09.199 It's fascinating now that we can better understand the comings 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.720 and goings of everyone based on their cell phones, and 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:15.400 it's always interesting to see behind the curtain a little 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:20.600 bit about an investigation, cell towers, information regarding where their 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.839 cell phones were. It kind of becomes this map, and 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:29.319 in many cases that's extremely meaningful. I will say, in 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.120 this case, again we're not seeing too too much yet 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:35.560 about George, but it is certainly interesting to see where 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.200 everybody else was and who they had been calling. In 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:42.839 those final days, people were frustrated with law enforcements, timeline 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.720 of how long it took to make arrests, or how 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:47.920 the public felt like they didn't know what was going on. 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.400 But I think this kind of police work just proves that, 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:54.240 like you said, behind the curtain, there was a lot 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:58.520 of investigative work happening that really helps not just getting arrest, 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:03.120 but hopefully commiction. What's your inclination? Does that mean that 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:09.280 Billy Wagner, Accu's father was calling victim father Chris rod 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.720 In to see if he was home at that hour, 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:16.520 and doing sort of a scout to see if typically 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:20.080 he's home between those certain hours. I think it probably 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.760 points to Billy Wagner knowing that every cell phone call 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:27.920 is tracked or could be tracked, and he is planting 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.679 some seed or trying to lay some sort of what 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.640 will eventually be his defense. Good point. It should also 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.600 be important to note staff that while the cell phone 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.880 data helps give an idea of Billy Wagner's location and 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:43.120 habits before and after the murders, it doesn't actually detail 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:46.560 what was said during these phone calls. More importantly, it 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:52.199 doesn't specify how the Wagner's allegedly coordinated the killings. All 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.480 of that is about to change with the next witness 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:59.000 called by the prosecution, Julia Evslidge, a BCI agent who 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.840 analyzed the search history, images and text messages on Angelo 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:07.120 Wagner's phone. BCI's Julia Everslage says Angelo Wager's cell phone 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:12.320 activity showed several disturbing entries. Here's forensic medical examiner Joseph 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:16.560 Scott Morgan. Digital data plays such a huge role in 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.839 all of these cases, you begin to see this little 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.800 what I refer to as electron bread crumbs as to 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.600 their activity. Agent Everslage wears a purple blazer and white shirt. 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.319 She has dirty blonde hair that falls to her shoulders. 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:31.760 On the stand she speaks in a very matter of 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.360 fact manner about the Google searches of Angelo Wagner. So 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:39.000 the bottom line here is a Google search for Alaska 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:42.160 houses for sale and what I believed to be in Seward, 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.440 which is a city or a town in Alaska, a 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.040 visit of a website Seward real Estate, Inc. And a 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:52.760 second visit of that. Just a minute later, Prosecutor Kaneppa 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:56.360 and Agent Eversledge walk through the various searches. There are 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.960 many about houses for sale in Alaska, living in Alaska, 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:05.920 jobs in Alaska, both before and after the murders. Here again, 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:10.080 Joseph Scott Morgan. You know, we all go into a 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.960 trial with a presumption of innocence in our system. However, 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.760 when the prosecution is presenting this case to the jury, 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.280 you have to draw upon the common sense of the 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.960 jury and say it isn't it interesting you know that 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:29.040 this individual might be searching out things like you know, 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.199 the nature of what it's like to live in Alaska, 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:36.280 or you know, are are there jobs available, for instance 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:42.439 in Alaska. But Angelo Adner wasn't only googling about Alaska. 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.080 The Google search is symptoms of sexual Penetration in a 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:50.040 Toddler and that took place on January eighteen, twenty sixteen. 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:53.240 And then the final lineup of the top is Trauma 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:57.959 Responses in Children, a website that was visited here again 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:02.679 James Pilcher. The other thing that came up from Angela's 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.880 phone is that she had been searching for several months 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:11.120 previously on signs of sexual abuse and a toddler. We 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:15.280 know that they will later accuse the Rodents of or 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.920 somebody in the Rodent family of abusing Jake's daughter. But 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.520 one key thing that on Angela's phone which kind of 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:24.400 got me to thinking about this paranoia about sexual abuse 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.880 and rape. She looked up rape culture in Alaska. Now, 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.320 if you're moving to a place, is that one thing 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:32.800 you would look up? Is that something you would google? 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.120 Is there rape culture up there? So obviously it's front 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:40.640 of mine in this family for her. We're going to 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:50.480 take a break. We'll be back in a moment. The 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.640 prosecution and agent of a Sledge turned to Angela Wagner's 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:57.520 searches in March, just one month before the murders. There 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:02.080 are first searches on Facebook for Hannah may rodin photos, 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.040 an attempt to look at the friends of Hannah Roden's 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:09.200 on her Facebook, and then another search on the same 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.440 friends list of Hannah Roden. On March thirteenth, twenty sixteen, 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.360 Agent of A Sledge reads Angela's search history just days 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:21.760 after the murders. These were searches pertaining to the homicides themselves. 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.000 On April twenty seventh, there was a Facebook search Roden 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:28.760 family massacre. They were reading of comments from the search 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:32.600 as well as Roden Family shootings, and then reading of 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:36.440 two articles pertaining to the homicides from the Inquirer. When 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.360 you've got a person that is essentially the matriarch of 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.680 the family and who many people have pointed to is 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:46.360 kind of the brains behind the operation. And when you 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:51.000 begin to see the searches that Angela was engaged in, 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:57.160 when you marry that up with the physical evidence that 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:00.200 you have and you see how of that plays out, 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:05.800 then I think by extension, you begin to comparely thinks 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:07.680 you know well, you can searching thing you want to 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.000 on your phone. It doesn't necessarily mean that you're guilty. 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.520 The defense points out that Angela's search history doesn't prove 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:17.560 that she acted on the information. However, the text between 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.200 Angela and her husband Billy Wagner Do Shine a Lad 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:24.400 in their dynamic Evislige begins to read text messages aloud 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:28.240 that were sent between Angela and Billy Wagner. Angela, I 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:29.920 still love you, but I would like to spend some 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:34.320 time with you, just you, not all of all our problems. Billy. 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.800 That's not going to happen, and it's only going to 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:41.080 get worse. Shit just starting, Angela, What are you talking about. 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:45.280 I'm trying to understand, Billy. I am preparing my head 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:51.040 for disaster, Angela, for what your dad or Jake? Billy? 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:56.000 Just everything has turned to shit all Angela. Yes, I 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.880 agree with you. Can I help you in any way? Billy? 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:03.960 Bullet to the head would fix me right up. She 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.520 reads a text exchange four months before the murders, this 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:12.360 one about Hannah Rodin Angela. All hell is happening here 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.880 with Hannah and Angela. She is trying to keep Jake 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:19.760 from getting her tomorrow. Billy did you get her yet? Billy, 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:23.760 you can run away with me, Angela. I promise, if 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.879 it weren't for me and I would be gone. Billy. 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.760 Anytime you want, Billy, you just say the word and me, 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:34.240 you and babies will be off on the big adventure. Billy, 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:36.600 just give me a sign and I will come running. 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:43.240 James Pilcher there were several between Billy and Angela that 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:48.359 showed very, very tumultuous nature of the relationship. You know. 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:50.240 Billy even said, I wish I could take you away. 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:51.800 She said, yeah, if it weren't for the kids and 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:55.160 the grandkids, I would go with you. But I'm with them. 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.679 More messages about Billy and Angela Wagner running away together, 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:03.480 sent three months before the murders. Billy, I am moving on. 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.239 You are more than welcome to come bring babies and 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.719 come on. Angela. Well, they are not our babies. And 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:11.679 I would never do that to George and Jake. I 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.160 would have killed someone if they would have even mentioned 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.080 going away with my babies. And if you really missed me, 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.439 you would do anything or go through anything for me. 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:27.360 Here's Jeff and Joseph Scott Morgan. Again. It's interesting because 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.360 I don't think any of her texts our Google searches 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.439 are totally point to George's guilt, certainly, but they do 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:35.040 paint a picture of maybe the dynamics of the family. 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:41.320 The way I've kind of come to view this case 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.879 and in context to everything, is that Angela is essentially 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.879 the hub of the wagon. Will Okay, and everybody else 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.719 that is involved in this, whether it was Jake or 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:59.359 Billy or George who's currently on trial, their extensions, they're 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.840 like spoke and all of this. She's the hub that 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:07.399 everything else radiates out from, And when you begin to 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:13.840 take all of that into consideration, it does paint this 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:18.680 picture of the world that these people existed in. They 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:23.600 live in this world that's dominated by Angela. Prosecutor Kneppa 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.680 and agent Everslage walk through text messages set nearly two 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:32.000 months before the murders. Billy, it's a fine mess Angela. Well, 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.040 maybe it is worth you helping me work it out. 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:37.560 As the date of the massacre draws near, a particularly 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:41.800 disturbing message, Billy, I got a plan If you just 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.439 take one damn minute and listen, Angela. Okay, tell me, 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.880 Billy when I see you. This is the last time. 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:50.800 I am going to try. If the three of you 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:55.760 don't take time to listen to me, then oh well, Angela, okay, 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:03.359 Stephanie and je At that time, remember Billy Wagner's father 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:06.520 was dying. There was a husty to dispute heating up 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:10.679 between the Wagoners and the Rodents. So when he's talking 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:14.760 about things being, you know, really bad, perhaps that's what 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:18.080 he was talking about, not necessarily anything to do with murder. 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.760 Knowing what we know now, you can put a lens 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:24.680 on anything the Wagners did, whether it's something they google, 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.320 something they said to each other, something they said in writing, 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:30.280 where they went, what they did, all of those things 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:33.000 can be scrutinized in a way that they couldn't before. 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.720 Agent Evislage then turns to text messages sent between Jake 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:42.480 and Angela. These were sent just one month before the murders. 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.119 It was a conversation of interest because it appeared to 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:51.800 have been discussing parts that were purchased. Jake okay, also 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:55.080 at okay, I'd done paid for it all, but I 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:58.359 do not need two three quarter inch stuff now, So 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:01.080 see if you can, if you can return it, Angela, 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.960 I will take care of it. Jake, Okay, it's a 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.680 die and two fittings that I do not need. Pick 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:10.560 up the other die and bit still need them? Angela, okay, 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.199 we'll do. Did you pay cash or put them on 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:18.080 your card? Jake cash? Angela okay. And when you say 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:21.280 that was of interest because it related to items that 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:25.600 have been purchased, what are you talking about, specifically items 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:29.320 that we believe we're used to build suppressors. There's information 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:33.600 openly available on the internet about parts required or that 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:36.800 can be used to make suppressors. Tap and dies, for instance, 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:39.560 are parts that can be used, Drill bits that are 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:42.720 long can be used, and those are just components that 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:45.399 are used to build suppressors. When it comes to the 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:50.520 testimony of Julia Edislage, she's kind of had access to 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:54.280 the beating heart of information. She has a unique insight 0:21:54.640 --> 0:22:01.480 into this world that the Wagoners inhabited, because you begin 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.280 to think about, well, is it a matter of them 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:07.680 being able to talk about these things open freely or 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:09.639 are they going to have to create coded language in 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:12.760 order to do this? In order to get messages through 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:17.359 to one another, Evslas reads another text message with what 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:21.640 appears to be coded language George Wagner continues to stare 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:25.000 at his feed. Jake ps, look in the cabinet at 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:28.720 the bottom of stairs, not finished yet and need one more. Angela, 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:33.040 Are there pink bunnies there? Jake? One is Angela? What 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:36.800 about sprinkles? Jake ain't got them yet. They are coming 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:41.720 in mail and at Okay. Next Friday, Prosecutor Knappa asked 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:44.960 the agents why she thought the words quote sprinkles and 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:49.480 quote pink bunnies were quoted language. Well, first, there was 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:54.000 a mention of and okay, which in the prior messages 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:57.240 there were parts to be picked up or exchanged at Okay, 0:22:57.400 --> 0:23:00.520 which I interpreted to be okay. Auto parts were known 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:06.240 purchases that we identified later from various autoparts stores, and 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:11.040 as well as the conversation the pink bunnies, that was 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:14.359 right on the heels of the discussion about the various 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:19.320 parts regards what you testified too could be used to 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:25.639 make silencers correct, Yes, okay. If you have an awareness 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:28.199 where you feel though you're gonna have to speak in 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.760 coded language, why in the world would you even offer 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:34.399 up any conversation at all. As it turned out, you know, 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:37.639 they were able to pick up the multiplicity communications that 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:40.840 were going on, and you began to see this a 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:45.200 little trail of electronic breadcrumbs that have been created. Here again, 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:49.919 Stephanie and Jeff, there's a lot made of Billy and 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:54.480 Angela Wagner using code words when they're talking about sprinkles 0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:58.119 and pink bunnies. And I don't know, that might be 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:00.480 a little bit of a leap, if you know, we're 0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:04.040 all working on the assumption that these are code words 0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:07.000 that could very well be but those code words could 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:10.480 be for anything, you know, as mentioned, it could be 0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:14.960 for autoparts, it could be for drugs. It could also 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:19.359 be for ingredients to make a cake. Yeah, Steph, I mean, 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:23.680 this is very circumstantial evidence, if it's even considered evidence 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:26.720 at all, and it certainly doesn't point to George Wagner 0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:30.520 being guilty of murder. Local news jumps on this finding 0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:34.680 of quoted language text messages between Angela and Jake, which 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:39.359 include pink bunnies and sprinkles nothing to do with cartoons 0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:41.960 or ice cream. The prosecution says they are code words 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:46.680 for firearm accessories that Jake ordered. Now, today's testimony also 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:50.320 took jurors to Montana's border with Canada. That's where agents 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:53.800 intercepted the Wagners, who were driving back to the US 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:56.480 from Alaska more than a year before they ended up 0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:59.880 being arrested. Next, the prosecution calls up Agent Ryan Shy. 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:02.680 He wears a gray suit with a purple shirt and 0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:06.360 tie and was the lead investigator in the Rodent family murders. 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:10.000 The prosecution begins by laying out the evidence collected thus 0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:14.000 far in the investigation. So at this point, now you 0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:18.000 have collected ballistic evidence that we heard Matt White also 0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:21.600 talk about that matched the shell cascenes or cartridge casings 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:25.919 that were fired at both scenes two and three. And 0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:29.040 we have the shoeprint evidence that has now been linked 0:25:29.080 --> 0:25:32.000 to the Wagner's via the Walmart receive in the image 0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:36.040