1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: BCI's Julia Everslade says Angela Wagner's cell phone activity showed 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: several disturbing juries. He never called Chris senior like he 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: told BCI agents after Chris died. Digital data plays such 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: a huge role in all of these cases. You begin 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: to see this little electronic breadcrumbs as to their activity. 6 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: This is the Piked and massacre Returned to Pike County 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: Season four, episode thirteen, The Digital Trail. I'm Courtney Armstrong, 8 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: a television producer at Katie Studios with Stephanie Leidecker and 9 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: Jeff Sheen. It's important to note that Billy Wagner, George 10 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: Wagner's father, whose trial is upcoming, has pled not guilty 11 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: to all charges. We've so far heard reams of testimony 12 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: from different ballistics experts, from the coroner who did the 13 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: autopsies on the Rodent family, from the victims' family members. 14 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: Last episode we heard from Billy Wagner, and now we 15 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: hear more from the rest of the Wagners. But the 16 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: day begins with the hearing before Judge Daring regarding the 17 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: use of technology and media in the trial. Here's James Pilcher, 18 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: longtime investigative reporter in Cincinnati now with Local twelve. This 19 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,279 Speaker 1: is a big day for the media covering the trial 20 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: because the day before, the appeals Court ruled that whatever 21 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: shown in court, we can show either through still photographs, 22 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: streaming video, whatever, because the judge had previously said he 23 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: tried to put a ban on anything involving blood, involving miners, 24 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: or involving bodies, and that's against the rules of jurispudence 25 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: in Ohio. Anything that's shown in court can be shown publicly. 26 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: Now it's up to us to self censor. This morning's 27 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: hearing is over how the appellate Court's ruling will affect 28 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: the photos and videos that are presented in the trial 29 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: moving forward. It harkens back to the beginning of the trial, 30 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: when so much was about what would and would not 31 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: be allowed to be released by the media that publish. 32 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: Defense attorney John Parker argues that jurors could go online 33 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: and see images that were not previously introduced as evidence, 34 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: and that that could taint the view of the defendant, 35 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: George Wagner. The fourth and as much as is Judge 36 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: Daring asked the prosecution about the possibility of the jury 37 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: viewing sensitive material, in particular material that is not being 38 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: admitted into evidence. Assuming the jurors are following the cosorder, 39 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: there's absolutely no reason to they're not, and they're not 40 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: going to be looking at any type of media or 41 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: being anything out of the media anyway. That would be 42 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: our position, it's not. In the end, judge sharing sides 43 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: with the news media and the prosecution. That morning, the 44 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: judge has a hearing and says, hey, we've got to 45 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: abide by this and from now on you go ahead 46 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: and use the screens, but no that it's going to 47 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: be it can be shown, and that the prosecution at 48 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: that point had been going to the photographers and saying, hey, 49 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: this is going to have blood and it don't show it, 50 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: while it was allowing the prosecutors to self censor. Our 51 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: censor what was going to be shown and what wasn't, 52 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: and that's really not what the court is supposed to happen. So, yeah, 53 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: that was a big day with the media policy clarified. 54 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: The trial resumes. Special Prosecutor Angie Kinneppa and her team 55 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: call Ohio BCI intelligence supervisor Dana Forney to the stand. 56 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: Forney was a criminal intelligence analyst at the time of 57 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: the murders in twenty six team, as investigators were looking 58 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: into the Wagner's agent Forney analyzed their cell phone data. 59 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: Forni says she first looked at Billy Wager cell records 60 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: in the months and days leading up to the murders 61 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: on April twenty first and twenty second, twenty sixteen. Fornye 62 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: has been working in the criminal intelligence unit for ten years. 63 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: She wears a purple shirt with a black blazer and 64 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: is calm and confident. On the stand, Forny lays out 65 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: why she was looking into the phone records of Billy Wagner, 66 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: father of the defendant and also accused murderer. Once Billy 67 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: was interviewed by the investigative team, they requested the records 68 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: to either corroborate or refute any statements that he made 69 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: about his locations who he was calling. So the investigative 70 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: team had asked me to just take a look at 71 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: the records and create a map of where Billy was 72 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: on the day of the twenty first and the twenty second. Okay, 73 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: and so did you do that? Yes? Angie Kinneppa brings 74 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: the map on the screen for the courtroom to see. 75 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: It shows various cell towers and their relation to the 76 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: three crime scenes, as well as the Wagner residences. Agent 77 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: Forny also had access to the call log so she 78 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: could see who Billy Wagner was calling and who was 79 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: calling Billy. On April twenty first, the day of the murders, 80 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: there were several calls from Billy Wagner's son, George the Fourth. 81 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: Those stopped at around five forty four pm. It was 82 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: at five point fifty five pm when Billy made his 83 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: last phone call of the day. The last outgoing call 84 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: from this device that night of April twenty first was 85 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: to Christopher Roden Senior. Billy Wagner's last call of the 86 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: night was to Christopher Roden Senior. Chris Roden tried to 87 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: call Billy back five separate times up until ten fifteen pm. 88 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: Each time it went to voicemail. Previous testimony stated that 89 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: Chris Roden was likely murdered soon after eleven pm. Can 90 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: you tell us did that device of Billy Wagner's ever 91 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:04,799 Speaker 1: make any attempt to contact Chris Senior's phone after receiving 92 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: those series of calls the night before that were routed 93 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: to voicemail? No? Okay? Even though he checked his voicemail 94 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: that following morning. Yes, did you see any evidence whatsoever 95 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: that he ever called or attempted to call Chris Roadin Sr. 96 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: After that last call to him shortly before six pm 97 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: on April twenty first of twenty sixteen. There were no 98 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: outcoing calls from Billy's phone to Chris Roady Sr. So 99 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: the other thing that they found in those records, of course, 100 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: was that he never called Chris Senior, like he told 101 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: BCI agents after Chris died. You know, he said he 102 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: destroyed his phones and he got a new number because 103 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: he kept getting upset at himself because he kept calling 104 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: Chris Senior's phone by accident, because he was his best friend. Well, 105 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: they proved that never happened. Using triangulation of the cell 106 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: towers and the geolocation of Billy's cell phone. Agent four 107 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: Ernie was also able to narrow down Wagner's location when 108 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: he used his phone. When I conducted the analysis first 109 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: of just his common towers. These were the most common 110 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: towers in Billy's records, the two that serviced the area 111 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: of the Flying W and the one that services the 112 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,679 Speaker 1: area of Peterson Road. The Flying W was where Billy 113 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: Wagner's parents lived. Billy spent most nights there. The Peterson 114 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: Road address was where Angela, Jake and George Wagner lived. 115 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: Prosecutor Kunapa asked about the location of Billy's cell phone 116 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: the day of the murders and the day after. She 117 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: also asked if there was a change in Billy's habits 118 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: on those days. So significant to you would be if 119 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: the last outgoing or incoming contact or communication was adding 120 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: particular location at that night and then also in that 121 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: same location in the morning. Correct, would indicate to you 122 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: a habit of spending the night or whatever. Yeah, Kinnepa 123 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: pulls up on the big screen a calendar of Billy's 124 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: cell phone locations during the month of April. This is 125 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: April twenty sixteen's calendar of Billy's last serving cell site 126 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: and first serving cell site. Okay, And specifically, you have 127 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: the last cell site, which is the services the Peterson 128 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: Road address. Correct, Yes, at eleven oh four pm. And 129 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: then the first phone utilization the following morning also still 130 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: located at Peterson Road. Correct? And why was that significant? 131 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: I guess that on April twenty first the device was 132 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: at Peterson Road when typically it would be at the 133 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: Flying w. There were just comments made to the investigative 134 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: team about the family was all together that night and 135 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: we didn't know if that was common for them to 136 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: all be together at Peterson Road, and then again through 137 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: kind of the end at April. Do you see that 138 00:08:55,520 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: same pattern continuing as far as the Peterson Road address. Yes, 139 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: so then from that point forward you see a shift 140 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: in the device's behavior that now the typical last serving 141 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: cell site and first serving cell site the next morning 142 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: are in the Peterson Road area. And the other thing 143 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: they were able to show is that leading up to 144 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: the murders that Billy up until then, his phone at 145 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: night when he would go to bed was at the 146 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: Flying W. After the murders, for at least a month 147 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: and a half, except for the times they went to Alaska, 148 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: it was at Peterson Road. So that was a major 149 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,599 Speaker 1: alteration in his behavior. On the day after the murders. 150 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: Here's Stephanie and Jeff And by the way, this is 151 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: the very very first time I've personally ever heard that 152 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: Billy Wagner accused father that he wasn't sleeping home. And 153 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: while this evidence doesn't necessarily tie George Wagner directly to 154 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: the murders. It does support prosecution's argument that the Wagoners 155 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: were in contact and were physically together the night of 156 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: the murders. It's fascinating now that we can better understand 157 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: the comings and goings of everyone based on their cell phones, 158 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: and it's always interesting to see behind the curtain a 159 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: little bit about an investigation, cell towers, information regarding where 160 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: their cell phones were. It kind of becomes this map, 161 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: and in many cases that's extremely meaningful. I will say 162 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: in this case, again, we're not seeing too too much 163 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: yet about George, but it is certainly interesting to see 164 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: where everybody else was and who they had been calling. 165 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: In those final days, people were frustrated with law enforcements, 166 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: timeline of how long it took to make arrests, or 167 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: how the public felt like they didn't know what was 168 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: going on. But I think this kind of police work 169 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: just proves that, like you said, behind the curtain, there 170 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: was a lot of investigative work happening that really helps 171 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: not just getting arrest, but hopefully commiction. What's your inclination? 172 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: Does that mean that Billy Wagner, Accu's father was calling 173 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: victim father Chris Rodin to see if he was home 174 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: at that hour, and doing sort of a scout to 175 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: just see if typically he's home between those certain hours. 176 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: I think it probably points to Billy Wagner knowing that 177 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: every cell phone call is tracked or could be tracked, 178 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: and he is planting some seed or trying to lay 179 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: some sort of what will eventually be his defense. Good point. 180 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: It should also be important to note Steph that while 181 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: the cell phone data helps give an idea of Billy 182 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: Wagner's location and habits before and after the murders, it 183 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: doesn't actually detail what was said during these phone calls. 184 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 1: More importantly, it doesn't specify how the Wagners allegedly coordinated 185 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: the killings. All of that is about to change with 186 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: the next witness called by the prosecution, Julia Evslidge, a 187 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: BCI agent who analyzed the search history, images and text 188 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: messages on Angela Wagner's phone. Bciyes, Julia Everslade says, Angela Wagner, 189 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: your cell phone activity showed several disturbing entries. Here's forensic 190 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: medical examiner Joseph Scott Morgan. Digital data plays such a 191 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: huge role in all of these cases. You begin to 192 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: see this little what I refer to as electrone breadcrumbs 193 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: as to their activity. Agent Eversledge wears a purple blazer 194 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: and white shirt. She has dirty blonde hair that falls 195 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: to her shoulders. On the stand she speaks in a 196 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: very matter of fact manner about the Google searches of 197 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: Angelo Wagner. So the bottom line here is a Google 198 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: search for Alaska houses for sale and what I believed 199 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: to be in Seward, which is a city or a 200 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: town in Alaska, a visit of a website Seward real Estate, Inc. 201 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: And a second visit of that. Just a minute later, 202 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: Prosecutor Kinnepa and Agent Everslidge walk through the various searches. 203 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: There are many about houses for sale in Alaska, living 204 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: in Alaska, jobs in Alaska, both before and after the murders. 205 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: Here again, Joseph Scott Morgan. You know, we all go 206 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: into a trial with a presumption of innocence in our system. However, 207 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: when the prosecution is presenting this case to the jury, 208 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: you have to draw upon the common sense of the 209 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: jury and say it, isn't it interesting you know that 210 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: this individual might be searching out things like you know, 211 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: the nature of what it's like to live in Alaska, 212 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: or you know, are their jobs available, for instance in Alaska. 213 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: But Angela Adne wasn't only googling about Alaska. The Google 214 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: search is symptoms of sexual Penetration in a Toddler and 215 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: that took place on January eighteenth, twenty sixteen. And then 216 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: the final line up at the top is Trauma Responses 217 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: in Children, a website that was visited here again, James Pilcher. 218 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: You know, the other thing that came up from Angela's 219 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: phone is that she had been searching for several months 220 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: previously on signs of sexual abuse and a toddler. We 221 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: know that they will later accuse the Rodents of or 222 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: somebody in the Rodent family of abusing Jick's daughter. But 223 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: one key thing that on Angela's phone which kind of 224 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: got me to thinking about this paranoia about sexual abuse 225 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: and rape. She looked up rape culture in Alaska. Now, 226 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: if you're moving to a place, is that one thing 227 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: you would look up? Is that something you would google? 228 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: Is there rape culture up there? So obviously it's front 229 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: of mind in this family for her. We're going to 230 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: take a break. We'll be back in a moment. The 231 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: prosecution and agent Epislidge turned to Angela Wagner's searches in March, 232 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: just one month before the murders. There are first searches 233 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: on Facebook for Hannah May Rodin photos, an attempt to 234 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: look at the friends of Hannah Rodin's on her Facebook, 235 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: and then another search on the same friends list of 236 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: Hannah Rodin. On March thirteenth, twenty sixteen, Agent Evsledge reads 237 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: Angela's search historyous days after the murders. These were searches 238 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: pertaining to the homicides themselves. On April twenty seventh, there 239 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: was a Facebook search Rodin Family massacre, the reading of 240 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: comments from the search as well as Rodin Family shootings, 241 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: and then reading of two articles pertaining to the homicides 242 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: from the Enquirer. When you've got a person that is 243 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: essentially the matriarch of the family and who many people 244 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: have pointed to is kind of the brains behind the operation. 245 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: And when you begin to see the searches that Angela 246 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: was engaged in, when you marry that up with the 247 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: physical evidence that you have and you see how of 248 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: that plays at out, then I think by extension, you 249 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: begin to compare these things. You know, look, you can 250 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: search anythink you want to on your phone. It doesn't 251 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: necessarily mean that you're guilty. The defense points out that 252 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: Angela's search history doesn't prove that she acted on the information. However, 253 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: the text between Angela and her husband, Billy Wagner do 254 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: shine a light in their dynamic. Evislitch begins to read 255 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: text messages aloud that were sent between Angela and Billy Wagner. Angela, 256 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: I still love you, but I would like to spend 257 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: some time with you, just you, not all of all 258 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: our problems. Billy. That's not going to happen, and it's 259 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: only going to get worse. Shit just starting, Angela, What 260 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: are you talking about. I'm trying to understand, Billy. I 261 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: am preparing my head for disaster. Angela, for what your 262 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: dad or Jake? Billy? Just everything has turned to shit 263 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: all Angela. Yes, I agree with you. Can I help 264 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: you in any way? Billy? Bullet to the head would 265 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: fix me right up. She reads a text exchange four 266 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: months before the murders, this one about Hannah Rodin Angela. 267 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: All hell is happening here with Hannah and Angela. She 268 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: is trying to keep Jake from getting her tomorrow Billy, 269 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: did you get her yet? Billy, you can run away 270 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: with me, Angela. I promise, if it weren't for I 271 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: would be gone. Billy. Anytime you want, Billy, you just 272 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: say the word and me, you and babies will be 273 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: off on the big adventure. Billy, just give me a 274 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: sign and I will come running. James Pilcher. There were 275 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: several between Billy and Angela that showed very, very tumultuous 276 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: nature of the relationship. You know. Billy even said, I 277 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: wish I could take you away. She said, yeah, if 278 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: it weren't for the kids and the grandkids, I would 279 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: go with you. But I'm with them. More messages about 280 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: Billy and Angela Wagner running away together sent three months 281 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: before or the murders. Billy, I am moving on. You 282 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: are more than welcome to come bring babies and come on. Angela. Well, 283 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: they are not our babies. And I would never do 284 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: that to George and Jake. I would have killed someone 285 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: if they would have even mentioned going away with my babies. 286 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: And if you really missed me, you would do anything 287 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: or go through anything for me. Here's Jeff and Joseph 288 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. Again, it's interesting because I don't think any 289 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: of her texts are Google searches totally point to George's guilt, certainly, 290 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: but they do paint a picture of maybe the dynamics 291 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: of the family. The way I've kind of come to 292 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: view this case in context to everything is that Angela 293 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: is essentially the hub of the wagon wheel. Okay, and 294 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: everybody else that is involved in this, whether it was 295 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: Jake or Billy or George who's currently on trial, their extensions, 296 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: they're like spoke and all of this. She's the hub 297 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: that everything else radiates out from. And when you begin 298 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: to take all of that into consideration, it does paint 299 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: this picture of the world that these people existed in. 300 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: They live in this world that's dominated by Angela. Prosecutor Knepa, 301 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: and Agent Everslidge walk through text messages set nearly two 302 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: months before the murders. Billy, it's a fine mess Angela. Well, 303 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: maybe it is worth you helping me work it out. 304 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: As the date of the massacre draws near, a particularly 305 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: disturbing message, Billy, I got a plan if you just 306 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: take one damn minute and listen, Angela. Okay, tell me, 307 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: Billy when I see you. This is the last time 308 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: I am going to try. If the three of you 309 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: don't take time to listen to me, then oh well, Angela, okay, Stephanie. 310 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: And at that time, remember Billy Wagner's father was dying. 311 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: There was a husty to dispute heating up between the 312 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: Wagners and the Rodents. So when he's talking about things being, 313 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: you know, really bad, perhaps that's what he was talking about, 314 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: not necessarily anything to do with murder. Knowing what we 315 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: know now, you can put a lens on anything the 316 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: Wagners did, whether it's something they googled, something they said 317 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: to each other, something they said, and writing where they went, 318 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: what they did, all of those things can be scrutinized 319 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: in a way that they couldn't before. Agent Evslich then 320 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: turns to text messages sent between Jake and Angela. These 321 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: were sent just one month before the murders. There was 322 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: a conversation of interest because it appeared to have been 323 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: discussing parts that were purchased. Jake okay, also at okay, 324 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: I'd done paid for it all, but I do not 325 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: need two three quarter ench stuff now. So see if 326 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: you can return, if you can reach it, Angela, I 327 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 1: will take care of it. Jake, Okay, it's a die 328 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: and two fittings that I do not need. Pick up 329 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: the other die and bit still need them? Angela, okay, 330 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: we'll do. Did you pay cash or put them on 331 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: your card? Jake cash? Angela okay. And when you say 332 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: that was of interest because it related to items that 333 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: have been purchased, what are you talking about, specifically items 334 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: that we believe we're used to build suppressors. There's information 335 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: openly available on the internet about parts required that can 336 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: be used to make suppressors tap and dies, for instance, 337 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: are parts that can be used, Drill bits that are 338 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: long can be used, and those are just components that 339 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 1: are used to build suppressors. When it comes to the 340 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: testimony of Julia Edislidge, she's kind of had access to 341 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: the beating heart of information. She has a unique insight 342 00:21:54,760 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: into this world that the Wagoners inhabited. Because you began 343 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: to think about, well, is it a matter of them 344 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: being able to talk about these things open and freely 345 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: or are they going to have to create coded language 346 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: in order to do this? In order to get messages 347 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: through to one another, Evslitch reads another text message with 348 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: what appears to be coded language. George Wagner continues to 349 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: stare at his feed. Jake ps, look in the cabinet 350 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: at the bottom of stairs, not finished yet and need 351 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: one more. Angela, are there pink bunnies there? Jake? One 352 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: is Angela? What about sprinkles? Jake ain't got them yet. 353 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: They are coming in mail and at Okay. Next Friday, 354 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: Prosecutor Kanepa asked the agents why she thought the words 355 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: quote sprinkles and quote pink bunnies were coded language. Well, first, 356 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: there was a mention of and okay, which in the 357 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: prior messages there were parts to be picked up or 358 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: exchanged at okay, which I interpreted to be okay. Auto 359 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: parts were known purchases that we identified later from various 360 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 1: autopart stores, and as well as the conversation the pink bunnies, 361 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: that was right on the heels of the discussion about 362 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: the various parts regarding what you testified too could be 363 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: used to make silencers correct, Yes, okay. If you have 364 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: an awareness where you feel as though you're going to 365 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: have to speak in coded language, why in the world 366 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: would you even offer up any conversation at all. As 367 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: it turned out, you know, they were able to pick 368 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: up a multiplicity of communications that were going on, and 369 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: you began to see this a little trail of electronic 370 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: breadcrumbs that have been created. Here again, Stephanie and Jeff, 371 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot made of Billy and Angela Wagner using 372 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: code words when they're talking about sprinkles in pink bunnies. 373 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: And I don't know, that might be a little bit 374 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,239 Speaker 1: of a leap if you know, we're all working on 375 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: the assumption that these are code words that could very 376 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: well be But those code words could be for anything, 377 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: you know, as mentioned, it could be for auto parts, 378 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: it could be for drugs. It could also be for 379 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: ingredients to make a cake. Yeah. Stuff. I mean, this 380 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: is very circumstantial evidence, if it's even considered evidence at all, 381 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: and it certainly doesn't point to George Wagner being guilty 382 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: of murder. Local news jumps on this finding of quoted 383 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: language text messages between Angela and Jake, which include pink 384 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: bunnies and sprinkles nothing to do with cartoons or ice cream. 385 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: The prosecution says they are code words for firearm accessories 386 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: that Jake ordered. Now, today's testimony also took jurors to 387 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: Montana's border with Canada. That's where agents intercepted the Wagners, 388 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: who were driving back to the US from Alaska more 389 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: than a year before they ended up being arrested. Next, 390 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: the prosecution calls up Agent Ryan. He wears a gray 391 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: suit with a purple shirt and tie and was the 392 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: lead investigator in the Rodent family murders. The prosecution begins 393 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: by laying out the evidence collected thus far in the investigation. 394 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: So at this point, now you have collected ballistic evidence 395 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: that we heard Matt White also talk about that matched 396 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,479 Speaker 1: the shellcase scenes or cartridge casings that were fired at 397 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: both scenes two and three. And we have the shoeprint 398 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: evidence that has now been linked to the Wagner's via 399 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: the Walmart receipt and the image of Angela Wagner. We 400 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: had these forged custody documents, etc. So various pieces of 401 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: evidence that you have collected. Can you tell us then, 402 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: did this signify a change or a shift in the investigation? Yes, 403 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: it did. Scheider's calm demeanor reflects his years of experience 404 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: with the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation. On the stand, 405 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: he has serious and matter of fact. So at this 406 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: point they're suspects. The Wagners now have become suspects and 407 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: these crimes. But at this point is when you first 408 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: had both ballistic and other physical evidence tying into the card. Correct. 409 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: Before it was suspicion and things weren't adding up. Now 410 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: we have evidence, We have physical evidence that says that 411 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: somebody at that residence at two sixty Peterson Road, which 412 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: the only people that lived there were George Wagner, Jake 413 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: Wagner and Angela Wagner, possessed the firearm but killed five 414 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: people on Union Hill Road. Here again, investigative reporter James Pilcher, 415 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: that flicked the switch from them being people of interest 416 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: to being suspected. That was a pretty key mom made. 417 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: But with the Wagners in their sites, investigators had a problem. 418 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: When you have an investigation with multiple suspects, one of 419 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: the things you want to do is get a statement 420 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: from each one of those Well, the best way to 421 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: do that is to how it was separated. You don't 422 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: want them together when you talk to them because they 423 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: feed off of each other. So one of the things 424 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: we wanted to do is figure out how can we 425 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: get a statement from all four Wagoners at the same 426 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: time where they're away from each other, and can you 427 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: tell us what plan did you come up with in 428 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: order to effectuate that. Our plan was to intercept them 429 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: at the border of Canada and the United States when 430 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: they returned back from Alaska. Scheider testified that they made 431 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: preparations with their sister agency in North Dakota to intercept 432 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: and interview the Wagners at that entry point. Agents also 433 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: wanted to listen to the conversations the Wagoners were having 434 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: on their phones and wanted to plant a listening device 435 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: in the Wagner's vehicle. But to do this, they needed 436 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: a special warrant, the intercept warrant, so that you can 437 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: receive the intercept warrant through Ohio. So the warrant is 438 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: good for the county in which the crimes are committed. 439 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: The investigators needed intercept warrants for both Ohio and North 440 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: Dakota since that is where they would be installing the 441 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: listening devices. Here again, Jeff and Joseph Scott Morgan, can 442 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: you explain what an intercept warrant is? First off, in 443 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 1: order at the warrant, you have to be able to 444 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: go to a judge and have them sign off on 445 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: this because you know, we have certain protections, constitutional protections 446 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: that extend out to warrants that involve listening devices. So 447 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: you have to state specifically what you're going to be 448 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 1: listening to, and just think of it very simply like this. 449 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: It's intercepted communications between parties of interests that are involved 450 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: in a case. It's say, for instance, your suspect and 451 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: they've gotten an intercept warrant for your phone. Well, if 452 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: you're talking to another individual, that might be a principle 453 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: in the case that gathering of information might be permissible. 454 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: You can't just collect everything randomly. There has to be 455 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: a reason why this data is collected and to make 456 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: it viable for court. We're going to take a break. 457 00:28:54,320 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: We'll be back in a moment. With the intercept warrants 458 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,719 Speaker 1: for North Dakota and Ohio and place. Agents then traveled 459 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: to North Dakota a board an air Force plane their 460 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: plan to intercept the Wagners on May twentieth, twenty seventeen. 461 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: What happened when you arrived in North Dakota. We got 462 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: off the plane and then we were alerted by Customs 463 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: and Border Patrol HSI that we were in the wrong state. 464 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? As the Wagners had 465 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: exited Alaska to go into Canada, they had to declare 466 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: their bort of entry once they were trying to get 467 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: back into the United States, and at the point they 468 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: declared they were coming through sweet Grass, Montana. The agents 469 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: then boarded another plane and headed to Montana. So now 470 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: your timeline is shortened a little bit, and you are 471 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: now in a state that you did not make cooperations with. Correct. Correct, 472 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: and it's also on a weekend. Correct, Okay, So tell 473 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: me what you did. We scrambled, so kind of panicked 474 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: a little bit. Law enforcements scrambled to redo the applications 475 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: for the intercept warrants this time in Montana. We spent 476 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,479 Speaker 1: most of the night obtaining those warrants because we had 477 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: to write them. They had not been written yet. So 478 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: sometime around five am Sunday morning, Montana time, we were 479 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: alerted that the Wagoners were making better time than expected 480 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: and that they would be arriving at sweet Grass sooner 481 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: than we thought. So we had to rush up to 482 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: the border early that morning and await their arrival. Here again, 483 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: James Pilcher, the Wagners went to Alaska one way, they 484 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: crossed in North Dakota, so the investigators assumed they would 485 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: come back the same way. Well they didn't. They indicated 486 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: they were going to come back through Montana. So here 487 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: they had flown on a National Air Guard cargo plane 488 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: with all of their stuff, had everything set up at 489 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: the North Dakota border to intercept them, and then they 490 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: found out, well, they're going to be crossing in Montana 491 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: in twenty four hours. That to top the plane, get 492 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: on the phone with the Montana Attorney General's office, make 493 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: sure they had the permission for the warrants that they needed. 494 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: So they worked around the clock, NonStop, when no sleep, 495 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: and then stopped them at the Montana border in this tiny, 496 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: little US Border Patrol facility that didn't have really the 497 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: capability to interview for people separately, but that's what they did. 498 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: At this point, I'm getting the impression that they're not 499 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: just putting George Wagner on trial, they are showing the 500 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: entire Pike County community, the entire state, the entire country, 501 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: what they went through to get here. They left no 502 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: stone unturned, even if they admit during some of this 503 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: they made mistakes. Stephanie and Jeff I thought it was 504 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: so interesting to hear the play by play of how 505 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: authorities had to switch things up from North Dakota to 506 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: the Montana border, and you know, you can kind of 507 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,479 Speaker 1: picture this and see how this is unfolding and how 508 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: pectic it must have really been. And again, they've been 509 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: tracking them for a long time, So the idea that 510 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: they could have missed them and were able to adjust 511 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: and switch their plan up pretty quickly, I thought was powering. 512 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: I was frankly on the edge of my seat. And 513 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: it goes back to behind the scenes, law enforcement is 514 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: working in ways that the public is not aware of. 515 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: They were tracking this family and they were moving in 516 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: real time as the Wagners were moving to ultimately get 517 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: the goods. With the Montana intercept Warrens in hand, the 518 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: agents intercepted the Wagners at the border in Montana and 519 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: were they each placed in a separate room and interview 520 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: attempts made with each of us. Yes, the gig was help. 521 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: They knew we were looking at them. More on that 522 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: next time. For more information on the case and relevant photos, 523 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: follow us on Instagram at kat Underscore Studios. The Pikedon 524 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: Maskers produced by Stephanie Leidecker, Jeff Shane, Chris Cacaro, Andrew Arnow, 525 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: Gabriel Castillo and me Courtney Armstrong. Editing and sound designed 526 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: by Jeff Toi. Music by Jared Aston. The Pike Damasacar 527 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: is a production of iHeart Radio and Kati Studios. For 528 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, 529 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. 530 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: Please welcome Markite County Domed Festival. Queen Lord, I just 531 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: thank you for bringing us all together as a community. Okay, 532 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: all sad? There's fly all over the house. You could 533 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: have killed eight family members in one life. I lost 534 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: my best friends and I will never be the same 535 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: because of that day. Four crime stanes, no DNA, no witnesses. 536 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: The killer left today's children laying in their mother's blood. 537 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: The word that comes to mind is overkilled. Who was 538 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: the master mind, I'm telling you is a framer. I'm 539 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: not sitting in prison. One thing I learned, the smaller 540 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: the town, the bigger the sacreds. Be sure to watch 541 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: our upcoming documentary, The Pike County Murders of Family Massacre, 542 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: premiering on NBC Universal's Oxygen Network and also streaming on 543 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 1: Peacock this Thanksgiving Day weekend November twenty fourth and November 544 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: twenty fifth. Please check your local listings and our hearts 545 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: are with the Rodents and the Gilly families.