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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, It's Tuesday, September seventeenth, twenty twenty four. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the NFL Fantasy Football Show. When we're turning off

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Speaker 1: our notifications, it's me and your man, MG Marcus Grand

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Speaker 1: joined by Michael Florio and Lakwan Jones and fellas, let's

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Speaker 1: just dive into a big piece of news that hit

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Speaker 1: our timelines literally moments after we finished recording our Monday show.

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Speaker 1: We had just packed up and we're ready to head

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Speaker 1: off to our respective days, and the Panthers hit us

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Speaker 1: with a bombshell. They will not will not be starting

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young, the former number one overall pick, in Week three. Instead,

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Speaker 1: it will be Andy Dalton who gets to start for

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Speaker 1: Dave Canalys's team. So here we are not even three

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Speaker 1: weeks into Bryce Young's second season and the Panthers are

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Speaker 1: already making a change. It caught us all by surprise

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Speaker 1: when we heard this on Monday.

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Speaker 2: Morning, Florida.

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Speaker 1: Your initial reaction when you saw the Bryce Young news.

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Speaker 3: There is one player until Jonathan Brooks returns, there is

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Speaker 3: one player that I care about for the Carolina Panthers,

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Speaker 3: and it is Deontay Johnson. And it has gone as

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Speaker 3: poorly as it could have the first two games. So

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Speaker 3: to me, I think this could be a good thing.

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Speaker 3: I was my memory. I thought Andy Dalton played more

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Speaker 3: games last year than he did, but he only played

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Speaker 3: one game. But in that game, fourteen targets, eleven catches,

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Speaker 3: a buck forty five and a touchdown for Adam Thielen.

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Speaker 3: This is the best possible outcome if you have Deontay

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Speaker 3: Johnson right now.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean certainly that's the case. Lakwan anybody else?

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Speaker 1: I mean, could we try it again with Adam Thielen?

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Speaker 2: Could we? Old man?

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, is there any is it just the

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Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson Show? Can we even maybe buy back it?

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Speaker 1: Because I was saying we should drop Tchuba Hubbard? Can

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Speaker 1: we can we come back to the Chuba Hubbard?

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Speaker 4: Well, now, I don't know, man, Let's just see what

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Speaker 4: Andy gets in there. And do I mean the last

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Speaker 4: time he started, you know, was last season through the

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Speaker 4: ball fifty six times. So if there's going to be

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Speaker 4: that much, pass erry him and you're gonna get somewhey

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Speaker 4: like Deontay Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Why not Adam Deeling.

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Speaker 4: I'm back in on old man dealing. He usually does

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Speaker 4: well with Andy Dalton, So I'm here for it, man,

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Speaker 4: all right.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll find out because Andy Dalton has the best

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Speaker 1: passing game for the Panthers over the last couple of

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Speaker 1: seasons when he was starting at quarterback for them last year.

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Speaker 1: He will now start for them at quarterback this week

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Speaker 1: against the Raiders, so we will see what Dalton has

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Speaker 1: to offer, what this means for the pass catchers, and honestly,

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Speaker 1: the fact that I was really about to put the

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Speaker 1: Raiders in as a sleeper defense in my sleepers column

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Speaker 1: this week and now and have to maybe reevaluate that

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Speaker 2: We've got plenty of stuff though, to talk about on

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Speaker 2: this show. We got some realer mirage.

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Speaker 1: We got some deep dives in the waiver wire into

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Speaker 1: folks that we can say goodbye to as well. Let's

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Speaker 1: get started with some things that we saw in week two,

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Speaker 2: Two weeks of the season.

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Speaker 1: We'll decide whether or not these things can stick or

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Speaker 1: if maybe they're just sort of an early season hoax here.

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Speaker 1: So let's start Florida with the Saints offense, because I

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Speaker 2: Were all sort of meh about it.

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Speaker 1: We didn't have high expectations and yeah, sure we like

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Speaker 1: Chris o'lave, but that was kind of it. They have

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Speaker 1: been lights out through the first two weeks of the season.

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Speaker 1: Derek Carr has been on point Rashika, He's been a

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Speaker 1: big play guy. Alvin Kamara looks like the dude that

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Speaker 3: Real I'm buying in. I don't think they're going to

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Speaker 3: be the NFL's best offense, and they through two games,

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Speaker 3: they have not only been the NFL's best offense. The

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Speaker 3: reason I'm buying in is the new OC Clint Kubiak

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Speaker 3: use seventy two percent of their plays. They've ran motion

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Speaker 3: on eleventh highest in the NFL. Fifty percent of their

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Speaker 3: And the scary part is we really haven't seen Chris

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I I.

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Speaker 3: Lost to with Tongue Baila in the league and picked

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Speaker 2: I mean that's a wild thing that I mean, are

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Speaker 2: For now?

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna say, real, man, because he is playing out

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Speaker 4: started off, I mean, he finished the season last year

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Speaker 4: from last season going into this next man is amazing

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Speaker 4: to see. How you know, Rashishid is coming off popping

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Speaker 4: off the way he is as a deep threat. Like

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Speaker 4: Florio said, we yet to see Chrystal Love to really

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Speaker 4: that we know he can be. So I'm really buying

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Speaker 4: It is definitely real with Derek Carr playing out of

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I said last week on Fantasy Live that car was

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Speaker 1: and then he lit them up and I started looking right.

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Speaker 1: I'm going go back to the last four games of

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Speaker 1: In those six games, he's averaging about two hundred and

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Speaker 1: It's carried over into this year. So at some point,

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Speaker 1: Saying in the NFC South, Baker Mayfield's got enough to

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Speaker 1: a quick start last year. We thought maybe it was

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Speaker 1: the Dave Canalis effect. This year, maybe this is just

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go real with Baker man. And look, I

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Speaker 4: don't know what's in that flow to Walda, but he's

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Speaker 4: even with Aiden Hutchinson abusing him yesterday, like he still

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Speaker 4: some big plays and extend the plays. Like Baker's playing

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Speaker 4: some high level football right now, and like heading into

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Speaker 4: Monday night, he's a top five fantasy quarterback right now.

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Speaker 4: Like this is crazy to think about, like are we

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Speaker 4: like him playing at this level. Hopefully everybody stays healthy

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Speaker 2: Is Baker QB one now in Florio? I think so?

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Speaker 3: Or in the running at least, Like I think what

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Speaker 3: But towards the end of last season he was someone

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Speaker 3: He's come out and look, it's not it's two things.

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Speaker 3: Numbers he's putting up as a passer and the fact

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Speaker 3: that the Bucks continue to be like Rashade White can't

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Speaker 3: We've seen Baker run a little bit more. He ran

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Speaker 2: And what I like is look at his schedule.

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Speaker 3: He gets the Broncos next week, then he gets the Eagles,

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Speaker 3: both of those games are at home, then indoor games

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Speaker 3: I think Baker and Derek Carr are two guys that

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Speaker 2: To start the year. And if you don't love your.

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Speaker 3: Quarterback play so far, you could just easily plug in

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Speaker 2: With right now. Yeah, man, Baker's staying hot. Man, I

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Speaker 1: I'm starting to think that maybe this is going to

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Speaker 3: Real because one like They've played two pretty good defenses

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Speaker 3: so far in the Bengals and Seahawks, and Maddison has Stevenson,

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Speaker 3: had the five targets yesterday. That the volume is great

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Speaker 3: even with Antonio Gibson getting involved at such a high rate.

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Speaker 3: next week. I think the volume alone keeps him in

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Speaker 3: play this way where they're they're gritty on defense to

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Speaker 3: gonna want Stevenson every week.

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Speaker 1: I think Lakwan should we be worried about Antonio Gibson

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Speaker 4: man he's had over twenty rushing attempts him back to

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Speaker 4: So Alex van Pelp is going to be leaning on

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Speaker 4: so it's like he hasn't really seen this type of

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Speaker 4: So you know, fifty one touches after two games, which

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Speaker 4: in his entire career. So I'm gonna be righting this

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Speaker 4: train as well, Like he's a start for me until

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Speaker 4: we see the touches go down and Gibson starts, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw Gibson put a big numbers when you

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Speaker 4: Five yards are on Then he had man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he had a one one big play and that

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Speaker 1: Alec Pierce had another touchdown this week.

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Speaker 2: Real or mirage for him, lakwan.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go mirage only because it's still early in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm I'm I was a year early

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Speaker 4: Bye bye to Ezekiel Elliott Man. I am done with

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Speaker 2: later on in the week.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we will have more shows for you as

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, though.

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