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Speaker 1: There's not much there with Tampa. This thing. If Tampa

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Speaker 1: have been over. Started the second quarter. Philadelphia was not

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Speaker 1: even competitive. And you know I was thinking about this

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Speaker 1: is that we all know that even competent NFL coaches.

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Speaker 1: Dan Quinn for Atlanta was a competent coach, not great,

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Speaker 1: but competent. He was elevated significantly by Kyle Shanahan. That

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Speaker 1: They they reached their highest form of head coaching with

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Speaker 1: the table. I mean Sean McVay, Shanahan. They just run

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Speaker 1: through assistants and coordinators. They're elite coaches. It doesn't affect him.

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Speaker 1: And then the B coaches Dan Quinn are clearly elevated

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Speaker 1: by an elite coordinator. But Nick Siriani's not an A

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Speaker 1: And if you take Shane Steikin's play calling, not Shane

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Speaker 1: steiken just being in the building, just his play calling

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Speaker 1: away from Nick Sirianni, you have a coach that had

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Speaker 1: the most embarrassing opening press conference ever, who struggled in

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Speaker 1: year one when he called the plays, and here in

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Speaker 1: his final year the team got progressively worse. Like Brandon Staley,

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Speaker 1: bad every week. Brandon Staley, good job of climbing the

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Speaker 1: coaching ladder. He wasn't ready to be a head coach

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Speaker 1: in the National Football League. Nick Sirianni's not. I remember

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Speaker 1: when he first got the job. You know, I said,

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Speaker 1: was just asking some questions about recruiting and personnel and blah,

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Speaker 1: do you think? And on Sirianni, two of my executive

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's ready for the Philadelphia Eagles. It's

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Speaker 1: And so then he butchers the press conference, and I'm like, oh, Jesus,

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Speaker 1: google it. I've never seen anything like it. Go look

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Speaker 1: at Sean mcvay's opening press conference, Kyle Shanahan's, Go look

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Speaker 1: I don't think my problem with Brandon and Staley is

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Speaker 1: What are the Chargers do well? You went from narrow

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Speaker 1: he's seeing something or hearing something. And he was right.

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Speaker 1: The coaching disparities in these playoffs, man, I know it

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. I mean Jalen Hurts, justin Herbert. We know

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Speaker 1: they're talented. We've seen it wrong, coach, we know the quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: coaching can puncture quarterback momentum, I give you the Chargers

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Speaker 1: and the Eagles, and this isn't all about Philadelphia. Baker

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Speaker 1: really do think that I'm rooting against Baker Mayfield. I

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Speaker 1: I when I start looking at franchise quarterbacks, there's different

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Speaker 1: levels to them. Baker Mayfield with a chip on his

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Speaker 1: a year, twenty four. You can do worse than Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I he throws a good football. I think

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Speaker 1: But the Cleveland situation was tough for Baker again, Hugh Jackson,

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Speaker 1: that wasn't chaos. I think. I think Cleveland for Baker

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Speaker 1: I don't look at Tampa as dysfunctional or chaotic. They've

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Speaker 1: been an interesting franchise. They can never get the quarterback right.

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Speaker 1: So Brady, they got the quarterback right. Baker wins a

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Speaker 1: you know, I thought tonight, I thought Baker played really well.

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Speaker 1: So Baker's numbers would have been far better, far more

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Speaker 1: the football. And so, you know, fit is so essential

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Speaker 1: I really am. I really am. I think I think

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Speaker 1: faster they grow. I think Tampa and Baker work. You

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Speaker 1: Mobsters used to hide in Tampa, Kansas City and Tampa.

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Speaker 1: A lot of dead mobsters down in Tampa. All right.

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Speaker 1: Don't make them like that. So it's I think Buffalo,

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Speaker 2: to keep rolling with Mitch Trubisky over Mason Rudolph. Right,

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Speaker 2: So I mean, I remember being a kid Neil O'Donnell

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Speaker 2: they were in the super Bowl with like this. That's

422
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Speaker 2: not Elway, Marino or Steve Young or Aikman. So yeah,

423
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Speaker 2: I'm with you. I don't see much changing next year.

424
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Speaker 2: Their organization is so well run like the Packers with

425
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Speaker 2: all the other positions, that they're never going to have

426
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Speaker 2: a six win season. So this notion saying that Tomlin

427
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Speaker 2: never losess, well, most good coaches would be competitive with

428
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Speaker 2: their roster. I mean they're missing star players and they

429
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 2: still got studs everywhere. So yeah, I think that's a

430
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Speaker 2: little overblown. I think it's time for a change now.

431
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Speaker 2: Will they do that obviously highly unlikely, But there have

432
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Speaker 2: been some rumblings out there that maybe we've come to

433
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Speaker 2: a fork in the road and that they've had some

434
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 2: management turnover. The longtime GM is gone, they got some

435
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 2: new people running the organization. I think these next couple

436
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Speaker 2: days it'll be interesting if a story pops out of

437
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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh that maybe they're both looking at each other. Maybe

438
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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin, you go, I don't want to coach these quarterbacks.

439
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Speaker 2: Go somewhere else where you get better infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: Dave Wanstat once told me that the Steelers were always

441
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Speaker 1: a little reluctant to draft pit players University of Pittsburgh

442
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Speaker 1: players because if they had to let go of the

443
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: player or cut them, it wouldn't play well in the community.

444
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: And the Runies are so community based. And so if

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Speaker 1: I'm Mike Tomlin, do I consider saying I got a

446
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: ring here? Right? Like, I've done my job. I know

447
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: this organization three more years of Kenny Pickett, They're not

448
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: moving off him. I'm best served going to the market

449
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Speaker 1: doing Fox TV or CBS for a year. I mean,

450
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Speaker 1: both those companies would hire him overnight. NBC, I mean Mike.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't say with any certainty, but I

452
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Speaker 1: can tell you Fox, CBS you a heartbeat, are guys

453
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Speaker 1: and no inside information. We have smart executives. You'd absolutely

454
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Speaker 1: call Mike Tomlin tomorrow, fly him out and say let's talk.

455
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Speaker 1: So my takeaway is it's not an indictment of Mike.

456
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Speaker 1: It's a smart business pursuit. Let's do TV for a year,

457
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: show everybody like Sean Payton. Hey, when I come back

458
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: in ten years, you'll want to hire me really good

459
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: at this stuff, and then wait for a really good

460
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Speaker 1: young quarterback to hit in this draft and then go

461
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Speaker 1: somewhere and win again. I don't think it's an indictment

462
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Speaker 1: if after ten years you're looking around going I kind

463
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Speaker 1: of think I can't win with this quarterback, and my

464
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: organization's not bailing on this quarterback. I mean, the Roonies

465
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Speaker 1: would push back on that.

466
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Speaker 2: But don't you think there would be teams? You know,

467
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Speaker 2: not everyone's gonna land harbor on Belichick. So the Washington

468
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 2: football team Commanders, whatever the hell their name is, Atlanta Falcons,

469
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: Belichick's on his yacht. Well, if the cowboy job becomes available,

470
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: the Atlanta Falcons are not getting Bill Belichick, so they'd

471
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Speaker 2: be all over him. He's from you know, that area,

472
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Speaker 2: the Eastern Seaboard. I think Mike Tomlin would have to

473
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Speaker 2: turn people down right the different Sean Payton quit right

474
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Speaker 2: to me. Mike Tomlin, Now we'll see where his head's at.

475
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Speaker 2: I think could immediately garner fifteen plus million dollars a

476
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Speaker 2: year for a team that just wants some relevance and

477
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Speaker 2: some important I think you'll just get the train of

478
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Speaker 2: think about Washington at the number two pick in the draft.

479
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Speaker 2: I've known Adam Peters for a long time. He kind

480
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 2: of knows what he's doing. I mean, that's that seems

481
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Speaker 2: like a pretty good spot.

482
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Speaker 1: Well, and also there's this thing in the media that

483
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Speaker 1: if you, if you suggest what we're suggesting, your anti Tomlin.

484
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: No that this is by the way, Pete Carroll fired

485
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Speaker 1: three times, Belichick now fired, basically fired twice, Andy Reid fired.

486
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: The reality is what Mike provides culture and toughness. The

487
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: Steelers have that coming out of their ears. I agree,

488
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Speaker 1: And I was talking to a GM today, how many

489
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Speaker 1: great cultures because a coach sets the culture, and then

490
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Speaker 1: the GM follows suit becomes the mason lays the bricks. Right,

491
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: you create the identity as a coach, the GM follows you.

492
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Speaker 1: How many great cultures are they in the NFL? San Francisco, Baltimore, Pittsburgh,

493
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Speaker 1: Green Bay, Los Angeles, Rams, Chiefs, Philip Chiefs, and I

494
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Speaker 1: can name about four. There's about eight nine. One of

495
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: those is Mike Tomlin. So what it means is there's

496
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Speaker 1: about twenty teams twenty two that don't have it. That's

497
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Speaker 1: Mike's specialty, toughness, alpha dog culture. Twenty teams need Mike Tomlin.

498
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: So when people get defensive about Tomlin, it's like nobody

499
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: is safe. By the way, Sean Payton and I had dinner,

500
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: he knew it's just time I've been here, breeze is leaving,

501
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: It's just time to take a deep breath. So I'd

502
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: love to see Tomlin in Dallas. Oh, I love it.

503
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll was running out of town after back to

504
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: back nine win seasons of trading the best player in

505
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: franchise history. Right, So it's like this is a unique industry.

506
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: You know you can be successful. Rattle off nine and

507
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: ten wins like Mike is and go, where are we

508
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: really going with this? Even if we have to take

509
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 2: a step back to take a step forward, And sometimes

510
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: you know, coaches have talked about this forever, your message

511
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 2: eventually kind of runs runs this course. And that's where

512
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: I think Pittsburgh is at. And they've done the same

513
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: thing now. It feels like for five straight years they've

514
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 2: looked the same when the season ended. It's not a failure.

515
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: Most of the league would sign up for that, but

516
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh, I would say they desire.

517
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: A little more. Here's the outther thing that Tomlin is

518
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: so good at. Just throw Dallas out. He's great in

519
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: front of the mic, and a cowboy coach is in

520
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: front of the mic. He is very capable of dealing

521
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: with drama. Le'van bell ab He's more than capable of drama.

522
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: Big Ben created some drama Pickens, I mean they got pickenss.

523
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: So he can handle the mic. He'd be great. Jerry

524
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: would say something you know that you have to dig

525
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: out from under. Nobody'd be better than Mike. He's the

526
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: best guy in front of the mic in the league,

527
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: has been for several years. He's just great at the podium.

528
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: He can handle drama. The Cowboys always have it, and

529
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Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say in some big games

530
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: this year Niners Buffalo, Green Bay, the Cowboys lack toughness.

531
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Speaker 1: They really lacked. I mean there were times Micah disappeared.

532
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: The fact that this game was really relatively close today

533
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: speaks volumes of the without TJ. Watt and with Mason

534
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: Rudolph tells you toughness. That was a brutal environment. I

535
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: thought they were when they scored that touchdown, I was like,

536
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: how did they get within seven? How did this happen?

537
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: Colin? My first thought, you know, halfway through the first quarter,

538
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: was like, well a fifty to ten game is still

539
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: better than no game. So I'm glad football is on.

540
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: But my theory and I was thinking about it this

541
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 2: morning at the gym. Jerry just an all time great marketer,

542
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: do you think because even if he needed to sleep

543
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: on it, the decision he has to have already made.

544
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: But you don't want to fire your coach on a

545
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: day where there are two games, even though it would

546
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: be a huge story. Gets a loss a little in translation,

547
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: easier to pull the trigger Tuesday morning or Wednesday, when

548
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: you kind of get the day to just be the

549
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: whole headline, or do you think he's truly just kind

550
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: of pacing back and forth in his office thinking about it,

551
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: because I don't really know what's to think about. After

552
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: I've had twenty four hours to think about that game,

553
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: it still is one of the crazier things I can

554
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: remember watching.

555
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know, Jerry, he may do it

556
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: after next weekend would feel maybe more appropriate. There's no

557
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: hurry to name it over the next ten days, right,

558
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: like they're really is.

559
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: You can't just hire Belichick Wednesday because of the new rules,

560
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, you're not competing against other people to hire

561
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: him by Thursday. This is college football.

562
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Speaker 1: And basically I don't know. Tomlin would be way up

563
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: at the top of my list. Rabel and Tomlin for

564
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: the Cowboys would kind of a no nub because there's

565
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: a lot of nonsense with Dallas. Tomlin and Vrabel are

566
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: no nonsense. Yeah, and I think they'd be really good fits.

567
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: So Mike Tomlin after the game was asked about his

568
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: contract and walked off. What does that mean to you?

569
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Speaker 2: Well, to me, we saw with Mike Vrabel, things have

570
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: gotten weird, right, Things were getting weird in Pittsburgh. There

571
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: have been rumblings that this has run its course. I've

572
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: been saying forever it's time. Mike Tomlin's no idiot. I

573
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: mean he knows Ben Roethlisberg Grant walking through that door.

574
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: Their quarterback situation is a disaster. You start feeling unappreciated.

575
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: That's part of Belichick's thing, like, hey, guys, you know

576
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: what I've done for you. Now The problem is like

577
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: part of football is like the future, not the past.

578
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: But once you start feeling like that as a coach,

579
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: big egos, These guys are super rich. I've been predicting

580
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: for a while. I think this thing's over and now

581
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: maybe Tomlin's a little hot, doesn't feel the respect coming

582
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: from the organization. Obviously, the fans are on him. I

583
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: mean the fans now in Pittsburgh have kind of been

584
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: on them for several years, several I think it's run

585
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: its course.

586
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: Calling. By the way, let's pivot to talk about that

587
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: game the Cowboys and Packers. Let's talk about it again.

588
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: Is that Did you see Matt Lafleur's reaction after the game.

589
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: It was really something. In Week eight, I think it

590
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: was at home against Minnesota, he was bad. There were

591
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: some fifty five completion percentage pre buy for Jordan Love,

592
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: so this idea that Packer fans, we're ahead of everybody

593
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: on this. He was bad. Lafleur was condemning him after

594
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: games and had to apologize like we were too hard

595
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: on him. Lafleur's reaction after this Dallas game was one

596
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: almost of disbelief, as if he was saying, I mean,

597
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: he's good at practice, but we don't see that. I

598
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: mean he was like that guy's and wow, rarely do

599
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: you see a coach act almost surprised by the performance,

600
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: and it is interesting. So he's obviously always had it

601
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: in him, right, He's obviously done this in moments. But

602
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of a player I've ever seen

603
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: in season that's improved like that. I can't remember anybody.

604
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: Well, this is why Josh Allen, after one of the

605
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: worst college careers statistically, who ever see gets drafted at seven.

606
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: This is why people will still take a chance on

607
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: justin fields. When you have physical in the sport of

608
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: football with a huge arm, and you're a good athlete,

609
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: you know coaches are gonna want to work with you.

610
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: And the overwhelming majority of them don't work. The other

611
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: thing with football coaches, this is not basketball or baseball.

612
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: You practice, you know, five times more than you play

613
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: during the week. Right, ray Lewis used to say, you

614
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: pay me Monday through Saturday. Sundays are for free. So

615
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: it's practice and study and it's you know, coaches get

616
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: very caught up in what it looks like in practice

617
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: because for the most part that translates to the game.

618
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: Then there are the outliers. Right Alan Iverson didn't even

619
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: show up to practice and then he can score forty

620
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: in a game. Bar Now that's not Yeah, this is

621
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying this guy is not trying or whatever

622
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: in practice, but you can't part of what Aaron Rodgers.

623
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Speaker 2: You had seen it so often in games you knew

624
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: what you had. When you have an unknown, especially he's

625
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: not front. It's not like he had played at se

626
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: Texas or Bama. So you'd seen him in the guys

627
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: playing at Utah State and they weren't even that successful

628
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: of a program his last year there. So there was

629
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: a lot of guessing, and rightfully, the contract told you

630
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: everything you needed to know. It's like, yeah, you're not

631
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: going to pick up the fifth year option, but will

632
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: give you eleven million dollars. I don't know if you

633
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: saw all the incentives. I mean it's hit like seven

634
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: million dollars in incentives.

635
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

636
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Speaker 2: Right, So it's been remarkable. But listen, the most powerful

637
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 2: thing you can have in football is the head coach

638
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: who's also the play caller, because when he can develop

639
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 2: that guy, no matter how much success your program has

640
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: Sean McVay, Kyle Shannan and Andy Reid, Sean Payton. Now Lafleur,

641
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: you can't hire that guy away. This is not college.

642
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: I can't pluck your head coach. So you have the

643
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: most valuable asset from your coaching staff. Who's always standing

644
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: next to Jordan Love going over is Matt Lafleur. I

645
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: think Matt Lafleur, not that I questioned him, but you

646
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: know it was kind of Listen, you inherited Rogers. As

647
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: you said, it's one of the great all time openings.

648
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: I mean, you got back to back MVPs. He kind

649
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 2: of met him in the middle. Remember, Aaron didn't do

650
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 2: the entire offense. He liked the shotgun stuff. Now they've

651
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 2: instituted this playbook, Jordan has no choice. But hey, I'll

652
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: do whatever you guys want me to do. The organization

653
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: great job around him, and the rest is history. Even

654
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 2: if they lose this game, coming up by seventeen points.

655
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: What a freaking season. I mean, what if I'm a Packer?

656
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: Can you imagine being a Bears fan or a Minnesota

657
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 2: Vikings fan. These teams run through quarterbacks constantly, and you

658
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 2: see the Packers do this because he made those throws

659
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: last night. Even if the game quote unquote's a little

660
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: easier to throw, as Brady would say, because you're not

661
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: getting lit up across the middle. That ability to throw

662
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: off your back foot and throw lasers thirty plus yards

663
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: on a string and hit guys over the shoulder with

664
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: the dB in front of him, only a small hand

665
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: like only a small handful of guys can't can do

666
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:32,959
Speaker 2: that well.

667
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: And I was I was watching that game. I was

668
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, this is another reason you gotta go

669
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: get Kayla Williams. If your Chicago, You've got three years

670
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: of Justin Fields, I've got one year of Jordan Love.

671
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: Think about Jordan Love's improvement week eight to now like

672
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: week nineteen, per se, it's a different It's like it's

673
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: like almost I said today, It's like a guy went

674
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: from missing the cut at the Valero Open to a

675
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: nine stroke lead at the Masters on Saturday, and like

676
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: eight weeks, you're like, what am I doing? Justin Fields,

677
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: I got three years. We've got these tiny incremental leaps.

678
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: Like usually star quarterbacks are either good initially CJ. Stroud

679
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: or they do a Josh Allen a Jordan Love. We're

680
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: over like a ten game Stretcher're like, whoa, whoa, whoa,

681
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: whoa whoa. There's the magic. And I think some of

682
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: it is building relationships with the young receivers. But I

683
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: as I watched that, I thought, Okay, Chicago fanboys, you

684
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: gotta go restart the clock because to beat Green Bay

685
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: going forward, you got to go and buy some players

686
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: because you don't draft offense like the Packers do. And

687
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: right now, Fields is not close to Jordan Love.

688
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: Well, imagine me and you were, you know, ran the

689
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: Chicago Bears front office, and we showed up to the

690
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: office this morning after not just watching Jordan Love, but

691
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: also saw Jared Goff, who's under contract next year for

692
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: twenty five million, who they clearly like, those two guys

693
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: are going nowhere, and those teams have a lot of talent,

694
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: So what can they both do? Throw from within the pocket?

695
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: Now Love can move, GoF can't, but GoF can really

696
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: throw from within the pocket. And they happen to have

697
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: the best offensive line who's all under contract. So I've

698
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: been saying this forever. Caleb Williams is going to be

699
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: their quarterback. There's no ifans or butts. I don't even

700
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: think it's a question internally, but obviously it's going to

701
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 2: be an internet conversation. I listen to Justin Fields go

702
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: for a second of fourth. It doesn't really matter. You're

703
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: drafting Caleb Williams number one, and now you know, a

704
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: couple hours ago he officially declared, which he always was

705
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: going to do. But Caleb Williams is going to be

706
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: a Bear unless him and his dad, you know, pulling

707
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: you know, Eli or John Elway. But even then, if

708
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 2: I'm the Chicago Bears, I'm just drafting him and we'll

709
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 2: figure it out.

710
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel the same way, So you know I

711
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: was I was thinking yesterday. I said this is that

712
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: there's not as many franchise quarterbacks as you think. Stroud

713
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: and Jordan Love are very significant because the AFC and

714
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: the NFC both get another young star quarterback. And I

715
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 1: counted seventeen. I did not count Geno Smith. I count

716
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: Derek Carr, I don't consider him top ten. Twelve. I

717
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: counted Kirk Cousins off an injury. I did count Aaron Rodgers,

718
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: though I don't think his career. I think he's got

719
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: about a year left behind that old line and he

720
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: may just wave the white flag. But it is remarkable.

721
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: I counted seventeen, maybe eighteen if you count Baker Mayfield,

722
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: who I give a contract to. We you know, if

723
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: the number's right, probably in the teens, as you noted,

724
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: But it's pretty remarkable. John. It's about fifty five percent

725
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: of the league has a franchise quarterback, and it leads

726
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: me to believe I thought about this due to the

727
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: injuries and the scarcity of them. Could I make an

728
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: argument unless you have a young one who's healthy, like

729
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: at Buffalo, you could draft a quarterback every single year.

730
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: Every now obviously some year second round, some fifth. But

731
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 1: when you watch a brock pretty come out from Iowa

732
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: State and you're like, shit, I'm going to draft one

733
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: of these guys. It maybe the fifth, you know, Belichick

734
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: did it every other year. Garoppolo, Ryan Malley, he drafted

735
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: a lot.

736
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: Andy reidid it for years in Philadelphia.

737
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: And by the way, most won't hit. If one out

738
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: of four does you sell him on the market, Or

739
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: when your guy gets hurt for three games, you can

740
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: win one of them. But I thought watching this, I'm like,

741
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: I don't know who the quarterback. The league is so

742
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: quarterback centric if you don't draft one a year.

743
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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you. One thing I thought about this

744
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: morning was one I can't even imagine if Stafford could

745
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 2: get out of bed this morning, you know, would he

746
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 2: have been able to play if they had won that game.

747
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: But aren't they a team that if you told me

748
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 2: they traded up five spots in the first round and

749
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: drafted a guy in the teams and kind of tried

750
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: to pull the Mahomes Alex Smith and red shirted, who cares?

751
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: They drafted Stetson Bennett in the fourth round. Hell, he

752
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: wasn't even around this season. Like it's just whatever, move on, yeah, right.

753
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: I treat it like the forty nine ers with Trey Lance.

754
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: Look at they're a good example. Boom pivot, get more

755
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 2: guys in go sign see Donold's brock Purty just keep

756
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: turning that bad boy. And even if you have a

757
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 2: high priced guy. Look look at the the Detroit Lions.

758
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 2: They drafted Hendon Hooker last year off in ACL He's

759
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: the backup to Jared Goff. So I'm totally for that.

760
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: I think a lot of teams though in the twenties.

761
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: You know, we'll see Pittsburgh, but we talked so much

762
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: about Seattle and we'll have to see who their new

763
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: head coaches. But aren't the Rams a team that you

764
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: just watch Stafford? You go how many more years is

765
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: he gonna And he was remarkable last year? But is

766
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: his body gonna hold up? I mean he's a thirty

767
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: five year old. That body has to feel like he's

768
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: fifty six, you know, like Roethlisberger at the end, you're like, god,

769
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: he's just he's been through the war. You know. That's

770
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 2: what Stafford feels to me. The Rams are a team.

771
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: They have other needs, but you have to look and

772
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: go at any moment, this guy does not feel like

773
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: he's just walking off in the sunset. The way he's

774
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: played over his fourteen fifteen years.

775
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 1: This is my gut feeling on that that they believe

776
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: with their draft picks and cap space, they're gonna go

777
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: buy an edge rusher they needed. Their gonna go get

778
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: another receiver, Cooper Cups aging, they want another back. They're

779
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: gonna go get a left tackle. If Havenstein moves uh,

780
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: they're gonna get a defensive end. My guess is they

781
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: may buy a tight end and an edge rusher. Higbe

782
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: may not be ready for the start of next year.

783
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: They like David Allen, the backup from Clemson's okay's a backup.

784
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: My take is they're gonna go one more year with

785
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford Wentz the backup. You could win games with wins.

786
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: They're actually they're very similar players. Arm little reckless played

787
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: in big games. Staffords a better player.

788
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: Obviously.

789
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna go one more year and then

790
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: the take is and they'll convince Aaron Donald to stay.

791
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: Then mcveay has been and it'll be a good team

792
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: next year. They'll be a very good team next year.

793
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: Agree Because Kobe Turner, uh uh Avilla, the inturior young,

794
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: the rush end, Pooka. They hit on like four or

795
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: five draft picks. It's a good scouting department. McVeigh. I

796
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: think they'll go to the market. I think they'll just say, listen,

797
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: there's four quarterbacks available in the market. Wouldn't you choose McVeigh.

798
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so might might takes how the Niners got Sam

799
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: Darnold for two million dollars, right, so you wanted to

800
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: come there to rest.

801
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna run Matt back. They're going to

802
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: try to embolden the offensive line, which, by the way, if.

803
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 2: I'm not saying getting rid of Stafford, I'm saying almost

804
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: do a Mahomes Alex Smith have a guy around him,

805
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 2: but you'd have to use a high pick probably to

806
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: get a guy you like.

807
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're gonna run it back. I think

808
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: they think they can be a super Bowl team next year.

809
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: I think they were. They knew in the building their

810
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: defense is young, needs another year, and they have about

811
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: four holes to fill, and the scouting department they trust.

812
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: They have their first, second, third, fourth, fifth, six. So

813
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: but I do think the advantage to having an offensive

814
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: coach is as your quarterback ages, they age a little

815
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: more elegantly, not inelegantly like being Big Ben. And the

816
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: second thing is when the market has free agent quarterbacks,

817
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: they look to you. They I mean, I mean, hell

818
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: elway didn't. Elway was a front office guy, and he

819
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: recruited Peyton Manning. Peyton trusted Elwaye's brain power in the

820
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: building to go to Denver.

821
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: I think mcveigh's comment after the game, too, is pretty powerful,

822
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: essentially saying like these guys made me fall in love

823
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: with football again because he clearly almost tapped out and

824
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: had enough of it last year, and now he has

825
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: this young team where you're kind of bullish on the future.

826
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: It's almost like a college coach that's a little older

827
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: sugnds like a four year deal, like, guys, I'm not

828
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: going anywhere. And he kind of I thought was pretty

829
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 2: open and honest with that comment of like I'm here,

830
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: like we got a chance to be pretty good in

831
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: the next several years. I mean, Puka, what he did

832
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: last night in all season, I don't think it's you

833
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: can overstate. I mean, that's one of the greatest. You know,

834
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: Randy Moss was sexier looking the way he played, but

835
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 2: it's his impact. I mean, that guy's an unstoppable force.

836
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: And it's not like you beg well he's the number two. Well, no,

837
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 2: he was way better than Cooper cup given how he's

838
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: not the same player right now based off the injuries.

839
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: So when you're going into a game, you're trying to

840
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 2: take Puka in the cool you know where Matt Stafford's

841
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: looking and that no one can cover him. I don't

842
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: care if you the Lions, DBS or Good DBS. That

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Speaker 2: guy is getting seven to ten catches every single game.

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Speaker 2: He is what a draft pick, that's that's remarkable.

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Speaker 1: Had they not taken it was funny after the draft

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Speaker 1: the next day, I said, I didn't love the Stets

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Speaker 1: and Bennett pick, but their second round pick aces, they're

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Speaker 1: two thirds aces their fifth. They got Allen and Puka Nakua.

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Speaker 1: They had a hell of a draft.

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Speaker 2: And I talked to you out of it too. You

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Speaker 2: loved him, and I thought they were gonna suck, and

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Speaker 2: they were, well, here's the thing, but that they were

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Speaker 2: damn good down the stretch.

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Speaker 1: Stafford and Aaron Donald, I argue, are still top five

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Speaker 1: in the league at their position, maybe top three. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think Stafford's that good easily, but Donald is so

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Speaker 1: perpetually triple team. Did you see multiple times Detroit trippled

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Speaker 1: him and he stopped rushing because his feeling was well,

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Speaker 1: I've done my job. I've taken three offensive linemen. You

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Speaker 1: guys go get him Is if they can keep talking.

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Speaker 1: I think he has two more great years, and I

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Speaker 1: think Stafford's got two more so I think I think

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Speaker 1: Cooper cup you could argue it's time to move off him.

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Speaker 1: Can you get a fifth round pick for him? But

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Speaker 1: or he could restructure his deal because they do have

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Speaker 1: some cap space.

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Speaker 2: The analytical community is always down on linebackers. They view

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Speaker 2: them like utility players, like in baseball. And I've always

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Speaker 2: pushed back on that, having lived through the Willis and

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Speaker 2: Bowman teams and now with Fred Warner with the Niners.

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Speaker 2: Ernest Jones fifty three, no one talks about him. He's

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Speaker 2: easily one of the best linebackers. He's definitely probably the

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Speaker 2: best blitzing linebacker. And Michael Lombardi has always said this,

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Speaker 2: when your middle linebacker is fast and impact player, your

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Speaker 2: whole defense plays like that. To me, he lifts their

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Speaker 2: level of play. Think about last year Bobby Wagner they signed,

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Speaker 2: he was old, not the same player. They pivoted off him,

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Speaker 2: they went, they built the defense now around Jones in

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Speaker 2: the middle. Look how much better their unit is and

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Speaker 2: they might get lucky. Rahie Morris should get a second chance,

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Speaker 2: but who knows, maybe defensive coaches, a lot of other

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Speaker 2: big name coaches on the market, they might be able

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Speaker 2: to just bring him back. You bring this coaching staff back.

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Speaker 2: McVeigh turned over that whole staff right, six seven new

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Speaker 2: guys like Ryan Windell their offensive line coach. How much

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Speaker 2: better was their offensive line this year than it has

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Speaker 2: been years past? And they have some good young players,

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Speaker 2: but just a remarkable job as an organization.

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, former NFL stout scout for the Eagles three

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Speaker 1: and Out podcast You See the Hat as always great

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Speaker 1: talking to you about see you con

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Speaker 2: The volume