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Speaker 2: There is such an importance to having strong, stable, local

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Speaker 2: So, you know, stabilizing those communities and then add on

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Speaker 2: And so we are here to support those farmers and

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Wesian Howse. I'm your host, Theo Henderson. This week,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the importance of civic activism and have

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Speaker 1: now Here's on House News. I will title this one.

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Speaker 1: No one talks about this reality anymore. The uptick of

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Speaker 1: aggressive sweeps targeting the un housed is not a new phenomenon. However,

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Speaker 1: the amount of targeted sweeps against the unhoused at the

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Speaker 1: direction of executive orders from California Governor Gavin Newsom and

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Speaker 1: President Trump has given inspiration to many other places. Currently,

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles is the center of an aggressive removal of

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Speaker 1: unhoused people. Last Monday, September twenty ninth, park rangers targeted

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Speaker 1: a long established unhoused community Arroyo Seco Parkway. Unhoused residents

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Speaker 1: have claimed that park rangers have been in menacing presence

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Speaker 1: of the unhoused perspective by mainstream media. Usually, complaints driven

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Speaker 1: by house residents sets in a series of motions by

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Speaker 1: the city leaders and law enforcement to swoop in and

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Speaker 1: cause more trauma to the unhoused until the next complaint

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Speaker 1: comes in. However, the residents at the Arroyo Seco Parkway

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Speaker 1: are trying to mobilize to protest against these sweeps. The

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Speaker 1: question I have is how can other unhoused community members

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Speaker 1: or all of Oregon. These are places that have already

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Speaker 1: started the houseless purge. I believe this topic needs to

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Speaker 1: be explored more, and Weei and Howe's will continue to

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Speaker 1: explore this in future episodes. And that's un Houses. When

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Speaker 1: we come back, we'll chat with activists and author Beth Green.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Weedian Howes. I'm THEO Henderson. If anyone's

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Speaker 1: life is an open book, it's Beth Green's. She's a

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Speaker 1: and she's here to tell us how to unlearned passivity

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Speaker 1: and take back control. Here's our talk. Here we are,

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Speaker 1: miss Beth Green. Can you tell us a little bit

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Speaker 3: Well, you knew I was thinking, because it's you're a

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Speaker 3: But they didn't try to stop me then, not then,

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Speaker 3: I never forgot it and I saw the iron fist

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Speaker 1: Well, that's well shocking, you know, for you to live

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Speaker 1: that life, and so we to progress on that. You

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Speaker 1: also have written books, have you? Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: The most current is a book called The Handbook for

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Speaker 3: the Inner Revolution, and that book is under one hundred pages.

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Speaker 3: Every book that I've written is on one of my websites,

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Speaker 3: Healing Artsnetwork dot org, and they're all free. And these

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Speaker 3: I've read Marx. I understood what he was saying about

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Speaker 3: That's so amazing THEO. I mean, I so respect what

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Speaker 1: you know, they say these outdacious things. They have people

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Speaker 1: that will diewn the hill on it that goes out

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Speaker 1: of their way to single people out in day to

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Speaker 1: day life to hurl the most egregious and insulting things

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Speaker 1: to them or in situations where violence can take place,

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Speaker 1: and he's unleashed this in such a way that you know,

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Speaker 1: you see the reels you see people having to put

440
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Speaker 1: up on phones, people just you know, running up or

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Speaker 1: them spitting on them, punching them or attacking them and

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Speaker 1: hurling the most, like I said, the most hatefueld things.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's always has been hate in racism and

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Speaker 1: things of that nature, and there's no way around that.

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Speaker 1: But the point of it is he has struck a

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Speaker 1: nerve in this country that has turned the ugly side

447
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Speaker 1: that has been recessed in most of the population or

448
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Speaker 1: has been shouted down to such agreed that they've unleashed it.

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Speaker 1: They've they've let people be proud to be hateful. To

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Speaker 1: the question where there were blacks that were against Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 1: I have a say statement, just like the Latinos for Trump,

452
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Speaker 1: and that's the farmers for Trump and everyone else that

453
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Speaker 1: they voted for Trump that are getting their world's demolished.

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Speaker 1: Is that people become invested in their own oppression. And

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Speaker 1: it's similar to what you say, is the fact that

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Speaker 1: as long as someone else doesn't get the kindness and

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Speaker 1: empathy that I want and I deserve that kind of empathy,

458
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Speaker 1: but not you because you don't deserve it because one

459
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Speaker 1: your criminal, your drug addict, your you know, your mentally ill,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is. That it's different where someone can convince

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Speaker 1: me that the problem is you, not me, then I

462
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Speaker 1: can feel better about, you know, impressing you, even though

463
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Speaker 1: we're both going to be oppressed, but at least I'm

464
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Speaker 1: not just you know. And it's and sometimes this goes

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Speaker 1: on in the unhoused community. You will hear some one

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Speaker 1: house person that's been on House and then they'll look

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Speaker 1: and they'll lambass some other on House person that may

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Speaker 1: be suffering from issues of substance or mental health issues,

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Speaker 1: or they don't understand the full scale of what's going

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Speaker 1: on with this person's life, and they will make themselves

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Speaker 1: as the mascot. And people that don't like on House people,

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Speaker 1: will poor people anyway, will gravitate to them and use

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Speaker 1: them as the whipping post to use to justify that.

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Speaker 3: Right. Oh yeah, that really gets me. You know, they

475
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Speaker 3: put up these women to defend Trump or blacks to

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Speaker 3: defend Trump. It's like, m m oh, okay, I agree

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Speaker 3: with you, but but you see, what I'm saying is

478
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Speaker 3: that it's fundamental to the way that human beings grow up.

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Speaker 1: When we come back more with background, Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Wodian House. Without further ado, here's the rest of my

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Speaker 1: talk with Beth.

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Speaker 3: You know, I got I wrote a book called God's

483
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Speaker 3: Little Aphorisms, and an aphorism for somebody who might not know,

484
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Speaker 3: is just like a saying. And so these things would

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Speaker 3: just come to me, and there'd be a reason that

486
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Speaker 3: I would be going through something and this would come

487
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Speaker 3: to me. And one thing that came to me was

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Speaker 3: you cannot clean the air over one house in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 3: No matter how rich you are, the air outside your

490
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Speaker 3: house is going to be polluted. And so this idea

491
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Speaker 3: that we can build walls high enough that we can

492
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Speaker 3: separate ourselves out from the fate of humanity is insane.

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Speaker 3: You know. I used to ask because I because I'm

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Speaker 3: a counselor I'm an intuitively guided counsel or. It just

495
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Speaker 3: came to me, and all of a sudden, I started counseling,

496
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Speaker 3: and I wasn't trained as a counsel. It just I

497
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Speaker 3: just did it. And I just started seeing and understanding

498
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Speaker 3: where people were coming from on an emotional level. And

499
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Speaker 3: I can see into into people and I see things

500
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Speaker 3: from their past and relationships and so on. But it's always,

501
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Speaker 3: you know, we have to deal with our not just

502
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Speaker 3: what happened to us, but how we reacted to it.

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Speaker 3: And so people are exactly what you're talking about. Everybody

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Speaker 3: has trauma in their history. Everybody, I don't care who

505
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Speaker 3: you are, and everybody feels oppressed. And everybody is because

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Speaker 3: the capitalist system, in my opinion, is based on It's

507
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Speaker 3: not in my opinion, it's the truth it's based on exploitation.

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Speaker 3: If I pay you what your labor is worth, I

509
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Speaker 3: don't get any profit. And now it's gotten to the

510
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Speaker 3: point that there is no relayationship between what you are

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Speaker 3: doing and the value of what you're producing the money

512
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Speaker 3: you're getting, because it's all going to the top. I

513
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Speaker 3: heard recently that Elon Musk owns more than fifty two

514
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Speaker 3: percent of the American people, and that the top one

515
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Speaker 3: percent owns more than ninety two percent. That's the problem,

516
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Speaker 3: you know, that is the problem. And the scarcity doesn't

517
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Speaker 3: come from a lack of having resources or it's the

518
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Speaker 3: way we organize society and how all the profits go up.

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Speaker 3: And so, you know, I always have felt that if

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Speaker 3: you're a person like I've been chronically ill all my life,

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Speaker 3: it's a miracle that I am not on housed. It

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Speaker 3: really is. I mean, I've been on welfare, you know,

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Speaker 3: and I've been on Social Security. When Ronald Reagan came

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Speaker 3: into power in California, he threw everybody off SSI. I

525
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Speaker 3: was completely disabled in my twenties, completely disabled, and they

526
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Speaker 3: said it's just too bad. And you know, while you're waiting,

527
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Speaker 3: how are you going to live?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: While I'm appealing, you know. The people who try to

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Speaker 3: help me said, well, you know you'll win on the appeal,

531
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Speaker 3: but what are you going to do in the meantime?

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Speaker 3: And so I went to the welfare department and I

533
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Speaker 3: had fifteen dollars in my pocket and they said how

534
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Speaker 3: much money do you have? And I said I had

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Speaker 3: fifteen dollars and they said that's too much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, come back in five days.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, oh yes, come back in five days. And

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Speaker 3: then I came back in five days. By this time

539
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Speaker 3: I had figured out the system, right, you know, So

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Speaker 3: this time I said I didn't have any money, but

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Speaker 3: they said, well, do you have a car. I had

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Speaker 3: a gas duzzling, ancient, dilapidated car that was a piece

543
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Speaker 3: of junk during the you know, the the oil crisis, right,

544
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Speaker 3: and it had like the windows couldn't go up and down.

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Speaker 3: They were electric windows, but they didn't go up and down.

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Speaker 3: And I had to sit with a box behind my

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Speaker 3: but I needed it because I couldn't walk, I couldn't

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Speaker 3: get on a bus. And they said that my car

549
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Speaker 3: was worth some outrageous amount of money, which it wasn't,

550
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Speaker 3: and that if I had to sell my car and

551
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Speaker 3: use up all that money, then I could come back

552
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Speaker 3: to the welfare department. And so I said to I

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Speaker 3: spoke to the supervisor, and I said, this is insane.

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Speaker 3: You know, I have no money. I haven't been evicted

555
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Speaker 3: yet from this tenement that I'm living in, but it's

556
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Speaker 3: coming because I'm out of money. And they said, well,

557
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Speaker 3: it's too bad because you have to have an eviction notice,

558
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Speaker 3: but they are. And the supervisor said to me, the

559
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Speaker 3: purpose of all of this is to keep you on welfare.

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Speaker 3: She admitted it out loud. So you're not going to

561
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Speaker 3: get any help here. And I had to go to

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Speaker 3: work and be in agony, agonizing pain for several hours

563
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Speaker 3: a day, typing to make enough money to pay for

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Speaker 3: the tenement building that I was living in. It was very,

565
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Speaker 3: very hard, being disabled and being having no support living

566
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Speaker 3: in New York City. You know, it just it just

567
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Speaker 3: wasn't easy. And I understand how desperate you can get

568
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Speaker 3: and how crazy it can make you. And if people

569
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Speaker 3: were cheating on welfare, I understood why they were, because

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Speaker 3: you couldn't live on what they were paying you.

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Speaker 1: Again, how it's the propaganda, how language works. They're making

572
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Speaker 1: a stink. These people were welfare queens or millionaires living

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Speaker 1: and Park Avenue on. And it's so infuriating because you

574
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Speaker 1: don't understand the issues of trying to survive. And she

575
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Speaker 1: tried to make here in Los Angeles because I was

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Speaker 1: on gr and I was on the disabled part of it,

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Speaker 1: and I was good for a month two hundred and

578
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Speaker 1: twenty one dollars. And how is anyone going to survive

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Speaker 1: off of two hundred and twenty one dollars a month

580
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Speaker 1: to survive to do anything. There's no rent that I

581
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Speaker 1: know of, unless you know you're you know, us in

582
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Speaker 1: a cardboard condominium. But that's other than that, There's no

583
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Speaker 1: way you're going to survive for that and for people

584
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Speaker 1: to not understand that. And you've tried to explain this

585
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Speaker 1: tool exactly, and it used to really bug me because

586
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Speaker 1: there is like in that sincere ignorance of consciential stupidity.

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Speaker 1: I don't know which what it is is that to

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Speaker 1: address the scenario I'm going to show. When I was

589
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Speaker 1: in college, there was they talk about Gutenberg and printing

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Speaker 1: of the Bible and the reason why that was so

591
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Speaker 1: important and because up to then you got your information

592
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Speaker 1: from a source, and the source whatever they say is

593
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Speaker 1: in the book. You had to accept it, no questions asked,

594
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Speaker 1: no refutation on whatever the facts were, you know. And

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Speaker 1: it was also as a controlling agents on an economic standpoint,

596
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Speaker 1: because if it was they says, the guy says in

597
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Speaker 1: the Bible, we need to go to war because we

598
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Speaker 1: need more money for the king or the one percent

599
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Speaker 1: or whatever. That's what we're going to do. And the

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Speaker 1: people that were not that could not read, which was

601
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Speaker 1: a major part of the population, they just had to

602
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Speaker 1: accept it blindly and follow along. And I make this

603
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Speaker 1: comparison to today on the rise of add to intellectualism because

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Speaker 1: a lot I believe I believe that this is one

605
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Speaker 1: of the key components on why we have so much hatred,

606
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Speaker 1: but also the facts of the fact of the matter

607
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Speaker 1: of people pushing against education or pushing against reason, analysis, statistics, science,

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Speaker 1: the debacle with the rf Kennedy junior year, with this

609
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: craziness that he's talking about the funding of well established

610
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Speaker 1: medical protocols that fifty years ago that was not in place,

611
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Speaker 1: that saved the lives of people. We're going to be

612
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Speaker 1: going back fifty years from now trying to re establish

613
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Speaker 1: just because of the lunacy of the Charlatans that are

614
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Speaker 1: in place, and I believe, and I cannot help but

615
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: believe that it's because of the rise of anti intellectualists.

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Speaker 1: There's people that are proud to be I don't want

617
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Speaker 1: to say stupid, but proud to be uneducated, proud to

618
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Speaker 1: spout off opinions, and they talking about that, they doing research,

619
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Speaker 1: listening to some quack that know that these people are

620
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Speaker 1: uneducated and know that they don't know how to parse

621
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Speaker 1: and use critical thinking skills to be able to make

622
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Speaker 1: a well reasoned, logical conclusion, they'll utilize them and to

623
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Speaker 1: make sure there's a lot of emotionalism to it in

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Speaker 1: order for them to carry on. Then the ideas, which

625
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Speaker 1: is why you hear when you hear the people questioning

626
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: Trump supporters, their viewpoints are not thought out or there,

627
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Speaker 1: or it's very misinformed, or it's the statistics are not

628
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: there and it's over blown, or like the idea of

629
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Speaker 1: a black on black prime or all of these other

630
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: poorly thought out things, because they know people gradutate toward

631
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Speaker 1: their fears and prejudices.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I couldn't agree with you more. It's the lack

633
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Speaker 3: of critical thinking is astounding. It's astounding so it's more

634
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Speaker 3: than ignorance. It's uh, you know, you can be ignorant

635
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Speaker 3: and then get information. Information is available, but we are

636
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 3: not trained to think. Well, I am going to take

637
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Speaker 3: this another step, which is that we are not supposed

638
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Speaker 3: to think. We're just supposed to do what we're told,

639
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 3: and we will be manipulated by that and we will

640
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: be exploited emotionally. And I agree with that. There was

641
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Speaker 3: something I was going to say about this lack of

642
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 3: critical thinking, but well, yeah, I mean they're going after Harvard, right,

643
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Speaker 3: it's the symbol. I agree with you completely.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidly,

645
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Speaker 1: and that's where we are, you know.

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Speaker 3: So I would like to ask you a question. Okay,

647
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Speaker 3: do you have any brilliant ideas about what to do

648
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Speaker 3: for the unhaused.

649
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how brilliant they are. I do have

650
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: some ideas that I do believe that could turn the

651
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: tide and understanding unhouse people because I'm an educator, I

652
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: was a former educator. So one of the things that

653
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: I know, which is why it really really cooks my grid,

654
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: is the rise of intellectualism because I was trained by

655
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: old school teachers. And even though I'm coming from a

656
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: different generation, I had older school teachers that would go

657
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: to take you to task on learning basic elements of

658
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: critical thinking skills. And as I embarked on my own

659
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: teaching career, I noticed that skill set was slowly fading

660
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: away in the curriculums of schools. And right now, what

661
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: I see is that there's a pernicious resistant toward critical

662
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: thinking understanding basics like the civics of our country. And

663
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: I was telling them how old I was when I

664
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: was going to school. You could not graduate from elementary

665
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: school without you taking a Civics test in understanding the

666
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: branches of government. You could not graduate from high school.

667
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: I couldn't graduate from high school in my history class

668
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: until I took a civic lesson. And I see now

669
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: that people cannot understand the most basic things of our

670
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: government and how it works, the nuts and bolts. And

671
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: because of that, it's because that's that earth of aggressive

672
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: focus on the kind of thing that people can't make

673
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: the most next logical steps or make them understand how

674
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Speaker 1: the wheel works where. And this is and I'm going

675
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: to bring this back home to the house community. The

676
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: key to understanding about the unhoused community is you have

677
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: to have education. You have to understand the realities of it,

678
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: not a blanket emotionalism. Understanding how our systems create the

679
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: unhoused community, how our disdain of on house and poor

680
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: people motivates politicians to do the bare minimum, and also

681
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: their ability to create punitative law against dunhouse and poor people.

682
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: And once you understand that and the civics of understanding

683
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: how our systems work and we understand, we're holding more

684
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Speaker 1: of the politicians to task on creating humane solutions like

685
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: for example, support of housing, meeting people wherever they are.

686
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: But we have to have an honest conversation on how

687
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: we weaponize mental health and substance usage. They're symptoms, they're

688
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: not the solution. They're not the cause of what's going on,

689
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: and it plays a part. When you're in a patriarchy

690
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: in a capitalistic society, you're going to have things that's

691
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: going to go awry. But we also have to be

692
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: humane and have the impanty gene reinstituted in understanding that

693
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: we're dealing with human beings, not automatons. But you know

694
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: that's just the first thing.

695
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know One of the things that I

696
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 3: that you're alluding to, which I think connects to something

697
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 3: that I've also believe, is that the capitalist system itself

698
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 3: and the government as it's hand, wants the people to

699
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: suffer if they don't fit. They want people to suffer. So,

700
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 3: for instance, if you were disabled or ill, as I

701
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 3: have been, the government doesn't want you to get comfortable

702
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: because they don't want everybody to say, Hey, I'm disabled.

703
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: I don't want to work all those hours. I don't

704
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 3: want to work fifty hours a week. I don't want

705
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 3: to work in a factory and lose my arm because

706
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 3: I was involved in the worker's movement. I don't want

707
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 3: I don't want these experiences. You know I also have needs. Well,

708
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 3: that's anathema that's going to make the whole system collapse

709
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 3: if everybody says, I will not be treated in this way, right,

710
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 3: the uprising of everybody. So what they do is they

711
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: make sure that the people who who are disabled or

712
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 3: who are without resources are going to be miserable, and

713
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 3: so that keeps everybody else in line. It's like a

714
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: whip to everybody else. You see what happened to Mary

715
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: Jane when she could you know, When I worked with

716
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: a phone company in Cleveland, the rules for the women

717
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 3: who were working there were so stringent about not taking

718
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 3: any days off for being sick. A one woman died

719
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: at her job. She just dropped in because she could.

720
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: She was afraid to take a sick day. The treatment

721
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: of people, it's not just the un how's it the

722
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: treatment of everybody in our system, in the factories, in

723
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 3: the offices. What people are subjected to. They want you

724
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 3: to shut up and just keep working until you drop

725
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 3: because if you just if you think that you might

726
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 3: be able to do better in a different way, you're

727
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 3: not going to go along with what's being done you.

728
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 3: So that's what we do, those of us who are

729
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 3: really at the bottom of society, create discipline for everybody else.

730
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 3: You see what's going to happen if you do this,

731
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 3: this is what's going to happen to you. You're gonna

732
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 3: end up incarcerated as an unhoused person, because it evidently

733
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Speaker 3: it's a crime now to be unhoused, right, yes, yes.

734
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Speaker 1: Or worth erase, that's the thing too. One of the

735
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: things that we we used to stay on the street

736
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: is that they want to believe themselves that they are

737
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: compassionate that life. For example, Mayor Basque has representatives explaining

738
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: about inside Safe. Her solution is supposed to be humane

739
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: and compassionate. She goes upon on house people in their encampments,

740
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: tells them that they can go to this place, this hotel.

741
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: They'll put them up, but you cannot come back here

742
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: and they'll take their things. You got to throw give

743
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: a ten or whatever, throw it away, take a photo.

744
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: You know that you are helping and you're not being

745
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: aggressive or violent against the person. The person has very

746
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: minimal choices because they know that they're going to have

747
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: to take it, because if they don't take it, they're

748
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: going to be facing police activity, law enforcement of harassment.

749
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Speaker 3: And you can't take your dog.

750
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Speaker 1: Or you can't even take you know, other things that

751
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: you have. For example, you have a bike that you

752
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: might not be able to take it. You maybe only

753
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: have to take two bags. It depends on where the

754
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: hotel there is. But the reality is is once that's

755
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: done the pr campaign, you will see clips of Mayor

756
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: bass Is talking about street houselessnesses down. We're getting on

757
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: house people back in homes. It's not acceptable to keep

758
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: them out on the street. It's a two word it's way,

759
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: but they erase and then when you come back to

760
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: the same spot, they got these big fences there, or

761
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: they got hostile architecture put up there. The point is

762
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: that when the person gets into this place we call

763
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: housing purgatory, they don't have solutions to get them to

764
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: the housing that they claim or so they're staying there

765
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: in limbo, or if they're having to face stringent staff

766
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 1: or punitive rules. And you know, unhoused people are wanting

767
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: the solution of they want housing. They don't want to

768
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: go through all of the hoops. Give them housing, so

769
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: to help them get back on their feet, that would

770
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: be simple. But no, you got to go through the shelters,

771
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: you got to go through the headaches, you got to

772
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: go through disrespect, you got to go through everything. So

773
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: they can say that that they're helping you, but the

774
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: reality is that they're continually giving you on that limbo.

775
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: And most unhoused people, when you hear them say that

776
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: they don't want any help, it's because they know how

777
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: exhausting the help that they're going to receive. That's an

778
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: interesting point, and it's frustrating because they give up everything

779
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: because they were promised they're going to get the help

780
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: that they need, and it doesn't end up working that way.

781
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: And then you go into like what they say the shelters,

782
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: and those shelters are very unsafe, very disrespectful. The staff

783
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: is talking to you out of the side of the neck,

784
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: and you don't want to be disrespectful, or you don't

785
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: want to have to go through curfews, or you don't

786
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: have to go through the beating kind of treatment that

787
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: you have to go through. And people that have been

788
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: abused or have dealing in the abusive situation and are

789
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: trying to flee that that doesn't work well in their

790
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: psychic or their mental health. You know who wants to

791
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 1: go back to another abusive situation. And it's like trying

792
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: to tell these leaders that it's like they're talking to

793
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: a brick wall. The end result of that is these

794
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: people who are service resistant, we have solutions for them,

795
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: and they don't want to take the solution. They can

796
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,479
Speaker 1: hear all of the horrible things that the unhoused person

797
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: is telling them and they'll walk away with that, and

798
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: then they will spread that to the communities who see

799
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: unhouse people. Then that creates that negative vibe that they

800
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: have and then because they got it pumped in by

801
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: people who supposedly are supposed to help them, and they'll

802
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: listen to them rather than the experiences of unhouse people.

803
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: That's such a good point, you know. To me, the

804
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: solution to all of it is to have real democracy

805
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 3: in our economy and in our society, and that means

806
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 3: you have to have people speaking about what they actually

807
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 3: need instead of being told what they need and you know,

808
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 3: having somebody else who organize it for them. So that

809
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 3: we should have workers on the boards of directors of

810
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: every company. You know, you're working there, you know what's

811
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 3: going on. You should have something to say about it.

812
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 3: But it's the same thing. I mean if you have

813
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 3: conferences about people but not with them.

814
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what.

815
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 3: I mean, they know you. The people who are in

816
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 3: these situations have way more experience and understanding of what's

817
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 3: going on.

818
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: Now.

819
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 3: Some of them are going to you know, be scamming.

820
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 3: That's a reality of the way.

821
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: That's a human condition.

822
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yeah, that's the human But there are people

823
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 3: who aren't and who really have something to offer, and

824
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 3: we are wasting people's gifts, you know, we're wasting their intelligence,

825
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 3: we're wasting their energy rather than incorporating, and then you

826
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 3: make them other right, So it's them, And it's in

827
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 3: my book Living with Reality, and also in the handbook

828
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 3: for the Interrevolution. I start out with oneness means I

829
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 3: am you, I am that, not I am not that,

830
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 3: and that's what we what our society tries to do.

831
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 3: It's like, well, I'm not like that? Oh really, really

832
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 3: are you not like that? And you know, I know

833
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 3: a lot of people who are not un has, but

834
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 3: not because they are any more well off mentally than

835
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 3: the people who are, but because they were lucky that

836
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 3: they had parents who supported them, or they had a

837
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: husband or a wife, or somebody rescued them. You know.

838
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 3: It's it's it's not like we're all we're that different.

839
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 3: Deep down inside, we're all pretty much the same and

840
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 3: have the same kind of games, the same kind of mentality.

841
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 3: And that's the oh why I believe in the Inner Revolution.

842
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 3: We have to change consciousness. We have to change the

843
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 3: way people see themselves and one another. We have to

844
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 3: get people to understand that we cannot benefit at the

845
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 3: cost of another human being, or of the earth for

846
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 3: that matter.

847
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: Well that's like I say, you know this is we

848
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: can go on and on. I think this is a

849
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: good place to in the conversation. And I would like

850
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: to invite you back to further the discussion on your

851
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: other books and to see what other developments that we're

852
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: going on in this crazy time, because I have a

853
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: funny feeling that we're going to have some more crazier

854
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: times with this president coming.

855
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well, and you know it's not just him.

856
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 3: It's like, what are we fighting for? What are we

857
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: fighting for? We can't go back to the way it was.

858
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 3: It was that shit too, you know, let's get honest

859
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 3: about it. This wasn't any good. So I would love

860
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 3: to come back there. You just invite me and all.

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Speaker 1: Be there, perfect, perfect. Thank you very much for your time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Beth for her time and insight.

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Speaker 1: You can learn more about her work and check out

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Speaker 1: her books and social media at the links in the description.

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Speaker 1: And that brings us to the end of another episode

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Speaker 1: of Weedian House. Don't forget to vote for us and

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Speaker 1: the Signal Awards. The link is in the description of

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Speaker 1: this episode, and voting will remain open until October ninth.

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Speaker 1: If you have a story you'd like to share, please

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Speaker 1: reach out to me at Wiedianhouse at gmail dot com,

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Speaker 1: at Wdianhouse on Instagram. Until then, may we again meet

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Speaker 1: in the light of understanding. HOWS is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: It is written, hosted, and created by me Theo Henderson,

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Speaker 1: our producers Jamie Loftus, Hailee Fager, Katie Fischer, and Lyra Smith.

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Speaker 1: Our editor is Adam Watt, our engineer is Joel Jerome,

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Speaker 1: and our local art is also by Katie Fisher. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening.