1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 2: Single best idea and the single best idea is we 3 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 2: understand it's a grind. We do economics, finance, investment, and 4 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: international relations. There's high points, there's big interviews and all that, 5 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: but part of it is just going from conversation to 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 2: conversation with the many different opinions about where the market's going. 7 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 2: We pay a little attention to who gets things right, 8 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: but we really pay attention and study who got things wrong. 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 2: It's something we're constantly dealing with and today was just 10 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 2: an absolutely vintage day of different opinions. Anastasia Amorosa with 11 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: us from Partners Group, many many others. Mike Wilson stopped 12 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: by from Morgan Stanley. He was a Pinata two years 13 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: ago on should you be in the market not be 14 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: in the market. He sees a new bull market here, 15 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: Wilson of Morgan Stanley. 16 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: As usual, the markets get ahead of this and what 17 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: the markets are anticipating now, the bond market and the 18 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: equity markets that the Fed will be cutting sometime in 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: the next you know, two to six months, and you know, 20 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: even our house call, I mean our house calls for 21 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: no cuts this year, but then they have seven cuts 22 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 1: next year. I mean, that's like wildly bullish for equities. Okay, 23 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: so you know it's you almost had the perfect setup, Tom, 24 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: because what you have now is lagging economic data, which 25 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: is what the FED uses to make decisions, and you 26 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: have you already have the equity market and earning visions 27 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: telling you what's going to happen. So you know, they're 28 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: looking backwards and they're going to be looking at lagging 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: labor data, you know, and then of course lagging inflation data, 30 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 1: which should come down ultimately later this year next year, 31 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: and they're going to cut into that and but the 32 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: but you know, there's not going to be a knock 33 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: on negative effect for earnings revisions in the way that 34 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: people kind of assume when you get that sort of 35 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: decline in labor data. In fact, I would argue, because 36 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: it's gradual that we're going to see revisions go up, 37 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: because you know, when companies reduce headcount, it actually accrues 38 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: to margins. 39 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 2: Mike Wilson, there, Morgan Stanley, that's a very important observation. 40 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: Have we even framed out the caution that we'll see 41 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: in September thirty ending quarter Q three and as we 42 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 2: go to the beginning of the year's earning season, call 43 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: it you know, October sixteen, seventeenth, eighteenth and tech earnings 44 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: October thirty, whatever those dates are. It's just fascinating to 45 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: see if we get the reticence again, no growth, low 46 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: single digit growth, mid single digit growth. Oops, once again 47 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: a better than good quarter. Joining us Darryl Krunk from 48 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: Wills Fargo. He's really really good at historic perspective. Just 49 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: can't say enough about the joy the density of his excellence. 50 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: Here's Daryl Krunk of Wills Fargo. 51 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 3: I am elated about earnings, right, I mean, so we've 52 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 3: been waiting through twenty three twenty four earning SketchUp with 53 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 3: multiple expansion. I mean remember and recall first quarter earnings 54 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 3: S and B seven percent revenue growth, fifteen percent earnings. 55 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: This morning we're tracking six percent revenue growth, ten percent earnings. 56 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: Right. 57 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 3: I will take that all day long. 58 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 2: Right. 59 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 3: The margins are still holding up, so you're not seeing 60 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: the erosion in margin deterioration that everybody was concerned about 61 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 3: with higher prices. In the pass through effects yet of tariffs. 62 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: Maybe they come in the back half of the year 63 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 3: where we would stay away from We've just been bearish 64 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 3: on small caps for a long time. I mean, it's 65 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 3: interesting if you go back three years from right now 66 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 3: and I invested in a money market fund at four percent, 67 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: I outperformed small caps over the last three years. 68 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: Joel Crack. There, it's an important observation there. It's done 69 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: money market We ever heard that from Russ Kostriche today 70 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: and Matt Brill as well. This idea of get the coupon, 71 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: get some total return, the low yield days are over, 72 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: and the total return, the risk adjusted total return rather 73 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: in bonds is something to study, to study as well 74 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: in our podcasts across the nation on Apple podcasts and Spotify. 75 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: Joe Wisenthal Tracy Alloway number one for Apple podcasts yesterday 76 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: off their magnificent New York Times article that's odd lots. 77 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:27,559 Speaker 2: We're on YouTube podcasts at single best idea