1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Good evening, everybody. I'm Nancy Grayson. 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: This is the Friday Night special Crime Stories and Tonight 3 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: Shock Query. Did killer Brian Laundry's parents his mother and 4 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 1: father know Gabby Petito had been murdered? Did they know 5 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: that all along? Refusing to let her parents know and 6 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: launch a wild goose chase for their daughter. Tonight joining 7 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: us Gabby Petito's dad and stepmom. Not only are they 8 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: analyzing what happened then, but wait until you hear what 9 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: they are doing now, what they are doing for other 10 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: crime victims. It's amazing. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 11 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. 12 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: I don't want to try and defend myself by saying 13 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: and hereby I pushed their way. 14 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 3: She gets really worked up and when she knows, she 15 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 3: swings and shut herself on her head. 16 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 4: So I was just trying to get. 17 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 5: Through a way. 18 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 4: But I was just really stressed. 19 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 3: Way I am thinking about it work then, and I. 20 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 6: Was apologizing I had done about this stuff in the fact. 21 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 7: Oh, I was just apologizing. 22 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 6: I was like, I'm sorry that I get so stressed out. 23 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: Okay, how in the world was Brian Laundry deemed the 24 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: victim in that scenario. 25 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 4: Did you hear that? 26 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: How many times have women been victimized? And the man 27 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: says quote, she really gets worked up. Then you see 28 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: Gabby who was murdered, apologizing it like it's my fault 29 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: because she threw something in the back seat. Just so 30 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: you know. The police pulled them over after reports had 31 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: occurred of Brian Laundry beating Gabby Patito slapping her in 32 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: the face on Main Street. Why am I emphasizing main 33 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: Street because if he would do that on Maine Street, 34 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: what would he do in private? I e out and 35 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: dispersed camping where her remains were found completely bass actwards, 36 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: and she paid for the police mistake with her life. 37 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: Joining me right now two people that we all think 38 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: we know so well because we've seen them on TV, 39 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: we've heard their voices. But now joining me, Joe and 40 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: Tara Patito. This is Gabby's dad and step mom. They 41 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: have been co parenting with Gabby's stepdad and bio mom 42 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: for years and years, all four of them. I believe Tara, 43 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: they call you a bonus. 44 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: Mom, yes, and they called Jim a bonus dad because 45 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: we're more than step. We've been in Gabby's life since 46 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: she was very little, so I've been there from the start. 47 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, isn't it true, Tara, that 48 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: very quickly after you met Joe, now your husband, you 49 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: saw photos of Gabby just a little girl. 50 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we met when Gabby was just about eight 51 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: nine months old. We didn't start really dating until about 52 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: six months later. But you know, one of the first 53 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: things he did show me was a picture of Gabby. 54 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:19,559 Speaker 1: You know, Tarah, A lot of guys and I guess women, 55 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: but mostly guys in the dating world, they hide the 56 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: fact that they have children or they don't even care. 57 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: They don't even think of talking about their children because 58 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: they're so like disconnected and they're more focused on getting 59 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: a girlfriend and all that entails. But not Joe, Betito, Joe, 60 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: what is your single most I no, there's a lot, 61 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: but what is your single most vivid memory of Gabby? 62 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 3: When when I ditched work with her, so it was 63 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 3: like bring your daddy and bring your daughter to work, dad, 64 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 3: and h My work was boring. Jim's got like a 65 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 3: cool job, like he would run into the burning buildings 66 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 3: and you know all that stuff. 67 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 7: You know, firepole whatever. No, I had reports and stuff. 68 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 3: So she was so bored and she's just you know, 69 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: I could see it and she's like, you know, let's 70 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: get out of here. 71 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 7: And I'm one hundred percent. Where do you want to go? 72 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: And we went to the Museum of monitt Art and 73 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 3: we hung out there all day, and then we went 74 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 3: to I think it was the Starlight Diner after that 75 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 3: in Manhattan, and then then we went home. 76 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 7: But that was that was fantastic. 77 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: I've asked that about my fiance Keith before he was murdered, 78 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: and it's literally a moment. I've got so many memories, 79 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: but it's literally a moment. One moment. I lived on 80 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: the bottom floor of my dormitory and it to come 81 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: to the room and have to go through the lobby 82 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: and then walk down a circuitous route hallways. He would 83 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: come to the window and throw something at the window 84 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: of the dorm and I could just look at and 85 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: I remember one of those moments and I looked down 86 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: at him and he had beautiful blue eyes, and that 87 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: moment when he looked up and smile, that moment is 88 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: just something that just stuck in my memory. I mean, 89 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: there's so many of them, but that's one of them. 90 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: I don't know how anybody can pick just one with 91 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: all the birthdays and events and Christmases And do you 92 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: let yourself, Joe, think back on all of those amazing 93 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: times with Gabby or does that get you upset? 94 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 5: No? 95 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 7: I think about it all the time. 96 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, yes, I get upset because I can't 97 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 3: have any more, But no, I think about it all 98 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 3: the time. And yeah, I try to make sure I 99 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 3: have those moments with my boys too, because you just 100 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 3: never know. So we really try to cherish everything and 101 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 3: every moment, you know, and really you live for today, 102 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 3: but you plan for tomorrow. 103 00:06:58,960 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 7: And that's what we do. 104 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: What about it, Tara, Well, I'm going to say, I 105 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 2: mean I cherish all the memories that we had, and again, 106 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: like Joe just said, I wish we could have more. 107 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: I find myself often looking at all the pictures. Gaby 108 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: loved to take pictures, and I'm so grateful that we 109 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: have so many of them. But right now, I mean, 110 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: she would have been twenty six years old, and she 111 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: has friends having. 112 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 4: Babies and getting married and as happy as I am 113 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 4: for them, and. 114 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: So you know, I just we're never going to get 115 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: that I'm never going to see my grandchildren from her, 116 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: and that's something that's extremely painful. 117 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: I've been thinking about everything that we talked about at 118 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: crime Con, everything you're saying right now, Tara, you just 119 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: said something really powerful. It's not what you've already lost, 120 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: but what you are going to lose. You stated that 121 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: you will never have grandchildren with Gabby. When did that 122 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: hit you like a ton of bricks? I mean, do 123 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: you visualize Christmases and Easters and grandparents' days together? What 124 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: it would have been like. I mean, when you think 125 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: of that, what do you visualize? 126 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 4: That is a rough one. 127 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: I don't think that I really try to visualize that 128 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: because I think that would be way too painful. I 129 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: don't think I have visualized that. I mean, I think 130 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 2: about Gabby every single day. I try to look for 131 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: signs from her every single day. I think about her 132 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: brothers and sisters not getting to spend those times with 133 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 2: But damn, yeah, I know I'm never going to have 134 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: those grandchildren. 135 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 4: But have I ever visualized it? 136 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 5: No? 137 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 4: I think that would be it's too bad. 138 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: I did. 139 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: I did tear it, but I had to stop. I 140 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: would visualize us moving in Colorado because Keith already had 141 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: a job lined up. He was a geology major, and 142 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: I would have been teaching school English or college, I 143 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: hope Shakespeare in literature, and we would have three children. 144 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: And I let myself do that. It was kind of 145 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: a comfort thing for years, but then it started taking 146 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: over and it wasn't comfort anymore. It was upsetting. And 147 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: then I had my twins and I learned to not 148 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: allow myself to do that because it takes you down 149 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: into you know, a depression or worse. It's very upsetting. 150 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: And you have your family now that you're helping through 151 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: Gabby's death. How are they at this juncture dealing with 152 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: no Gabby? No Gabby here anyway? 153 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: The boys are definitely having a very difficult time. My 154 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: youngest right now, he's really struggling. I think it's he 155 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: was too young to really realize what was happening. He 156 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: was only ten years old. But now he's fourteen and 157 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: he's really it's been hitting him hard the past couple 158 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: of weeks, past couple of months. 159 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 4: I just try to focus on them it's possible. 160 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: I try to let them know that they are allowed 161 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,599 Speaker 2: to have happiness. Gabby would want them to have happiness. 162 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: I let them know that Gabby's here with us, maybe 163 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: not in physical form, but her spirit's always always there, 164 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 2: just so that they know that they have a very 165 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: long life to live and they're going to have a 166 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: lot of memories, but to keep her always there. 167 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: Joe, do you ever get sick when you hear people 168 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: talk about closure? 169 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 5: Just? 170 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I just heard Tara there's no closure because 171 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: even now the boys are struggling, and as some of 172 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: them get older and it starts, they realize what really happened. 173 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: That's going to be very difficult to take in. There 174 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: is no closure. I don't know why people say that. 175 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 3: So I don't get sick. I mean internally, I'm like, yeah, no, 176 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: that's not that's not a thing. You know, you don't 177 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: get over the death of a child. But there's no 178 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 3: better word to use. And I understand where they're coming 179 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 3: from and their intention behind it, to be honest with you, 180 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 3: I really do so, But I I just there is 181 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: no closure on the death child, know or or your 182 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 3: your partner that you see an entire life with you know, 183 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 3: and it's what you do afterwards, you know that and 184 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 3: make you get through the days, and it's find of 185 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 3: why we do what we do now and we get 186 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 3: our focus, you know, with the foundation and trying to help. 187 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 3: You know, that's one of the reasons that we're on today. 188 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 3: You know, that's what we're trying to do. You know, 189 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 3: we're trying to There's a domestic violence shelter in Laramie 190 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 3: that needs needs some help. They need a security defense. 191 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 3: And the excuse me, it's fifty four thousand dollars and 192 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 3: we're gonna match. 193 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 7: We're gonna put up half of it. So we're gonna 194 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 7: put up twenty seven. 195 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: Thousand crime stores with Nancy Grace. You're doing so much 196 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: with a Gabby Potato Foundation. But one thing you recently 197 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:03,479 Speaker 1: told me is about Lara Dies. It's a shelter near Laramie. 198 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: Is it actually called Laradise. 199 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: No, they call themselves Laradise. It's just I guess it's 200 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: spin on the words. It is Laramie, Wyoming. They're an 201 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: amazing organization and Nicky and I were able to visit 202 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 2: them last year. We spoke at their luncheon and when 203 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 2: we went to the shelter, we noticed that they did 204 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: not have a security gate, and it was something that 205 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: was really disturbing because they put their lives at risk 206 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: every day. They've already had issues where abusers will stop there. 207 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 4: They're victims, and it's it's it's it's again, it's not. 208 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: Most of most shelters have security gates, and so we 209 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: came up with this idea that we wanted to raise 210 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: money to try to to try to get them that, 211 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: because again, they put their lives at risk every single day. 212 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 4: And she's not right. You shouldn't go to work in fear. 213 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 2: You go to a shelter also to be protected from 214 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 2: your abuser. So they are really in desperate neve of 215 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: this eat. 216 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: You know, Tara, I remember prosecuting all day long, and 217 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: I would work at the batter Women's Center in Atlanta 218 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:26,119 Speaker 1: in the evenings, and a volunteer, I was a volunteer. 219 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: I wouldn't even know the location of the shelter for 220 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: a really long time, months and months and months, if 221 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: not over a year before a volunteer who was working 222 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: the hotline could know where the shelter was, right, because 223 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: that's a very real danger for victims to be brutalized. 224 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: And then they finally get away and then the pro 225 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: finds out where they are and the shelter you're talking about. 226 00:14:58,800 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: They don't even have a fence. 227 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 7: What, Joe, we signed NDA's before we go yep. 228 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 4: Because we can't give out the addresses. 229 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: Well, you're right, because perps have found the shelter and 230 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: have followed the victim and tried to kill the victim 231 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: at the shelter, and then there are other people there 232 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: that are collateral damage. So this fence, these protective measures 233 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: are really needed. You go to Gabby Potito Foundation dot 234 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: org and when you go there and click on that, 235 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: you will immediately see how to donate to the Laramie 236 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: Project shelter. Tell me about who are the victims there, Joe. 237 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 3: These aren't domestic violence survivors that need assistance, and they 238 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: need to make sure that where they are are going 239 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 3: to be safe. The name of the foundation is called 240 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 3: the Safe Project, and they do amazing work. And they 241 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 3: they said, Tyr and Nikki went and spoke there, and 242 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 3: the last thing they should be worried about is, hey, listen, 243 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: I got away. Now the person is going to break 244 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: into where I'm at. I mean, that's the fear that 245 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 3: you shouldn't have. And this is a process of healing. 246 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 3: It can't start with having more fear where you are 247 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 3: and that this is why this is so important. Nikki 248 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 3: and Tara and are going there this weekend this week going. 249 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: Back there this weekend to speak at their luncheon again, 250 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: just as being there has brought in more people. They 251 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: sold out last year and I think they only have 252 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: a couple of tickets left for this year. So it 253 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: just brings in more money for them. And that's what 254 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: our foundation is all about. It's about helping other organizations, 255 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: TV organizations and missing organizations. 256 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 4: I mean, we do a lot of other things as well, 257 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 4: but that's those are our main two things. 258 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 3: I mean, so we have a first responder program that 259 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 3: gym's going around the country with. Nicki and Tara do 260 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 3: a lot of education and prevention around the country. 261 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 7: I do a lot of the legislative work. 262 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 3: So when it comes to what we're doing, it's a lot. 263 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 3: But this is right here, This is just going to. 264 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 7: Be a pretty you know. 265 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 3: Our short term goal is to get them their fence 266 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 3: right now and do what they can to make sure 267 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 3: that everyone that's there or come there in the future 268 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 3: have a safe place to Joe, when. 269 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: Did you decide to launch the Gabby Potito Foundation? 270 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 5: And why Nicky came up with it before Gabby's service 271 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 5: because we had so many people reach out and there 272 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 5: was so many questions on what to do and what 273 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 5: you saw and stuff like that. 274 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 3: And we just wanted to help as many people as 275 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 3: we could and get as much information to people as 276 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 3: we could. And to be honest with you, the amount 277 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 3: of work that Tara and Nicky do, I mean, Jim 278 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 3: and I do a lot of work too, but it's 279 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 3: nowhere near the amount of work that Tara does and 280 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 3: that Nicky does. And I'll tell you they are the 281 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 3: brains behind the operation. And watching them work, it's just 282 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 3: it's just admirable. 283 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 7: They are amazing together. 284 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: Derek, when did you know in your heart that you 285 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: couldn't just sit by and do nothing after Gabby was 286 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: murdered by Brian Laundry Again, No, you've had to do something. 287 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 4: It was right before Gabby's service. 288 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 2: I mean, nothing that we could do, obviously, is to 289 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: bring Gabby back. As much as I would love to 290 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 2: be able to do that, it's just not possible. But 291 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: Nikki came to us right before her service and was like, 292 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 2: let's start a foundation. 293 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 4: I think at that point we didn't really know what 294 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 4: that meant. We didn't know what we were doing. 295 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 2: I've never ran a foundation before, but I knew in 296 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 2: my heart that we had to do it. So many 297 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: people helped us, and we don't want this happening to 298 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: anybody else. 299 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 4: I mean, our goal is really to be put out 300 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 4: of business. 301 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: That's what That's what we want to think most TV organizations, 302 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 2: that's what they want. They want to be put out 303 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: of business because I mean this it has to stop. 304 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 2: The violence has to stop. 305 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: I've got a question for you. When you hear or 306 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: read online, dare you do it? People attacking you? How 307 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 1: do you deal with that? Just totally ignore it? 308 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 2: I think in the beginning it used to really hurt 309 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 2: reading that, and then we have amazing supporters that actually 310 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: would defend us, and we didn't have to do anything 311 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: at that point. 312 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 4: Now I just kind of laugh at them. I look 313 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 4: at them like their bots. 314 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 2: They have no idea, they haven't done any research, and 315 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 2: lucky for them, they've maybe they've never been in a 316 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 2: situation where they've needed any resources. 317 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 4: So have at it. Do what you got to do. 318 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: But what are the different things that you do through 319 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: Gabby Potato Foundation dot org. 320 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 3: Again, I mean, it's kind of like we said before, 321 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: what we do, you know, the education prevention Tara and 322 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 3: Nikki go around the country talking to colleges and conferences 323 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 3: and foundations at all types of events. 324 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: Got to break it down Joe education about. 325 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: What well, DV education and prevention. So right now Jim 326 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: is out there. He's a first uh, he's always been 327 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 2: a first responder, and he developed a DV it's like 328 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: unseen Advocate, So it's a DV prevention program that he 329 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: goes and teaches first responders us mts. 330 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 4: And then Nicki and I will go around well we 331 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 4: will this next week. 332 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 2: I think next week we're speaking at a high school. 333 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 2: Nicki has already spoken out of high school. That's what 334 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: we would like to get in. 335 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 3: Red flags, you know where to go if you see 336 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 3: situations you know, similar to you know X, you know, 337 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 3: and they're talking about these these these events and these 338 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,719 Speaker 3: situations that people in, especially when you gear it towards 339 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 3: the younger generation of friendships relationships because they're just new. 340 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: And it's also about keeping your airways safe. I mean, 341 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 2: Gabby was strangled, so a lot of people do not 342 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 2: know the dangers of being strangled, even if it's just 343 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 2: for pleasure or I mean that anybody that strangles you 344 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 2: is the most dangerous person to walk the earth. Most likely, 345 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 2: if they're going to strangle you, they are ready to 346 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: kill you. 347 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, and then listen. 348 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 3: Then there's the legislative stuff, do you know there's a 349 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 3: lethality assessment that we're trying to get everywhere. Matter of fact, 350 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 3: I'll be up in Albany in October trying to champion 351 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 3: a bill that's up and up there for the state 352 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: of New York. So then we'll have what Utah, Florida 353 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 3: and New York that'll have it. We just trained the 354 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 3: LAPD what two months back to they are using the 355 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 3: Maryland Network Against Domestic Violences lethality assessment now too. So 356 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 3: just doing as much as we can ise, you know, 357 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 3: just everywhere, but working on some legislation in Australia and 358 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 3: the United Kingdom as well. 359 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: You know, I'm want to circle back on what the 360 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: legislation is that you're working on. But something that Tara 361 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: said about prevention DV domestic violence, I would see by 362 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: the time I got them, they would be felonies such 363 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: as aggravated battery where a woman would lose her eye, 364 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: the use of her eye or forever use, the use 365 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: of her lose, the use of her arm or finger 366 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: or a leg even or an aggravated assault where the 367 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 1: victim is shot stad beaten with fists, so they'd be 368 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: a fella or they're dead. That's how I would get 369 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: the case in court. By then it's a felony, right. 370 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: And it was a constant stream. I remember one woman 371 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: coming in in It's like a body cast from the 372 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: hip down on one side of her. Her whole legs 373 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: ankle all the way up, and she was on crutches, 374 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: of course, and trailing behind her was the purp. They 375 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: came together and she came up to me and wanted 376 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: to drop charges. Of course I reamed him a new 377 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: tailhole and refused to drop charges, and let him know 378 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: that's my decision, not hers. My point is all I 379 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: could do at that point is put somebody behind bars 380 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: for a good long time. But what you're doing is 381 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: trying to stop it before it happens. 382 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 7: We're also trying to change some of the mentality behind it. 383 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 7: You know. Yeah, I hate listen. 384 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 3: I don't want to bring up politics because I think 385 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 3: politics is just a ridiculous topic, to be honest with you, 386 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 3: you know, but there was something that was said yesterday 387 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 3: that I was tagged in and it was and you 388 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 3: can and we'll go offline on who it was, but 389 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 3: someone pretty prominent made a comment where, you know, even 390 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 3: a small, you know, fight between a husband and wife 391 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 3: and the home is now considered criminal or you know, 392 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 3: and they were just making light of that topic where 393 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 3: it's not the disagreements or the arguments that you have, 394 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 3: but the idea that someone would say something like that, 395 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 3: and you know, and not understanding there's some serious ramifications 396 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 3: behind even small fights where people will consider and there's 397 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 3: dangers behind it, and there's it's it's just not okay. 398 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 7: And it's that mentality that we need to change. And 399 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 7: I mean we were talking about it last night. I 400 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 7: can't believe I actually heard something like that. 401 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 3: And that's that's what we're trying to change, that type 402 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 3: of old way of thinking that that's okay. 403 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 4: It's not because because of use as a process. I mean, 404 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 4: we know that. 405 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: When Brian killed Gabby that that wasn't the first time 406 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 2: he strangled her. He had strangled her many times, many 407 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: times beforehand. I mean, now we know that we didn't 408 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: know that then. But a lot of times they love 409 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 2: bomb you, they isolate you, they start gasolating. I mean, 410 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 2: it doesn't always, it's not they're not going to. 411 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 4: Physically abuse you right away. They got to win you 412 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 4: over and. 413 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: Make you think that they're the best thing, the best 414 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 2: thing ever, and then then they. 415 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 4: Will slowly show their true colors. So it's it doesn't 416 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 4: just happen overnight. It takes some time. 417 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 7: I mean, it's crazy how they're always the same process. Yeah, 418 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 7: it really is. 419 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 4: So it's really just eating. 420 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 3: Well, there's statistics that show that when you kill someone 421 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 3: from strangulation, you've done it before. 422 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 2: And she also disclosed that to her friend. 423 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: I got a question, are you convinced that Laundry's family 424 00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: new Gabby was dead for weeks and let you and 425 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: everybody else search for her while refusing to take your calls. 426 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 3: It is my I'm going to say in terms that 427 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 3: I'm allowed to say that it is my opinion, okay, 428 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 3: that they definitively knew and nothing that anyone says will 429 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 3: ever change that. I've seen too much information to say 430 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 3: otherwise they knew, and. 431 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: I under our law, no one has been accused, No 432 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: one is a person of interest or suspect and hiding 433 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: Gabby's murder. Everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty in 434 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: a court of law that said, what have you seen 435 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: that convinces you? What have you seen that gives you 436 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: the opinion that the Laundrys, damn well knew Gabby was dead. 437 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: Could it be that they sent twenty five thousand dollars 438 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: to a Wyoming defense attorney where her body was found 439 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: before she was found? 440 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 7: That's that would be a possibility. 441 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 4: Would would they say yet? 442 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 7: I mean that would that would time to do it 443 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 7: for me? 444 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 2: And in a Christopher Laundry's deposition said that Gabby was gone, 445 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 2: that Brian called and said Gabby was gone and that 446 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: he needed a lawyer. I mean, but then he tried 447 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 2: to say, oh, because she just ran off. I don't 448 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 2: know anybody that needs a lawyer for a breakup. 449 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 7: Yeah. No, I've never needed a lawyer for a breakup. 450 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 7: And a Nora have I sent twenty five thousand many times? 451 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: Did you try to reach them? Because we all know 452 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry drove across the country in Gabby's for transit, 453 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: arrives at home in her car, and nobody said none 454 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: of the laundry said, hey, where's Gabby? There was a 455 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: car you're here. You know how many times did you 456 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: call them to find out where's Gabby and nobody would 457 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: tell you. 458 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 3: I don't know how many times I did. I know 459 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 3: I did a few and texted a few. You called 460 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 3: a few, Jim called a few, Nikki called a few. 461 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 3: I mean, we kept calling and texting, but it was 462 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 3: it got no responses. But I mean, listen, and nothing's 463 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 3: going to bring her back, and is listen we heard 464 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 3: every day. You know, we go through the process every day, 465 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 3: but it really does. The stuff that we do now 466 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 3: and the work that we do now really does, really 467 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 3: does make a difference in impacting our lives and making 468 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 3: us feel like it not that it's worth it, but 469 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 3: maybe there's meeting behind it. So do you know, I 470 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 3: don't know. You were one of the first people to 471 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 3: put a file on our face, you know, back when 472 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 3: this happened. You know, I don't know if Ben people 473 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 3: know that that you put me on your family thread 474 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 3: for the twins' birthday and accidentally and like are you coming? 475 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 3: And I didn't know how to respond, and I showed 476 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 3: Tara and it was like the one of the first 477 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 3: times that we laughed, to be honest with you, like, 478 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 3: we actually had a smile on our face, and she's like, 479 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 3: you have to respond, so you know, and. 480 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 7: Then we you know, all that stuff, But that was 481 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 7: one of the first times that we left. 482 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: So I'll put you on that text. It was to 483 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: all the parents about the twins' birthday party, and at 484 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: that time, everybody in the grade had to be invited 485 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: to the mega blowout at the jumping house or whatever 486 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: it was, and it was just not a good time 487 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: unless I threw up or got a black eye or 488 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: a fat lip at the jumping house. So that's what 489 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: you mistakenly were invited to all the good times. What 490 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: exactly was on that text? 491 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 3: By the way, I really think, I replied the listen, 492 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 3: I think you're kind of far plus. 493 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 7: I don't think this was meant for me, you know. 494 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 3: But then I got I guess pictures from the event, 495 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 3: and then Tara's like, we were just laughing, Like I said, 496 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 3: it put a smile on our face at a dark time, 497 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 3: so that. 498 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,959 Speaker 4: He wasn't going to respond, and I'm like, you have to. 499 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 8: You cannot not respond, like this is amazing, you know, 500 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 8: most people would love to be able to even meet you, 501 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 8: and here he is on your text. 502 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 4: Threat was awesome, But thank you. Thank you for giving 503 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 4: us that laugh, we really needed it. 504 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: And thank you what you want to Thank me for 505 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: inviting you to the Twins Jumping house party. 506 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 7: I'll come next time. 507 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 8: Listen. 508 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 7: Who doesn't love a good jumping out. 509 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, Gabby's stepmom Tara, who helped 510 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: raise her. They referred to her as a bonus mom. 511 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: Spoke with our friends over at Squeeze a very disturbing question. 512 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 6: His room was completely gutted and renovated. None of his 513 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 6: things were were there anymore. It was gone. So that 514 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 6: very same week Gabby was missing and cops were going 515 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 6: to their house to try to get I guess a 516 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 6: scent from their dogs to look for Brian. All his 517 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 6: things were gone. 518 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: That from our friends at the Squeeze again. The Laundries 519 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: are not charged with any criminal wrongdoing. They have not 520 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: been named suspects or persons of interest. In fact, they 521 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: are innocent of all criminal wrongdoing under our jurisprudence. Innocent. 522 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: The sheer will power of Gabby Potatoes for parents is 523 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: amazing that they have taken their pain and their anger 524 00:31:53,000 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: and turned it in to something so amazingly good. This 525 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: is a discussion I had with Joe and Tara at 526 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: crime cod twenty twenty five out in Denver, just a 527 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: few days ago before he murdered her. He assaulted her 528 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: on main street in some little town, and the cot 529 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: named Gabby the aggressor, even though witnesses state they saw 530 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: him get her. So everything that could go wrong went wrong, 531 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: And somehow the Laundryes knew more than you did. 532 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 3: Well, no, I was the person who was responsible. Came 533 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 3: home back into their house and I think it was 534 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 3: twenty five thousand dollars. You know, they had the right 535 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 3: to check twenty five thousand, and they. 536 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 2: Sent a check for twenty five thousand dollars to their 537 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: attorney up in New York, Berdolino, who then sent it 538 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 2: to a defense attorney in Wyoming. How did they know 539 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 2: the location in Wyoming that they needed a difriend's attorney? 540 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: And to say that again, so Brian Laundry and the 541 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: fiance walked in the door, and I said, Hey, where's Gamby? 542 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 3: Actually no, that's not so he called. He called his 543 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 3: mom on his drive home and they had a long conversation, 544 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 3: and immediately afterwards the parents called Stephen Bertolino, and then 545 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 3: I guess the next day a wire went from the 546 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 3: laundries to Bertolino, and then Bertolino hired some high power 547 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 3: criminal defense attorney in Wyoming and that was the retainer 548 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 3: of twenty five thousand dollars. No, I don't know about 549 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 3: anybody in this room. If your child asked you for 550 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 3: a twenty five thousand dollars check, are you guys gonna 551 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 3: ask why? 552 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 4: Right? 553 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: Just wondering, Joe and Tara Patito, what is your message 554 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: tonight to families out there looking for their loved ones, 555 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: to families that know the one they loved is being abused, 556 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: and your message to people that are being abused. 557 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 7: Okay, so that would be three different messages. 558 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 2: So I guess the first one is, if your loved 559 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 2: one is missing, don't give up, keep trying. If you're 560 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 2: not getting answers from the media, and if they're not 561 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 2: helping you, take it to your take it to your 562 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 2: own social media, make your own social media, push it 563 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 2: as much as possible, advocate for your loved one as 564 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 2: much as possible. 565 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 7: Can I give a dark one of that I'll give 566 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 7: a dark one of that sure. 567 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 3: So for the media and the outlets and stuff, this 568 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 3: is gonna sound really horrible, but they need stuff that 569 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 3: people will watch and content. A photo sometimes isn't enough 570 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 3: to keep people's attention. 571 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 7: So videos and or you know, sounds, you know. 572 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 3: Where people can hear and see the body movements and 573 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 3: stuff can really make an impact on getting that story 574 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:00,439 Speaker 3: out there. 575 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 7: Further So, if you. 576 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 3: Have videos or even live photos and stuff where you 577 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 3: can hear them, try and put those out there as 578 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 3: much as you can as well, because that's some of 579 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 3: the stuff that TikTok and like Instagram stories or the 580 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 3: mainstream media will pick up on because of that. 581 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 7: I do find that to be helpful. 582 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 2: If you're going through a situation similar to Gabby, reach 583 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 2: out for help. Reach out to a family member, a 584 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 2: loved one. There's a National Domestic Violence Hotline that you 585 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,919 Speaker 2: can reach out to. They have lots of resources even 586 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 2: on their website. Don't give up that hope, just keep trying. 587 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 2: Come up with a safety plan. Know that you deserve 588 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 2: you deserve a life of happiness free from abuse. 589 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 3: If you are in a situation where you're being abused, 590 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 3: like Dike, Tara said, you know, one hundred and seventy 591 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 3: nine nine Safe as a national domestic violence hotline. But 592 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 3: you'll see, like one of the things that happened after 593 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 3: the Netflix documentary, which is really cool, was we got 594 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 3: to see so many people tell their stories on how 595 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 3: they got out of their situation to inspire others that 596 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 3: there's light at the end of the tunnel. And if 597 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,720 Speaker 3: I would say, kind of watch those that there are 598 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 3: better times ahead. And it's a journey, but there are 599 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 3: better times ahead. And you know, relationships can be a 600 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 3: wonderful thing. I mean, she's amazing. I'm an idiot, but 601 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 3: she's amazing. So and seeing stuff like that can really help. 602 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 3: And if you are in a safe place and you 603 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 3: have a story that you would like to tell and 604 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 3: get out there to help inspire others, I would encourage 605 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 3: you to do that too. 606 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: I really love the bracelet you gave me. It says 607 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: Gabby Potato. She touched the world. What did you mean 608 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: by that? 609 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 7: She touched the world? She touched everybody. 610 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 3: Everybody When it comes to what Gabby was doing and 611 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 3: the way she helped others see themselves in her, you know, 612 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 3: in the certain situations and stuff and I mean there 613 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,720 Speaker 3: wasn't a country that didn't contact us, to be honest, 614 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 3: So she really did. 615 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:10,760 Speaker 7: She really touched the world. 616 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 3: And I hope others can be inspired by the way 617 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 3: that she would do things in terms of travel and 618 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 3: and just. 619 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 7: Try and be nice, just be a nicer person. 620 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 3: It's I actually find it more difficult to be a 621 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 3: jerk than it is to be nice. It's easy to 622 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,479 Speaker 3: be nice, it's difficult to be a jerk. 623 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: So you know, it takes a lot more energy, yeah, exact, 624 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: and sometimes people are energy. Get that. It takes a 625 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,240 Speaker 1: lot of energy. 626 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're not worth it, you know's And you 627 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 3: had said something before, like how do you you know 628 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,320 Speaker 3: what social media? 629 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 7: My kids have kids. 630 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 3: The one thing that parents know about children is that 631 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 3: children say sometimes the darkest things. Were like, man, you 632 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 3: don't have to be so mean to me, you know, 633 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 3: So I care about like three people in my house, 634 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 3: my wife, my two boy, anything that anyone else has, 635 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 3: and but they're not talking to me. So but other 636 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 3: than that, say what you want. You know, we're still 637 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 3: going to help as many people as we can, and 638 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 3: that's why we're trying to help the Safe Project right now. 639 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 3: That's that's our short term, you know, this week we 640 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 3: want to raise that money and get them their fence 641 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 3: and hopefully the people that are there are they're going 642 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 3: to come there. We'll sleep better at night knowing that 643 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 3: they're in. 644 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 7: A safe place. 645 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,439 Speaker 3: That's I mean, that's the bare minimum that we could offer, right. 646 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: Guys joining us tonight are two people that have really 647 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: touched my life and I hope your life. And it's 648 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:45,760 Speaker 1: all because I've Gabby Potito, the beautiful, beautiful girl. Please 649 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: in her name, help them, help us. Go to Gabbypotito 650 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: Foundation dot org and for starters you can send to 651 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 1: donate to the Laramie Security Project, a shelter for people 652 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: that need it so desperately. I don't know what is 653 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: to come. I don't know what will happen in the future, 654 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: but I do know this. I have two friends, and 655 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:20,800 Speaker 1: you're looking at them, Tara and Joe Potito. God speed, 656 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: my friends. Thank you, thank you for having us, Nay, 657 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: thank you, Nancy, Nancy Grace signing off, good night friend.