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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Hammer Territory podcast. My name is Sean Coleman.

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Speaker 1: Hope wherever you are and wherever you are listening, you

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Speaker 1: are having a great Monday evening into Tuesday morning. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Hammer Territory is a part of the foul Territory family

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Speaker 1: of podcasts. Make sure you check out all the great

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Speaker 1: content from the foul Territory family of podcasts, both the

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Speaker 1: team specific podcasts as well as the main podcast. So

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Speaker 1: much great content and coverage when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four MLB trade deadline, and finally an emergency podcast,

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Speaker 1: So finally awesome to be able to talk about a

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Speaker 1: significant move. And the even better thing about it involves

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Speaker 1: some familiar names. Is the Braves are welcoming back to Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: both Hoorge Selaire and Luke Jackson. And for this emergency podcast,

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Speaker 1: we wanted to get the band together, so both Scott

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Speaker 1: Coleman and Steven Tolbert are joining me to break down

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Speaker 1: all the perspectives when it comes to Hoorge Selaire and

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Speaker 1: Luke Jackson coming back to Atlanta. Scott, always a pleasure

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Speaker 1: to talk with you. How are you doing this evening, sir.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Sean I'm doing really well, buddy. I am glad

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Speaker 2: that we were able to finally get one of these

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Speaker 2: emergency podcasts, and as fate would have it, the news

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Speaker 2: officially broke just before midnight Eastern time, so here we

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Speaker 2: are deep into Monday night. But we of course wanted

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Speaker 2: to do one of these emergency shows for a pretty

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Speaker 2: big deal that not only is going to impact this year,

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Speaker 2: but years beyond.

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Speaker 1: And Steven, of course, you know me and you have

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Speaker 1: talked about I know Scott and Brad have talked about

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Speaker 1: it as well. Two weeks ago we did an in depth,

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Speaker 1: our long podcast about why the Braves had to make

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Speaker 1: a move for the outfield. We went through a ton

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Speaker 1: of different names. I went back and counted it over

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Speaker 1: fifteen different names were mentioned, but of course one that

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Speaker 1: wasn't wound up being the guy that the Braves went

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Speaker 1: to get. First off, it's good to talk with you

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Speaker 1: as always, But second off, yeah, we're bringing the band

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Speaker 1: back together, but a very interesting but also very intriguing

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Speaker 1: way of addressing the outfield needs by getting Jorge Selaire

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Speaker 1: returning to Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we didn't you know in our Outfield podcast.

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Speaker 3: I guess we didn't talk enough about DH's I guess that's,

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Speaker 3: you know, the blind spot we missed because Hoorge Zhilire

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Speaker 3: is not played. I don't think he's played any outfield

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four. He obviously played outfield for the

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Speaker 3: Braves in twenty twenty one. We're obviously gonna talk about

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Speaker 3: that tonight about where exactly he fits in. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, the Braves needed a bat, and you know,

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Speaker 3: we we're gonna talk about it all. But I think

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Speaker 3: I think it's not more complicated than that that that

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Speaker 3: Hilaric can get on base and he can hit, and

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Speaker 3: there's just too many guys in the Braves lineup that

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Speaker 3: can't do either one of those things. And you know,

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Speaker 3: there's there's details that we'll get to about, you know,

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Speaker 3: why San Francisco did this and why the Braves did this,

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Speaker 3: but I you know, on the thirty thousand foot surface level,

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Speaker 3: I think it's just the Braves needed another guy who

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Speaker 3: can hit the baseball, and Horace Hilaric can hit.

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Speaker 1: The baseball absolutely, So of course, the complete deal as

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Speaker 1: was broke by Jeff Bassan, you know, just about thirty

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Speaker 1: minutes ago, and the Braves official account confirmed the final

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Speaker 1: deal is hoege Ceilaire and Luke Jackson coming to the

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Speaker 1: Braves for Tyther Matzik and infielders, saving Sebalos who you know,

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Speaker 1: if you look at the various sites, was was kind

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Speaker 1: of in the fifteen to twenty range in terms of,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Braves prospects. What stands out about this

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Speaker 1: deal is that the Braves are basically taking on all

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Speaker 1: Luke Jackson. So by them taking on all that money,

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Speaker 1: Celaire being in the first year of a three year

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Speaker 1: deal with the Giants, the Braves taking all that money,

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Speaker 1: they minimize the prospect costs took on what's o to

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Speaker 1: we'll also get into in just a moment. But Scott

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Speaker 1: and Stephen, let's start off with initial reaction. Scott, you know, again,

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Speaker 1: obviously we knew that the Braves needed to make some

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Speaker 1: has continued to show that he is very lethal with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, on the sentimental side, it's fantastic to bring back

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Speaker 2: Jorge Solaire. Eddie Rosario at least as if we are talking,

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Speaker 2: as Steven outlined, Solaire's bat is still very good. Over

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Speaker 2: the last month, Solaire has been crushing the baseball and

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Speaker 2: on the whole his numbers are solid. But he is

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Speaker 2: past two or three seasons now. He has not played

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Speaker 2: would imagine he will play right field, given how truest

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Speaker 2: parks dimensions play. But at the same time, while there

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Speaker 2: are questions about his defense and maybe even a long

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Speaker 2: the Braves desperately needed an influx of offensive talent and

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Speaker 2: that's something that Solaia is going to bring. I would

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Speaker 2: imagine he will hit right in the middle of the order.

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Speaker 2: He gets on base at a good clip, He walks

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Speaker 2: And then the power, even if it isn't quite what

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Speaker 2: it's been in recent years, I would imagine getting away

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Speaker 2: it obviously is going to help things. Defensively, there are questions,

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Speaker 2: But at least for the very interim I think my

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Speaker 2: initial takeaway was honestly some surprise, because Solaire was really

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. And now I think the thing that kind of

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Speaker 1: most sense, you know, for the Braves. You know, of course,

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Speaker 1: next few years. You know the fact that he really,

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Speaker 1: you know, does not play out the outfield anymore. But

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Speaker 1: the other thing, Stephen, that stands out is is me.

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Speaker 1: You know me, and you have talked extensively about it.

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Speaker 1: The Brave's ability to hit right handed pitching is something

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Speaker 1: he had an incredible season at the plate in twenty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean just getting out of that ballpark. That's

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Speaker 3: where right handed power goes to diamonds, where all power

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Speaker 3: Solaire Celaire's go like a one to ten WRC plus

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Speaker 3: then there's no downside because I mean, you've you've given

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Speaker 3: But it does help. It does help against right handed pitching.

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Speaker 3: right field just because that's the smallest part of Truest Park.

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Speaker 3: So it'll be embarras see what he does in the

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Speaker 2: It's a great question, and I'm looking forward to see

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Stephen, speaking of that outfield alignment right now,

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Speaker 3: Well, the first part of that answer is we have

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Speaker 3: To answer your question in more of the spirit of

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Speaker 1: Obviously, Soelaire is the big, you know, thing to talk

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Curious note here from Mark Bowman, the very long

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Speaker 3: not always completely public knowledge that we have to kind

429
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 3: of guess on. So it's tough to say exactly where

430
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 3: they are to the dollar for that third tier. They

431
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 3: know and obviously they've done the math and but you know,

432
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 3: just looking at the numbers like that, the big financial

433
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 3: component to this is more about next year. You know,

434
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 3: Celeart makes you know, real money thirteen million in the

435
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Speaker 3: next two years. Luke Jackson's got a club option. I'm

436
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 3: guessing that won't be picked up. It's got a two

437
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,479
Speaker 3: million dollar buyout. But that means the Braves financial, uh,

438
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 3: they're not financially tied to him past this year. So,

439
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 3: like Scott said, this is mainly the whole whoy Hilart

440
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 3: trade and the thirteen million he makes the next two

441
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 3: years is kind of the big chunk of it what

442
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 3: they added on for twenty twenty four. While while it

443
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 3: is real money, it's not like crazy crazy money. And

444
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 3: there's still a way they could probably get under that

445
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 3: third tier luxury tax with some you know, with some

446
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 3: financial finaglings in it. And again we still have I

447
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 3: don't know how many you know, fourteen fifteen hours to

448
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 3: the trade deadline, so they could do more. But yeah,

449
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 3: this this trade is not as you know, when you

450
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,959
Speaker 3: see the numbers, three year, forty two million dollar contract.

451
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 3: You might think the Braves are adding like fifteen million

452
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 3: dollars to the payroll in this move for this year.

453
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 3: They're not. Really. They're adding about five probably around five

454
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 3: million total for the twenty twenty four and then the

455
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 3: big stuff comes, you know, twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six.

456
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: Well, and I'll open this question up to both of

457
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 1: y'all because it is at least an interesting aspect of

458
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: this trade. And that you know, again, two weeks ago

459
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: when we were talking about what potential outfield options the

460
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: Braves would go after, we had the whole discussion about

461
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: do you go with the rental or to keep things

462
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: kind of clean as far as your contracts go going

463
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: into twenty twenty five, or do you get a controllable piece.

464
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: We now know that they got a controllable piece, and

465
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 1: not only that, they got a controllable piece that you know,

466
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: with each passing year probably becomes a bit more of

467
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: a clear DH possibility. Well, now going into next year,

468
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: you've got so layer, You've got the ability to pick

469
00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:02,959
Speaker 1: up Marcello Zuna on a sixty million dollar contract, but

470
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: you also have Ronald Akunyu Junior returning and you don't

471
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: necessarily know where he's going to be in the field.

472
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: Don't spend too much time on it, because of course,

473
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: you know, it is the focus for this year. But

474
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: it is a very interesting aspect of this deal, having

475
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: Slayer as well as Ozuna and Akunya, along with Harrison Kilnick,

476
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: you know, going into twenty twenty five, Scott, just a

477
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: few thoughts that you have on Matt. It's certainly a

478
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: good problem to have, I think, but again it's it's

479
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: very interesting to see how it's all going to play out.

480
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely something that Alexandopolos and team are going to

481
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: have to figure out a couple of months from now.

482
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 2: As we kind of suspected with the current state of

483
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: the outfield trade market, it wasn't like there were two

484
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: dozen perfect fits for this team. I think in a

485
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: perfect world, sure you would have been able to add

486
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 2: a reliever or a reliever a rental who fixes all

487
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: of your problems. But frankly, I don't think that player

488
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: was on the market. Matter I I'm pretty confident that

489
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: player was not on the market, given how many other

490
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: outfielders have moved that the Braves feasibly could have been

491
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: on and decided to pass. It does create a bit

492
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 2: of a logjam for next season. Who knows what the

493
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 2: future holds for Solare and Ozuna. You know that whenever

494
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: he's healthy. Quite obviously, rond Accunya Junior is a focal

495
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: point of this organization, but we just don't know what

496
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 2: his knee is going to be like come April of

497
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Ozuna has been unbelievably good. Once again,

498
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 2: It's hard to fathom the Braves not having Ozuna picked

499
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: up for the twenty twenty five season with his team option.

500
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 2: And then so Lare is owed enough real money that

501
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: it's not like they can just send him off on

502
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: his own or just dump him on another salary dump.

503
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe they could do that, but that's easier

504
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: said than done. That is a long winded way of saying.

505
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: They have a glut of outfielders and potential dhs for

506
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 2: next year, and that is something that Alex will have

507
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: to start figuring out come, you know, hopefully November first,

508
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 2: after a deep playoff run.

509
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: And Steven, I'll throw it to you again. I know

510
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: that it is a lot of dhs. I know that

511
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: it's you know, something that he's got to figure out.

512
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: But also coming from the point of you know, hey, offense,

513
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: especially in this year, offense is something that's needed. I

514
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 1: don't think it's a bad thing to have too much offense,

515
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: but again, you know, just some odd fits. It's going

516
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: to be something that's you know, going to be interesting

517
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: to see play out. But I think that it's more

518
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: of a good problem than you know, something that you know,

519
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: they're not looking forward to taking on.

520
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and one thing I want to point out, and

521
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 3: it's not like the Braves are getting like gold Glove

522
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 3: caliber defense in the outfield right now with a group

523
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 3: they have, Like we've seen some horrendous outfield play from Duvall,

524
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 3: from Loriano, from Kellnick. Like like if Boris Hilaria is

525
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 3: not great out there, it's not going to be like

526
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 3: some major change for what we've seen in the last

527
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: few weeks. Like the Braves outfield has been essentially the

528
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 3: worst collection of players in baseball for that for that

529
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 3: position group at least, Like they've had the worst outfield

530
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 3: of baseball since a Kunya went down. So like, yeah, Celeire,

531
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: is he a perfect fit? Is he a great defender?

532
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: No?

533
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: But you know, the Braves have had plenty of really

534
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 3: poor you know, plenty of plays out in right field

535
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 3: lately that have been very poor. And on top of that,

536
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 3: you know, no one's hitting. So you know, if Claire hits,

537
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: then I think they're fine with it. And you know,

538
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: in terms of what Scott was talking about about next year, yes,

539
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 3: it doesn't fit like they're going to have to do something.

540
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: But there's plenty of time, I mean, and you know,

541
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: they could pick up Marcel's option and then trade him,

542
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 3: or they could, you know, if Solaire has a decent

543
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 3: stretch here with the Braves. You know, he's only got

544
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 3: two years and twenty six million left on his contract,

545
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,959
Speaker 3: that's nothing crazy. You could potentially trade him. Celtic might

546
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: be traded. I mean, there's a million things that could happen.

547
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 3: Like it does it all fit right now? No, But

548
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: it doesn't have to all fit right now. Kunya is

549
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 3: not coming back this year and Michael Harris is still

550
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 3: out and the Braves don't have a decent They basically

551
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: have like half a decent outfit on the roster right now.

552
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 3: So you know, those are problems for November and December

553
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 3: and January alics. It's got plenty of time to figure

554
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 3: that out. But right now they needed some They needed

555
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: somebody that can hit and stand in the outfield. And

556
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 3: so there can do that. And so I understand some

557
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: people are confused about like the fit and stuff. I

558
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 3: would just say he can hit and that's what the

559
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: Braves needed, and that's what they went and got.

560
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: So we knew the outfield was a big need for them.

561
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: You know, they they added a bullpen or we'll see,

562
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: you know what occurs when it comes to Luke Jackson.

563
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: You can definitely say they got plenty of depth in

564
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: their bullpen. So again I'll throw another question out to

565
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: each of you, what potential moves could be there left

566
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: for the Braves, because the one other thing that stands

567
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: out about this is, you know, saving Sebalos Again, he

568
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: was a top twenty prospect in the Brave system. But

569
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: the Braves still have all of their prospects in place

570
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: from a over farm system that we've seen multiple sources

571
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: over the past, you know, a few weeks kind of

572
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: say you know, hey, this is a better prospect system

573
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: than some may think. Do you think there's another significant

574
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: move maybe for another arm of some sort that the

575
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: Braves could go out and do do you think that

576
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: they pretty much, you know, taking care of what they needed.

577
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: Scott all through it to you first, what do you

578
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: think potentially we could see Alex and Thoppolis do over

579
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: the next let's see, sixteen or so hours before the

580
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: trade deadline comes tomorrow.

581
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: So I think at this point there's probably two areas

582
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: that Alex could address. And we should note on this

583
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: podcast that if you somehow missed it, the Braves got

584
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: fantastic news on Monday that Rinaldo Lopez is seemingly going

585
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: to be okay. He underwent an MRI after leaving the

586
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: game early on Sunday, and by all accounts, I mean,

587
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: he might be able to make a start next weekend.

588
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: And I know at least the three of us we

589
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: were in our slack chat going, man, this is just

590
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: another crushing blow for the Braves. So the fact that

591
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: Ronaldo Lopez seemingly avoided a serious injury is a huge deal.

592
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: If he really is healthy and if Max Freed is

593
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: really progressing the way that it seems like he is.

594
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: I don't think Alex is going to add anything to

595
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: the rotation, but just knowing that pictures can get injured

596
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: at literally any moment. It wouldn't shock me if he

597
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: goes out and adds a veteran to the rotation. Probably

598
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: not a high end starting pitcher, because there's just not

599
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: a ton of those available, but it wouldn't be a

600
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: surprise if he adds an innings eater. And then the

601
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: other area that could really stand to be upgraded would

602
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: be second base, na Cho Alvarez. It is just clearly

603
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: not ready right now. Wit Merrorfield was terrible with the Phillies,

604
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: so much so that they released him. So if the

605
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: Braves went out and traded for a middle infielder, it

606
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: would be something I would be in favor of. I

607
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: don't know how you feel about it, Steven, but to me,

608
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: I would imagine that maybe a starter, although I think

609
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: the chances are much lower now that Ronaldo is seemingly

610
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: healthy U And then I would be in favor of

611
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: trading for a second basement of some kind because that

612
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: middle endfield situation is pretty bleak.

613
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want a second basement for sure, because yeah,

614
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 3: I mean not sure. It's just not ready and it's

615
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: not a knock on him, He's just not ready. And

616
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: like you, said, Murfield's very much a bench player. If

617
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: that so, a second basement, definitely, I do. I don't

618
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 3: think they get a starter. I think the news with Ronaldo,

619
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 3: the good news with Max, the emergence of Swellenbach. Uh,

620
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: you know all of these minor league guys coming back,

621
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: aj waldrop Ian Anderson, you know, all of those guys

622
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: being back in Gwinnett and healthy. I think the Braves

623
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 3: can probably reasonably look at their rotation and their rotation

624
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 3: depth and feel like it's it's pretty good and it

625
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: you know, acquiring pitching is so expensive that you really,

626
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: you know, it has to be a need that's kind

627
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: of slapping you in the face for you to jump

628
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: into that market. So I don't think they're going to

629
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: do a starter, but yeah, second basement would be tremendous.

630
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: I mean, there's one in Tampa. We talked about it

631
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 3: last night. The Braves didn't use any of their top

632
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 3: prospects in this deal. I would love I would love

633
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 3: to do that deal. I don't know if it's gonna happen,

634
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: and probably not, but I would love it. And the

635
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 3: only other thing I'll say is they could still go

636
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: get another outfielder. I mean honestly, you know, you go

637
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 3: look at the active roster in the outfielders and the

638
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: names on that list. It's still rough. I mean it's

639
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: very rough, you know, and Solaire's probably gonna end up

640
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: replacing I don't know, Luke Williams or Loriano, but like

641
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 3: they could add another one if they wanted to. And

642
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: you know, he replaced somebody else that's on that list

643
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: right now. You know, Rosario hasn't been good, the wall

644
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 3: hasn't been good, Kelnick hasn't been good for a long time.

645
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: You know, the bench guys are pretty forgettable, so it

646
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised at all they added another outfielder. They

647
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 3: also might be done. We'll see. Getting another big bat

648
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: was the big thing, and they did that. So yeah,

649
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: the next it's fifteen sixteen. That was interesting. But I

650
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: agree with Scott, I think second base, some sort of

651
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: middle infield help. I think I think now jumps to

652
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 3: the top of my list of where I would be

653
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 3: looking for the next fifteen hours or so.

654
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: And the other fun thing, Scott, I want to get

655
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: your opinion on this. The other one thing that stands

656
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: out to me is that we can see we see

657
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: a continued trend. You know, when it comes to Alex Nthopolis,

658
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: sure he'll go out and get new guys who he'll

659
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: go out and address needs, you know, as he needs to.

660
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: You know that definitely master of the move on the

661
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: margins is definitely there. But another trend that we continue

662
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: to see Alex loves to run it back with players

663
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: that had been successful under his watch. You know, we

664
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: even saw it, you know, with Jose Patista and Josh Donaldson.

665
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: You know, he was there with they were there with

666
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: him in Toronto. They both came to Atlanta. Obviously Batista

667
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: didn't work out like Donaldson did, but Alex has this

668
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: trend of going back and getting guys who were successful

669
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. I definitely think it's a good thing because

670
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: he's getting guys that have had success before. But it's

671
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: just very very interesting that he's that he has this connection.

672
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: It goes back to I think some some you know,

673
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 1: people talk about at the clubhouse presence. He also wants

674
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: to bring in guys that he knows were very positive

675
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: impacts on the clubhouse. But I just think it's pretty cool,

676
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, to see just how much he loves to

677
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: run it back with guys who have been successful in

678
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: the past, you know, with his teams, and it's just

679
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: very interesting that, you know, now we're gonna have Jorge

680
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: Silaire in Atlanta for you know, possibly the next two

681
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: and a half years.

682
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that familiarity, which is obviously a comfort. And

683
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: clearly whatever the Braves did with Solaire following that trade

684
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, it worked. Solaire, I mean,

685
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: just set aside the postseason heroics, but he was very,

686
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: very good for them in the regular season. So I'm

687
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: sure it will be great to have him back in

688
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: the club house again. We've talked about the impact I

689
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: think he's going to have on the team offensively, and

690
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: just to add a player who has kind of been

691
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: through the battles of a postseason before at the very

692
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: highest levels. I don't know, some people probably swear by it,

693
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: Others say it's just, you know, another ballgame. But I

694
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 2: think at the end of the day, anytime you can

695
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: add a player who has been through the trials and

696
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: tribulations of a World Series run, not only once but

697
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 2: twice Solaire was with the Cubs, you know, I think

698
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: that's valuable in the clubhouse and I am sure whenever

699
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 2: he makes it to the team in the next couple

700
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: of days, there'll be a lot of hugs and high fives,

701
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: because clearly those guys who were still around from that

702
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: World Series team have a connection for life, and it

703
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: really was great just to kind of relive those memories tonight.

704
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: I know a lot of folks were posting videos of

705
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 2: the World Series run and it brought a big smile

706
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 2: to my face. So, yes, that familiarity, I'm sure is

707
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: something that Alex covets and and let's hope there's a

708
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: similar impact this time around.

709
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: Steven and the thoughts that you have on that.

710
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: No, I just think, I mean, he knows what he likes.

711
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: He likes good players, he likes good clubhouse guys. You know,

712
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 3: I think sometimes with so lair, like I think the

713
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: postseason stuff, I agree with Scott, I think the postseason

714
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 3: stuff kind of overshadows the fact that during the regular

715
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: season after they got him, he was a monster. Yeah,

716
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 3: like he you know, he he really fixed the problem

717
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: for the Braves when Acuna went down in twenty one

718
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 3: because he got on base. He had like a three

719
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 3: sixty on base percentage in the regular season. After they

720
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: got him. He walks a ton, and like that's another

721
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: huge hole on this team. Like they need on base.

722
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: They need somebody who can be on base. And even

723
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 3: this year, he's got an eleven percent walk rate. The

724
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: last month, he's got a fifteen percent walk rate. He's

725
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 3: got a you know, like a three forty on base

726
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 3: for the year. He's got like a three to eighty

727
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 3: on base in the last month. Like that that's massive,

728
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: even outside all the clubhouse stuff, like just getting like

729
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 3: stop making out's like get on base. Like the Braves

730
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: just need somebody on base in front of Riley and

731
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 3: Ozuna and Olsen. I mean that's why with Scott about

732
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: putting them at the leadoff spot, I think that's where

733
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 3: it's going to have the biggest impact. So yeah, I

734
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: understand people's reservations about the fit and right field and

735
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 3: DH and all that stuff, but I mean, they just

736
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: needed they needed somebody can get on base. They need

737
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 3: somebody could hit right handed pitching, and he can do

738
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 3: both of those things. And that's why I'm a fan

739
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 3: of the deal. They're gonna have to figure some stuff

740
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: out in the off season. They probably have to figure

741
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 3: some money stuff out, but again it's not my money.

742
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 3: If they're good spending it, then I'm good spending it.

743
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: And you know, Alice can figure out the roster stuff

744
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 3: in the off season, but he his right handed pitching

745
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: and can get on base, so I'm good with it.

746
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

747
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: I think that's what the biggest thing that it comes

748
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: back to is that you know, we talk about it,

749
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: and it's not just familiarity, right, it's really successful familiarity.

750
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: You needed offense, You needed someone that could add some

751
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: value when it came to getting no base. We know

752
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: that this team prioritizes power above all, and you found

753
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: a singular source that can help out in all those areas.

754
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: But to each of your points, and it's a great point.

755
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: He's added you in those areas at the highest level

756
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: back when the Braves were looking to make their playoff run.

757
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: So you know again that you know that quartet in

758
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: the middle of the Braves order. So there Ozuna, Riley

759
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: and Olsen. If you can find it where maybe heading

760
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: into September or in October, if then three or four

761
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: or all four of those guys are going, that's a

762
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 1: very formidable lineup to go along with hopefully of healthy

763
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: one of the best pitching staffs in baseball again, we

764
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: can get players back healthy. Not saying we're gonna be

765
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: the World Series favorites, but things could certainly look a

766
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: lot better than many may perceive they do now when

767
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 1: it comes to a playoff run for this team. But guys,

768
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: any final thoughts. I know that we need to, you know,

769
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: still see some some roster decisions made. Obviously, any more

770
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: potential moves will impact that. You know, we'll also need

771
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: to see Bryce Elder, you know, be added to the

772
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: roster tomorrow for him to make the start. But Scott

773
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: start with you. Any final thoughts when it comes to

774
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 1: another significant move when it came to alex in Thop

775
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: But I think at the end of the day, one

776
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: that makes a ton of sense and you just kind of,

777
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: you know, leave yourself smile and being like, you know, man,

778
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: he did it again. A creative way to go out

779
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: and get a beloved player that we know has been

780
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: successful here and one that could be here for multiple

781
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: years for future playoff runs.

782
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the next couple of days should be quite

783
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: busy just from a roster management perspective. There's going to

784
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: be a lot of coming and going and we will

785
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: see what Tuesday holds before the trade deadline hits again.

786
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: Six pm Eastern Time on Tuesday is the deadline, and

787
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: we'll see what the front office decides to ultimately do.

788
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: Hopefully we can do another one of these emergency podcasts

789
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: for a trade or maybe even two. But yes, the

790
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: Atlanta Braves right now are a better baseball team than

791
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 2: they were just a couple of hours ago. I'm excited

792
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: to have Jorge there, as we have talked. I like

793
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: the idea even more of him batting lead off with

794
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: the skills that he provides, and if he can provide

795
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 2: a jolt to this outfield offensively. You get Michael Harris

796
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: back in a couple of weeks, and who knows what

797
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: other additions but might be made in the next day.

798
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you just kind of rub your

799
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: eyes a little bit and go, Okay, this lineup looks

800
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: a lot better than it did with all the injuries.

801
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: The rotation, especially if you have good news on Rinaldo

802
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 2: and Freed, is obviously encouraging, and you kind of buy

803
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: low on a talented reliever in Luke Jackson and we'll

804
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: see if he makes any kind of impact. But on

805
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: the whole the Braves are a better team now than

806
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: they were, and I think you have to be excited

807
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: for that. And we'll see what the next day holds.

808
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: Steven, go get Brandon Laue. Go get Brandon Law. That's

809
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: what I want. Go get a second basement. Can you

810
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 3: imagine that top five if you had Solaire, Lao, Azun,

811
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 3: O'Reilly and Nelson.

812
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: I know we're getting deep into this podcast, but in Steven,

813
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: you have been one of the leaders on the Brandon

814
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: Lao train, but I'm happily on that same train with you.

815
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: He makes so much sense for this team. He does

816
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: so many things that this team does not do offensively.

817
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: And you're not kidding. If you could get Brandon Law

818
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: from Tampa, this lineup could suddenly go from a disaster

819
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 2: as it has been for most of the year, to

820
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 2: very very good in a hurry.

821
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 3: Hey yeah, bon Brandon Lowe's got a one thirty five

822
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 3: career WRC plus against right handed pitching. He plays second base,

823
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 3: he can play a little outfield. He's got two dirt

824
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: cheap options, plenty of time, plenty of control. You didn't

825
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 3: use any of your top prospects to do this deal.

826
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 3: I'm just saying. I'm just saying, if we're if we're

827
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 3: signing off with something, go get Brandon Law and see

828
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 3: if you can make a run at this thing, because

829
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 3: that lineup would be nasty. But yeah, this is cool.

830
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: This is a fun trade. I know I'm looking at

831
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: my mentions right now on Twitter. I know people are

832
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: very confused. They don't get to fit all that. But

833
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: I love this trade.

834
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: They got what.

835
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 3: They needed, they added in areas where they're deficient, and

836
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 3: it's gonna make a very interesting next fifteen hours because

837
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 3: now you know the pressure is off little bit. Alex

838
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: doesn't have to do anything. I still think they need

839
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: a second basement of some sort, but they don't have

840
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: to do that. They could probably figure something out, you know,

841
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 3: even if it's a smaller move of some sort. But

842
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: getting a big bat was kind of the big thing

843
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 3: and they've done that. So it'll make the next fifteen

844
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 3: hours interesting. But I like this move and I love

845
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 3: having Horey back, and yeah, it's gonna be fun.

846
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: To watch for anybody else who's who's considering it. You know,

847
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: if they really want to run the full band back together,

848
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna get Jock Peterson because Arizona's

849
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: still fully in it. Steven vote, he's not coming back

850
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: because he's managed in one of the best teams in

851
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: the American League. And while we may not get Guirmo

852
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: Heredia back, who's currently playing baseball in South Korea, Scott

853
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: that the Pink Swords may have to make another appearance.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that we need to get that going

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Speaker 1: again or do we need to come up with their

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Speaker 2: You know, I would love to have Guirmo and his

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Speaker 2: doing really well overseas, so good for him for getting

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Speaker 2: a chance to play. Well. Let's hope that this is

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Speaker 2: a big step in the right direction. This has been

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Speaker 2: a very frustrating season. It really has been for months

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Speaker 2: at this point. But anytime you can add and infuse

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Speaker 2: help things. So an exciting trade. Very very curious to

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Speaker 2: see what happens come trade deadline time. And yeah, boys,

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Speaker 2: this was a lot of fun. I'm glad we were

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Speaker 2: finally able to do an emergency podcast. As it is

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Speaker 2: one four am on the East Coast, so that is

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Speaker 2: the current operating So for all sounding a little delirious

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Speaker 1: Hey, but that's what makes it fun being able to

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Speaker 1: do this with Scott and Steven as well as Brad

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Speaker 1: and some variation of the Hammer Territory team. Will be

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Speaker 1: back with you doing another emergency podcast potentially later on,

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Speaker 1: hopefully not you know, in the next few hours, but tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We'll also do a recap obviously of everything as will

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Speaker 1: but for Scott Coleman at Scott Coleman fifty five on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: slash Chicks, Steven over at b Underscore Outliers on X.

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Speaker 1: My name is Sean Coleman. You can find me at

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Speaker 1: Stat's Sac. A lot of fun doing these podcasts, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun when we know we're doing them

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Speaker 1: about something that's going to make this Braves team better.

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Speaker 1: Until next time, Go Braves. We'll talk to you again

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Speaker 1: soon here on the Hammer Territory Podcast, part of the

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Speaker 1: Foul Territory family of podcasts.