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Speaker 1: On this episode of newts World. George Soros has had

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Speaker 1: a deep impact in modern politics, using his money to

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Speaker 1: buy power and to influence election outcomes. Using his billions,

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Speaker 1: Soros has influenced media, activist groups, colleges, local elections, presidential elections,

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Speaker 1: and even global elections. In his new book, The Man

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Speaker 1: Behind the Curtain, Inside the Secret Network of George Soros,

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Speaker 1: Matt Palumbo details Soros' extensive targeting of local races to

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Speaker 1: destroy law and order in America, How soros decades long

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Speaker 1: influence in Ukraine played a role in the impeachment hoax,

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Speaker 1: and what leaked documents from Soros's Open Society Foundation tell

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Speaker 1: us about their agenda and much more. I'm really pleased

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Speaker 1: to welcome back to the podcast, Matt Palumbo. Matt, thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining me. You know, the last time you were

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Speaker 1: on news World was on February third, twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: and we talked about your last book, Dumb and Dummer,

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Speaker 1: how Cuomo and Deblasio ruined New York. What made you

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Speaker 1: decide on sorrows as your next subject. Well, let's having

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Speaker 1: me back on. And you know, Saurus has always been

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Speaker 1: a sort of you know, I'll use the tertain boogeyman figure,

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Speaker 1: but not in a conspiratorial sense. I think it's actually

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Speaker 1: fine to describe him that way. But I've only really

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Speaker 1: known him more as influencing our national politics and in

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Speaker 1: the past, let's say decade, but it's really been more

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Speaker 1: noticeable the past two or three years. His infiltration of

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Speaker 1: local politics has been really changing the way the country functions,

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Speaker 1: particularly when it comes to law and order. And on

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Speaker 1: the left, we've seen this push for I mean, they

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Speaker 1: call it police reform. We're reimagining police, but it's really

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Speaker 1: imagining no police and having no bail and having really

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Speaker 1: the least strict penalties possible for certain crimes. And it's

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Speaker 1: one thing to go about that agenda food legislation, but

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Speaker 1: you can really bypass that with DA elections, because if

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Speaker 1: I haven't been in politics long enough to know if

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Speaker 1: of major cities. But now they're practically household names. We

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Speaker 1: have Jason Buden and San Francisco, and shoplifting has been

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Speaker 1: effectively legalize. You have people like Kim Gardner who would

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Speaker 1: during the whole Jesse Smile a incident. Actually, the longest

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Speaker 1: chapter in my book is called George Soros Goes Local,

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Speaker 1: and I just profile each and every one of these

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Speaker 1: underlying ideology is, and it's pretty much the same for

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Speaker 1: all of them. They're all just, you know, weak on crime.

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Speaker 1: They have this bizarre ideology where if a criminal does

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Speaker 1: of circumstance. And the chapter is only repetitive in that regard.

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Speaker 1: But and how that philosophy manifests itself and that insanity

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Speaker 1: I mean, why is he doing all this? Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because if you searched Soros's name on

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Speaker 1: The thing about Soros too, is he said his goal

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Speaker 1: But Saurus comes across more demonically, it seems to me

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Speaker 1: of as a civilized society. I mean your point about

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out why does he do And he

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Speaker 1: bail reform. You know, the problem is that there are thousands,

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Speaker 1: trained his son to basically follow on his footsteps. Yea,

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Speaker 1: for his sons to use. He also did make it

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Speaker 1: clear like initially he was worried that foundation tend to

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Speaker 1: idea I'm floating is I've been getting kind of annoyed

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Speaker 1: Dan mud Unit's Facebook page and like it seems like

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Speaker 1: once a month a fact checker will ding a post

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Speaker 1: of ours. Then we'll go through it and prove them

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Speaker 1: or so articles that are in the theme of fact

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Speaker 1: that are probably nonsense? So I'm thinking I'll do a

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Speaker 1: book fact Checks Exposed. They're fact checking the fact checkers,

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Speaker 1: but something to that at fact just how political is

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Speaker 1: and to people who are unaware of it. Facebook will

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Speaker 1: really a trojan horse. And if you're on Facebook, Facebook

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Speaker 1: they might decide okay, it'll appear in five percent of

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Speaker 1: their feeds. Well, if you post something that they determine

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Speaker 1: has been fact checked, they will throw outle that percentage

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Speaker 1: really fact checking either, just disagreeing. That's enough though for

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Speaker 1: them to ding your posts and throw out of your page,

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Speaker 1: and it could be for months. You're not reaching as

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Speaker 1: many people as you're supposed to, So I sort of

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Speaker 1: have a vendetta on these people and kind of want

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Speaker 1: to document how wrong they all are all the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because they actually kind of push the whole system downward.

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Speaker 1: Seems to me that they don't necessarily have to kick

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Speaker 1: you off the system. They just have to make sure

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Speaker 1: people aren't going to find you. Yeah. There's one example

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Speaker 1: checked his watch during the transfer of those thirteen soldiers

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Speaker 1: we lost in Cabul, and we of course got dang

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Speaker 1: some USA Today fact checker said it was wrong, so

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Speaker 1: we looked to it more and eventually the parents started

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Speaker 1: speaking out. It turns out we were only wrong that

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Speaker 1: he checked us wats once, he checked it thirteen times,

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Speaker 1: and the fact checker was trying to claim he never

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Speaker 1: did it at all, and it was afterwards. So it

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Speaker 1: turns out like the fact checker was technically right that

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Speaker 1: we were wrong, but it was more against him than

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Speaker 1: he thought. And we have three dozen ors of examples

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Speaker 1: that are just this comical. Wow. Listen, I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you. I think the work you're doing is very important,

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Speaker 1: and I think you have really found a niche where

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Speaker 1: you can be a very effective explainer of systems that

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Speaker 1: really are a threat to us. And this book, The

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Speaker 1: Man Behind the Curtain Inside the Secret Network of George

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Speaker 1: Source is another one in that tradition. And I hope

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Speaker 1: that when you get done with your next great book,

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Speaker 1: you'll come back and join us again. Absolutely, yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: have to come back. Thank you to my guest Matt Palumbo.

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Speaker 1: You can get a link to buy his new book,

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Speaker 1: The Man Behind the Curtain Inside the Secret Network of

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Speaker 1: George Sorrows on our show page at newtsworld dot com.

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