WEBVTT - S04 Episode 17: Appearing is Being (Pt.2 of 2)

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to unexplained. Season four, episode seventeen, appearing is

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<v Speaker 1>being part two of two. The night was still safe

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<v Speaker 1>for the ghostly clanking of the boats in the harbor

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<v Speaker 1>as they bulbed gent up and down in the ice

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<v Speaker 1>cold water. Up above, thick dark clouds swirled as a

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<v Speaker 1>ceaseless barrage of snow fell steadily onto everything in sight.

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<v Speaker 1>From opposite the harbor, the doors of the half naf

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<v Speaker 1>Chudda town hall swung open, rupturing for a moment the

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<v Speaker 1>silence of the sleepy Icelandic fishing town with a blast

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<v Speaker 1>of ecstatic rock music. Eighteen year old Guthmunda Insen and

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<v Speaker 1>his friend stumbled out of the doorway into the snow

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<v Speaker 1>as the door whipped shut behind them, muffling the music

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<v Speaker 1>from inside. Laughing together, Kuthmunda took a swig from a

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<v Speaker 1>bottle of brandy while his friend lit up a cigarette

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<v Speaker 1>and gazed out across the harbor for a moment before

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<v Speaker 1>the pair of them disappeared into the snow elsewhere and

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<v Speaker 1>half Nafudda. That night, just around the corner from the harbor,

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<v Speaker 1>Urtler was returning to her flat since her boyfriend Cyvar,

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<v Speaker 1>who had the only key, wasn't in. Ergler made her

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<v Speaker 1>way to the basement window, prized it open, and carefully

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<v Speaker 1>squeezed herself into the apartment. Stumbling toward her bed, she

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<v Speaker 1>collapsed on to it, exhausted. Some time later, Ergler was

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<v Speaker 1>awoken by the sound of voices in the apartment. Getting

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<v Speaker 1>up to investigate, she traced them to the storage room,

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<v Speaker 1>where she discovered Civar, his friend Christian, and another man

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<v Speaker 1>carrying something heavy in a fetid sheet. She watched as

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<v Speaker 1>they placed it on the floor, and Civar and Christian

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<v Speaker 1>tied each end into a knot. Though she couldn't see

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<v Speaker 1>what was in it, She had the horrible sense that

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<v Speaker 1>it was a body. It was only then that Christian

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<v Speaker 1>saw Urgler standing in the doorway. Angered by her presence,

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<v Speaker 1>he ordered the others to pick up the bundle, and

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<v Speaker 1>together they bashed past Ergler and disappeared out of the apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>Civar returned moments later and told Ergler, under no uncertain terms,

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<v Speaker 1>never to breathe a word of what she had just

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<v Speaker 1>seen to anyone, and then left again. Confused and scared,

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<v Speaker 1>Ergler went back to bed and eventually fell asleep. The

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<v Speaker 1>next morning, she noticed a bedsheet at the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>the rubbish been outside that was covered in fieces Ergla

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<v Speaker 1>sat back and waited for a response from the three

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<v Speaker 1>men sat opposite her, investigating Magistrate orn Hoskuldsen, Detective Sigibune Eggertson,

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<v Speaker 1>and Detective Eggart Janissen, but it was already clear from

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<v Speaker 1>the look on their faces that this answer had been

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<v Speaker 1>far more satisfactory. Over the next six hours, as the

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<v Speaker 1>detectives dug into the specifics, suggesting other possibilities to Urdler,

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<v Speaker 1>they finally had a statement they were happy with. After

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<v Speaker 1>thanking the young woman for contributing to justice. Os Gooldsen

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<v Speaker 1>told her she was now free to go, vowing that

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<v Speaker 1>she would no doubt sleep peacefully, knowing the real truth

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<v Speaker 1>was now out. That afternoon, Urdler was released and returned

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<v Speaker 1>home to her baby Julia, But the real nightmare had

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<v Speaker 1>only just begun, and Urdler would not be awakening from

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<v Speaker 1>this one anytime soon. Having been placed back in solitary confinement,

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<v Speaker 1>Urdler had laid down on the thin mattress and gazed

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<v Speaker 1>up at the ceiling as the light slowly ebbed away.

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<v Speaker 1>Alone in the pitch black, Urdler thought hard about that night,

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<v Speaker 1>trying desperately to make solid any of the half formed

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<v Speaker 1>images that were swirling about in the stuttering zeotrope of

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<v Speaker 1>her mind. She had read once before that trauma could

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<v Speaker 1>affect memory. Maybe she really had suppressed what actually took place.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe the men really had been in her apartment, as

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<v Speaker 1>her scoldson suggested, and maybe it was them who put

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<v Speaker 1>the sheet in the bin and not her. In the end,

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<v Speaker 1>Urdler had decided just to give them what they wanted,

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<v Speaker 1>a plausible version of a truth, anything to see her

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<v Speaker 1>three month old baby again. Later that afternoon, a bleary

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<v Speaker 1>eyed Cyvar was dragged from his cell and taken to

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<v Speaker 1>the corner interview room. Having been re arrested a few

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<v Speaker 1>days before, he'd been questioned numerous times about the post

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<v Speaker 1>office scam, denying everything before the officers shifted their focus

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<v Speaker 1>on to GUTHMUNDA. Ineson's disappearance, but Civar had been utterly bamboozled,

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<v Speaker 1>telling them that he had absolutely nothing to do with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oskoldsen threw some papers towards Cyvar and told him to

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<v Speaker 1>read them. Civar seemed confused, so Hoskoldsen saved him the

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<v Speaker 1>trouble and detailed to him exactly what Erdler had told

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<v Speaker 1>them only hours before. Cyvar was dumb struck. It just

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't true, he insisted, But as the officers explained just

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<v Speaker 1>how bad this looked for him, his own partner, placing

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<v Speaker 1>him not only at the scene of the crime, but

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<v Speaker 1>as perhaps one of its main instigators. How did he

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<v Speaker 1>think the courts might see it? Did he really expect

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<v Speaker 1>them to side with the drug dealing, feckless young man

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<v Speaker 1>who'd spent time growing up in care or the young

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<v Speaker 1>woman whose only focus in life was to protect and

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<v Speaker 1>look after the child that he barely even acknowledged, not

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<v Speaker 1>that they were in any rush to get to the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of it. After all, they'd already had a court

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<v Speaker 1>order to keep him in solitary confinement for the next

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<v Speaker 1>forty days, and it wouldn't be difficult to ask for

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<v Speaker 1>a few more. And soon Civar was beginning to question

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<v Speaker 1>his memories of that night too. After another six hour interrogation,

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<v Speaker 1>as plumes of thick cigarette smoke swirled about the room,

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<v Speaker 1>Civar shifted uncomfortably in his seat and began to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>It had been late in the evening when he returned

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<v Speaker 1>to the apartment in harn Afterda, having just got back

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<v Speaker 1>from a trip abroad to buy hash. He remembered his

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<v Speaker 1>friends Christian Vdersen and Trigg v Leeson came over to

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<v Speaker 1>see him, and that the three of them had hung

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<v Speaker 1>out for a short while. At some point, though he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know who invited him, Gudmunda Ineson had joined them too.

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<v Speaker 1>That had been a discussion about buying alcohol, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was decided that Gudmunda should pay for it, but when

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<v Speaker 1>he refused to, a fight broke out. The next thing

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<v Speaker 1>they knew, good Wunda was dead. Though it had been

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<v Speaker 1>an accident, He Christian and Triggviy decided in fear to

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<v Speaker 1>dispose of the body and try their best to cover

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<v Speaker 1>it up. Since they didn't have a car, Civar called

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<v Speaker 1>his friend Albert Scaffson to pick them up. When he

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<v Speaker 1>arrived soon after, they placed the body in the boot

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<v Speaker 1>of his car and dumped it down a crevasse somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>in the lava fields just south of half an Alford,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was everything he could remember. Later that afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>having returned to her mother's home, Hurdler broke down in

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<v Speaker 1>tears at the sight of her baby, taking her into

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<v Speaker 1>her arms for the first time in over a week.

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<v Speaker 1>At night, she will lie awake, replaying the days earlier

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<v Speaker 1>events and over in her head as strange and confused

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<v Speaker 1>flashbacks from the night of Guthmunder's disappearance echoed throughout her mind.

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<v Speaker 1>She'd given the detectives what they wanted, making up the

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<v Speaker 1>first version that seemed to make sense, But now when

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<v Speaker 1>she thought hard about it, with so many versions of

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<v Speaker 1>the story in her mind, she was no longer quite

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<v Speaker 1>sure what she had made up and what she hadn't.

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<v Speaker 1>At least, she thought all they had was a story

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<v Speaker 1>without a body or any other evidence, surely they would

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<v Speaker 1>have no choice but to let Civar go. For a start,

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<v Speaker 1>with their apartment block being as small as it was,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no way a fight could have broken out

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<v Speaker 1>that night without the neighbors having heard it. But the

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<v Speaker 1>police never spoke to the neighbors to find out. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>armed with what they believed to be two solid confessions

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<v Speaker 1>born Hoskuldson's team moved fast. Within days had Christian, Triggvie,

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<v Speaker 1>and Albert all under arrest and placed in solitary confinement.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty year old Christian, who was brought over from another

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<v Speaker 1>prison where he was already serving time for theft. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>known good munder back from when they were both at

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<v Speaker 1>school together, but as he repeatedly insisted to the frustrated

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<v Speaker 1>police officers, contrary to Ertler and Cyvar's statement, he had

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with his disappearance. After hours of interrogation,

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<v Speaker 1>he remained resolute, eventually refusing to answer any more questions

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<v Speaker 1>without a lawyer present in response, while Scoldson presented Earler

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<v Speaker 1>and Cyvar's signed statements to the nation's High Court and

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<v Speaker 1>successfully argued to have Christian remanded in solitary confinement for

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<v Speaker 1>another ninety days. Next up was twenty four year old

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<v Speaker 1>triggvi Like Civar and Christian, Triggvie had been in and

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<v Speaker 1>out to prison for various petty crimes and was well

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<v Speaker 1>versed in the mechanations of the law. Like Christian, he

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<v Speaker 1>too maintained that he hadn't been at Urdin's flat on

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<v Speaker 1>the night in question. He too was remanded in custody

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<v Speaker 1>and placed in solitary confinement for a minimum of ninety days,

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<v Speaker 1>in the hope that he might better remember the events

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<v Speaker 1>of that night. Albert was the last to be picked up.

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<v Speaker 1>He was different from the others, having come from a

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<v Speaker 1>more academic background, his father being a member of the

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<v Speaker 1>Icelandic Symphony Orchestra. A big weed smoker, Albert had been

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<v Speaker 1>smoking for some time when the police arrived at his

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<v Speaker 1>apartment to arrest him. Unused to interrogation procedures and with

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<v Speaker 1>no lawyer present, it wasn't long before the insistent investigators

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<v Speaker 1>began to get under his skin as they pressed harder

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<v Speaker 1>and harder, telling him how they knew he was involved

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<v Speaker 1>and what he'd done that night, making it very clear

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<v Speaker 1>how much trouble he was in and how much worse

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<v Speaker 1>it might get should he not comply. Finally, Albert began

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<v Speaker 1>to talk, confirming Civar's statement that he'd received his call

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<v Speaker 1>late that night. He recounted how he pulled up to

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<v Speaker 1>Saivar and Erdler's apartment in his dad's yellow Toyota and

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<v Speaker 1>sat in the dim sodium glow of a nearby streetlight,

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<v Speaker 1>watching through the rear view mirror as Civar, Christian and

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<v Speaker 1>Trygvey placed something heavy in the boot of his car.

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<v Speaker 1>They then ordered him to drive out to the lava fields,

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<v Speaker 1>where he assumed they dumped the body. Thirty minutes later,

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<v Speaker 1>Albert was driven out to the Raikivik Peninsula and to

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<v Speaker 1>the lava fields just south of Half Naftyuda in the

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<v Speaker 1>hope that he might be able to recollect exactly where

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<v Speaker 1>they'd stopped that night. However, forty five minutes Albert had

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<v Speaker 1>seen nothing that he recognized. He was taken immediately back

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<v Speaker 1>to Siddamuli Prison and remanded in custody for another forty

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<v Speaker 1>five days. At night, alone in their cells, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a constant battle to get to sleep, as each endless

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<v Speaker 1>minute dissolved into the next with the sound of distant

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<v Speaker 1>waves crashing against rocks. On the shoreline their only sense

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<v Speaker 1>of the outside world. All notions of reality were fast

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<v Speaker 1>becoming unstable. Perhaps they really had been there, they thought,

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly confronted with the uncertainty of their own paths. But no,

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<v Speaker 1>they would keep telling themselves they knew they hadn't done it. Angered,

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<v Speaker 1>scared and confused, most of them would go days without

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<v Speaker 1>any rest at all, sometimes being kept up deliberately by

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<v Speaker 1>the guards under instruction to keep them on their toes.

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<v Speaker 1>Some nights, voices could be heard coming from the cells

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<v Speaker 1>as the prisoners talk to themselves, and all were given

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<v Speaker 1>numerous drugs to help calm them down. As nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>six dawned, though they had some fairly incriminating statements, Ornhoskoldsen's

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<v Speaker 1>team were yet to find any concrete evidence linking any

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<v Speaker 1>of their suspects to Gudmunda's murder, and as each suspect

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<v Speaker 1>was confronted and reconfronted with each other's supposed version of events,

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<v Speaker 1>soon the accounts of what actually took place that night

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<v Speaker 1>began to morph and mutate. A new account by Ciba

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<v Speaker 1>had him as an innocent bystander caught up in Christian

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<v Speaker 1>and triggvi's nefarious schemes, with Christian delivering the fatal blow

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<v Speaker 1>to Gudmunda and Albert later arriving in a Volkswagen not

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<v Speaker 1>at Toyota. When told this new account by investigators, Christian

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<v Speaker 1>finally appeared to crack, telling the officers he had been

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<v Speaker 1>there after, but in fact it was him who was

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<v Speaker 1>the innocent bystander, too stoned out of his mind to

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<v Speaker 1>have done anything with Civar and trigg V killing Guthmunda

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<v Speaker 1>in a vicious fight. After twenty two hours of questioning,

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<v Speaker 1>trig V two appeared to crack, only in his version

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<v Speaker 1>it was Christian and Civar who'd beaten Guthmunda to death,

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<v Speaker 1>though he had no recollection of where exactly it had

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<v Speaker 1>taken place. Are you always taking care of your family?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you often take care of others and not yourself?

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's time to take care of yourself, to make

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<v Speaker 1>time for you. You deserve it. TELEODOC gives you access

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<v Speaker 1>slash Unexplained Podcast. Back at Earthless Mother's house, Earthler was

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<v Speaker 1>puzzled as to why Civar and his friends had not

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<v Speaker 1>yet been released. A few days later, detective Sigibu and

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<v Speaker 1>Eggerson called at the property to let her know that

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<v Speaker 1>she had nothing more to worry about. The others had

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<v Speaker 1>confessed to the murder. Urgler sat dumfounded for a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to take it in. So it hadn't been a

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<v Speaker 1>dream after all. She thought they really had been there,

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<v Speaker 1>but Urgler was at a loss to explain it. Over

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<v Speaker 1>the next few weeks, Detective Eggutson would make a number

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<v Speaker 1>of visits to Ergler's mother's house to check up on Urdler, who,

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<v Speaker 1>with Civar in custody and few friends to call on,

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<v Speaker 1>was thankful for his support. At one point, Ergler asked

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<v Speaker 1>if Eggutsson would escort her to get some clothes from

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<v Speaker 1>her apartment in Hanaf Judah, the place having been sealed

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<v Speaker 1>off as a crime scene ever since her arrest. Eggertsson

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<v Speaker 1>was happy to oblige and offered to take her there

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<v Speaker 1>himself while she gathered what she needed. Eggertson surprised her

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<v Speaker 1>with an unexpected question. Had she ever heard of geffener Inesen,

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<v Speaker 1>he asked, the man who disappeared mysteriously back in November

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<v Speaker 1>of the previous year, Yes, she said, Like many people,

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<v Speaker 1>she'd watched the reports about it on the news. Then

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<v Speaker 1>Eggittson asked her, was there any chance that Cyvar had

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<v Speaker 1>something to do with his disappearance? Taken aback, Burgler thought

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<v Speaker 1>for a moment, trying to remember that night that she

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<v Speaker 1>and Cyber had heard about it on the news, and

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<v Speaker 1>how blase he'd seemed about it. The question seemed innocent enough,

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<v Speaker 1>and Eggertson had been so kind to her that she

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<v Speaker 1>thought it at least worth, mentioning what Cyva had said

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<v Speaker 1>that night, that Geffener had obviously said something out of

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<v Speaker 1>line and be murdered for it. Later, when Detective Eggertson

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<v Speaker 1>dropped her back at her mother's, Urdler insisted that Cyva

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't meant anything by the comment and asked if they

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<v Speaker 1>could keep it between the two of them as friends.

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<v Speaker 1>The next day, there was a knock at the door.

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<v Speaker 1>Urdler opened it to find Detective Eggittson standing there next

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<v Speaker 1>to another man she recognized all too well, Investigative Magistrate

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<v Speaker 1>Orn Hoskoldsen. Referring to what Urtler had told Eggotson only

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<v Speaker 1>the day before, Hoskoldsen explained that he had reason to

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<v Speaker 1>believe that she had experienced another trauma regarding Geffner Einesen,

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<v Speaker 1>and once again he wanted to help her to remember.

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<v Speaker 1>For whatever reason, Orn Hooskoldsen's team had come to regard

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<v Speaker 1>Civar as the focal point of their investigation. Head of

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<v Speaker 1>Customs Christian Petersen, who'd long had his own suspicions about him,

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<v Speaker 1>had also been pushing his theories about Civar. It was

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<v Speaker 1>his belief that Geffner Einesen's disappearance had in some way

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<v Speaker 1>been connected to an alcohol smuggling ring that he had

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<v Speaker 1>reason to believe Civar might have been involved with. Two

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<v Speaker 1>Petersen had also been running checks on any individuals who

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<v Speaker 1>left the country around the time of Geffner's disappearance. It

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<v Speaker 1>just so happened that only days after Geffenner was last

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<v Speaker 1>seen at the Harbor Cafe in Kevlovich, Cyvar and Erler

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<v Speaker 1>fled to Denmark. In late January nineteen seventy six, a

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<v Speaker 1>wholly disorientated Cyvar was pulled out a solitary confinement and

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<v Speaker 1>asked if he knew Geffenner Einesen like everyone else. He

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<v Speaker 1>explained he'd heard about him on the news, but nothing more.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Hoskoldsen slipped a piece of paper in front of him.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed innocuous at first, a story from Erdler recounting

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<v Speaker 1>how her half brother Einar had orchestrated a pyramid scheme

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<v Speaker 1>that resulted in him and his friends receiving numerous free

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<v Speaker 1>bottles of whisky to the police. However, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>vital thread. Einar a friend of Voldemir Olsen's brother of

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<v Speaker 1>Erla's friend Holder, who was in turn a friend of

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<v Speaker 1>Magnus Leah Poldsen, the manager of Klubrin nightclub in Reikyovik,

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<v Speaker 1>the man who some police suspected of making the corps

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<v Speaker 1>that had summoned Geffner Esen to the Harbor Cafe and

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<v Speaker 1>Kevlovich before he disappeared. Ainah had always been suspicious and

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<v Speaker 1>dismissive of Civar. At one point early in his and

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<v Speaker 1>Erdler's relationship, Einah had even convinced his father to sell

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<v Speaker 1>his apartment in half Nafjorda, where Erdler lived, in an

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to disrupt the relationship. So when Herskoldson presented Civar

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<v Speaker 1>with this new story, he saw an opportunity to get

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<v Speaker 1>his revenge. He had been with geffenner Essen that night

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<v Speaker 1>he disappeared, after all, he told the police, and Aina

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<v Speaker 1>had been there too that afternoon. He went on to

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<v Speaker 1>recount how on the night of Geffner's disappearance, Aina Bolason,

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<v Speaker 1>Magnus Leopoldsen and Voldemir Olsen had picked him up from

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<v Speaker 1>his mother's house and taken him to Kevlevik, where soon

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<v Speaker 1>after they met up with Geffner. While Magnus and Voldemar

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<v Speaker 1>accompanied Geffner out onto the water to retrieve a shipment

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<v Speaker 1>of alcohol. Einer and Civar were told to wait for them.

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<v Speaker 1>After driving round Kevlevik for an hour, they returned to

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<v Speaker 1>the harbor to find only Magnus and Voldemar waiting for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Looking distressed, Geffner had somehow fallen overboard and drowned. Oskoldsen

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<v Speaker 1>ordered the officers to bring Urtler back in for questioning immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, she insisted she had no knowledge of where

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<v Speaker 1>Civar had apparently been that night, But slowly she began

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<v Speaker 1>to open up to the officers, and soon the story

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<v Speaker 1>was morphing again. Yes, Civa had been there, she said,

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<v Speaker 1>but so had she. In fact, it was her who'd

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<v Speaker 1>accompanied Cyvar and Magnus Leopoldsen to Kevlevich, not Einar and Voldemar,

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<v Speaker 1>and christ Jan had been there too, waiting at the

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<v Speaker 1>harbor when they arrived, alongside Aina and Geffena. The last

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<v Speaker 1>thing she remembered was seeing a fight break out and

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<v Speaker 1>running away, scared to hide in a derelict building nearby.

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<v Speaker 1>Next christ Jan was pulled out a solitary and told

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<v Speaker 1>to explain his whereabouts that night. So Weary and scrambled

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<v Speaker 1>by sleeping pills and anxiety suppressants, he was barely able

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<v Speaker 1>to string a sentence together. However, despite first denying any involvement,

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<v Speaker 1>by the end of the interview, Christian had placed himself

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<v Speaker 1>at the scene with a vague account of large boats

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<v Speaker 1>silhouetted in a dimly lit dock and the cases of

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<v Speaker 1>people that may or may not have been there. Irritated

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<v Speaker 1>by his incomprehensible statement, the police sent him back to

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<v Speaker 1>his cell to think a little harder about that night

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<v Speaker 1>and turned their attentions to Einar Magnus and Voldemar. Thankfully,

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<v Speaker 1>for Triggviy, he had a cast iron alibi for the

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<v Speaker 1>knight of Geffenner's disappearance, and so for the next few

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<v Speaker 1>months was more or less forgotten about, left to stew

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<v Speaker 1>alone in his cell while hos Gooldsen's team concentrated on

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<v Speaker 1>the Geffener case. Sadly, for them, despite the apparent witness

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<v Speaker 1>statements from Earler, Saivar and Christian, neither Eina Magnus of

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<v Speaker 1>Voldemar were so easily swayed. Each denied emphatically that they'd

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<v Speaker 1>been anywhere near Kevlevik harbor on the night in question.

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<v Speaker 1>Much less were involved in Geffener's disappearance. All had strong

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<v Speaker 1>alibis too, Regardless, Thus Goldson's team once again convinced the

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<v Speaker 1>courts to keep them in custody and were all duly

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<v Speaker 1>placed in solitary confinement. Since the turn of the new year,

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<v Speaker 1>news of the investigation had been steadily drip fed to

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<v Speaker 1>the media, and by March the nation was gripped. For

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<v Speaker 1>a country not used to reading about violent crimes on

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<v Speaker 1>its own doorstep, the fact that good Munder's and Geffener's

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<v Speaker 1>disappearances might not only be the result of murder but

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<v Speaker 1>could also be linked was especially thrilling. That a small

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<v Speaker 1>group of what were effectively kids might be involved was

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<v Speaker 1>all the more titillating. Focus inevitably turned to Urdler and

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<v Speaker 1>Civar's relationship, with many reporters keen to portray Saivar as

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<v Speaker 1>Iceland's own version of Charles Manson, with Erdler his ever

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<v Speaker 1>faithful disciple. In March, born Hos Goodsen held a press

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<v Speaker 1>conference detailing his team's latest findings. Civar, Christian Tryg v

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<v Speaker 1>Albert Einar Magnus Voldemar, and Erdler were all implicated in

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<v Speaker 1>the supposed murder of either Guthmunda or Gefferson, and in

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<v Speaker 1>some cases both. Over the next few months, the police,

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<v Speaker 1>having begun to suspect that Geffener's body had also been

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<v Speaker 1>dumped somewhere in the lava fields, scoured every inch of

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<v Speaker 1>the area for any sign of that or Guthmunder's body,

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<v Speaker 1>but found nothing, nor did they find anything in Erdler

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<v Speaker 1>and Civar's flat to incriminate any of the suspects. Becoming

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<v Speaker 1>increasingly desperate, they continued to bring each of the suspects

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<v Speaker 1>out to the apparent scene of the crime in the

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<v Speaker 1>hope of jogging their memory as to where the bodies were.

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<v Speaker 1>Christian was even made to re enact a possible version

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<v Speaker 1>of Geffener's murder, but none of it brought any real

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<v Speaker 1>evidence to light. In May, Ertler was brought back in

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<v Speaker 1>for questioning, and by the following day her story had

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<v Speaker 1>changed again. Not only had she seen Geffera killed, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was her that had killed him, shooting him with

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<v Speaker 1>the rifle that Civer had handed to her on the night.

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<v Speaker 1>A few days later, with the combination of good legal

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<v Speaker 1>representation and their solid alibis, the police were forced to

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<v Speaker 1>let Einar, Voldemar and Magnus go. Each had been kept

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<v Speaker 1>for a hundred and five days in solitary confinement, with

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<v Speaker 1>not one shred of evidence connecting them to either Guthmunda

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<v Speaker 1>or Gefferson's disappearance. Not one of them would fully recover

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<v Speaker 1>from the ordeal, with many thanks to the reports and

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<v Speaker 1>the press continuing to suspect that perhaps they had been

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<v Speaker 1>involved after all. Now without a driver for the narrative

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>of how Civar, Ler and Christian had met Geffener at

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<v Speaker 1>Keflevik Harbor, the police swiftly arrested Civar's old drug smuggling companion,

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<v Speaker 1>Gujean Skephardinson, kept under similar circumstances to the other suspects,

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<v Speaker 1>Gudjohn would too, eventually confess to assisting in the murder

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<v Speaker 1>of Geffner Einesen. Throughout the summer of nineteen seventy seven,

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<v Speaker 1>all suspects were brought before the High Court to give

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<v Speaker 1>their testimonies regarding Guthmunder and Gefferson's apparent murders in December,

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<v Speaker 1>despite not having a single piece of evidence to support it,

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<v Speaker 1>save for the various and conflicting confessions, all of which

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<v Speaker 1>each defendant would retract at one point or another. The

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<v Speaker 1>High Court of Iceland found Civar Christian trygv Gujon, Albert

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<v Speaker 1>and Erdler all guilty for being involved in the murder

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<v Speaker 1>of Guthmunder een and Geffenner Einesen, having both spent over

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred and fifty days in solitary confinement. Chris Jane

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<v Speaker 1>and Triggvie were sentenced to sixteen and thirteen years, respectively. Gudjohn,

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<v Speaker 1>having eventually been kept for four hundred and twelve days

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<v Speaker 1>in solitary confinement, was sentenced to twelve years. Albert Scafteson

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<v Speaker 1>was given only twelve months, since it was decided that

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<v Speaker 1>he'd only helped to barry Guthmunder's body. For her part, Earthler,

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<v Speaker 1>having spent two hundred and forty one days in solitary

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<v Speaker 1>confinement being questioned over a hundred times, was sentenced to

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<v Speaker 1>three years for perverting the course of justice. Siva Sizelski,

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<v Speaker 1>the perceived ringleader of the group, would spend almost seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty days in solitary confinement and was sentenced

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<v Speaker 1>to seventeen years in prison. Having been young when they

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<v Speaker 1>were convicted or suspect served out their sentences and did

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<v Speaker 1>their best to rejoin society afterwards, and or claimed that

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<v Speaker 1>they had been completely innocent of the crimes. On his release,

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<v Speaker 1>Civar began a very public campaign to have their convictions quashed,

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<v Speaker 1>claiming that they'd all been coerced, in many cases violently

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<v Speaker 1>into confessing. In nineteen ninety seven, the High Court decided

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<v Speaker 1>against reopening the case, claiming there was no new evidence

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<v Speaker 1>to do so. However, many including then Prime Minister David Odson,

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<v Speaker 1>believed grave mistakes had been made and there was good

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:43.760
<v Speaker 1>reason to believe the convictions had been unsound. In two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and nine, Trygvey died of cancer. He is said

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<v Speaker 1>to have protested his innocence even on his deathbed. The

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<v Speaker 1>case was once more in the public eye. By then, Civar,

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<v Speaker 1>who despite everything that had happened to him, had retained

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:03.160
<v Speaker 1>much of the charm and charisma of his younger self,

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<v Speaker 1>had become something of a minor celebrity. However, the years

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<v Speaker 1>of battling for justice had taken their toll. Civar would

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<v Speaker 1>eventually find himself homeless and heavily dependent on alcohol in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eleven, By then living in Copenhagen, he

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<v Speaker 1>fell from a tree that he'd been camping in and

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<v Speaker 1>died from his injuries, With his death prompting a renewed

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<v Speaker 1>interest in the case. Along with the growing body of

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<v Speaker 1>evidence to support the reality of false confessions, the state

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutor finally began a formal investigation into the convictions. In

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<v Speaker 1>Albert Scarfteson, and Gudjohn Scarfettensen were finally acquitted and their

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