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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth. Lazar, Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined.

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Speaker 2: Us always by our bark. Here is Evan Lazar and.

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Speaker 3: Alex bar Evan, I'm I am actually very surprised you

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Speaker 3: don't play that.

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Speaker 2: No I used I know I used to back in

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Speaker 2: the day, but you know, I grew up, you know.

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Speaker 1: Welcome into a brand new Catch twenty two NFL Combine Edition,

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Speaker 1: Leapier Edition February Leapier leap Day Edition February twenty ninth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Alex Barth here in Foxborough at the

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Speaker 1: Patriots dot Com studios. Evan Lazar is out in Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: at the Combine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we got him. Is he talking to me?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 2: I'm told there's a.

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Speaker 1: Four second delay? No, no, no, four second delay? All right,

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Speaker 1: I okay, we got to figure out what's going on

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Speaker 1: with Evan. I'm told there's a four second delay. So

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Speaker 1: this will be a very interesting episode because as you know,

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Speaker 1: and look, I see the comments of the show on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: So this will be very interesting on an episode that

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Speaker 1: is basically all draft opinions as we get ready. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Those and that's that's I believe.

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Speaker 1: I have been run around so much with all the

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Speaker 1: defensive line and linebackers. Okay, defensive linebackers alignment? All right, Evan,

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Speaker 1: can you hear me?

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Speaker 2: One?

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Speaker 1: Two, three, I can hear you. Three, I can hear you.

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Speaker 1: It's about three and a half delay, So we'll make

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Speaker 1: that work. But you've been doing great stuff out there, Bud.

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Speaker 1: You talk to Elliott Wolf. I saw you had some

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Speaker 1: stuff with Jordan Reied today. Just big picture, what do

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Speaker 1: you what are your takeaways? What have you learned from

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Speaker 1: the information gathering portion, or at least the the team

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Speaker 1: information gathering portion. We're gonna learn about the prospects, but

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Speaker 1: the team information gathering portion of the combine one, two, three.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Bars, Well, first of all, we we miss

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Speaker 4: you here, so we wish you were here with us.

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Speaker 4: But we'll get you here next year. That's that's the goal, right,

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Speaker 4: We are gonna get you there next year. And h

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Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing, the biggest thing that we've

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Speaker 4: learned here. I know there's a bunch of reports out

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Speaker 4: there now that the Patriots are are going to go

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Speaker 4: quarterback at through it overall if if there's a quarterback

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Speaker 4: there that they like. And I think that the the

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Speaker 4: question now is is that second part the quarterback that

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Speaker 4: they like? Who would they like is number one and

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Speaker 4: number two. There's a lot of opinions here at league

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Speaker 4: wide just about these quarterbacks, differing opinions about you know,

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Speaker 4: Caleb Williams and his whole thing that we've talked about

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Speaker 1: At three, I will say this about all that, And

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Speaker 1: back in probably right for the Senia Ble that at

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is not QB one. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: On the field, he wasn't as productive in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: think the floor is a little higher for Jane Daniels

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Speaker 1: I say that as somebody who's had Jane Daniels's QB

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Speaker 1: And Caleb Williams that is his carrying trait. He is

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Speaker 1: better than that. He is better at that than any

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Speaker 1: So I understand where that's coming from. I just think

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Speaker 2: In our lineup. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think we'll hopefully hear some more about it, Bartha

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Speaker 4: the off the field stuff. And I'm not talking about

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Speaker 4: things like that, for better or worse, it rubs some

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Speaker 4: at times. So I think that that's a lot of

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Speaker 4: this past fall, Jaden Daniels was the Heisman Trophy winner

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Speaker 4: Caleb Williams' Heisman Trophy winning film from twenty twenty two

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Speaker 1: So all right, I'm gonna try to cut in here

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Speaker 1: And they had very similar seasons, right, but Jayden had

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Speaker 1: is that it is a what have you done.

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Speaker 2: For me lately?

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Speaker 1: Sport, and lately Jane Daniels was better than Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 1: Not that the Kalla Williams is bad, but Jane Daniels

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Speaker 4: And I think some of the things that I think,

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Speaker 4: We've talked about this a little bit, bart and we've

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Speaker 4: but it's a really smooth, efficient release that he consistently

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Speaker 4: And I think that that's something that NFL teams might

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Speaker 4: Jaden Daniels heavily. He's an efficient thrower. I think the

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Speaker 4: one thing that you really look at with his film

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Speaker 4: that has always been a concern of mine is that

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Speaker 4: deep balls on fade routes, slot fades and you know,

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Speaker 4: sort of the layups.

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Speaker 2: In an NFL offense.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this because I don't know if

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Speaker 2: Has that changed so I think he can do it?

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Speaker 2: So here's a staff for you.

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Speaker 4: Eight point nine percent of Jaden Daniels's throws in college

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Speaker 4: two seasons. That is the lowest mark since twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: So but he's gone in the first round.

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Speaker 4: So you're talking about a guy that lives outside the

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Speaker 1: And again, he is gonna have to throw more, and

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Speaker 4: But right I think there's a chance that that's definitely

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Speaker 1: All right, so let's do this, and that brings us

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Speaker 1: I think there's different. I think it gets lost at times,

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Speaker 1: Like the best there's projection that's involved in all of this,

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Speaker 1: And he says, whatever that means for our sake, it

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Speaker 1: that's tough. Yeah, okay, So what's what's tough about that

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Speaker 4: I just think it's tough because of what we were

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Speaker 2: But that's the problem.

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Speaker 4: It's like you said, it's a you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: So I think that that's that's difficult to say. I

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Speaker 4: If you're going like I said earlier, if you're going

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Speaker 4: number one off of draft your tape. Yeah, if we're

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Speaker 4: He just didn't so would it have looked different for

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Speaker 2: I have to imagine it would have. But that's besides

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Speaker 4: Just based off of the eye tests and what it

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I was gonna do Top six.

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Speaker 2: Well, you can still have you can still have Drake

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Speaker 1: You can still have Drake May third if you want.

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Speaker 4: I I think with Drake May it's the the I

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Speaker 4: some misses that make you scratch your head that you're saying.

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Speaker 4: You know, the guy receivers five eight yards away from

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Speaker 4: That's the type of consistency that he misses. But there's

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Speaker 4: I understand why you would put Pennix ahead of him.

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Speaker 1: All right, so stop stop couching for your boy though

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Speaker 1: Drake may third on your list or.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, I'm gonna put Drake May third.

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Speaker 1: definitely endeavor. I'm gonna put bow Nicks fourth. Bo Nicks

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Speaker 1: The Auburn tape is disastrous, but the Oregon tape is

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Speaker 1: very good. And I it's if we're basically doing like

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Speaker 1: go bow Knicks next. I'm gonna go bon Nicks in

440
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Speaker 1: terms of college production, in terms of who looked the

441
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Speaker 1: best just at college. If we're ranking them as college quarterbacks,

442
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go bow Nicks next. As a college quarterback.

443
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Speaker 2: I think that's fair.

444
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's fair to have Pennix and boon

445
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 4: Nicks and that in that order. I just, yeah, I

446
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 4: get you know me, I I get captivated by the Yeah,

447
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 4: the big time throw. Okay, so real NFL type throws

448
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 4: into tight windows down the field.

449
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Speaker 2: So who do you have after May? But I get it.

450
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Speaker 4: I would put Penix after May. I put Penix there.

451
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Speaker 4: I think that, you know, Penix, when he's been on

452
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 4: the field, whether it's at Washington or Indiana, has been fantastic.

453
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Speaker 2: I mean they.

454
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Speaker 4: Really even going all the way back right like he was.

455
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 4: He was great, you know, before he even transferred, and

456
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Speaker 4: then he got injured. So I think that he's been

457
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 4: really good every time he's on the field. He just

458
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 4: got to stay on the field, and that's that's a

459
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 4: big thing. The next couple of days as these quarterbacks

460
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 4: go through medicals and weigh ins and things like that.

461
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Speaker 4: It's almost a bigger week for these quarterbacks and for

462
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 4: Penix especially in that respect. The interviews, the measurables, the

463
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 4: medicals obviously in a lot of ways is more important

464
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Speaker 4: than what we see with them on the field on Saturday.

465
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Speaker 4: So it's a big week for Penix. I agree with

466
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Speaker 4: you with bo Nix. He's had a really good resurgence

467
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Speaker 4: here at Oregon. I actually heard a comp with bo Nix,

468
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Speaker 4: and I know that this is always seems to be

469
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Speaker 4: the comp when you have like a conservative game manager

470
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Speaker 4: kind of quarterback. But you know, I did hear Alex

471
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 4: Smith here. Alex, that's an interesting one. I think that

472
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Speaker 4: there is some of there is some like check down

473
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 4: Charlie in his game, right, Oh yeah, some of that.

474
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 4: You know short, You know, he's a little gun shy

475
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 4: at times to throw the ball down the field, and

476
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Speaker 4: so that he you know, he does throw it down

477
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Speaker 4: the field when guys are open, but he's not necessarily

478
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Speaker 4: going to thread the needle down the field at any point.

479
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,439
Speaker 4: But he can be that serviceable keep the team aflow

480
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 4: game managers style quarterback that gets the hits the layups

481
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 4: in the offense, and that's going to.

482
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Speaker 2: Be appealing for some teams.

483
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Speaker 4: Maybe not the Patriots are ye looking to flip the

484
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,479
Speaker 4: franchise here, but for teams that are just looking for

485
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 4: a steady quarterback to come in and win them games,

486
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Speaker 4: Bnicks has has been able to do that.

487
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Speaker 1: All right, So you have I assume you have Bonnicks

488
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Speaker 1: above JJ McCarthy as a college quarterback, and I have

489
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Speaker 1: May obviously ahead.

490
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, So yeah.

491
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Speaker 4: We're both going to be a lot lower than Jay

492
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Speaker 4: on JJ McCarthy. Then he's gonna get drafted higher. I

493
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 4: know he is, and it's gonna it's gonna bug me.

494
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 4: But Zack Zack Wilson went second Overhall and we just

495
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 4: hated him that year. So all right, So as again,

496
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Speaker 4: because I see people in the chat freaking out about

497
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Speaker 4: me having bo Nicks that high as a college quarterback.

498
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Speaker 2: As a college quarterback, Alex.

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Speaker 1: I have Williams Daniels, Penix, Knicks, May McCarthy Evan as

500
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Speaker 1: Williams Daniels, May.

501
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 2: Penix Nicks McCarthy.

502
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Speaker 1: Now let's get to as they project as NFL quarterbacks,

503
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 1: because it's a different conversation, and I think this is

504
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: where it gets lost sometimes because the projection, you've got

505
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: to go beyond the stats. You've got to go beyond

506
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: the hard tape and look at what does this tell

507
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Speaker 1: you about. This is the point of the exercise. And

508
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Speaker 1: I changed it a little bit from what Kirk said

509
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Speaker 1: because he said ranked them based off game tape. That

510
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Speaker 1: could mean projecting off game tape. But I'm saying, like

511
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: you watch it as a college coach, where do they rank?

512
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: Because they're the college teams don't care about projection, right,

513
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: these guys are in and out. They care about what

514
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 1: can you do for me over the next two to

515
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: three years? What can you do for me before you

516
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: turn twenty two to twenty three years old. Now we're

517
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: gonna look at it like the NFL. And that's why

518
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,479
Speaker 1: your list in my list, I think are so different

519
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: because I actually watch these guys as college quarterbacks. I

520
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: watched them during the year. I watched them invested in

521
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: the outcomes of the college games. I don't see that

522
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: to make fun of you, like it's I think that

523
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: this is something that gets lost in translation, whereas now

524
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Speaker 1: we're gonna do I think purely the way you watch

525
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: guys and I watch these guys this way too, but

526
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Speaker 1: I kind of have to shift my brain a little bit.

527
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: All Right, this is what the tape looks like as

528
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Speaker 1: a college player. Now what does that tell us? What

529
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: can we project from that moving forward? And these are

530
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Speaker 1: the real quarterback rankings. So that last thing was just

531
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Speaker 1: kind of having fun. That was kind of if you

532
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Speaker 1: were to go out and win a national championship, who

533
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Speaker 1: would you take? Now we're going if you're gonna start

534
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 1: an NFL franchise, who would you take? Essentially what this

535
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: is gonna look like. So I still have Caleb Williams first.

536
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: I think you do too. We just sort of talked

537
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Speaker 1: about this with the projection for the out of structure playmaking.

538
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would. I would put Caleb Williams number one

539
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 4: too as well. I actually think, you know, his production

540
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 4: is pretty clean to the today's NFL. You know, if

541
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Speaker 4: this was twenty years ago and he was running around

542
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 4: like that, nobody would it would be a different story. Yeah,

543
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 4: But nowadays, I think that he's exactly the type of

544
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 4: quarterback that the that the league is looking for, and

545
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 4: that these offenses around the league where it's first reaction

546
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 4: play if you can hit it in structure, great, If

547
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 4: you can't hit it in structure, we have things built

548
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 4: in to allow you to then go and improvise like

549
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 4: that's the NFL. That's how a lot of these offenses

550
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 4: are built nowadays schematically. So I think that that fits

551
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams extremely well. And I don't have a ton

552
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Speaker 4: of on field concerns with Kleb Williams.

553
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 2: I don't have.

554
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 4: I don't necessarily care about the off field stuff that much,

555
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 4: but I understand it could be a factor with his

556
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 4: maturity and things like that. But on the field, it's

557
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 4: tough to find a lot of reasons to think that

558
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 4: he's gonna completely fail in the NFL.

559
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: Maybe he won't be Patrick Mahomes.

560
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 4: But right just to completely bust I, it's gonna be

561
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 4: hard for him to do that.

562
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: My my biggest concern.

563
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: Also, I figured out why I'm counting down the pause

564
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: because when I don't do it, I feel very judged.

565
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: I feel like you're waiting on what I said, it

566
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: what I said, and you're judging me.

567
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 2: I don't know.

568
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if you count size as an on

569
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: field concern, but that's I do wonder what it's gonna

570
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: be like if he starts taking a lot of hits

571
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: and how well he's gonna hold up.

572
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: That's kind of my biggest concern for him.

573
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: But some people would say that's not like an on

574
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: field concern because that's just it is what it is.

575
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: It's physical makeup. It's not, you know, quarterback ability. But

576
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: that's my big concern with him. I so Williams first,

577
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: Daniel's second, or so this is where your list might change.

578
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm chalk the first two. My list is going to

579
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: change at three. But I think in terms of who

580
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: they were as college quarterbacks and where they project at.

581
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: In the NFL, Williams Daniels won two. The same for me.

582
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I would have Drake May second. And I

583
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 4: think the biggest reasons why are just when I turn

584
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 4: on his film at UNC, I see a lot more

585
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 4: NFL style throws. It's not necessarily about making the tight

586
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 4: window throws down the field. Jaden Daniels does that too,

587
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 4: but in terms of actual NFL style throws like these

588
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 4: are the layered throws into the middle of the field.

589
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 4: These are the vertical you know we're gonna conflict the

590
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 4: defender in the post safety and we're gonna hit the

591
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 4: deep post route like those types of things are what

592
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 4: NFL teams want to do. And the other thing with

593
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 4: Drake May is that we're talking about this with Jordan

594
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 4: Reid on our podcast yesterday.

595
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: Barth is that he.

596
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 4: Ran a lot out of the pistol at North Carolina,

597
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 4: and the pistol has a lot of the same mechanisms

598
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 4: as playing under center. So he is turning, you know,

599
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 4: putting the ball in the running backs gut, turning around

600
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 4: his back to the defense, and getting his eyes back forward.

601
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 4: That's the same exact thing as he's gonna do in

602
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 4: an under center play action dropback. So even though it's

603
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 4: not exactly the same, it is essentially the same mechanisms

604
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 4: and essentially the same way of processing, whereas Jayden Daniels

605
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 4: is one hundred percent shotgun.

606
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: So it's not that it can't work in the league.

607
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 4: I just think that a lot of these offenses that

608
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 4: are still traditionally pro style, like an Alex Van Pelt offense,

609
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 4: is going to ask Drake May to do those types

610
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 4: of things. It's going to ask Jayden Daniels to do

611
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 4: those types of things. I think Drake May is a

612
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 4: little bit more pro ready for those elements. So when

613
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 4: it comes to Jayden and Daniels, who I would have

614
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 4: number three easily. When it comes to Jade and Daniels,

615
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 4: I still could coming back to the same thing.

616
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: I know he's going to be a dynamic runner.

617
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 4: If you get those guys on the outside that can

618
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 4: win on vertical routes, He's going to be a great

619
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: deep ball thrower for you. But the biggest question mark

620
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 4: is is is he going to turn a little bit

621
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 4: too much into a justin Fields type that just can't

622
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 4: operate in structure with enough processing speed to be able

623
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 4: to elevate people around him that aren't necessarily Malik Neighbors

624
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 4: and Brian Thomas Junior.

625
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: So, and that's all.

626
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: Fair, and so you're going May to Dannuels three then,

627
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: so we just have those flipped. My thing with May

628
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: and this is where again I rank him lower as

629
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: a college quarterback than most people would probably expect, but

630
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: I still have him this high in terms of the projection.

631
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: He had some very high highs in college. He also

632
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: had some very low lows. Especially you go back to

633
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: this year and you know, lackluster performances against teams that

634
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: weren't very good. The game against Clemson, the game against

635
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: NC State, even that that South Carolina game where you know,

636
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: he completed seventy five percent of his passes, but the

637
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: yards per attempt weren't great. He had two interceptions. When

638
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: you look at him as a pro though, you're not

639
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: looking at you're not necessarily looking.

640
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: At the low lows.

641
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: You're looking at the high highs. And the idea is,

642
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: can we turn him into this guy consistently? And can

643
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: we get this out of him? And I've said this

644
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: and this is something that I thought was weird at

645
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: the time and I came up with it, But the

646
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: more I look at it, the more I believe in it.

647
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: We talk a lot about, like, I mean, you know

648
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: how much I love to talking about carrying traits, especially

649
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: when you talk about first round picks. What's his carrying trait?

650
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: What are you looking at where it's like, this guy

651
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: is gonna be great because of this thing? And I

652
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 1: didn't think that potential could be a carrying trait because

653
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: it's abstract. It's not something you can point to and

654
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: measure and is definitively there. But when I look at

655
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: Drake May and I look at all the individual parts.

656
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: He has, all the individual parts of a great quarterback

657
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: at North Carolina, they just never came together consistently. So

658
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: I look at him and it's I think, I said

659
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: this a couple of shows ago, a couple of months ago,

660
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: that Drake May is whatever you're gonna make him.

661
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: Drake May is.

662
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: The ceiling is as high as the coaching staff can

663
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: get it, I think, And to be honest, I felt

664
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: the same about Josh Allen. I felt the same about

665
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: Josh Justin Herbert and I missed on those guys. Looked

666
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: at those guys and said, there's way too much variance there,

667
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: and it scares me. I'm not missing the boat this time.

668
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: That's kind of where I'm at with Drake May as

669
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: I see a similar makeup and I'm not going to

670
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: miss the boat on this guy this time. I see

671
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: him as kind of all the parts are there, just

672
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: put him together. And NFL teams seem to be better

673
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: at putting these guys together. So that's where I see

674
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: Drake May's ceiling. But I still just think Jayden Daniels,

675
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: with a little more athletic ability, I have him a

676
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: little bit higher in terms of NFL potential.

677
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that you made a really good point there.

678
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 4: And maybe why my opinion on these quarterbacks differs from

679
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 4: so many people that listen to our show and Patriots

680
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 4: fans in general with these quarterbacks is because I don't

681
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 4: really care about what the production was to an extent

682
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 4: in college, like, it doesn't really interest me as much

683
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 4: as when I watched the film, does this guy do

684
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 4: things that are going to translate to the NFL. So

685
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 4: a lot of people, I feel like, look at Drake

686
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 4: May's performance at North Carolina and they base it off

687
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 4: of production, They base it off of win loss record,

688
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 4: and they say, you know, Sam Howell was a better

689
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 4: quarterback at North Carolina than this guy. But when you clearly,

690
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 4: when you watch the film, you can clearly see the arm, talent,

691
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 4: the size, the mobility, like the things that are going

692
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 4: to translate to the next level. So that's why to me,

693
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 4: that's what it's more about. It's not necessarily about what

694
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 4: you know. It's not what you did in the past,

695
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 4: is what you're going to do in the future. And

696
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 4: that's what the draft is all about.

697
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's let's for the sake of the argument,

698
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: let's round out the bottom three two here. So this

699
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: is again projection projection, so it's not based on college.

700
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: I still go Michael Pennix.

701
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: I still go Michael Pennox here because I think if

702
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: he does stay healthy, he has the tools, he has

703
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: the arm to be a game changer in the NFL.

704
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,959
Speaker 1: So in terms of and this would be essentially a

705
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: real big board, I still have Penox's QB four.

706
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would have Penix there as well. I think

707
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 4: between Penix and JJ McCarthy, that's that's probably the two

708
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 4: guys that project best out of the next couple guys.

709
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 4: I mean, like Bonnix. I I use that Alex Smith

710
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 4: comparison that I heard. I just that's why I feel

711
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 4: like he is. If that's your cup of tea, and

712
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 4: if that's the type of teammate you are, then that's fine.

713
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 4: But if you're really looking for the ceiling, I just

714
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 4: don't think that you're necessarily gonna get it out of

715
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 4: the out of Bonix. Whereas these other these other two

716
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 4: guys with McCarthy and Penix, they have really solid ceilings.

717
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 4: And you know, I especially a guy like Penix, if

718
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:30,959
Speaker 4: you can stay healthy.

719
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm with you on that. I I

720
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: have McCarthy over Penis as well. I didn't have that

721
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: when the pre draft process started. Uh, but I've I've

722
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: come around on that. So if we projected very similar,

723
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: our only differences to three, I've changed Daniels second, you

724
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: have Drake May.

725
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: Second.

726
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,479
Speaker 1: Uh the call the college production is very different. But again,

727
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: as we said, we watch those games very differently, so

728
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: it would make sense that there would be more variance there.

729
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: The reality of it, though, is those those lists are irrelevant,

730
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: And that's why I feel comfortable saying, you know, in

731
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: a college sense, Bo Nicks was a better college quarterback

732
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: than Drake May. I feel comfortable saying that. Does that

733
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: mean I would take Bo Nicks over Drake May? Absolutely not.

734
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 1: I still think Drake May is a top three pick.

735
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: He should be a top I don't think he won't

736
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: be like I don't see any situation where he falls

737
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: to four. Bo Nick should not be a first round pick.

738
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: Bo Nick should not go in the first round, and

739
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 1: I've seen him mocked as high as like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen.

740
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're trying to do. I don't

741
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: know what you're trying to accomplish at that point. But

742
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: that's not bo Nicks is not a first round pick. Bonnicks,

743
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: to your point, Evan exactly has no ceiling. Bo Nicks

744
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: is carrying trade is essentially safety. That's not a first

745
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: round pick to me. So yeah, yeah, fun little exercise there,

746
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: essentially a way for us to do our quarterback big board,

747
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: but put a little spin on it. Heading into the combine,

748
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: which of these guys has the most to win, Which

749
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: of these guys has the most to lose this week?

750
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 4: Well, I think Penix says the most to win because

751
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 4: if these teams clear him medically and those injuries are

752
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 4: deemed completely in his past, then he is going to

753
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 4: be somebody that you can just grate off the tape.

754
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 4: And if you're looking at his tape from Washington this

755
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 4: past season, it's it's really really good. So I think

756
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 4: that you know, we went back to that exercise of

757
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 4: who has the best twenty twenty three draft film from

758
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 4: this class. It's clearly number one Jayden Daniels, but I

759
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 4: think you would probably say Penix based off the film

760
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 4: is number two. So if it's the injuries are deemed

761
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 4: a thing of the past for him and teams don't

762
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 4: have necessarily long term concerns about his knees or his shoulders.

763
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 4: Then he's somebody that I think can creep up into

764
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 4: that round one conversation, where on the flip side, if

765
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 4: he has bad medical checks here in Indy, he could

766
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 4: possibly fall out of you know, into the third or

767
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 4: fourth round, even you know who. Like I think a

768
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 4: lot of teams, we look at it and we don't

769
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 4: necessarily have the inherent risk that these teams do people

770
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 4: that talk about this in the media. Our jobs are

771
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 4: not on the line if Michael penix Well is bad.

772
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: You know, I trust me.

773
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: If we say that the guy the Patriots should take

774
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: and they take him and he ends up being bad,

775
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: we're not going to.

776
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: Hear the end of it. That's a joke. Our jobs

777
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: are not on the line like the GM's are on

778
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: the line.

779
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: But like the don't think I'm not taking this with

780
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: without any sort of weight either.

781
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: Man, Oh, I got you.

782
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 4: But just in terms of the pressure on these teams

783
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 4: to make the right decisions. If Pennix is the guy

784
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 4: that you take at the bottom of the first round

785
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 4: or the top of the second round and he can't

786
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 4: stay on the field, and that's obviously a major hit

787
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 4: to the front office and the decision makers.

788
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I think Pennix has the most to lose.

789
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: I thought I thought Drake May had the most game

790
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: and little bummed he's not throwing or not participating in workouts.

791
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: I didn't expect him to.

792
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: But when Jane Daniels opted out and Jane Daniels is

793
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 1: getting all this buzz and he's QB two and man,

794
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: maybe he's QB one, and Drake May's kind of getting

795
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: left behind there. If you're Drake, if I'm Drake, man,

796
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking at that. I get to go out there

797
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: now I have a chance to throw Brian clearly the

798
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: best quarterback on the field, and not clearly the best,

799
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: but also the just physical stature him standing next to

800
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: six foot one Bon Knicks, two hundred pound JJ McCarthy.

801
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: He's gonna go out there and just look amazing. And

802
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: that's a big part of the combine. You hear Scout's

803
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: talking about this at all positions. You watch these guys

804
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: on tape, but now you get to see them one

805
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: after another after another, and you really can compare them. Right,

806
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: what does this guy's mechanics look like next to this

807
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 1: guys and I'm seeing them in the same setting from

808
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: the same angle boom one two heatable or their mechanics,

809
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: things like that, what do they look like physically stature

810
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: next to each other.

811
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 2: Drake May would.

812
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: Have crushed that element of it, and I was kind

813
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: of hoping he'd go out there with the chance to

814
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I'm gonna look better, so much better

815
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: by comparison, that I can go out there and remind

816
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: everybody why I was cute consensus QB two going into

817
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: the process. And he's not gonna do it, and I'm

818
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: not gonna fault him for it, because right the flip side,

819
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: if he gets hurt, it's a whole thing.

820
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: But I thought there may be was a chance there

821
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: where we were gonna.

822
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: See Drake May go out and make a statement and

823
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: that would have been very interesting. Instead he's not going

824
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: to And look there's a statement in that as well,

825
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: which is you can talk about me sliding all you want.

826
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: I know where I'm at. I'm comfortable I am. It's

827
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: not a big two, it's a big three. It's me,

828
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: Caleb and Jaden, and I belong with them. I don't

829
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: belong with the other group. There's a statement either way,

830
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: but part of me was hoping we get to see

831
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: him throw.

832
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I will say the one one good thing

833
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 4: that we're not gonna get to see him throw out

834
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 4: here this weekend. But the UNC pro day is on

835
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 4: March twenty six obviously in Chapel Hill, and then the

836
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 4: LSU Pro Day is March twenty seventh and Baton Rouge,

837
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 4: So you're gonna see them Drake May and Jayden Daniels.

838
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: See a lot of flights going from the North Carolina

839
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: down to Louisiana that one.

840
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 4: If you're an airline and you're smart, you're adding a

841
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 4: couple a couple of flights between those two cities on

842
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 4: those two days. So yeah, that that's that's gonna be

843
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 4: big for Scouts. They're gonna be able to go one

844
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 4: after another and see these guys throw in person one

845
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 4: after another. So we will get some of that element.

846
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 4: But you mentioned most of most to lose most of gain.

847
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 4: I don't know which way you want to put it

848
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 4: for either one of these guys, but clearly JJ McCarthy

849
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 4: people people in the league thinks that JJ McCarthy is

850
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 4: going to put on a show on Saturday throwing on

851
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 4: the sack b I maybe he will. I but that's

852
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 4: who people think is going to solidify themselves as a

853
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 4: guy that's that's different from the rest of the group

854
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 4: that's gonna throw here. And I think that that's very

855
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,959
Speaker 4: It's possible because you know, JJ McCarthy does have arm talent.

856
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 4: He does have that ability to make some impressive throws.

857
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 4: It's the processing and decision making that are my biggest

858
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 4: concerns with him. And you don't have to do that

859
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 4: when you're throwing in these types of slugs. So when

860
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 4: you're not going up against the defense, it's a lot

861
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 4: easier to make some throws.

862
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 1: Let JAJ McCarthy look good in shorts and T shirt.

863
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy's the exact kind of guy's gonna look good

864
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: in shorts and teacher.

865
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: You know what he's gonna do.

866
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna be now at the prote

867
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 1: but he's gonna do that throw right where you drop back,

868
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: you flip the hips, he come back over the other

869
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: shoulder and then across the field that all these guys

870
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: do with the pro Day and everybody goes Google Gaga

871
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: over it, and oh my god, how many guys look

872
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: at this throw? How many guys are making this throw?

873
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: And every single guy's making it at the prota, And

874
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: you go back through the tape and they're Sam Darnold

875
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 1: making it on tape, because that's the one I remember,

876
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: people always send me when I can play it. Johnny

877
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: Manziel making it on tape. There's Zach Wilson making it

878
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: like it doesn't mean anything. And I'm seeing now on

879
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: the delay. I don't know why I got up and

880
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: acted that out. I got caught up in the moment.

881
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 1: Let's distract from that and take some calls here before

882
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: we get into some of the other positions. We will

883
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: start with Sean, and Vancouver's been.

884
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: On the longest. Sean, how are you doing? Hang on?

885
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: Good to see there is Sean. Hey, don't do you guys?

886
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: I'm great. I haven't been able to call in because

887
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 3: I'm on the West coast. Listed too early. But I

888
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 3: have a scenario and I want to find out how

889
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,479
Speaker 3: plausible this is. Let's say the two of the top

890
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 3: three quarterbacks are taking off the board when the Patriots elect.

891
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 3: But the Patriots know or they're almost certain that Arizona

892
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 3: will not take a quarterback, so they trade down one

893
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: spot and then they land up getting another top forty pick.

894
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 5: Is that?

895
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 3: What do you think of that? Do you think that

896
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: could happen?

897
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: I think it could.

898
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: What I'd be worried about is Arizona then flipping the pick.

899
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: Is Arizona moving up and then moving down because they

900
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: will get back more than they gave up if they

901
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: did that.

902
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 2: If I'm married, maybe go ahead.

903
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,479
Speaker 3: Maybe they're really interested in Harrison, right, they really won't

904
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 3: have they want to risk that?

905
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: Well I I then I don't see why they do

906
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: it unless the Patriots are going to trade down. And

907
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: if the Patriots are going to trade down anyways, because

908
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 1: they don't like the quarterback at three, so trading down

909
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: to four doesn't change anything, you might as well well,

910
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: you might as well move further down and get even more.

911
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: So I I would be very suspicious if the Cardinals

912
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: called with that, because either one they want to take

913
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: one of the quarterbacks it's the smokescreen, or or two

914
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: they plan on trading it. So it's an interesting thought.

915
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: I just the Patriots have more more to lose than

916
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: to gain doing something like that. Evan, I don't know

917
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: if you feel the same.

918
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 4: Way, Yeah, I would with the Cardinals. I wouldn't sleep

919
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 4: on Joe Alt the Cardinals either. I know that they've

920
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 4: been linked to Marvin Harrison Junior this entire process, but

921
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 4: Joe Halt has really impressed teams from what I've heard

922
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 4: in the interviews, So I wouldn't sleep on Joe Alt

923
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 4: there potentially as well. So I think that they have

924
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 4: to come away from this draft with either Joe Alt

925
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 4: or Marvin Harrison Junior. And I don't think that they're

926
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 4: going to put themselves out of position to lose out

927
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 4: on either of those guys. But if it's one or

928
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 4: the other for them, and they're happy coming out of

929
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 4: the first round with either one of those guys, then

930
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 4: maybe they are a team that would that would start

931
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 4: to play games like that with the board. You know,

932
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 4: as long as we're at you know, no lower than

933
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 4: you know, six or seven, Well that's the thing.

934
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: We're going to get one of those guys and we'll

935
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: be fine with this.

936
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: So and this would be pretty untraditional, but if we're

937
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 1: going to play this game and play it out, and Sean,

938
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: thanks for the call. If you're if you're the Cardinals,

939
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: you move from four to three and then you drop

940
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: from three to six, you know you're probably gonna get

941
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: one of Harrison Junior alt and you probably got back

942
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: more right than gave up. So I would be very

943
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: specific suspicious if the Cardinals called with that from the Patriots.

944
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: If you like the QB, take them.

945
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 1: If you don't like any of the quarterbacks moving from

946
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 1: three to four, you're gonna get more moving from three

947
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: to six, three to eight, three to I wouldn't go

948
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: past like, you know, we're not gonna trade with the

949
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: Jets at ten, So I mean, I think you're looking

950
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: at six, seven, eight, Giants, Titans, Falcons. That's where you're

951
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 1: looking to trade. Moving back one spot. It's not you're

952
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: not gonna get that much for it. You risk the

953
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 1: Cardinals doing something funky.

954
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: I don't love it.

955
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: I've said this from the beginning. I'm sticking by it.

956
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: If you believe in the quarterback, take them, don't play game,

957
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: don't get cute. I get they did it with Christian

958
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: Zalez last year. That's all well and good. It's a

959
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: different position. Quarterback is inherently treated differently. If if if

960
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 1: you really are sitting there like yeah, I'll use Strike

961
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: May as an example Drake May is our guy, but

962
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: we get an extra third from the Cardinals if we

963
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: do this little thing. And all of a sudden, the

964
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: Cardinals flipped that pick to the Giants. And now you're

965
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: sitting there and Drake Man and Jane Daniels are gone.

966
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: Was it worth the third round pick? Even taking the

967
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: outside chance that's what they're doing. Is that risk worth

968
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: the pick to me? Not even close? Not even close?

969
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: Take the guy? Yeah, yeah, I think you're you're hearing

970
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: a lot.

971
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 4: You know, with the Patriots that Elliot Wolf is the

972
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 4: type of guy that isn't going to overcomplicate things and

973
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 4: is going to, you know, just stick to the board,

974
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 4: right and kind of.

975
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: Stick to the process.

976
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 4: Whereas a guy like Bill Belichick, for he had the cachet,

977
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 4: you know, that's thest way to put it. He had

978
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 4: the cachet to make to take some risks, and he

979
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 4: had the cachet to know that if he traded down

980
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 4: from fifteen to seventeen and they end up with Emmanuel

981
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 4: Forbes instead of Christian Gonzales, you know that move alone

982
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 4: is not going to cost him his job, whereas with

983
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 4: other guys, you know that's not necessarily the case.

984
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 2: So I think the one thing that.

985
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 4: You hear and why a lot of these reports are

986
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 4: coming out that the Patriots are going to take a

987
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 4: quarterback at three is because the simplest, you know, path

988
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 4: forward is the straight line, and that's that the straight

989
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 4: line is to take the quarterback and start to build

990
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 4: around the QB. And so I think that that's the

991
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 4: approach that they most likely take. I I taught your

992
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 4: phrase Evan last week. Do you remember what it was?

993
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: As we occasionally dip into psychology and sociology and philosophy

994
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: on this show, do you remember what the phrase was

995
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: that I taught you?

996
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 4: But this is you yeah, and you yes, and I know,

997
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 4: and then like Wikipedia, what was it?

998
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: Do you remember what it was?

999
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: Is it Oham's razor, which states, basically, to sum it up,

1000
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: usually the simplest answer is the right answer. It's essentially,

1001
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: keep it simple stupid, but for people who want to

1002
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: sound smart, and psych is the only ap class I

1003
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: took in high school, so my mom's a psych teacher,

1004
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: and so.

1005
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: Saying it the other way.

1006
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: You take the quarterback of three, it's it's just that

1007
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: there's no need to get cute with it. There's no

1008
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: need to overthink it. If you like the court and

1009
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: if you don't like them, you trade down. You don't

1010
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: take quarterback, just take quarterback. But if you need aquarterback,

1011
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: it's the most important position. If you look at one

1012
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 1: of those guys and say, this is a good player

1013
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: at the most important position that we have a need at,

1014
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: it doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.

1015
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,959
Speaker 2: Oh but this guy's better value later in the draft.

1016
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: And this guy maybe And what about you know the

1017
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: hit rate of quarterbacks. No, if you believe in the

1018
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: guy at that position, you take him full stop. Anyway,

1019
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: Let's go to Steve in New Jersey.

1020
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 2: Steve. No, yeah, that's that's fair. All right, Steve, how

1021
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 2: you doing? Screw it up again? Hey Steve, how's it going? Good?

1022
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: Good? So?

1023
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 6: I have a question, you know, Elliott Wolf's press conference,

1024
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 6: he was talking about the pack Away kind of like

1025
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 6: with this draft strategy, what quarterback do you think would

1026
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 6: fit best for the pack away And like, you know,

1027
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 6: like have a quarterback sit like the draft of quarterback

1028
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 6: sit behind and do you guys the Packaway dress for strategy?

1029
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 6: I mean, the Packers kind of won two super Bowls,

1030
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 6: but two of the top ten quarterbacks in the NFL history.

1031
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 7: Thanks Chus.

1032
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks to call Steve. So he said which quarterbacks

1033
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: the best fit. I couldn't tell if he meant in

1034
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: the draft or free agency because he then said something

1035
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: about like to sit the rookie. This is actually something

1036
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: I've been working on, Evan. I've texted you about this,

1037
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: like which veteran quarterbacks make the most sense to pair

1038
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: with the rookies and things like that. So we can

1039
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: do that exercise if you want. On the packerway as

1040
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: a whole, sustainability and I don't even mean this to

1041
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: knock the Patriots. They were so sustainable for so long,

1042
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: and that's a huge part of the reason they were

1043
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 1: successful was they could draft guys and even if they

1044
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: missed here or there, the pipeline was so strong because

1045
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: they would draft the guys, develop them, They'd have veterans

1046
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: in front of them to stay successful, and they just

1047
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: kind of churned through it. It was this never ending carousel

1048
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: of talent until it eventually dried up when they had

1049
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: a couple of bad drafts starting in twenty nineteen. I'm

1050
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: all for sustainability. The Packers approach is a little different

1051
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 1: than the Patriots approach. I actually don't think the difference

1052
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: is in terms of draft philosophy are that different. I

1053
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: think there's different valuations on certain positions. I think certain

1054
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: positions are emphasized more than others. But at the end

1055
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: of the day, they both come down to sustainability, and

1056
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm all for sustainability.

1057
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 2: I'm all for.

1058
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: The opposite would be the Ram strategy, which is trade

1059
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: all the picks, get a bunch of good players, you know,

1060
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: burn your cap for a couple of years, have like

1061
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: a two year contention window, kind of bottom out, reset

1062
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,479
Speaker 1: salary cap, regain picks, trade them all again, do that again.

1063
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: Like that's the opposite. I actually think there's some similarity

1064
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: between the Patriots way and the Packers way when you're

1065
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: looking at the big picture again, which is sustainability, which

1066
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: I'm all for. I hate the way the Rams do it.

1067
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: That would annoy the crap out of me. Draft, develop, retain,

1068
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: I love that strategy.

1069
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that the patriotway in the packerway

1070
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 4: is all that different at all. I think both teams

1071
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 4: at the core believe in draft and developed. I think

1072
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 4: that's the way that those two teams were built for

1073
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 4: years and into the callers question about well they only

1074
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 4: won two Super Bowls with Brett Farman Aaron Rodgers. I mean,

1075
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 4: we're a little spoiled, Alex, right, that's pretty good, little spoiled.

1076
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 4: Not every organization is going to win six Super Bowls

1077
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 4: in twenty years, Like, there's going to be times where

1078
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 4: you know, teams are not going to do that.

1079
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 2: The one thing you can say about the.

1080
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 4: Packers though, and I'm not a Packers historianah, but at

1081
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 4: least in our lifetime, I can't remember a time where

1082
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 4: the Packers were bad for an extended period of time,

1083
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 4: like for multiple seasons or something like that. They've always

1084
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 4: been a good competitive operation really since Ron wolf of

1085
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 4: Elliott's father took over in the nineties. So I mean

1086
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 4: that's there's something to be said for that. Are they

1087
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 4: No team is ever? Besides, I don't know, maybe the

1088
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 4: Kana City Chiefs right now, but no team is going

1089
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 4: to rattle off six Super Bowls in twenty years.

1090
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 2: So take that's not the bar. That can't be the bar.

1091
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 4: I think when you look at teams like the Packers,

1092
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 4: you look at teams like the Cowboys, you look at

1093
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 4: teams like the Pittsburgh Steelers. Do they have that much

1094
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 4: winning as the Patriots did in that time frame. No,

1095
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 4: but they are always relevant, they're always contenders, they're always

1096
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 4: in the playoffs, They're always in the hunt. And that's

1097
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 4: more realistic in terms of building an NFL team than

1098
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 4: thinking that any team is going to be a dynasty,

1099
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 4: like that's just not going to happen.

1100
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the problem with the Packers, and we've

1101
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: seen this from coaches who've gone elsewhere. There's two different

1102
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 1: sides here. There's the roster construction, then there's the actual

1103
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: week to week management of it. And I think the

1104
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: Packers coaches, whoever they were, were always given the tools.

1105
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: They were always given a.

1106
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 2: Chance by the front office.

1107
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: Now I think Mike McCarthy and Matt Lafleur, and you

1108
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: can throw Aaron Rodgers into this if you want. With

1109
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: his clutch, Gene blew some of those chances, but the

1110
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: front office always gave him a chance. The front office

1111
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: always did their part. So when we talk about the

1112
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: pack away and that put dud may own the spotlight,

1113
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: as it should, when we talk about the Packer way,

1114
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: they they were always given a chance. The thing of it,

1115
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: and you know, people might be listening to this and saying,

1116
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: all of sustainability is so great, why wouldn't everybody do it?

1117
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 2: The margin ferererr at the.

1118
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: Draft is very slim, especially when you're starting off and

1119
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: you haven't built that core yet. I mean, the Patriots

1120
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: need in this draft. What is that Saints draft for

1121
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: like six guys all were Pro Bowl players.

1122
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 2: At like twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen?

1123
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: Do you know what's what I'm talking about?

1124
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, isn't that the Marshawn Laddimo or Alvin Kamaria.

1125
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's one draft that's to say, yeah, it's yeah, here,

1126
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: it's twenty seventeen. It's Marshawn Lattimore, Ryan Ramsack, Marcus Williams,

1127
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara, Alexandeloni, Trey Hendrickson, and all Kadean Muhammad. Obviously

1128
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: not all those players still in the Saints I don't remember.

1129
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: I don't think Muhammad ended up having a great career.

1130
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: The other guys are all I mean, legitimate players, And

1131
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: that's what's held up is the gold standard of drafts.

1132
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: That is, you freaking nailed it. If you had a

1133
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: draft like that, you throw a parade almost for a

1134
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: draft like that. I'm not saying that should be the

1135
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: expectation for Elliot Wolf, because again, that's the top of

1136
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: the mountain.

1137
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: But you need to do and by those aren't just.

1138
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: The good players. I named all the players. It's not

1139
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,399
Speaker 1: like they did those guys and didn't hit on others.

1140
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: That's everybody they took. Now granted they uh, what is

1141
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: that one, two, three, four, Six of the seven picks

1142
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: were in the top one hundred because they got aggressive

1143
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: and they traded up. So that's a unique example. But

1144
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: my point is, if you can find a draft like that,

1145
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: and maybe you get some of the guys later and

1146
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: you really uncover some gems, they're gonna need to have

1147
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: two or three drafts where the hit rates well over

1148
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: fifty percent. For me, a good draft is you hit

1149
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: on your first round pick, you hit on one of

1150
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: your two day three picks, and you hit on one

1151
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: or two or sorry, you hit on one of two

1152
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: day two picks, or more than fifty percent of your

1153
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: day two picks. If you have, you know, more than two,

1154
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: and then you hit on one or two day three picks,

1155
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: that's a good draft. So you're talking about four players minimum.

1156
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: You're coming a waitress, right three starters, four players. Yeah,

1157
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: is a good draft. Yeah, they need to have for

1158
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: the Packer Way to be set up. They need to

1159
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: have probably two or three of those drafts in a

1160
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: row here to really get going. That's the flip side

1161
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: of the and then because then you're sustainable and now

1162
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: you can really get the program going into gear.

1163
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1164
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 4: Just one more thing about the packeray that excites me

1165
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 4: is just they have had great receivers go through Green

1166
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 4: Bay and not all of them actually in the Aaron

1167
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 4: Rodgers era, none of them right or first round picks.

1168
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 4: So you're talking about, you know, guys like DeVante Adams,

1169
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 4: guys like Greg Jennings, guys like Jordy Nelson, you know,

1170
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 4: like these players that at the receiver position. And then

1171
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 4: now in the Gouden Kuns era. Know, I know Elliott

1172
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 4: wasn't there, but still you have Christian Watson, you have

1173
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 4: Romeo Dobbs, you have Jayden Reid, like all these players

1174
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 4: that can play are explosive players.

1175
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 2: At that position.

1176
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 4: That how much have we've been clamoring for that in

1177
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 4: New England and all these guys bring that to the table.

1178
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 4: I'm not I can't remember if Donald Driver was a

1179
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 4: draft pick or what. But you know, I throw his

1180
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 4: name in there as well as just a name that

1181
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,720
Speaker 4: I remember watching it as a kid. So they've always

1182
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 4: had players at the receiver positions that can make things happen.

1183
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 4: And if that's the grading scale that Elliot Wolf talked

1184
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 4: about on Tuesday, switching the grading system to the pack

1185
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 4: or grading system, if that means that they're gonna net

1186
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 4: day two receivers like Christian Watson or Day two receivers

1187
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 4: like Jayden Reid, then that's good news for the paper.

1188
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: And then again and then you don't you know, they

1189
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: let a guy like Davonte Adams go and they're still

1190
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: able to have success because it's sustainable. There's a pipeline,

1191
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: there's a chain. That's what it all comes down, all right.

1192
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's gonna be about JJ McCarthy. Let's

1193
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: go to and Ian Arbor Evan. This one could be

1194
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: a bit of a battle for us.

1195
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 2: Jack. How you doing today, Jackson? Regular? Jackie there?

1196
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 8: Right?

1197
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: Hang on, he's good, Jack, We got you. I can

1198
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: hear him there in the background, So something wrong with

1199
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: my headset? No, I can hear him. All right, Jack,

1200
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna put you out I can't hear him, all right.

1201
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: I could hear it very faintly. I think there's some

1202
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: up with his phone. All right, let's go to Ryan

1203
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: in Chicago. Let's try Ryan.

1204
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, what's going on.

1205
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 9: I'm got two part question here for you. Okay, first

1206
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 9: part is on the receivers. It seems like every time

1207
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 9: I look another receivers just kind of off the market

1208
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 9: because we're staying with their team. Nobody wants to overpay

1209
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 9: for whatever's left. So I was wondering what you guys

1210
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 9: thought about, you know, identifying a guy who was on

1211
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 9: the last year of his contract with the team that's

1212
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 9: probably not going to resign him and trying to trade

1213
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 9: for receiver that way. And then part two was I

1214
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 9: saw a report today that Max could go for like

1215
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 9: a fourth round if we're opten to move them. Just

1216
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 9: some thoughts around that and potentially maybe like you know,

1217
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 9: making a package with him in a later round picks

1218
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 9: to try to get the most value from that from

1219
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 9: that trade. So those are my two questions.

1220
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 2: See you guys. Yeah, thanks for the call.

1221
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 7: Ryan.

1222
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: I'll I'll answer the second part of that first, because

1223
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty simple. I love the idea. If

1224
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna trade Mac, pick swap absolute pickswap, get as

1225
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: high as you can. I would rather trade Mac Jones

1226
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: in a fifth for a fourth than trade Mac Jones

1227
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: for a fifth, if that makes sense. I don't need

1228
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: the extra pick. I would rather them move up. They

1229
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: have seven picks, they're in good shape, and I think

1230
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 1: they'll trade down at some point. I don't think it'll

1231
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: be from three, but maybe they trade down from thirty four,

1232
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: Maybe they trade down from sixty eight.

1233
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 2: I would rather pickswap Mac and move up the.

1234
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: Board than just simply add the asset and maximize the

1235
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: return there.

1236
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 2: Like the caller said, see, I might disagree with you there.

1237
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 4: I actually think that adding another one of these mid

1238
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 4: round picks would be valuable because, like we have to

1239
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 4: get through free agency, and maybe in free agency it

1240
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 4: changes the amount of holes that they do have on

1241
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 4: the team right now. But when I do mock drafts

1242
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 4: and even just for fun and just you know, h

1243
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 4: on PFF or whatever, you have a lot of these needs.

1244
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 4: You know, quarterback, receiver, tackle, tight end, running back, you know,

1245
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 4: even getting some depth on the defensive side of the

1246
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 4: ball in certain spots, edge corner free safety like those.

1247
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 2: It's a lot.

1248
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 4: And if you get another one of those top one

1249
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 4: fifty picks for Mac, I think that's a bargain, like

1250
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 4: a steal for Actually, I should say a steal for

1251
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 4: the Patriots to get a fourth round pick back for

1252
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 4: Mac Jones and to add that so now you know

1253
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 4: we've talked about running backs, barth in this draft. It's

1254
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 4: not a draft that has necessarily a Christian McCaffrey or

1255
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 4: one of these you know, first round running backs, but

1256
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 4: it's pretty deep in the middle rounds. If you can

1257
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 4: get a fourth round picks, so now you have an

1258
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 4: extra to use on a running back or an extra

1259
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 4: to use on a tight end. That might not be

1260
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 4: you know, a top top need, but it's kind of

1261
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 4: in that next wave. If you're gonna tear their needs,

1262
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 4: I think i'd, you know, i'd I'd be ecstatic if

1263
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 4: that's the type of return. Uh they're gonna get for

1264
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 4: Mac Jones. I wasn't sure they get anything for Mac.

1265
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. I just they can get a

1266
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: fourth great, I don't think they can. I don't think

1267
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: they can get a top one fifty pick. So if

1268
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: if it's gonna be a fifth outright, I think it's

1269
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna fifth or sixth. I would rather have

1270
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: the fourth and give up a pick than just get

1271
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: like a sixth is kind of where I'm at. So

1272
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: I if they can get a fourth outright, they don't

1273
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: need a pick. If I can get a fourth back, however,

1274
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: I have to do it, whether it's outright or pick swap. Like,

1275
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: if there's a way to get a fourth, get a fourth,

1276
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't haggle over, well, we get a fourth if

1277
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: we pick swap, but we get a fifth if we

1278
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: don't take the fourth, take the fourth. But if it's

1279
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, a sixth or a fifth with a pick swap,

1280
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: and I just take the sixth at.

1281
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 2: That point whatever, like you're not moving up that much.

1282
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: So but I if they can move up into the

1283
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: fourth with a pick swap, I would do that. I would,

1284
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: because now you're talking top one. It would have to

1285
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: be a really high fifth for it to be top one,

1286
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: fifty for to be a pick swap off. I'm doing

1287
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: the math right in my head, which is fifty to fifty.

1288
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Jack in New Jersey. Jack

1289
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: Jackie there, Hello.

1290
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 5: Hey, Hey, how you guys do good good. So I questioned,

1291
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 5: with this receiver market shrinking as a teams, that these

1292
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 5: teams are resigning their free agent pending wide receivers. Do

1293
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 5: you guys see the Patriots trading back up into the

1294
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 5: first round in the second round instead of.

1295
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 8: Going and throwing the bag.

1296
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 5: At a guy like Calvion Risley.

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Speaker 1: Good question, Jack, and I just roused we forgot to

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Speaker 1: answer the second part of the other callers question, which

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Speaker 1: was trading for a receiver in last year's contract. So

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Speaker 1: we can kind of do both at the same time. Evan,

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Speaker 1: here's the guys who are at least rookie deal last

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Speaker 1: year a contract. Jamar Chase not getting him. Jalen Wall,

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Speaker 1: they're not getting him. DeVonta Smith you've talked about, but

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Speaker 1: you're do they have the what it takes to get

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Speaker 1: him without blowing up the rest of their offseason.

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Speaker 4: I think that that's the biggest question, is you know

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Speaker 4: you're not giving up three for a receiver on expiring contract.

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Speaker 2: That's obviously, well, there's one guy.

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Speaker 1: There's one guy I would there's one guy I would.

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Speaker 4: Well, his GM went up to the podium the other

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Speaker 4: day and laughed in everybody's face when he suggested that

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Speaker 4: they might be available via trade. So we're talking about

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Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson soon didn't didn't Didn't.

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Speaker 2: John Robinson do that with a J Brown too? Uh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's usually what happens this time of year. The big,

1316
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Speaker 4: the notorious one is Dave Gettleman saying it about Odell Becker.

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Speaker 2: That's what it was. That's what I'm thinking of.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But anyway, Yeah, I just wanted to give you

1319
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Speaker 1: a chance to gush about Justin Jefferson. But you're right,

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Speaker 1: you're not giving up three for Devanta Smith. I don't

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Speaker 1: think thirty four gets him. I don't think thirty four

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Speaker 1: gets him.

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Speaker 2: So so the quest is you're trading thirty four? You know?

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Speaker 4: I think t Higgins is another guy that we can

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Speaker 4: throw in here, trading.

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Speaker 2: On the tag.

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Speaker 4: Brandon Nyuk, obviously in San Francisco, is a name to

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Speaker 4: watch in this market.

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Speaker 2: It's appealing for obvious reasons.

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Speaker 4: But I think the question is is for a team

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Speaker 4: that has so many holes, are you Yes, you're filling

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Speaker 4: one by trading for the receiver, but are you giving

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Speaker 4: up too many assets? Because I think, you know, for

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01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 4: a guy like Brandon Ayuk, the Niners are going to

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Speaker 4: want a first round pick for Brandon Nyuk, So is

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Speaker 4: it thirty four and a future pick that you tack

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01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 4: on because you're not trading two picks from this draft.

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Speaker 4: You just have too many needs, I think to trade

1339
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 4: two picks from this draft, So you probably are looking

1340
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Speaker 4: at thirty four and then a twenty twenty five asset

1341
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Speaker 4: as well. Is that going to be too much? Is

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Speaker 4: that worth it to the Patriots in the stage of

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Speaker 4: the rebuild. I think trading for receivers like that is

1344
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Speaker 4: really a thing that you do to put yourself over

1345
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 4: the top the Stefan Diggs trade in Buffalo. So what

1346
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 4: about is always an easy example?

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Speaker 1: So what about using thirty four to move up in

1348
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Speaker 1: the back end of the first round for I'm.

1349
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Speaker 2: Just using names.

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Speaker 1: Don't freak out, Keon Coleman, Brian Thomas, Troy Franklin, Ady Mitchell.

1351
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Speaker 2: Like that group.

1352
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Speaker 4: Okay, well you started with Keon Coleman, which was your

1353
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 4: first mistake. But I think that's a really interesting conversation

1354
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 4: with I think it's an interesting conversation with both receiver

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Speaker 4: and with tackle. Uh to trade back up into the

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Speaker 4: first round at the end of the first round because

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Speaker 4: I think both of those places you just talked about

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Speaker 4: that tier. As much as I think that there's very

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Speaker 4: really good depth in this receiver class, in my opinion,

1360
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Speaker 4: that's where the day one impact player tier stops.

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Speaker 2: Right, is that Ady Mitchell, Xavier Worthy, Keon Coleman, Troy

1362
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Speaker 2: Franklin tier.

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Speaker 1: Keon Coleman impact play print it.

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Speaker 4: I I can't you know, Look, I don't want to

1365
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Speaker 4: be too too far off the consensus on Keon Coleman,

1366
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Speaker 4: but you know how I feel about that that skill set.

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Speaker 4: But then you get into you know, the Lad mcconkey's,

1368
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Speaker 4: the Roman Wilson's, the Jalen Polks, like those guys are

1369
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,439
Speaker 4: all nice players, but are they going to be star

1370
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Speaker 4: receivers in the league.

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Speaker 2: I don't necessarily see that. So I see that appeal.

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Speaker 4: And I also see the appeal at tackle because I

1373
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Speaker 4: think that there's probably eight good tackles in this draft,

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Speaker 4: and then I do think that there is a pretty

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Speaker 4: precipitous drop off after that. So if there's a big

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Speaker 4: run at tackle in the twenties and that's the pick

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Speaker 4: that they've earmarked for tackle, then I would also entertain

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Speaker 4: moving up for one of the tackles too. So I

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Speaker 4: think that there's something to be said in either direction,

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Speaker 4: which receiver or tackle for making a move up to

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Speaker 4: you know, let's just say late twenties, just to secure

1382
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Speaker 4: one of those players.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's fine. I was gonna say exactly that.

1384
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Speaker 1: I don't hate the idea of moving up from thirty four.

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Speaker 1: But you're doing it for tackle. You're not doing a

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Speaker 1: four receiver, both because of how deep this tackle class

1387
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Speaker 1: is and because this isn't Wolf has been around, you know,

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Speaker 1: has experienceers worked in front offices that have experienced finding

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Speaker 1: wide receiver talent later on day two. So I would

1390
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Speaker 1: move up, I would I would do for tackle. All right,

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Speaker 1: we're going to clear the phones for now. One last call,

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Speaker 1: but if you want to join us, eight five to

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Speaker 1: five pats five hundred again, eight five to five pats

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Speaker 1: five hundred, maybe we do a fit a second round

1395
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Speaker 1: of calls in. But I do want to talk about

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Speaker 1: some of the combine stuff, specifically the wide receivers. Let's

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Speaker 1: go to Jason Canada though for now. Jason, how are

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Speaker 1: you doing?

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Speaker 7: Hey?

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Speaker 8: Do you guys hear me?

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01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: Hey?

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Speaker 8: Yep, Hey, guys, just want to call it in first,

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01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 8: long time listening. I just want to let you know that.

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Speaker 8: What do you guys that made me watch the whole

1405
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 8: twenty twenty three seasons because I wanted to watch this show,

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Speaker 8: So thank you.

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Speaker 2: Love that, love to hear that.

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Speaker 8: The first question. I have two questions, one real question,

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01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 8: one kind of joke off season questions. So my first

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Speaker 8: question is, we're kind of I know a lot of

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Speaker 8: people are a bit scared to use our first the

1412
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Speaker 8: third overall pick for a QB. Yeah, using that to

1413
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 8: trade for like a more like kind of like the

1414
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,439
Speaker 8: qbs are about to get paid like Justin Herbert, which

1415
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 8: I think is perfect because maybe they could get JJ

1416
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 8: McCarthy with the Michigan head coach. And second question is

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Speaker 8: I just watched the Edelman podcast and he was talking

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Speaker 8: about the Second Dynasty and he made a pretty good

1419
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 8: point that on the Second Dynasty they got all the

1420
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Speaker 8: good looking players. So maybe we should just draft good

1421
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 8: looking players and that should be a draft strategy. Thanks.

1422
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Speaker 2: Who's best looking quarterback in the draft?

1423
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Speaker 4: Eedan? Oh, I don't even know. We'll see him all tomorrow.

1424
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 4: So can I give you my answer to that question?

1425
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I want you to put that on on Twitter next

1427
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: or yeah, we'll do it. Next week on the show. Well,

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Speaker 1: Sam Hartman doesn't.

1429
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 2: Have to bear the handsomest quarterback and.

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01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: Everybody made a big deal about Sam Hartman's beard this year.

1431
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 2: Anyway, who wins the Jimmy g Award of the of

1432
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 2: the four quarter.

1433
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 1: Well, Jimmy g Award can go multi ways. Because you

1434
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: say Jimmy g of this draft, my brain goes right

1435
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: to Michael Pennix. Unfortunately. But anyway to what was his

1436
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: other point? What was his other oh, trading for a quarterback?

1437
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: So I don't remember. There was that weird window when

1438
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: we thought Bill was going to the Chargers and everybody's like, yeah,

1439
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: but he hates Herbert, so he's gonna like he's gonna

1440
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: go there and move on from Herbert. If Justin Herbert

1441
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: is not a Charger this year, there's no excuse for

1442
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: him to not be a Patriot, period, full stop. That

1443
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: being said, he's gonna be like, they're gonna keep him.

1444
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: I think it would be ludicrous for they'm gonna trade him.

1445
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: It's an interesting theory. If that guy was available this offseason,

1446
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: he's not if they missed it because last year there

1447
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 1: were a couple guys, you know Rogers. Next year, do

1448
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: the Jags get disenfranchised with Trevor Lawrence and they get,

1449
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 1: you know, nauseous about paying him. That would be an

1450
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: interesting conversation to have. That guy doesn't exists this year,

1451
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: and so the theory is not bad. Yeah, but the

1452
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: players have to be in place to execute it. And

1453
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: who is the top quarterback that's a tree? It's probably

1454
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: Mac Jones because I'll take him over Wilson. What other

1455
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are trade candidates right now? Like starting quarterbacks? I

1456
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: don't think there is one, is it pick?

1457
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 2: I'll still take.

1458
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: Jones justin fields? Oh yeah, that's stupid for me. Yeah,

1459
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: but you're not trading three for fields like that kind

1460
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: of player doesn't Field is probably better than fields. Better

1461
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: trade can toon Mac, but he's not a starter. I'll

1462
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: take the guys at the top of the draft overfields.

1463
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: I'll even take some of the second tier. I'll take

1464
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: Panics overfields.

1465
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1466
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: I would take Panics overfields so that that guy just

1467
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: doesn't exist.

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01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 4: I wouldn't take Penics overfields, No, I want to take

1469
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:44,839
Speaker 4: Penics overfields.

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Speaker 1: If he clears the medicals. If he clears the medicals,

1471
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: you still have him on a rookie contract.

1472
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Speaker 2: I think that Justin Fields is. I would take Justin Fields.

1473
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 2: I don't know about that.

1474
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 4: I mean, like, if you're looking at it from if

1475
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,480
Speaker 4: you're looking at it from rookie contract.

1476
01:09:59,040 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 2: And all that.

1477
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: No, yeah, big picture makes it more complicated. But no,

1478
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: but that's how I'm looking at.

1479
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 2: How much is a better quarterback? That's it. I think,

1480
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 2: if he's fully healthy, a better quarterback.

1481
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't, I don't, I don't do. I mean

1482
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 4: just coming out of college. I I just wouldn't view

1483
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 4: it that way.

1484
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 2: But I just think that to the No.

1485
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 1: But I'm saying fields right now, not fields coming out

1486
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: of college. Fields right now. Uh yeah, I guess. I mean,

1487
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: but it's always I don't know.

1488
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 4: It's just easier in hindsight to say, well, Justin Fields

1489
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 4: doesn't worked out in the NFL. We don't know what

1490
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 4: Pennix is going to be in the NFL yet, you

1491
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 4: know it's his is just projections. So I personally would

1492
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:40,839
Speaker 4: take Justin Fields.

1493
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 2: I I would. I think I'll take the guy he

1494
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 2: was a better player.

1495
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: I'll take the guy's a chance at being good over

1496
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 1: the guy that has proven to not be great. It's

1497
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: been good, he hasn't been great. I don't think Justin

1498
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: Field's ceiling is where Penix.

1499
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 2: Is seeing just Oh really, uh, I don't know.

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01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 1: When you factor in the age contract all that assuming health.

1501
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 1: All right, well we're we have three years of data

1502
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: since then, which is my point. Yes, I had Fields

1503
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: rated higher as a prospect than I do Penix now.

1504
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 2: But I've also seen Justin Fields playing in the NFL

1505
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:15,839
Speaker 2: for last year. But I think if you're.

1506
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 4: Right, But I think that if you're a team that

1507
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 4: is trading for Justin Fields, you're you're trading for him

1508
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 4: because you think that you can groom him better than

1509
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 4: the Bears did. I'm not necessarily saying that's a way

1510
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 4: a smart way of thinking, but that's what you're trying.

1511
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 2: But if you're gonna groom.

1512
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: A guy, I'd rather have the four year window you

1513
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: have with Michael, assuming he's healthy. I'd rather the four

1514
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: year window you have with Michael Penix is supposed to

1515
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 1: having to pay Justin Fields next year.

1516
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 4: Have you have you looked up how old Michael Pennix

1517
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 4: is versus how old Justin Fields is the same age

1518
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 4: they are very very close in age.

1519
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, the funny one, because I did this for

1520
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: a project, I looked up how old?

1521
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 2: What was it? What was it? Who was it was? Somebody?

1522
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 2: It was somebody in Joe Milton. I was like going

1523
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 2: to have somebody. I think that's what it was. I

1524
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 2: got a lot hang on.

1525
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 1: I was doing like veterans and Bridge guys and one

1526
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: of them were like the or Bridge guys and rookies.

1527
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 8: Uh.

1528
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: Penix is twenty three May eight, two thousand.

1529
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 7: Uh.

1530
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: Panix is like a year and a half younger than

1531
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: Justin Fields.

1532
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is way closer than it should be.

1533
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 4: But it's it's four years seven eight for Brandon Fiskey,

1534
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 4: that's my guy.

1535
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: Oh they are they running? He ran a four seven eight?

1536
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 2: Good for him? No, you're good.

1537
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's do let's do this because I

1538
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 1: thought this is my guy right there. I can't Yeah,

1539
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: I don't know why we're doing the show this. We're

1540
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 1: both gonna get so distracted here. I didn't even use

1541
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:47,759
Speaker 1: this three o'clock yet.

1542
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 4: Bradley is laughing at me right now, Barth, he's laughing

1543
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 4: in my face for frogs.

1544
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 2: For tracking that.

1545
01:12:56,240 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: So I ran this exercise yesterday and I tweeted these

1546
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: numbers out and so we did the first hour show

1547
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: on quarterbacks. I want to transition to wide receivers, and

1548
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 1: I want to start here. I went back and looked

1549
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: at the wide receivers that were drafted under Elliott Wolf,

1550
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: so with the Browns, and then I didn't do his

1551
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: whole Packers career. I did from when he started in

1552
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: the player person Well. No, so there's a reason for this.

1553
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: He started in the pro personnel department, so that guy

1554
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: doesn't have anything to do with the draft. He then

1555
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: went to the player personnel department, so I counted those years.

1556
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: He went back to the pro personnel department, but I

1557
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: still counted those years because it felt weird to put

1558
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: a gap in the middle, and he'd already been in

1559
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: the building quite a bit at this point. So these

1560
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: are the wide receivers that Elliott Wolf was at least

1561
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 1: like a significant person in the room when they were drafted.

1562
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:48,719
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to give you the names because

1563
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: the names.

1564
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 2: Are not important.

1565
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 1: There's two guys who were really good, a couple guys

1566
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 1: are okay, and a few busts not really bus They

1567
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 1: were seventh round picks.

1568
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:56,719
Speaker 2: They just weren't.

1569
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: There were seventh round picks they washed out. The point

1570
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: is we're trying to We're not trying to identify whether

1571
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,640
Speaker 1: or not Elliot Wolf can draft wide receivers. And I

1572
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 1: know that people are probably screaming about that, but it's

1573
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: it's a two step process. Let's identify the wide receivers

1574
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 1: he might actually take based on the historical trends, and

1575
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: then we'll decide of the guys that fit that mold,

1576
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: who would we want him to take. So this is

1577
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 1: your average Elliott Wolf wide receiver. First of all, most

1578
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: of them are are Day three picks. Nine of twelve

1579
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: are on Day three. Never took one in the first

1580
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: round his from this window, So we're looking at guys basically,

1581
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 1: we'll say fifty on projected from the fiftieth picking down

1582
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: looking between six foot and sixty three. They really don't

1583
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: go under six foot, so like six 't one is

1584
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 1: looks like the sweet spot. Again with weight, a couple

1585
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 1: guys who are just under two hundred, they rarely go

1586
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 1: over two twenty. There's a couple guys that are like

1587
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: two nineteen to twenty, so I call it one ninety five

1588
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: to two fifteen. So we're looking at guy it's like

1589
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: six ' one two hundred five, two hundred ten pounds.

1590
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 1: Now here's the testing numbers. Four four eight forty thirty

1591
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 1: six point seven inch vertical, look at about a twelve

1592
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen on the bench, one hundred and twenty two

1593
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: hundred twenty three inch broad jump, six point eight six

1594
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: point nine to three cone, and the shuttle is some

1595
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 1: of the better shuttle numbers four point two to three.

1596
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 1: So those are the guys we're looking at. And I'll

1597
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 1: just to wrap it up because these are all abstract numbers.

1598
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 1: If you want to play along, the numbers are on

1599
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:35,719
Speaker 1: my Twitter. But I did an RAS score. It's incomplete

1600
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 1: because I didn't do the ten yard splits, but a

1601
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: hypothetical RAS score for the Elliott Wolf receiver nine point

1602
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: two overall good in terms of good grade for the size,

1603
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: great grade for explosiveness, good grade for agility, and great

1604
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 1: grade for speed. The RAS comps and there's a range

1605
01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 1: here where justin Jefferson, Derek, Alexander, Tie Streets, Chris Moore, Donovan,

1606
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 1: People's jones.

1607
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 2: So that's a lot of.

1608
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: Information to digest, but one of those, Yeah, I know,

1609
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 1: I was a big Tie Streets guy back in the

1610
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 1: day too. The point to take away from all of

1611
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: this is the guy. I think we're looking for big,

1612
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 1: but not massive, So that six foot threshold, if not

1613
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: over two hundred pounds close but not you know, totally

1614
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: jacked up either. And I think we're looking at explosiveness

1615
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 1: over agility. Speed is always gonna play at the wide

1616
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: receiver position. I think that you're I don't think they're

1617
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 1: gonna make it a point to find burners, but it's

1618
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 1: not like they're targeting slow guys to try to maximize

1619
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: that either. Speed is what it is. But the previous

1620
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 1: regime was quickness over explosiveness. I think that flips, and

1621
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a little more of an

1622
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: emphasis on size at the wide receiver position as well. Now,

1623
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 1: so evan, having studied these guys, when I go through

1624
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 1: those numbers again, six foot, six foot one, two hundred pounds, explosive,

1625
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: more than quick, who are the receivers that come and well,

1626
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 1: we can do the sex size again next week when

1627
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 1: we actually have the testing numbers and we can match

1628
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: them up more. But which of those guys, you know,

1629
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: when I give you those numbers, who stands out in

1630
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: this draft to you specifically?

1631
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 4: Like day two early day breaks obviously, right, I mean

1632
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 4: obviously we'd have to see the testing numbers, yeah, to

1633
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 4: get a complete picture of this. But you know, if

1634
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 4: we're talking about day two guys, you know, I have

1635
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 4: to imagine that a guy like Roman Wilson is going

1636
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 4: to be right in that general area, you know, Lad McConkie,

1637
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 4: probably a little bit too thin for what they would

1638
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 4: be looking for, which I think is fair. And then

1639
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 4: you know, but I still look at the whole thing

1640
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 4: of what the packers have been about, especially recently, like

1641
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 4: with those guys like Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs who

1642
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 4: are Elliott Wolf picks but are.

1643
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 2: Still in the right so they're not included on that list.

1644
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 4: I do think, yeah, yeah, I and even you know

1645
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 4: guys that he's dropped in the past, like a DeVante

1646
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 4: Adams or like a Greg Jennings, like a guy like

1647
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 4: eighty Mitchell. To me, is is really somebody that a

1648
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 4: little bit taller than that, like you know average height

1649
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 4: that you read right, I think he's probably what six

1650
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 4: two six three instead of six to.

1651
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 2: One, he's six six four.

1652
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 1: But again, these are averages you can yeah, six '

1653
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 1: four doesn't eliminate them, and they seem there seems to

1654
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: be more of a preference. Sorry, there seems to be

1655
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 1: more of a preference to go bigger to go smaller.

1656
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: So again, that like six foot to six foot three

1657
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: range was the sweet spot, but I think they'd be

1658
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:41,759
Speaker 1: looking at the guys who lie outside the sweet spot.

1659
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 1: I think they'd be more likely to go up from

1660
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: that then go down. And the traits kind of back

1661
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 1: that up up as well. Like bigger guys are generally

1662
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: more explosive, the smaller guys are generally more in the

1663
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,599
Speaker 1: in the quickness category. All right, go ahead, the delays

1664
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 1: killing us, go ahead, one, two, three and a half.

1665
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:00,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

1666
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 4: I think the other thing, you know, Adie Mitchell, would

1667
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 4: be probably at the top of my board, you know,

1668
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 4: assuming obviously that Marvin Harrison Junior neighbors and a Duneza.

1669
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 2: Are not We're talking.

1670
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:15,839
Speaker 4: Right, so we get to that next wave, Adi Mitchell,

1671
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 4: I would also look at just in that general outline, right,

1672
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 4: there is a guy like Ricky Piersoll, who I think

1673
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 4: has you know, the size, has some of that explosiveness.

1674
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,640
Speaker 4: Not the most overly explosive guy, but I look at

1675
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 4: him as another fit and that type of thing, you know,

1676
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 4: that's a that's a tough one though, because I think

1677
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 4: you also have to look at you know, how they

1678
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 4: they win in terms of their technique and their out running,

1679
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 4: and you know the film, not just the measurables, but

1680
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 4: just looking at it. You know, off the top of

1681
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 4: my head, guys like Adie Mitchell, Ricky Piersoll, maybe somebody

1682
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 4: like mal Kai Corley as well as I could see

1683
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 4: fitting you know that yak ability, West Coast offense, play,

1684
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 4: action heavy, that sort of thing. I think those guys

1685
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 4: are people that may be fit that. Those measurables that

1686
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 4: you're looking at.

1687
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 1: So the three guys who popped out to me and

1688
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 1: you said them all there, Roman Wilson, Ricky Piersall, Ady Mitchell,

1689
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 1: and I'll throw if we go a little further down

1690
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 1: to board, Brendan Rice, those are the guys I look

1691
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 1: at when I see the Packers trends under Elliott Wolf.

1692
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: Those are the guys that and we'll see what the

1693
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,600
Speaker 1: testing numbers are again if that backs it up. But

1694
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 1: the size, the explosiveness to quickness ratio, all of that.

1695
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 1: See Corley for me, He's built a little bit differently

1696
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 1: than those guys, and I think he might fit the

1697
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:39,680
Speaker 1: explosiveness thing.

1698
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 2: More.

1699
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 1: But there is one outlier on the list, Evan. That

1700
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: is Time Montgomery, who I think Coraley's gonna test very

1701
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 1: similar to that's funny, do you, I mean, do you

1702
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: disagree here?

1703
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 4: I'm not, no, No, I just think it's funny that

1704
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 4: it's Time on.

1705
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 1: Com Yeah, well this is so he's he's among the

1706
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 1: shorter receivers they've drafted Montgomery.

1707
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 2: He is.

1708
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: He did weigh in as the heaviest at the combine

1709
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: and he has one of the better uh three cone numbers,

1710
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 1: which is agility. His explosives, I mean, they're up there.

1711
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 1: His vertical was very good. But it's there's an Coray

1712
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 1: maybe doesn't fit. And that's why these numbers are. It's

1713
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 1: not a perfect it's a guide. I would say it's

1714
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:29,680
Speaker 1: a guide. It's not an exact science because Montgomery is

1715
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 1: a bit of an outlier to the general numbers. But

1716
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 1: when you look at Coraley, there is a guy on

1717
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 1: the list that I can point to and say, all right,

1718
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 1: well they have drafted a guy like that before and

1719
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 1: it worked out relatively well. Who just ran put down

1720
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm out of screens? Who just ran to Vandres sweat? Yes,

1721
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,719
Speaker 1: what do you do sweat five to seven.

1722
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 2: I want him to do better than that. Byron Murphy

1723
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:54,639
Speaker 2: ran a four to eight.

1724
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 4: I thought, I mean a five to seven at three

1725
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 4: hundred and sixty six is moving Yeah, I mean he's

1726
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 4: moving out. Oh, don't do that, Bradley. They hate that.

1727
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 4: Horns down down, down horn.

1728
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 1: I was wondering if Tovandre Swett and what would you

1729
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: give her his weight?

1730
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 2: Did he officially weigh in? Yeah, he's three sixty six.

1731
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 1: Oh that's down. That's down from what I thought. I

1732
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: thought he might enter Jordan Davis territory. I didn't think

1733
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 1: he was gonna go sub five. I didn't think he's

1734
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 1: gonna go sub five. But I thought he might be

1735
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: able to do like a five oh something or a

1736
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: low five to one, But no five to if that's

1737
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm a man. If this was like an old school

1738
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 1: Patriots here where they could just like, you know, all right,

1739
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 1: I have a bunch of good players, like who's who's

1740
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 1: gonna take them from good to great? I would be

1741
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 1: all over to Andandre Swett in like the late twenties,

1742
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: early thirties.

1743
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 2: That would be absolutely my guy for the Patriots. Big

1744
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 2: fan of his.

1745
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know you're this might surprise you, because you

1746
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 4: know how I feel about about defensive players right now, Barth.

1747
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 4: But out of all the guys that we've talked to

1748
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 4: over the last couple of days, he might have been

1749
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 4: the most impressive out of all of them because of

1750
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 4: his confidence. You know, he got up there yesterday and

1751
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 4: he said, you'll all find out tomorrow how much I weigh.

1752
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 2: I know everybody cares about how much I weigh. You'll

1753
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 2: see tomorrow.

1754
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 4: And he said that, you know, he just was you

1755
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 4: want to kind of reminded me of was a little

1756
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 4: bit of Christian Barmore. The way that he spoke at

1757
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 4: the podium of just fiery, you know, competitive, confident, cool,

1758
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 4: you know, all of those things. And I was really impressed.

1759
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 4: Not that I necessarily put too much stock into how

1760
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 4: they they handled themselves at these you know, short media interviews,

1761
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 4: but it was one of those guys that definitely was

1762
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 4: on my all Combine podium team so far.

1763
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:41,639
Speaker 2: I mean, and he was great Senior Bowl too.

1764
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 1: He's just somebody I'll be wherever he goes, unless it's

1765
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 1: you know, like Buffalo, I'll be rooting for him. Uh

1766
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 1: So on back back to the bit, back to the

1767
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: wide receivers. What are you so those are the kind

1768
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: of the numbers that I'm looking for? What are you

1769
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:54,799
Speaker 1: looking for.

1770
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 2: Satturday? I think, right.

1771
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 4: Is the receiver yep, Saturday at Tomorrow's Tomorrow's DB's and

1772
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 4: tight ends, and then Saturday is the skilled guys and

1773
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 4: the quarterbacks. I think the biggest thing, you know, I

1774
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 4: would wanted to just mention to, you know, talk touch

1775
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 4: a little bit on Moron Malchai Corley, Who's somebody that

1776
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 4: admittedly was a little bit late to in this process

1777
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 4: I'm at the Senior Bowl, but didn't really think that

1778
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 4: he popped too much in mobile. Not necessarily his setting though, right,

1779
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,639
Speaker 4: because he's such a yards after the catch guy, uh

1780
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 4: and uh in a physical guy people round in those practice. Yeah,

1781
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 4: so not necessarily his setting, I think. I guess you

1782
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 4: could say the same thing about Xavier Lagette as well

1783
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 4: to an extent.

1784
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 2: But I think the biggest thing is with Corley. Bart.

1785
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 4: You remember how much I love Dabari Rodgers as a prospect,

1786
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 4: one of my worst misses.

1787
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 1: Another Packers another Packers guy.

1788
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 4: I I yeah, yeah, And I do have some you know,

1789
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,799
Speaker 4: concerns that Corley is going to be similar to Amari

1790
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 4: Rodgers where he's not He doesn't really run routes at

1791
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 4: this stage. You know, he's not really a refined route runner.

1792
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 4: He's not really a downfield receiver. And so much of

1793
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 4: his production I think two thirds of his production has

1794
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 4: come after the catch in college this past season.

1795
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 2: Well rememberlate is that?

1796
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1797
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 2: Go ahead, sorry ahead, finish up.

1798
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 4: No, I'm just gonna say, is it going to translate?

1799
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 4: Like is the tackle breaking? Is the explosiveness, you know,

1800
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 4: the the ability in the open field? Like those things

1801
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 4: show on his college film, But in the case of

1802
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 4: Amari Rodgers, it didn't translate into the pros. And so

1803
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 4: you have this boom or bust of like you know,

1804
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 4: ceiling Deebo, Samuel Floor, Amari Rodgers. That's a wide variance

1805
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 4: that it could go either direction with a guy like that.

1806
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 4: But if you're trying to take a stab on day two,

1807
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 4: that's a guy that has some first round caliber trades

1808
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:54,719
Speaker 4: that might be available on the second day of the draft.

1809
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 1: Well, do you remember we talked about Amari Rodgers as

1810
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,759
Speaker 1: a running Now we talked about moving him to running

1811
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 1: back and making him like a third down kind of

1812
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: high break. And it's funny because with Coraley, Mike comp

1813
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 1: for him because I think he's bigger than Rogers and

1814
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 1: that will help. I think with Rogers it was just

1815
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 1: he his play strength wasn't there, Like he would just

1816
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 1: get bullied, you know, in the route, which for Coral

1817
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 1: he's not the biggest guy in the world. Mike com

1818
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,639
Speaker 1: for Coraley kind of his time Montgomery like time Montgomery

1819
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 1: coming out and that there's a physical element to it

1820
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 1: there with him that I think is important. But does

1821
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 1: that kind of guy, I don't know how much.

1822
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:37,600
Speaker 2: Sorry, go ahead, go.

1823
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 1: Ahead, does that kind of got We're and I'm talking

1824
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 1: Toime Montgomery like Packers. I'm not talking Patriots have Montgomery.

1825
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: I was talking Packers where he was playing multiple positions

1826
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:50,719
Speaker 1: and he was lining up in all these different spots.

1827
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 1: Is and you know you mentioned Debo two. That's kind

1828
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 1: of the apex player of this. How does that player

1829
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 1: Because you can't draft Malley Kai Corley and just play

1830
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 1: him like a regular wide receiver, like you said, like

1831
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 1: that's not at that point. Draft somebody else. If that's

1832
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 1: what you want. If you want a Yax slot receiver,

1833
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: draft Roman Wilson. You know you're asking for a different

1834
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 1: skill set. If you're drafting Malachai Corley, You're drafting him

1835
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:17,639
Speaker 1: to kind of be the Swiss Army Knife Deebo Samuel

1836
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 1: kind of player. How does that role fit? Where does

1837
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:26,799
Speaker 1: that role fit in Alex Van Pelt's offense. It doesn't

1838
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 1: fit in Alex Van Pelts offense.

1839
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 4: I think it does in some respects because of the

1840
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 4: amount of misdirection that they use in this offense. If

1841
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,599
Speaker 4: they are going to be a team that is going

1842
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 4: to move the pocket, it's going to be a bootleg team,

1843
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:44,679
Speaker 4: that's going to be a wide zone team with motion

1844
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 4: and misdirection off of it, like we've seen in the

1845
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:50,720
Speaker 4: past from Cleveland. Then that type of offense, you know,

1846
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 4: you get a guy like Malakai Corley, you know, on

1847
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 4: those little shallow crossing routes and the submarine routes as

1848
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 4: he slides across the formation and the misdirection in the low,

1849
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden he's coming out into the

1850
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 4: flats and he's got all this room to run with

1851
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 4: the football in his hands. You know, like those types

1852
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:09,560
Speaker 4: of things can happen in this type of offense, and

1853
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 4: they can create those types of things. But I think

1854
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:14,640
Speaker 4: the difference is, you know, with a Deebo Samuel is

1855
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 4: that Deebo Samuel I remember in college was much better

1856
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 4: at the top of the route than Malchi Corley is.

1857
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 2: Now. You know, That's what made.

1858
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:23,839
Speaker 4: Deebo Samuel so appealing is that he could run routes

1859
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 4: a little bit more crisply. He wasn't necessarily a refined

1860
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 4: route runner, but he could run routes down the field,

1861
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 4: whereas Corley I think is truly more like a gadget

1862
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 4: slot type of player. But he is appealing in terms

1863
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,879
Speaker 4: of those skills, those you know, those traits.

1864
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 2: Mara Rodgers is kind of the real floor.

1865
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 4: Like that's if he really But a guy like Dwayne

1866
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,719
Speaker 4: Eskridge and Seattle is another one. Yeah, you know, Dwayne

1867
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 4: Eskridge I think is maybe a little bit of a

1868
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 4: higher floor for him. You know, someone that can maybe

1869
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:56,600
Speaker 4: play in the return game, that can do some of

1870
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 4: those gadget things on offense. So I think that he

1871
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,759
Speaker 4: does fit a little bit and is someone that's interesting

1872
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 4: that people here, you know, talked to Jordan Reed, I

1873
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 4: keep mentioning yesterday and he seems pretty high on Coraley,

1874
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 4: and I think that there, you know, maybe I was

1875
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 4: a little bit.

1876
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:12,799
Speaker 2: Too low on him early on in the process.

1877
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 1: Let's go back to the phones real quick here, and

1878
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 1: then we'll hit on some other positions. Elder at North Carolina, Eldrid,

1879
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 1: how you doing, man.

1880
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:25,480
Speaker 7: Hey, Hello, hey, hey, hey, y'all, I fellas doing good?

1881
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:29,719
Speaker 7: Okay good? Uh okay, h Evan want to go ahead

1882
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 7: and shoot me down, because because don't finished say it.

1883
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 7: I won't say this one again. If Chicago don't get

1884
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 7: Marvin Harrison at three, I still say we get Marvin

1885
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 7: Harrison a messum Chicago ge him at one. I said, well,

1886
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:47,480
Speaker 7: get him at three and give Pennicks in two. Done, okay,

1887
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 7: all right, thank you, thank you, Yes, I'm sorry, I'm working.

1888
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 7: I got a low so Pinnix in two. And I

1889
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 7: would trade June on to try to get a suck

1890
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 7: at your Arizona. I get the top sucker because they

1891
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 7: need an age rush sure, and is he gonna get

1892
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 7: a stuck it or a third and trade up get

1893
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 7: a tackle up in the second round. That's what I

1894
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 7: would do. And uh, did you get to read out

1895
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 7: on Drake May from Kert Warner Because Paul went through

1896
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 7: it today, and I'll try to get in a joke

1897
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 7: that's same thing. We've been seeing every all year for

1898
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:21,559
Speaker 7: the last few years. That right there. But that's all

1899
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,519
Speaker 7: I gotta say. But I still say mart Harrison at

1900
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:27,599
Speaker 7: three pinnicked the two and that de'll be our best pick.

1901
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:31,080
Speaker 1: Thank you have a good one, Thanks Evan.

1902
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 2: What do you got? I have a good oney? All right?

1903
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 4: So I look his plan of Marvin Harrison Junior in

1904
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:39,679
Speaker 4: the first round in Pannix in the second round.

1905
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit here and.

1906
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 4: Tell you that it's a it's foolish or stupid or

1907
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 4: it stumb like that. There's sound reasoning for.

1908
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 2: That, just solid. It's just I don't think it's stir

1909
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 2: that bar that.

1910
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it's their best draft, but it's

1911
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 1: a good draft.

1912
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 2: Like you can't come away saying they had a bad draft.

1913
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, And I I get that there's gonna

1914
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 4: be though inherent concerns of whether or not they've got

1915
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 4: the guy at quarterback. You know, that's just gonna be

1916
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 4: the way that that is. But in general, like, that's

1917
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:08,720
Speaker 4: not it's not a terrible draft. I'm not gonna bash

1918
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 4: you if you think that's the best way of going.

1919
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 4: I just it's not the way I would go personally,

1920
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 4: I'd flip flop it. I just take the quarterback early

1921
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 4: and I take the receiver on day two.

1922
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:18,559
Speaker 2: But that's all right.

1923
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 4: And in terms of court Werner's notes, like, I've never

1924
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 4: shied away from the fact that that Drake made is

1925
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 4: is a little bit of a project. You know, there

1926
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 4: are things that he does in the pocket, you know,

1927
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 4: with his release, with his drifting in the pocket, that

1928
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 4: are concerning, you know, his footwork, mechanics and stuff like

1929
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 4: that need some develop it. I just think that in

1930
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 4: a lot of ways, you know, Barth, you mentioned Justin

1931
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:48,599
Speaker 4: Herbert and Josh Allen earlier in the show. I think

1932
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:50,559
Speaker 4: that in a lot of ways that all the things

1933
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 4: that everybody tried to explain away those two guys with

1934
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 4: that they had. You know, Alan was accuracy, right, you know,

1935
01:31:56,720 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 4: sporadic accuracy, couldn't control the football consistently. Justin Herbert was

1936
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 4: you know, the intangible stuff, and you know some of

1937
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:07,640
Speaker 4: the Oregon offense stuff, you know, could he do it

1938
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 4: at a higher volume that type of thing. I just

1939
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 4: feel like that's what we're doing to Drake Mays. Yeah,

1940
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 4: he's got things to fix. Every quarterback's got things to

1941
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 4: work on, and things to fix, and he certainly isn't

1942
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 4: absolved with that. But if you get him mechanically tied together,

1943
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 4: then you're gonna get a really, really good quarterback.

1944
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1945
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 1: Again, it's the some of the parts. He's what you

1946
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:30,720
Speaker 1: make of him. I think that's what it ultimately comes

1947
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 1: down to with Drake may. All right, you mentioned trapping

1948
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle there, Eldridge mentioned an offensive tackle.

1949
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 2: What are you looking for a tackle position this week? Yeah?

1950
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 4: I think, you know, just talking to the assistant coaches

1951
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago, and you know, listening to

1952
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 4: what those guys had to say about what they look

1953
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 4: for and players and tackles and things like that, I

1954
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 4: think you know, length is going to be important. I

1955
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,720
Speaker 4: think length and range at that position. I think that,

1956
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:03,640
Speaker 4: you know, the Browns went away from some of that

1957
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 4: wide zone stuff in recent years, but I don't think

1958
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 4: that that was out of desire or something that they

1959
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 4: wanted to do. I think it was more out of

1960
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:15,800
Speaker 4: necessity for the personnel that they had and for some

1961
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:17,799
Speaker 4: of the injuries that they had at the tackle position.

1962
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 4: So I think the Patriots are going to be looking

1963
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 4: for guys that check those measurable boxes in terms of

1964
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 4: arm length, and you know, are going to be athletic

1965
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 4: players at that position that can block in a zone system.

1966
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:30,599
Speaker 2: I think that's the way that they're going.

1967
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 4: So just looking at some of those things, you get

1968
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 4: into that thirty fourth overall pick and you are a

1969
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 4: little bit limited in terms of what's still available. But

1970
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 4: you know, one guy that I watched recently, I guess

1971
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 4: we can do Recncy buys.

1972
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can finally do this.

1973
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we've got three weeks of backup to do,

1974
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 1: but go ahead.

1975
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 2: So here's here.

1976
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:54,719
Speaker 4: Here's my recency bias to the pick of the week.

1977
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:58,439
Speaker 4: I was watching him on the plane ride here to Indy.

1978
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:01,680
Speaker 4: Is that Kingsley seem my tie from BYU. You know,

1979
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:05,040
Speaker 4: you just look at this guy, three hundred and twenty pounds.

1980
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:08,080
Speaker 4: He checks all the measurables boxes, you know, nearly thirty

1981
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:12,640
Speaker 4: four inch arms. He is extremely athletic, a guy that

1982
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:16,760
Speaker 4: is extremely good in space, a very fluid mover, good

1983
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 4: pass protector. But really the explosiveness and the ability to

1984
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 4: get out of his stance and get into poles and

1985
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 4: climbs and things like that. Fitness Alex Van Pelt system perfectly.

1986
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 4: He's a little bit over aggressive, they're going to have to,

1987
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 4: you know, reel him in. But we always talk about

1988
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 4: with lineman, you'd much rather reel him in than have

1989
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 4: to get the physicality and the urgency.

1990
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:38,320
Speaker 2: Out of them.

1991
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 4: So he's somebody that you know, he can't get a

1992
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 4: little bit over extended, he can't get a little bit

1993
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 4: off balance in space because he does play such a

1994
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 4: frantic style right now, but if you can reel that

1995
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 4: in a little bit. Has a really good athleticism and

1996
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 4: somebody that can play on the left side and the

1997
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 4: right side. So I look at him as a player

1998
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 4: that would fit a zone system perfectly and be able

1999
01:34:59,960 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 4: to to do a lot of the things that Van

2000
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 4: Pell wants him to do.

2001
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 1: All right, So we've covered the three big positions, and

2002
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 1: we could go position by position through the other but

2003
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:08,919
Speaker 1: I think that's a great point. We haven't done recency

2004
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 1: bias players.

2005
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 2: We've wanted to do it.

2006
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 1: We did it last year, so maybe we just closed

2007
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:15,120
Speaker 1: some individual players from other positions. If you're not familiar

2008
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 1: with this exercise, having gone through the draft process with Evan,

2009
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 1: what is this is? Our Our first draft was nineteen.

2010
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 1: This is our six draft. So Evan, look, Evan always

2011
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:32,960
Speaker 1: has a couple core guys that he likes, but for

2012
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 1: the most part, Evan's favorite player in the draft is

2013
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:39,720
Speaker 1: the last player he watched. Like you ask Evan, right,

2014
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,360
Speaker 1: you ask Evin three different days with fair players, they'll

2015
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 1: tell you three different players.

2016
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 2: He just loves the.

2017
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 1: Last guy he saw it, and then at the end

2018
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:48,679
Speaker 1: of the process he kind of puts them on the context.

2019
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:50,720
Speaker 1: So last year we started this thing, which was the

2020
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:53,240
Speaker 1: recency bias player of the week, Like, who did Evan

2021
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 1: just watch that? He's now all excited about That's gonna

2022
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 1: get over written next week by the next guy. I

2023
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 1: have mine as well, but we've been We've been like

2024
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 1: putting this in the show notes for three weeks and

2025
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 1: we just keep not getting to it. So we have

2026
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 1: a bit of a backlog here. So I'm actually gonna

2027
01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:11,000
Speaker 1: go back a little bit. In shocker, most of mine

2028
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 1: are on defense, honestly, just because the way the season's gone,

2029
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:16,879
Speaker 1: I was catching up on a lot of the offensive

2030
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 1: players early in the year, so I was super excited

2031
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 1: though about mine. The first week he brought it up

2032
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:24,640
Speaker 1: because I had just done my mock draft, and I

2033
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 1: kind of stumbled. I was aware of this guy, but

2034
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:28,599
Speaker 1: I kind of stumbled on him and took a deeper look,

2035
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 1: and now I'm really excited about him. And I understand

2036
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:33,280
Speaker 1: he's met with or plans to meet with every team

2037
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 1: at the Combine. So clearly somebody the league is high

2038
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 1: on as well. And I think he makes a lot

2039
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 1: of sense for the Patriots all things considered. And that's

2040
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 1: Mohammed Kamara, the defensive end from Colorado State. UH projected

2041
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 1: early Day three pick. I don't think he ends up

2042
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 1: getting into Day two just because there's such like he's

2043
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 1: He's on the smaller side. He's six ' one two

2044
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:59,760
Speaker 1: point fifty two. That's what he measured in at the

2045
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 1: bowlreate a good week. Smaller school guy obviously played played

2046
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 1: in the Mountain West, but the productions off the charts.

2047
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 1: He had thirteen sacks in twelve games last year. Plays

2048
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 1: with an incredible motor, incredibly physical. He's got a good

2049
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 1: understanding of what goes into a pass rush. I know

2050
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 1: Eldridge talked about trading Matthew Judon. I don't know that

2051
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:22,160
Speaker 1: I'd go that far, but josh U Jason Penning free agent.

2052
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:25,439
Speaker 1: They're going to need pass rush linebackers. They need to

2053
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:28,760
Speaker 1: start building up a pipeline there. Mohammed Kamara early on

2054
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:30,640
Speaker 1: Day three, I think is the kind of guy that

2055
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:32,760
Speaker 1: could be a rotational player in year one and grow

2056
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 1: into it. But I look at him and everything we've

2057
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:39,760
Speaker 1: heard from Drodmeo and DeMarcus Comington and Elliot Wolf about

2058
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 1: the defense being faster, more physical, more aggressive, that's Mohammed

2059
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:44,800
Speaker 1: Kamara to me.

2060
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 2: This dude is a pest.

2061
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 1: He is the kind of guy that offensive linemen are

2062
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 1: going to hate, and he may not be the most

2063
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 1: overly dominant player right away, but he is going to

2064
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:55,799
Speaker 1: show up in the NFL and be a presence.

2065
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 2: I truly feel that. Yeah.

2066
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 4: I mean, look the edge rushers we can we're gonna

2067
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:04,559
Speaker 4: get through free agency, and there's a good chance that

2068
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 4: edge rusher is gonna be pretty high on the list

2069
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:10,599
Speaker 4: of needs. Especially if you look at it and they

2070
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 4: fill tight end, and they fill running back, and they

2071
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 4: fill some of these other spots, then edge rusher is

2072
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 4: going to be right there, you know, third fourth on

2073
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 4: the needs list in my opinion, behind quarterback, receiver, and tackle.

2074
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:25,720
Speaker 4: So it's definitely one of those spots that if and

2075
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:28,599
Speaker 4: Jennings are no longer here and then maybe Matthew Judon's

2076
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:29,240
Speaker 4: no longer here.

2077
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:31,920
Speaker 2: It's it's a major, major need for this team.

2078
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 4: So I think that all those guys are people that

2079
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 4: we need to start paying attention to him.

2080
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:37,720
Speaker 1: I'm talking more to myself, right, So that's a long

2081
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:42,879
Speaker 1: way of saying, you haven't watched Kamara. So oh definitely

2082
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:44,960
Speaker 1: not no, no.

2083
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:48,599
Speaker 4: Get to it. But seriously, I think there's the one.

2084
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 4: The one guy though, I will give you in the

2085
01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 4: edge group that that stood out in the Senior Bowl

2086
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:54,759
Speaker 4: was was Nelson Caesar from Houston.

2087
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2088
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:59,320
Speaker 4: He was impressive with his past rush toolbox, more like

2089
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:01,800
Speaker 4: a josh U A type, right that is gonna just

2090
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:04,160
Speaker 4: have a bunch of different tools in his bag to

2091
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:05,679
Speaker 4: beat tackles in the pass rush.

2092
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:07,560
Speaker 2: So I think if you're looking.

2093
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:11,759
Speaker 4: For that type of player, not necessarily the Anthony Jennings,

2094
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:14,240
Speaker 4: you know, set the edge guy, but more of the

2095
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:18,040
Speaker 4: get after the quarterback guy than the Caesar really was

2096
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:22,760
Speaker 4: impressive down in Mobile, So maybe that's somebody that they

2097
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:24,640
Speaker 4: look at in that third or fourth round range at

2098
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:25,040
Speaker 4: that spot.

2099
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:26,120
Speaker 2: I give you one, mon so.

2100
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 1: Just real quick that to shock you real quick though,

2101
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 1: and I'm guessing he's gonna be a running back based

2102
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:31,559
Speaker 1: on how you said that, Yeah, I want to go

2103
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:34,000
Speaker 1: through a couple from the last few weeks. But well

2104
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 1: you mentioned Jennings in Uche and that kind of guy.

2105
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 1: That's what interests me about Kamara. He plays like Josh Uche,

2106
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 1: but he's built more like Anthony Jennings, Like he's a

2107
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:46,800
Speaker 1: little shorter, he's definitely more stout. He's more like, you know,

2108
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 1: built out, you know, wider, but he plays he kind

2109
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 1: of has that hair on fire mentality that Josh does.

2110
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 1: So it's really interesting, all right, which running back is

2111
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:56,720
Speaker 1: a is a recency biased guy for you?

2112
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:03,519
Speaker 4: So I recently, you know, rounded out bo Nicks and

2113
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:05,200
Speaker 4: just kind of watched a little bit more of bo

2114
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 4: Nicks just to make sure I feel the right way

2115
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,439
Speaker 4: about him. And I gotta tell you, Alex, Bucky Irvings

2116
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 4: is gonna be a really good NFL running back.

2117
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:15,839
Speaker 2: You know that he's an.

2118
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:21,439
Speaker 4: Explosive back, good quick feet, navigates the trash well in

2119
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:24,200
Speaker 4: between the trenches. But it's really more of a space back,

2120
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 4: right And I just look at what they have right

2121
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:31,000
Speaker 4: now with Ramandre Stevenson and as great as I love Vermandre,

2122
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:33,760
Speaker 4: like I'm not trying to tell you that Remandre's bad

2123
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:36,759
Speaker 4: or I don't like him, but I would just love

2124
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 4: to pair Ramandre Stevenson with it with you know, thunder

2125
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:43,240
Speaker 4: and lightning, right like give me Vermandre is your you know,

2126
01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:46,920
Speaker 4: the road grader, and then you have the explosive, big

2127
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:50,760
Speaker 4: playback and I feel like Bucky Irving is exactly that

2128
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:51,439
Speaker 4: in that draft.

2129
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's going to be quite.

2130
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:57,559
Speaker 4: As fast as like in Isaiah Pacheco is, but you know,

2131
01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 4: I think he's gonna be like low four four in

2132
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:03,320
Speaker 4: the draft in the forty maybe I think Isaiah pa

2133
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:05,360
Speaker 4: Checko is four three eight or four to three seven

2134
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:06,719
Speaker 4: if I remember correctly.

2135
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:09,280
Speaker 2: But I love the way that Bucky Irving runs.

2136
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:12,000
Speaker 1: The two guys I look at in that range again,

2137
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:13,519
Speaker 1: if you want to do like that speed guy, and

2138
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely with you on the idea of you get

2139
01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:18,680
Speaker 1: a faster back to Paris Stevenson, who's more power, and

2140
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:21,680
Speaker 1: you go away from the early down passing down thing

2141
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:24,720
Speaker 1: and just well rounded backs, and they want to take

2142
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:26,760
Speaker 1: the guy early on day three kind of where they

2143
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:29,519
Speaker 1: took Stevenson. I think Bucky Irving is one. In Jalen

2144
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 1: right from Tennessee, I think those are the two guys

2145
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:37,799
Speaker 1: you look at in that range as realistic, realistic fits

2146
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:39,400
Speaker 1: for the Patriots. All right, you got another because we've

2147
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 1: been trying to do this for like three weeks, even

2148
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:43,680
Speaker 1: if they're not a recency biased guy. Now like a

2149
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:46,559
Speaker 1: guy who was at some point, give me another one.

2150
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, So this wasn't recent, this was you know, I'm

2151
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:53,720
Speaker 4: not going to tell you that I just discovered Jatavian Sanders, right, Like,

2152
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:56,680
Speaker 4: obviously everybody knows who he is, but I think I

2153
01:41:56,680 --> 01:42:00,360
Speaker 4: think watching Adie Mitchell and Xavier Worthy, it's really hard

2154
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:02,760
Speaker 4: to watch those two guys and then not notice ja

2155
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:05,519
Speaker 4: Jatavian Sanders as well. I mean, he's all over there

2156
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:08,639
Speaker 4: film at Texas this past season, and I just keep

2157
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:11,400
Speaker 4: coming back to the same thing of David and Joku

2158
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:14,439
Speaker 4: with Cleveland last year in this offense, and how they

2159
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:16,599
Speaker 4: can unlock that tight end position to be a little

2160
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:18,920
Speaker 4: bit more explosive, to be a little bit more of

2161
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:21,439
Speaker 4: a big play threat. And I think that's exactly what

2162
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:24,639
Speaker 4: Jatavian Sanders is. Not necessarily the blocker, you know, He's

2163
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:26,479
Speaker 4: not gonna put his hand in the dirt and block

2164
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:29,240
Speaker 4: people at a high level, but He's somebody that can

2165
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 4: create chunk plays in the past game vertically up the seams,

2166
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 4: you know, stretch the field vertically, and then he can

2167
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:36,200
Speaker 4: also create with it with the ball in his hands.

2168
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:38,080
Speaker 4: So if you're just looking for a guy that can

2169
01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:40,960
Speaker 4: hit chunk plays off of play action looks and things

2170
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:43,800
Speaker 4: like that, Jatavian Sanders is that guy.

2171
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 2: And I think we both have done mock drafts. I

2172
01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:47,120
Speaker 2: think you had him right.

2173
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:50,719
Speaker 4: I took him there draft going to the Patriots, and yeah,

2174
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:53,600
Speaker 4: I think we both we do these mock drafts, and

2175
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 4: I can't help but want to take Jatavian Sanders at

2176
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:01,000
Speaker 4: thirty four or you know, maybe down like you did

2177
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:04,240
Speaker 4: or something like that to get him into the mock somehow,

2178
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:07,840
Speaker 4: because he's a guy that looks exactly like an Alex

2179
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:08,840
Speaker 4: Van Pelt tight end.

2180
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:10,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I trade down from thirty four and I took

2181
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:13,519
Speaker 1: Sanders and Patrick Paul and and that was my second

2182
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:14,120
Speaker 1: round and.

2183
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 2: Feel pretty good about that.

2184
01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:18,280
Speaker 1: It's fun So it's funny you say that one of

2185
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 1: my recncy biased guys. So I had two receivers who

2186
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:23,759
Speaker 1: are similar players. There's slightly different ranges in the draft.

2187
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 1: One is like a fifth sixth round guy, the others

2188
01:43:27,479 --> 01:43:29,800
Speaker 1: like a sixth seventh maybe UDFA guy.

2189
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 2: But I you know, this isn't this.

2190
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:36,240
Speaker 1: Shouldn't be Neither of these guys should be the only

2191
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 1: receiver they take, or I guess, like if they make

2192
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 1: a big if they you know, sign a Michael Pittman

2193
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:44,680
Speaker 1: or a Mike Evans or trade for somebody like that.

2194
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:47,320
Speaker 2: Like, but if you're gonna stop prefacing it, just give

2195
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 2: us the player.

2196
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:49,639
Speaker 1: If you're gonna know, but like if you're gonna double

2197
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:52,240
Speaker 1: up at receiver and you're gonna take another receiver later

2198
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:54,439
Speaker 1: on day three, so one guy. You have all these

2199
01:43:54,439 --> 01:44:00,000
Speaker 1: guys at Texas just explosive athletes, right, you have Ady Mitchell, Xavier,

2200
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 1: the Jatavian Sanders. There was another guy in that offense

2201
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:07,160
Speaker 1: named Jordan Whittington who was the chain mover. And he's

2202
01:44:07,160 --> 01:44:09,320
Speaker 1: not explosive like those other guys, but he would get

2203
01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:11,479
Speaker 1: to that intermediate and he'd find the hole in his

2204
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:13,640
Speaker 1: own he'd sit down. He was very reliable and he

2205
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:17,080
Speaker 1: could get away from defenders and really good hands, good

2206
01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:20,760
Speaker 1: catch radius. Especially if there was a report today that

2207
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 1: the Patriots might, you know, be looking to trade Devonte Parker.

2208
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:25,559
Speaker 1: If a guy like Juju's on the table as well.

2209
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:28,240
Speaker 1: You don't get Kendrick Bourne back. They need the explosive receiver,

2210
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:30,519
Speaker 1: they do, but they also need the chain mover. And

2211
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:34,080
Speaker 1: Jordan Whittington reminds me a little bit of Jacoby Myers

2212
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:36,280
Speaker 1: and just that guy that I don't think you're gonna

2213
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:38,559
Speaker 1: send Jordan Whittington down the field and you're not gonna

2214
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:41,800
Speaker 1: have him be your big play guy. But third and six,

2215
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:44,800
Speaker 1: Jordan Whittington's the guy that I think can develop into

2216
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:47,880
Speaker 1: one of those really reliable chain moving receivers. And then

2217
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 1: another guy that I think is a little further away

2218
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:52,920
Speaker 1: but projects as the same kind of receiver also some

2219
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:56,640
Speaker 1: special teams experience, and that's a bubb Means from Pittsburgh.

2220
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:58,479
Speaker 1: But Whittington was a guy that I kind of got

2221
01:44:58,560 --> 01:44:59,360
Speaker 1: like sneaky excited.

2222
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:02,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2223
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a couple of those receivers that I think

2224
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:09,000
Speaker 4: can really help themselves this this weekend. You know, guy

2225
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:12,840
Speaker 4: like Javon Baker for example, Malik Washington had that huge

2226
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:18,000
Speaker 4: Shrine Bowl. Those two guys come to mind. Burton at Alabama,

2227
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 4: right like the other guy that I think, if he

2228
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:22,120
Speaker 4: runs well, is gonna all of a sudden be in

2229
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:26,240
Speaker 4: the you know, late third, early fourth round conversation. So

2230
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:30,559
Speaker 4: those guys all I think are in a cluster of

2231
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:34,479
Speaker 4: you know, right now probably top one fifty guys, but

2232
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:37,479
Speaker 4: maybe not you know, Day two guys, maybe earlier Day

2233
01:45:37,479 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 4: three that if they run well, and Baker somebody that's

2234
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:44,599
Speaker 4: just I feel like skyrocketing here this week. A lot

2235
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:47,639
Speaker 4: of buzz for him here at the combine. So if

2236
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:50,920
Speaker 4: he's someone that runs well on Saturday, then watch out,

2237
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:54,040
Speaker 4: you know, third round pick, you know, possibly at the end.

2238
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:55,920
Speaker 4: I would say more towards the end, but I think

2239
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:57,240
Speaker 4: it's possible if he runs well.

2240
01:45:57,760 --> 01:45:58,799
Speaker 2: Any thoughts on Whittington.

2241
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:04,320
Speaker 4: I have not watched Winnington either. You watched Going Deep,

2242
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:08,760
Speaker 4: but I the guy with number thirteen, watched Texas like

2243
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:09,759
Speaker 4: four times.

2244
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:12,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I oh.

2245
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 4: He made that big catch against Washington, right yeah, along

2246
01:46:16,360 --> 01:46:18,920
Speaker 4: the sideline, kind of acrobatic catch.

2247
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:20,720
Speaker 2: That was the one thing that stood out to me

2248
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 2: was his hands, you know very well.

2249
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:26,720
Speaker 4: Yeah times, I we we, we did. We discussed these

2250
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:29,519
Speaker 4: guys a lot, and we taught I, you know me

2251
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 4: especially talk about separation and explosiveness in your routes and

2252
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:35,840
Speaker 4: releases and getting off the line of scrimmage and all

2253
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:38,120
Speaker 4: that stuff is really important. But when you talk at

2254
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:41,880
Speaker 4: NFL guys, so much of their conversation starts with hands.

2255
01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:45,519
Speaker 4: You know, are these guys able to you know, avoid

2256
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:49,040
Speaker 4: drops obviously, but also you know, catch ratious hand strength,

2257
01:46:49,120 --> 01:46:51,759
Speaker 4: you know, ability to catch the ball away from their bodies,

2258
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 4: ability to transition right into yak moode like those types

2259
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:58,200
Speaker 4: of things that I think NFL teams stress, maybe a

2260
01:46:58,240 --> 01:47:00,720
Speaker 4: little bit more than people like me that are just

2261
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:02,360
Speaker 4: looking at it and saying, I just want guys that

2262
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:06,160
Speaker 4: run flashy routes, you know. So, uh, he's someone that's

2263
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:08,439
Speaker 4: like that as like a league guy that's gonna be

2264
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:11,519
Speaker 4: some somebody that some scout is gonna pound the table

2265
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:14,439
Speaker 4: for because of his hands and his ability to snag

2266
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:16,040
Speaker 4: the ball over his head especially.

2267
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:18,800
Speaker 1: All Right, you thought that was a deep cut, I'm

2268
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:22,160
Speaker 1: gonna go even deeper now. And this is a guy

2269
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:27,360
Speaker 1: that I liked, I liked I liked going into the

2270
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:29,840
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, but I thought he did himself a ton

2271
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:34,080
Speaker 1: of favors at the Senior Bowl. We're still talking sixth,

2272
01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:35,840
Speaker 1: seventh round pick. This is the guy you're gonna bring

2273
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:38,439
Speaker 1: in for depth. He's gonna help your reset on special

2274
01:47:38,439 --> 01:47:40,680
Speaker 1: teams and be a developmental player who maybe becomes a

2275
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:45,400
Speaker 1: rotational defensive player in a couple of years. But we're

2276
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 1: not only gonna talk about the top one hundred guys.

2277
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:48,479
Speaker 1: This is the show we do. This is the guy

2278
01:47:48,520 --> 01:47:50,439
Speaker 1: I think if they take him in the seventh round,

2279
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:54,440
Speaker 1: would hang around Jackson Sermon from Cal the linebacks.

2280
01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:55,080
Speaker 2: That's what you do.

2281
01:47:55,880 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 1: Hyper hyper productive at at Cal two years ago. Suffer

2282
01:48:00,120 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 1: injury last year so we missed most of the season

2283
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:06,520
Speaker 1: and came back. This dude is just always around the football,

2284
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:10,000
Speaker 1: whether it's on defense, whether it's on special teams, whatever

2285
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:13,720
Speaker 1: he's doing, he just gets to the ball. And when

2286
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:16,760
Speaker 1: I see guys like that, like he's more that traditional,

2287
01:48:17,320 --> 01:48:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, stand up off ball middle linebacker, he's not.

2288
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:26,200
Speaker 1: He's not somebody you'd call new age or anything like that.

2289
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:29,360
Speaker 1: But the Patriots have obviously worked guys like that in.

2290
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:33,040
Speaker 1: I think he'd give you some depth for Juwan Bentley.

2291
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:35,320
Speaker 1: He's six two, two forty. He'd give you some depth

2292
01:48:35,360 --> 01:48:37,400
Speaker 1: for Juwan Bentley. He'd give you a little bit of

2293
01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:39,639
Speaker 1: a project player in that role. And he's somebody who

2294
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:41,840
Speaker 1: could contribute it in the kicking game. But Again, when

2295
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:45,880
Speaker 1: I see guys that are just around the football as

2296
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:47,960
Speaker 1: much as he is, just get him on the team

2297
01:48:48,040 --> 01:48:51,160
Speaker 1: because generally those guys end up figuring something out. Maybe

2298
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:53,240
Speaker 1: they're not all pros, but they generally end up figuring

2299
01:48:53,320 --> 01:48:55,479
Speaker 1: something out. And he kind of stuck out to me

2300
01:48:55,479 --> 01:48:56,120
Speaker 1: at the Senior Ball.

2301
01:48:56,120 --> 01:48:56,679
Speaker 2: I don't know that.

2302
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 1: The only other guy would be Evan Williams, the safety

2303
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:01,439
Speaker 1: for Morgan, who had a really good week. Those two

2304
01:49:01,479 --> 01:49:03,719
Speaker 1: guys I felt like, Yeah, when they were on the field,

2305
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:06,479
Speaker 1: were always around the ball, and that's what I look

2306
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:11,679
Speaker 1: for on defense, like how often are you in the play?

2307
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:12,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2308
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:16,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, Evan Williams is definitely somebody that stood out down

2309
01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 4: at the Senior Bowl.

2310
01:49:17,439 --> 01:49:19,519
Speaker 1: So you can talk about him too if you want,

2311
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:21,000
Speaker 1: because I know you haven't watched a sermon.

2312
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:24,400
Speaker 2: No, yeah, definitely not.

2313
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:26,479
Speaker 4: But there's even though you were at the scene in

2314
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:30,360
Speaker 4: his game, right, which is Oh, we were talking about

2315
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 4: this a little bit on our shows. It's just how

2316
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:37,719
Speaker 4: much there is just a lack of post safety play

2317
01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:40,559
Speaker 4: in college football now. They just don't play a ton

2318
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:43,200
Speaker 4: of like single high free safety anymore. It's just not

2319
01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:46,160
Speaker 4: a spot, you know, obviously, the guys at the top

2320
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:48,360
Speaker 4: of the draft, like a Cam Kitchens is like probably

2321
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:51,200
Speaker 4: the best at it, but that year really talking about

2322
01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:53,479
Speaker 4: using like a top forty pick on a safety, which

2323
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:55,240
Speaker 4: I don't know if the Patriots.

2324
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:56,599
Speaker 2: Necessarily are going to do that this year.

2325
01:49:56,680 --> 01:49:58,840
Speaker 4: So you just look at you know, some of these

2326
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:00,439
Speaker 4: guys that can do that sort of thing. I thought

2327
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:03,320
Speaker 4: Evan Williams did it decently well. But in general, college

2328
01:50:03,320 --> 01:50:07,240
Speaker 4: football nowadays is so quarters based, Like everything is quarter's base.

2329
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:09,880
Speaker 4: It's all too high you know, soft zone type of

2330
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:13,480
Speaker 4: stuff to keep away the explosive plays and defend RPOs.

2331
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 4: So that's just so much of that is you know,

2332
01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:19,240
Speaker 4: something I've been thinking about as we get into this

2333
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:22,360
Speaker 4: next regime with girod Mayo, how much are they going

2334
01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 4: to play you know, post safety because it's supplying demand, right,

2335
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:29,000
Speaker 4: you know, if there are no center fielders and then

2336
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 4: you can't just keep pigeonholing box safeties into center field,

2337
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:34,439
Speaker 4: like eventually you have to transition to your scheme to

2338
01:50:34,479 --> 01:50:36,680
Speaker 4: the types of players that are coming up through the

2339
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:37,639
Speaker 4: ranks and so.

2340
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:42,639
Speaker 1: Or take a truly developmental player and you know, figure

2341
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:44,160
Speaker 1: out a way to get him behind the scenes and

2342
01:50:44,200 --> 01:50:46,760
Speaker 1: really have him learn it and focus on it in

2343
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:48,479
Speaker 1: something like that, and like you said, I mean I

2344
01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:50,360
Speaker 1: think Evan Williams is the guy that projects that way.

2345
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:51,519
Speaker 1: There are a couple of guys at the Senior Bowl

2346
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:53,800
Speaker 1: and trying to remember who the other one was that

2347
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:57,679
Speaker 1: really stood out. Oh the kid from Utah a bishop.

2348
01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:00,439
Speaker 1: There's two Utah safeties. Every coach one was one of

2349
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:03,000
Speaker 1: them was playing a ton of post safety, right, Yeah,

2350
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 1: so I do think finding a.

2351
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:08,840
Speaker 4: Guy yeah, you know, even like yeah, like there's there's

2352
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:13,040
Speaker 4: a just you know, Bullard uh from from Georgia was

2353
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:16,600
Speaker 4: the guy that stood out today at the podium and

2354
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:19,479
Speaker 4: stuff like that. Yeah, you know, just an adult, you know,

2355
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 4: just you can tell he's a mature kid and played

2356
01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:24,720
Speaker 4: a lot of college football at big school and he's

2357
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:28,000
Speaker 4: prepared for this. But he's a nickel, you know, he's

2358
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:30,920
Speaker 4: he's a box safety, nickel type of player. And they

2359
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:34,000
Speaker 4: they all Georgia plays is split safety, like they played

2360
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:36,920
Speaker 4: so little single high. And if they do play single high,

2361
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:40,160
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's post snap rotations and things like that,

2362
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Speaker 4: so it's not like true single high. So yeah, it's

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01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:45,800
Speaker 4: gonna be interesting to see, you know how much if

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01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:49,240
Speaker 4: there is like a ever a renaissance of those types

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01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:51,920
Speaker 4: of players, because it seems like you know, the the

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01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:55,160
Speaker 4: true like you know Ed Reid centerfielder, like that guy is.

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Speaker 2: You don't find that guy a lot anymore.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Evan, give me one more up or one

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01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 1: more recency bias player you've had in the last couple

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01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:04,960
Speaker 1: of weeks who we didn't get to before we wrap

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Speaker 1: it up here.

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Speaker 4: You know, just to I guess rounded out on the

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01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:13,960
Speaker 4: on the Texas offensive line and Christian Jones that their

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01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:18,120
Speaker 4: tackle has really been impressive at the Senior Bowl. I

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01:52:18,120 --> 01:52:20,599
Speaker 4: think he's impressive on film at Texas. I just would

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01:52:20,680 --> 01:52:23,040
Speaker 4: draft the whole Texas offense if I could. I mean,

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01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:25,200
Speaker 4: maybe not quinns like we'll see what he looks like

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01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:31,080
Speaker 4: next year, but maybe just like those receivers, you know,

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01:52:31,160 --> 01:52:33,960
Speaker 4: I like Sark, but just in terms of talent, I

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01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:36,680
Speaker 4: think all those guys can play. And Jones, you know,

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01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 4: he's got the length, he's got the size, he's got

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01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:41,760
Speaker 4: the hand placement, the power. That's one thing that I'm

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01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:44,559
Speaker 4: watching a lot of these tackles. I'm interested to talk

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01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:47,920
Speaker 4: to some of those guys on Saturday about one thing

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01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:49,519
Speaker 4: that you notice with a lot of these guys is

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01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:52,919
Speaker 4: that they're really raw at their hands, like their hand placement,

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01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:57,200
Speaker 4: their hand their punch accuracy. They expose their chest a lot,

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01:52:57,320 --> 01:52:59,880
Speaker 4: and they let guys into their frame a lot, which

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01:53:00,360 --> 01:53:03,080
Speaker 4: you could get away with that in college because you know,

2390
01:53:03,120 --> 01:53:04,880
Speaker 4: the power isn't quite the same as it is at

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01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:07,640
Speaker 4: the NFL level. But if you expose your chest to

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01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:10,280
Speaker 4: these NFL pass rushers, then you're gonna get bullied back

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01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:12,400
Speaker 4: into the quarterback like you just can't do that at

2394
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:14,920
Speaker 4: the next level. So a lot of these guys come

2395
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:17,200
Speaker 4: with wide hands, you know, more bear hugging people and

2396
01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:19,599
Speaker 4: stuff like that. Christian Jones is one of those guys

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01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:21,760
Speaker 4: that few guys that I thought was really good with

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01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:22,280
Speaker 4: his hands.

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Speaker 1: All right, So workouts the next couple of days, defensive

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01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:28,920
Speaker 1: linemen are going right now. Workouts run through Sunday. We'll

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01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:31,160
Speaker 1: also learn who the Patriots are talking to, who they're

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01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:34,680
Speaker 1: meeting with. So the Patriots, as much as I'm so

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01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:37,000
Speaker 1: big on tracking the meetings, and they met with sixty

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01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:38,880
Speaker 1: something players last year, they drafted.

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01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:40,320
Speaker 2: Two of them.

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01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:43,280
Speaker 1: So people always get at me and say, well, Patriots

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01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:45,080
Speaker 1: never draft the guys they meet with. Now I will

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01:53:45,160 --> 01:53:47,600
Speaker 1: admit it's objectively different. When you're picking third overall. But

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01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:50,800
Speaker 1: of the top six quarterbacks, Patriots are on the books

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01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:53,880
Speaker 1: of as having met with five, Michael Pennox is the

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01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:54,679
Speaker 1: one they haven't met.

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01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:55,719
Speaker 2: With, for whatever that's worth.

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Speaker 1: But again it's different when you're picking third overall. It's

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Speaker 1: a different story. They met with Anthony Richards last year.

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01:54:00,479 --> 01:54:01,559
Speaker 1: You just meet with the top quarterbacks.

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01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:02,080
Speaker 2: It's what you do.

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Speaker 1: So that all being said, workouts this week, meetings, all

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Speaker 1: that will be back to react next week is like

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01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:13,080
Speaker 1: the really crazy fire drow week. I remember last year

2420
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:17,720
Speaker 1: you came back from the combine and we had to

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01:54:17,720 --> 01:54:19,720
Speaker 1: do the free agency preview show, like it sneaks up

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01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:22,160
Speaker 1: on you. There's one week between the combine and free

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01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:25,040
Speaker 1: agency starts going boom boom boom. So very involved show

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01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:27,479
Speaker 1: next week, a lot to talk about if you've missed

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Speaker 1: any of this one, it's on YouTube wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcast. Patriots catch twenty two and we'll be back

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Speaker 1: next week because we will have a ton of talk

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01:54:34,760 --> 01:54:37,200
Speaker 1: about Matt. Thanks for staying late, Thanks for happening us out, Evan,

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Speaker 1: enjoy the rest of the combine and yeah, I'll talk

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01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:41,520
Speaker 1: to you next week.

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