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Speaker 1: Fish Bites podcast. I'm Aram Layton and we have a

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Speaker 1: unique episode for you guys today. I felt like I'd

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Speaker 1: be wasting your time discussing anything other than the potential

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Speaker 1: John Carlos Stanton trade that has set the baseball world

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Speaker 1: on fire. We at Fish Stripes identified three of the

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Speaker 1: most likely destinations that John Carlos Stanton could land, that

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Speaker 1: being San Francisco Giants, Saint Louis Cardinals, and Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: Dodgers in no particular order. It's worth noting that the

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Speaker 1: three interviews didn't occur on the same day, so some

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Speaker 1: advancements were made in terms of trade talks minor, but

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Speaker 1: some were made between interviews. Other than that incredible insight

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Speaker 1: given by the three writers, can't thank them enough. First up,

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Speaker 1: Grant Brisbee, National SBR Nation writer and also writer for

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Speaker 1: The McCovey Chronicles. Grant, thanks for being on.

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Speaker 2: You gotta thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: The Giants have emerged is one of the favorites in

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Speaker 1: the potential acquisition of John Carlos Stanton because of their

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Speaker 1: expressed interest in taking on more salary, perhaps than other teams.

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Speaker 1: What can you tell us about how much money you

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Speaker 1: think the Giants might be willing to take on And

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Speaker 1: is that notion correct that they might be willing to

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Speaker 1: take on more money than other teams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the only thing that's going to get them

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Speaker 2: in the discussion. When this started coming up last summer,

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Speaker 2: my assumption was, look, the only way the Giants are

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Speaker 2: Marlins are truly just interested in dumping you know, the

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Speaker 2: two hundred and ninety five million, and no other team

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Speaker 2: is willing to pick up all that, Like, that's the

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Speaker 2: only way because they didn't have the prospects, they don't

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers, the Cardinals or whomever they can come up

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Speaker 2: in the discussion. Since then, it's kind of like the

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Speaker 2: new owners came in and they're not so subtly saying, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we just sort of want to, you know, not have

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Speaker 2: that contract on the books after paying a billion dollars,

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Speaker 2: and other teams are a little bit wary of giving

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Speaker 2: of people see as being a market value if you

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Speaker 2: are a free agent. Right now, So the Giants are

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Speaker 2: the Giants are involved. I mean they technically don't have

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Speaker 2: the money. I mean, like they shouldn't. They have a

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Speaker 2: to be paying Brandon Crawford, Brandon belt Buster Posey, johnn Equato,

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Speaker 2: Mark Malance and Jeff Samarga. They're paying all these guys

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Speaker 2: deep into their thirties, and you're not going to get

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Speaker 2: even next year, much less twenty twenty. So it's a huge,

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Speaker 2: huge risk. But of all the players who would come up,

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Speaker 2: Stanton is the one that would make them sort of

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Speaker 2: step back and go, this is different. This is a

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Speaker 2: guy who's going to help us stay relevant. Attendance was

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Speaker 2: down last year, you know, more than the bad year.

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Speaker 2: It was just sort of a down a tendancy here

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Speaker 2: of send a message to their fans, and this is

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Speaker 2: like a generational player. This is a chance. This isn't

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Speaker 2: them getting JD. Martinez, This isn't them getting like Jason

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Speaker 2: He's a big deal. So I believe that this is

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Speaker 1: On that was actually going to be My follow up

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Speaker 1: but at the same time, you don't want your hands tied,

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Speaker 1: like you said, with all these contracts that the Giants

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Speaker 2: There are some people who are really worried about the payroll,

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Speaker 2: and I don't blame them. In two years, the Giants

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Speaker 2: There are concerns with that, But I'm coming from the

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Speaker 2: To me is like, wow, this is amazing because if

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Speaker 1: Talk about that. The offer, the reported offer at least,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's unconfirmed that the Giants put forward, and

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Speaker 1: it was Chris Shaw, Tyler Bead and Joe Panic and

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Speaker 1: I've seen with the Giants prospects, and I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: the upper minor league levels. Joe Panic obviously had a

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Speaker 1: great bounce back year. But I'd love to hear what

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Speaker 1: think it might take more against Dan.

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Speaker 2: You know that the initial report from Craig Mish was

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Speaker 2: Chris Shaw, not necessarily like that was the offer. And

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Speaker 2: then the report today, I think think from John Morosi

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Speaker 2: if that were the hypothetical offer, they would take it.

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Speaker 2: It's a very weird deal for me, just because Joe

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Speaker 2: He's not necessarily cheap for the next three years he's

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Speaker 3: I really do.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I love Joe Panic, I think Shaw's got

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Speaker 2: But I would think another team would do better than that.

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Speaker 2: That rumor really surprised me. I also think the Giants

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Speaker 2: and Marlins could do better than that with each other.

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Speaker 2: I think Panic just made such a weird fit for

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Speaker 2: You know, the Giants actually do have, in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: you know, I would think another team could could beat

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Speaker 1: In the Marlins position where you're kind of cleaning Slayton

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Speaker 1: been asking about Christian Arroyo. He got a taste of

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Speaker 1: They don't want to pay that contract. They still don't

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Speaker 2: I would think there's certainly a chance in so far

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Speaker 1: He is.

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Speaker 2: He's a fun player to watch defensively at third base.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the Giants have more of a

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Speaker 2: It definitely ties them a little bit because they don't

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Speaker 2: want to go over the competitive balance tax for a

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Speaker 2: third star year and all the penalties that come with that.

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Speaker 2: They really want to reset it, go under, try for

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Speaker 2: Yankees got a shot at Alex Rodriguez and they took it.

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Speaker 2: The Giants didn't take their shot at Vladimir Guerrero when

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Speaker 2: It's a really special opportunity for them if they're willing

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Speaker 1: And another huge obstacle in the potential trade that I've

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Speaker 2: It shouldn't be too hard. I think the Giants last

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Speaker 3: Six of them.

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Speaker 2: And then the Giants are the only team that just

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Speaker 2: it's not implausible to think that they could contend. I

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Speaker 1: So that was my big hesitation in terms of fan

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Speaker 2: I'm still low. I'm still going maybe twenty percent. I

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Speaker 2: they really really want to just ditch that contract. I'm

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Speaker 1: No I'm right there with you, to be honest. As

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Speaker 1: much as I would like to see Stanton make it

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Speaker 1: might be the favorite with what they have to offer

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Speaker 1: monetarily and in terms of prospects. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Graham Brisbye of the McCovey Chronicles does really really good

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Speaker 1: work over there, and he's been covering the Ston saga

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Speaker 1: for lack of a better words this offseason and definitely

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Speaker 2: It absolutely, Thanks so much for having me on.

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Speaker 1: So next up we have the Dodgers. Some have been

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no problem, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: So what can you tell us about the Dodgers' interest

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's some like there's definite like

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Speaker 3: But I think they're just sort of like on the

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Speaker 3: But yeah, for me, like it's kind of lukewarm interest

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Speaker 1: Well, Stanton's veto power is a really interesting point because

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the money is an issue. It's probably

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Speaker 3: like it said, this is such a weird market I have.

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Speaker 3: I don't know exactly like if that, if that Giants

434
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Speaker 3: deal is like any indication of what the market is like.

435
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 3: I don't suspect the Dodgers would have to give up

436
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 3: like one of their hot prospects just to land him.

437
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 3: And I think, but I think their best bet is

438
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 3: sort of waiting him out and truly seeing what, like

439
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 3: where he wants to go. And if it's if it's

440
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 3: clear that like he wants to sort of almost force

441
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 3: his way to La, then then then that's when you

442
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 3: sort of swoop in and take advantage of that. But

443
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 3: other than that, it's hard to really see a concrete

444
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 3: interest at this point.

445
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Speaker 1: It's funny that you brought that up, because I really

446
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: when I saw that Giants offer, or for what the

447
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 1: report's worth, I definitely thought it was beatable, and I

448
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: know both the Dodgers and the Cardinals can beat that

449
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: offer with ease. But I think it will ultimately come

450
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: up come down to whether the Marlins are really just

451
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 1: trying to shed salary, because the Giants will probably eat

452
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 1: more of the contract, if not all of it, compared

453
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Speaker 1: to the other two teams we just mentioned, or they

454
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: want to get some talent, And personally, I think for

455
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Speaker 1: the sake of the fan base and for the sake

456
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Speaker 1: of just rebuilding, I think the Marlins are in better

457
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: shape eating some of the contract and trying to get

458
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: some better talent out of the deal. What can you

459
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: tell Marlins fans about Jock Peterson. I know it's an

460
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: intriguing He's an intriguing return because we've seen him play

461
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: on the big stage. We just watched him hit you know,

462
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: home runs in the World Series. Obviously, he was not

463
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: having that great of a year. He had a pretty

464
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Speaker 1: good postseason towards the back end. Do you think he

465
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: can bounce back after the last two years being a

466
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,719
Speaker 1: little shaky and coming out of the gate so hot

467
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 1: as his rookie season.

468
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's definitely someone who could bounce back.

469
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 3: I mean, he's been such a streaky hitter, like really,

470
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 3: like all three of his seasons have almost been split

471
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Speaker 3: into parts. Like the twenty seventeen it was a little

472
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 3: more injury plagued for him. He had an injury earlier

473
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Speaker 3: in the year, and then and then at some point

474
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 3: he crashed into Yasiel Puige and then the wall and

475
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 3: got a concussion and was out for a while. He

476
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 3: was hitting very well like in the middle part of

477
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Speaker 3: the season, and then went into this horrific slump. He

478
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 3: was like two for forty one. They sent him to

479
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 3: the miners. He worked on some stuff and came back

480
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 3: and then was he made the NLCS roster when and

481
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 3: he really was a fortuitous thing for him he wasn't

482
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 3: on the Division Series roster, but Corey Seger got hurt,

483
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 3: and because they had to sort of use Chris Taylor

484
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 3: as sort of an infielder and outfielder at that point,

485
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: they needed another outfielder on the roster, so they added

486
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Speaker 3: Peterson and then he stayed on for the World Series

487
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 3: and then he just really started hitting again and he

488
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 3: had you know, three home runs and some doubles mixed in,

489
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Speaker 3: and yeah, like the power for him is there. He's

490
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 3: not gonna he's not a high average here. He's going

491
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 3: to strike out a lot. He's He's one of those

492
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 3: guys I think fans will probably think a lot, very

493
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 3: very very frustrated while watching him because he strikes out,

494
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 3: and you'll hear an announcers complain about him because of that.

495
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 3: But he'll he has a good eye. The power is

496
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 3: definitely there. The one concern I guess is his defense.

497
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 3: I don't know what you know, metrics available that. I'm

498
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: sure the teams have better metrics than are available publicly,

499
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: but his like sort of publicly available defensive ratings really

500
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 3: plummeted this year. And then I think stat cast rates

501
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 3: him is one of the slowest like center fielders, so

502
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 3: he's probably better suited for a corner spot. But yeah,

503
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 3: I think he's definitely someone who could help and you know,

504
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 3: three years of you know, relatively cheap, you know, arbitration

505
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,479
Speaker 3: fueled salaries. Like he's going to be like someone who

506
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 3: would you know, major league ready obviously and then who

507
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 3: could help like right away.

508
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. It's going to be interesting to

509
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: see which way the Marlins go in terms of the

510
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: prospects they acquire, because I don't know if they would

511
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: rather have higher ceiling guys that are further from ready

512
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: in the major leagues or guys like Jock Peterson that

513
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: can come right away and will be in your opening

514
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: day roster and you know, can contribute right off the bat.

515
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: What about Verdugo, I know he struggled in his small

516
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: sample size in the MLB last year, but he absolutely

517
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: can killed the ball in the minor leagues. What's kind

518
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: of the consensus on Verdugo as he is the second

519
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: best prospect in the Dodger system right now.

520
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's he's going to be someone who could

521
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: play all three outfield spots, has a really good arm.

522
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 3: I think the you know, the issue with him. Is

523
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: is going to be will he develop power? The good

524
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 3: thing he was still young. He was a twenty one

525
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 3: year old at Triple A all year and and still

526
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 3: you know, his hit tool is pretty good, but in

527
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: terms of the power, it really didn't show up a

528
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 3: ton until he had a few streaks with it. But

529
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 3: I think that'll be a concern. But there's like a

530
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 3: sort of a lingering like under the radar concern that

531
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 3: he's like, you know, there was some some effort question

532
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 3: and then also he or he showed up or showed

533
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 3: up late to a game when in the in September

534
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 3: with the Dodgers, and then so really didn't play much

535
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 3: after that, although they were sort of in the pen ray,

536
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 3: so that was part of why he didn't play a ton.

537
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 3: But but I think that's part of just him being young.

538
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to be a necessarily a

539
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 3: lingering concern, but uh yeah, I think he's someone who

540
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: could who could also be like, you know, at the

541
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 3: very least a fourth outfielder now and then someone you know,

542
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,719
Speaker 3: I don't know what to what extent the Marlins are

543
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 3: planning to sort of reshape their roster. I know they're

544
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 3: their outfield is one of the best in baseball with

545
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: all three guys, but you know, if they need someone

546
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: to fill in, he's definitely someone who could who could

547
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 3: do that.

548
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: And the Marlins outfield could be completely gone after this offseason,

549
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: or or they could end up holding on to Azuna

550
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: or Yelich. Obviously, Stanton seems a Stanton trade seems pretty imminent.

551
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: So from going back to that Giants offer, like you said,

552
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: it's pretty easy to top it. What would be the

553
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: Dodgers version of that offer, I guess in your eyes

554
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: in terms of what they would give up.

555
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I guess Tyler Beattie. I don't know how

556
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: far he's fallen as a prospect, but I would wonder.

557
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: I think like someone like a brock Stewart is probably

558
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: the closest, has a little bit of a major league experience,

559
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: might be a starter, might be a reliever going forward.

560
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 3: It's hard to say. I don't know if he's as

561
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 3: good as Beatie as a prospect, but he's sort of

562
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 3: the guy there, the major league ready guy like the

563
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 3: Joe Panic, if you will, would probably be Jack Peterson.

564
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 3: I know it's not a one to one thing because

565
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 3: it's you know, second basement and outfielder, and then I

566
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 3: would say probably I honestly just Alex, you know, Alex Verduo,

567
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 3: even though it would just be given up to outfielders.

568
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 3: I think something like that like Peterson, Verdugo, brock Stewart,

569
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 3: or then you could, I guess, mix and match depending

570
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 3: on how they do the like if they change it

571
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 3: up a little bit, like maybe Yati or Alvarez one

572
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 3: of their higher pitching prospects instead of brock Stewart, so

573
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 3: then you you might switch up the rest of the deal.

574
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 3: But something like that Peterson, Verdugo, Alvarez, and then I

575
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: would imagine that that would get the Marlins to eat

576
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: a pretty decent amount of the salary. But yeah, that's

577
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: sort of the deal I would imagine, And that.

578
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: Deal seems more appealing to the Marlins than the Giants deal.

579
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: I think the prospects you named to have a much

580
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: higher ceiling. But in terms of Stanton's contract from an

581
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: outsider's perspective that you know covers another organization, do you

582
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: really think that deal? I know it's backloaded, but is

583
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: it really that out of the market value in terms

584
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: of what you think players of Stanton's caliber will be

585
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: getting in the next couple of years.

586
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's It's probably the thing for me

587
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 3: is that the tenure guarantee is is pretty hard to

588
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: sort of fathom or like to you know, take on,

589
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: especially when you're giving up prospects and the main names

590
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: I mentioned. I don't know if the Dodgers are willing

591
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: to even do those guys in the trade, but I'm

592
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 3: just just trying to spitball there. But I think, you know,

593
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 3: I think sans contract, you know, the twenty nine and

594
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 3: a half million a year, that's like pretty reasonable, especially

595
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: coming off the year he had. You know, obviously MVP one,

596
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 3: he's like the best, probably the best power hitter in

597
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 3: the game going back, you know, as long as he's

598
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: been in the game. The issue with him obviously played

599
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty nine games this year, but he's

600
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: been injury prone. You know, different different maladies you know,

601
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 3: seem to sort of come up every single year. I

602
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 3: know it's some of them are flukes, like he's you know,

603
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 3: you got hit in the face when you're it's not

604
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: like you're you're prone to get hit in the face

605
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: or whatever. But but it's just it seems like that's

606
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: an issue, like and he's like, you know, still relatively young,

607
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: Like he's not pooh holes, it's not he's not already

608
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: in his thirties, so it's not going to be like

609
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 3: something where he's immediately a cripple in two years basically.

610
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: So I just think that's sort of the issue, is

611
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: that long term risk. I know Robinson canos sign a

612
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 3: ten year deal a few years ago, but like, that's

613
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: that's what's hard to stomach, I think for teams. So

614
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: that's probably what the issue is than anything. But then

615
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 3: then I think also what complicates things further is that

616
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: he has that opt out after three years, So that said,

617
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: he'd be walking away from I think, what is it

618
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 3: to eighteen over seven? Uh so that's you know, a

619
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 3: little bit over thirty one million a year. That's a

620
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 3: tough thing to walk away from. At the same time,

621
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 3: but who knows, Like if he has what if he

622
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: just does three more years like this last year, he'd

623
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 3: be a fool not to walk away from that, you know,

624
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 3: because he'd he'd really cash in. So yeah, so are

625
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: you getting are you ten years of Stanton or do

626
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 3: you think you're getting three years of Stanton? It's really

627
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 3: hard to say, so that there's so many like little

628
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: variables like that that makes this one of the more

629
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: like complicated, you know, potential deals.

630
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously it's going to be really complicated. But he

631
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: has to go somewhere. And I asked Grant Brisbee, uh,

632
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: when I was talking about the Giants with him, he

633
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: works with McCovey Chronicles, what he thought about the percent

634
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: chance of the Giants landing And he said, twenty percent.

635
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: What would you give ballpark for the Dodgers. I know

636
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: it's a tough question for the Dodgers to land John

637
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: Carlos Stanton's offseason.

638
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: Is that okay? So that's funny, Like I would say

639
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 3: around around twenty percent for the Dodgers right now, because

640
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 3: I like, honestly like the fact the fact that they

641
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: are already, like the Giants met with Stanton. I know,

642
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean a deal has been agreed to, but

643
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: the fact that they're far enough along in the process

644
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: to get to approve that meeting, like that's that's relatively rare.

645
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess that happens in some cases, but

646
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 3: that to me suggests that they're pretty far along. And

647
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: I think if they're that far along. I think the

648
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: sort of the wheels have been greased a little bit,

649
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: and I think deals more likely to happen with them. So,

650
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: like I said, I think the Dodgers' best opportunity is

651
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: sort of waiting around. And if the meeting with Stanton,

652
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 3: maybe with the Giants said then he said, look, I

653
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: don't really want to go there. Ultimately does approve a deal.

654
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 3: That's when the Dodgers sort of swoop in and you know,

655
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: let him get to the place where he really wants

656
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 3: to go. If that's the case, I don't know that's

657
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: the case. But so that's I put it twenty percent

658
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: for the Dodgers.

659
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: And in fairness to Grant, asked him that question before

660
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: that report actually came out. The report came out right

661
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: after I spoke to him, so I'm sure I'm sure

662
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: that percent chance went up a little bit. Anyway, thank

663
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on, Eric's even of true

664
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: Blue La place to go for all things. Dodgers. Can't

665
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: thank you enough.

666
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 3: Eric, Yeah, no problem. And now that I know that

667
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 3: the meeting happened after you're talking with Grant, maybe maybe

668
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 3: the Dodgers will meet with Stanton tonight. Who knows.

669
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: Oh, oh, that might be. That's the way things are

670
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: going right now.

671
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: Thanks, no problem.

672
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: So, last, and certainly not least, we have the Saint

673
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: Louis Cardinals. A lot has been said about the prospects

674
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: the Cardinals could potentially offer the Marlins, but it's also

675
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: been said that they may not be willing to give

676
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: up as much money in the Stanton contract as the

677
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: Dodgers and the Giants. To tell us more about this,

678
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: I brought on Tyler Kinsey from Viva Albertos, the Saint

679
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: Louis Cardinals espionation blog. Tyler, thanks for being.

680
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 4: On, Thanks for having me so.

681
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: Tyler actually recently interviewed me for an article on his

682
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: blog on the Saint Louis Cardinals blog, and we kind

683
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: of spitballed a trade involving Stanton. I can't completely remember

684
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: what we agreed to, but I know what led him

685
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: as Dias was part of the deal. So we're gonna

686
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: have to restructure on that end. But what can you

687
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: tell me about the Saint Louis Cardinals before we get

688
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: into trade talks? And what I've asked every single person

689
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: that's been on so far, what can you tell us

690
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: about the fan base, what do they think about a

691
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: potential standon trade.

692
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 5: Well, I think, right now, for the Cardinals fan base,

693
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 5: but also the front office, this is the top priority

694
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 5: just because right field is probably the weakest position at

695
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 5: twenty seventeen, it rejects to be the weakest position going forward.

696
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 5: So naturally these two teams line up a bit. The

697
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 5: Cardinals have this abundance of pitching depth and especially in

698
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 5: their prospects this and the Marlins need that, so I

699
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 5: could see you working out. The big thing at this point,

700
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 5: I think is going to be Stan's no trade clause

701
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 5: and does he want to come to a Midwest city.

702
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: Well, Stanton made it publicly clear that he wants to

703
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: play for a winner, but he also wants to play

704
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: on the coast, and that's where it kind of makes

705
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: it interesting between the Cardinals and the Giants, as they're

706
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: two of the favorites to land Stanton. But as I

707
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: said earlier in the podcast, the Giants are not quite

708
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: winners right now, but they are on the coast. The

709
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: Cardinals are in position to win, but they're not on

710
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: the coast. So it's going to be interesting to see

711
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: which one of those ideals Stanton compromises in terms of

712
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: you know, where he wants to land or unless he

713
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: can almost veto his way over to la If the

714
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: Dodgers is interested as people think they are, but what

715
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: can you tell us about how much money the Cardinals

716
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: might be willing to take on? And you know, the Giants'

717
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: big strength in terms of trade talks is that they

718
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 1: want to take on the most money, and the Marlins

719
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: have been said to have been more focused on unloading

720
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: the money rather than a prospect return, which the Cardinal's

721
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: strength is probably the prospects they have to offer.

722
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 5: Well, it's frustrating because this team prints cash. They and

723
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 5: a down year, they get over three million people going

724
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 5: to the games. They had a revenue I think this

725
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,959
Speaker 5: year of over three hundred million. They have the money

726
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 5: to get stand on their payroll and they wouldn't be

727
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 5: a problem. Wayne Wright's making about twenty million. He'll be

728
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 5: off the books next year, so the money isn't a concern.

729
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 5: As far as the Cardinals are nearing the luxury tax

730
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 5: or anything, they can't do it. But the real question

731
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 5: is will they be willing to And I guess one

732
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 5: option too is save the money, maybe wait for the

733
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 5: Cubs to try to make one last hurrah with their

734
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 5: core and go spend it next offseason or the off

735
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 5: season after. But I think the Cardinals they can definitely

736
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 5: match whatever the Giants are willing to offer payroll wise,

737
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 5: and at that point, the tiebreaker becomes who has more

738
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 5: prospect debts, and obviously that is Saint Louis.

739
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: If Saint Louis is really willing to give up the

740
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: money like you say they are, then it definitely seems

741
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: like Satan should be the favorite to land Stanton. Like

742
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: you said, they could wait till next year to you know,

743
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: spend that money, but you really only get one shot

744
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: at a generational talent like John Carlo Stanton, reigning MVP,

745
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: a guy that hit fifty nine home runs and has

746
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: showed that he could probably hit more. So it's interesting

747
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: to see if the Dodgers really want to go all

748
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: in at the Dodgers the Cardinals rather really want to

749
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: go all in now, or if they want to kind

750
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: of wait like you said and wait for free agency.

751
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: You know, guys like Manny Machado will be free agenty

752
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: Bryce Harper among others, and it'll be interesting to see

753
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: what they do. But Wayne Wright coming off the books

754
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: would definitely be huge. What do you think it'll take

755
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: prospect wise for the Cardinals to bring in stand.

756
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 5: Well, it is going to be that sliding scale obviously,

757
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 5: where the less money you take on, the more you're

758
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 5: gonna have to give up in terms of prospects. Since

759
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 5: I think the Giants, what was it, two forty two

760
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 5: fifty is a number those floatered about. We don't know

761
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 5: what Saint Lewis is willing to offer, and I'm guessing

762
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 5: it's probably not going to be that much, So that

763
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 5: probably puts them in a tougher situation because Reyes, I

764
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 5: don't think we'll get traded, but you look further down

765
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 5: the system back Flaherty, he was the guy we talked

766
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 5: about in our kind of mock trates. I could see him.

767
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 5: The Marlins were interested in Dakota Hudson this fast summer.

768
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 5: They had scouts going to his games, and then Sandy Alcontra,

769
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 5: that flame throwing one hundred and plus smile now at righty,

770
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 5: the Marlins have been interested in him.

771
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: The Marlins have always kind of had an affinity for

772
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: hard throwing right handers, even when they don't work out,

773
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: like Tyler Kohach, who they selected second overall four years ago.

774
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: It seems like it was two years ago because he's

775
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: only pitched about one season. If that. He's still work

776
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: on the mend from Tommy John. But the Marlins have

777
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: always kind of had this interest in hard throwing, right

778
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: handed arms, and that's why it'll be interesting to see

779
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: if they go after all contra. I know a lot

780
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: of people have been saying, Ray, it seems untouchable, and

781
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: I've been surprised to see that Luke Weaver has not

782
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: come up much in talks. I don't know if it's

783
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: because he's more of a higher floor, lower ceiling type

784
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: of guy, where you know what you're gonna get with him.

785
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 1: He just pitched almost a full season in the major leagues.

786
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: He was very solid. But I'm curious what you think

787
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: do you think Luke Weaver could be in the talks

788
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: of a potential trader. Is he kind of showed you

789
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: what he's going to be in terms of his potential.

790
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 5: I like the way you put that high floor, low ceiling.

791
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 5: That's kind of been a debate him on Cardinals chance. Hypothetically,

792
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 5: if let's say you have a stand trade in place,

793
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 5: but you have to give up one of Flarity or Weaver.

794
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 5: Which one would you give up? And there's kind of

795
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 5: this divide that Flerty has the chance to be this

796
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 5: ace or frontline starting pitcher, and not to say that

797
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 5: Weaver can't be a reliable number two, but he's not

798
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 5: going to win any ccyons probably or be that ace

799
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 5: that can lead you to a World Series.

800
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: Also in the Marlins end of things, too, it's a

801
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: similar discussion, because do you want to take the chance

802
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: on a guy like Flaherty when you really have no

803
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: help in the rotation right now, or a guy like

804
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: Weaver that can you can plug right into the rotation

805
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 1: and you know he's going to give you quality innings,

806
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: quality starts right away. When Flarerity struggled in the minor

807
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: leagues last season, curious what you think of the struggles,

808
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: what you think they stem from, If they were can

809
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: control issues or if he was he just not missing

810
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: bats or what it was. But in terms of his ceiling,

811
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: that's that's indisputable. He has ace type stuff. But what

812
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: was Flerdy's problem in the minor leagues? Because I know

813
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,959
Speaker 1: he seems to be one of the most likely guys

814
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: that would come in a potential stance and trade.

815
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 5: Well, he was actually descent in the minor leagues this year.

816
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 5: Is that twenty one innings in the major leagues and

817
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 5: again it's twenty one inningternal guy, who's what twenty two,

818
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 5: So make of it what you will. But the walk

819
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 5: rates with him, I think it is going to be key.

820
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 5: It was up to four point two to two per

821
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 5: nine innings in the major leagues this year and it's

822
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 5: been consistently lower in the minor leagues.

823
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 4: And then the strikeout rates.

824
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 5: He doesn't have the overpowering one hundred mile an hour

825
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 5: stuff like al Contre does, but I think he has

826
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 5: this interesting mix with his breaking ball where you can

827
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 5: get hitters out that way. So I think the question

828
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 5: really is going to be what type of prospects are

829
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 5: the Marlins looking for. They looking for more of those

830
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 5: home run picks or the safer bets to kind of

831
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 5: give their younger talented stability.

832
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: And normally I could go off of what the Marlins

833
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: have done in the past with trades and what kind

834
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: of guys that they target, but with Jeter kind of

835
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: overhauling from the inside out and bringing guys in like

836
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: Gary Dembo, who's one of the leaders in the overhaul

837
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: of the Yankees and did a great job over there.

838
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, as you saw in a rebuilding year how

839
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: well they did. He's definitely gonna have much more of

840
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: an impact in terms of player development and who the

841
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: Marlins may go after, even though they did still keep

842
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: Michael Hill the GM around, which actually surprised me. But

843
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: what do you think, package wise, what would it take

844
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: for the Marlins or for the Cardinals rather to get

845
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: John Carloston. What kind of package would they have to

846
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: give the Marlins. I know it's a slipper slope with

847
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: the money, and it depends, like you said, with the

848
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: sliding scale, but what do you think it would take

849
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: in terms of just kind of a median type of offer.

850
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 5: Well, what if imagined right now is what I'm thinking

851
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 5: is happening. Is I think the Cardinals and Giants both

852
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 5: have agreed to deals with Miami at this point. We're

853
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 5: waiting to see, because Stan is still holding out at

854
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 5: this point that the Dodgers are going to jump in

855
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 5: and make an offer for him that's he'll get to

856
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 5: go to the team he's always wanted to go to.

857
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 5: But assuming the Dodgers don't jump in and that this

858
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 5: does become a two horse race between the Giants and Cardinals.

859
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 5: The Cardinals have the upper hand, obviously, what are the

860
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 5: Giants talking about? What did Grant say? Beatty probably and Arroyo.

861
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: So Arroyo is not even being discussed, which surprised me

862
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: because the Marlins could really use an infielder. Grant Brisbee

863
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: earlier on the show told me that he was thinking

864
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: it's going to be more along the lines of Chris Shaw,

865
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: Beatty and maybe Joe Panic was discussed, but that's also

866
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: been said that he might not be a part of

867
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: the deal, and it could be someone like like Ramos,

868
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: who is a young seventeen, as Grant put it, but

869
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: his ceiling is sky high. So it's really interesting in

870
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: that side of things because they really can't put together

871
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: a great package. Shaw is you know, you know what

872
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna get with Shaw, power hitter, high volume strikeouts.

873
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: His ceiling is not that high. Beaty struggled in the

874
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: minor leagues. He's projecting to a back of the rotation

875
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: type guy, and you know, you get Joe Panic, you

876
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: know what you're getting with him as well. The Ramos

877
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: would be you know, the high ceiling type, home run

878
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: type of guy that you can try and take a

879
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: chance on. But it seems like the Giants package is

880
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: more centered around the money they're willing to take on.

881
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and I think that's one of those things where

882
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 5: if money is Miami's top concern, and that was one

883
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 5: thing I was joking on Twitter yesterday, that's obviously you

884
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 5: were upset about. I can't remember who said at the

885
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 5: fish Stripes account that they were upset that the Marlins

886
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 5: are making the money the top priority and not the prospects.

887
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that kind of infuriated me because I

888
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: understand that you when you buy a team, you have

889
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: to start over, you have to make money, and you

890
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: have to cut payroll. But when you're trading away your

891
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: best player, you know, a generational talent, and you have

892
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: nothing to come back with, the show fans like, hey,

893
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: this is what we got and this is what we're

894
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,959
Speaker 1: going to bring back to you, and there's a reason

895
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: to be excited for the future. I don't think you

896
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: can sell fans on hey, we cut some money. You

897
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: know we're gonna we increase our profit margins and our

898
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: payroll is going to be lower this year. And we'll

899
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: probably be in the the bottom five in the MLB

900
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: in terms of payroll. I don't think that's something that's

901
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: going to get fans very excited, and especially fans that

902
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: have endured so many terrible years of fire sales and

903
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: trading their best players and of course the tragic gloss

904
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: of Jose Fernandez. It just doesn't seem like a very

905
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 1: exciting thing for fans to rally around with a new ownership,

906
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: especially one that's led by a figure like Derek Jeter,

907
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: who has definitely not gotten off on the right foot exactly.

908
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 5: And I think the Cardinals, when you look at their

909
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 5: payroll situation, like I said, they're fine money wise taking

910
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 5: on stands contract or the majority of the question is

911
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 5: will they and is ownership polling to do that? And

912
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 5: I think a Boyles onto any contract or sorry not

913
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 5: any contract, any offer that the Giants proposed, at the

914
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 5: very least, the Cardinals can match it, if not surpassed

915
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 5: it anyway. So the only way this shouldn't happen from

916
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 5: a Cardinals fan perspective is that Stan absolutely refuses to

917
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 5: come play in Saint Louis. And at this point, you

918
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 5: can't get two men at the front office because they

919
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:22,479
Speaker 5: can try to be as.

920
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 4: Persuasive as possible, but there's only so much of that

921
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 4: they could control.

922
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: That's the thing. And you know, you like fans have

923
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: accepted at the fact that I think Stanton's going to

924
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: be gone, but at the same time, like I said,

925
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: you really need to get that return back. What are

926
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: Cardinals fan saying? Are Cardinals fans really hoping to land

927
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: Stanton or is the money something that the fans are

928
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: kind of skeptical about.

929
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 5: This is a team that blocked at Max Scherzer, who

930
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 5: a ton of us were calling for the team to

931
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 5: sign hometown guy. He openly said, hey, I take a

932
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 5: discount to come back home. You went to high school here.

933
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 5: Didn't sign him then. I think it was the following

934
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 5: offseason they finished in second place on and Hayward.

935
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 4: So there are a lot of fans.

936
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 5: Who are very frustrated with this front office as far

937
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 5: as their inability to land that star long term. Ever

938
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 5: since the trade for Matt Holliday and signing him. So,

939
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 5: if the Cardinals don't get Stanton, and I'm not sure

940
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 5: who the favorite is at this point, I think it's

941
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 5: the Giants just because Stan Holds some of the cards

942
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 5: in his hand with the no trade clause. But people

943
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 5: are going to be infuriated here if they don't get

944
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 5: stan He's been the top priority for a while here,

945
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 5: and it's just tough to say how people are going

946
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 5: to react if they don't get him.

947
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 4: It's not going to be pretty, I'll say that much.

948
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: If the Cardinals do land Stanton, do you think they're

949
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: instantly World Series contenders or where do you think that

950
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: places them in terms of contention?

951
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 5: The tough part is is that the Cubs right now,

952
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 5: I mean, who's their fifth starter, Eddie Butler or Luke

953
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 5: Faeryrell or something. The Cubs are going to get at

954
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 5: least one starter this offseason. So the problem there is, yes,

955
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 5: you gain a ton of ground on the Cubs by

956
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 5: getting Stanton, but not only do you have to match

957
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 5: whatever up grades the Cubs make, but then you have

958
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 5: to surpass that if you want to talk about potentially

959
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 5: winning the Division against them.

960
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: That's gonna be the interesting thing. And I guess a

961
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: lot of it is kind of leans on the Cardinal's

962
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: potential rotation because one of these young guys that we've

963
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: named that doesn't end up coming to Miami in a

964
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: potential trade is gonna have to step up and at

965
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: some point probably pitch some dings for the Cardinals and

966
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: the Majors if I'm not wrong, and it's probably gonna

967
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 1: be Rayes.

968
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 2: Right.

969
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 5: The thing with Rays since he's coming off Tommy John surgery,

970
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 5: the plan so far with him is they're gonna try

971
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 5: to ease him back in.

972
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 4: He'll be on some sort of Indians limit.

973
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 5: We don't have a set number at this point, but

974
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 5: in all likelihood when he does come back, which they

975
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 5: haven't ruled out opening Day yet, he was on a

976
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 5: pretty good throwing schedule towards the end of the season,

977
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 5: the last we'd heard of him. But I think when

978
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 5: he does come back at some points in twenty eighteen,

979
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 5: it's going to be out of the bullpen at first,

980
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 5: and maybe later in the season they ease him into

981
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 5: the rotation, but they're going to have to try to

982
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 5: get those innings somewhere else.

983
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see how the Cardinals get those innings.

984
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: And so this is the last question I've wrapped up

985
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 1: with everyone so far. What would you put the percent

986
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: chance of the Cardinals landing John Carlos stan I.

987
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 5: Mean, the eternal optimist to me says, yes, they have

988
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 5: the prospects, they have the money ability to take them on.

989
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 5: But at this point, here's what I think will happen.

990
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 5: I think the Dodgers won't go in at stand because

991
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 5: they're worried about the luxury tax and I don't think

992
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 5: it's just a good fit for them.

993
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 4: So eventually, at some point soon, I think Stan will

994
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 4: kind of let.

995
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 5: That ship sail at which points the Red Sox just

996
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 5: said earlier today, and we're recording this on Sunday out know,

997
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 5: and this will go up. That's they're officially out on Stan.

998
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 5: So it's essentially the Cardinals at Giants now, and the

999
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 5: question becomes, I think, where does Stan want to play

1000
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 5: more unless Miami. If Miami is convinced that Saint Louis

1001
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 5: has the better offer, then maybe they try to leverage

1002
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 5: Stan into forcing them to Saint Lois, saying hey, it's

1003
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 5: Saint Louis, or you get stuck on this rebuild all

1004
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 5: alone when we trade a Zuna and and everyone else

1005
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 5: f's I just think that, as much as I hate

1006
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 5: to say it, I think Stan is going to find

1007
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 5: a way to get himself out to the West coast

1008
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 5: whatever way possible, and that would be San Francisco. So

1009
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 5: as far as a percentage, probably one in three maybe, so.

1010
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: Thirty three percent we have. That's the highest percent chance

1011
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: that I've been given so far. Believe it or not.

1012
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: It seems like every team is a little skeptical that

1013
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: they think that they're going to land him. You know,

1014
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: Grant gave me twenty percent, and that seemed to be

1015
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: the trend so far too until you gave me thirty

1016
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: three percent. Eric Stevens of Troupula also gave me twenty percent.

1017
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: Thank you so much Tyler Kinsey for coming on Absolute

1018
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: Baseball Guru. If you check out his work at Viva Alberto's,

1019
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: he did an awesome piece in a mock trade discussion

1020
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: with me and puts together these amazing charts that I

1021
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: can't even understand, but you guys probably can and they

1022
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: are really really good project into what you can see

1023
00:50:01,560 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: for this following years. Definitely check out what he's got

1024
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: going on over there. And now I'll wrap it up

1025
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: for this week's podcast. I hope you guys liked it.

1026
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: I know it was a little different than the usual episode,

1027
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: and I'll probably see you guys when Stanton's Traded. Thanks

1028
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: so much for listening.