Speaker 1: A lot of things have changed in the woods since
Speaker 1: I visited last year. The entrenchment Creek Park trailhead at
Speaker 1: Wallani People's Park is now basically a massive mud pit,
Speaker 1: the trees cut down and all the grass gone. Sidewalks
Speaker 1: and bike paths have all been turned into rubble. As
Speaker 1: we talked about in the last episode, the police have
Speaker 1: been increasingly destructive during their more and more frequent raids
Speaker 1: on the forest. In the past year, the cops have
Speaker 1: demolished dozens of treehouses and targeted protesters with escalatory tactics.
Speaker 1: The last thirteen people who have been arrested near the
Speaker 1: forest have all been charged with domestic terrorism for their
Speaker 1: mere association with the stop Coop City movement. As hard
Speaker 1: as the cops are making it to continue being in
Speaker 1: the woods, there is still something undeniably special about being
Speaker 1: in community in the forest, or else people wouldn't be
Speaker 1: risking life and legal consequences.
Speaker 2: Living in the woods for me was like a dream.
Speaker 2: I came to the woods because I was homeless and
Speaker 2: unemployed and was actually living in different woods by myself,
Speaker 2: and to actually came to the woods for similar reasons.
Speaker 2: Tort lost their housing in Tallahassee and decided to give
Speaker 2: this place a try as a place to live.
Speaker 3: In the forest, there was always over time just developed
Speaker 3: like you know, people built coffee shops and like a
Speaker 3: kitchen people used and places for people to just like
Speaker 3: I know, and that continued build time. I never stopped,
Speaker 3: will never stop better and they never stopped making life
Speaker 3: out better as as comfortable, as comfortable and as welcoming
Speaker 3: and as a community best as possible. And that's really
Speaker 3: the best thing I feel like I could I could
Speaker 3: speak to one.
Speaker 4: It is that no matter what was going on, and.
Speaker 3: People were always working to make the forest as as
Speaker 3: welcoming out a spaceh to as many people as possible
Speaker 3: as they could.
Speaker 1: The night of the December thirteenth police raid, Tortuguito went
Speaker 1: back to the camp in Willani People's Park to start
Speaker 1: rebuilding after police tore down the encampments and protest infrastructure
Speaker 1: just hours prior.
Speaker 2: I've never experienced such emotional and material security as I
Speaker 2: have living in the Willauni Forest because there are a
Speaker 2: community of people that are dedicated to taking care of
Speaker 2: each other and making sure that we all have our
Speaker 2: needs met. And that was something that tort and I
Speaker 2: did for each other, often making sure that we had
Speaker 2: enough water and food and rides to places. It's really
Speaker 2: a wonderful place to live, and I've also deep in
Speaker 2: my relationship to the earth being there, Like living with
Speaker 2: the same trees for over a year is a really
Speaker 2: profound experience. And also it's a really stressful place and
Speaker 2: people are always butting heads in really interesting ways, but
Speaker 2: we're committed to remaining in relationship with each other. As
Speaker 2: part of the magic, too, is that if you get
Speaker 2: into a fight with someone at camp, you don't just
Speaker 2: you know, like move to a different apartment and stop
Speaker 2: talking to them, like they're still around and there's still
Speaker 2: a comrade. So we're committed to each other in a
Speaker 2: way that's it's rare to find in this society.
Speaker 1: Here is Cricket talking about the type of support everyone
Speaker 1: has for each other in the movement and how Torte
Speaker 1: really embodied that.
Speaker 5: I think one of the things I've seen in my
Speaker 5: experience with the movement is just the tremendous amount of
Speaker 5: care that everyone has for one another. You don't have
Speaker 5: to know one another, we don't have to be on
Speaker 5: a legal name basis, and we still fight for one another.
Speaker 5: We still protect one another, we still try to save
Speaker 5: one another, and that is something I saw tort embody regularly,
Speaker 5: and I'm grateful to everyone who has helped keep me safe.
Speaker 5: And I always, yeah, I'm always trying to keep everyone
Speaker 5: else safe in any capacity that I can. So we've
Speaker 5: done a lot of safety trainings. Something that Tort was
Speaker 5: a really big part of was medic medic trainings, making
Speaker 5: sure that people have access to life saving techniques and
Speaker 5: skills that are often kept away from really vulnerable folks.
Speaker 5: So that is something we've been trying to contribute and
Speaker 5: that we're trying to continue now that tort is no
Speaker 5: longer with us. We were supposed to meet yesterday to
Speaker 5: put together a curriculum of marginalized, vulnerable people who face
Speaker 5: gun violence both from the state and from right wing
Speaker 5: neo Nazi fascists, you name it, and will be continuing
Speaker 5: that work in their name.
Speaker 1: When spending time in the Wilani Forest and even for
Speaker 1: the many peripheral aspects of the movement, people will choose
Speaker 1: a forest name. It's like a nickname that helps your
Speaker 1: legal identity and nom de plume. Many chose Tortigita, which
Speaker 1: is Spanish for little turtle. But it wasn't just chosen
Speaker 1: for its cute animal association. I'll read from bitter Southerner quote.
Speaker 1: It was a nod to the colonial era indigenous military
Speaker 1: commander of the same name, who led Native American forces
Speaker 1: to one of their most decisive victories against the then
Speaker 1: nascent US army in seventeen ninety one. Now, Tort was
Speaker 1: allegedly apprehensive to share the meaning behind their chosen name
Speaker 1: with a journalist who was interviewing them, because quote, that
Speaker 1: does not make us look like peaceful protesters. We are
Speaker 1: very peaceful people, I promise unquote. There is a few
Speaker 1: other quotes attributed to Tort across various articles that seem
Speaker 1: to espouse a belief in nonviolence as a tactical strategy. Quote,
Speaker 1: it's incredibly important to continue having popular support. Copcity is
Speaker 1: incredibly unpopular already. We're very popular. We're cool. We get
Speaker 1: a lot of support from people who live here, and
Speaker 1: that's important because we win through non violence. We're not
Speaker 1: going to beat them at violence, but we can beat
Speaker 1: them in public opinion in the courts. Even unquote. Based
Speaker 1: on frequent phone calls with Tort about forced defense Tortighita's
Speaker 1: own mother has shared similar sentiments about Towrt's politics, saying
Speaker 1: they quote carry no malice quote. I'm gonna read one
Speaker 1: more quote from Torti Ghita about this topic. The right
Speaker 1: kind of resistance is peaceful, because that's where we win.
Speaker 1: We're not going to beat them at violence. They're very,
Speaker 1: very good at violence. We're not. We win through nonviolence.
Speaker 1: That's really the only way we can win. We don't
Speaker 1: want more people to die. We don't want Atlanta to
Speaker 1: turn into a war zone. During my time in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: I wanted to learn as much as possible about Torta Gita,
Speaker 1: about who they were as a person, what kind of
Speaker 1: stuff they enjoyed doing, what they were to the movement,
Speaker 1: but mostly just listen to people's stories and memories of Torte.
Speaker 1: Peter met Torte just shortly after they moved to Atlanta.
Speaker 2: So I met tort in May of twenty two, around
Speaker 2: the time when they first got to the forest from Tallahassee.
Speaker 2: I met them during that week of action, and they
Speaker 2: were like insanely enthusiastic about being there. We met around
Speaker 2: a fire and talked about how our enthusiasm for life
Speaker 2: sometimes offended people. That was something that we had in common.
Speaker 2: They talked about their mom a lot. I won't say
Speaker 2: I was a close friend of Tort's, but I was
Speaker 2: a dear comrade to them, and being in relationship with
Speaker 2: them really sharpened my conflict skills. I was in a
Speaker 2: few different conflict with Tort and also on the sidelines
Speaker 2: for some conflicts that they had with other people, and
Speaker 2: I learned a lot about how to be more gentle
Speaker 2: with my comrades and how to give people more grace
Speaker 2: in times of high stress.
Speaker 1: This is a snippet from my conversation with Cricket on
Speaker 1: what TORTI Ghita brought to the movement and how they
Speaker 1: really lived their politics.
Speaker 5: Tort was hilarious. They were someone who always brought fun
Speaker 5: to whatever they were doing. And I'm sure through the
Speaker 5: folks that you're seeing, the folks that people can see
Speaker 5: on social media with like the outpour and of support
Speaker 5: for Tort, that they were involved in so many different groups,
Speaker 5: like so many different causes, and they were an incredibly
Speaker 5: dedicated activists, but someone who really felt that resistance could
Speaker 5: be fun, could be joyful, could be celebratory. Uh, it
Speaker 5: was always an opportunity to meet new people, to hug
Speaker 5: new people. They were a big hugger. They were someone
Speaker 5: who was always checking in on other people. They were
Speaker 5: someone who was always there to lend a hand, either
Speaker 5: literally or or or metaphorically. And they really inspired I
Speaker 5: think a lot of people, And I think that that
Speaker 5: was something huge that they contributed to the movement, not
Speaker 5: just as a person, but also bringing that joyfulness, bringing
Speaker 5: that that energy, that passion and excitement. Uh really inspired
Speaker 5: me and inspired a lot of people.
Speaker 1: It's funny, a lot of the people I've talked to
Speaker 1: were like have have like mentioned just because of the
Speaker 1: different like you know, affinity groups that they've been in
Speaker 1: and stuff. There's like a lot of people I've talked
Speaker 1: to you have talked have mentioned a lot like that
Speaker 1: they would not like regularly, but like everyone you know,
Speaker 1: like get into conflicts with toar it like there was
Speaker 1: there was someone who you would you would sometimes who
Speaker 1: there would be just happened to be disagreements with. But
Speaker 1: despite disagreements, they were like one of the kindest people
Speaker 1: that they met. Even when they're you know, arguing about something.
Speaker 1: It's like they would go so far to make sure
Speaker 1: that other people knew that they were like cared for
Speaker 1: and would would got just be very open towards like
Speaker 1: everybody they meet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they really tried to live into and
Speaker 5: walk the walk of abolition and noncarceral conflict of it's
Speaker 5: okay to disagree, and disagreement doesn't mean that you got
Speaker 5: to get kicked out. It does not mean that you're
Speaker 5: a bad person. They allowed for complexity and allowed for
Speaker 5: processes of working through things, of talking through things, and
Speaker 5: that's a huge gift. I mean, I think anyone, regardless
Speaker 5: of their level of activism, can relate to the idea
Speaker 5: that it's hard to disagree, it's hard to be in
Speaker 5: conflicts sometimes. But I do think that they were really
Speaker 5: committed to building relationships of trust where you could disagree,
Speaker 5: where you could have different opinions, but that there was
Speaker 5: still so much love and still so much care, and
Speaker 5: that those things were not themselves in conflict. Those things
Speaker 5: were actually very very much related. And yeah, no, it
Speaker 5: was They're special and yeah, I'm just I'm just sorry,
Speaker 5: I'm just heartbroken.
Speaker 1: Tortighita's partner and a close friend of theirs, recorded a
Speaker 1: video shortly after the shooting, just talking about who Torteghita
Speaker 1: was and how they lived in community. I got permission
Speaker 1: from their partner to use clips from that video in
Speaker 1: this episode. Tour was always a.
Speaker 6: Very welcoming presence. They're always one of the greatest organizers
Speaker 6: we had out there. They took care of everyone who
Speaker 6: came through. They always want to make sure everyone was
Speaker 6: taken care of. They were the ones who would welcome
Speaker 6: you into the forest and they would make sure you
Speaker 6: have a sleeping bag, a sleeping pad, attent, whatever you
Speaker 6: could possibly need. Always making sure people are getting fed,
Speaker 6: and just kind of like transparent you've ever had.
Speaker 1: One of the people I spent with. Noah also talked
Speaker 1: about how Tortigito was quick to welcome people into the
Speaker 1: movement a new.
Speaker 3: Tour through various actions, center in the forest and doing
Speaker 3: medical work with them.
Speaker 4: I think I think a lot of people have ever
Speaker 4: good this, but I remember them as being one of.
Speaker 3: The kindest and most welcoming people that I ever met
Speaker 3: working on the forest.
Speaker 4: Kind of whenever new people comment, was very like.
Speaker 3: Very often kind of like one of the first people
Speaker 3: to greet them and was always very like open to
Speaker 3: letting people come and see and be a part of
Speaker 3: the community that had been established out in the woods.
Speaker 4: It was a very it was an extremely welcome in person.
Speaker 4: They were a very welcome in person.
Speaker 3: I was always willing to put there to help somebody
Speaker 3: out and to do the work it took to make
Speaker 3: sure that the community was safe out there and that
Speaker 3: it could continue.
Speaker 1: So much of the stuff around the forest, it's all
Speaker 1: about like the militants in the woods, and toward kind
Speaker 1: of fell into that category, you know, people who are
Speaker 1: wearing black lavas camping out in the forest. Most of
Speaker 1: the people I've interviewed are also more on that side
Speaker 1: of things, but not everyone feels like they have the
Speaker 1: ability to put on a ski mask and live in
Speaker 1: the woods. One of the people I spoke with was
Speaker 1: a mother named Karen, who started doing local neighborhood organizing
Speaker 1: after connecting with Torti Ghita last summer.
Speaker 7: So I met tort Less summer and there was like
Speaker 7: lots of things happening in the park, and you know,
Speaker 7: I'm a neighbor, and so I was the who really
Speaker 7: fought for you know, tried to get the city council
Speaker 7: to vote against it. And so I was interested, you know,
Speaker 7: curious and interested about all of these events happening at
Speaker 7: the park. They were all like mostly at night time,
Speaker 7: and I have a toddler, and so I'm like boring
Speaker 7: and have a strict bedtime, so I don't, you know,
Speaker 7: go out at night time. So I was like trying
Speaker 7: to find a place for me and like people like me,
Speaker 7: and oh they're boring, you know, parents. And so I
Speaker 7: got connected with Tort and we start We started, I
Speaker 7: guess going during the daytime and I'm taking my toddler
Speaker 7: over there to the park to explore, and you know,
Speaker 7: we Tort and I talked a lot about well, at first,
Speaker 7: they were really excited about all the the idea, like
Speaker 7: children being at the park. They really wanted it the
Speaker 7: park to be for everyone. I'm very much like a
Speaker 7: neighborhood mom. I was new to activism and I.
Speaker 4: Didn't even know.
Speaker 7: I was like, you know, I thought we were just
Speaker 7: like visiting a park, but you know, there's like a
Speaker 7: whole lot of different things about being in it that
Speaker 7: Tort really kind of helped me navigate and showed me around.
Speaker 1: In my experience, it takes a special kind of person
Speaker 1: to on board somebody new to this sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Some anarchists can come off as a bit pompous sometimes
Speaker 1: or at least hesitant to welcome new people in. Karen
Speaker 1: spoke on how Tortighita kind of showed them the rope
Speaker 1: and helped educate on everything from local organizing to security culture.
Speaker 7: Well, I didn't have signal before. I was like, okay,
Speaker 7: I want to reach out to try and make my
Speaker 7: neighborhood aware. I made flyers and just like put like
Speaker 7: the environmental effects, you know, and I send it to
Speaker 7: tort and they were like, okay, yeah, this looks good.
Speaker 7: And then I was like, should it just be like
Speaker 7: anonymous or should I you know, like make like Instagram
Speaker 7: or should I put my name on it and you
Speaker 7: know all those things? Should I put my number on it?
Speaker 7: And they were like, okay, well, get a Google Voice
Speaker 7: number and you can set up like an email for it,
Speaker 7: maybe use Proton. Then I was like, should I just
Speaker 7: like I don't have to put any information on it,
Speaker 7: but like, what if you know there's people like me
Speaker 7: in the neighborhood. I guess, like, how do you balance that?
Speaker 7: And they said no, I think if you got to
Speaker 7: like organize a neighborhood group, it would be sick. So yeah,
Speaker 7: you know, they were conscious of all those things, but
Speaker 7: also knew where, when and where it was like appropriate,
Speaker 7: and we just like bounced ideas back and forth. They
Speaker 7: really helped me like navigate that. I really think it
Speaker 7: just shows how inclusive they were that they like how
Speaker 7: they were engaged with me and like you know, an
Speaker 7: older neighborhood mom. But they were really supportive and you know,
Speaker 7: I guess made me feel valued, never made me feel
Speaker 7: embarrassed at anything. I think it was just like if
Speaker 7: it wasn't about like the party or I don't know,
Speaker 7: like being cool or anything. They just really wanted the
Speaker 7: forest to be for everyone, and just how they were
Speaker 7: like willing to engage with the community.
Speaker 1: My conversations with Karen and others in Atlanta really showed
Speaker 1: Tort as a person who was always thinking about others
Speaker 1: and how to support the people around them, not even
Speaker 1: just focusing on themselves while living in the forest, but
Speaker 1: working to expand that care outwards.
Speaker 7: So, yeah, I made this flyer and Tort called a
Speaker 7: bunch of other I know if they were people that
Speaker 7: were in the forest or just people and you know,
Speaker 7: friends or whatever, but and was like, hey, we're all
Speaker 7: going to go canvas and I think they slept in
Speaker 7: that day we met at the park, but me and
Speaker 7: a couple of neighbors met, like you know, and I
Speaker 7: was like, I had zero expectations. And they texted me
Speaker 7: later and was like, I'm so sorry, but we'll do
Speaker 7: it again. But yeah, just that, you know, like they
Speaker 7: were willing to come put flyers door to door and yeah,
Speaker 7: just like support me in that way.
Speaker 1: Karen has continued to do neighborhood organizing since meeting Tort
Speaker 1: last summer and is a great example of the variety
Speaker 1: of people involved in the Defend the Atlanta Forest movement.
Speaker 1: Based on the many local people she's spoken with, Karen
Speaker 1: says the stop Coppacity proposal is pretty unpopular in the area.
Speaker 7: So yeah, we've just been like dropping flyers off and
Speaker 7: just letting them know the environmental effects. And everyone we've
Speaker 7: talked to like, you know, no one wants it, and
Speaker 7: I think lots of people, lots of them called in,
Speaker 7: you know, to city council. But yeah, I guess Tort
Speaker 7: and I in our kind of idea was like if
Speaker 7: we can make a space. It's like, you know, they
Speaker 7: may not want to go to the forest, but if
Speaker 7: we can kind of create a space for them in
Speaker 7: the movement.
Speaker 1: Cricket talked about the many projects that Tort had a
Speaker 1: hand in and it's willingness to just go out there
Speaker 1: and do things, not just sit around and wait for
Speaker 1: the world to get better. They lived anarchism in a
Speaker 1: very active way.
Speaker 5: I don't know if anyone mentioned the trans Sanctuary that
Speaker 5: Tort built and helped built and helped organize. I just
Speaker 5: wanted to uplift that as just another sort of amazing
Speaker 5: project that they were involved with. I remember hearing about it.
Speaker 5: Tort talked about it and they were like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, we're going to have a volunteer day. And
Speaker 5: then two weeks later we had like another little check
Speaker 5: in and they were like, oh yeah, no, we like
Speaker 5: did it. And I was like, excuse me, Like I
Speaker 5: just just I don't know, they were just like this
Speaker 5: this Tasmanian devil of social justice. Like I felt like
Speaker 5: they were just constantly on the move getting stuff done,
Speaker 5: supporting people. It's just it was I don't know, like
Speaker 5: that's just another memory that I keep revisiting of just
Speaker 5: being like, oh my god, they are not paralyzed like
Speaker 5: they are living. They were living day to day right,
Speaker 5: like they knew that tomorrow could bring another raid. Like
Speaker 5: they Yeah, they weren't stupid, they were really actually brilliant
Speaker 5: and they could just they just lived every day so
Speaker 5: fully and brought everything.
Speaker 1: They had a friend of Tortighita's that goes by the
Speaker 1: name Levitate the Pentagon, which is definitely in the top
Speaker 1: three force names that I've heard. But they gave a
Speaker 1: statement to Rolling Stone where they said, quote Tortighita was
Speaker 1: a proud and fierce anarchist. The struggle for a total
Speaker 1: liberation came as their first commitment in life. We must
Speaker 1: honor that commitment.
Speaker 4: From a lot of the like none other trends that
Speaker 4: we did together times out there, they were just really fun,
Speaker 4: very to make.
Speaker 3: People have be like a very common presence during stressful times,
Speaker 3: and they could make like a jerk really out of
Speaker 3: like a any situation.
Speaker 4: But a lot of I remember like a lot of.
Speaker 3: Conversations just about what we were doing in the forest,
Speaker 3: and there are like reasons for being out there, and
Speaker 3: they're you know, just kind of outgoing these ideas of
Speaker 3: combating the you know, the state, and then then the
Speaker 3: states pushed.
Speaker 4: For you know, destroying the forest.
Speaker 3: For the effects that would have on the climate, for
Speaker 3: the increasing ability of the place to militarize and to
Speaker 3: suppress not just people in Atlanta, but law enforcement agencies
Speaker 3: across the country.
Speaker 4: Coming to train at the facility to better climp down
Speaker 4: on a presence. Yeah, they were just they're really kind,
Speaker 4: very tenacious. That's like the two things I can always
Speaker 4: kind of come back to.
Speaker 1: So there was a person towards capacity for wit under
Speaker 1: high stress situations is something I heard from a lot
Speaker 1: of different people, including towards friends and their partner.
Speaker 8: Just really really like always like had a joke, had
Speaker 8: like a really like good sharp commentary.
Speaker 9: Or would like give you like a cigarette professional ship poster. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 9: I mean their mean game on point.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and.
Speaker 8: Just always like doing a lot of things.
Speaker 9: And so they were running around a lot, like getting
Speaker 9: things for people and then hanging it off to them,
Speaker 9: and so like, yeah, I think a lot of the
Speaker 9: times when we would run into like for like oftentimes
Speaker 9: we run into each other, it'd be like, oh, hey, hi, Hi, Okay,
Speaker 9: we're doing a thing, and then like okay, I gotta
Speaker 9: go buy you know, and there's always like.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1: Sure, they were super into that.
Speaker 4: Oh that smile.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 5: They love fruit snacks, loved them, couldn't get enough of them.
Speaker 5: And they always helped do the dishes. Can I just say,
Speaker 5: like that's a big deal. Yeah, Like no one likes
Speaker 5: doing the dishes. It's like they were always there doing
Speaker 5: the dishes. They were like, oh my god, running water,
Speaker 5: hot water, like I'm in like like they're like, oh
Speaker 5: my god, and just like yeah, that's that's what I
Speaker 5: want people to know. Fruit snacks and dishes.
Speaker 1: Fruit snacks have come up a lot throughout my conversations
Speaker 1: with people. Tortiquita's partner and friend also talked about how
Speaker 1: tort tried to balance helping other people with their own
Speaker 1: self care.
Speaker 6: They were always so passionate to it because they want
Speaker 6: to help people so bad that they would put their
Speaker 6: all into it. And it took a toll all on
Speaker 6: them in a lot of ways, but they always were
Speaker 6: so fucking strong and took on so much more than
Speaker 6: I ever could. They they're an inspiration to us all.
Speaker 8: They also needed to like disappear for like hours or
Speaker 8: days at a time, and just.
Speaker 1: Like rechart, they read a lot.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I am one of the like one of
Speaker 6: the things to be sitting in their hammock and our
Speaker 6: tent near with their tent and just be reading doing
Speaker 6: whatever it was they were doing, shit and posts and whatever.
Speaker 6: They get to distress. They were good about taking care
Speaker 6: of themselves, but they didn't get into some conundrums or
Speaker 6: they'd get stressed out and then you just see them
Speaker 6: like go off on their own and then come back
Speaker 6: in a few days and then they're all good again,
Speaker 6: have happy, go lucky.
Speaker 7: I've heard them described as kind, and they definitely were.
Speaker 7: I think the word that comes to mind the most
Speaker 7: is earnest. They were just like incredibly earnest. I think
Speaker 7: like the earnestness I'm talking about is like they truly
Speaker 7: live their politics like anyone can talk about like include
Speaker 7: civity and love and fighting for the future, but they actually,
Speaker 7: you know, just in how they carried themselves and interacted
Speaker 7: with me.
Speaker 4: They really did that.
Speaker 7: And lots of people might be like cynical about it
Speaker 7: or maybe call them like optimistic or naive, but they
Speaker 7: actually lived. I feel like love sounds corny, but yeah,
Speaker 7: just like a love for people and nature in the forest.
Speaker 8: What was that piece we were talking about? Revolutionary death? Yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 8: they read that this last summer, and it really had
Speaker 8: a strong impact upon them and they I think you
Speaker 8: were sharing as.
Speaker 4: Well that they had spoken about.
Speaker 8: How they knew it was very possible that they were
Speaker 8: going to have this revolutionary death, and that.
Speaker 6: Back to them kind of giving their all. They were
Speaker 6: prepared and they unfortunately paid the ultimate price. That's said
Speaker 6: as we all are.
Speaker 4: I'm sure.
Speaker 6: George Keito, wherever they are now, I was happy to
Speaker 6: know that they gave they're all all until the end.
Speaker 6: They were always they were a true revolutionary and gave
Speaker 6: their all to this movement. And I think now it's
Speaker 6: our job to take up that banner and carry on
Speaker 6: his name, their name.
Speaker 1: In multiple ways, escalatory actions of police last December led
Speaker 1: to the current fatal scenario, not just with the domestic
Speaker 1: terror framing as a pretext for using increased force, but
Speaker 1: also the physical destruction of treehouses resulting in people being
Speaker 1: out in more vulnerable positions.
Speaker 2: They were very calculated in their risks and they would
Speaker 2: never have had to be put in this situation if
Speaker 2: they're home in the trees hadn't been destroyed. They lived
Speaker 2: in a tree house, and the treehouse that they were
Speaker 2: really holding down and staying in was bulldozed in the
Speaker 2: mid December raids.
Speaker 1: On November twenty first, two thousand and six, undercover Atlanta
Speaker 1: Police Department officers executed a no knock warrant on the
Speaker 1: home of ninety two year old Catherine Johnston in the
Speaker 1: Bankhead neighborhood of Atlanta. Police claimed to have evidence that
Speaker 1: crack cocaine was being sold out of the house. Officers
Speaker 1: in plane clothes cut off the burglar bars to Johnston's
Speaker 1: home of seventeen years and broke down her door. According
Speaker 1: to the police, the ninety two year old woman shot
Speaker 1: several officers. Multiple cops were treated for a gunshot wounds.
Speaker 1: Catherine Johnston was shot and killed by the police in
Speaker 1: her own home, where police then claimed to have found
Speaker 1: marijuana thanks to an informant who said that they bought
Speaker 1: drugs at the house, except every single thing the police
Speaker 1: claimed was a lie. Earlier that day, an officer had
Speaker 1: found bags of marijuana in the woods. The drugs were
Speaker 1: planted on a suspected dealer who didn't have any drugs
Speaker 1: on him. The officer threatened to arrest the suspected dealer
Speaker 1: if he didn't give up information, leading to an arrest,
Speaker 1: the man gave the police an address on a Neil
Speaker 1: Street and a fake name to buy cocaine with. The
Speaker 1: APD claimed the police were raiding the house because an
Speaker 1: informant had bought crack at Johnston's home. It turns out
Speaker 1: all of the injuries to officers came from friendly fire.
Speaker 1: They fucked up their own guys. The cops fired a
Speaker 1: total of thirty nine shots, five or six of which
Speaker 1: hit Johnston. As a ninety two year old woman living alone,
Speaker 1: she owned a rusty revolver for self defense. As these
Speaker 1: unannounced strangers in plain clothes kicked down her door, Johnston
Speaker 1: did fire once and missed. Three police officers in Atlanta
Speaker 1: executed Catherine Johnston as they shot each other with friendly fire.
Speaker 1: To cover this up, they lied and planted evidence. They
Speaker 1: ran a smear campaign against Johnston, further victimizing the old
Speaker 1: woman that they killed and who the cops knew was innocent.
Speaker 1: The police in Atlanta have a track record of shooting
Speaker 1: each other, killing civilians, and lying about it. With that
Speaker 1: history in mind, this next part might get a little complicated,
Speaker 1: but I think it's important. A lot of the people
Speaker 1: who knew tort have talked about how they often advocated
Speaker 1: for nonviolence in direct action. Many have said the sequence
Speaker 1: of events put forth by police just doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: something Torte would do, And I very much understand this reaction.
Speaker 1: Police lie all the time, especially when it comes to
Speaker 1: people the cops have killed. It is very likely that
Speaker 1: tort really was just murdered by the cops. But I
Speaker 1: also think there's part of this reaction that's almost like
Speaker 1: a self preservation mechanism, stemming from a worry that if
Speaker 1: a certain Pandora's box gets opened, what that would mean
Speaker 1: for the movement and for the struggle against militarized police
Speaker 1: and ecological collapse. More broadly, there's also many scenarios that
Speaker 1: can lead to a brief exchange of gunfire, especially with
Speaker 1: the Georgia State patrols relative inexperience conducting raids in the forest.
Speaker 1: You can spend days just thinking of various possibilities for
Speaker 1: what could have happened, as I'm sure many people in
Speaker 1: Atlanta have. The recently released bodycam makes some things more clear,
Speaker 1: but also opened up many possibilities to endlessly ruminate about,
Speaker 1: especially with on the ground chatter indicating cops shot each other.
Speaker 1: This next person is one of the original Force defenders
Speaker 1: I interviewed for my previous Defend the Atlanta Forest series
Speaker 1: from last May.
Speaker 3: As their partner stated, as it's friends sated be moved
Speaker 3: by a piece they did not show, from the idea
Speaker 3: that they could for the things that they believe, from
Speaker 3: the idea that they could be murder, from the ideas
Speaker 3: that they believe in my life.
Speaker 13: I went to live.
Speaker 4: We should not dismiss the possibility and by people can
Speaker 4: and maybe even should.
Speaker 3: Look at this world, look at the police murdering three
Speaker 3: or four people.
Speaker 4: A day, of a climate catastrophe that we live in,
Speaker 4: of the rising tide of.
Speaker 3: Fascism, of the absolute fucking hell that we fucking live in,
Speaker 3: and think this can't go on.
Speaker 4: And I'm willing to do any of them and pay
Speaker 4: any of them to make it stop.
Speaker 14: We can't dismiss if that is a very real possible grievance.
Speaker 14: There's a very real, impossible state.
Speaker 4: Of mind, and that if that was towards.
Speaker 15: Was towards get us, If those cameras, if that was
Speaker 15: its position, that it is not alone that.
Speaker 4: I undoubtedly in our willingness to die for we believe.
Speaker 1: In TORTI Ghita both privately and publicly talked about an
Speaker 1: appreciation for nonviolence as a long term strategy, and the
Speaker 1: flip side of that is Tort has also been described
Speaker 1: to me as somebody who acts with intention, acts with
Speaker 1: great thought, and if they did decide to do something,
Speaker 1: they would have had a good reason to and they
Speaker 1: would not have chosen to do something if it had
Speaker 1: the potential to put fellow forced defenders in unnecessary danger.
Speaker 1: Based on some of my conversations, while Tort advocated for
Speaker 1: the potential of nonviolence as a political strategy, they itself
Speaker 1: were not solely nonviolent. The Atlanta Police Foundation have lied
Speaker 1: about every single aspect of this project's development since the start.
Speaker 1: The GBI said that there was no body cam footage,
Speaker 1: and the police have than the last year fine tuning
Speaker 1: their propaganda to frame the Defend the Forest movement as
Speaker 1: a criminal enterprise and anyone protesting against copp City as
Speaker 1: a dangerous terrorist and threat to public safety. But there
Speaker 1: is a difference between mindlessly believing the police narrative and
Speaker 1: trying to not retroactively take away somebody's agency, especially if
Speaker 1: they did make a decision that they thought was the
Speaker 1: right choice given the circumstance.
Speaker 4: Around the ideas. I think a lot of people have
Speaker 4: been talking a.
Speaker 3: Lot about trying to you know, there's a there's there's
Speaker 3: narrative flaws and the police story about what happened in
Speaker 3: that road, there's inconsistencies.
Speaker 4: We just now photos of the gun that their allegen
Speaker 4: a legend was.
Speaker 3: Used, just like a couple of days ago, and it
Speaker 3: was days after the GBI's initial evidence final report.
Speaker 4: It doesn't all look suspicious that. I think.
Speaker 3: The thing that's bothered me is that I would never
Speaker 3: want to take away agency from someone who cannot speak
Speaker 3: for themselves for an act that they may have committed.
Speaker 3: If shot that cop, that was a shot fired in
Speaker 3: liberation against the state that murders thousands of people and
Speaker 3: destroys millions more for the car sooo system, the same
Speaker 3: state that seeks to help the South River flood and
Speaker 3: to make the soul Tony degrees ladder and to make Atlanta's.
Speaker 4: Air quality go down. I would never want to take.
Speaker 3: Agency away from my comrade to have done that when
Speaker 3: they cannot speak for themselves. And I don't think anybody
Speaker 3: should try and make it seem like make it seem
Speaker 3: like it would have.
Speaker 4: Been an unjustified act.
Speaker 3: A shot fired at the police and defense of the
Speaker 3: forest as a shot fired and self defense. Cops shoot
Speaker 3: each other all the time, and actually they're terrible with firearms.
Speaker 3: They're just not good at their jobs. GSP, I think,
Speaker 3: as a specific agency is sometime.
Speaker 4: To be focused on.
Speaker 3: I'm more here. I've seen a lot of people kind
Speaker 3: of wrap up GSP and APD and like the cab
Speaker 3: PD as these very like just as one agency GSP
Speaker 3: as Georgia State Patrol is under the direct command of
Speaker 3: our governor and do not wear body cams as an
Speaker 3: agency policy.
Speaker 4: They were the governor strong troopers.
Speaker 3: When he want something done violently and without accountability, that
Speaker 3: is who he sends.
Speaker 4: And you know, my reaction to all of this, whether
Speaker 4: or not what the events transpired, is that our comrade
Speaker 4: is that our comrade was murdered by the state, whether
Speaker 4: or not they allegedly fired on an officer. I think
Speaker 4: the solidarity and rage that people should show should be
Speaker 4: the same either way. If it were to come out
Speaker 4: that that.
Speaker 3: Officer wasn't fact shot, I would be so disheartened if
Speaker 3: people turned their back on our comrade who was slain
Speaker 3: by the police for what I see as an act
Speaker 3: of self defense.
Speaker 1: With all of the unknown around what happened the day
Speaker 1: of the shooting, what we do know for sure, I've
Speaker 1: heard boiled down to two simple points. Tort was killed
Speaker 1: defending the forest, and they died doing what it loved.
Speaker 1: The first event type thing I went to in Atlanta
Speaker 1: was a noise demo outside to Cab County Jail Thursday
Speaker 1: night for the seven people arrested as a part of
Speaker 1: the deadly raid, all seven of whom are now facing
Speaker 1: domestic terrorism charges for being in the forest. The next day, Friday,
Speaker 1: the twentieth, there was a large public vigil in Wallawnee
Speaker 1: People's Park. Last time I was there, it was for
Speaker 1: the Muscogee Creek Summit near the end of last spring.
Speaker 1: It was sunny. I was hanging out in the gazebo
Speaker 1: listening to ecological presentations. There was a large tent kitchen
Speaker 1: in the grass, and I got to sit around a
Speaker 1: table and eat food with people. When I arrived Friday
Speaker 1: evening for the vigil, the first thing I saw was
Speaker 1: the destroyed remains of the gazebo, almost on display by
Speaker 1: the entrance of the torn up parking lot. It was
Speaker 1: such a clear visual indicator for how things have changed
Speaker 1: since the start of last summer. Near the tree line,
Speaker 1: a few hundred people were gathered around a sort of
Speaker 1: outdoor shrine. A few large stone slabs, overturned candles, flowers,
Speaker 1: forest plants, little turtles, pictures, art, cigarettes, and yes fruit
Speaker 1: snacks forming an orange glowing mound. People gathered and shared
Speaker 1: memories of Tortuguita. Many spoke of its kindness and solidarity
Speaker 1: with struggles across the South, from the defense of drag
Speaker 1: shows in Tennessee to mutual aid work in Florida where
Speaker 1: they helped build housing in low income communities hit hardest
Speaker 1: by hurricanes.
Speaker 12: I feel like Tortuguita's compassion was something that really shifted
Speaker 12: the culture in the forest and touched all of the
Speaker 12: lives of the people that they met. They lived what
Speaker 12: they believed, which is something that I hope we can
Speaker 12: all be inspired by. There are so many stories of
Speaker 12: people who were just mentioning to tort like, oh, I'm
Speaker 12: in this situation, or this happened to my friend, and
Speaker 12: they would just immediately be thinking of ways that community
Speaker 12: could help them or that they could help them, and
Speaker 12: someone just shared a story with me that the last
Speaker 12: time that they saw Tort, they were telling them about
Speaker 12: how the unhoused folks in their community were getting their
Speaker 12: tents and sleeping bags like swept and then Tort gave
Speaker 12: them two hundred dollars to replace the sleeping bags and tents.
Speaker 12: And I feel like they were just they had such
Speaker 12: a sense of kinship with people, even people that they
Speaker 12: didn't know, they were so connected to like the ways
Speaker 12: that we are all a part of this web of life,
Speaker 12: and so committed to living in a way that can
Speaker 12: bring us all into a better community with each other,
Speaker 12: whether it be us and our fellow human beings or
Speaker 12: us in our forests. And they loved these woods. And
Speaker 12: I feel like the fact that these woods were where
Speaker 12: they departed from this realm into the next just makes
Speaker 12: it that much more important that we protect them and
Speaker 12: that we make sure that this forest remains intact. I
Speaker 12: know that that's what Tort would have wanted, That's what
Speaker 12: they died doing. And I think that in all of
Speaker 12: the chaos and desperation and devastation that this loss is
Speaker 12: bringing our community, I think that one of the things
Speaker 12: that has been keeping me going is remembering the love
Speaker 12: that tort had for people and for all living beings,
Speaker 12: and just feeling really connected to their compassion, and I
Speaker 12: hope that that's something I know that that's something that
Speaker 12: is touching, has touched all of us, and the ripples
Speaker 12: of it are continuing. The love that Torte brought to
Speaker 12: this world is still here and is continuing to grow.
Speaker 12: So I think that there, I think that they're here
Speaker 12: with us, and I think that they always will be
Speaker 12: because they brought so much joy and goodness and love
Speaker 12: into this world, and not something that never goes away,
Speaker 12: it only grows.
Speaker 1: I've gotten permission from a few of the people that
Speaker 1: spoke that night to share some of their stories of
Speaker 1: Torti Ghita. One of the small things that stuck with
Speaker 1: me was how someone described Torte as possessing a playful,
Speaker 1: rebellious energy.
Speaker 16: But tort and I watched this yugoslav film together called
Speaker 16: My Father the Socialist Pula, which was this joyful Yugoslavian
Speaker 16: film from the eighties about the transition after World War
Speaker 16: Two and Yugoslavia to autonomous self rule and breaking apart
Speaker 16: with the Soviet sphere, and in it uh early on
Speaker 16: in the film they're they're changing their social customs. If
Speaker 16: adopted a new way of greeting each other in Yugoslavia
Speaker 16: where they they say good morning, death the fascism. And
Speaker 16: from that time when I would see Tour, always they
Speaker 16: would that's the fascism, comrade, that's the fascism. And Tour
Speaker 16: when I first met them, Uh invited me to teach
Speaker 16: akito in the forest, which is called it's a martial art,
Speaker 16: that's called the art of peace. And so while we
Speaker 16: train as warriors, we train as peaceful warriors. But as
Speaker 16: many people have said, we for instance, did defenses of
Speaker 16: drag shows Tennessee from assemblies of Nazis and proud boys
Speaker 16: who showed up in body armor with assault rifles. And
Speaker 16: tort was militant, but joyful. Tart took all of the
Speaker 16: always it was. It was with the utmost gravity and
Speaker 16: yet with the utmost lightness.
Speaker 13: And you know, we we we as well, arranged a.
Speaker 16: Weekend of conflict resolution training here where tort rallied and
Speaker 16: was the one that brought you know, a half a
Speaker 16: dozen people. Was always rallying people, brought people to the
Speaker 16: drag defense, brought people to the trainings, brought people to
Speaker 16: my ikido class, maybe brought two dozen different people through
Speaker 16: over the course of several dozen classes. They were a
Speaker 16: peaceful warrior and they were Mike and they got shot dead.
Speaker 16: And I'd like to I'd like to lead a chant
Speaker 16: in that spirit to honor some of towards warrior spirit tonight.
Speaker 13: And I know one that they liked.
Speaker 16: Is ah Auntie Anti Capitalista. And we could start together,
Speaker 16: slow and quiet and build together a powerful voice and
Speaker 16: pierce the night ah Auntie Anti Capitalista, Anti.
Speaker 11: Anti.
Speaker 1: Throughout the night, many songs were sung alongside screams of rage.
Speaker 1: Tortogito actually left a tag with a little red sharpie
Speaker 1: on the guitar being played at the vigil. It's a
Speaker 1: little doodle of a cat face next to the words
Speaker 1: all cats are beautiful. Somebody at the vigil read out
Speaker 1: a few of the messages sent in to the Remember
Speaker 1: Torte at ProtonMail dot com email address, many of which
Speaker 1: you can now find collected at stop cop dot city.
Speaker 1: That's stop cop period city.
Speaker 12: One of the things about tort that was really inspirational
Speaker 12: is that they weren't just against capitalism. They weren't just
Speaker 12: against the police. They made abolition about what they were
Speaker 12: fighting for and on the we Remember tort Proton mail.
Speaker 12: A lot of people have been sending in stories about
Speaker 12: how they contributed so much to each community that they
Speaker 12: were in, and I want to read this one that
Speaker 12: came in from someone in Tallahassee. Everyone in Tallahassee knew Manny.
Speaker 12: I'm not even exaggerating. They were a part of almost
Speaker 12: every single organization they could get their hands on in town.
Speaker 12: Food Not Bombs, the Plant, Live Oak, Radical Ecology, International
Speaker 12: Workers of the World, Tallahassee Community Action Committee, Free Dan Baker,
Speaker 12: Stopping HB one, etc. With every person who was lucky
Speaker 12: enough to be graced with their presence, they felt safe
Speaker 12: and free to do whatever they could for the community.
Speaker 12: They ran a cold night shelter for the homeless practically
Speaker 12: on their own when the Kearney Center couldn't do it.
Speaker 12: They helped do grocery deliveries for those in the south
Speaker 12: side of town for free. They showed up to almost
Speaker 12: every single meal share that F and B hosted. And
Speaker 12: this is only a fraction of the work that they
Speaker 12: did for the Bond community here in Tallahassee and beyond. Manny,
Speaker 12: I always watched you from the periphery with Awe. I
Speaker 12: always wanted to be your close friend. I wish you
Speaker 12: could have seen the vigil that we had. You would
Speaker 12: have been proud.
Speaker 1: The large overturned stone by the flowers, candles and fruit
Speaker 1: snacks at the Wollani vigil had a message written on
Speaker 1: it that I read when I returned to the park a.
Speaker 4: Few days later.
Speaker 1: The big boulder reads erected in memory of all whose
Speaker 1: lives were lived and unjustly lost in Wolani Forest. You
Speaker 1: live on in the trees, and I remembered by the land.
Speaker 1: You will never be forgotten until every prison is empty,
Speaker 1: until every slave is free, until all live without fear,
Speaker 1: until earth has healed. Our work is not done.
Speaker 12: If it's okay, I'll share another of the message that
Speaker 12: is sent. Manny was a close friend, comrade, and above
Speaker 12: all constant fighter for working people. I knew them in
Speaker 12: Tallahassee through the IWW food not bombs and live oak
Speaker 12: radical ecology, and I will never cease to be amazed
Speaker 12: by their tireless activism, their extreme empathy, and their ability
Speaker 12: to make everyone feel welcomed in radical spaces. They died
Speaker 12: as they lived, fighting for a better world and defending
Speaker 12: the forest from destruction in the name of a fascist,
Speaker 12: militarized police force. I hope their name will not be
Speaker 12: forgotten and that their killer is brought to justice. But
Speaker 12: more than anything, I hope the cause that they fought
Speaker 12: for is victorious. Now we mourn this great loss to
Speaker 12: the Tallahassee in Atlantic communities, but tomorrow we will fight
Speaker 12: back twice as hard against cap in the state, so
Speaker 12: that Tortughita did not die in vain. This is another one.
Speaker 12: They were kind and fierce. They were sweet, extraordinarily funny, conscientious, tender, silly,
Speaker 12: loving and one of the most generous people I have met.
Speaker 12: And that contagious smile and laugh three exclamation points. I
Speaker 12: went to bed last night hearing their laughter in my head,
Speaker 12: loud and beautiful. They somehow were still there to add
Speaker 12: levity and joy as I screamed, cried and choked on
Speaker 12: my own spit all night and they killed you. You
Speaker 12: were gone, comrade. I missed you. I miss you. They
Speaker 12: had a deep understanding of solidarity and struggle. When the
Speaker 12: cops swept an encampment in my neighborhood without hesitation, they
Speaker 12: shared their forest funds to get more tents and sleeping bags,
Speaker 12: because they knew that these are not individual battles, but
Speaker 12: that these struggles are inherently tied to one another, that
Speaker 12: they are part of the same struggle. This is a
Speaker 12: lesson for the movement that must be carried forward, for them,
Speaker 12: for all of us, for the strength of the fight
Speaker 12: to stop cop City. I will miss how we greeted
Speaker 12: one another and our meager attempts to make it a
Speaker 12: thing that's a fascism literation.
Speaker 10: To all people.
Speaker 1: One of the people playing the tortighita tagged guitar at
Speaker 1: the vigil played a version of Bella Chow and I'm
Speaker 1: just going to read out the way that they described
Speaker 1: the song. Bella Chow means goodbye beautiful in Italian. The
Speaker 1: song was originally about an Italian partisan who goes out
Speaker 1: to fight the fascists in the mountains during World War Two.
Speaker 1: And I like to dedicate this version to somebody who
Speaker 1: laid their life down to fight against fascism, militarism, and
Speaker 1: against the expansion of the police and against the destruction
Speaker 1: of nature. Somebody who lifted up all of the people
Speaker 1: they were around, knew so many people, was involved in
Speaker 1: so many communities and was just so funny, so loving,
Speaker 1: so friendly, and they laid their life down for their
Speaker 1: community and to stop copsity and to stop militarism and
Speaker 1: the destruction of nature. They really believed in what they
Speaker 1: were doing, and the way we can honor them is
Speaker 1: by continuing their fight death to fascism. See you on
Speaker 1: the other side.
Speaker 4: The world is waking.
Speaker 10: Outside my window, bella chow bela chow bela chow chow
Speaker 10: chow drags.
Speaker 13: My senses into the sunlight. For there are things that
Speaker 13: I must do. Wish me luck. Now I have to
Speaker 13: leave you.
Speaker 10: Bella chow bela chow, bela chow chow chow with my friends.
Speaker 11: Now in the forest, We're gonna shake the gates of
Speaker 11: hell and.
Speaker 13: We will tell them.
Speaker 11: You will tell them you bella chow, bella chow, bella chout, shout,
Speaker 11: show that we lannis not for the franchise in which
Speaker 11: the bastards dropped down dead.
Speaker 13: Next time you see me, I may be smiling.
Speaker 11: Obella show, bella chow, bella shout, show shall I'll be
Speaker 11: in prison or on the TV.
Speaker 13: I'll say the forest called me. The world is waken.
Speaker 11: I sign my window, bella chow bella chow, bella chow
Speaker 11: chow chow. Try my senses into the sunlight. Further things
Speaker 11: that I must do, wish me luck. Now I have
Speaker 11: to leave you obella chow bella chow, bella chow chow
Speaker 11: cho Oh, and my friends that in the forest we're
Speaker 11: gonna shake the gates of hell. And we will tell him, Yeah,
Speaker 11: we will tell him a bella chow bellow chow, bella
Speaker 11: chow chow chow, that we lollies not far the franchise
Speaker 11: which the bastards dropped down.
Speaker 13: The next time you see me, I may be smiling.
Speaker 11: Bella chow bella chower, bella chow chow, shall be in prison.
Speaker 17: We're on the TV. I'll say, the forest call me here.
Speaker 17: The world is wakened. I simon a bella.
Speaker 11: Child, bella chow, bella chow chow chow. Dry my sasses
Speaker 11: into the sunlight for their things said, I must.
Speaker 13: Do almost mean.
Speaker 11: Look, well, I gotta leave you a bella chow, bella chow,
Speaker 11: bella chow chow chow.
Speaker 13: With my friends. Now in the forest, we're gonna shake
Speaker 13: the gates off Hell, and we will tell him. We
Speaker 13: will tell him.
Speaker 10: Bella chow bella chow bella chow chow chowd that wee
Speaker 10: Lannis not for the franchise and which the bastards dropped dun.
Speaker 13: Next time you see me, I might be smiling.
Speaker 10: Bella chow bella chow bella chow chow chow.
Speaker 13: I'll be in prison or on the TV. I'll say
Speaker 13: the Forest called me. Next time you see me, I maybe.
Speaker 11: Smiling bella chow bella choo, bella choo choo chow. I'll
Speaker 11: be in prison or on the TV, I'll say the
Speaker 11: Forest call me.
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