WEBVTT - Breaking Down Combine Workouts with Kent Platte and NFL News Picks Up

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<v Speaker 1>To us fires touch style by Waddle snucked into the

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<v Speaker 1>end zone of Miami Boy, tight froll, tight window. They

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<v Speaker 1>had to get that touchdown on that play. They get it.

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<v Speaker 1>What is up? Dolphins and welcome to the Drive Time Podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>part of the Miami Dolphins podcast network, covering your team,

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<v Speaker 1>your Miami Dolphins. How's it going? Everybody? I am your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Travis Wingfield, And on today's show, we are putting a

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<v Speaker 1>bow on the combine and some draft notes until after

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<v Speaker 1>free agency calms down from the first week or two

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<v Speaker 1>of activity. We're gonna welcome in our annual guest and

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<v Speaker 1>Kent Platt of the Relative Athletics Scorecard to help us

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<v Speaker 1>break down the on field workouts. Plus we have to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the crazy week that has been in the

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<v Speaker 1>National Football League, franchise tag deadline, major quarterback news, and

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<v Speaker 1>the impact on the new league year. Coming your way

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<v Speaker 1>next week with wall to wall coverage here on the

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<v Speaker 1>Drivetime Podcast and all over Miami Dolphins content avenues from

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere in South Florida. This is the Drive Time Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We start here with some Dolphins news and we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>to the league news here in just one second. But

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<v Speaker 1>we start with some tendered exclusive rights free agents. Defensive

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<v Speaker 1>back Elijah Campbell, who joined the club mid season last

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<v Speaker 1>year and really became one of the core special teamers

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<v Speaker 1>and was an absolute maven in that role for that matter,

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<v Speaker 1>watching him on tape, he was consistently getting down on

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<v Speaker 1>tackles and getting off blocks and just doing the work,

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<v Speaker 1>the dirty work that kind of goes unnoticed on the

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<v Speaker 1>third phase so often, and you can never have enough

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<v Speaker 1>defensive backs, especially when they function that highly on special teams.

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<v Speaker 1>And then also running back Savan Akhmed, who you might

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<v Speaker 1>recall began his career with the forty Niners as a

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<v Speaker 1>U d F. A out of you, Dub and Mike McDaniel.

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<v Speaker 1>There with the Niners, he'll get a chance to show

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<v Speaker 1>this staff what he can do. And what I've always

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<v Speaker 1>thought that Savan could do is hit home runs. He

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<v Speaker 1>has electric speed and acceleration to the perimeter and otherwise.

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<v Speaker 1>What game was that last year? I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>the Panthers where I thought he was a shoe string

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<v Speaker 1>tackle away two separate occasions from hitting the big run.

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<v Speaker 1>You bring that single high safety down, you get it

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<v Speaker 1>blocked up, well, you make one guy miss at the

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<v Speaker 1>second level, and you can hit some home runs in

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<v Speaker 1>the running game, and we know how much I love

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<v Speaker 1>big plays in the running game. And then also his

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<v Speaker 1>factoring into the passing game. Remember that wheel route he

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<v Speaker 1>caught against the Bears from Jacoby Brissette last preseason for

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<v Speaker 1>a touchdown. That happened almost daily in camp, and I

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<v Speaker 1>always wanted to see him get more of those looks

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<v Speaker 1>and get another opportunity to see just more of what

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<v Speaker 1>he can do. And we'll get that opportunity here this

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<v Speaker 1>offseason to watch him in the offseason camps and up

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<v Speaker 1>to training camp. Then, of course, nothing can become official

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<v Speaker 1>sands players who were outright released agreeing to terms with

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<v Speaker 1>new clubs, but nothing else can become official until the

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<v Speaker 1>new league year. You might recall Alex Smith's trade back

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<v Speaker 1>in or the Matt Stafford trade last winter. Both of

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<v Speaker 1>those went down within a week of the Super Bowl,

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<v Speaker 1>per reports, right, couldn't make it official until the new

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<v Speaker 1>league year. Then we saw them officially executed on you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in mid March. And it's not like that's some new thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I remember the Sam Bradford trade to was

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<v Speaker 1>it Minnesota, No, it was the one before that was

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<v Speaker 1>the Eagles trade But that was which leads me into

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<v Speaker 1>the first point I have about all the news that

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<v Speaker 1>went down on Tuesday. Actually first in case this is

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<v Speaker 1>the only football content you consume, and if it is,

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<v Speaker 1>we thank you. But here's the news that happened. So

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Rodger, Rogers ROJ will reportedly sign a new contract

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<v Speaker 1>to stay with the Packers, probably until he retires. Right

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<v Speaker 1>the contract has had to be four years, which will

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<v Speaker 1>take him well into his forties. And how cool was

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<v Speaker 1>the reaction to that news and kind of a peek

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<v Speaker 1>behind the curtain in terms of how these NFL front

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<v Speaker 1>offices and executives are just always working trying to find

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<v Speaker 1>the best way possible to improve their football teams. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the Rogers links to Denver, especially with Nathaniel Hackett there,

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<v Speaker 1>they were quite strong. And then that began in earnest,

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<v Speaker 1>long before that last year on Draft night, when those

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<v Speaker 1>reports first surfaced that Rogers might be interested in a

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<v Speaker 1>trade out of Green Bay. I'll never forget being at

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<v Speaker 1>the stadium for Draft night and the draft party. It

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<v Speaker 1>was all we could talk about. Whether I was talking

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<v Speaker 1>to alumni, fellow media members, people fans at the stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone was buzzing about the potential Aaron Rodgers trade that

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to go down that night on Draft night.

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<v Speaker 1>It never did. It never materialized, and here he is

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<v Speaker 1>now back with the Packers. But that was all we

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<v Speaker 1>could talk about it. It took up the headlines at

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<v Speaker 1>sure as hell, takes up the a block of so

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<v Speaker 1>many syndicated radio shows I'm a fan of, and it

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<v Speaker 1>grew a little bit tiring. But that shoe dropped. Then

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<v Speaker 1>the bigger shoe dropped in the Russell Wilson trade, which

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<v Speaker 1>again this gives you the idea, you know, the Broncos

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<v Speaker 1>so heavily linked to Aaron Rodgers. That gets announced, and

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<v Speaker 1>just a couple hours later, the Russell Wilson trade has

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<v Speaker 1>been announced, and you know, much of the dismay of

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<v Speaker 1>my friends back home in the Emerald City and the

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<v Speaker 1>breathtaking Pacific Northwest. He is a Seahawk. No more. Seattle

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<v Speaker 1>and Denver strike a trade that sends the future Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Fame quarterback. I feel pretty comfortable saying that to

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<v Speaker 1>the Rocky Mountains in exchange for and it's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a fourth fifth round pick swap. Let's get

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<v Speaker 1>that out of the way. But Seattle gets Denver's first rounders,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the ninth pick this year, and that, to

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<v Speaker 1>me is where the real value there comes, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even if the Broncos don't play too I think what

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<v Speaker 1>their expectation would be. Even even in that instance, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to assume like seven eight wins minimum, which puts

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<v Speaker 1>you in the teens of the following draft. So the

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<v Speaker 1>ninth pick is probably not guaranteed, but probably the highest

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<v Speaker 1>pick the Seahawks will get from that hall. Now, when

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<v Speaker 1>we got the picks from Houston for the Larrymie Tunzill

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny Stills trade, I think there was always the potential

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<v Speaker 1>for those Texans teams to have what amounted to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a Murphy's Law type of season, right where everything goes wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>because they had injuries to DeAndre Hopkins, to j J. Watt,

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<v Speaker 1>to so many crew crucial players on that roster. And

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<v Speaker 1>that was without an injury to the starting quarterback who

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<v Speaker 1>played all sixteen games that year. And that's I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why it's somewhat insane that with Dolphins wound up

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<v Speaker 1>with a third pick and ultimately Jalen Waddle and Javon

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<v Speaker 1>Holland and another first round pick in more on us

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<v Speaker 1>here in just a minute. So can the Seahawks use

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<v Speaker 1>that ninth pick to a whire more draft capital this year?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe my buddy Mitch from back home might lose

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<v Speaker 1>his mind if that happens. In fact, I told him

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<v Speaker 1>I might mention him on the podcast and the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of them moving back, and if you know the Seahawks,

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<v Speaker 1>they move back in the draft all the time. And

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<v Speaker 1>he says, if they find a way to trade all

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<v Speaker 1>the way out of the first round altogether, that he's

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<v Speaker 1>looking or that I'm looking rather at the newest Miami

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<v Speaker 1>Dolphins fans. So Mitch, come join us, my friend. But

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<v Speaker 1>the Seahawk get the two first rounders, they get to

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<v Speaker 1>second rounders, They get Shelby Harris, a damn fine player.

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<v Speaker 1>They get no Offense who I think has all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of ability that has not yet shown itself in the

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<v Speaker 1>National Football League in terms of his upside and production.

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<v Speaker 1>And they also get Drew Lock, the former second round

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<v Speaker 1>pick there of the Denver Broncos. And with that Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson trade value chart that we consult so often on

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, on Twitter and really across the football landscape,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a suggestion these days. Right, the value that we

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<v Speaker 1>have to evaluate off of is really just the recent trade.

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<v Speaker 1>So that brings me back to this point, a trade

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<v Speaker 1>the Dolphins made back in tween that the sun has

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<v Speaker 1>still not set on in the Larry me Tunsel Kenny

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<v Speaker 1>Stills trade two first round picks and a second round pick,

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<v Speaker 1>which again Waddle and Holland are part of that. Hall

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<v Speaker 1>feel pretty good about that. Some mid round swaps and

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<v Speaker 1>some players swaps. You know, Johnson Batamosi was part of

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<v Speaker 1>that trade, a special teams player and defensive back to

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<v Speaker 1>that nineteen Dolphins team. And again you should also mention

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny Stills because he was a heck of a player

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<v Speaker 1>and he his name often gets buried in revisiting that trade,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was a big piece for that Texans offense

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<v Speaker 1>as well. But I mean, we're talking about quarterback value

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<v Speaker 1>for a non quarterback and maximizing the opportunities you have

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<v Speaker 1>to get well above market value when the opportunity presents itself.

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<v Speaker 1>And now, if you look at reports circulating out there,

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<v Speaker 1>like lances are lined for instance from NFL dot Com,

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<v Speaker 1>who does radio in Houston and as as plugged in

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<v Speaker 1>and Houston as anybody across the National Football League suggesting

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<v Speaker 1>that Larry me Tunsil might be available for a trade

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<v Speaker 1>this offseason, and he floated the idea of potential late

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<v Speaker 1>first round pick to make that happen. Like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's about the value you see from Orlando Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>from a even a Frank Clark of you know, non quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>big time producer that was traded at you know, before

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<v Speaker 1>a contract came up. And what do you see who

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<v Speaker 1>with the quarterbacks who get dealt in these blockbuster trades.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Matt Stafford's going anywhere from Los Angeles an

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<v Speaker 1>time soon. He'll be there forever. Probably do you think

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<v Speaker 1>Russell Wilson's gonna play anywhere but Denver for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he had to sign off on a no

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<v Speaker 1>trade provision to let this deal happen. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>think the Rams and Broncos respectively, feel like they have

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<v Speaker 1>their quarterbacks for the next seven eight years minimum. Stafford

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<v Speaker 1>was acquired for two first round picks and a third

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<v Speaker 1>But another big part of that trade was offloading the

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<v Speaker 1>Jared Goff contract. But from a picks perspective, it was

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<v Speaker 1>literally less than what Miami got for Laramie Tunzil, and

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about this roster on the podcast a lot, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know the names, Christian Wilkins going back to nineteen injury,

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<v Speaker 1>Van Ginkel to a big rob Ray Kwon Davis, Brandon Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen Waddle, given Philip Javon Holland. In a lot of ways,

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<v Speaker 1>that trade set the table for the Dolphins to have

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<v Speaker 1>this run of draft success where they're picking up big

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<v Speaker 1>time contributors on rookie contracts and really having those guys

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<v Speaker 1>be primary producers on this roster. The flexibility you gain

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<v Speaker 1>from that and the fact that you're still profiting off

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<v Speaker 1>that that trade and future draft picks. It creates a

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<v Speaker 1>level of flexibility. It creates a level of, well, we

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<v Speaker 1>can go after this position because we know we have

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<v Speaker 1>more picks here. It's just ms that's definition of flexibility.

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<v Speaker 1>But it really set the table for Miami to get

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<v Speaker 1>themselves into this position where they have the most caps

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<v Speaker 1>based on the National Football League, the least amount of

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<v Speaker 1>dead cap in the National Football League, a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of young players on rookie contracts who are big time

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<v Speaker 1>producers in the system. That's a big part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the Dolphins lens on that and frankly, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>excited to have another year of someone else's first round pick.

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<v Speaker 1>It always adds an element of excitement to that particular season. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson to the a f C is well, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>this conference and the balance of quarterback play is it's

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<v Speaker 1>tough that division. Someone asked me this or asked this

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<v Speaker 1>question on Twitter. I should say, is this the best

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback division of all time? And I saw some references

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<v Speaker 1>to the nineties a f C East with Marino, Kelly Bledsoe, Assaissin,

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<v Speaker 1>a Siasen and Hardbaugh. That's pretty good, But I think

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<v Speaker 1>I might lean towards this one right now. I mean Mahomes, Wilson,

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<v Speaker 1>Herbert Carr, Derek Carr would probably be minimum the second

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<v Speaker 1>best quarterback. And like a lot of divisions in the

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<v Speaker 1>National Football League, the majority of divisions, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>certainly make the argument that he would come in forth

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<v Speaker 1>and an a f C West quarterback power rankings. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is a guy that I had firmly, very firmly

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<v Speaker 1>among my top ten quarterbacks this season ago just insane.

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<v Speaker 1>The balance of power there by the way we played

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<v Speaker 1>the a f C North this year, but we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>ten wins come up short of a playoff birth. We've

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<v Speaker 1>seen nine wins come up short of a playoff birth.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen the team have back to back winning seasons

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<v Speaker 1>result in zero playoff berths, the first team to do

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<v Speaker 1>that since well US in two thousand to two thousand three.

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<v Speaker 1>And that speaks to the balance of power between the

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<v Speaker 1>conferences the last two years. And this a f C gauntlet,

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<v Speaker 1>So no one said it was gonna be easy. Lots

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<v Speaker 1>of work to be done for every club, obviously across

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<v Speaker 1>the National Football League, but it did get a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit harder with Mr Unlimited coming to the a f C. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>that wasn't the only news we talked about Mike Gasicki's

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<v Speaker 1>franchise tag on the last edition of the Drivetime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>There was some more that went down. Mike Gasicky, Dalton Schultz,

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<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys, David Najoku from the Cleveland Browns, the tight

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<v Speaker 1>end market there depressed a little bit. Davante Adams, Chris Godwin,

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Bates, Cam Robinson, and Orlando Brown. So the tight

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<v Speaker 1>end market takes a bit of a hit, But that

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<v Speaker 1>makes you feel better about Mike Asiki coming back, Adams

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<v Speaker 1>with Rogers and that contract. Both those guys will have

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<v Speaker 1>on like on the tag and and the extension that

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<v Speaker 1>Roger is reported to receive. That would be fun to

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<v Speaker 1>watch how the Packers piece that thing together. Two very

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<v Speaker 1>very expensive players and too well, the best probably the

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<v Speaker 1>best quarterback in the best receiver in the National Football League.

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<v Speaker 1>So with Adams and Godwin going off the market and

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Williams signing an extension with the Chargers on a

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<v Speaker 1>MEGAMEGA deal, that deeplets the receiver market a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Which we're gonna do an updated version of some of

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<v Speaker 1>those free agent primers we did, was it a month

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<v Speaker 1>ago and give you a better vision of what it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like now come the new league gear. So those

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<v Speaker 1>guys off the market, Calvin Ridley obviously was mentioned among

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<v Speaker 1>reports as guys that might be available for trade. Strike

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<v Speaker 1>that idea. That's four guys at the receiver position that

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<v Speaker 1>we're inside Pro Football Focus is top twenty available free agents,

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<v Speaker 1>and not a free agent but a guy that was

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<v Speaker 1>rumored to be potentially on the move. So four of

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<v Speaker 1>those top guys out of the equation now and just

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<v Speaker 1>some late breaking news into the podcast as I'm recording,

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<v Speaker 1>Carson wentz It sounds like we'll be going from Indianapolis

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<v Speaker 1>back to the NFC East for the Washington Commanders, so

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<v Speaker 1>some more quarterback movement here in the league. The dominoes

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<v Speaker 1>continue to fall. So we'll have all of that stuff

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<v Speaker 1>covered for you here on the Drivetime podcast in the

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<v Speaker 1>coming days and the coming weeks here as the new

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<v Speaker 1>league your kicks off next week. And look, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to make an apology here real quick to the Miami

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<v Speaker 1>Heat and Heat fans everywhere, because I was caught up

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<v Speaker 1>in the hysteria of the NFL offseason, which is, in

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<v Speaker 1>all honesty, the second best season of sports behind the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL season, and so I tweeted that all other sports

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<v Speaker 1>are just passing time between the NFL's tent pole events.

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<v Speaker 1>But you guys know, I'm all in on the Miami Heat.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go Heat, baby, and they're run to the finals

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<v Speaker 1>as there's a drive deep to left and I'll make

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<v Speaker 1>it a four oh ball game. So, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll revisit this next week. I also want to hear

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<v Speaker 1>from you. Put your questions in the Apple podcast reviews.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll answer the five star ratings on our mail Bag

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<v Speaker 1>podcast next week. Also, I'll put a tweet out for

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<v Speaker 1>that and get some written questions on the Miami Dolphins

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<v Speaker 1>dot com web page to get as many of your

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<v Speaker 1>questions answered as we can. But coming up next back

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<v Speaker 1>to the Combine, my annual guest Kent Platt, the creator

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<v Speaker 1>of the Relative Athletics scorecard that's coming your way next

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<v Speaker 1>here on the Drivetime Podcast brought to you by Auto Nation.

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<v Speaker 1>Back here on the Drive Time Podcast, brought to you

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<v Speaker 1>by Auto Nation, and I am thrilled to be joined

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<v Speaker 1>as I am annually by This is off my show

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<v Speaker 1>notes Kent. But the best mustache I've seen so far

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<v Speaker 1>in the whole zoom process. He is Kent Platt, the

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<v Speaker 1>creator of one of my of my favorite draft resource

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<v Speaker 1>that's out there in the Relative Athletics Scorecard. Kent first,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome fantastic mustache. And to kick it off, rather than

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<v Speaker 1>me explaining r A S, why don't you go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and give the audience here a quick rundown on what

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<v Speaker 1>exactly r A S is. Yeah, great, I'm glad that

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<v Speaker 1>you have me and I always love coming back. Relative

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<v Speaker 1>Athletics score was created to be a way to contextualize

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<v Speaker 1>the metrics that we get at the Combine days every year.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very easy to use all those buzzwords like oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is quick but not fast, or this guy

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<v Speaker 1>is explosive and and that type of stuff doesn't really

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<v Speaker 1>mean anything. It's just words that they throw around. But

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<v Speaker 1>then you see the times, the actual raw metrics, and

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<v Speaker 1>those don't really mean anything to most fans either. If

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<v Speaker 1>I if I tell you that a wide receiver ran

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<v Speaker 1>a four or five two, that doesn't really mean that much.

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<v Speaker 1>But if I tell you a wide receiver ran a

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<v Speaker 1>four five two and a defensive end ran at four

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<v Speaker 1>five two, well that's the same time. That's that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>good for both, right, Well, it's it's okay for a

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<v Speaker 1>wide receiver, whereas for a defensive end that's a fantastic time.

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<v Speaker 1>And RAS does a great job of contextualizing that, because

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<v Speaker 1>your score at a receiver for four or five two

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be just about average, a little bit above average,

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<v Speaker 1>but for a defensive end that's gonna be very very high.

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<v Speaker 1>Because for a defensive end that's a much more impressive score.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything's rated on a zero to ten scale. Everybody can

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<v Speaker 1>understand zero to tend. Zero is never good, tend is

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<v Speaker 1>always good. When you zero it's end um and everything's

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<v Speaker 1>color coded. You know, it's got the whole style Blake colors,

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<v Speaker 1>color scheme, red, yellow, and green, and people can figure

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff out on their own too. So the idea

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<v Speaker 1>was to create something that was very fan facing and

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<v Speaker 1>very easy to understand, and I think it's done a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good job of that over the last couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>I think without question it has especially the red, the red, green, yellow.

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<v Speaker 1>Man Like, every time I type in a player, like

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<v Speaker 1>a for instance, on draft night, if the Dolphins draft

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<v Speaker 1>someone that I'm not intimately familiar with their game, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>already as that thing, find it out, and then it's

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<v Speaker 1>all green. It's like, all right, here we go. Now

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking. Now we're cooking with guests. And so that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of brings me to a question I was curious about, Kent,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know if there is an answer to

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<v Speaker 1>this or not. I'm just kind of kind of going

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<v Speaker 1>off script again on you. I apologize for that, but

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<v Speaker 1>it fascinates me so much. I was just wondering, do

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<v Speaker 1>you find, uh, you know, certain certain indicators, or is

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<v Speaker 1>there a certain way to score or measure ultimately the

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<v Speaker 1>success of draft picks or players. That ties back to

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<v Speaker 1>RASS because you know we've talked. We talked about this

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<v Speaker 1>off air. You don't have to have elite testing numbers

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<v Speaker 1>to be a great NFL player, like Xaviing was a

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<v Speaker 1>player who who wasn't a high RAS scre one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best cornerbacks in the National Football League. But have

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of over the years, because this goes back

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<v Speaker 1>to ven, have you kind of put together something in

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<v Speaker 1>your mind about like, Okay, I know that when a

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<v Speaker 1>player does this, this, and this, it tends to equal

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<v Speaker 1>that or does that not exist in this project. It's

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<v Speaker 1>hard because when you're trying to explain and everybody wants

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<v Speaker 1>it to be like, well, higher number means better, so

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<v Speaker 1>if I get this, I should get this, and it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really correlate in that way. Everything's kind of threshold

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<v Speaker 1>based and you can really see it. I actually put

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<v Speaker 1>it up on the site now on the main page

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<v Speaker 1>at r S Football. You can actually sort by Pro

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<v Speaker 1>bowlers or by thousand yard receivers or thousand yard rushers

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<v Speaker 1>or different pass rushers have ten sacks in the season,

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<v Speaker 1>and you'll see it immediately because the majority of those

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<v Speaker 1>guys are going to be in the green so it

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<v Speaker 1>shows you that there's a correlation over time for guys

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<v Speaker 1>to test really well. But that doesn't mean that a

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<v Speaker 1>guy tests well and he's gonna do well. It just

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<v Speaker 1>generally means that if a guy does well, he probably

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<v Speaker 1>tested well. So it kind of worked the other way around.

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<v Speaker 1>And once you get that kind of mindset, it really

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<v Speaker 1>helps to project because you're never gonna look just at

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<v Speaker 1>testing numbers. You're always going to go back to the

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<v Speaker 1>tape and see what else is there, Because whether a

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<v Speaker 1>guy tests well or he tests poorly, if he's got

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<v Speaker 1>good tape, that's the guy that you're going to be considering.

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<v Speaker 1>Drafting for your football team is just weighing the risk

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<v Speaker 1>based on tons of different factors, of which athletic testing

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<v Speaker 1>is one. No, it makes perfect sense. And and for me,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, knowing those kind of comparison cards, like I

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<v Speaker 1>told you, I use this tool not just during draft season,

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<v Speaker 1>but sometimes in season when I'm trying to think about

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<v Speaker 1>particular matchups for for the team, Like, for instance, if

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<v Speaker 1>they have a super athletic, long speed type of receiver,

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<v Speaker 1>I might think about Byron Jones because of how athletic

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<v Speaker 1>he is and how he might match up in that

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<v Speaker 1>skill set. So it's fascinating stuff, can't We're just getting

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<v Speaker 1>started here, and before we do get started, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to look at maybe some current dolphins and

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<v Speaker 1>where they checked in to kind of help develop that

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<v Speaker 1>shared aesthetic for both you and I but also for

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<v Speaker 1>the audience. And again, where else would you start besides

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<v Speaker 1>Byron Jones, who broke all kinds of combine records and

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<v Speaker 1>even a world record on the broad jump? What about

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<v Speaker 1>his r as? That really kind of I guess just

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<v Speaker 1>walk us through Byron Jones and and the rest scorecard. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Byron Jones actually broke bras. The original calculation that I

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<v Speaker 1>had for for RAS was broken by Byron Jones because

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<v Speaker 1>his his twelve foot three inch broad jump was so

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<v Speaker 1>much higher than the next best guy that the old

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<v Speaker 1>calculation that used just just wasn't sufficient an before. But

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<v Speaker 1>Byron Jones came out with a with a straight tent

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<v Speaker 1>because I think he came out as a safety originally

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<v Speaker 1>and then transferred transition quarterback cornerback. Um, but he's got

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<v Speaker 1>a nine point nine nine and almost all of his

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<v Speaker 1>stats are above nine. Anything above eight is considered elite tier,

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<v Speaker 1>that top and he's above nine on almost all of

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<v Speaker 1>his metrics, and the ones that he's not above nine on,

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<v Speaker 1>he's still above eight on every single metric. Is green.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this isn't a guy that came out messing

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<v Speaker 1>around when it came to his combine testing. He he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to blow everything out of the water, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he did. He definitely did that. Another guy that we

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<v Speaker 1>just saw it get the franchise tag for the Miami Dolphins,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mike get Sicky. He had similar testing numbers, which

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<v Speaker 1>surprised nobody who knew about his basketball, his volleyball, his

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<v Speaker 1>college tape background. But what about Mike A. Sicky? Where

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<v Speaker 1>did he check in among tight ends all time? I

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<v Speaker 1>guess since A seven. He came in at nine point

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<v Speaker 1>nine seven, which was the second highest for tight ends,

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<v Speaker 1>so he got a second or third, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the highest all time for tight ends. He tested,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, extremely well and ending, and the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing he did had that that didn't really compare favorably

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<v Speaker 1>was his weight. But that's a that's a historical thing,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's been trending downward for tight ends for quite

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<v Speaker 1>a while now, for at least the last seven or

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<v Speaker 1>eight years, where tight ends have gotten a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more lean and a little bit faster, a lot faster

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<v Speaker 1>um and Gauziki ran a four point five four, which

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<v Speaker 1>was nine seven percentile for a tight end. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was very fast, very quick, very agile, and very

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<v Speaker 1>explosive at a four be one inch for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all of his numbers were good. And if if your

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<v Speaker 1>worst thing is I mean he's a little skinnier than

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<v Speaker 1>those guys from back in the nineties. If that's the

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<v Speaker 1>worst thing that you can say about a guy, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you're doing all right. Yeah, exactly right. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know we're speaking of skinny and larger guys. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about Jordan Davis here in just one second.

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<v Speaker 1>My want to combine that guy had but at that

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<v Speaker 1>same position group and one of the fan favorites down

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<v Speaker 1>here is Christian Wilkins. And again going back to previous

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<v Speaker 1>evidence him doing the splits at the National Championship game,

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<v Speaker 1>you probably how to fill in that guy was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>limber and pretty athletic. How did he do and rest?

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<v Speaker 1>And he's such a likable dude, Christian Wilkins coming out, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Wilkins actually got an elite score, but he didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of elite individual testing metrics, which I love

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<v Speaker 1>these types of guys because this isn't a guy who

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<v Speaker 1>comes out here and he's just blowing your way with

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<v Speaker 1>one big thing. But he's he's better than pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>everybody at everything. He's he doesn't have any any individual

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<v Speaker 1>flaws from an athletic standpoint, and it's really great to

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<v Speaker 1>see guys that do that. You know, he's above average

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<v Speaker 1>in his speed, and his explosiveness and his agility. None

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<v Speaker 1>of those are elite marked, but all of them are

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<v Speaker 1>really good, and that to me, that tracks to really

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<v Speaker 1>who he is as a player. He's just really good

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<v Speaker 1>at everything. And he really flashed some elite level run

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<v Speaker 1>defense this year as well too, So seeing him kind

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<v Speaker 1>of come into his own and get better every single year.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anybody else out there you want to throw

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<v Speaker 1>in that I'm forgetting on the Dolphins roster that just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of blew your mind on the scorecards, Javon Holland

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<v Speaker 1>was a guy that came out and just blew out testing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he had a nine point five four. He

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<v Speaker 1>had really good speed, really good explosiveness. Um, you kind

0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:39.280
<v Speaker 1>of expected that when you watched him on tape because

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<v Speaker 1>he's very clearly a fast and explosive guy. Hunter Long

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<v Speaker 1>was notable. I know you guys already had Gisicky, but

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<v Speaker 1>but whenever you drafted tight end, tight end is the most, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the most correlated position when it comes to athletic testing

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<v Speaker 1>and success in the NFL. And when you draft the

0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:59.000
<v Speaker 1>tight end, you you just should go after the better athletes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's play and the numbers, right, you want

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<v Speaker 1>to play the numbers. Um. And how the Long came

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<v Speaker 1>out in the class that didn't really have quite as

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<v Speaker 1>many top tier athletes, UM, but he was. He scored

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<v Speaker 1>really well on explosiveness and great in his speed. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, four seven one doesn't even it doesn't sound

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<v Speaker 1>as great as it used to because we're so used

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<v Speaker 1>to these ridiculous guys like the Zicky coming out now.

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<v Speaker 1>But four seven one is still really really good for

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<v Speaker 1>a sight end. Um. It's just below eightieth percentile UM.

0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:28.680
<v Speaker 1>And you get a guy like that and you compare

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<v Speaker 1>him with some body with like Kisiki, that's that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>putting some weapons on your football field. UM. And then

0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:37.520
<v Speaker 1>of course Jalen Phillips came out last year Jalen Phillips

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<v Speaker 1>Um posted a nine point eight seven, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>highest all times for a pass rusher. All of his

0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:46.320
<v Speaker 1>numbers were really good except for his bench, but he's

0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:48.560
<v Speaker 1>got longer arms, so guys longer arms but usually have

0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the best benches. All of his other numbers were fantastic.

0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:56.200
<v Speaker 1>They were they were elite speed, elite explosion, great agility drills.

0:24:56.280 --> 0:24:57.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you just can't go wrong with that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of athletic profile, and we saw that translates to breaking

0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:03.320
<v Speaker 1>the Dolphins rookie sack record this last season with eight

0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:06.160
<v Speaker 1>and a half sacks for Jalen phillips You really kind

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<v Speaker 1>of caught my attention there with the hunter long stuff

0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:10.880
<v Speaker 1>and the idea behind the athletic tight ends. I wasn't

0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:13.760
<v Speaker 1>aware of that. So that position group by the numbers,

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<v Speaker 1>just traditionally and historically looking back, is typically favors the

0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:20.440
<v Speaker 1>more athletic player. That's what you're saying. Yeah, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>not very common that you have a tight end that

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<v Speaker 1>finds a whole lot of success in the NFL that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have an elite profile. We've got a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>guys recently who didn't have that top tier profile. You're

0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Graham's, your Rob Groundkowski's. Um zach Ertz is probably

0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:37.400
<v Speaker 1>the most notable one. He didn't have that elite profile.

0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Mark Andrews was close, but he didn't have an elite

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<v Speaker 1>profile either. But most tight ends who find success in

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL, even a little bit of success, are elite testers.

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<v Speaker 1>These are your best athletes that you can get on

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<v Speaker 1>a football field. UM, there are no good examples of

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<v Speaker 1>a tight end who didn't test well and found significant

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<v Speaker 1>in NFL success. The the one guy that we had

0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:05.680
<v Speaker 1>was a Jordan Read from Washington, and he was injured

0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:07.920
<v Speaker 1>coming out and then injured for a good deal of

0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:11.680
<v Speaker 1>his NFL career. But he just barely qualified and was

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<v Speaker 1>below average. UM. Everybody else that's found significant NFL success.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I see significant nflos success, I'm talking about

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:21.440
<v Speaker 1>yardage benchmarks because that's something I can track. UM, and

0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 1>and he had it's just a seven and fifth yards

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<v Speaker 1>season or better, and nobody else has had. It's there's

0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:31.960
<v Speaker 1>this there's just so rare. You're very into the qualifile

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<v Speaker 1>of metrics, aren't you. There, Ken I I don't blame

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:37.160
<v Speaker 1>you for that. With numbers, it's a tough sport to quantify.

0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 1>So that's why I saw. I'm a huge fan of

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<v Speaker 1>of what you and your team do over there, Ris,

0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:42.400
<v Speaker 1>But um, you know, let's let's go ahead and pivot

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<v Speaker 1>now to the actual draft class this year and can

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<v Speaker 1>I went down and just I found team needs on

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<v Speaker 1>CBS sports dot com and they list an offensive line,

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<v Speaker 1>running back, receiver, and uh, the linebacker position. So let's

0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:56.800
<v Speaker 1>go ahead and just focus on those four here for

0:26:56.840 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 1>this particular podcast. And let's go ahead and start at

0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:01.000
<v Speaker 1>the running back position. And I want to hear just

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<v Speaker 1>about guys that really kind of popped in R A

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<v Speaker 1>S but also the question I had specifically about Iowa

0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 1>States Bruce Hall, because I know he's for sure going

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<v Speaker 1>to be on your list. And I heard a stat

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<v Speaker 1>today again going off script, once you get on you

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<v Speaker 1>here on the podcast Around the NFL podcast talked about

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:19.480
<v Speaker 1>how his measurements in terms of his I think it

0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 1>was his next gen score was like Sae Kwon, Barkley,

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Reggie Bush, Derrick Henry and forgive me forgetting the rest

0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:29.200
<v Speaker 1>of the class, but all guys that have had really

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<v Speaker 1>good NFL careers, is that kind of the mold you

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<v Speaker 1>found him in in the r A s Well he

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<v Speaker 1>posted a nine point nine five. Okay, you can't, you

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 1>can't get a whole lot better than that, but he

0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:42.920
<v Speaker 1>falls within a really good, a really good group of

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:47.119
<v Speaker 1>testers who became those top tier types of rushers. Uh,

0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:51.159
<v Speaker 1>you're you're really just talking about size and speed and explosiveness.

0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:54.120
<v Speaker 1>The running backs all skipped the agility drills this year,

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<v Speaker 1>do some some scheduling stuff with their combine, but he

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<v Speaker 1>ran a four three nine, which is any thing sub

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 1>four four is we've kind of lost how rare that

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 1>that trade is, and it's gonna it's gonna seem even

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<v Speaker 1>more common after this combine because there were so many

0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:13.520
<v Speaker 1>fast runners of this combine. But it's it's nine seven

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 1>percentile at the running back position to run under a

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:20.440
<v Speaker 1>four four that's that's not something that's common. That's that's

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:23.480
<v Speaker 1>that's the highest three percent you can get. Um. And

0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 1>then his explosive drills, where ninety three percentile for his

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<v Speaker 1>Verton is broad. You've got a guy who can plan

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<v Speaker 1>his foot in the ground and then get up to

0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>a very high top speed very quickly. That's useful in

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:38.640
<v Speaker 1>the NFL UM and he's not a small back you know,

0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 1>he's not a huge bruiser, but you know, five eleven

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 1>two d and twelve pounds or two hundred and seventeen pounds,

0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:46.560
<v Speaker 1>that's not small. That's the guy that can that can

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:48.960
<v Speaker 1>mix it up. So you've got that speed and you've

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 1>got some size there, you can do a lot of

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.720
<v Speaker 1>damage with that three down back. With tons and tons

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<v Speaker 1>and tons of college production. Another guy that had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of college production this last season. What's really in

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<v Speaker 1>the Heisman Canada? Uh watched their towards the end? Was

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<v Speaker 1>he goes by Kenny Walker the third now not Kenneth

0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Walker from Michigan State. Where does he kind of check

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<v Speaker 1>in and and just kind of give us the the

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 1>over over? What's the what's the term looking for here?

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<v Speaker 1>The bird's eye view of geez, Travis, you do words

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 1>for a living, the bird's eye view here of this

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<v Speaker 1>running back class and how they stack up traditionally to

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of running back classes going back to seven. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very familiar with Kenny Walker. I actually live just

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<v Speaker 1>just down the street from from the Michigan State campus runter.

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<v Speaker 1>So um, you know he also ran us up for

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<v Speaker 1>for um. The big question for him coming in was

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not he had that kind of breakaway speed

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and running for Stile Courtier a bath that kind of

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 1>that answers that question. Um, he brings much of the

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 1>similar stuff that that we saw with Breece Hall. You know,

0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:49.680
<v Speaker 1>he's not quite as big, but he's a little bit

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:52.600
<v Speaker 1>more compact. He's a little bit more thickly built. So,

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, Breeze Hall might be maybe a rocket. Kenneth

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Walker is a little bit more like a bowling ball.

0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:03.080
<v Speaker 1>Shout out of the rocket, that's too good, that's too good.

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<v Speaker 1>What about? What about? You know, just kind of thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about where this where the draft might come off in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of Dolphins have picked twenty nine, pick fifty. You

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<v Speaker 1>never know where the running back goes. It tends to

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 1>be like a cavalcade. Once one guy goes, a few

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 1>more go and that's just how it kind of seems

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<v Speaker 1>to to materialize in the NFL draft. Who else do

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 1>you like that maybe isn't catching that, you know, end

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:24.640
<v Speaker 1>of the first round buzz that kind of had a

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:26.520
<v Speaker 1>good workout and might have boosted their stock a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Rashad White out of Arizona State posted some really good numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>He he didn't have a sub four three, but he

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<v Speaker 1>had a sub four or five. Still a very very

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 1>good time for running back, great explosive drills. But I

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 1>don't really hear his name talked about a whole lot.

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 1>He's a guy that I think could get a little

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:43.400
<v Speaker 1>bit more puzz um. I guy that I don't I

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't really talk about before. And he didn't put up

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<v Speaker 1>an elite score. Um was tyle rology or from from

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 1>the y U. And the thing about his profile wasn't

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 1>that he had some elite profile, but he has a

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:57.719
<v Speaker 1>common profile that has worked out in the NFL. UM

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<v Speaker 1>he ran a four or six, which isn't we're impressive

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:02.440
<v Speaker 1>on its own, it's kind of kind of midground for

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<v Speaker 1>a running back, but he had a really good broad

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>jump and he's over to twenty. There aren't a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of running backs that have done that type of testing

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<v Speaker 1>that are about a four six, really good broad and

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<v Speaker 1>over to twenty. But the ones that have your Levian Bells,

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 1>your Montgomery's from the Bears, um C J. Anderson from

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 1>from a couple of years back. Those types of guys

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 1>have made it in the NFL and carved that a

0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:27.200
<v Speaker 1>pretty easy niche. And it's a fairly common profile amongst

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 1>successful backs. So he's a guy I might look out

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 1>for if you're not if you don't end up with

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:34.440
<v Speaker 1>an elite tier athlete. It's just a guy that fits

0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 1>a common NFL mold. Yeah, the running back position really

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 1>seems to be one of those where it's just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of about like your tape right, the way you run

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<v Speaker 1>the football and your vision and field and those are

0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:48.240
<v Speaker 1>very very difficult things to quantify. Kemp Platt here at

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<v Speaker 1>math bomb on Twitter r A S dot Football. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go ahead and take our last break and then

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<v Speaker 1>come back on the other side, talk about the receiver's

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a great resource, can't. I can't tell you

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<v Speaker 1>that enough, man, It's it's great talking to you here

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<v Speaker 1>as we do every March or February on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to pick it back up at the receiver

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<v Speaker 1>position here because this is a group where, shoot, we've

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<v Speaker 1>had these receiver classes the last few years. We're spoiled

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<v Speaker 1>as football fans that love you know, the high flying,

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:43.080
<v Speaker 1>you know the the the passing game that's just taken

0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 1>over to the NFL. And this class seems to have

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<v Speaker 1>some more of those guys. And I'm just curious who

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 1>those guys flew on was it Thursday night? Who really

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<v Speaker 1>stood out for you in those in those testing metrics

0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 1>at the combine. A lot of juice in this class.

0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Christian Watson that North Dakota State had a really good

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 1>senior and he came into the combine with a lot

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 1>of people talking about how he's already jumping up boards

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:06.000
<v Speaker 1>and if he if he just tests tests a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>well he might be able to continue that trend. And

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:11.240
<v Speaker 1>then he ran a four three six at six floor.

0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 1>That size speed profile is rare. You don't get a

0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:18.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of guys like that. Um, he's not as heavy

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>as Calvin Johnson was, but that's that type of number

0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 1>that that really tall, really fast type of type of

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 1>runner and he put those kind of things up. Also

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>extremely explosive. We had Crysal Lobby and just hadn't hyped

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 1>for some time. Out of Ohio State ran a sub

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 1>for four. UM also a really good, really good burner,

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:39.760
<v Speaker 1>has tons and tons of speed. And then Garrett Wilson

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.280
<v Speaker 1>from Ohio State also ran a sub four four and

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:44.600
<v Speaker 1>good explosion drills. You've got a lot of guys that

0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 1>can move in this draft class. Yeah, I mean, uh.

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 1>There was a point that where they were starting to

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of wonder like are these unofficial times, are they

0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:55.480
<v Speaker 1>doing any favors because everyone is just breaking records here,

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, flying down the track there at Indianapolis. A

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 1>couple of guys that wanted to circle back with And

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 1>forgive me for my my lack of knowledge here because

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:05.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm not quite sure if he got back in time

0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 1>off the injury. But did John Metchi participate He did not,

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 1>She didn't test. Um, I don't know whether he's going

0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:14.719
<v Speaker 1>to or not at Alabama's pro day. I've I've heard

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 1>yes and Iver no. My guests would be no. UM.

0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:20.799
<v Speaker 1>I tended to air on the side of guys who

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 1>were injured or coming back from injury, probably shouldn't test. Yeah,

0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 1>at the same thing with Jelen Waddle last year, right,

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 1>but we had the one of the new events they

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 1>have is the GPS tracking, and from what you know, Daniel,

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Jeremiah and scouts all said that this guy just blew

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:35.919
<v Speaker 1>the GPS out of the out of the building. Yeah,

0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:38.719
<v Speaker 1>and that's that's always a big deal because m COLD

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:41.120
<v Speaker 1>teams pay attention to this type of testing. But that

0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:43.080
<v Speaker 1>GPS stuff has been picking up and it's going to

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 1>continue to do so. I wish that we had access

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:47.840
<v Speaker 1>to right the public so that we could see a

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 1>lot more of whether whether that's good or not right,

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 1>because they can tell us that it's it's they ran

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:53.799
<v Speaker 1>a certain amount, but we don't know if that's good,

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 1>it's it's whatever they want to tell us. And that's

0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 1>what they told us last year, was that Jillen Waddle

0:34:57.760 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 1>was a freak in that way, and you can see

0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 1>it on ape. I mean, and just the way he

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:03.239
<v Speaker 1>moves as different the last guy I wanted to ask

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:05.120
<v Speaker 1>you about here because I was so fascinated to talk

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:06.800
<v Speaker 1>to him, and I just love this tape to a

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky there was Wan del Robinson, how did he perform

0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 1>in terms of R A S. He tested okay for

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:16.160
<v Speaker 1>R S UM kind of in the middle ground for

0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:19.400
<v Speaker 1>that part of that. And due to his size, Wandale

0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Robinson is not very big, um, but he's really fast.

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:25.560
<v Speaker 1>He ran a four four four again with as many

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:27.719
<v Speaker 1>guys that were running sub four four here, that's still

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 1>really really fast beginning. No one to lose sight that

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 1>that's still really fast. Um. I think the only thing

0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 1>that people are gonna have any concerns with Wondale coming

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:38.759
<v Speaker 1>in is his size. Kentucky kind of kind of made

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>it a little bit hard on him than harder on

0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:43.799
<v Speaker 1>him than they needed to because they listed him at

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:46.080
<v Speaker 1>five eleven and then he came in at five eight

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:49.239
<v Speaker 1>And that is no fault of his own right, but

0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:52.080
<v Speaker 1>that that gets people with those expectations. You know a

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:53.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of people talking about these players, and if you

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:55.480
<v Speaker 1>think he's gonna be one way and then they come

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:58.440
<v Speaker 1>out another, that's one thing you can jump on. But um,

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:00.840
<v Speaker 1>he's not a big dude, never looked big taste taste,

0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:02.839
<v Speaker 1>but he looked fast and he ran fast and that's

0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:05.360
<v Speaker 1>what's important. And the funny part about that too, is

0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 1>that he's a guy that carried the football and has

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>a running backs mentality when the footballs in his hands too,

0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 1>So that's it's interesting to see how that works. Another

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:15.439
<v Speaker 1>example of how sometimes the testing and what you see

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 1>doesn't always match what happens on tape. But again, the

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:20.880
<v Speaker 1>more resources we have, the more informed we are to

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 1>make these decisions. And we're not making decisions, but we

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 1>like to talk about it. So here we are, and uh,

0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:27.359
<v Speaker 1>let's go ahead and pivot nowt to the offensive line,

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:29.520
<v Speaker 1>and it just keeps going, man like. I mean, remember

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:31.840
<v Speaker 1>when McKay Beckton plays that forty r dash couple of

0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 1>years back, and everyone was buzzing about that, but it

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:36.359
<v Speaker 1>seems to be kind of that's just how it goes.

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:39.920
<v Speaker 1>You're your three pounds and you can freaking move in

0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:42.880
<v Speaker 1>today's NFL. So who really popped to you on the

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:46.320
<v Speaker 1>offensive line group? Yeah, one of my favorite prospects to

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:49.440
<v Speaker 1>look at after they tested the combine was Cool Strange

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:52.920
<v Speaker 1>at Chattanooga. Um I knew coming into the combine that

0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:55.919
<v Speaker 1>he was considered a very smart player, a very cerebral player,

0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 1>and that's extremely important when you're a center. Um I

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:00.719
<v Speaker 1>had hipreded out as a are but he came in

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:02.840
<v Speaker 1>as a nine point nine five. It's gonna be similar

0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:05.880
<v Speaker 1>to that at center, but I didn't expect him to

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 1>test out as athletic a superior as he did. In

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 1>addition to that, UM, it's already a huge thing if

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:14.960
<v Speaker 1>you're a smart center and intelligence center who can read

0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:18.520
<v Speaker 1>different coverages and adjust your blocking schemes and keep everybody

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 1>in the right spot. But if you add to that

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.600
<v Speaker 1>that you're also really athletic compared to your position group,

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:28.239
<v Speaker 1>that's extremely helpful. You know, the Lions drafted Frank ragg

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Now a few years ago a similar athletic profile, and

0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:33.440
<v Speaker 1>that's the type of guy you want to look for,

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 1>a guy that's really smart and cerebral and can also move. UM.

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:38.880
<v Speaker 1>He was the most impressive to me out of that

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:42.760
<v Speaker 1>offensive group. Zion Johnson, another guard out of Boston College,

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:46.240
<v Speaker 1>UM came in with that reputation of being a superior,

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:49.440
<v Speaker 1>a superior athlete, and then tested like it. It's one

0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:51.719
<v Speaker 1>of those checking the boxes types things you don't want

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:53.239
<v Speaker 1>to You don't want to count it twice and kind

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:55.120
<v Speaker 1>of move him up because he was a great athlete.

0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 1>But if he's a great athlete on tape and then

0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:00.320
<v Speaker 1>he checks those boxes, then you already know how he

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 1>looks on tape. That's how he is. That's what we're

0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:04.640
<v Speaker 1>looking at. UM. And I think he did a lot

0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 1>to really help himself at the combine. And that can

0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of start as a tiebreaker when when teams get

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:11.439
<v Speaker 1>into their their their war rooms and their draft board

0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:13.080
<v Speaker 1>and trying to figure out is this player the guy

0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:15.440
<v Speaker 1>would go with that guy? Those those little things you

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 1>check the boxes like you talk about, can be tiebreakers

0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:19.680
<v Speaker 1>in those events. How about off the outside, how about

0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 1>a tackle or a couple of tackles that really kind

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:24.160
<v Speaker 1>of blew you away. Yea. Trevor Penning and Bernard Raymon

0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 1>are two guys that are considered kind of mid to

0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 1>late first round guys and both of them tested extremely well. UM.

0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Trevor Penning had some high expectations. You know. Spencer Brown

0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 1>took that ten point over as spot last year when

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:37.399
<v Speaker 1>he came out, UM, and he has been the top

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 1>rated tackle athletically over the last thirty thirty six years, UM,

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 1>and Penning had that he had to try to follow that,

0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:47.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, UM, but he came out with a nine

0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 1>point nine six. I mean, that's not that's not too bad.

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:52.880
<v Speaker 1>That's that's at least making a free throw after you know,

0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Jordan dunks on somebody. But uh, you know it's he

0:38:56.960 --> 0:39:02.080
<v Speaker 1>ran a four eight nine at three pounds. Um, it wasn't.

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:05.480
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy that we're looking at that and like that

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:08.040
<v Speaker 1>wasn't the best performance from a guy that rent that

0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:11.400
<v Speaker 1>was three or greater because this combine was so bonkers.

0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 1>But that's still a ninety percentile forty yard dash for

0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:18.719
<v Speaker 1>a guy that is, you know, huge even for an

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:22.160
<v Speaker 1>offensive tackle. Offensive tackles are huge, and he's an even

0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:24.880
<v Speaker 1>bigger offensive tackle. I might need you to explain to me,

0:39:25.080 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Evan Neil, because not not the workout, just just kind

0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:30.799
<v Speaker 1>of making joking joking around here. But was it three

0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:33.440
<v Speaker 1>thirty seven? He wade? Where is it? Where is the

0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:34.920
<v Speaker 1>three three seven on that guy? Because that's how the

0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:38.920
<v Speaker 1>photo man he looks green, looks fantastic. I just it

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:40.880
<v Speaker 1>speaks to what we you talked about how this year

0:39:40.960 --> 0:39:43.279
<v Speaker 1>was totally bonkers. I think that picture kind of gave

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:45.840
<v Speaker 1>us some foreshouting for how this entire combine would go.

0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I want to finish up at the linebacker position here

0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:50.319
<v Speaker 1>with you can't real quick I know about Nakobe Dean,

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Devon Lloyd, two guys at the top of the draft.

0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 1>They're expected to go in that first round. But I've

0:39:54.719 --> 0:39:56.719
<v Speaker 1>heard this is a pretty deep linebacker class as well.

0:39:56.800 --> 0:40:00.040
<v Speaker 1>Who really popped to you at that position? Yeah, we

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 1>have Leo shanalat of Wisconsin who tested with the nine

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:06.080
<v Speaker 1>point nine nine and might even be better than that

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:09.359
<v Speaker 1>because he posted some some pretty crazy agility drills at

0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:12.000
<v Speaker 1>his protein. If those stand, he would take over the

0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:15.880
<v Speaker 1>top spot for linebackers. For rez Um, there wasn't a

0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:17.560
<v Speaker 1>whole lot of hype coming in from him. I have

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:20.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of hackers friends and they've been hyping him up.

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 1>But I kind you take that with a grain of salt,

0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:26.400
<v Speaker 1>but they were right on this one. Um. Troy Anderson

0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:27.799
<v Speaker 1>is a guy that I hadn't heard a whole lot

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:30.319
<v Speaker 1>about coming out of Montana State, but he also put

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:32.279
<v Speaker 1>up extremely good numbers. He around a four or four

0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:36.960
<v Speaker 1>two at linebacker, being ninth ninth percentiles. Percentile speed is

0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:40.799
<v Speaker 1>extremely important and in today's NFL you want a guy

0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:44.120
<v Speaker 1>that can move. And Chad Muma out of Wyoming was

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 1>a guy that really impressed me. Um. I knew he

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:48.919
<v Speaker 1>was going to run fast. He ran fast. He also

0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:51.800
<v Speaker 1>posted some of the best explosives numbers of the combine,

0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:56.279
<v Speaker 1>both both his FURST and his Broadway percentile position. So, yeah,

0:40:56.360 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 1>there you go. That that's I mean team speed. I saw.

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:01.560
<v Speaker 1>I think Key Brooks was tweeting about talking about the

0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:04.600
<v Speaker 1>movie six podcast about how teams speak can really can

0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:07.000
<v Speaker 1>erase mistakes that you make, and US seems to be

0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:09.479
<v Speaker 1>where these teams are getting faster and players are certainly

0:41:09.520 --> 0:41:11.520
<v Speaker 1>getting faster, and you have an option to get faster

0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 1>in this year's class as well. Before I let you go,

0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 1>can't just real quick? Was Jordan Davis the most impressive

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 1>workout of all time? It was the second most impressive

0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:23.759
<v Speaker 1>workout of all time, but the most impressive workout was

0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Kelvin Johnson. Kelvin Johnson's worst metric was his ten yards

0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:32.719
<v Speaker 1>split and it was ninety seventh percent. That was his

0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:36.600
<v Speaker 1>worst number. You're not gonna beat that. But the fact

0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:40.440
<v Speaker 1>that Jordan Davis was the second highest athletic test I

0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:45.000
<v Speaker 1>have in the entire database is pretty insane. Um, I

0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 1>think his worst one he had an eight percentile for

0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:52.200
<v Speaker 1>see not that was his worst metric, but you're talking

0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:57.320
<v Speaker 1>about a guy that six six and one pounds, the numbers,

0:41:57.719 --> 0:42:00.520
<v Speaker 1>the kind of athletic ability it takes to beat fast

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:05.279
<v Speaker 1>and that explosive at that size just blows me away. Um,

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:08.280
<v Speaker 1>it's the most impressive one that I've ever physically seen,

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:13.000
<v Speaker 1>because I didn't actually watch Calvin Johnson's combine. Um, It's

0:42:13.080 --> 0:42:16.279
<v Speaker 1>it's just insane. I can't I'm just laughing. It's it's

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 1>stupid to me, and it's it's just I love this stuff.

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:21.200
<v Speaker 1>And when when guys don't make a mockery out of it,

0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:22.879
<v Speaker 1>but they're just kind of like, oh yeah, I'll show

0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:24.360
<v Speaker 1>up and do this, it's like, all right, man, we

0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:26.960
<v Speaker 1>get it. You're you're You're not built like the rest

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.759
<v Speaker 1>of us. You're not the same species as at this point,

0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:32.759
<v Speaker 1>So kemp Platt at math bomb on Twitter, give him

0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:34.719
<v Speaker 1>a follow. R I S Dot Football again, one of

0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:37.640
<v Speaker 1>the most valuable draft resources are gonna find out there. Kent.

0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much again for your time. Like I said,

0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:42.400
<v Speaker 1>I used this all year round, and you guys check

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:44.439
<v Speaker 1>him out as well. Kent. Until next time, my friend,

0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:47.120
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for your time today. You have

0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:49.840
<v Speaker 1>a great one, and away, he goes. I love that

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:52.640
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0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:55.640
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0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:58.000
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