Speaker 1: What is up, Dolphins, and welcome to the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 1: I am your host, Travis Wingfield, and on today's show,
Speaker 1: we have a busy lineup for you guys. Here from
Speaker 1: the floor in Indianapolis at the scouting combine. I'm joined
Speaker 1: by a couple of heavy hitters on the Dolphins staff themselves,
Speaker 1: Joe Berry, Dolphins linebackers coach, who will be on the
Speaker 1: field for the linebacker workouts I believe on Friday, We're
Speaker 1: also going to talk to Matt Winston, Dolphins director of
Speaker 1: college scouting, and we'll close it up with the director
Speaker 1: of college scouting for your Miami Dolphins, Matt Winston. Also,
Speaker 1: NFLPA surveys out to Ron Armstead had a contract restructure,
Speaker 1: or rather a pay cut. We'll talk about all of
Speaker 1: that and more from the Indiana Convention Center in Indianapolis, Indiana, Indiana.
Speaker 2: Landman, this is.
Speaker 1: The Draft Time Podcast. So the Dolphins ranked number one
Speaker 1: again in the NFLPA survey, measuring basically the structure of
Speaker 1: the organization from a player's perspective and how much they
Speaker 1: like playing with the Miami Dolphins across the head coach,
Speaker 1: the training staff, the ownership, the meal rooms, which not
Speaker 1: every team provides three meals per day in the NFL,
Speaker 1: which is kind of crazy to me, with the Dolphins
Speaker 1: do it in top fashion each and every year, and
Speaker 1: that has earned them back to back slots among the
Speaker 1: top of this list here in twenty twenty five after
Speaker 1: last year excuse me in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Four as well. So good news all around.
Speaker 1: And the other news that kind of came across the
Speaker 1: wire here in Indianapolis was the big news regarding to
Speaker 1: Ron Armstead, who agreed to a contract. I don't know
Speaker 1: the term for it, not a restructure, but more of
Speaker 1: a reduction I guess if you will, and essentially what
Speaker 1: that's going to do, and we'll see what happens with Tron.
Speaker 1: It sounds like it's kind of the ball is in
Speaker 1: his court, but the Dolphins will not sit around and
Speaker 1: wait for him with his decision about what he wants
Speaker 1: to do long term in his future, especially with the
Speaker 1: emergence of left tackle Patrick Paul who could assume that
Speaker 1: role from really day one in the twenty twenty five offseason.
Speaker 1: But what Toron Armstead's contract reworking does is freeze up
Speaker 1: about seventeen million dollars in cap space. The Dolphins can
Speaker 1: be aggressive with and sign some players this offseason. And
Speaker 1: you know, given the nature of the NFL and all
Speaker 1: these one and two year deals and the void years
Speaker 1: and the back ends of contracts, there's a great opportunity
Speaker 1: for the Dolphins to kind of make a splash in
Speaker 1: free agency. And we've heard both Mike McDaniel and Chris
Speaker 1: Greer talk about the investment in the offensive line as
Speaker 1: something they're going to have to be a little bit
Speaker 1: more aggressive with this offseason. You guys have heard it
Speaker 1: on the podcast all along. This is a great chance
Speaker 1: to really attack that guard position in free agency and
Speaker 1: kind of mitigate the potential slow return of draft picks
Speaker 1: and trusting those guys to be early hits across your
Speaker 1: offensive line. So if Miami can find a way to
Speaker 1: get that guard position filled out before the draft, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you don't feel pressure to take a
Speaker 1: guard at thirteen, which you guys know, I don't agree
Speaker 1: with that sentiment at all, and you can find a
Speaker 1: way to maybe get more depth and development in the
Speaker 1: middle rounds of the draft across the offensive line. So
Speaker 1: that's kind of been the feature of the week. Of course,
Speaker 1: everybody wants to talk about that. But it's cool to
Speaker 1: hear the Dolphins really be more upfront about their intentions
Speaker 1: this year, which sounds like a very heavy investment across
Speaker 1: the offensive lines. So that's what I have for you
Speaker 1: guys here, additional seventeen million dollars and spending cash for
Speaker 1: Toron Armstead for that readjustment, and of course NFLPA survey
Speaker 1: putting Miami at number one once again.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and get to my guest. I have
Speaker 2: three today.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have guests for the next like five episodes
Speaker 1: of Drive Time, So buckle up. If you're sick of
Speaker 1: hearing my voice, that's a good thing for you. Let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and start here with linebackers coach and run
Speaker 1: game cordator Joe Berry. I was contemplating going with someone else.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go Joe Berry here off the top. Let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and get to my chat with Miami's linebackers coach.
Speaker 1: What's up Dolphins? Welcome back in the Dolphins HQ and
Speaker 1: the Draft Time podcast. My guest today is Dolphins linebackers
Speaker 1: coach and run game cordator Joe Berry coach.
Speaker 3: How we doing awesome?
Speaker 2: How was the first year in Miami for you.
Speaker 1: I know we talked to the bit about coming from
Speaker 1: green Bay down it's a weather's a little better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I imagine that was one of the big drawing factors
Speaker 1: for you to Miami.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It's definitely different in a great way.
Speaker 4: Though, wife and I live in Fort Lauderdale and love it.
Speaker 4: I remember when I the day I left Green Bay
Speaker 4: to come down to Fort Lauderdale, it was seventeen degrees
Speaker 4: and snowing in Appleton, Wisconsin, and we landed and it
Speaker 4: was eighty two degrees in sunny and in February last year.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's been great.
Speaker 4: The Dolphins, the area, everything about it's been It's it's
Speaker 4: been a great year so far.
Speaker 3: So got to keep it going, got it.
Speaker 4: Obviously the goal is always to improve, and the thing
Speaker 4: for us for coaches, the first part of the process,
Speaker 4: in the evaluation part of the draft is the combine.
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's you know, these scouts have been
Speaker 4: working on these guys all year. You know some of
Speaker 4: these kids they've been scouting for four years. You know,
Speaker 4: we start now as a coach. This is our first
Speaker 4: introduction to the player. So I look forward to the
Speaker 4: Combine every year just for that, just to kind of
Speaker 4: see the new batch of guys and just get acquainted
Speaker 4: with the draft eligible players.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had Matt Winston and Adam Ingraff on the
Speaker 1: show and they both went over like their schedule. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: so you guys are busy, busy this week here in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the weather, I have a really bad tam
Speaker 1: line where my sot goes from the golf I've been
Speaker 1: playing in January, which doesn't exist in Green Bay.
Speaker 2: No golf in January.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to show the camera here, but it
Speaker 1: is pretty bad this time of year with the tam
Speaker 1: lines that you get in South Florida.
Speaker 2: But I love it for that reason.
Speaker 1: Before we get into the Combine coverage, coach, I want
Speaker 1: to ask you about full transparency.
Speaker 2: I actually voted for Jordan Brooks for Team MVP.
Speaker 1: He was just barely beat out Zach Seiler on my ballot,
Speaker 1: which who cares, But I did vote for JB. I
Speaker 1: thought he was awesome this year. I just want to
Speaker 1: get your perspective. Well, it's like coaching a guy like
Speaker 1: that who's kind of quiet, reserve but also like a
Speaker 1: great leader.
Speaker 2: And then just a hell of a football player.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I personally have a have a pretty cool story
Speaker 4: with JB. You know, as I was talking about the
Speaker 4: draft process as as coaches, you really you fall in
Speaker 4: love with players in the draft, right, and really the
Speaker 4: likelihood of you being able to draft that player, I
Speaker 4: mean it's a it's a crapshoot. I mean, it's a
Speaker 4: very small percentage that your favorite guys as a position
Speaker 4: coach that you're actually going to get. But every year,
Speaker 4: you know, every single coach has his guy or his guys.
Speaker 4: And when Jordan was coming out, I was the assistant
Speaker 4: head coach and linebacker coach at the Rams, and I
Speaker 4: Jordan Brooks that draft class that he was my guy,
Speaker 4: and and we at the time at the Rams we
Speaker 4: were going to take a linebacker and that was my guy.
Speaker 3: I fell in love with him. I was like, he
Speaker 3: is our guy. We're going to get him and a
Speaker 3: division yeah he.
Speaker 4: Would yeah, I mean insult to injuries that not only
Speaker 4: did we not get him, he goes to our division.
Speaker 4: So so it was one of those things where I
Speaker 4: was like, God, dang it, I was I there was
Speaker 4: something about that kid I really I loved and I wanted.
Speaker 3: To coach him.
Speaker 4: Well you know, oh, well he goes to another team
Speaker 4: and keep it moving. Well five years later, It's just
Speaker 4: crazy how the world works. I end up on Miami,
Speaker 4: he ends up in Miami and unbelievable guy. Really, I
Speaker 4: think he really grew this year as as a I
Speaker 4: think he grew as a player, but I think he
Speaker 4: really grew as a leader. I think it was really
Speaker 4: cool for him. I don't even think that he realized
Speaker 4: that he had some of those qualities and just just
Speaker 4: a joy to be around. He's a true professional. He
Speaker 4: works his butt off every single day on the field,
Speaker 4: in the meeting room, just just does a phenomenal job
Speaker 4: and had a great year. And like I said, our
Speaker 4: goal is to improve on that and again, as well
Speaker 4: as he played in twenty four, we got to take
Speaker 4: that next step in twenty five.
Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like you maybe had a little bit
Speaker 1: of your whispers in the years of Anthony Weaver and
Speaker 1: and Chris Career with regards of bringing JB down here
Speaker 1: or down to South Florida. I should say, yeah, speaking
Speaker 1: of coach Weaver, I was convinced we were going to
Speaker 1: lose him this year because I think that's only our
Speaker 1: time before it happens for him as a head coach.
Speaker 1: And Mike McDaniel was talking yesterday a little bit about
Speaker 1: how like you don't really celebrate it because you.
Speaker 2: Want your friend to go, you know, do great things.
Speaker 1: But it's great for the Miami Dolphins to get that
Speaker 1: continuity back on defense, and obviously we've.
Speaker 2: Had a great first year here.
Speaker 1: Curious your experience with with coaching with Anthony Weaver and
Speaker 1: what he brought to the Dolphins last season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, unbelievable, unbelievable coach, unbelievable man, unbelievable person, what he's
Speaker 4: able to do just just the way. I think Weaves
Speaker 4: a phenomenal coach. But having been a former player, I
Speaker 4: think he's able to really connect with the guy, especially,
Speaker 4: you know, he's he's really special in front of the
Speaker 4: room with the guys. I would say that that's probably
Speaker 4: he has a bunch of superpowers, but that's probably his
Speaker 4: number one superpower. And it was just it's it's he's
Speaker 4: he's a blast to work with. He's a blast, blast
Speaker 4: to work for. I was one thousand percent shocked that
Speaker 4: he hasn't gotten the head job yet because he is
Speaker 4: worthy of it.
Speaker 3: He's totally ready for it.
Speaker 4: So you know it's it's the other thirty one teams
Speaker 4: missed out.
Speaker 3: Thank god Miami Dolphins still.
Speaker 4: Have him because he's uh, he's a he's a true
Speaker 4: like I said, not only a great coach, he's just
Speaker 4: a great man. And uh, you know what a what
Speaker 4: a great role model for all of our players you know,
Speaker 4: to be you know with Anthony Weaver every single day.
Speaker 1: Well I speak on behalf of all of our content team.
Speaker 1: That the way you guys interact with us around the building,
Speaker 1: weave yourself.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Coach Clark France has been there for a long time,
Speaker 1: Like you guys make us feel like we're we're just
Speaker 1: a big a part the teams everybody else. So it's
Speaker 1: always really appreciated for how you guys.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, we're all in this thing together.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, for sure. So you're going to be on
Speaker 1: the field this year doing some some on field drills.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to watch that. But before I ask you,
Speaker 1: my I have like eight million questions about how that
Speaker 1: process works. But I do want to just kind of
Speaker 1: touch base with you on the evolution of the linebacker position,
Speaker 1: because gone are the days of the two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty pound neck roll, you know, visor nose, noseguard wearing
Speaker 1: a thumper in there, and now it's all about two
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty, two hundred and forty pound guys that run,
Speaker 1: you know, four fourths. Tell me what you think about
Speaker 1: that and how this position has evolved.
Speaker 3: Well, it definitely has.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think football is constantly evolving, and you know,
Speaker 4: usually offense kinds of set sets the tone, you know,
Speaker 4: and offenses NFL offenses are constantly changing, you know, and
Speaker 4: like you said, you know, twenty years ago, it was
Speaker 4: a little bit more. You know, almost every offensive formation
Speaker 4: had a fullback lead blockers. So obviously the linebacker position
Speaker 4: a little bit bigger guys that had to take on
Speaker 4: a lot more blocks. Well, the offensive game has evolved,
Speaker 4: it's much more spread out.
Speaker 3: In the passing game.
Speaker 4: But then you look at the quarterbacks that are kind
Speaker 4: of becoming a trend, much more athletic guys that can
Speaker 4: really run. So obviously defenses had to evolve really every position,
Speaker 4: but the linebacker position as well, because as a linebacker,
Speaker 4: you still have to take on blocks, you still have
Speaker 4: to fit the run in a gaps, but you're also
Speaker 4: going to have to walk out on a slot receiver
Speaker 4: and match up with that guy.
Speaker 3: You're also going to drop into coverage and then.
Speaker 4: Have to go tackle an athletic quarterback. So the body
Speaker 4: types have really changed, I'd say really in the last
Speaker 4: ten years, but it's really taken on the last five
Speaker 4: years that if you can't run, it's hard to play
Speaker 4: the game of football if you can't run and are
Speaker 4: athletic and have agility and athletic movement skills. And the
Speaker 4: linebacker position is definitely that because it's unique in the
Speaker 4: sense that you gotta be able to be big enough
Speaker 4: and physical enough to take on a three hundred pound guard,
Speaker 4: but then you also have to be athletic enough to
Speaker 4: go out and cover a slot receiver. So that's why
Speaker 4: he speaks and that's why again, that's what makes a
Speaker 4: guy like Jordan Brooks special is that he is two
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty five pounds. He's physical enough to take
Speaker 4: on in the run game. But Jordan I can't remember
Speaker 4: off the top of my head what he ran here.
Speaker 4: But you know, Jordan was before the draft, you know,
Speaker 4: he was kind of being talked about as like a
Speaker 4: second or third round He performed so well here at
Speaker 4: the combine, it jumped him into the first round. So
Speaker 4: that's always a big storyline here at the draft is
Speaker 4: guys that have unbelievable combines.
Speaker 3: It really improves their stock.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it was a Niner game.
Speaker 1: He like blitz the big app and went and knocked
Speaker 1: the running back on his button and sacked the quarterback.
Speaker 1: And then a few plays there he's playing twenty yards
Speaker 1: deep in the hooks on covering downfield.
Speaker 4: Like great example of you know, you gotta be able
Speaker 4: to run to play, even even at linebacker. You got
Speaker 4: to be able to run and you got to be athletic.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, you got to be big enough,
Speaker 4: strong enough, physical enough to do all the things that
Speaker 4: we're asked to do in the run game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tough ask lot to do for those guys. So
Speaker 1: when it comes to the on field drills, the best
Speaker 1: tool in the football universe, in my opinion, is the
Speaker 1: football on a stick.
Speaker 2: What a great tool that that invention was. Do you
Speaker 2: get to use that it all this week?
Speaker 3: Or I I hate the football on a stick. It's
Speaker 3: just it's just so lazy.
Speaker 4: You get your butt on a knee, get your hand
Speaker 4: down and physically snapped.
Speaker 2: I learned something today that I like that.
Speaker 3: No, you will never see me use a football stick. Good.
Speaker 1: No, I'm never going to say that again. Then I'm
Speaker 1: going to call it the best tool in the universe.
Speaker 1: When you are running those drills, what are you looking
Speaker 1: for guys in terms of just how they move?
Speaker 2: But what's what's the primary focus out there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know I think the I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 4: I'm old school in the sense that I think when
Speaker 4: evaluating players, the number one thing is their film, their
Speaker 4: game film.
Speaker 3: You know this. You can get a lot of things
Speaker 3: from what we're doing here.
Speaker 4: At the combine with the interviews that we get to
Speaker 4: do that we get to conduct at night with the guys.
Speaker 4: You can see some athletic movement skills. You can see
Speaker 4: just raw speed with the forty. But I'm a firm
Speaker 4: believer a player is going to be I evaluate players
Speaker 4: solely on how they play football when I watch them
Speaker 4: on film. But the thing that is cool here is that,
Speaker 4: you know, we have twenty nine inside linebackers here, which
Speaker 4: you would like to think these are the twenty nine
Speaker 4: best inside linebackers in college football.
Speaker 3: They're all here.
Speaker 4: Hopefully they all work out, so then you can kind
Speaker 4: of compare guys especially you know, we do six drills,
Speaker 4: and most of those drills to see linebacker specific movements,
Speaker 4: skilled movements that they are asked to do when they
Speaker 4: play the game. So some of the drills maybe don't
Speaker 4: totally you know, correlate to the game, to what we
Speaker 4: ask guys to do when they when the ball snapped
Speaker 4: in a game. But we try to get you know,
Speaker 4: realistic drills that are the closest thing to playing football
Speaker 4: and to get all twenty nine of those guys doing it,
Speaker 4: and then you can kind of compare, you know, oh,
Speaker 4: this guy really does this drill well compared to this.
Speaker 4: So it's it's it's an evaluation tool that I think.
Speaker 4: Like I said, it's it's the early stages for us
Speaker 4: to get introduced to these players and it's the fun
Speaker 4: part of the process and it's only the beginning of
Speaker 4: the process for us.
Speaker 1: It's like that that gauntlet Joe for receivers, Right, you
Speaker 1: catch the ball and then you throw on the ground,
Speaker 1: Like no coach wants you to catch.
Speaker 2: The ball and put it on the ground after he
Speaker 2: does it.
Speaker 4: So it's yeah, great example, You're like whin's the receiver,
Speaker 4: We're going to touch the ball and then.
Speaker 2: Drop us out, So literally never, hopefully never.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So you talk about being a tape guy.
Speaker 1: Also fancy myself, but of a tape guy, I prefer
Speaker 1: watching that, Like when I'm watching training camp practice. It's
Speaker 1: so much easier to evaluate when I can go back
Speaker 1: and watch the film over versus being there live. How
Speaker 1: does how is it different for you being on the
Speaker 1: field compared to being, you know, in your office watching tape, Like,
Speaker 1: is there a pretty substantial difference.
Speaker 3: There being on the field for the drill? Sure? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it's it's just a.
Speaker 4: The Even here at the combine, we have such a
Speaker 4: limited access to the players. We get a fifteen minute
Speaker 4: interview with the guys, that's it. And to truly find
Speaker 4: out about a guy in fifteen minutes, it's hard. Now
Speaker 4: when we go back, we'll be able to do zoom
Speaker 4: meetings and stuff with guys and dig a little bit deeper.
Speaker 4: But the thing that I personally like about being on
Speaker 4: the field, I'm able to be around those guys on
Speaker 4: the field in a competitive situation, see how they tick,
Speaker 4: kind of see how they they prep to get ready
Speaker 4: for the workout. You know that we got a little
Speaker 4: bit of downtime down there, I'll be able to walk
Speaker 4: over to a guy and steal a little bit more
Speaker 4: time individually with him talking to him. So it's just personally,
Speaker 4: I like and they limit. You know, there's only six
Speaker 4: or seven coaches that are able to be down there,
Speaker 4: So I just think it's a great tool to be
Speaker 4: able to use just to be around those players a
Speaker 4: little bit more. And you know, the vetting process is
Speaker 4: constant until you know we draft, so's it's just another
Speaker 4: opportunity to be able to run to be around these
Speaker 4: players one more time.
Speaker 3: Really, one on.
Speaker 2: One competition is always a great thing, right compete.
Speaker 1: Dolphins linebacker coach and run game cordinator Joe Berry coach,
Speaker 1: we appreciate time today, man, Thank.
Speaker 3: You so much, absolutely thank you.
Speaker 1: So there he goes. Dolphins linebackers coach Joe Barry. You
Speaker 1: can find him on the field on drill for the
Speaker 1: drills on Thursday night working out these inside linebackers.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and pause for a quick break.
Speaker 1: Come back on the other side and catch up with
Speaker 1: Marcel Luis Jack who wrote the great article on ESPN
Speaker 1: detailing Mike McDaniel's time as a player at Yale and
Speaker 1: how it helped him become a better coach at this
Speaker 1: stage of his career. That's all next Draft Time podcast,
Speaker 1: your host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation.
Speaker 2: So we spoke to coach.
Speaker 1: McDaniel earlier in the week about the great story written
Speaker 1: by ESPN's Marcel Louis Jack, and I am joined now
Speaker 1: today by ESPN's Marcel Louis Jack to talk about that
Speaker 1: great story you penned up on ESPN. Marcel, first of off,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. And what's what was the inspiration
Speaker 1: behind that story?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, with with Mike, I feel like he's
Speaker 5: been kind of everybody like a media darling these past
Speaker 5: four years, and there aren't a ton of stories about
Speaker 5: him that haven't been told or written or this and that.
Speaker 5: But I was just thinking, like, man, I don't know
Speaker 5: a whole lot about how he what his Yale experience was, like,
Speaker 5: who he was, like, what kind of player was he?
Speaker 3: Like? I knew almost nothing about it.
Speaker 5: So, you know, it started with kind of like a
Speaker 5: I don't want to call it a hail Mary, but
Speaker 5: for all intensive purposes, a hail Mary interview requests to
Speaker 5: Chandler Henley like, hey man.
Speaker 3: And like, I know, like assistant.
Speaker 5: Coaches don't usually do this a lot, but you know,
Speaker 5: I'm really interested in how you two, like what you
Speaker 5: you noticed about Mike, like how he grew as a coach, this, that,
Speaker 5: and the third.
Speaker 3: And he agreed to it. Dude.
Speaker 5: We talked for like forty five ish minutes, give or take.
Speaker 5: He was so insightful. It was like one of the
Speaker 5: first times, if not the first time we'd ever met
Speaker 5: face to face. He gave me some wedding advice too.
Speaker 5: You know, Haley and I get married and you know
Speaker 5: March ninth, now, so I it was like this last summer.
Speaker 5: I was like, dude, I can use all the advice
Speaker 5: I can get. And from there he gave me a
Speaker 5: few more names, a few more players, you know, called
Speaker 5: some sources of you know called went through the Rolodex
Speaker 5: and just really got to learn about this one hundred
Speaker 5: and forty five pound walk on who could do the
Speaker 5: Nordic curls glute raises all day long in the gym.
Speaker 5: I was like, do you gotta you gotta run that
Speaker 5: back from me again, Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 3: Beast in the weight room, man, Like.
Speaker 1: That's that's what I'm trying to figure out because as
Speaker 1: a fellow small build gentleman that has a lot of
Speaker 1: hard times, I was telling these guys, the video team
Speaker 1: and producer here that, like, I was a pretty good
Speaker 1: ball player baseball player in high school in theo college,
Speaker 1: but they always said, like, you're too small, Like I know,
Speaker 1: trust me, I'm aware of that. And so it was
Speaker 1: like peanut butter and jellies, but I couldn't put the
Speaker 1: weight on. And Mike is built like me, so I
Speaker 1: have a hard time seeing him carry one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty pounds.
Speaker 3: Right, Like, I don't know how he did it.
Speaker 5: He said six days a week, man, Like I should
Speaker 5: have asked for the nutrition and diet because I know
Speaker 5: that's got to be a big part of it. But like,
Speaker 5: I think a lot of it is just that, like
Speaker 5: he really he really wanted to play like that was
Speaker 5: the that was the most surprising takeaway for me, Like,
Speaker 5: because my basic understanding of him as a walk on
Speaker 5: was like he understand he understood I'm a walk on,
Speaker 5: I'm probably not gonna play like I'm just I'm on
Speaker 5: the team.
Speaker 3: Like, no talking to him he wanted.
Speaker 5: To play and he thought he could play, so he
Speaker 5: was doing everything he could to make sure, like to
Speaker 5: clear path for him to get on the field. Whither
Speaker 5: that was getting his weight up, like getting his routes crispy,
Speaker 5: which I'm told he was one of, if not the
Speaker 5: best route runner on that team. Man, that's that one.
Speaker 5: I believe, you know, the iver seen impact. I believe that.
Speaker 5: And then also just like making sure everybody around him
Speaker 5: is better and like on demonstrating his knowledge of the playbook.
Speaker 5: So like he wanted to play, it just became apparent
Speaker 5: to him physically that it probably wasn't gonna happen. But
Speaker 5: considering that that big watch on his wrist and that
Speaker 5: five year extension, you just I think he's doing all right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: There's there's two elements that come from that story that
Speaker 1: like are obvious with how he is now number one.
Speaker 1: The swag because he looks like a Madden Creative player
Speaker 1: from like the Madden eight era, like straight out of
Speaker 1: the Creative Player portal where you have on that side
Speaker 1: you can choose like an accessory for your wrist, for
Speaker 1: your elbow, like for like your calf, and he literally
Speaker 1: had the marketing ripped out complete, You ripped on every
Speaker 1: single part of the uniform that you could have. And
Speaker 1: then also the part that I loved about the story
Speaker 1: the most obviously and why I wanted to have you
Speaker 1: come talk to me, was the insane drills that he
Speaker 1: would cook up and like I have the stupid story, Marcel.
Speaker 1: So I was the same way as a kid like
Speaker 1: I just all I cared about was sports, trying to
Speaker 1: get my backyard and find any way to get better
Speaker 1: at a sport than I could. And I'll never forget,
Speaker 1: you know, my house was the house that all the
Speaker 1: kids came to in the neighborhood, and we'd have sleepovers.
Speaker 1: We'd be to be up until two o'clock in the
Speaker 1: morning playing like boofle ball in the backyard. I'll never
Speaker 1: forget one night we set up all night and we
Speaker 1: timed ourselves running out of the batter's box from the
Speaker 1: left handed side and the right handed side and just
Speaker 1: did this for hours. And that's what I connected with
Speaker 1: and the story because coach was putting Chandler Henley, who
Speaker 1: was a star on that team and was producing through
Speaker 1: all these crazy drills and it ended up resulting in
Speaker 1: like a game winning catch through one of the drills
Speaker 1: that he put him.
Speaker 5: Through exactly, and it was like it didn't make sense
Speaker 5: at the time to a lot of people. Cohen told
Speaker 5: me like he just remembers walking by them after practice
Speaker 5: and he'd be seeing, you know, Chandler laying down on
Speaker 5: the ground and like making one handed grabs and like
Speaker 5: catches on the ground and.
Speaker 3: It's like, what do you guys is that? What are
Speaker 3: you ever going to use that?
Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden, you know, they're playing
Speaker 5: I believe it was Princeton, and you know, six seconds
Speaker 5: left in the game, he's locked in one of the
Speaker 5: end zone to Chandler Hanley, he makes this twirling toe tap,
Speaker 5: you know, full extended catch and he's like, oh, actually
Speaker 5: I see the vision.
Speaker 3: I see the vision. But it's not even just that.
Speaker 5: It was you know, the slow motion walk throughs every
Speaker 5: Friday where they're like literally talking like that and moving
Speaker 5: slow and then they do it in reverse. Like I
Speaker 5: texted Mike about that. I was like, dude, because he
Speaker 5: didn't tell me that Alvin told him. I was like,
Speaker 5: did you guys usually do this? He just laughed. He
Speaker 5: was like, oh, shoot, man, yeah, I almost forgot about
Speaker 5: that like we did that. And then there's even like
Speaker 5: Chandler standing still, Mike running circles around him and just
Speaker 5: throwing darts at him and having him catch everything just
Speaker 5: to get his eyes trained. And Chandler said, like it
Speaker 5: was more than just the drill itself, like it was
Speaker 5: also like a mental workout, and it helped take his
Speaker 5: mind off of the nerves of that pregame experience and
Speaker 5: had him focus on something else, like a teammate doing
Speaker 5: laps around him, pelting him with the ball.
Speaker 3: Everything he did kind of had purpose.
Speaker 5: There's also this they were in the drop step drill,
Speaker 5: which is something I understand they still do with the
Speaker 5: Dolphins to this day, where he noticed that former Bronco's
Speaker 5: receiver Rod Smith, anytime he would catch a ball on
Speaker 5: a comeback, like he would essentially get it and drop
Speaker 5: step to make sure he gets as much exactly, And
Speaker 5: that's exacts what he's teaching these receivers to this day,
Speaker 5: Like you don't need to dance, you don't need to
Speaker 5: do that full turnaround, you're losing all your momentum, Like
Speaker 5: keep your weight, keep your momentum, and get those extra
Speaker 5: yards as many as you can.
Speaker 3: Everything doesn't have to be a home run.
Speaker 5: So like writing this story and researching this story, it
Speaker 5: just taught me a lot about like where his origins
Speaker 5: came from, where his coaching origins came from. It came
Speaker 5: out a time where he wasn't really even trying to
Speaker 5: coach at Hall, he was trying to play.
Speaker 2: And it translates over perfectly.
Speaker 1: And when you come out to camp, you can see
Speaker 1: them go through that drill that drops that drill. You'll
Speaker 1: see it every time, the way they want to split
Speaker 1: the defenders and just get to daylight upfill as fast
Speaker 1: as you can. It's a big coaching point in the system.
Speaker 1: Last question for you here, Marcel, because I'm just curious.
Speaker 1: To do a project like this, you do have to
Speaker 1: get some some in depth research, and I think typically
Speaker 1: when you do something like this is in our position
Speaker 1: as reporters and you know, journalists, you kind of come
Speaker 1: away with a maybe different perspective. I'm curious if that
Speaker 1: was the case for you with Coach and maybe what
Speaker 1: that new perspective might be for him.
Speaker 5: But again, like I just didn't I didn't know. I
Speaker 5: didn't know that he really wanted to play, like he
Speaker 5: was a serious player, and like that's no disrespect to him,
Speaker 5: But like I think that logically speaking, whenever you if
Speaker 5: you walk onto a program, like you kind of know
Speaker 5: at the time, like you know what it is. And like,
Speaker 5: based on my interview, he was the last interview I did,
Speaker 5: by the way, so like I didn't know that that's
Speaker 5: actually what he wanted until I talked to him. So
Speaker 5: like that tells me a little something about himself, is that,
Speaker 5: like he was frustrated by not playing, Like he was
Speaker 5: not happy that he wasn't playing. He wasn't gonna quit,
Speaker 5: but like he's frustrated. He wants to compete. Nobody else
Speaker 5: knew that, man, Like none of his teammates knew when
Speaker 5: I told.
Speaker 3: Like I talked to Alvin.
Speaker 5: Actually I talked to Alvin after I talked to Mike,
Speaker 5: And when I said that to him, he was like, dude,
Speaker 5: that's the first I've ever heard of it. Like if
Speaker 5: he was frustrated that it's news to me, And like
Speaker 5: that's the kind of guy. That's the kind of motivated,
Speaker 5: you know, motivation he can build within himself. Is that
Speaker 5: you know, I don't I don't want to quit. I'm
Speaker 5: not going to vocalize my internal frustrations. I'm just going
Speaker 5: to keep working, and like, I think you need that
Speaker 5: in a league like the NFL that's so up and
Speaker 5: down and the valleys can be so damn low sometimes,
Speaker 5: Like I think that's a big for him. And you know,
Speaker 5: in terms of a leader, I've always believed that he
Speaker 5: is a leader. You know, people, if you don't know Mike,
Speaker 5: Like if you if you just see him and you
Speaker 5: see the interviews, you might think, like, how is this
Speaker 5: guy going to lead a group of men? Like this
Speaker 5: is corny? You know, everybody's going to see through it.
Speaker 5: I really don't think that's the case. I think he
Speaker 5: is a good leader. I think like he is a
Speaker 5: leader of men, and that comes in all kind of
Speaker 5: shapes and sizes.
Speaker 1: It's funny because he I don't know if he chooses
Speaker 1: two of his how he is, but he presents a
Speaker 1: certain way and that that part maybe gets a little
Speaker 1: bit hidden. But yeah, when you dig a little bit deeper,
Speaker 1: you do find the hidden gems that make him who
Speaker 1: he is. And and to your point, like in the league,
Speaker 1: that can kind of you know, fall victim to group
Speaker 1: think or you know, maybe it's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a formulaic approach to like press conferences and answers and
Speaker 1: how we present ourselves. Like to me, Mike's a breath
Speaker 1: of fresh air and I have nothing but the highest
Speaker 1: respect for him and hope that he's here for a
Speaker 1: long long time. So Marcelle, appreciate your time today.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: What else you work on? What's coming up? What can
Speaker 1: the fans look forward to on ESPN?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: Man, Like, we got a long offseason ahead of us.
Speaker 5: You know, the Dolphins beat Dolphins team, there's gonna be
Speaker 5: a lot of ross to turn over here. They need
Speaker 5: a kind of a cultural reset. So it'll be kind
Speaker 5: of chronicling that adventure. And I'm very interested in that
Speaker 5: running back room. I asked Mike about that at the
Speaker 5: podium today. I think, you know, Devon h Chan all
Speaker 5: the talent in the world, I don't know that he's that,
Speaker 5: you know, twenty twenty five touch a game kind of guy,
Speaker 5: and we haven't seen that from Jalen right yet. Luckily,
Speaker 5: this is a super deep running back class. At basically
Speaker 5: any round you can get a guy who you know
Speaker 5: might will probably fit your scheme. Manchester, if they go
Speaker 5: there or do they swing for the fences? Do they
Speaker 5: do they go get a big feature back like a
Speaker 5: Naji hair Do they try to get like a Aaron
Speaker 5: Jones who you know, maybe they're not gonna go for
Speaker 5: fifteen sixteen hundred yards, but they can run between the tackles.
Speaker 5: They can be that physical back that currently they do
Speaker 5: not have. So I'm very interested in seeing their transformation
Speaker 5: in the backfield, on the offensive line and the defensive backfield.
Speaker 5: There's just we're gonna see a whole new Miami Dolphins
Speaker 5: team in twenty twenty five personnel from a personnel perspective,
Speaker 5: So kind of looking forward to just covering that. And honestly, man,
Speaker 5: like I said, I'm getting married on March to night,
Speaker 5: so I'm gonna turn my brain off for about, you know,
Speaker 5: a week or so after we get back from here.
Speaker 5: I'm a full time wedding planner. And then we're gonna
Speaker 5: come back right before the draft and we're gonna get active.
Speaker 1: He does have a twelve day countdown is on from today,
Speaker 1: but by the time this podcast comes out, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be shorter, so I won't I won't find out what
Speaker 1: day it is until we get this podcast out. But
Speaker 1: Marcel appreciate your time.
Speaker 2: Today. Man, thanks as always into We'll see you around
Speaker 2: here soon.
Speaker 3: I'm sure absolutely, Man, thanks for having me and.
Speaker 1: Away he goes one more break on this episode and
Speaker 1: come back with Dolphins Director of College Scouting Matt Winston.
Speaker 1: That's next Draft Time Podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought
Speaker 1: to you by Auto Nation. What's Up Dolphins, and welcome
Speaker 1: back into another special edition of Dolphins HQ, as well
Speaker 1: as the Draft Time Podcast. Here on the floor in
Speaker 1: the Indiana Convention Center for the Scouting Combine twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: and today I'm joined by a special guest, Director of
Speaker 1: College Scouting, Matt Winston. Matt, welcome back in man, first
Speaker 1: time on the show here in.
Speaker 2: A couple of years. Great to be here, Happy to
Speaker 2: have you in.
Speaker 1: So first off, I want to just kind of get
Speaker 1: a little bit of a background on your career in general.
Speaker 1: How did you first get into scouting?
Speaker 3: A number of years ago.
Speaker 6: I was actually working at the University of Miami and
Speaker 6: their recruiting and operations department, and you know, just befriended,
Speaker 6: befriended a few scouts that were coming through there at
Speaker 6: the time, had quite a few NFL players perspective. NFL
Speaker 6: players there, and you know, just like any other industry
Speaker 6: is just networking, and you know, kind of get your
Speaker 6: foot in the door with an internship for training camp
Speaker 6: and then you know, hopefully you do a good enough
Speaker 6: job and they kind of call you back and you
Speaker 6: get a year long internship. And funny enough, actually worked
Speaker 6: for Chris Greer's dad in Houston, where I interned initially
Speaker 6: before before moving over the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: So we do some amateur scouting on the show here
Speaker 1: where I talk about prospects and stuff.
Speaker 2: Nothing to the level you guys do.
Speaker 1: But I think I would imagine if there are fans
Speaker 1: interested in a career in scouting, they would be listening
Speaker 1: to Drive Time. So what what would you say, like
Speaker 1: a scout would do to differentiate themselves to make their
Speaker 1: way up the ladder in scouting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean compared to when I was coming up,
Speaker 6: there's so many more avenues now to watch film, right
Speaker 6: just just with YouTube and all the other platforms out there.
Speaker 6: So I think people can take it upon themselves, uh
Speaker 6: to kind of watch film, do the work, you know,
Speaker 6: start writing your own reports, start finding your own voice
Speaker 6: as as a scout, and then you know, there's there's
Speaker 6: colleges everywhere that are expanding their recruiting and scouting operations.
Speaker 6: Staffs go to your local local college and volunteer a
Speaker 6: worst case or or apply for a job and try
Speaker 6: to get your foot in the door and get some experience.
Speaker 6: At the end of the day, you know, with with
Speaker 6: our when we're looking for a scouting assistant, which is
Speaker 6: basically like our internship program, you know, we're probably not
Speaker 6: going to hire somebody if they haven't worked at a
Speaker 6: major college college or professional scouting platform in some In
Speaker 6: some respect, you've got.
Speaker 1: To find what to get your ten thousand hours and
Speaker 1: right it's all about reps for any profession you choose.
Speaker 1: So as far as the glamorous scouting, we all get
Speaker 1: to see, like, oh, they get to go to these
Speaker 1: colleges and watch these big time college football games, but
Speaker 1: there's also some behind the scenes that maybe isn't as glamorous.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious about the life of a scout because
Speaker 1: you guys have expansive, you know, multiple seasons that you
Speaker 1: cover different areas of you know, team meetings with the
Speaker 1: other scouts, and they're also on the road a lot
Speaker 1: of the time. So what does it look like for
Speaker 1: you at various times. You let's go ahead and start
Speaker 1: with Indianapolis. What's it look like for you this week
Speaker 1: here at the scouting Combine?
Speaker 6: Yeah, this week, So this week is like the first
Speaker 6: first real touch point for a lot of the non
Speaker 6: all starting game guys where we actually get to meet
Speaker 6: them for the first time. You know, we've been doing
Speaker 6: all our research all fall, talking to everybody that has
Speaker 6: been involved in their lives, from their coaches to their
Speaker 6: strength coaches, to the trainers, academic people whoever might touch
Speaker 6: their lives, but we don't ever get to actually talk
Speaker 6: to them. So this is really the first time we
Speaker 6: got we get to actually talk to them. Compare our
Speaker 6: notes to kind of what our first interactions are with them,
Speaker 6: and it's it's usually just a quick fifteen to thirty
Speaker 6: minute interaction and in the formal cases, but it kind
Speaker 6: of is the jumping off point to our relationship with
Speaker 6: them and building that character profile for the for the
Speaker 6: rest of the spring here as we lead them to
Speaker 6: the draft.
Speaker 1: Can you think of a time where a guy came
Speaker 1: into the room when you guys were doing your your
Speaker 1: interview with them and it was like by the fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes You're like, that looks like a Miami dolphin to me,
Speaker 1: and then he became a dolphin. Do you have like
Speaker 1: a certain story where that maybe happened or maybe part
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 6: Probably I don't want to get into specifics in terms
Speaker 6: of names, but there there are guys, and those are
Speaker 6: the easy ones, right because you kind of have an
Speaker 6: idea from your fall research of what it's going to
Speaker 6: look like through your trusted sources and everything like that
Speaker 6: that you know, you know that it's a it's a
Speaker 6: pretty cut and dry character evaluation at least, and and
Speaker 6: you know there's a lot of there's a lot of
Speaker 6: players that check the box on the on the eve
Speaker 6: out side already as well.
Speaker 3: So I don't really want to get.
Speaker 6: Into specific sea for sure that but but yeah, there's
Speaker 6: there's definitely those guys.
Speaker 3: I mean, we had a few last night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it happens, right, Yeah, Yeah, you're gonna find great
Speaker 1: characters and any crop like that. So what about after
Speaker 1: this week wraps, when you when you get downe in Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: I imagine the tape work is mostly done. You go
Speaker 1: back for checks after they work out, right, to kind
Speaker 1: of reverify what you saw on tape, But what does
Speaker 1: it look like from a collaboration standpoint once this week
Speaker 1: wraps and you guys get ready for the big night
Speaker 1: in April.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, So now you know, at this point in
Speaker 6: the process is when our coach is gonna finally start
Speaker 6: getting involved because they're kind of finishing their season, their
Speaker 6: season long end of season ev ols themselves free agency.
Speaker 6: Those evls are kind of coming to an end because
Speaker 6: free agency is about to start here in a few weeks.
Speaker 6: So now they can kind of dive into the college process.
Speaker 6: We can get their take on how they view the
Speaker 6: prospects and kind of combine that with ours and have
Speaker 6: some good discussions and we try to cluster guys in
Speaker 6: terms of in tier guys out from a you know,
Speaker 6: from around or a skill level standpoint, and really kind
Speaker 6: of work from that point down with the coaches and
Speaker 6: come do come to an agreement just in terms of
Speaker 6: of who fits best for the Dolphins and who will
Speaker 6: fit best going forward for for how we operate.
Speaker 2: Sure, how about Draft night?
Speaker 1: Is it it's it's kind of like a culmination of
Speaker 1: a whole year's worth of work. But is it stressful?
Speaker 1: Is it more of a celebration? Like, what is draft
Speaker 1: night like for you guys.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's really you know, all the work's kind of
Speaker 6: done by that, you know, the Hayes and the Barn
Speaker 6: You've had your your scenario discussions already in the weeks
Speaker 6: and months kind of leading up to that. So really
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, that's when you kind
Speaker 6: of take a step back. You let Chris and Mike
Speaker 6: kind of guide guide the guide, the discussion guide if
Speaker 6: they need if they need more input, you know, that's
Speaker 6: that's the time when we're gonna step in and give
Speaker 6: our input as Chris and Mike want that input and
Speaker 6: they and they definitely ask every year. But you also
Speaker 6: don't want to mondy the water waters because that's really
Speaker 6: not the time. That's the time when Chris and Mike
Speaker 6: need to make their decisions for the direction of the franchise.
Speaker 2: And then you're just kind of there for support.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, We're we're there to to consult and provide, provide
Speaker 6: if they need some more you know, background information, just
Speaker 6: to reverify kind of what discussions we've had. You know,
Speaker 6: that's that's where that's where we're just in terms of
Speaker 6: providing that support.
Speaker 1: And I can tell the fans for sure. Nobody provides
Speaker 1: food services at Draft matt like the Miami Dolphins do.
Speaker 1: Those spreads are pretty incredible, so we get a chance
Speaker 1: to dive into those every single April. How about after that,
Speaker 1: so I know, hopefully you get little bit of time
Speaker 1: off once the draft raft maybe you're doing the whole
Speaker 1: UDFA process, but once you kind of you know, settle
Speaker 1: back in for the twenty twenty sixth class, you go
Speaker 1: on the road in August and September, Like, how is
Speaker 1: that part of your look for?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so the summers spent you know, you're kind of recharging,
Speaker 6: but you're also you know, spending your time, you know,
Speaker 6: getting acclimated to the guys for next year, and you
Speaker 6: can split up your days have kind of however you
Speaker 6: need to in the fall as you get to revisit
Speaker 6: your family again after after a long season, you know.
Speaker 6: So so, yeah, you've spent your your your summers basically
Speaker 6: kind of doing some prep work, getting kind of the
Speaker 6: you know, thirty thousand foot view of kind of what
Speaker 6: what the top eyes for next year are going to
Speaker 6: look like. And then and then August you start the
Speaker 6: whole cycle over again, where you know, August you're you're
Speaker 6: starting to get the character background really heavy more than
Speaker 6: the because you kind of already have an idea of
Speaker 6: who the players are from a from a tiered standpoint.
Speaker 6: It's a little different now these last few years with
Speaker 6: the transfer portal, guys are moving around quite a bit,
Speaker 6: so there's a lot of cross communication going on. If
Speaker 6: you have a guy that went from the northeast to
Speaker 6: the country to the southwest of the country, so scouts
Speaker 6: are having to communicate compare stories. You know, you might
Speaker 6: be like an Arizona State and a kid transferred from
Speaker 6: like a Purdue, So the scouts that those are two
Speaker 6: different area scouts and they're going to have to try
Speaker 6: to talk to the staffs at those different schools, uh
Speaker 6: to compare notes because the new school is only going
Speaker 6: to know the kid for a few months, where the
Speaker 6: previous school might have years of experience with them. And
Speaker 6: and it's a it's a it's a process. And that's
Speaker 6: been a change for us over the last few years
Speaker 6: with the transfer portal and having to piece together a
Speaker 6: character more than you used to. So it's it's a
Speaker 6: it's it's always in evolving and ever changing and dynamic process.
Speaker 6: More than anything, just trying to try to piece together
Speaker 6: the inaccurate character profile for what you're getting.
Speaker 2: So it's very interesting.
Speaker 1: It's like having multiple jobs in a short period of
Speaker 1: time and you have to go through the character references
Speaker 1: of each of those employers, right, because like the kids
Speaker 1: bounce around so much.
Speaker 6: Really, and then you're dealing with kids that are, you know,
Speaker 6: eighteen to twenty two year olds, and you're that's ever
Speaker 6: maturing and evolving time in everybody's life. So you know,
Speaker 6: you just want to kind of make sure that you know,
Speaker 6: guys are about football, guys are about you know, being
Speaker 6: professionals and bringing in to South Florida, you know, getting
Speaker 6: the right the guys that are they're trending the right
Speaker 6: direction in terms of their character profiles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really good stuff.
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and close with this for you here
Speaker 1: because to bring it back to the combine here, you know,
Speaker 1: tons of fans are gonna be watching this event at
Speaker 1: home on their couch, just hanging out, watching some guys
Speaker 1: running around. I want to help you have you help
Speaker 1: them know how to watch the combine. So when you're
Speaker 1: watching the combine, like, what are a couple of things
Speaker 1: you look for on those on field drills and how
Speaker 1: is it different from when you're watching the game tape
Speaker 1: from the college season.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean everything kind of has a certain weight
Speaker 6: that you put into it, right, You're not going to
Speaker 6: overvalue necessarily, you know, a forty yard dash or or
Speaker 6: a certain event or a short shuttle or even even
Speaker 6: a field workout, because everybody has a bad day.
Speaker 3: Everybody, everybody is a great day.
Speaker 6: It might not really represent who they are from a
Speaker 6: from a player, but I think I think more than anything,
Speaker 6: when you're watching these these drills at home, I mean
Speaker 6: we look for natural flexibility, body control, balance, Guys that
Speaker 6: stay on their feet, guys that are always in control,
Speaker 6: and you can see the guys that kind of kind
Speaker 6: of lose their are a little a little out over
Speaker 6: their skis at times, trying to do things too fast
Speaker 6: and sometimes because they're nervous, and it's a it's a
Speaker 6: big audition for them, even though it's only a small
Speaker 6: piece of the puzzle. You know, it's just something that
Speaker 6: they've always seen growing up. So really, more than anything,
Speaker 6: it's it's the flexibility, it's the body control, is the explosiveness,
Speaker 6: those are those are the main things that that we're
Speaker 6: kind of looking for.
Speaker 1: I guess that makes sense because you see the w
Speaker 1: drill for the dbs right that, the rabbit drill for
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman, the gauntlet. Like, it's all about staying
Speaker 1: kind of ye within your your body.
Speaker 6: Having that base, having a foundation, having that core strength
Speaker 6: to be able to move in an effishent manner. You know,
Speaker 6: that's kind of the name of the game at the
Speaker 6: end of the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great stuff.
Speaker 1: Dolphins to college director of Scouting Matt Winston, appreciate you
Speaker 1: times today, man, Thanks for coming to with us, Thanks
Speaker 1: for having me.
Speaker 2: There he goes, and there we go.
Speaker 1: One more episode this week for you guys from the
Speaker 1: floor here in Indianapolis. We will talk to Adam Ingroff,
Speaker 1: Dolphins co director of Player Personnel, Jordan Reid, the great
Speaker 1: ESPN Draft analyst, and Brett Coleman from the Bootleg Football
Speaker 1: podcast the Film Room YouTube channel for NFL. He does
Speaker 1: a little bit of everything. We're gonna have more interviews.
Speaker 1: Emery Hunt will be on the show next week as well.
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