WEBVTT - Drive Time: Joe Barry, Matt Winston and Marcel Louis-Jacques Combine Day 2 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:10.240 What is up, Dolphins, and welcome to the Draft Time Podcast. 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:13.120 I am your host, Travis Wingfield, and on today's show, 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:15.960 we have a busy lineup for you guys. Here from 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:19.680 the floor in Indianapolis at the scouting combine. I'm joined 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.360 by a couple of heavy hitters on the Dolphins staff themselves, 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:25.439 Joe Berry, Dolphins linebackers coach, who will be on the 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:29.520 field for the linebacker workouts I believe on Friday, We're 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:32.640 also going to talk to Matt Winston, Dolphins director of 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.479 college scouting, and we'll close it up with the director 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:39.200 of college scouting for your Miami Dolphins, Matt Winston. Also, 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:43.080 NFLPA surveys out to Ron Armstead had a contract restructure, 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:45.080 or rather a pay cut. We'll talk about all of 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:50.159 that and more from the Indiana Convention Center in Indianapolis, Indiana, Indiana. 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:51.720 Landman, this is. 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:59.120 The Draft Time Podcast. So the Dolphins ranked number one 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:04.320 again in the NFLPA survey, measuring basically the structure of 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:07.399 the organization from a player's perspective and how much they 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:10.280 like playing with the Miami Dolphins across the head coach, 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:14.240 the training staff, the ownership, the meal rooms, which not 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:16.920 every team provides three meals per day in the NFL, 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:18.960 which is kind of crazy to me, with the Dolphins 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:22.160 do it in top fashion each and every year, and 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:25.080 that has earned them back to back slots among the 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:27.759 top of this list here in twenty twenty five after 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:30.160 last year excuse me in twenty twenty. 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.120 Four as well. So good news all around. 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:34.399 And the other news that kind of came across the 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:36.880 wire here in Indianapolis was the big news regarding to 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:41.160 Ron Armstead, who agreed to a contract. I don't know 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.200 the term for it, not a restructure, but more of 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.360 a reduction I guess if you will, and essentially what 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:49.200 that's going to do, and we'll see what happens with Tron. 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.080 It sounds like it's kind of the ball is in 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.680 his court, but the Dolphins will not sit around and 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.320 wait for him with his decision about what he wants 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:58.680 to do long term in his future, especially with the 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.720 emergence of left tackle Patrick Paul who could assume that 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:05.760 role from really day one in the twenty twenty five offseason. 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:10.520 But what Toron Armstead's contract reworking does is freeze up 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:13.320 about seventeen million dollars in cap space. The Dolphins can 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.359 be aggressive with and sign some players this offseason. And 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:18.760 you know, given the nature of the NFL and all 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.040 these one and two year deals and the void years 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.760 and the back ends of contracts, there's a great opportunity 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.080 for the Dolphins to kind of make a splash in 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.760 free agency. And we've heard both Mike McDaniel and Chris 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:32.320 Greer talk about the investment in the offensive line as 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:33.680 something they're going to have to be a little bit 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:35.959 more aggressive with this offseason. You guys have heard it 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.480 on the podcast all along. This is a great chance 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.960 to really attack that guard position in free agency and 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:47.440 kind of mitigate the potential slow return of draft picks 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.359 and trusting those guys to be early hits across your 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:52.720 offensive line. So if Miami can find a way to 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.240 get that guard position filled out before the draft, all 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:57.240 of a sudden, you don't feel pressure to take a 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:59.960 guard at thirteen, which you guys know, I don't agree 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.160 with that sentiment at all, and you can find a 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.800 way to maybe get more depth and development in the 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.200 middle rounds of the draft across the offensive line. So 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.720 that's kind of been the feature of the week. Of course, 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:11.359 everybody wants to talk about that. But it's cool to 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:15.320 hear the Dolphins really be more upfront about their intentions 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.040 this year, which sounds like a very heavy investment across 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:19.440 the offensive lines. So that's what I have for you 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:23.000 guys here, additional seventeen million dollars and spending cash for 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.480 Toron Armstead for that readjustment, and of course NFLPA survey 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:28.800 putting Miami at number one once again. 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:30.760 Let's go ahead and get to my guest. I have 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:31.360 three today. 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:33.320 We're gonna have guests for the next like five episodes 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:35.440 of Drive Time, So buckle up. If you're sick of 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:37.360 hearing my voice, that's a good thing for you. Let's 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:41.840 go ahead and start here with linebackers coach and run 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.800 game cordator Joe Berry. I was contemplating going with someone else. 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:46.280 We're gonna go Joe Berry here off the top. Let's 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.560 go ahead and get to my chat with Miami's linebackers coach. 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.880 What's up Dolphins? Welcome back in the Dolphins HQ and 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:54.119 the Draft Time podcast. My guest today is Dolphins linebackers 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.400 coach and run game cordator Joe Berry coach. 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:57.640 How we doing awesome? 0:03:58.080 --> 0:03:59.360 How was the first year in Miami for you. 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:00.720 I know we talked to the bit about coming from 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.440 green Bay down it's a weather's a little better. Yeah, 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:07.040 I imagine that was one of the big drawing factors 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:07.800 for you to Miami. 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:11.240 Yeah, it was. It's definitely different in a great way. 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:16.360 Though, wife and I live in Fort Lauderdale and love it. 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:18.920 I remember when I the day I left Green Bay 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:23.359 to come down to Fort Lauderdale, it was seventeen degrees 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:26.520 and snowing in Appleton, Wisconsin, and we landed and it 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.960 was eighty two degrees in sunny and in February last year. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.160 So yeah, it's been great. 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:38.240 The Dolphins, the area, everything about it's been It's it's 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:39.400 been a great year so far. 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:41.919 So got to keep it going, got it. 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:46.479 Obviously the goal is always to improve, and the thing 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:50.080 for us for coaches, the first part of the process, 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:54.560 in the evaluation part of the draft is the combine. 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:56.840 You know, it's it's you know, these scouts have been 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:00.440 working on these guys all year. You know some of 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.280 these kids they've been scouting for four years. You know, 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.960 we start now as a coach. This is our first 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.560 introduction to the player. So I look forward to the 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:12.520 Combine every year just for that, just to kind of 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.360 see the new batch of guys and just get acquainted 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.480 with the draft eligible players. 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.720 Yeah, we had Matt Winston and Adam Ingraff on the 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:21.760 show and they both went over like their schedule. It's like, oh, 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.960 so you guys are busy, busy this week here in Indianapolis. 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.920 Speaking of the weather, I have a really bad tam 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.000 line where my sot goes from the golf I've been 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.120 playing in January, which doesn't exist in Green Bay. 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:32.760 No golf in January. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:34.440 I'm not going to show the camera here, but it 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.320 is pretty bad this time of year with the tam 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:38.400 lines that you get in South Florida. 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:39.520 But I love it for that reason. 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.720 Before we get into the Combine coverage, coach, I want 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:43.880 to ask you about full transparency. 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:45.920 I actually voted for Jordan Brooks for Team MVP. 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:48.480 He was just barely beat out Zach Seiler on my ballot, 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.600 which who cares, But I did vote for JB. I 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:52.240 thought he was awesome this year. I just want to 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:54.000 get your perspective. Well, it's like coaching a guy like 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.039 that who's kind of quiet, reserve but also like a 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:56.599 great leader. 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:58.280 And then just a hell of a football player. 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:04.040 Yeah, I personally have a have a pretty cool story 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:07.840 with JB. You know, as I was talking about the 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:13.960 draft process as as coaches, you really you fall in 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:19.520 love with players in the draft, right, and really the 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:22.839 likelihood of you being able to draft that player, I 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:24.839 mean it's a it's a crapshoot. I mean, it's a 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:29.360 very small percentage that your favorite guys as a position 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:33.119 coach that you're actually going to get. But every year, 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.560 you know, every single coach has his guy or his guys. 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:41.520 And when Jordan was coming out, I was the assistant 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:46.120 head coach and linebacker coach at the Rams, and I 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.880 Jordan Brooks that draft class that he was my guy, 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:51.360 and and we at the time at the Rams we 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:55.120 were going to take a linebacker and that was my guy. 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:56.880 I fell in love with him. I was like, he 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:00.080 is our guy. We're going to get him and a 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:01.039 division yeah he. 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:05.360 Would yeah, I mean insult to injuries that not only 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.159 did we not get him, he goes to our division. 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.680 So so it was one of those things where I 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.680 was like, God, dang it, I was I there was 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:17.440 something about that kid I really I loved and I wanted. 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:17.760 To coach him. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:21.160 Well you know, oh, well he goes to another team 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:25.360 and keep it moving. Well five years later, It's just 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.680 crazy how the world works. I end up on Miami, 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:35.280 he ends up in Miami and unbelievable guy. Really, I 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:39.360 think he really grew this year as as a I 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.160 think he grew as a player, but I think he 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.320 really grew as a leader. I think it was really 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.600 cool for him. I don't even think that he realized 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:51.160 that he had some of those qualities and just just 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.760 a joy to be around. He's a true professional. He 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.920 works his butt off every single day on the field, 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:01.080 in the meeting room, just just does a phenomenal job 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.280 and had a great year. And like I said, our 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.200 goal is to improve on that and again, as well 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:10.400 as he played in twenty four, we got to take 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:11.480 that next step in twenty five. 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:13.080 Well, it sounds like you maybe had a little bit 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.840 of your whispers in the years of Anthony Weaver and 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:17.880 and Chris Career with regards of bringing JB down here 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:19.840 or down to South Florida. I should say, yeah, speaking 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.120 of coach Weaver, I was convinced we were going to 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:23.720 lose him this year because I think that's only our 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:25.280 time before it happens for him as a head coach. 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.560 And Mike McDaniel was talking yesterday a little bit about 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.720 how like you don't really celebrate it because you. 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.400 Want your friend to go, you know, do great things. 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.400 But it's great for the Miami Dolphins to get that 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.920 continuity back on defense, and obviously we've. 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:37.760 Had a great first year here. 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.160 Curious your experience with with coaching with Anthony Weaver and 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:41.440 what he brought to the Dolphins last season. 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:49.679 Yeah, unbelievable, unbelievable coach, unbelievable man, unbelievable person, what he's 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:53.760 able to do just just the way. I think Weaves 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:59.200 a phenomenal coach. But having been a former player, I 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.720 think he's able to really connect with the guy, especially, 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.599 you know, he's he's really special in front of the 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:09.560 room with the guys. I would say that that's probably 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:11.520 he has a bunch of superpowers, but that's probably his 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:15.800 number one superpower. And it was just it's it's he's 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.320 he's a blast to work with. He's a blast, blast 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:22.760 to work for. I was one thousand percent shocked that 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:26.560 he hasn't gotten the head job yet because he is 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:27.200 worthy of it. 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:28.679 He's totally ready for it. 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:34.560 So you know it's it's the other thirty one teams 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:35.160 missed out. 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:37.280 Thank god Miami Dolphins still. 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.520 Have him because he's uh, he's a he's a true 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.000 like I said, not only a great coach, he's just 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:46.000 a great man. And uh, you know what a what 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.640 a great role model for all of our players you know, 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.440 to be you know with Anthony Weaver every single day. 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.360 Well I speak on behalf of all of our content team. 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.120 That the way you guys interact with us around the building, 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:55.800 weave yourself. 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:56.000 You know. 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:57.800 Coach Clark France has been there for a long time, 0:09:57.880 --> 0:09:59.520 Like you guys make us feel like we're we're just 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:01.000 a big a part the teams everybody else. So it's 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:02.480 always really appreciated for how you guys. 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.560 Oh absolutely, we're all in this thing together. 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:06.800 Absolutely, Yeah, for sure. So you're going to be on 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.760 the field this year doing some some on field drills. 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:10.520 I'm excited to watch that. But before I ask you, 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:12.680 my I have like eight million questions about how that 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:14.560 process works. But I do want to just kind of 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:18.080 touch base with you on the evolution of the linebacker position, 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.079 because gone are the days of the two hundred and 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:24.000 sixty pound neck roll, you know, visor nose, noseguard wearing 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:25.920 a thumper in there, and now it's all about two 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:27.800 hundred and thirty, two hundred and forty pound guys that run, 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.240 you know, four fourths. Tell me what you think about 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.960 that and how this position has evolved. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:33.520 Well, it definitely has. 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:39.640 I mean, I think football is constantly evolving, and you know, 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:43.440 usually offense kinds of set sets the tone, you know, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:48.560 and offenses NFL offenses are constantly changing, you know, and 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.360 like you said, you know, twenty years ago, it was 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.840 a little bit more. You know, almost every offensive formation 0:10:55.880 --> 0:11:01.920 had a fullback lead blockers. So obviously the linebacker position 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:04.120 a little bit bigger guys that had to take on 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.920 a lot more blocks. Well, the offensive game has evolved, 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:09.400 it's much more spread out. 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:11.760 In the passing game. 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.640 But then you look at the quarterbacks that are kind 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:18.400 of becoming a trend, much more athletic guys that can 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:23.200 really run. So obviously defenses had to evolve really every position, 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:27.000 but the linebacker position as well, because as a linebacker, 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:29.800 you still have to take on blocks, you still have 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.560 to fit the run in a gaps, but you're also 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.400 going to have to walk out on a slot receiver 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:36.760 and match up with that guy. 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:39.480 You're also going to drop into coverage and then. 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:45.160 Have to go tackle an athletic quarterback. So the body 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:50.120 types have really changed, I'd say really in the last 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.200 ten years, but it's really taken on the last five 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:58.640 years that if you can't run, it's hard to play 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.240 the game of football if you can't run and are 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:07.560 athletic and have agility and athletic movement skills. And the 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:11.280 linebacker position is definitely that because it's unique in the 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.760 sense that you gotta be able to be big enough 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.559 and physical enough to take on a three hundred pound guard, 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.320 but then you also have to be athletic enough to 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:22.679 go out and cover a slot receiver. So that's why 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:26.640 he speaks and that's why again, that's what makes a 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.720 guy like Jordan Brooks special is that he is two 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:33.000 hundred and thirty five pounds. He's physical enough to take 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.679 on in the run game. But Jordan I can't remember 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:38.720 off the top of my head what he ran here. 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:42.400 But you know, Jordan was before the draft, you know, 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.280 he was kind of being talked about as like a 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.400 second or third round He performed so well here at 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.560 the combine, it jumped him into the first round. So 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:53.680 that's always a big storyline here at the draft is 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:55.599 guys that have unbelievable combines. 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:57.160 It really improves their stock. 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:58.560 Yeah. I think it was a Niner game. 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:00.840 He like blitz the big app and went and knocked 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:02.760 the running back on his button and sacked the quarterback. 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:04.240 And then a few plays there he's playing twenty yards 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:05.680 deep in the hooks on covering downfield. 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:09.880 Like great example of you know, you gotta be able 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.760 to run to play, even even at linebacker. You got 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.240 to be able to run and you got to be athletic. 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.320 But at the same time, you got to be big enough, 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.080 strong enough, physical enough to do all the things that 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:22.240 we're asked to do in the run game. 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:24.480 Yeah, tough ask lot to do for those guys. So 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.480 when it comes to the on field drills, the best 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.000 tool in the football universe, in my opinion, is the 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:29.839 football on a stick. 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.400 What a great tool that that invention was. Do you 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:33.360 get to use that it all this week? 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:37.640 Or I I hate the football on a stick. It's 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.000 just it's just so lazy. 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.640 You get your butt on a knee, get your hand 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:45.280 down and physically snapped. 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.080 I learned something today that I like that. 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.559 No, you will never see me use a football stick. Good. 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:50.959 No, I'm never going to say that again. Then I'm 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:52.640 going to call it the best tool in the universe. 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:54.480 When you are running those drills, what are you looking 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:56.160 for guys in terms of just how they move? 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:58.120 But what's what's the primary focus out there? 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.520 Yeah, you know I think the I'm not gonna lie. 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:05.520 I'm old school in the sense that I think when 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:10.720 evaluating players, the number one thing is their film, their 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.400 game film. 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.839 You know this. You can get a lot of things 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:17.000 from what we're doing here. 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:20.360 At the combine with the interviews that we get to 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.760 do that we get to conduct at night with the guys. 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.040 You can see some athletic movement skills. You can see 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.440 just raw speed with the forty. But I'm a firm 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:34.800 believer a player is going to be I evaluate players 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:37.760 solely on how they play football when I watch them 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:41.880 on film. But the thing that is cool here is that, 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.040 you know, we have twenty nine inside linebackers here, which 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:46.800 you would like to think these are the twenty nine 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.600 best inside linebackers in college football. 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:50.800 They're all here. 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.720 Hopefully they all work out, so then you can kind 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:57.760 of compare guys especially you know, we do six drills, 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:03.800 and most of those drills to see linebacker specific movements, 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:06.360 skilled movements that they are asked to do when they 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:12.200 play the game. So some of the drills maybe don't 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:16.360 totally you know, correlate to the game, to what we 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.360 ask guys to do when they when the ball snapped 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:21.480 in a game. But we try to get you know, 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:25.360 realistic drills that are the closest thing to playing football 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.400 and to get all twenty nine of those guys doing it, 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:30.520 and then you can kind of compare, you know, oh, 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.560 this guy really does this drill well compared to this. 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:39.280 So it's it's it's an evaluation tool that I think. 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.000 Like I said, it's it's the early stages for us 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:48.320 to get introduced to these players and it's the fun 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.400 part of the process and it's only the beginning of 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:51.200 the process for us. 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.280 It's like that that gauntlet Joe for receivers, Right, you 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:54.800 catch the ball and then you throw on the ground, 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:56.240 Like no coach wants you to catch. 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:57.880 The ball and put it on the ground after he 0:15:57.920 --> 0:15:58.160 does it. 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.800 So it's yeah, great example, You're like whin's the receiver, 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:02.040 We're going to touch the ball and then. 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.680 Drop us out, So literally never, hopefully never. 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:04.920 Yeah. 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:06.720 So you talk about being a tape guy. 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:08.880 Also fancy myself, but of a tape guy, I prefer 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:10.720 watching that, Like when I'm watching training camp practice. It's 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.480 so much easier to evaluate when I can go back 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.120 and watch the film over versus being there live. How 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.360 does how is it different for you being on the 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.720 field compared to being, you know, in your office watching tape, Like, 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:21.560 is there a pretty substantial difference. 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.720 There being on the field for the drill? Sure? Yeah, yeah, 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:25.400 I think it's it's just a. 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.880 The Even here at the combine, we have such a 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.480 limited access to the players. We get a fifteen minute 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:37.640 interview with the guys, that's it. And to truly find 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:41.240 out about a guy in fifteen minutes, it's hard. Now 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.280 when we go back, we'll be able to do zoom 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.680 meetings and stuff with guys and dig a little bit deeper. 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.920 But the thing that I personally like about being on 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:54.000 the field, I'm able to be around those guys on 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:58.000 the field in a competitive situation, see how they tick, 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:01.480 kind of see how they they prep to get ready 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.680 for the workout. You know that we got a little 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:06.440 bit of downtime down there, I'll be able to walk 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:08.800 over to a guy and steal a little bit more 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:13.600 time individually with him talking to him. So it's just personally, 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:15.960 I like and they limit. You know, there's only six 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:17.960 or seven coaches that are able to be down there, 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:21.040 So I just think it's a great tool to be 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.040 able to use just to be around those players a 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:27.159 little bit more. And you know, the vetting process is 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:31.240 constant until you know we draft, so's it's just another 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:33.840 opportunity to be able to run to be around these 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:35.120 players one more time. 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:36.280 Really, one on. 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.880 One competition is always a great thing, right compete. 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.600 Dolphins linebacker coach and run game cordinator Joe Berry coach, 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:42.880 we appreciate time today, man, Thank. 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:44.040 You so much, absolutely thank you. 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:46.639 So there he goes. Dolphins linebackers coach Joe Barry. You 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:48.840 can find him on the field on drill for the 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:52.080 drills on Thursday night working out these inside linebackers. 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:53.800 Let's go ahead and pause for a quick break. 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:55.879 Come back on the other side and catch up with 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.560 Marcel Luis Jack who wrote the great article on ESPN 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.959 detailing Mike McDaniel's time as a player at Yale and 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:03.960 how it helped him become a better coach at this 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:06.360 stage of his career. That's all next Draft Time podcast, 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.560 your host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation. 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:13.720 So we spoke to coach. 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.399 McDaniel earlier in the week about the great story written 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:19.160 by ESPN's Marcel Louis Jack, and I am joined now 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:22.760 today by ESPN's Marcel Louis Jack to talk about that 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:26.280 great story you penned up on ESPN. Marcel, first of off, 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:28.560 thanks for joining us. And what's what was the inspiration 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:29.320 behind that story? 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:29.520 Man? 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:31.640 Well, you know, with with Mike, I feel like he's 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.320 been kind of everybody like a media darling these past 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:37.200 four years, and there aren't a ton of stories about 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.240 him that haven't been told or written or this and that. 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.320 But I was just thinking, like, man, I don't know 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.879 a whole lot about how he what his Yale experience was, like, 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.000 who he was, like, what kind of player was he? 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.080