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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahadev Charma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic. Patrick, you are

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Speaker 1: in La enjoying some Cubs baseball. There's been a lot

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Speaker 1: of discussion lately.

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Speaker 2: This is because the commissioner was talking.

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Speaker 1: I believe was he at a Little League World Series

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Speaker 1: game or was it at where he was?

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Speaker 3: He was, Yes, in Williamsport. He was Sunday Night baseball.

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Speaker 3: And it was kind of a classic, a classic Manfred

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Speaker 3: moment of just kind of being asked a general question,

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Speaker 3: and uh, you know, Manford has this way of just

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Speaker 3: kind of like creating news, not just because of position,

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Speaker 3: his position, but also because you know, some of the

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Speaker 3: skeptics around his office at times, and also just you know,

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Speaker 3: this moment coming up when you have a labor deal

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Speaker 3: about to expire after twenty twenty six, like the local

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Speaker 3: TV model sort of blowing up and and Manford, you know,

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Speaker 3: towards the end of his final term here, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's talked about kind of retirement plans and you know

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Speaker 3: where baseball wants to go. It's just such an interesting

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Speaker 3: moment that you know, realignment is just one of those

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Speaker 3: things that gets into people's heads. It's a great like

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Speaker 3: just great fodder, great content.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think it's fascinating. I think expansion

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I distinctly remember the expansion years in the nineties, Like

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Speaker 1: it was really interesting to me even as a kid.

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Speaker 1: And now, you know, I'm fascinating to see what direction

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Speaker 1: they go assuming Las Vegas is locked in place. They

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Speaker 1: had very I don't know what if you want to

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Speaker 1: call it groundbreakings. It was supposed to be ground baking ceremony,

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Speaker 1: but it seemed like very you know, a ceremonial rather

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Speaker 2: But you know, I just.

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Speaker 1: Don't fully trust what's going on in Vegas yet until

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Speaker 1: like I see like you know, yeah, until I see

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Speaker 1: steel beams and like everything like actually built, and even

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Speaker 1: then I'm gonna wonder, like what's going on?

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Speaker 2: It just feels weird.

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Speaker 1: Tampa finally feels a little settled now that they've sold

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Speaker 1: the team. Once that gets official, everything's done there. It

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Speaker 1: sounds like this guy has some connections. He's a Jacksonville resident,

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Speaker 1: but but wants to keep them in Tampa. I think

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Speaker 1: that'd be great for the city of Tampa. I think

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Speaker 1: that'd be great for the team. We'll see where that goes.

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Speaker 1: It feels it sounds like it. Rob's always Rob Banford's

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Speaker 1: always said like, let's get those finalized and done, and

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Speaker 1: then we expand. And then with that is going to

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Speaker 1: come realignment. You're gonna have sixteen and sixteen everyone assumes

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Speaker 1: for four teams in four divisions in each league. Our

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Speaker 1: our buddy stephen nesmitt Nesbit, I thought nailed it with realignment.

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Speaker 1: You need what you need to happen is either Nashville

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Speaker 1: You need a West coast and you need a more

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Speaker 1: I looked at this and I'd seen some others, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, you're tearing apart leagues, You're tearing

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Speaker 1: apart rivalries. This kind of keeps everything in place, a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a shakeup of leagues. Each league has

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Speaker 1: a new team, and each each league has a kind

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Speaker 1: of a rag up in Division I would say, But

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Speaker 1: the rest of it is, the rest seems really smart

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Speaker 1: and well thought out. You know, I'm looking at these

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Speaker 3: Which means it's probably not going to happen, right and

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Speaker 3: maybe ye endless hunt for efficiency has created, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think some natural and understandable skepticism, like what are

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Speaker 3: we doing here? Because I think most people who care

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Speaker 3: about baseball understand, like, you can't break up Giants, Dodgers, Yankees,

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Speaker 3: a big benefit to like, you know, having like your

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Speaker 3: that's like how you know, enough people think that it's

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Speaker 3: I don't think we need the Cubs in White Sox

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Speaker 3: that would get old pretty fast. I think you have to.

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Speaker 3: I'm just pulling up so that our our listeners know

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Speaker 3: exactly what we're talking about here in terms of what

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Speaker 3: it would look like for the Cubs. So the Nesbit plan,

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Speaker 3: which is very similar to Jason Stark's plans, but have

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Speaker 3: which I think would make a ton of sense. Uh

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Speaker 2: That rivalry just.

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Speaker 3: Keeps growing and growing and growing. I think you gotta,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, off harms, yeah, the right word, but

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Speaker 3: it's it's kind of more of a measured take to

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Speaker 3: to satisfy some streaming company while alienating generations of baseball fans.

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Speaker 3: It just doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if the league sees this and doesn't say

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Speaker 1: like that makes a ton of sense, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what they're thinking. You should really check out this piece

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Speaker 1: because it kind of It even has the visuals, so

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Speaker 1: you don't even if you don't want to read the

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Speaker 1: whole thing, you don't have to.

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Speaker 2: You can get all the information.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Seattle would benefit so much from having

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Speaker 1: these changes and having a new team closer to them

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Speaker 1: and then just not having to travel to Texas all

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Speaker 1: the time. Like what a disaster that is for that

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Speaker 1: would leak change, not a lot of history. It's okay,

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay would league change. It's okay, we can survive this.

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Speaker 1: If you can survive the Brewers changing leagues, we can

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Speaker 1: servive and the Brewers in Houston changed leagues.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's what it was.

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Speaker 1: I think people can survive Tampa Bay and Colorado changing leagues.

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Speaker 2: You know. I think the one rivalry that you may

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Speaker 1: Plan would be Atlanta shifting to this new I guess

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Speaker 1: you know, Atlanta has a solid rivalry with the Mets

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Speaker 1: And then obviously the Cubs, Cardinals, Reds. I think those

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Speaker 1: in the late eighties early nineties as you remember, Well,

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Speaker 1: we assold people, Patrick and myself, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think it's fun. I love this stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to see where it goes as far as

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Speaker 1: what's next for the expansion and when it actually happens,

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Speaker 1: it's going to happen like these are the types of

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Speaker 2: You know these things are going.

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Speaker 1: To happen, and and it's just a matter of time. Patrick,

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Speaker 1: All right, we were talking about the starting pitching. That's

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Speaker 1: what I wanted to talk about. This is this is

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Speaker 1: I don't know what happens Friday night. I don't know

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Speaker 1: This starting pitching has been remarkable. Patrick Jameson Tyn came

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Speaker 5: Absolutely the excitement I heard Kip say before. The excitement's

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Speaker 1: All, right, Patrick, You know, I think we a month

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Speaker 1: this on on Saturday after a breakout performance Friday night

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Speaker 1: in Anaheim. I don't know, uh, but I just like

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Speaker 1: those types of you know, these these games where just

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Speaker 1: it seems listless. You're just waiting for things to wake

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Speaker 1: up and and for the offense to show that spark

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Speaker 1: that we know, uh it's capable of. But all that said,

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Speaker 1: of your power production. Bottom four team and strikeout rate

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Speaker 1: and I mean lowess strikeout rate in baseball, Top ten

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Speaker 1: three in baseball. We just talked a lot about the

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Speaker 1: starting pitching recently touch base. It touched on the high

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Speaker 1: leverage relievers. Really good group. I think that group is

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Speaker 1: really solid. You have five six guys that you trust

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Speaker 1: at the back of that bullpen. This is a really

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Speaker 1: good team. I don't know what happens in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: really hard to predict. If they don't know this division,

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Speaker 1: if they don't yeah, if they don't make the crazy

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Speaker 1: run to win this division, those three games are a

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Speaker 1: toss up and you want to avoid them.

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Speaker 2: But this is a good team that can win and

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Speaker 2: go deep.

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Speaker 1: In the playoffs because they have a lot of different

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Speaker 1: ways to attack you There is no doubt that the

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Speaker 1: offense needs to get going. There's no doubt that it

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Speaker 1: needs to be better to win the World Series, to

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Speaker 1: make a deeper run, to feel good about everything. The

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Speaker 1: offense needs to turn a corner and look similar maybe

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Speaker 1: not at April levels, but just show me some similarities,

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Speaker 1: and especially Kyle Tucker. But got to remember how good

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Speaker 1: and well rounded this team is. They have a lot

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Speaker 1: of different strengths. It's not just one thing. So when

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Speaker 1: people get frustrated and say they only do this, it's

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Speaker 1: just not true that they're a well rounded, deep team.

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Speaker 1: And you just, you know, right now, because of how

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Speaker 1: things feel, people don't believe that we don't know what

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Speaker 1: they're gonna look like six weeks from now, and if

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Speaker 1: some things start to click, this could be a very

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Speaker 1: dangerous team in October. Just you know, you just never

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Speaker 1: know what you're gonna get in October baseball. But they

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Speaker 1: have a lot of the ingredients to win some games

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Speaker 1: and to make a run.

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Speaker 3: The only thing I would dispute is I'm going to

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Speaker 3: defend our sickos and saying that in terms of losing

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Speaker 3: the plot of just like this team like until proven otherwise,

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Speaker 3: this is not a playoff team, Like we're not talking

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Speaker 3: about that. We're not talking about the Dodgers. We're not

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Speaker 3: talking about you know, the New England Patriots dynasty or

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Speaker 3: like you know, the Boston Celtics or the LA Lakers

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Speaker 3: what they used to be in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: Like, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think everyone sees the same things here of like

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Speaker 3: an offense that has been lost. You know, your your

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Speaker 3: best player. We've gone over the Kyle Tucker saga just

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Speaker 3: kind of popping up all at once.

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Speaker 2: I think everyone.

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Speaker 3: Has similar concerns about the pitching staff. So yeah, like

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Speaker 3: I think the Cubs are a good team. They should

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Speaker 3: make the playoffs. I don't think the division is totally

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Speaker 3: out of reach, so it's gonna be very difficult. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: nothing happens, no one knows what happens in October. It's

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Speaker 3: it's the crapshoot. But I still think there's enough like

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Speaker 3: warning signs here, there's enough recent history to have legit

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Speaker 3: questions and to you have to acknowledge the possibility this

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Speaker 3: could still go off the rails. It's the Cubs, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I don't absolutely agree with all of that.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm just trying to like, we're not

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Speaker 1: like this isn't like crisis mode just yet, but we

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Speaker 1: could enter.

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Speaker 3: That that'll be like our next episode.

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Speaker 1: And I certainly feel different about the offense that I

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Speaker 1: did even ten days ago. So you know, the more evidence,

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Speaker 1: I'm waiting for it to wake up. I believe it will.

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Speaker 1: You hope it's not too late. Uh, They've they've done

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Speaker 1: enough to kind of steady the ship and stay in

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Speaker 1: it and stay atop the wild card. Uh maybe that's

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Speaker 1: all they need, should be steadied during these down moments

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Speaker 1: and and win enough and not avoid a complete collapse

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Speaker 1: because the offense has just not been good enough and

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Speaker 1: it needs.

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Speaker 2: To be better.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens a week this weekend in

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Speaker 2: in l A.

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Speaker 1: And and and you know all week out west, Uh,

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Speaker 1: stay stay cool out there. And it looks like it's

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Speaker 1: pretty hot in LA so so good luck with that.

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Speaker 1: Uh And and I think it cools down for you

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Speaker 1: in San Francisco. So we'll see how well the Cubs play,

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Speaker 1: how everything goes. Thanks for listening to everyone. This is

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Speaker 2: On top of all things Cubs. Thanks for listening everyone,

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Speaker 2: take care.

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Speaker 6: The game

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Speaker 2: At the day