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Speaker 1: how are you doing today? Doing good? Murph. Good to

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Speaker 1: away today at the age of ninety. And that leads

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Speaker 1: us to our Twitter poll which coach over the years

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Speaker 1: head coach tormented you the most, Shula, Jimmy Johnson, Bill

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Speaker 1: Battle Chick, Bill Parcells. We'll talk more about that as

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Speaker 1: the afternoon, rolls along, We're gonna take a break here.

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Speaker 1: Coming up next is Gary Gramling, senior editor of Sports Illustrated.

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Speaker 1: He's got a lot of thoughts on the draft and

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Speaker 1: some other issues as well. Gary Grambling. When we return,

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Speaker 1: it is One Bill's Live, presented by a lot of Health.

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Speaker 1: We're coming to here from Home Today Radio Only Today.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back One Bill pretended

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Speaker 1: by Comata Health Radio only again this week. John Murphy here,

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker there and joining us on the line, Senior

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Speaker 1: editor for Sports Illustrated, Go, host of the MMQB podcast,

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Speaker 1: the author of the book Football FanBook. Gary Gramlin's on

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Speaker 1: the line with us. Hello, Gary, how are you doing good?

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Speaker 1: How are you Murph? We're doing well. And Steve is

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Speaker 1: with us as well. Steve say hello to Gary. Hey Gary,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on see I always a pleasure. Steve, Hey, Gary, Um,

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Speaker 1: we got to talk to you about the news of

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Speaker 1: the day. Don Shula passed away today at the age

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Speaker 1: of ninety. Is an important figure in Bill's history because

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Speaker 1: of what they did in the seventies against Buffalo and

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Speaker 1: because of later years. Two when the Bill is kind

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Speaker 1: of even the score a little bit in the you know,

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Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl years. There's no question John Shula

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Speaker 1: is sort of a pivotal figure in the history of

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Right, Yeah, I mean absolutely, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: mean he coached a Marie know, he coached John Unitus. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of people will will point to

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Speaker 1: longevity and in the debate about grades of all time,

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Speaker 1: obviously he's one of the greatest of all time. But uh,

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Speaker 1: I mean goodness, it's just the uh you look at

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Speaker 1: some of the years he put together between Baltimore and Miami.

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Speaker 1: Just just just an unbelievable giant of coaching. It's his

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Speaker 1: And you know some of the head coaches, you know,

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Speaker 1: they have things like him Jimmy Johnson, who won a

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Speaker 1: couple of Super Bowls, and and uh uh, the the

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Speaker 1: guys like Tom not, Tom Landry and Dallas of some

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Speaker 1: of the other iconic coaches. Yeah, Don Shula really didn't

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Speaker 1: have like, uh, like this innovative, offensive mind where the

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Speaker 1: guy just was a winner with whoever he seemed to

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Speaker 1: have on his squad. And like you said, Johnny Unitus,

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Speaker 1: Dan Marino, Bob Greasy, uh, you know, David Woodley, some

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Speaker 1: all all these guys. Uh. He seemed to do it

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Speaker 1: with whoever was on his roster and and just win

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Speaker 1: with anybody. You know, just just piled up wins, uh,

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Speaker 1: piled up Super Bowls obviously. Uh. And that's I guess

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Speaker 1: the other thing with Shula just not not a not

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Speaker 1: a huge personality, you know, obviously a great coach, but uh,

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, the eighties is when I was sort

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Speaker 1: of coming of age as a football fan, and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't a big brash guy. He just

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Speaker 1: uh he just always had a good team. Oh. I

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Speaker 1: got one more thing for you about Don Shula, Gary,

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Speaker 1: and that's and Steve and I were talking about this.

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Speaker 1: You know, Steve played for him in the Pro Bowl

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Speaker 1: once and uh, he had great players in Miami. There

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Speaker 1: are I can't think of any. There don't seem to

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Speaker 1: be too many, like, uh, innovative twists to the game

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Speaker 1: that Shula implemented. It was more about getting along with

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Speaker 1: his players and getting those players pretty good, talented bunch

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Speaker 1: with getting those players to win games, to win championships. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: that was that his legacy. Do you think that's actually

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Speaker 1: that's a really good way of putting in murph. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of the uh, you know, it's the uh,

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Speaker 1: what's what's it's the Jimmy and Joe out the xs

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Speaker 1: and os. You got to be able to Uh. I'm

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Speaker 1: stealing that from I I most recently heard it from

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. I don't know who originated that one, but

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's really look, managing the players. That's that's,

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Speaker 1: you know, more than anything. That's that's what a coach

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Speaker 1: has to do. I think it's interesting too to note,

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Speaker 1: and not for nothing that Don Shula won back in

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Speaker 1: the days of Larry Zonka and Jimmy Kick and Mercury

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Speaker 1: Morris and those guys running the football, you know, two

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Speaker 1: thousand times a game and throwing it five times again

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Speaker 1: I'm exaggerating, and then into the years of Dan Marino

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Speaker 1: where they aired it out all the time. He won

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Speaker 1: in both those eras. Yeah, I mean absolutely, And and

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Speaker 1: we think of uh, you know, we think it's sort

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Speaker 1: of the past happy offenses coming around and in whatever

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Speaker 1: like that. I mean, look, those Merino offenses, those were

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Speaker 1: it out. We're light with Gary Grambling Senior, Grambling Senior,

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Speaker 1: Avenue Sports Illustrated, Gary, I was looking back on some

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Speaker 1: of the stuff you've been cranking out of Sports Illustrated.

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Speaker 1: You wrote before the draft a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: you had a mock draft. Everybody does, but you had

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Speaker 1: the Bills gang aj Epenessa going in the first round.

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Speaker 1: Most people thought he was gonna go in the first round.

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Speaker 1: You included, right, Yeah, you know he was. He was tricky.

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Speaker 1: You could sort of sense him falling throughout draft season.

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Speaker 1: He just he didn't testamile on the combine and that

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Speaker 1: also kind of matches up with his tape quite frankly.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, he just so productive at Iowa,

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Speaker 1: and he's such a technician. When I look at him

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Speaker 1: and the way he fits in Buffalo is uh, I

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Speaker 1: feel like he's he's sort of a better version of

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Speaker 1: Shack Lawson. Uh. And obviously we see what Shack Lawson

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Speaker 1: got paid, and and good for him for finding a spot.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be a good fit down in Miami. But uh,

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Speaker 1: Epinessa is such a technician, and that's sort of what

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Speaker 1: you didn't quite get from Lawson. Neither of those guys

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Speaker 1: are really you know, speed burning, edge burner type guys. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously with the rookie wage scale, the second

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Speaker 1: round pick on that sort of contract, he's making a

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Speaker 1: fraction of what of what Jack is at this point.

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Speaker 1: And Epineza part of the rebuild that Buffalo did to

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Speaker 1: their defensive line. Quentin Jefferson from Seattle, Vernon Butler from Carolina,

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Speaker 1: Mario Addison from Carolina. If you go, and I've said

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Speaker 1: this a ton on this show, statistically speaking, if you're

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Speaker 1: playing moneyball, the Bills replaced all the sacks and the

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Speaker 1: tackles that they lost with Jordan Phillips and Shack Lawson,

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Speaker 1: and they replaced it even more so with the guys

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Speaker 1: that they've rebuilt with. Plus the upside of h. E. Panza,

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Speaker 1: So it looks like the Bills defensive line and defensive

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Speaker 1: front seven may be significantly There's a reason to think

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Speaker 1: make the argument that they could be significantly better than

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Speaker 1: they were a year ago. They definitely could. I do

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Speaker 1: worry about the Jordan Phillips loss. I thought he was

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Speaker 1: not only was he sort of a breakout player, I

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Speaker 1: thought he was still underrated by by the time he

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Speaker 1: finished up last season. That said, you know, ever since

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Speaker 1: Sha mcderby got there, you kind of look that defense

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Speaker 1: and said, well, they got to build it like Carolina.

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Speaker 1: They neither kk short and there there Julius Peppers and

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Speaker 1: these these really great guys up front, and they've never

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Speaker 1: really had that. They They've always had good guys up front,

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Speaker 1: never any superstars. Jerry Hughes obviously still still really good

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Speaker 1: at this point in his career. They've just been so

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Speaker 1: good on the back end it hasn't really mattered. So

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Speaker 1: I think that's what you sort of take comfort and

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Speaker 1: even look, even if they do slide back slightly on

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Speaker 1: the defensive line, they're just good enough on the back end.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to give up a lot of points anyway.

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Speaker 1: With Gary Gramling, Senior editor Sports Illustrated, one guy they

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Speaker 1: did not answer their defense or front Gary is Janik

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Speaker 1: and Goatway. Some people thought they should at least be

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Speaker 1: more aggressive in getting him. You you happen to think

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Speaker 1: I'm based on a post you you had on side

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Speaker 1: dot com. You think that in Goquay's kind of getting

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Speaker 1: a road deal from the Jaguars, and maybe the rest

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Speaker 1: of the NFL to date. What do you what do

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Speaker 1: you make of that? I do? And look, I realized

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Speaker 1: the franchise tag is collectively bargained. It is an option

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Speaker 1: for every franchise in the league. Uh, theingaqua stuff is

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Speaker 1: is a look. I feel for the guy because, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, last summer he goes to the Jaguars says,

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Speaker 1: I want a new deal, totally reasonable. He has far

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Speaker 1: outperformed his his rookie contract that that really really below

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Speaker 1: market deal. Uh, that that they're kind of forced to

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Speaker 1: asked for his extension. Uh you know Tom Coffins there

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Speaker 1: just kind of tells the franchise I want out, and

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Speaker 1: what do they do? Their franchise tag him, because you know,

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Speaker 1: lway rule into now the thing where you just see

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Speaker 1: you tag everyone and your tag and trade and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know he's gonna lose money. On the open market

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Speaker 1: because he's been franchise tag by a franchise that that

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Speaker 1: he doesn't want to play before, and frankly that the

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Speaker 1: Jaguars have to realize at this point there's no way

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Speaker 1: So I think just realistically, and and I hate to

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Speaker 1: prop up the Patriots as as as a model franchise

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Speaker 1: when it comes to just because Lord knows they play

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Speaker 1: hardball with people. But you think about the Patriots, they

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Speaker 1: traded Jimmy Garoppolo for less than they could have gotten

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Speaker 1: for him because they wanted to send him to a

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Speaker 1: good place. They appreciated the work he did there Rob

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Speaker 1: Gronk House, he gets sent to Tampa Bay. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: they could have held out and held out for more

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Speaker 1: from from the Bucks in that Gront trade. Uh. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: you just got to do right by the guys who

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Speaker 1: have sort of, you know, put it out there for you,

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Speaker 1: especially guy like in Goakway, who again I mean goodness hee,

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Speaker 1: you know, he made what like five million dollars over

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Speaker 1: four years for them. He far outplayed that he doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to be there, just just let him go. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And speaking of trading guys who may want out, may

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Speaker 1: or may not want out. The Bills did that this year.

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Speaker 1: They went to Miami, went to the VIT Minnesota Vikings

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Speaker 1: and got Stefen Diggs. And there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: criticism or some criticism or the Bills for the amount

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Speaker 1: they paid to Stefan Diggs. But on the back side

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Speaker 1: of that, you at the player and you get him

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Speaker 1: at a four year You've got him on a four

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Speaker 1: year extension for eleven million bucks a year. Were receivers

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Speaker 1: now of his caliber as sign him for twenty million

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Speaker 1: bucks a year. So if the Bills do get it back,

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Speaker 1: it's because they got him at a cheaper price for

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Speaker 1: another couple of years or until they signed him to

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Speaker 1: an extension. Absolutely, I mean, I can't understand anyone criticizing

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Speaker 1: that deal at this point. Uh, you know, Diggs had

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Speaker 1: not given any indication that he wants a new deal.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that changes, uh, you know, next offseason, two off

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Speaker 1: seasons from now. He's just uh, look, I think he's

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Speaker 1: a borderline top five receiver in the league. I think

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Speaker 1: he was overlooked in a run heavy offense. And obviously

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Speaker 1: they got Adam feeling there. Sharon Targets as well, I

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Speaker 1: think Diggs is so underrated at the catch point, especially

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Speaker 1: down field. He is so good tracking the ball down field.

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Speaker 1: I think he's just absolutely perfect for Josh Allen. And Uh,

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Speaker 1: you wish they had a full off season, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: my goodness, I would not regret that deal for a second.

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Speaker 1: I realize everyone's looking out what DeAndre Hopkins was traded

638
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Speaker 1: for and saying, well, why did they give up so

639
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Speaker 1: much more for Diggs? Uh? Like you said, Steve contracts

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Speaker 1: so much better, and he really is absolutely perfect for

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Gary Gramly and our guest senior editor Sports Illustrated. Hey, Gary,

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Speaker 1: speaking of the Buffalo offense, can I go back? You

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Speaker 1: wrote a post after the Buffalo has lost the Houston

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Speaker 1: Texans and the AFC Wildcard game. The Bills had a

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Speaker 1: sixteen to nothing lead in that game, but you wrote

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Speaker 1: kind of a story on the game and you mentioned

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Speaker 1: how much Brian day Ball impressed you with the way

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Speaker 1: he scripted the Bill's first plays that ended. I think

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Speaker 1: it was their first second possession that ended with Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen catching the touchdown. Look, Brian Dable catches a lot

651
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Speaker 1: of flak on our show. What do you say? Last week?

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Speaker 1: Steve He's the most. He's the most. It's the favorite

653
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Speaker 1: NFL pasttime fans making fun of their own. Yeah, it's coordinator.

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Speaker 1: There's another one of the truth to that. How what

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Speaker 1: do you think of Brian Dabole. What do you think

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Speaker 1: do you think he's got a knack for scripting plays

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Speaker 1: right off the bat or what are you making that? Oh? Look,

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Speaker 1: I Josh Allen for all the talent, he obviously has

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Speaker 1: some flaws. They you know, I think Josh Allen is

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Speaker 1: ahead of where I would have expected him to be

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Speaker 1: after after two seasons at this point, but you are

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Speaker 1: a little bit limited with what you can do with

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Now that said, you can get really creative,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's what you've seen from Dable and Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know that particular drive that that ended with you know,

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Speaker 1: John Brown to Uh to Josh Allen on the throwback there.

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Speaker 1: I'll just say I'll I'll say two things about that

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Speaker 1: Houston game. Is I think as you can expand that

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Speaker 1: that passing game, and I think that's what you can

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Speaker 1: now do with Stefan Diggs. Uh. You can start out,

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Speaker 1: you can start closing games with your offense instead of

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Speaker 1: just relying the defense, and really when you get to January, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's it's the offense. It's the offense that that closes

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Speaker 1: out games here in this league now, I mean, especially

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Speaker 1: if you're in the AFC and here you have to

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Speaker 1: go through Patrick Mollomes at some point, you got to

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Speaker 1: score points with those guys. Uh. The other the other

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Speaker 1: thing I'll say is is just uh, I mean, my goodness,

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Speaker 1: if you had Digs in there instead of not to

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Speaker 1: pick on them, but if you had Tefon Digg insteaded

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Speaker 1: Duke Williams in that game in Houston last year, I

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Speaker 1: think that's a two or three touchdown win for Buffalo.

683
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Speaker 1: And we're, uh, you know, we're talking about a different

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Speaker 1: storyline this offseason. Yeah. And one of the things about

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Speaker 1: this team is they're building it around a developing quarterback.

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Speaker 1: They got a strong defense, they're trying. They drafted uh

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Speaker 1: Zack Moss in the third round to help with a

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Speaker 1: running back and Devin Singletary. But they also got bigger

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Speaker 1: not only with Stefan Diggs, but also they drafted Gabriel

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Speaker 1: Davis six two two ten wide receiver and Isaiah Hodge

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Speaker 1: and six to three two hundred pounds wide receiver. Do

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Speaker 1: you think the size or the lack thereof played as

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Speaker 1: big a part as people seem to think it did

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Speaker 1: a year ago, or was it really the quality of

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Speaker 1: guys they had or was it just playing Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think the size helps with a guy

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Speaker 1: like that, and that's that's all kind of theoretically though.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, you know, bigger target, bigger catch radius

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Speaker 1: for a guy Josh Allen was never gonna be a

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Speaker 1: you know, a pinpoint per as an accuracy thrower. That's

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Speaker 1: just not who he is. If he was, he'd be

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00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: the greatest player of all time. Uh, he's gonna be

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00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: like Cam Newton. He's gonna be a little bit scattershot.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna want to play downfield and you're gonna want

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Speaker 1: to work his legs and some of the design runs.

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Speaker 1: So uh it makes a lot of sense. I liked

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Speaker 1: the Cole Beasley. Uh. I don't want to call an

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Speaker 1: experiment because I think it's gonna go on for a

709
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Speaker 1: couple of years, But I like Cole Beasley is just

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Speaker 1: the guy who can actually create separation. That's not something

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen had Wyoming his last year, and it's not

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Speaker 1: really something he had as a rookie and Buffalo. So

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Speaker 1: I like the fact that I think when you get

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Speaker 1: guys who can actually separate, Uh, it just there's a

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Speaker 1: confidence factor if you're a quarterback when he when he

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Speaker 1: has a clear target he can throw to instead of

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Speaker 1: trying to feel like he's constantly trying to squeeze it

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Speaker 1: in there. More than anything. But uh, you know, as

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Speaker 1: far as that offense goes, this is it that they

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Speaker 1: can start expanding that passing game a little bit. And

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Speaker 1: this is when you start to see, Uh this is

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Speaker 1: when Brian Dable is going to make his money or

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Speaker 1: or you know, if people want to start criticizing Gable

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Speaker 1: mid season this year, you can you can sort of

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Speaker 1: go off, but uh, this is really the year the

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00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: teams of place. I thought the offensive line was a

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00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: year ahead of where I thought it would be last year.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be really good this year. Uh

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00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: the pieces are in place, and for Josh Allen and

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Speaker 1: for Brian Dable, this is the year where it kind

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Speaker 1: of has to do. They don't have to be the

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Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs, but you have to be able to

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Speaker 1: go out there and uh, you know, put up thirty

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Speaker 1: something points in the game. In January, Gry grant Ling,

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Speaker 1: senior editor at Sports Illustrated. For the first time in

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Speaker 1: recent memory, Gary, the Bills are in the top ten

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Speaker 1: in Sports Illustrated's power ranking. Yeah, how much should we?

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Speaker 1: How much? Stock keep putting that how did those ranking

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Speaker 1: demon come about? March? By the way, we April that

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Speaker 1: those are the only rankings that matter. Really, Uh, we do.

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Speaker 1: We do a staff flight poll, and Connor or and

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00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: I are the we are the Bills backers on staff.

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Speaker 1: We are always ranking the Bills high. Connor actually has

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Speaker 1: them higher than me. Every time they get a really

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00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: high boat in the poll, everyone think it's me, it's

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Speaker 1: actually Connor. But when you look at the AFC East,

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Speaker 1: you're never gonna sit here and say like, oh, the

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Speaker 1: Patriots are out of it. There's no just logically, there's

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Speaker 1: really no argument for anyone being better than the Bills

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Speaker 1: going into the season. Yes, you know, if Sam Darnold

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Speaker 1: becomes a superstar, maybe the Jets sneak up and ensil

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Speaker 1: the division. If Jared Stidham ends up being uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the expectations are for Stidham, but

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Speaker 1: if he ends up being a quality starter and some

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00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: of those second year weapons take off of the Patriots. Sure, yeah,

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00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: they have a great defense. They can they can take

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00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: that division as well. But uh, just logically it's the

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Speaker 1: Bills have to be considered the favorite in that division

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00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: right now. I just don't see it any other way.

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Speaker 1: And I swear to God, I'm not going to go

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Speaker 1: on a Foxborough and a little bit and say the

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Speaker 1: Patriots are actually the favorites. The Bills are legitimately the

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Speaker 1: favorites in that division. Well, you talk about the Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: We started out this this conversation by you know, reminiscing

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00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: a little bit about Don Shoela. Let's go back to

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins and there in year one, after theoretically bottoming

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Speaker 1: out last year, Brian Flores got a little bit extra

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Speaker 1: out of that roster that people didn't think was there.

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Speaker 1: He seems like he's got him on the right direction,

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Speaker 1: and they had a ton of draft picks this year.

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Speaker 1: How do you see in them in their first year

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Speaker 1: after the rebuild? Uh, you know, I think Byron Jones

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00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: is absolutely an impact guy in that secondary. Other than that, though,

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Speaker 1: I'm just kind of looking at the roster and and

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Speaker 1: and I'm I try to be very careful about just

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Speaker 1: you know, sort of adding it up on paper and

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out what it is. But uh, it

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Speaker 1: just looks like a team. I don't I think you'll

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Speaker 1: see two in twenty twenty. I don't think you'll see

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Speaker 1: him early U Quite frankly, look too, I had better

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Speaker 1: weapons Alabama than he's gonna have U with the Miami

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Speaker 1: Dolphins this year. And that's it's not a hot take.

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Speaker 1: I think that's legitimately just talent wise. How it adds

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00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: up with those two rosters. Uh, I just think, you know,

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00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: Chan Gailey first year there, I know there's some history

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Speaker 1: of Ryan Fitzpatrick and and maybe they get a little

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Speaker 1: bit more of that offense. But uh yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: could they get to seven or eight wins? I guess so.

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Speaker 1: I just still look at them as I think they're

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00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: a year away. I think twenty twenty one is what

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00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: they're building toward, and I think that's what's gonna sort

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Speaker 1: of play out this year. I think they make a

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00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: small step, but not a giant lead. Hey, Gary, thanks

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Speaker 1: for this, keep up. They're good to work. Thanks pretty

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Speaker 1: much coming on with us today. We appreciate it. You

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Speaker 1: got a guys, always a pleasure. Thank you. Garry Gramling,

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Speaker 1: Senior editor Sports Illustrated, Go, host of Monday Morning Quarterback

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Speaker 1: podcast and the author of the Football fan book Gary

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Speaker 1: Gramling Joining us on the line right now, John Murphy,

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker here untill three o'clock today and coming up

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Speaker 1: next hour, a couple of guests one o'clock. Coming up next,

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Speaker 1: we'll have Dane Jackson, Bill seventh round draft pick, and

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Speaker 1: John Kidd talk a little bit about the passing of

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Speaker 1: Don Shula. Our Twitter poll today is interesting. As a

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Speaker 1: Bills fan, which head coach tormented you the most? Give

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Speaker 1: us a call eight O three five fifty toll free

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Speaker 1: one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty phone

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Speaker 1: lines are open. Twitter pole six hundred seventy votes in.

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick is the leader by a wide margin eighty

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Speaker 1: two percent. Nine percent say the Cowboys former coach Jimmy Johnson,

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Speaker 1: only six percent say Don Shula, who owned the Bills

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Speaker 1: in the seventies, and three percent say Bill Parcels. A

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Speaker 1: couple of responses on the tweet cheat Steve, A couple

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Speaker 1: of people want to vote for Doug Moron or Rex Ryan.

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Speaker 1: He's not an option. Neither one of them as Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: neither one of them or an option. But there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of interesting to on the tweet sheet. I'd love

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Speaker 1: to hear from people, because there's a lot. Jim Maryatt

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Speaker 1: Mary Cascio says, despised them all. Brian Greer from the

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Speaker 1: tweet sheet brought you by Corgan Moving Systems, the official

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Speaker 1: moves of the Buffalo Bills. Brian Greer says, I picked parcels.

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Speaker 1: My instant reaction was to pick Belichick, but then I

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Speaker 1: really thought about it. As a young boy, I remember

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Speaker 1: the first Super Bowl wide right, and no level of

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Speaker 1: pain lived up to that. In my sports fandom, I

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Speaker 1: was used to losing to Belichick, unfortunately, and maybe that's it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe most people are used to losing the Bill Bell

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Speaker 1: chick again. More votes for Moron and the Rex. There's

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Speaker 1: there's another. Oh, here's a tweet from lock City. Bill

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Speaker 1: been with a Bill since he've been getting God rest

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Speaker 1: his soul. But Don Shuler was a coach that through

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Speaker 1: the OH for the seventies made me dislike him. Him

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Speaker 1: being on the competition committee. Oh, I already read this one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: some of the non calls and calls went against the Bills,

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Speaker 1: and here's the one that kind of captured dominic in Cinna.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely a toss up between Belichick and Shula, but

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Speaker 1: probably have to go with Belichick. I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, you can't ignore the nineteen seventies.

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Speaker 1: I wish you could. But the Bill's record of failure

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Speaker 1: against the Dolphins in the nineteen seventies, it's there, Steve,

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Speaker 1: you know, twenty straight losses. Yeah, it's it's long, it's

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Speaker 1: a long stretch, and um, that's not going anywhere. He

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Speaker 1: was also a guy that you know, they even now

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Speaker 1: today that it's the franchise and they've been in Buffalo's

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Speaker 1: division since their inception, it's the franchisees still has that

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Speaker 1: stinking perfect season, and you know, yeah, and still celebrates

847
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: it too, and still celebrates the next thing it gets you, right,

848
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: I mean good, you know, good for those guys. Congratulations

849
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: to him. What an accomplishment it is and was even then.

850
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: But you know that that kind of still out there too,

851
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: and and that doesn't go away. And he was a coach,

852
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: he was a head coach. He deserves the ultimate amount

853
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: of respect for that. I think, so give us A

854
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: call full nine's open eight O three five fifty toll

855
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: free one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty. Um.

856
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: There's another topic on the table today. The NFL schedule

857
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: coming out this week, and it appears there will be

858
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: no international games. The league's gonna call off its international

859
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: series games in London in Mexico City with the coronavirus pandemic.

860
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: League's the league will informed teams or their decision either

861
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: today or tomorrow. UM. No international games coming this year. Um.

862
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 1: The league was scheduled to hold four games in London,

863
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: won in Mexico City. There were speculation, and only speculation,

864
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: Steve that the Bills might get a matchup with the

865
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: Dolphins in London this year, and for a variety of reasons,

866
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: I'm okay if that doesn't take place. Sure. I mean,

867
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: first of all, because of the coronavirus, the last thing

868
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: you want to do is hop on a plane and travel,

869
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: you know, internationally. But even besides that, those London games

870
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: are just a pain in the neck. I'm sorry to

871
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: paint on the neck. The logistics are hard. Everything, it's

872
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: it's an away game for both teams. Um, it's the

873
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 1: time change is a crusher that the uh yeah, the

874
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: the schedule is is rough, particularly for a game for

875
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: the players in a game that where you get into

876
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: these routines and it's so out of routine, much more

877
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: so than a Monday night game. Um yeah, it's it's

878
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: they're tough and unless you go the research says, at

879
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: least back in the days when I played that if

880
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna go and play a game like if the

881
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: Olympics were were who did the research? If you're gonna

882
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: go play a game along in five differenterent time zones away,

883
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: you got to go a week early to get acclimated

884
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: to the change in the time. If you don't, then

885
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: the key is to go as late as possible and

886
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: just play the game and need and get back and

887
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: deal with the time change with the jela on the

888
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: way back rather than the way there. So there's two

889
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: ways to do it. And in these London games, the

890
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: theory is you got to go over there for you know,

891
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: pr and you know and press junkets and you know,

892
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: photo shoots and public appearances by the players, and so

893
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: you can't go over there late. You got to be

894
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: over there for the hooplat that accompanies it. The NFL

895
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: has made it official now. They put on a press release.

896
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: All twenty twenty games will take place in the United States.

897
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: It's take a call on the line, Mark and buffalo him. Mark,

898
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: you're on the air with us, oh, Mark apparently? Or

899
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: go ahead, Mark, I'm here. Good afternoon, gentlemen, and be

900
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: safe everybody. Uh, anybody who's in there mid fifties or older.

901
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 1: It's got to be Don Shul And that was tough,

902
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: was stating the team he had we could never beat him. Yes,

903
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: Belichick's been bad, but maybe we just accept that better

904
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: because they were so great for so long. But the

905
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: Colphins were really good and good and even when they

906
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: were bad, we just couldn't beat them. Then when Jim

907
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: Kelly beat them that first game, remember what a feeling.

908
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: But it's got to be done up for me, guys,

909
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: I'll hang up and listen. Okay, good point. Yeah it was.

910
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: You know, even when the Bills had good team Steve,

911
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: they couldn't beat the Dolphins in the seventies, you know,

912
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: and I don't know it. And it was annoying just that, Yes,

913
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: Shula's on the competition committee, didn't matter, but and he was.

914
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: He was a true sportsman about it. He wasn't gloating

915
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: or anything, but they had the Bills number through the

916
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: entire nineteen seventies and there are still marks. I mean,

917
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: I still have some of those marks, you know, as

918
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: a fan of had we had some. We had a conversation,

919
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: but I can't remember how we got onto the to

920
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: the subject a couple of weeks ago. But remember they

921
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: had him beat in nineteen seventy nine. Yeah, well that's right,

922
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: Tom Dempsey, and they drove down the Bills. Judge controlled

923
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: the clock, getting down to where they had one kick left,

924
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: one play left at the waning seconds of the game,

925
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: and Tom Dempsey's um shank the kick and missed the

926
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: kick to win that would have beaten the Dolphins. And uh,

927
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: that was even more crushing, you know, to have it,

928
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: you know, have him on the ropes and then have

929
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: him let him off the hook. So even those kind

930
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: of and the Bills have had those over the years,

931
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: not just with the Dolphins, but with the Patriots with

932
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: other teams as well, where he's like, oh, you know,

933
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: and that's uh, and you know, super Bowl twenty five,

934
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: all of those games, the Bills have had more than

935
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: their share of those the Dallas game that was an't

936
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: just reaired. You know where they the guy missed a

937
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: kick then made a kick on the Monday night game.

938
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: Tremendous games, but Bills, the ones that hurt are the

939
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: ones you remember, and those are all the Bills were

940
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 1: on the wrong side of him. All right. One hour

941
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: in the books. We got a good hour coming up.

942
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: Jackson Bill seventh round draft pick, joins us when we

943
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: come back, and John Kidd, former Bills and Dolphins punner,

944
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: will join us. At one thirty. I'll talk about the

945
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: passing of Don Shula. Come on back one Bill's Live

946
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: presented by KLADA Health coming to him from our homes today.

947
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's radis. Oh good time. I'll watch

948
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: Steve Lasper to the d Do that not for time? Head?

949
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: I ever chose the show. Here we go, John Murphy,

950
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker. Hey, Um, we talked about some of the

951
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: news items to the day. A schedule. Um, well, the

952
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: only thing we know about the schedule. Steave is coming

953
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: out this week. But there are no international game that

954
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: is confirmed. Uh. In the last hour of the NFL

955
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: announceam making it official. No international games. So that's right,

956
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: that's yeah, what do we care? Well, the Bills are

957
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: gonna be I think there were strong indications the Bills

958
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: might have an international game there, but thank we might,

959
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: but there don't. So there you go. Okay, No, nobody cares.

960
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: Just people. What they care about is you know where

961
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: those games is gonna be and are they gonna be

962
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: Are they gonna happen the way we think they have

963
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: always happened. I don't know if that's going to be,

964
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: you know. The more the more pertinent question is what

965
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: it's going to look like. I mean, we can schedule

966
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: the games, we can schedule them all we want, but

967
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: are they gonna take place? Are there gonna be fans

968
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: in the stands? Is going to be on schedule? What's

969
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: it gonna look like? And that that's kind of up

970
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,479
Speaker 1: in the air. Still yep. Well, it's important to Bills

971
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: fans is important to Bill's players, including our next guest.

972
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: He is Buffalo seventh round draft pick out of the

973
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: University of Pittsburgh Dane Jackson, cornerback, a three year starter

974
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: for the pitt Panthers on the line of US life.

975
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: Hello Dane, John Murphy's team tasker here in Buffalo. Thanks

976
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: coming on with us today. Thanks for having me. I

977
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Where are you are you in Coropolis? Uh?

978
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: This offseason? Are you working out their day? Yeah, sir,

979
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm working out. I'm working out this in the surrounding areas,

980
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: you know, trying to find an open field. I have

981
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: a steady gym that I can work out in and

982
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: lift in. So, you know, it's been pretty good. Have

983
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: you had how much contact? Give me a head with

984
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: the bills as far as what kind of work out

985
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: on what to do? Very much yet, you know, I'm

986
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: just kind of still going on my own. H I've

987
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: been talking to coach. You just been telling me, you know,

988
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: to try to go at least to one or two

989
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: times a day, you know, and that's been steady. So

990
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: it's been pretty smooth. What have you had? Do you

991
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: have a workout partner? A group of guys did you

992
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: get together with? It's no fun to go in there

993
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: and work out alone. I know that, but you know,

994
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: you can only do so much social distancing in the gym.

995
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: But do you have guys you work out with to

996
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: keep you going? Yeah? Well, when I live my aunt

997
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: has a many weight room at her house, so I

998
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: live with her husband. And then when I'm when I'm

999
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: training on the field, you know, I just do one

1000
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: on one on one sessions with a personal trainer, so,

1001
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, I just try to get gets as active

1002
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 1: as I can. What about the defensive scheme? I guess

1003
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: eventually the Bills will send you the tablet with some

1004
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: of the elements of what they like to do defensively.

1005
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: Is that happened yet, Dan? Oh, yes, sir, that's happened.

1006
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: I've been I've been on calls, you know, just just

1007
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: learning the basics of the defense, learning the basic terms,

1008
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, it's been it's been exciting. Dan.

1009
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: You had quite a journey. You came out of high

1010
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: school like like a lot of guys. I guess, you know,

1011
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: you you were kind of probably a little bit of

1012
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 1: a late bloomer physically, you were a two star recruit,

1013
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: but you end up with Pitt. Do you think in retrospect? Uh?

1014
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: Was Pitt the right spot for you? I think it

1015
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: was a perfect spot for me. You know, everything worked

1016
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: out perfect. Uh, stay at home play for my hometown team,

1017
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: playing in front of my family. I think I think

1018
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: it couldn't have been a better I couldn't have been

1019
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: in a better position. Dan, you also um in high

1020
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: school you a what was it Cornell High School? I

1021
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: guess you played high school basket ball, played at the

1022
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: non state level, average twenty eight points. Again, you had

1023
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: fifty one points in one game that game. Tell me

1024
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: about that game. How did you drop fifty one on somebody?

1025
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: Back on games? I mean, it was just it was

1026
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 1: a rival game. You know, we had we had a

1027
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: lot of fans out there, and uh, I just say

1028
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: most a lot of my points was on free throws.

1029
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: I was going through the line a lot. But you know,

1030
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: it was it was an exciting game. You know, my

1031
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: team they kept beating me the ball and they depended

1032
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: on me. Well, Danny, mine, you had what offered from

1033
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: Pitt Ducane and maybe there was a third school. Did

1034
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: you think about maybe trying basketball in college, because you

1035
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: probably could have somewhere right at some point in my

1036
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: early career, I Pitt I talked about it, but you know,

1037
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: it wasn't really you know, okay, let's go do it.

1038
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,919
Speaker 1: It wasn't never anything like that, you know, just a thought.

1039
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: Did you when you came in Was there a moment

1040
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: or a year, or an off season or maybe a

1041
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: regular season where you felt like you really blossomed as

1042
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: a pitt Panther, where you came in and you were

1043
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: two star recruit and you got offered a scholarship and

1044
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,919
Speaker 1: and you know, you come in you kind of find

1045
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: your way. Was there ever a moment when you thought, okay,

1046
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: now this you know, I'm gonna start and I'm never

1047
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: gonna get it, get off the field, or you know,

1048
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: something of that nature. I would say, you know, my

1049
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 1: risk art freshman year where I had a few seniors

1050
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: in front of me, and unfortunately one of them went

1051
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: down and I had I had a chance to play

1052
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: in the game, and this felt like, you know, my

1053
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: time is here, and my time is now, and I

1054
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: never looked back from there. Dan Jackson, our guest Buffalo

1055
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: seventh round draft pick from University of Pittsburgh. Once you

1056
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: get into lineup, you didn't really come out. You started

1057
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 1: for three years. I'm sure that appealed to the Bills,

1058
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: all the experience you got there. Dan Uh, Yeah, sir.

1059
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of a lot of experience

1060
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: playing in the defense where you know, I couldn't have

1061
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 1: been you know, or I'm very fortunate to be successful

1062
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: in the defense. You know, I'm happy the way coaching

1063
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: or Dusty plays his defense, and you know, I'm happy

1064
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 1: I got I got the prosper Yeah, it's amazing because

1065
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: there's not very many players in college. You get to play,

1066
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: you know, fifty career games during your four seasons. I mean,

1067
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: that's that's a lot of football for a collegian. It

1068
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: gives you a lot of experience. If the Bills talk

1069
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,919
Speaker 1: to you when the Bills drafted you or or spoke

1070
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: to you pre draft, did they talk about that? I

1071
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: mean how and Murph just mentioned it. You know, you

1072
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: were on the fifth you know you weren't hurt, you

1073
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: didn't get injured or not to say that you didn't

1074
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: play with a few aches and pains. But that says

1075
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: a lot about your ability to be available at the

1076
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: pro level on a given Sunday. Yeah, sir, Like I said,

1077
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm just fortunate that fortunate enough to be you know,

1078
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: to come out injury free, come out healthy. You know,

1079
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: I put a lot, put a lot on a field.

1080
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: But you know, like like I said, I'm just fortunate.

1081
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: I can't think that the man above enough. Do you

1082
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: You've been described as a physical cornerback game tell me

1083
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: about that. Do you consider yourself physical and do you

1084
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: like to come up and support the run? Yes, sir,

1085
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: of course, you know I'm not. I don't shy away

1086
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: from any contract. You know. I like to be aggressive

1087
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: when I play, and I like to just leave it

1088
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: all out there on the field. You know. I try.

1089
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: I try not to, you know, hesitate. I try to

1090
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: just go. Once I see something, I try to react.

1091
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: As evidence to that, I saw one scouting report that

1092
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: described you as uh as grabby, maybe using your hands

1093
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: too much. Did you get flagged for that a lot

1094
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh? And is that going to be an issue?

1095
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: Do you think when you come to the NFL. I've

1096
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: been working on it, you know, I've been working in

1097
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: though different things and not using my hands after the

1098
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: line of scrimming is not using my hands at the

1099
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: top of the route. You know, we all we all

1100
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: have room to improve. So that's definitely one of my

1101
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: games of my one one of the aspects of my

1102
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: game that I would like to improve on. Yeah, I

1103
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think Bills of talking. You know

1104
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: what the Bills did the training camp the last year

1105
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: or two. They give the defensive backs other myths, So

1106
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: they learned to practice without grabbing people. If they talk

1107
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: to you about that at all, you ever tried that technique?

1108
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: They haven't talked to me at all. But I recently

1109
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: ordered some boxing boxing miss they're not not the ones

1110
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: you hit, not the ones you swing the box with,

1111
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: but the ones you hit. I ordered some of those,

1112
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: and when i'm when when I'm with my trainer, I

1113
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: use those very same idea. Yeah, those are good. Well,

1114
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: I get what do you what's the next step? Have

1115
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: the bills giving you any kind of uh hopeful outlook

1116
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,959
Speaker 1: down down the future, down the road a few weeks

1117
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: maybe or a month or anything, any hallmarks or milestones

1118
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: to look forward to. With the schedule of the team,

1119
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: we're just taking the day by day, you know. I

1120
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: have my daily meetings with Coach Butler, and you know,

1121
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: we're just learning the defense. You know, it's it's all

1122
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: a crazy process right now. But I'm trying to soak

1123
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: up as much as I can and be as sponge

1124
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: and learned as much as I can from coach. One

1125
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: of the things I saw that I found interesting. You

1126
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: were asked who was the toughest receiver you had that

1127
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: at Pitts at Pittsburgh And one of the guys you

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00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: mentioned is now your teammate, Gabe Davis. Gabriel Davis, well

1129
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: of those fourth round pick. What made him so tough? Then?

1130
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: You know he's a big court receiver that I have

1131
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: good speed as well. You know when we watch him

1132
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: on film, he gets he gets a lot of separation

1133
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,919
Speaker 1: from route and I can't wait to go up against

1134
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: them in practice once again. Yeah, it'll be interesting. You'll

1135
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: get plenty of chances to compete with these guys. Have

1136
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: you thought about your your other rookie classmates. Have you

1137
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: talked to any of the other draft guys, the guys

1138
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: like a Japaneza. Have you guys been on a meeting

1139
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: together or reached out personally? We have not been on

1140
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: a meeting together. Um, I haven't really talked to any

1141
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: of the rookies so far, you know, but you know, well,

1142
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: we'll be in contact soon for sure. Hey, Dan, stay

1143
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: hang in there, stay healthy, and maybe someday we'll get

1144
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: you up here and we'll get down the show again

1145
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: right in the studio, you know, what's your park? Thanks

1146
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: for coming on with us today, Yes, sir, thank you.

1147
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys for having me. Thanks Dane. Dane

1148
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: Jackson Bill seventh round draft pick from Pitts Pittsburgh seventh

1149
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: round pick three years started for the pitt Panthers. Uh,

1150
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: that's funny, I asked Oven Mits and he's already got

1151
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: the problem solved with boxing gloves. That's such a good idea.

1152
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: That is a good idea. Yeah, and remember out there

1153
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: at camp last year, players Mitts. Yeah, there must have

1154
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: been a there must have been a deal. They must

1155
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: have been on sale at bed Bath and Beyond or

1156
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: somebody place where they go in grab a whole bucket

1157
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: full of those. You know, they hadn't for everybody. Good

1158
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: idea And that's you know, that's where coaches can be

1159
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: creative and figure out new in different ways to get

1160
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: their guys to think of, you know, to think about

1161
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: what they're doing on the field. And um, it's a

1162
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: good idea. It's a good idea. I'm sure it's you know,

1163
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: those ideas kind of bounce around. You can you can

1164
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: bet that other teams will be using them as well.

1165
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: So everybody, you know, used to be rare when the

1166
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: teams quarterbacks would uh well no baseball pitchers would throw

1167
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: a football, and now every every time before a baseball game,

1168
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: now major League Baseball game pitchers are throwing footballs. You

1169
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: know it's crazy, but they do the same same idea. Hey,

1170
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: our Twitter poll today. Don Shula passed away today at

1171
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: the age of ninety, and we're asking folks, as a

1172
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: Bills fan, which opposing head coach tormented you the most.

1173
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: A couple of wise guys on Twitter, said Doug Marone

1174
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: and rest Ryant opposing head coach, which one tormented you

1175
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: the most? Eight hundred and eighty six votes so far.

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00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: Bill Balichick Patriots is the leader eighty two percent. And

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00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: if somebody pointed out, not only is he the Patriots

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00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: head coach, but he was the defensive coordinator in Super

1179
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: Bowl twenty five. Okay, I remember eight percent, said Jimmy

1180
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: Johnson with his two Super Bowl wins for the Cowboys

1181
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: in his tenure with the Miami Dolphins. Only six percent

1182
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: say Don Shula. I'm a little shocked at that. I

1183
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: guess it's Twitter, right, We know who uses Twitter. They're

1184
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: not the people who might not remember the seventies. At

1185
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: strongly four percent say Bill Parcels got phone lines open?

1186
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: If you have a commenter question, eight oh three five

1187
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: fifty toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two

1188
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: five fifty this pride you sho will only get six percent. Steve, Yeah,

1189
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit, I does. It does

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00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: because you know, the guy won more games. He won

1191
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: more games than then Bill Belichick has won. Ye think

1192
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: about that for a minute. Um, So he had a

1193
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: great and illustrious career, and uh, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm

1194
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: sorry to hear about his past. It was just it's

1195
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: just bad. It's just too bad. I know that the

1196
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, the Five Presidents loop that I have been

1197
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm a part of with all the old Bills guys.

1198
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: They are all, you know, all the Hall of famers.

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00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: They all have nothing but glowing things to say about

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00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: Don Shula. They talked to him all the time and

1201
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame get togethers and they all, you know,

1202
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: they all have a friendship with him. So it's uh,

1203
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: they're pretty sad about it. Yep. Let's take a phone

1204
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: call here, David Williams, Bill, Hello, Dave, you're on the air.

1205
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm in my late sixties. So I go back with

1206
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: all of these teams, and I always felt that Shula

1207
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: and Parcels and people of that ilk were actually just

1208
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: doing their jobs, and there was no pregame hype, there

1209
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: was no mouthing off after the game. There was a handshake.

1210
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: But with Jimmy Johnson and all of the Cebat's America's

1211
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: team being force fed for years with that stuff and

1212
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: his sort of smirk afterwards and the flutey flakes and

1213
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: how about them cowboys kind of thing, he was the

1214
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: one who really got to me in including the plastic

1215
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: care and the three rings and all of that. So

1216
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: it's a matter of you really dislike the team because

1217
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: they're good. In the Dolphins case, I didn't. In the

1218
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: same with the Patriots all I certainly would love to

1219
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: see them loose, but it's sort of that sort of personality,

1220
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: that obnoxious personality. I had the pleasure of watching the

1221
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: drought end and the goal posts come down. I was

1222
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: in the stadium at the time, but the biggest pleasure

1223
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: I had was seeing the Raiders and Al Davis, who's

1224
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: I don't think been mentioned previously this morning, who I

1225
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: had among the biggest egos I've ever seen in professional sports,

1226
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: and watching his faith because I had season tickets done

1227
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: and I could see the owner's box and watching him

1228
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: lose fifty one to three, and I could look up

1229
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: and see him suffering and emoting. That was much more

1230
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: sis fine to me. So how did he look? Describe

1231
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: that image? What did what did L? Davis look like?

1232
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: The fancy word, and I know a lot of fancy

1233
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: words would be apoplectic. I mean literally, he looks like

1234
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: his head was going to blow off. He was, you know,

1235
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: trying to control himself. And I certainly don't know the man.

1236
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: I only know his media presence, but I'm sure john

1237
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: you probably have met him and everything, and it's just

1238
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: that he was he couldn't believe this could happen to him,

1239
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, that that sort of narcissistic point of view

1240
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: that I also Emmy Johnson that I don't see in

1241
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: Don Shula and other people who loved the game. I

1242
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: even see that in Belichick, who I hate to say it.

1243
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: I think the guy just loves football, and I don't

1244
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: see the sort of maniacal big ego that everyone else sees.

1245
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: I think this is who he is, this is his identity.

1246
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: And he shuts up after the game and he shakes hands,

1247
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: and you know, he doesn't trash talk or anything like that.

1248
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: And so with me, it's the sort of personality thing.

1249
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: And also the networks. CBS made its living with Summer

1250
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: All and Madden just talking endlessly about America's team and

1251
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. So I was so sick of that term

1252
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: America's team. So this Thanksgiving gave me great pleasure to

1253
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: watch that. And with me, it's a kind of media

1254
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: hype and narcissistic personality versus a really good team with

1255
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: really good coaches who just beat us because they're better,

1256
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so you would put Jimmy Jackson to

1257
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: the top of that list, Oh, I definitely would, you know.

1258
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: And I guess I'll have to admit to some of

1259
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: the bias about the Texas thing. It's tough on me

1260
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: to have that, you know, Texas thing shoved in my

1261
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: face along with the along with the complicity, I guess

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01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: is the word I would use that CBS has been

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01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: was really complicit and all that and did very well

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01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: with that. And I'm sure the Cowboys are America's team

1265
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: throughout the heart Land, and you know, some of that

1266
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: is the I guess, the feeling we have here at

1267
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: Buffalo of having been dissed through the years and disrespected

1268
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: and all of that. So so for yeah, that's a

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01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: good point, Dave, very good point, Stephen is Dave, we've

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01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: talked about it. You try to you know where Don

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01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: Shula has passed away at ninety this is in our

1272
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: poll today. Is by no means any way to disrespect him.

1273
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: But clearly he was an opposing coach who had the

1274
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: Bill's number and we had, and he's not getting any support.

1275
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: I think there might be people in Dave's corner. He's

1276
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: not getting any many votes for the coach who tormented

1277
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: Bills fans so much. And clearly also, you know, there

1278
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: there was nothing wrong with Julie. You know, they were good,

1279
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: a good team. They always beat the Bills and try

1280
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: it as hard as you like. It's hard to find

1281
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: anything that they were doing wrong about it, right, They

1282
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: weren't cheating, they weren't glowed, they weren't the over celebrating.

1283
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: I think that goes into what David and Williams was saying.

1284
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: Now you wouldn't hear anything from Don Shola, you know,

1285
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: not during the week, and it was a different world

1286
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: to no social media. The platform for covering the teams

1287
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: was their local beat writers and the television coverage on

1288
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: the day of the game, and that was it. That's

1289
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: all you would get as an opponent. We would never

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01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: see Don Shula or hear anything about the Dolphins until

1291
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: they came to town. And it was the pre the

1292
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: postgame interviews. That was it. And then nowadays you get,

1293
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: you know, every opponent upcoming, you get a Wednesday press

1294
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: conference and you hear what the coach says and you

1295
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: can digest that, and you know, you get the pregame

1296
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: comments of the coach, you get postgame comment. You know,

1297
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: you get all of this stuff all the time. So

1298
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: back then, in the seventies and eighties and all mostly

1299
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: into the nineties as well, then there wasn't the amount

1300
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: of content coming out of these organizations in regards to

1301
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: their opponents a lot and Don and I think because

1302
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: of that, it was easy to see Don Shula as

1303
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: a guy that you know, he showed up, played football

1304
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: and left and that was kind of the way it

1305
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: was back then. Yeah, I think that was a star.

1306
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: That was the stark contrast the way it is today

1307
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: and why people of our age and a little older

1308
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: see it so differently. Marv Levy had a great robberty

1309
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: with Don Shula and it was pretty even handed too

1310
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: over the years, I think. Well, Adam Benini from a

1311
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: channel tune Buffalo got a quote from Marv Levy, Marv

1312
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: Steve's coach says quote, I held him in the highest esteem.

1313
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: I had great respect for him. He exemplified everything a

1314
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: coach should be. He is, without question, the greatest pro

1315
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: football coach ever. It means something if another Hall of

1316
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: Famer says that about you, Marv or not, that means something.

1317
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: Steve particularly appear. Yeah, and there was only and Marv

1318
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: was the only head coach I think in Don Shula's

1319
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: career who had a winning record against Don Shulah. He

1320
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: was the only one, and that says something about the

1321
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: respect Marv had for him. He thought he was a great,

1322
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: best head coach ever. And that's that's high praise from

1323
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: another Hall of Famer. Eight oh three five fifty toll

1324
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: free from Outside Buffalo one eight eight eight five fifty

1325
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: two five fifty. Any thoughts on the passing of Don

1326
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 1: Shula And maybe you want to get involved in our

1327
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: Twitter Bowl. Of all, we've got a roster of head

1328
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: coaches who had success against the Bills, which one tormented

1329
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: you the most eight hundred eighty six votes, eighty two

1330
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: percent say Bill Belichick, Wow, only six percent say Don

1331
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: Shula who passed away today, eight percent say Jimmy Johnson,

1332
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: and four percent say Bill Parcels. Let's go back to

1333
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: the tweet sheet for some ploughts on this. It is

1334
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: brought to you by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official movers

1335
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: of the Buffalo Bills. Do you have a tweet sheet

1336
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: and hand theers do if you want to read some

1337
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: of these? I do. Hold on just a second here, Yes,

1338
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: I do it, and it let's go from Let's go

1339
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 1: from Ben Ben he I think he echoes most of

1340
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: what the fans respondents say because I'm thirty five years old.

1341
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: Belichick took the reins in two thousand. That means only

1342
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: fifteen non Belichick years, more than half my lifetime. Um,

1343
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: that's it. I think that's what it is too. It's

1344
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, um, Don Shula retired in nineteen ninety five,

1345
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: so anything anybody under the age of twenty five doesn't

1346
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: even or really under the age of thirty would not

1347
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 1: even remember Don Shula being a coach. So that's all.

1348
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: It's a long time and a lot of bills fans

1349
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: that are that are up to their necks with Bill Belichick.

1350
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: M I guess I get it. Some sense of history,

1351
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: right if you're a Bills fan, like you got to

1352
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: know that that was going on and it was terrible

1353
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: in the seventies. No, well, well for me, I mean

1354
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: I didn't get here till eighty six, and uh and

1355
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: Jim Kelly and Andre Reid and Bruce Smith were already

1356
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: on the team at that point. They were getting good fast,

1357
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: and so I, I, you know, I had to hear

1358
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: about all that stuff. And I'm, you know, so I'm

1359
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: late to the party though I was in my mid

1360
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: twenties when I arrived, so I'm kind of with them.

1361
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: But I you know, I had to look at Don

1362
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: Shulin the eye a bunch, so I know how that went.

1363
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: And Belichick I've really only covered as a media member. Yeah.

1364
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: Another from the tweet sheet from Jack he says, for me,

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01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 1: it's the hoodie Belichick. I didn't live in the seventies

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01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: and the early eighties. I was a baby, and when

1367
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 1: I was young in the eighties and early nineties, the

1368
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: Bills were good and often beat the Dolphins. Belichick, on

1369
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: the other hand, has constantly beaten the Bills and ruined

1370
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: much of my adult football watching life. I get it.

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01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 1: I understand that it's it's it's crazy, but I get it.

1372
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: I know what that means. Oh yeah, and it's easy

1373
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: to understand, you know, sees you understand why people feel

1374
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: that way. I mean, it's been a long, long road

1375
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: and a bumpy road for the last twenty years. To

1376
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: go to New England and to see it'll be interesting

1377
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: to see how much it does change this year, Murph,

1378
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see in New England how much

1379
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: it changes. Fifty toll free one eight eight eight five

1380
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: fifty two five fifty year thoughts on the passing today

1381
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 1: of Don Shula and which coach is the one who

1382
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 1: torment you the most? Let's go to uh Bob and

1383
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: Ken Moore. Hi, Bob, you're on the air, Bob and

1384
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: Ken Moore? Are you there, Bob, I'm there. Go ahead,

1385
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 1: you're on the Airbob. Just a little story about Don

1386
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 1: Shula and the fourth Super Bowl down at Atlanta. My

1387
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 1: friends and I all went down for the game and

1388
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: we had our tickets, but our friends ended up didn't

1389
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 1: getting They didn't get their tickets because of ticket snaffoos

1390
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: with all the travel agents. If you remember back then,

1391
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: there was all those problems. So our friends were there

1392
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: without tickets. We were there the night before the game.

1393
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 1: Tula comes up and he's talking to us as, so

1394
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: you guys are from Buffalo blah blah blah, here for

1395
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: the game ye had And our friends said, uh yeah,

1396
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: but we're not going. Why not to last? And he

1397
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: our friend explained about the ticket snaff who and uh,

1398
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 1: Sula said, oh that's too bad. He and he pulled

1399
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: out two tickets out of his coat pocket and handed

1400
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:18,799
Speaker 1: him to our friends and said, enjoy, you are kidding

1401
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 1: me super Bowl tickets? Can you imagine that he just

1402
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: had too strange? What did you? What did you? What

1403
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:28,600
Speaker 1: did you guys do? Well, you know, we were dumbfounded,

1404
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:30,799
Speaker 1: kind of like you were as well. You know, Shula

1405
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: was at you know that point, one of our number

1406
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: one enemies. But how do you love the guy? And

1407
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: he went out of his way to introduce himself and uh,

1408
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: talk to us and boom gave gave my friends the tickets. Wow,

1409
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 1: what a great story. That's amazing. Think about that, Don

1410
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: Shula giving a couple of random bills fans tickets to

1411
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl that he just got beat out of

1412
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: by the Bills in the championship game, or a year ago,

1413
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: a year before, I guess, and it would have been

1414
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 1: the would have been the Pasadena super Bowl. So it

1415
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 1: was a year later. But man, oh man, that's you know,

1416
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 1: that's the kind of guy I remember him being, you know,

1417
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that was my experience with him. He was

1418
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: he had a great sense of that, I guess. You know,

1419
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: that's amazing. Did he give you Did anybody say why

1420
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: are you doing this? What do you what do you

1421
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: want from us? Anything like that? Well, you know, we

1422
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 1: could barely speak, you know. It was we had started. Uh,

1423
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: we were all set to maybe not like the guy

1424
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: when we saw him, and it turns out he walked

1425
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: away and we were as biggest fans. So amazing. That's

1426
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: a great story, Bob. Thanks. Wow, I'm in ken Moore

1427
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: with a story. Super not just tickets, not just tickets,

1428
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 1: super Bowl tickets. I'd use the ticket and then say

1429
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: I didn't ask this, aboub. I hope that whoever got

1430
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: the tickets hung on to him, mad him framed or something, right,

1431
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: I mean, right, when you have to winning coach in

1432
01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 1: NFL history, here. Here's a couple of tickets. Amazing. All right,

1433
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break. John Kidd, who played for

1434
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: Don Shula and Marv Levy, Right, he played for me

1435
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: Levy Shore, Yes he did. Yes, he's coming up next

1436
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: here on the show. It's one Bills Live presented by

1437
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: Collatta Health Radio only today and this is Buffalo Bills Radio.

1438
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 1: Welcome back up and Steve Tasker here until three o'clock.

1439
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: And if you just if you miss the news happened

1440
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 1: this morning. Don Shula passed away at the age of ninety,

1441
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: the winning coach in NFL history, Hall of Fame coach

1442
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 1: John Don Shula passing away today. Obviously, the Bills very

1443
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: much a part of the Don Shula story in the NFL.

1444
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: Joining us on the line right now, a guy who

1445
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 1: spent fifteen seasons in the NFL with the Bills, with

1446
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, the Chargers, and the Jets and others. Six

1447
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: years with the Bills, four years with the Dolphins. We

1448
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,560
Speaker 1: have former Bills plunder John Kidd on the line with

1449
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,600
Speaker 1: the Steve take it away. John you uh drafted by

1450
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,639
Speaker 1: the Bills the fifth round overall and then um played

1451
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: five years here in Buffalo five years in San Diego.

1452
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: Then he had a stint of two or three I

1453
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 1: think three years with the Miami Dolphins. You got a

1454
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: chance to get to know Don Shula pretty well. What

1455
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: are your impressions and what are your remembrances of Don Shula? Well,

1456
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: first of all, thanks for having me on you guys.

1457
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: I hope you guys are hanging in there. Um, you

1458
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: know it. Uh, I love the guy. You know, he'll

1459
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 1: definitely be missed. You know, the winning is coach in

1460
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: the NFL. You got to be pretty good all the

1461
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 1: way around at everything. But a couple of things that

1462
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: stick out to me. You know, he was legendary for

1463
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: how tough and demanding he was, and that's one hundred

1464
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: percent true. But he also treated the players like men.

1465
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: For how tough he was and hard on guys and

1466
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:51,560
Speaker 1: his expectations, he was fair and and I think he

1467
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: really knew that over the long haul, you had to

1468
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: have leadership in the locker room. You had to empower

1469
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 1: guys and and let guys, you know, have enough room.

1470
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 1: Or it wasn't just coming from the coaches, you know. Uh,

1471
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 1: he obviously created a winning culture there for a long time.

1472
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: And I think you know, back in the sixties and seventies,

1473
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: you know, kind of whatever the coach said when and

1474
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,759
Speaker 1: guys are making twenty grand and having a offseason jobs.

1475
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: And you know, by the time the nineties rolled around,

1476
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: the player attitudes were a lot different. He was able

1477
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 1: to adjust and m you know, the other thing I'd

1478
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: say is just loyalty. It's a tough business to be loyal,

1479
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 1: and as much as you could in the NFL, he

1480
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: was a very loyal guy and that carried over, you know,

1481
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 1: for players after they got done playing. He supported all

1482
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 1: of us, you know, kind of whatever you're doing, opening

1483
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 1: a restaurant, charity events. He'd show up at anything if

1484
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 1: he asked him to do it. And he was that

1485
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: way in the South Florida community too. It's he'll be uh,

1486
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: not just because he was so iconic in football, but

1487
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: he just really did a lot in South Florida for

1488
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: the community. Just great, great human being. John Kidd our guests.

1489
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: He played for Don Shula when he played with the Dolphins,

1490
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: and John, I think, if I'm doing the math right,

1491
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: you were there for Shilah's last couple of years with

1492
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins, right, You played for the last couple

1493
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 1: of games he coached there. Yeah, I was there for

1494
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: his last two years and then the first two years

1495
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 1: of Jimmy Johnson. Yeah, go ahead, remember well the last

1496
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 1: game we were talking about it earlier, the playoff wild

1497
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: card playoff loss at Buffalo. You did you kick in

1498
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 1: that game up here? You must have, right, yeah, um,

1499
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: as I remember, right. Things didn't go so well for

1500
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 1: the Dolphins that day. That's right, That's why we're talking

1501
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:45,560
Speaker 1: about it finally up here. Yea, And I think I

1502
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: remember Steve having a pretty good game, so just rubbing

1503
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 1: salt in the wounds. But uh, yeah, that was that

1504
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: was a rough day. Things that didn't go very well.

1505
01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 1: And coach Shula was was never very fast, Uh after

1506
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: a loss, you know, as as most uh most coaches

1507
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: and players are the you know, the losses are kind

1508
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 1: of tough. Uh. Did you know at the time it

1509
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: was going to be Shula's last game or did you

1510
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 1: suspect it? You know, there were there there was talk

1511
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: of it. Um, Jimmy Johnson was kind of circling around

1512
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 1: had he had moved to the Keys down to Tavernier, Florida,

1513
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: And uh there were rumors so um, you know, but

1514
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: I think Wayne Heizeng at the end of the day,

1515
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,759
Speaker 1: you know, loved Don and still thought he was capable

1516
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, I'm I'm not exactly sure

1517
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 1: how at all went down. Um, but yeah, there there

1518
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,639
Speaker 1: there was an inkling of what was about to happen. Yeah.

1519
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: And also John knot you you played for Shula. You're

1520
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:58,480
Speaker 1: right he did. Um. He was you know, well respected

1521
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 1: in Miami. But even after he retired, and he was truly, um,

1522
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: a guy who adjusted over the years. He won with

1523
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,719
Speaker 1: Larry Zonka, with Jimmy Kick and these guys I mentioned

1524
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:10,560
Speaker 1: to another guest as well. Then he ran. Then he

1525
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: won with Dan Marino, throwing it all over the yard,

1526
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,640
Speaker 1: with the Marx brothers and those kind of things. His

1527
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 1: ability to adjust over the years is something that that

1528
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: Rindy was kind of unique during his career because a

1529
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 1: lot of head coaches came and went. A lot of

1530
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: them had some success with certain teams and certain personnel,

1531
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: and they couldn't adjust as the league changed around the

1532
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: Mitschula maybe was the first and best to do that.

1533
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any doubt about that. And you

1534
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 1: think about that, you know, you have you have a

1535
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: perfect season with a team like they did play you know,

1536
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 1: playing defense and running the ball, ball control, super conservative

1537
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, then you get a guy like

1538
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: Marino and uh, you know it's easy to say like, oh, yeah,

1539
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 1: he was so talented, just you know, let him loose

1540
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 1: and uh but you know you get a perfect season

1541
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 1: and all that winning. You know, coaches, I think most

1542
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 1: they get their own system. It works, if it's not broke,

1543
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 1: don't fix it. Why do that? And uh, A lot

1544
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: of credit to him for because it was about his

1545
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 1: for the time, especially when Danny first started in the league.

1546
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: To let somebody throw the ball all over the field

1547
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 1: the way they did was a complete reversal of what

1548
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: had worked for him earlier in his career. With John Kidd,

1549
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 1: who punted for the Bills, punted for the Dolphins during

1550
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 1: his fifteen year NFL career, And for Jimmy Johnson. What's

1551
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 1: is it? Three Hall of Fame coaches head coaches? You

1552
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 1: you played for John Is that right? Well? So so

1553
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 1: Marv don Shula, Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcels. So that's that's incredible. Yeah,

1554
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:54,679
Speaker 1: we have a little poll today and let me first,

1555
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: I don't want you to compare well yeah, I want

1556
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,719
Speaker 1: you to compare Shula with Marv Levy. Kind of different styles,

1557
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 1: both very successful, both in the Hall of Fame. How

1558
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 1: are they different? How were they alike if at all?

1559
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: You know, I think the perception of Don's of Coach

1560
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: Shula's personality as far as hum, I guess, just the

1561
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: demanding side of it. They were both demanding, just in

1562
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: different ways, so, uh, you know, and the attention to

1563
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,600
Speaker 1: detail for both of them. That was one of the

1564
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 1: biggest things for Marv when he came into Buffalo and

1565
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: really changed things around for us, and uh, you know,

1566
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: and Coach Shula was right there with him. Um, I think, uh,

1567
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: I think just personality was maybe a little different. But

1568
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: a lot of the things that contributed to all the

1569
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 1: winning for Coach Hula and the four straight Super Bowls

1570
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: for Marv, and the great run that the Bills had,

1571
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of a lot of the things,

1572
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:03,799
Speaker 1: the fundamentals and the the things that caused those teams

1573
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 1: to win were very similar. And they were also You're right,

1574
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,600
Speaker 1: the personalities may have been different, there had to be

1575
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: some underwriting similarities. You also have Bill Parcels and Jimmy

1576
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 1: Johnson on your list now, Jimmy Johnson didn't enjoy the

1577
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 1: same kind of success in Miami that he had enjoyed

1578
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:26,879
Speaker 1: in Dallas. But how did how did those guys Parcels, Shula,

1579
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: Marv Levy and Jimmy Johnson? What were there? You know,

1580
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 1: when you strip everything away, what were their similarities and

1581
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 1: what made them what made them successful. It couldn't have

1582
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 1: been just that they had great players when they were

1583
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,560
Speaker 1: successful and not so great at players when they were not,

1584
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: Although that's a factor. They also had to have some

1585
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 1: coaching skills. Oh, there's no doubt about it. I can

1586
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 1: remember one of the first games that I played for

1587
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 1: the Jets coming in the locker room at halftime, and

1588
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 1: my locker was right next to the coaches locker room,

1589
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 1: and Bill Parcels went in there, and you know, there's

1590
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: some pretty serious assistant coaches, including Bill Belichick on that staff,

1591
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 1: and I can remember him at halftime going right down

1592
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: the line of assistant coaches talking about the guys at

1593
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 1: each of their positions, what what he had seen that

1594
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 1: he thought they weren't doing right, what needed to be corrected.

1595
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: It was like he was coaching every guy on the team.

1596
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 1: It was pretty unbelievable. His his perception and you know,

1597
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 1: I'd say for coach Parcels, same thing with loyalty. With him.

1598
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 1: You know, he had his guys that that moved between

1599
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: the different teams that he coached, and you know, he

1600
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 1: was a trust guy and uh, you know, if if

1601
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 1: he felt like he could trust you to perform and

1602
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 1: do the things that you were supposed to do, he

1603
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: would stick with you, even if it meant bringing you

1604
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 1: to a new team that he went to his big thing.

1605
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 1: You know, he's sounded kind of unfair. I remember we

1606
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 1: had a DV that fell down in a game and

1607
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 1: he just said, you know, DBS can't fall down. If

1608
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 1: you fall down, you can't play for me, which sounds

1609
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 1: a little harsh, but uh, you know he's like, figure

1610
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 1: it out, get longer, cleats, do whatever, but just don't

1611
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 1: fall down. And uh he uh, you always really knew

1612
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 1: where you stood with him, and I think that was

1613
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 1: that's a big part of it. It might be he

1614
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 1: might he could be pretty tough on people as well,

1615
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: but um, it was actually a good thing. You always,

1616
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the time knew exactly where you

1617
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: stood and what you needed to do to be in

1618
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 1: the good graces of the coach and play winning football.

1619
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:49,560
Speaker 1: So they all had, they all had really obviously tremendous

1620
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 1: success and and um, you know, and and all four

1621
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 1: completely different personalities but h but a lot of similarities

1622
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 1: and what it takes to win. Hey, John is a punter,

1623
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 1: a former punter in this case, we know, we know

1624
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: Marv Levy cared a great deal about special teams. Did

1625
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 1: Shulla have an interest in special teams to equal that

1626
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,719
Speaker 1: from Marv? What do you think? Yeah? He did? I don't.

1627
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would put it on the

1628
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 1: same level of Marv was another level out of all

1629
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 1: the guys. They all all four guys knew the importance

1630
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 1: of special teams and how it could turn games. But

1631
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: but Marv's direct involvement and emphasis and just really talking

1632
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: about it almost every day in front of the whole

1633
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 1: team was probably at a higher level than any of

1634
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 1: the coaches that I played for. Yeah, so, um. One

1635
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 1: of the Shula stories when I first went there, the

1636
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 1: punter who was there before me was on his way

1637
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: out and called me and said, he's like, man, I

1638
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: could hardly take it and act as coach. Shola would

1639
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 1: stand right next to me. You always made me so nervous,

1640
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I had a different out. You know.

1641
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 1: I liked that, I liked that the head coach was

1642
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,640
Speaker 1: engaged in wanting to know what was going on, and

1643
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 1: it didn't make me nervous at all. You know, special

1644
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 1: teams can can be pretty rough when there's no support

1645
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: from the head coach and uh, and it isn't a

1646
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 1: point of emphasis, it can get ugly and hurry. So uh.

1647
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 1: They all definitely realized the importance because they were all

1648
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 1: about winning. Yeah. For me, John, I you know, I

1649
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 1: played for a cup of coffee, maybe a season and

1650
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 1: a half for the Houston Oilers. Then I spent eleven

1651
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 1: and a half years in Buffalo. You were with the

1652
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:42,640
Speaker 1: Bills for a good stretcher, with the Chargers for a

1653
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 1: good stretcher, with the Dolphins for a really good stretch. Um,

1654
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 1: You've you've had a chance to to be around some

1655
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 1: some different locker rooms and and I wanted to ask

1656
01:24:54,560 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 1: you if the resemblances of the locker rooms for me,

1657
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,600
Speaker 1: it was real surprised when I got to know some

1658
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 1: of the guys from the old Dolphins teams, how grood

1659
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 1: of guys they were. And we always. I I told

1660
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 1: the story about how we had to dredge up a

1661
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 1: kind of a dislike for Don Shula because of those

1662
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 1: Miami rivalries. And then after I played for him in

1663
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl, you kind of find out he's pretty

1664
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 1: good dude, and so are the guys that play with him.

1665
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 1: What was it like for you playing for all those

1666
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: different great head coaches and the different ways they handled

1667
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 1: their locker room? Could you kind of compare and contrast

1668
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,720
Speaker 1: like that Dolphins locker room with the locker rooms other

1669
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 1: locker rooms you were in. Well, you know, I'm a

1670
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 1: little biased. I feel like we had a really unique

1671
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: group in Buffalo, including including the coaches and U and

1672
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 1: Bill Polian and the whole three of personnel and GM

1673
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:56,719
Speaker 1: guys and but but that group, you know, even even

1674
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 1: h you know, Woodie and Hojo and Budd and Abe

1675
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 1: and the family atmosphere and the group of people we

1676
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 1: had there. I you know, I put them up against

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Speaker 1: anyone m But I think the common denominator for all

1678
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 1: four coaches that I played with, UM, you know, I

1679
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe maybe not so much Jimmy Johnson, but

1680
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 1: definitely the other three really felt like the UM the

1681
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: leadership aspect of the locker room was an important piece

1682
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 1: of winning. And um that well, I I was so

1683
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 1: fortunate to play with with good guys. Um, every team

1684
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 1: I was on, we won. Unfortunately I don't have any

1685
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,560
Speaker 1: rings to show for it, but I went to the

1686
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 1: playoffs with every team that I played for, so UM,

1687
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, uh it was. It was a good culture

1688
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 1: in the locker room for sure. Hey, John, thanks coming

1689
01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 1: on today with us to talk about coach Shuler. We

1690
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Good to hear from you. Hey, good

1691
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 1: talking with you guys. Thanks Jack, Take care man, talk

1692
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 1: to you soon. John Kidd fifteen seasons in the NFL,

1693
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 1: played for the Bills and played for the Dolphins. Talking

1694
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 1: about the death today early today of Don Shula, former

1695
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 1: head coach, Hall of Fame coach of the Miami Dolphins.

1696
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 1: We'll talk more about that. We'll take your phone calls

1697
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,839
Speaker 1: when we return. Eight h three oh five fifty outside

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01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 1: Buffalo toll Free one eight eight eight five fifty two

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Speaker 1: five fifty one Bills Live presented by Collada Health. This

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01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 1: is Buffalo Bills Radio one Bills Live presented by Collatda Health.

1701
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 1: John Murphy Steam Camps. We're going Bill Tree. Today, we

1702
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 1: got Mario Addison, Bill's defensive end free agent signee coming

1703
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 1: up after the top of the hour. Our question of

1704
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 1: the day deals with which opposing coach tormented you as

1705
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 1: a Bills fan the most over the year. We got

1706
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 1: a Twitter pull up about it. As you know by now,

1707
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 1: Don Shula passed away today at the age of ninety.

1708
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: Never it's the game to the Bills in the nineteen seventies.

1709
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:05,520
Speaker 1: So as a Bills fan, which opposing head coach tormented

1710
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 1: you the most? On the tweet sheet presented by Corrigan

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01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:11,679
Speaker 1: Moving Systems is pretty good response from Bobby Goudy. He says,

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01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 1: Shula frustrated me, Valiche torments me. Okay, I get that.

1713
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 1: It's a good way to put it. Tom. Yeah. Tom

1714
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 1: comes comisky, says, oh for the seventies, what more to

1715
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 1: Bills fans need to know? Those who lived through it?

1716
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: It still hurts. It still hurts. And David Carpenter has

1717
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 1: a is an inaccurate but at least a kind of

1718
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:41,679
Speaker 1: a funny response reck Ryan, He says, ruined the sec

1719
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 1: leading defense, which you do a three four? No, we're

1720
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:47,639
Speaker 1: talking about opposing coaches. Yeah, there's plenty of those who

1721
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 1: go around. Yeah, but Shula frustrated me. It was more

1722
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 1: than frustration, Steve and I lived through it as a

1723
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: fan in the seventies. It was much more than frustration,

1724
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 1: you know, it was. And the Dolphins were good, and

1725
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:03,600
Speaker 1: they were good, and they had Hall of famers on

1726
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 1: that roster, but they weren't. You ever looked at him

1727
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: and said, oh, look at that collection of talent? What

1728
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 1: you looked at? What Shula? He said? What does he

1729
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 1: do to this group to get them to play? So? Well,

1730
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 1: you know, that's the market. I guess. I said it

1731
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 1: a ton back in the early nights before I kind

1732
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:18,800
Speaker 1: of got to know him, and well, even after I

1733
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 1: got to know him, you know, I say, how is

1734
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: it possible that Shula comes up here with Dan Marino

1735
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 1: and a bunch of guys and are so tough to beat?

1736
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's him, It's Marino and and Don Shula

1737
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 1: and nobody else and we can you know, and they're

1738
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 1: all we can handle, you know. And it happened year

1739
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 1: after year, you know, season after season, and he just

1740
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:47,679
Speaker 1: got the most out of the guys on his roster,

1741
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 1: And uh, I always always felt like that is what

1742
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 1: he was the first really you know, opposing coach. I thought, Wow,

1743
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 1: that's a guy that gets how to be a really

1744
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 1: good coach. He gets the most out of whoever he has,

1745
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 1: and he never asked them to do anything they're not

1746
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 1: good at doing. And I remember thinking that too. Our

1747
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 1: coaches made the same observation. We're gonna goin to play

1748
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:14,599
Speaker 1: him again, and they say, listen, you've got they've got

1749
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 1: these guys like Lewis Oliver, they got this guy, they

1750
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 1: got that guy, you know us talking about their defense,

1751
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 1: he goes, they can't do this or this or this,

1752
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 1: But unfortunately the Dolphins never asked him to do that stuff,

1753
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 1: you know. And as a result, we I know what,

1754
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 1: we know what they're going to be in on these situations,

1755
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 1: but I don't know if we can beat them because

1756
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 1: they're only doing what they do best, right, So that

1757
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 1: was our that was our challenge. If they were limited

1758
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 1: with personnel, they would only ask those personnel, those guys

1759
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: on their team to do what they did best. And

1760
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 1: if it meant they had a limited menu of defensive calls,

1761
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 1: so be it. You're gonna have to beat that defense

1762
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 1: with them playing you in what they always did best.

1763
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:57,679
Speaker 1: And it was really, really a great philosophy for Don Shula.

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01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 1: They want more games anybody else, any other head coach

1765
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:03,680
Speaker 1: in the NFL. And he was the first guy I

1766
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 1: ever remember thinking, man, that's a great idea. Why yeah?

1767
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: And he won all those games because of it. Yep,

1768
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 1: Sula played in the NFL, obviously played for the Cleveland Browns,

1769
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:16,719
Speaker 1: went to college right down the road to John Carroll

1770
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 1: University in Cleveland. Obviously played Well, there's just a different era.

1771
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 1: I mean, Shelba is one of those guys who sort

1772
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:24,599
Speaker 1: of spans a couple of eras, don't you think, Steve

1773
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 1: and he coached into the nineties, right right until nineteen

1774
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:30,640
Speaker 1: ninety five. And he didn't coach in the modern and

1775
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:34,559
Speaker 1: by that I mean this century era, but his tenure

1776
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:36,679
Speaker 1: as a coach and as a player spanned a couple

1777
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 1: of years of NFL football. I think we had John

1778
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 1: Kidd on just this last segment. The simple fact that

1779
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 1: matters this murf. It's hard for coaches to last in

1780
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 1: the NFL for that long because the game changes every year.

1781
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 1: Every season, it evolves a little bit and a little

1782
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 1: bit more, and pretty soon, you know, think about guys

1783
01:31:56,400 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 1: like Chuck Knox, think about guys like Joe Bugle. Guys

1784
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:05,600
Speaker 1: who didn't didn't evolve with the game. They lasted and

1785
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 1: had some success and then they were out of it.

1786
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 1: You know, they'd get a decade in and then they

1787
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't be good anymore. The only coaches who lasted like that,

1788
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:19,720
Speaker 1: like Bill Belichick, like Don Shula, like Tom Landry, Chuck

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01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,439
Speaker 1: Chuck Noll. The coach or the coaches who could evolve

1790
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,600
Speaker 1: with the game. And it's not an easy thing to do.

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01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:29,800
Speaker 1: It's not an easy thing to do. All right, We're

1792
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 1: gonna take your break. Care when we come back. Mario Addison,

1793
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 1: Bill's defensive end free agent signing from a month ago,

1794
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 1: will join us on the line first chance we get

1795
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 1: to talk with him. So come on back to that.

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Speaker 1: It's One Bill's Line, presented by Colt of Health Radio

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01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 1: Only Today. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio Hills Radio Network

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01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 1: Sports Update. The update from One Bill's Live Sad news

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01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 1: from the National Football League Today. The Miami Dolphins longtime

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Speaker 1: coach Don Shula passed away today. The NFL's winning This

1801
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 1: coach led the Dolphins to the league's only undefeated season.

1802
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 1: He died today at the age of ninety peacefully at home.

1803
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 1: According to a statement issue by the Dolphins, he won

1804
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 1: an NFL record three hundred forty seven games, including playoff games,

1805
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 1: coached the Dolphins to the league's only undefeated season in

1806
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, repeated as champions the next season and all.

1807
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 1: Shula guided the Dolphins to five Super Bowls and won

1808
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 1: three of them. He coached the Baltimore Colts before that,

1809
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 1: and he took them to the Super Bowl, they lost

1810
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:32,360
Speaker 1: to Joe Namas team. By the time he resigned as

1811
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 1: Dolphins coach after the nineteen ninety five season, Shula had

1812
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:38,719
Speaker 1: been an NFL head coach for thirty three years, twenty

1813
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 1: six of those years with Miami, and only two of

1814
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 1: his Dolphins teams finished below five hundred during those twenty

1815
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 1: six seasons. Don Shula passed away today at the age

1816
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 1: of ninety. NFL has called off its annual International Series

1817
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 1: games in London in Mexico City. The league told teams

1818
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 1: about their decision today. A full seventeen game regular season

1819
01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 1: schedule should come out later this week. Andy Dalton, released

1820
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,559
Speaker 1: by the Cincinnati Bengals Thursday, agreed to a one year

1821
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 1: deal with the Dallas Cowboys Saturday. The base value of

1822
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 1: the deal three million dollars, could be up to worth

1823
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 1: up to seven million dollars. Dalton is a native of Texas,

1824
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:15,560
Speaker 1: played at TCU in Fort Worth, Texas. He lives in

1825
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 1: Dallas as a home. They're still the Bears have declined

1826
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 1: the fifth year option on quarterback Mitchell Trobisky for the

1827
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:24,639
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one season. They made that announcement on Saturday

1828
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:27,599
Speaker 1: as well, and the National Hockey League is aggressively making

1829
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 1: its case to skeptical teams that holding the twenty twenty

1830
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 1: entry Draft before a restarted season is essential. The league

1831
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 1: says they have to do it in order to make

1832
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:38,640
Speaker 1: sure the teams have a way to plan for their

1833
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 1: new players. Bill Daily, NFL NHL Deputy Commissioner, says the

1834
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:45,760
Speaker 1: league is concerned that if it's able to complete this

1835
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:48,639
Speaker 1: season the summer, holding the draft or in a truncated

1836
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 1: offseason before the twenty twenty one twenty twenty one season

1837
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 1: starts in December would be asking a lot. They're talking

1838
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:57,560
Speaker 1: about June fifth as a potential go date for the

1839
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 1: NHL Entry Draft. Interesting. There you go. That is the

1840
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 1: update from one Bill's Line, presented by Kalada Health. John

1841
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 1: Murphy's team task. You are ready for our number three

1842
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 1: and we're gonna be talking with Mario Addison in a

1843
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 1: moment or two. Is the Bills one of the Bills

1844
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:12,640
Speaker 1: free agent signings? Steve? What do you think of that? How?

1845
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 1: How can they? I guess they can do it, But

1846
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 1: they have a draft before the prior season is officially completed,

1847
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 1: like he's talking about. That would be bizarre, wouldn't it.

1848
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah a little bit if it depends on how real

1849
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 1: finishing this season is. You know, they think they want

1850
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 1: to do it. They haven't closed the books on it.

1851
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 1: But by the same token, you've got a group of

1852
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:39,840
Speaker 1: kids that are the right age that are coming out,

1853
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 1: and what are you gonna do? Throw them in with

1854
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 1: the next class or have a draft in six months

1855
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 1: and then two months after that have another draft. So

1856
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 1: there's that to think about as well. You know, So

1857
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 1: if they want to have a draft for every year,

1858
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 1: they got to do it sometime. And I know it's funky,

1859
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:01,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, interesting interesting problems though that is causing

1860
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 1: for the schedules and these other and the other pro

1861
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 1: sports leagues. Yeah, we're reminded of how fortunately the National

1862
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: Football League is as far as timing is concerned, they

1863
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:13,680
Speaker 1: have time to get ready for these uh weird circumstances,

1864
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 1: no question about that. It is one of Bills Life

1865
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 1: presented by Kalaida Health. Joining us on the line right now.

1866
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:21,400
Speaker 1: One of the Bills free agent signings, Mario Addison signed

1867
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:23,559
Speaker 1: a three year deal with the Buffalo. He came into

1868
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 1: the league a while ago, is an undrafted rookie, and

1869
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 1: now he's getting set to play with the Buffalo Bills.

1870
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 1: Mario Addison on the line with us home on Mario

1871
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 1: John Murphy's team tasker here in Buffalo. Thank you very

1872
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 1: much for coming on. I'm glad to be a guy.

1873
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 1: Where are you staying right now? Mario? Are you? Where

1874
01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:40,600
Speaker 1: are you living? And how are you How are you

1875
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 1: passing the time during the lockdown? That's not for me.

1876
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 1: I'm in Barmela, Alabama, my hometown, so i m kind

1877
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 1: of live on sober Barmel, a little bit called Gardendale, Alabama. Yeah, man,

1878
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm just from the find ways stay offloat if they

1879
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 1: set to jails down, um I had to find other ways,

1880
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:04,479
Speaker 1: you know, staying say as far as I work out

1881
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 1: at home now and um I go use the local

1882
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 1: high school football fields. You know, like the conjection myself.

1883
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:16,960
Speaker 1: But wasn't that man to find a way? Yeah, you were,

1884
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 1: um quoted a couple of weeks ago as saying how

1885
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 1: difficult it was to get used to a new team,

1886
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 1: Marill not knowing the Buffalo Bills, not knowing who your

1887
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 1: new teammates would be, kind of trying to meet everybody virtually,

1888
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:31,160
Speaker 1: you know through the um the video team meetings they had.

1889
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:34,280
Speaker 1: How's that gone? Is that getting any better for you? Um?

1890
01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 1: You know it was, like I said, it was very

1891
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:39,679
Speaker 1: different when I first started. Um, not all the means

1892
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 1: for everyone. But um, it's been it's been too. It's

1893
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:46,240
Speaker 1: been very fun and interesting. And um, you know the

1894
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 1: D line, you know, talking about the D line every day.

1895
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:51,680
Speaker 1: You know I'd already, um I felt you know, the

1896
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 1: bund that we're gonna have and so far, you know,

1897
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:56,760
Speaker 1: all these guys are eager, they're hungry, and you know,

1898
01:37:57,240 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 1: we all participating, you know, every day, trying to get

1899
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,599
Speaker 1: out and having eachet out and man, it's phenomenal. Man.

1900
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 1: And it's like I said, Man, it's fun more than

1901
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:08,280
Speaker 1: anything to baby, you know, so video chat everybody at

1902
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:13,559
Speaker 1: one time and still get things done and I love. Yeah,

1903
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 1: that's really the curveball has been thrown into this. Plus

1904
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:20,760
Speaker 1: it's it's showing what is possible. I guess, is is

1905
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 1: there anything about this, uh, this pandemic lockdown and the

1906
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 1: sequestering that everybody's going through, particularly in the off season

1907
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 1: for the NFL, Is there anything about this that you

1908
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 1: think will be carried forward, like everybody's ability or desire

1909
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:37,439
Speaker 1: to to touch base with their coaches more often in

1910
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 1: the off season if even if they can't get together

1911
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:43,880
Speaker 1: in person. This right here's up allowed you, like you

1912
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:47,360
Speaker 1: just said, allowed for everyone to be you know, reach

1913
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 1: out and touch base with that coach at any time now.

1914
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:54,479
Speaker 1: So this right here, what we're doing now is paving

1915
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:56,840
Speaker 1: the way for the future too as well. And it's

1916
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 1: kind of polls. This is proving tough that it's capable.

1917
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 1: You can do this, you know what I'm saying. But UM,

1918
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:05,320
Speaker 1: like I say, it's fine man during these every day

1919
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:08,879
Speaker 1: and um having to work out, you know, um compete

1920
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 1: to get each other purchased. As I say, coach, we

1921
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:14,760
Speaker 1: got the arm like scrapping the conditioning. Why you know

1922
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 1: we got to um, you know, show the coaches that

1923
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:19,720
Speaker 1: we had to working out of teams and it's um,

1924
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 1: it's fine, man, I'm the line with Murray or Addison

1925
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:27,519
Speaker 1: builds defensive and Murray. I wondered the decision to sign

1926
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:31,000
Speaker 1: with Buffalo. How much of it was familiarity with Eric Washington,

1927
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:35,200
Speaker 1: now the new defensive line coach here, familiarity with mcdermotter Bean,

1928
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:37,639
Speaker 1: Was that part of your decision to come to Buffalo

1929
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:41,519
Speaker 1: a month ago? More? Definitely? More definitely, man, Um, those

1930
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:43,880
Speaker 1: guys are some great coaches. You know. I was with

1931
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 1: those guys when I was you know, younger, and they

1932
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:49,240
Speaker 1: kind of you know, they development into the player that

1933
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:53,320
Speaker 1: I am to date. And um also Brandon Bean as well.

1934
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 1: When I was with the Reds Kids, uh French squad,

1935
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:58,760
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean, he brought me from home, the Reds kid

1936
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:03,320
Speaker 1: friend of Bulad Fred got the Frantic squad to Carolina

1937
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:05,519
Speaker 1: and you know the rest of being history. But I

1938
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:08,280
Speaker 1: learned from those guys. Man. Not only do those guys

1939
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:11,519
Speaker 1: you know try to you know, develop you a getting

1940
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:13,960
Speaker 1: you ready for you know, football, they also getting you

1941
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:17,360
Speaker 1: ready for life two um and manhood. And that's why

1942
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:20,400
Speaker 1: I always say, if I wanted to play for somebody,

1943
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:23,440
Speaker 1: it would be the old guys because they always installed

1944
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:27,880
Speaker 1: those fundamental One of the things about that jumped out

1945
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:30,640
Speaker 1: at Bills fans when you signed here in Buffalo was

1946
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 1: a fat You go back four years, You've got nine,

1947
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:36,560
Speaker 1: nine to ten to eleven sacks every single year the

1948
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:40,120
Speaker 1: last four years. It's been a really consistent stretch for

1949
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:42,720
Speaker 1: you in your career. What do you think was the

1950
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:47,080
Speaker 1: difference in your career when you started getting you know,

1951
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:50,800
Speaker 1: averaging nine and a half sacks a year, uh, consistently

1952
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:52,719
Speaker 1: for the last four years. What was the big difference

1953
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:56,120
Speaker 1: that made that possible or made that happen for you? Um,

1954
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 1: the big difference And this is guy, and it's truth.

1955
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:03,480
Speaker 1: The opportunities you know, Um, you don't get the opportunities

1956
01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:05,400
Speaker 1: to even get on the fire and play and show

1957
01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:08,760
Speaker 1: that you're capable of doing things. You're nubl gating. So

1958
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 1: show God you fit and for me, if you don't

1959
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:16,800
Speaker 1: grow easier, for you're dying. And it's hard and saying

1960
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:21,360
Speaker 1: this football league without producing. And I always was talking like,

1961
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:24,720
Speaker 1: you know, it don't matter what you did last there,

1962
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 1: that don't mean anything. It's all about what you can

1963
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:29,880
Speaker 1: do for me now. So you know, the more opportunities

1964
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 1: I got, you know, do out easier. I try to,

1965
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, improve myself and show the guys that are

1966
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:38,840
Speaker 1: worthy of it and push myself and that that we

1967
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 1: made a difference. I try to outdo myself each year

1968
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:44,360
Speaker 1: and I always put it in the back of my

1969
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:46,639
Speaker 1: head the things that I have done, because you don't

1970
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:50,960
Speaker 1: mean anything the next year. Marry. Your career has been

1971
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 1: interesting to say the least, and you bounce around the

1972
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:56,080
Speaker 1: four different teams your first couple of years. What got

1973
01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:58,400
Speaker 1: you settled in in Carolina? You've been there for a while.

1974
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:00,960
Speaker 1: What what was around you Carolina or what did you

1975
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 1: do differently at Carolina that got you settled in and

1976
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:08,120
Speaker 1: allow you to have a successful NFL career. Um, you know,

1977
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:11,800
Speaker 1: Carolina that had faith in me, and that go back

1978
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:14,320
Speaker 1: to when I was saying opportunities. They gave me opportunity

1979
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 1: and they see that I was the guy that they

1980
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:19,800
Speaker 1: can develop, and you know, they stayed with me. And

1981
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:22,639
Speaker 1: I learned too when I was on different teams, when

1982
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:25,559
Speaker 1: a team don't have anything invested in you, you really

1983
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:28,000
Speaker 1: do mean hit a thing for them. And I had

1984
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:30,080
Speaker 1: to learn that the hard way. Like I was doing,

1985
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:32,120
Speaker 1: I was the guy that did everything right. I was

1986
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:34,680
Speaker 1: earder for me. I bought my ass every day and

1987
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:36,720
Speaker 1: I did everything and coach told me to do. And

1988
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:39,000
Speaker 1: then that wasn't good enough. And I learned that good

1989
01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:42,639
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough. So when I finally got an opportunity

1990
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 1: in Carolina, I made the best of it, and I

1991
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:46,719
Speaker 1: told coach I played in the wall in the field

1992
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:49,280
Speaker 1: I start out in my career. I played Spence team,

1993
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:52,439
Speaker 1: and I dominated Spence teams a big guy. So I

1994
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:54,640
Speaker 1: was waiting on my time. But really a song that

1995
01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:57,040
Speaker 1: I could play, you know you from the end. So

1996
01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 1: I had to wait, you know, many hills until I

1997
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 1: even can get on the field and compete with guys.

1998
01:43:02,479 --> 01:43:05,360
Speaker 1: So thold I did. I just kept doing the best

1999
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:07,640
Speaker 1: black off and they allowed me to do whatever they

2000
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:09,639
Speaker 1: allowed me to do. I did the best of my business.

2001
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:13,600
Speaker 1: You know. In some ways, Marry Or, your career is

2002
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:16,040
Speaker 1: a bit of a reflection of a guy who just

2003
01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:18,400
Speaker 1: left the Bills, just retired from the NFL. I don't

2004
01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:19,880
Speaker 1: know if you've ever heard of it, met him, but

2005
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Alexander bounced around the change positions, made his name

2006
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 1: on special teams, and all of a sudden he became

2007
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 1: a really important part of the Buffalo defense. Do you

2008
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:30,719
Speaker 1: know Lorenzo or do you know anything about this story?

2009
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:33,400
Speaker 1: I know a lot about Lorenzo. I played with him

2010
01:43:33,439 --> 01:43:37,360
Speaker 1: all when I was with durans Can and Um. He

2011
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:40,439
Speaker 1: was one of those guys, the veteran guys that he

2012
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:43,000
Speaker 1: loved to help up. And he was one of the

2013
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 1: guys I talked about, you know what I'm saying, like

2014
01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:46,960
Speaker 1: to a couple of guys that you know, you always

2015
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:49,599
Speaker 1: got to find that guy. You try to mold your

2016
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:52,720
Speaker 1: something too. You're trying to find those guys that want

2017
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:54,640
Speaker 1: to help you, and he's one of the guys that

2018
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:57,760
Speaker 1: you know helped me along the way. One of the

2019
01:43:57,840 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 1: things that happened to you in Carolina that got your

2020
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:03,520
Speaker 1: opportunity to play, I would imagine was when Sean McDermott

2021
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:07,160
Speaker 1: was the defensive coordinator and you know you played for

2022
01:44:07,240 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 1: a year under him. At least tell me your impressions

2023
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:12,600
Speaker 1: of him as a defensive coordinator and what are you

2024
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:16,400
Speaker 1: expecting with him as a head coach, um as a

2025
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:20,280
Speaker 1: as a coordinator man, he always fired up up like

2026
01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 1: hands down. Every means, we ain't spent nothing different from him.

2027
01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:28,200
Speaker 1: Every means Koe McDermand came in. Uh and one thing

2028
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 1: about him what I love about it, he's gonna super

2029
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:32,360
Speaker 1: code nothing. He don't care who he is. He ain't

2030
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:34,840
Speaker 1: gonna supercoder. So he got in. He told us to

2031
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:37,200
Speaker 1: show he show. He showed us a good thing. He

2032
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:39,560
Speaker 1: showed us the bad game, and he currents out do

2033
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:42,760
Speaker 1: I always do better. And he stayed on his fundamental

2034
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:45,280
Speaker 1: no matter how bad or a good day he was

2035
01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:49,000
Speaker 1: we had. His fundamental was the same that this, that

2036
01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:51,840
Speaker 1: this that he hadn't thought that um. Like I said,

2037
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:54,679
Speaker 1: he's a leader on an off the field. Koe mcdernald

2038
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:56,640
Speaker 1: always been that guy that you know he wanted the

2039
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:59,679
Speaker 1: best for everybody. He wanted everybody so you know it's

2040
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:03,120
Speaker 1: saying and everything they do. That's why. That's why he

2041
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:05,439
Speaker 1: was one of the big influence on me. Were signing

2042
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:09,200
Speaker 1: the Buffalo, what are you? I know, you don't know

2043
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:10,880
Speaker 1: when you'll be up there, but when you come up there,

2044
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 1: what are some of the things you want to do?

2045
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:15,320
Speaker 1: I mean, meet your teammates obviously, but you gotta be

2046
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:17,760
Speaker 1: going crazy. Just signed with this new team, another team

2047
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:19,800
Speaker 1: in your NFL career and you haven't been able to

2048
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:23,280
Speaker 1: get up there yet Mario, Um, the first thing I do,

2049
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do it fine as to find one

2050
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:28,680
Speaker 1: to live there. Then, like you said, it goes all

2051
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:31,040
Speaker 1: of my teammates, you know, kind of explored the city.

2052
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:33,360
Speaker 1: You know, goo teams back and falls, and they stayed

2053
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:35,280
Speaker 1: to run towards right across the bridge. You know, I

2054
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:36,519
Speaker 1: want to get it. I want to get a look

2055
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 1: a glymph of that too. So you know, it's a

2056
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:40,639
Speaker 1: lot of good things in Buffalo too as well, other

2057
01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:42,920
Speaker 1: than you know, playing for the Bills. But playing for

2058
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:45,320
Speaker 1: the Bills is number one. You know, that allowed me

2059
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 1: to do everything else you do one for playing for

2060
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:51,000
Speaker 1: the Bill. So it's gonna be very interesting. Well, you

2061
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 1: mentioned that you had been a teammate of Lorenzo Alexander's

2062
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:57,760
Speaker 1: earlier in your career. You played for Sean McDermott when

2063
01:45:57,800 --> 01:45:59,920
Speaker 1: he was a defensive coordinator in Carolina. You were all

2064
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:03,400
Speaker 1: so teammates with Jerry Hughes when you're when you were

2065
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:06,320
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis for a cup of coffee. You've got some

2066
01:46:06,439 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 1: familiar faces along with Bank Brandon Bean, You've got some

2067
01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:12,560
Speaker 1: familiar faces waiting for you here in Buffalo. And and

2068
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:16,160
Speaker 1: how much of that is gonna help you when you

2069
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 1: get on the field. Sean McDermott's system. The teammates that

2070
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:23,599
Speaker 1: you have to lean on, you anticipate that will help

2071
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 1: you hit the ground running once things do get going. Yes,

2072
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:30,040
Speaker 1: are more definitely. Um, like you said, I got a

2073
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:33,519
Speaker 1: teammates Thereki, I got like Jerry hughes Man when I

2074
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:35,840
Speaker 1: was when I was trying to find my way in

2075
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:37,240
Speaker 1: the league. You know, he was, he was, he was

2076
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:41,840
Speaker 1: young too. Um was with the coach. I was gonna

2077
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:45,800
Speaker 1: go find somewhere to live and Jeff Jarry told me, Um,

2078
01:46:46,720 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 1: it's gonna let me bro. And that's what I did.

2079
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:53,320
Speaker 1: I stay with Jerry. I'm until I end up on

2080
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:56,800
Speaker 1: to another team. And Jerry was so cool and so

2081
01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:59,800
Speaker 1: humble that I even offered, you know, like to try

2082
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:02,160
Speaker 1: to pay rent or pay bill, and he turned it

2083
01:47:02,200 --> 01:47:06,360
Speaker 1: down the whole time. And this one guy, man, I'm

2084
01:47:06,479 --> 01:47:09,760
Speaker 1: very grateful that I met and we stayed in touch,

2085
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 1: you know, throughout our whole career. And you know when

2086
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:15,560
Speaker 1: we we we played against different teams. You know what

2087
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying, we'll call each other and talk about you

2088
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:19,960
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, to talk or whatever, you know,

2089
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:22,080
Speaker 1: try to help each out out, give each other points

2090
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:25,320
Speaker 1: because we are men. Darren played, um, we similar sound,

2091
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:29,040
Speaker 1: we built it, We built real similar and we're very Atlantic,

2092
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:32,040
Speaker 1: so you know, we try to all coach it chelled

2093
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:34,639
Speaker 1: up on what to do against guys. You know that's

2094
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Speaker 1: entirely lay bigger than us and maybe be a little stronger,

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Speaker 1: and how to out maneuver guys and when to use

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Speaker 1: plowed son men. Darren trying to talk about everything, So

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to be able to compete against him on

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Speaker 1: the side, on the side of jail and mury. I

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Speaker 1: thank for this hanging there, good looking. We hope to

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Speaker 1: meet you soon. Thank you for coming on with us today.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you guys. Thanks Mario. Mario Addison defensive

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Speaker 1: end signed by the Bills three year deal. He'll be

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Speaker 1: three years old this September. Looks like he still has

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Speaker 1: something to give and it is kind of reminiscent of Lorenzo,

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Speaker 1: isn't Steve. Lorenzo was an undrafted rookie when he came

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Speaker 1: into the league, bounced around to a lot of different teams,

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Speaker 1: settled in eventually, and when he retired last year, he

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Speaker 1: was an important part of what the Bills did I

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Speaker 1: think looking for a similar track from Mario Addison would

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Speaker 1: be a positive for the Buffalo Bills. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: so too. I think particularly you know, he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: he's gonna he's long in the two, no question. But

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Speaker 1: he's got a lot of experience. And it wasn't until

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Speaker 1: the last thing, I don't know, maybe last six or

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Speaker 1: seven years where he started to take off, when he

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Speaker 1: started to get more more opportunities, like he said, in

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Speaker 1: the last four years that he claims and rightfully so.

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Speaker 1: When guys get opportunities, they start to flourish, and that's

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Speaker 1: what happened to Mario. And he had nine and a half,

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Speaker 1: eleven nine, nine and a half, all these sacks in

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Speaker 1: the last four years. That's a pretty good stretch. And

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Speaker 1: whatever he's got left, you can tell by talking to

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Speaker 1: him and his enthusiasm, gonna give it to the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 1: It'll be fun to watch him play. Yep, there you go.

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Speaker 1: Thanks very much to Mario Addison for joining us. All Right,

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Speaker 1: we'll take a break. It is One Bill's Live, presented

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Speaker 1: by a Lot of Health, John Murphy, Steve tamp Now

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break. Just yet, do we Steve,

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Speaker 1: that's too word. Now, we got a few minutes left.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's push to the bottom of the hour. And

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Speaker 1: and and so we got some other stuff we got

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Speaker 1: to talk about here. I gotta it was gonna bring

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Speaker 1: up Mario Addison's he's in here. It's because he's He's

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Speaker 1: one of those guys that you know, you talked to

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Speaker 1: like Pro Football Focus, you go to the analytics place,

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01:49:32,920 --> 01:49:34,800
Speaker 1: and they pooh pooh him. They were and they were,

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Speaker 1: you know, shooting down the Bills signing him as it

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Speaker 1: was a bad deal because he's thirty three, because for

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Speaker 1: whatever reasons, And man, I don't I don't agree. I'm

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Speaker 1: really excited about him and about his still his potential

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Speaker 1: to be a really good Buffalo Bill at this stage

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Speaker 1: of his career. And I don't know if any other

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Speaker 1: people out there, if any of our listeners agree with that. Um,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm excited about that. I think Mario Addison,

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Speaker 1: along with Vernon Butler, along with along with the other

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Speaker 1: free agent signings they've got, I just I'm really optimistic

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Speaker 1: about their their defensive front this year. And maybe I'm

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Speaker 1: out to lunch on this, but you know, even Quinton

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Speaker 1: Jefferson from Seattle is a big body, dude. I just

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Speaker 1: think the Bills have really done a nice job in

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Speaker 1: keeping the quality of their defensive line and their and

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01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:37,920
Speaker 1: their production, and they're just there, their big body, their size.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're just upgraded. I think I think they

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Speaker 1: got better this offseason. Now. I don't know if they'll

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Speaker 1: be better next year with all these same guys, but

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Speaker 1: I think they are going to be this this year,

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Speaker 1: and I have full faith that they'll be able to

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Speaker 1: keep it going in the years to come. I just

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Speaker 1: I'm just really up on this defense, and particularly the

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Speaker 1: defensive front. Well, it's a defense that we're familiar with.

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Speaker 1: The more importantly, it's a defense that most of the

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Speaker 1: players are familiar with, right, And I think that's what

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Speaker 1: has me encouraged. I don't know about you, the fact

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Speaker 1: that we know what to expect, we know, we know

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Speaker 1: what the standard is. They've set a standard for themselves,

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Speaker 1: and I think they'll try to match it better. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but they very well could be. I think

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Speaker 1: they have a standard that they've set that they'll try

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Speaker 1: to match it this year. Right, I don't, Yeah, I agree,

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Speaker 1: I agree. I think there's a there's a high bar

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Speaker 1: there for these guys. I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys who hold each other accountable, who are there for

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Speaker 1: each other, who try to, you know, help each other

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Speaker 1: play better, give each other what they need to play better,

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Speaker 1: that are in it, you know, for everybody, not just themselves.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I just have a really

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Speaker 1: good feeling. The prop of is Murph. We got to

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Speaker 1: make sure that there's a season, But I feel really

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Speaker 1: good about this one. If it can happen, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? I know, I mean it's funny and

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Speaker 1: not for another and I know it's kind of that

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01:51:50,439 --> 01:51:53,200
Speaker 1: that woe is Me attitude that when someone wouldn't it

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Speaker 1: be unbelievable the Bills put together a Super Bowl roster

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01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:59,679
Speaker 1: and then there's no season. You know, that's a typical

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01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:02,840
Speaker 1: woe is me attitude. I don't think that's going to happen,

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Speaker 1: but man, old man, I really like where that what

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Speaker 1: they've done with the squad this year, and I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to see him play. By all indications, look, the

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Speaker 1: league's going to release a full sixteen game schedule this

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Speaker 1: week at some point, probably later in the week. Now.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to hold themselves to say here's the

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Speaker 1: games that we're playing him. But they are moving ahead

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Speaker 1: as if they're gonna have a sixteen game schedule. It

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Speaker 1: seems like that's the way the league's going. Steep issues

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Speaker 1: like will there be fans there, how will the games

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Speaker 1: i'll be conducted, that sort of thing, we don't have

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Speaker 1: answers to that. Nobody has answers to that, and there's

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Speaker 1: no need to have an answer here in the month

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Speaker 1: of May for those questions. But they're pushing ahead to

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Speaker 1: get a sixteen game regular season going, and they're talking

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Speaker 1: about starting it when it would normally start September tenth. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right, and not for nothing, but that's the way

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Speaker 1: it should be for right now. We've gotten May, June, July, August,

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Speaker 1: four months until you know, training camp in the preseason

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Speaker 1: would even begin. So let's wait for couple of two

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Speaker 1: three months before we ever get any ideas about it

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01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:06,400
Speaker 1: and see how the rest of the country peaks and

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01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:11,200
Speaker 1: valleys with a pandemic, and they will make some decisions

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Speaker 1: maybe down the road, and maybe the decisions will be

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Speaker 1: self evident. Maybe they'll say, listen, we can't do it.

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Speaker 1: It's just not going to happen. You know, or maybe

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Speaker 1: it'll say, well, yeah, it's let's go for it. Who

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Speaker 1: knows it's I think the whole spectrum of all of

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Speaker 1: that is still on the table. Peter King, in his

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Speaker 1: Football Morning in America column today, wrote about these issues,

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01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:32,599
Speaker 1: had a couple of good points. For one, he says,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why they're pushing ahead to release this

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Speaker 1: sixteen game schedule this week. What's the rush I have

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01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:42,200
Speaker 1: disagree with them, I don't disagree enough to make an

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Speaker 1: issue of, but I think the league probably wants to

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Speaker 1: maintain a sense of normalcy, and there may be business

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Speaker 1: reasons to unveil a sixteen game regular ski regular season

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Speaker 1: here in the first second week of May. The other

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01:53:55,160 --> 01:53:57,719
Speaker 1: thing he said is that this will be a challenge

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Speaker 1: for the league, and it's a challenge they can't answer today.

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Speaker 1: But look, every state's in a different situation now. Erie

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Speaker 1: County is different than Jersey where the Jets and Giants play,

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Speaker 1: different than California as far as the extent of the

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Speaker 1: pandemic and as far as what the local regulations are,

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Speaker 1: And nobody has an answer yet what it's going to

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Speaker 1: be like here in September or California in September or

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Speaker 1: Texas or Seattle, Denver, Colorado. But it does add uncertain

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Speaker 1: to do it. And that's what Peter King wrote about today.

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Speaker 1: It's just hard to imagine everybody being on the same

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Speaker 1: page within what four months now, September tenth, Thursday Night

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Speaker 1: football would be the first game, So you got basically

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Speaker 1: four months to get a season together. And right now,

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Speaker 1: with every state kind of handling things differently and every

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Speaker 1: state in a different situation, it's hard to imagine that

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Speaker 1: coming together. But we'll see it could. Like I've said,

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Speaker 1: I think there's no reason to do anything different until

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Speaker 1: you're forced to do something different. Just keep moving ahead

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01:54:55,960 --> 01:55:00,200
Speaker 1: and let other leagues and let the political leader and

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01:55:00,280 --> 01:55:04,080
Speaker 1: the doctors and the medical leaders set the parameters, and

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01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:06,080
Speaker 1: then in a couple of months, see where you sit

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Speaker 1: and see how much and if there's gonna have to

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01:55:08,680 --> 01:55:11,040
Speaker 1: be changes or if you have to prepare yourself for

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01:55:11,200 --> 01:55:13,640
Speaker 1: changes even though they haven't been implemented, then you can

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Speaker 1: start changing your routine. Then they've already changed their offseason schedule.

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Speaker 1: There's no OTAs, no mini camps, no on site workouts.

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01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:26,080
Speaker 1: The facilities are all closed all across the league. That's

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01:55:26,160 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 1: the only concession the NFL has absolutely been forced to make,

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01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:32,960
Speaker 1: and it has not been that big a deal because

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01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:38,080
Speaker 1: it's the offseason that obviously is gonna have to change

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Speaker 1: if they want to play football, and it's gonna have

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Speaker 1: to change almost one hundred and eighty degrees. So as

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Speaker 1: it right, as it goes right now, there's no way

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01:55:48,200 --> 01:55:50,760
Speaker 1: they could play today. But they don't have to play today.

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01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:53,840
Speaker 1: It's mid September that we're talking about, and the world

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01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:56,840
Speaker 1: can look very different, just like it's looked very different

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Speaker 1: since March or a. You know, we're February. All right,

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Speaker 1: we got a break coming up here. We'll take more

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Speaker 1: phone calls and we return eight oh three h five

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Speaker 1: fifty outside Buffalo toll free call one eight eight eight

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Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty. Got a nice interesting Twitter

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Speaker 1: poll that's getting lopsided response, but it's getting a lot

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Speaker 1: of response. Twelve hundred votes in which coach, which opposing

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01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:23,840
Speaker 1: head coach tormented you the most as a Bills fan?

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Speaker 1: And Bill Belichick eighty three percent I've responded and say

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Speaker 1: he's the one. Eight percent say Jimmy Johnson, only six

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Speaker 1: percent say Don Shula, who passed away today, Three percent

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Speaker 1: say build ourselves. Let's hear from me. Give us a

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Speaker 1: call and we'll discuss. We'll read more from the tweet

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Speaker 1: sheet as well when we return. It's one of those

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Speaker 1: live presented by Collat of Health. This is Buffalo Bills Radio,

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01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:48,920
Speaker 1: John Murphy's de Tasch Here. You better leave. It's radio only.

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Speaker 1: Someday we'll get back on the msg ET simulcast. Well

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Speaker 1: you think, Steve, I do? I think? I think we

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Speaker 1: probably will. I don't know. What do you think's on

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Speaker 1: MSG when we're not there? That's a good question. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, hobb the old Knicks games or something. Right?

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Speaker 1: The best of one Bill's live shows from two years ago.

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Speaker 1: We'll give a bay. We're doing the show from our homes, guests.

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01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:11,720
Speaker 1: We're on the radio only, and we're here until three o'clock.

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01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:13,760
Speaker 1: We've had a good show today with Mario Addison, with

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Speaker 1: John Kidd, Dame Jackson, Gary Gramling, and I'd like today's show.

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Speaker 1: We've covered a lot of territory. Much of it is

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01:57:20,040 --> 01:57:23,320
Speaker 1: coaching talk. With the untimely passing of Don Shula, we're

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Speaker 1: asking folks, as a Bills fan, which head coach tormented

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Speaker 1: you the most. We've got twelve hundred votes in our

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01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:33,040
Speaker 1: Twitter poll, Bill battle Chick is the outright leader eighty

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Speaker 1: three percent. I just don't I don't know if it

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01:57:35,360 --> 01:57:38,120
Speaker 1: doesn't resonate with me, not that he leads, but just

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01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:40,280
Speaker 1: that he leads by so much. Only eight percent say

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01:57:40,720 --> 01:57:43,400
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson, who won a couple of Super Bowls against

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Speaker 1: the Bills. Only six percent say Don Shula, and only

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Speaker 1: three percent say Bill Parcels. I thought, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Is that a function of Twitter being young people? I

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Speaker 1: guess how Steve, I don't know, I think so. I

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01:57:55,640 --> 01:57:58,400
Speaker 1: think it's the fact that Don Shula, you know, retired

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01:57:58,520 --> 01:58:01,480
Speaker 1: twenty five years ago too. You know, that's a long time,

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01:58:02,160 --> 01:58:04,720
Speaker 1: a long time, and he's just not on the consciousness

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01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:06,480
Speaker 1: of a lot of a lot of Bills fans at

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01:58:06,520 --> 01:58:09,240
Speaker 1: this point in history. And I guess it's up to

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01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:12,160
Speaker 1: us old guys to inform him just how good this

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01:58:12,320 --> 01:58:16,480
Speaker 1: guy was. Yeah, he was good. He was good, winning

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01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:19,440
Speaker 1: his coach in NFL history Hall of Fame coach. We

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01:58:19,560 --> 01:58:22,880
Speaker 1: got Twitter responses to this on the tweet sheet brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Cargan Moving Systems. We ask, as a

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01:58:25,240 --> 01:58:27,720
Speaker 1: Bills fan, which opposing head coach tormented you the most

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01:58:28,200 --> 01:58:31,320
Speaker 1: easy says I hated Jimmy Johnson for those two Super Bowls.

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01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:34,560
Speaker 1: I respected Shula and Belichick. Well that's the way to

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01:58:34,600 --> 01:58:37,400
Speaker 1: answer it. I guess respect for Shula and Belichick and

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01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:39,880
Speaker 1: hate for Jimmy Johnson. That's one thing that comes out

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01:58:39,920 --> 01:58:43,360
Speaker 1: of today's Bowl. Yeah. I know I underestimated how much.

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01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:45,840
Speaker 1: I guess because he's been on TV and he never

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01:58:46,040 --> 01:58:48,720
Speaker 1: really says anything on TV, and I don't pay attention

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01:58:48,720 --> 01:58:51,120
Speaker 1: to him when he's on TV on Fox, I know,

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01:58:51,320 --> 01:58:53,400
Speaker 1: do you? I mean, who pays attention to Jimmy Johnson.

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01:58:53,720 --> 01:58:55,760
Speaker 1: You look at his hair and you admire his hair,

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01:58:55,840 --> 01:58:57,880
Speaker 1: and then you say, oh, oh, look at he's not

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01:58:57,960 --> 01:59:01,000
Speaker 1: as quite as goofy as Terry Bradshaw. But I didn't

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01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:05,160
Speaker 1: know there's that much enmity towards Jimmy Johnson. And it does, says,

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01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, it was the way he won the Super Bowls,

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01:59:07,120 --> 01:59:09,400
Speaker 1: but also the way he finished off with the Dolphins, right,

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01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:12,400
Speaker 1: ripping up fluty flakes and all that stuff. I get it. Yeah,

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01:59:12,440 --> 01:59:14,600
Speaker 1: that's true too. From and another one on the tweet

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01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:16,720
Speaker 1: sheet from Nick. He says that exact thing, that's the

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01:59:16,840 --> 01:59:20,760
Speaker 1: fact that Jimmy Johnson coached Miami as well, would probably

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01:59:20,920 --> 01:59:23,760
Speaker 1: be it. Recall, he coached Miami and played the Bills

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01:59:23,800 --> 01:59:25,960
Speaker 1: in the playoffs in ninety eight, tearing up the flute

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01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:29,000
Speaker 1: Flakes box, and that was after beating the Bills in

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01:59:29,080 --> 01:59:33,280
Speaker 1: two Super Bowls with the Cowboys. So yeah, Jimmy's has

2334
01:59:34,080 --> 01:59:36,000
Speaker 1: I think for me as well as you. Murph has

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01:59:36,120 --> 01:59:41,240
Speaker 1: unexpectedly stirred up some some passion from from Bills fans,

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01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:43,240
Speaker 1: and good for them. I agree with him. That's a

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01:59:43,280 --> 01:59:46,440
Speaker 1: great answer. He was he was. He wasn't just the

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01:59:47,000 --> 01:59:50,040
Speaker 1: Super Bowl coach against the uh the Bills. He was

2339
01:59:50,280 --> 01:59:52,520
Speaker 1: with the Dolphins too, and beat him in the playoffs

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01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:55,200
Speaker 1: that year. Ye from New York Sports Biz, the only

2341
01:59:55,320 --> 01:59:59,560
Speaker 1: right answer is Bill Belichick two decades of absolute destruction

2342
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:03,720
Speaker 1: and DC the Giants in the Super Bowl loss. RP.

2343
02:00:03,880 --> 02:00:07,800
Speaker 1: Don Shula. Okay, and from Steve on the tweet sheet,

2344
02:00:07,800 --> 02:00:10,240
Speaker 1: I've been a fan since the late seventies, so seeing

2345
02:00:10,360 --> 02:00:13,240
Speaker 1: Shula and Belichick dominate us over the years, and then

2346
02:00:13,360 --> 02:00:16,120
Speaker 1: US beating Shula up in the nineties, I'd say Belichick.

2347
02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:18,160
Speaker 1: But now that I'm older, I sit back as a

2348
02:00:18,200 --> 02:00:20,200
Speaker 1: fan of the game and say, wow, we got to

2349
02:00:20,280 --> 02:00:24,400
Speaker 1: watch some true legends of the game. Appreciation for those

2350
02:00:24,440 --> 02:00:26,880
Speaker 1: true legends, those opposing coaches who had their way with

2351
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:30,360
Speaker 1: the Bill. Yeah, appreciation for watching true legends of the

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02:00:30,440 --> 02:00:32,680
Speaker 1: game and being stuck in the same division the two

2353
02:00:32,760 --> 02:00:37,000
Speaker 1: greatest coaches in the history of the game. Yeah that's yeah, thanks,

2354
02:00:37,120 --> 02:00:39,520
Speaker 1: but no thanks, you know, put me in the other conference,

2355
02:00:39,560 --> 02:00:42,160
Speaker 1: in a different division next time, right, Yeah, I'm just

2356
02:00:42,240 --> 02:00:45,040
Speaker 1: surprised that there's not Shula doesn't get more regardless tormenting

2357
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Speaker 1: the Bills. Look, we're not talking about George Hallis here, right,

2358
02:00:48,440 --> 02:00:49,920
Speaker 1: I mean, all right, I get it if you don't

2359
02:00:49,960 --> 02:00:52,200
Speaker 1: remember or don't recall what George Hallis would do, not

2360
02:00:52,280 --> 02:00:54,880
Speaker 1: against the Bills but against anybody. But I don't know.

2361
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:57,360
Speaker 1: Maybe Shila's more alive to me than he is. Well,

2362
02:00:57,680 --> 02:01:00,640
Speaker 1: no pun intended, but my memories of Sula are much

2363
02:01:00,680 --> 02:01:04,840
Speaker 1: more vivid, even though he hasn't coached in twenty five years. Yeah,

2364
02:01:05,120 --> 02:01:06,880
Speaker 1: maybe I'm living in the past, even am I living

2365
02:01:06,880 --> 02:01:08,440
Speaker 1: in the play. Here's the thing, though, I mean, you

2366
02:01:08,520 --> 02:01:12,240
Speaker 1: think about it, It's what would happen if the Bills

2367
02:01:12,280 --> 02:01:16,160
Speaker 1: beat the Patriots an Orchard Park and beat Belichick, and

2368
02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:18,720
Speaker 1: it would be okay, the people would go crazy like

2369
02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:20,560
Speaker 1: they did in the thirty one to three game when

2370
02:01:20,840 --> 02:01:23,320
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the of the season back in

2371
02:01:23,640 --> 02:01:25,720
Speaker 1: I can't even remember what oh three oh four was it.

2372
02:01:27,160 --> 02:01:29,200
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but you know, okay, but that was

2373
02:01:29,280 --> 02:01:31,800
Speaker 1: early on in the tenure. Even now, I can't see

2374
02:01:31,880 --> 02:01:33,640
Speaker 1: fans just going over the loop. But listen to it,

2375
02:01:33,720 --> 02:01:36,160
Speaker 1: and this will remind you something of what it was

2376
02:01:36,240 --> 02:01:38,720
Speaker 1: like when the Bills finally beat the Dolphins. From Richard

2377
02:01:38,760 --> 02:01:41,080
Speaker 1: He says, I was around when Shula's Dolphins dominated the

2378
02:01:41,120 --> 02:01:45,520
Speaker 1: Bills in the seventies. Opening Day nineteen seventy nine, Tom

2379
02:01:45,640 --> 02:01:48,320
Speaker 1: Dempsey missed the chip shot field gold that could have

2380
02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:51,400
Speaker 1: won it for the Bills. The following year, opening Day,

2381
02:01:51,440 --> 02:01:54,640
Speaker 1: the Bills finally beat them, and the fans tore down

2382
02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:58,520
Speaker 1: the gold posts. So you think about this generation, what

2383
02:01:58,600 --> 02:02:01,160
Speaker 1: would it take for fans to storm the field and

2384
02:02:01,200 --> 02:02:03,840
Speaker 1: tear down goalposts. That's the kind of passion that the

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02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:06,840
Speaker 1: Dolphins stirred up in the Bills back in the day. Yeah,

2386
02:02:07,240 --> 02:02:10,920
Speaker 1: so put yourselves in that sense. And I don't know

2387
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:12,680
Speaker 1: whether it's a different time in history or whatever, but

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02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't know that the Bills fans would tear down

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02:02:14,600 --> 02:02:17,040
Speaker 1: the goal post if we beat the Patriots, right, And

2390
02:02:17,200 --> 02:02:21,440
Speaker 1: that's that kind of passion and that kind of fervor

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02:02:21,520 --> 02:02:24,120
Speaker 1: to beat the Dolphins is what I immediately go to.

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02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:26,840
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying Shilda is the right answer here,

2393
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:30,040
Speaker 1: but he's He's the third highest polling number on our

2394
02:02:30,080 --> 02:02:32,800
Speaker 1: Twitter poll. Six percent say he's the head coach who

2395
02:02:32,840 --> 02:02:35,320
Speaker 1: torment of the Bills most. Well, those people who storm

2396
02:02:35,440 --> 02:02:38,720
Speaker 1: the field that day in nineteen eighty would would disagree

2397
02:02:38,760 --> 02:02:40,760
Speaker 1: with that. I think in a great deal, right, they say, no,

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02:02:40,840 --> 02:02:43,760
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? This guy, this team Dolphins seventies.

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02:02:43,800 --> 02:02:47,600
Speaker 1: We finally beat him in in nineteen eighty September nineteen eighty. Hey,

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02:02:47,720 --> 02:02:50,160
Speaker 1: let's let's switch gears a little bit. Let's do a

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02:02:50,200 --> 02:02:53,240
Speaker 1: little NFL true or false? Ready for true or fall steam? Sure?

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02:02:53,840 --> 02:02:56,200
Speaker 1: NFL trur or false brought to you by Yancey's fancy

2403
02:02:56,280 --> 02:02:59,680
Speaker 1: New York shardism Chiefs. First one is a layoup true false.

2404
02:02:59,760 --> 02:03:03,120
Speaker 1: D Locke and John Elway were the biggest benefactors from

2405
02:03:03,200 --> 02:03:05,160
Speaker 1: round one of the draft a couple of weeks ago.

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02:03:05,680 --> 02:03:08,960
Speaker 1: That's false. Come on, yeah, what do they get? They

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02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:12,240
Speaker 1: got Jared Judy, which is very nice. Maybe the best

2408
02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:15,120
Speaker 1: receiver by far in this maybe by far in this draft.

2409
02:03:15,240 --> 02:03:17,880
Speaker 1: Certainly a guy he's here. People are looking at him

2410
02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:21,800
Speaker 1: like they did with Julio Jones, with AJ Green, DeAndre Hopkins.

2411
02:03:21,880 --> 02:03:24,520
Speaker 1: They think Jody Judy might be that kind of receiver.

2412
02:03:24,680 --> 02:03:27,080
Speaker 1: That's great, But they didn't have three first round picks

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02:03:27,160 --> 02:03:30,160
Speaker 1: like the Miami Dolphins did and grabbed their franchise quarterback.

2414
02:03:30,520 --> 02:03:33,040
Speaker 1: And an offensive tackle is going to be there forever

2415
02:03:33,160 --> 02:03:38,000
Speaker 1: in a corner. So I'm yeah, the Broncos got a

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02:03:38,040 --> 02:03:39,960
Speaker 1: good pick in the first round, no question about it.

2417
02:03:40,480 --> 02:03:41,840
Speaker 1: But then we had one pick and there are other

2418
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:45,760
Speaker 1: teams that just outweighed them to sheer volume, and but

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins being one of them. That's false. Here's one

2420
02:03:48,840 --> 02:03:52,040
Speaker 1: part two NFL True or false. The Eagles drafting Jalen

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02:03:52,160 --> 02:03:56,240
Speaker 1: Hurts in the second round was a great move. I'm

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02:03:56,240 --> 02:03:58,320
Speaker 1: gonna go false. What's so great about that? Bills wait

2423
02:03:58,400 --> 02:04:00,240
Speaker 1: until the fifth round? Got a better deal a guy

2424
02:04:00,320 --> 02:04:03,240
Speaker 1: who you know, maybe a pretty decent quarterback, Jake Frown.

2425
02:04:03,280 --> 02:04:06,000
Speaker 1: Why is Jalen Hurts? They got a quarterback in Philadelphia?

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02:04:06,040 --> 02:04:09,080
Speaker 1: Are they not committed to him? I don't understand that. JA, Yeah,

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02:04:09,080 --> 02:04:10,840
Speaker 1: I don't think that was a great move in the

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02:04:10,920 --> 02:04:15,760
Speaker 1: second round. I think it. I think it stirs up

2429
02:04:15,840 --> 02:04:22,080
Speaker 1: problems maybe at that high a pick um. Certainly Carson

2430
02:04:22,120 --> 02:04:25,440
Speaker 1: Wentz is not going anywhere. Um. I don't know what

2431
02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:27,320
Speaker 1: they get out of it. Certainly he didn't help He's

2432
02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:29,640
Speaker 1: not gonna help him win this year. Unless the benches

2433
02:04:29,680 --> 02:04:32,840
Speaker 1: car Carson Wench wins. I don't so I'm saying no,

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02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:37,200
Speaker 1: that's for this year. I don't think he can bend

2435
02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:40,080
Speaker 1: it that way. I don't either. And finally, NFL true

2436
02:04:40,120 --> 02:04:44,280
Speaker 1: or false positionless Isaiah Simmons a glimpse at the future

2437
02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:46,320
Speaker 1: of the NFL. I'm going false on that one too.

2438
02:04:46,400 --> 02:04:50,080
Speaker 1: He's an outlier, he is unique, and he does have

2439
02:04:50,160 --> 02:04:52,919
Speaker 1: a position. He'll be playing linebacker for the Arizona Cardinals,

2440
02:04:53,440 --> 02:04:54,880
Speaker 1: even though he can play a little bit on the

2441
02:04:54,920 --> 02:04:57,440
Speaker 1: back end and run around a little bit. But is

2442
02:04:57,480 --> 02:04:59,560
Speaker 1: he the future of the NFL? Not unless he can

2443
02:04:59,640 --> 02:05:01,440
Speaker 1: clone you know, one hundred more like him. No, I

2444
02:05:01,480 --> 02:05:06,560
Speaker 1: don't think so. I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say true

2445
02:05:07,120 --> 02:05:10,480
Speaker 1: only because he's that type of athlete, and I'm sure

2446
02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:13,000
Speaker 1: that we've seen other types of other athletes like him.

2447
02:05:13,480 --> 02:05:16,720
Speaker 1: But guys, who I think it's not so much about

2448
02:05:16,720 --> 02:05:19,120
Speaker 1: the individual in his athleticism. I think it's more about

2449
02:05:19,240 --> 02:05:21,760
Speaker 1: the way he prepared and way he was used at

2450
02:05:21,800 --> 02:05:25,280
Speaker 1: the college ranks. He was a safety, he was a linebacker,

2451
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:28,040
Speaker 1: he was he was an outside linebacker, inside light, you know,

2452
02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:30,320
Speaker 1: he played all these places. He was a slot corner.

2453
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:33,720
Speaker 1: I think the type of athlete he's a little bit

2454
02:05:33,880 --> 02:05:36,480
Speaker 1: like Jamal Adams. You know, they were starting to see

2455
02:05:36,600 --> 02:05:39,760
Speaker 1: guys like that, and they're gonna start to be bigger

2456
02:05:40,160 --> 02:05:43,200
Speaker 1: and more athletic and just as fast. So those kind

2457
02:05:43,240 --> 02:05:45,160
Speaker 1: of athletes are always going to have a place in

2458
02:05:45,240 --> 02:05:49,720
Speaker 1: the NFL, no question. Like you say, Murph, when they

2459
02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:52,160
Speaker 1: start churning out six or seven of these guys a year,

2460
02:05:52,960 --> 02:05:54,920
Speaker 1: then I'll believe it. But I don't think these guys

2461
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:57,200
Speaker 1: come along all that often. But it is he's a

2462
02:05:57,280 --> 02:05:59,480
Speaker 1: different cat, no question about it. Yeah, I don't think

2463
02:05:59,480 --> 02:06:02,720
Speaker 1: he represent it's the future of them though. He's think, Yeah,

2464
02:06:02,760 --> 02:06:04,680
Speaker 1: if they could change, if they could churn out twenty

2465
02:06:04,720 --> 02:06:07,440
Speaker 1: guys like him a year, yeah, no question. But you

2466
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:09,920
Speaker 1: know that he's too much of a singular athlete. I

2467
02:06:10,000 --> 02:06:13,200
Speaker 1: think there you go. NFL True false brought you about

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02:06:13,280 --> 02:06:16,040
Speaker 1: Yancey's fancy New York's artists in cheese, all right to

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Speaker 1: break right here, and then we're coming back. One Bill's line,

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Speaker 1: presented by a lot of health. This is Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 1: What have we learned from today's show? Brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Skyworks, the official construction equipment rental company of the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. What have we learned? Good question. Gary Gramling

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Speaker 1: joined us from Sports Illustrated. He is their senior editor.

2475
02:06:44,080 --> 02:06:46,520
Speaker 1: He likes the fact that the Bills the Bills traded

2476
02:06:46,600 --> 02:06:49,120
Speaker 1: for Stefan Diggs. I think he'll be the perfect fit

2477
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:52,520
Speaker 1: for Josh Allen. Here's Gary Gramling. I think Diggs is

2478
02:06:52,640 --> 02:06:57,720
Speaker 1: so underrated at the catchpoint, especially downfield. He is so

2479
02:06:57,920 --> 02:07:01,200
Speaker 1: good tracking the ball downfield. I think he's just absolutely

2480
02:07:01,240 --> 02:07:04,360
Speaker 1: perfect for Josh Allen. And you wish they had a

2481
02:07:04,440 --> 02:07:07,560
Speaker 1: full offseason, But I mean, my goodness, I would not

2482
02:07:07,680 --> 02:07:10,080
Speaker 1: regret that deal for a second. I realized everyone's looking

2483
02:07:10,080 --> 02:07:14,000
Speaker 1: at what DeAndre Hopkins was traded for and saying, well,

2484
02:07:14,280 --> 02:07:15,840
Speaker 1: why did they give up so much more for Diggs?

2485
02:07:17,080 --> 02:07:19,680
Speaker 1: Like you said, Steve contracts so much better and he

2486
02:07:19,880 --> 02:07:24,520
Speaker 1: really is absolutely perfect for Josh Allen. That's Gary Grambling

2487
02:07:24,760 --> 02:07:27,160
Speaker 1: from Sports Illustrated and also on the Show Today Steve

2488
02:07:27,240 --> 02:07:30,240
Speaker 1: former teammate former Bill Spinner John Kidd, who played for

2489
02:07:30,360 --> 02:07:33,480
Speaker 1: Don Shula, played for Marv Levy, also played for Bill

2490
02:07:33,600 --> 02:07:37,200
Speaker 1: Belichick and or No I'm Sorry, Bill Parcels and Jimmy

2491
02:07:37,280 --> 02:07:39,960
Speaker 1: Johnson four Hall of Famers. John Kidd shared some of

2492
02:07:40,000 --> 02:07:42,800
Speaker 1: his memories of Don Shula with us when he joined

2493
02:07:42,840 --> 02:07:46,760
Speaker 1: us on the Show Today. I love the guy. You know,

2494
02:07:46,880 --> 02:07:50,520
Speaker 1: he'll definitely be myth. You know, the winning is coach

2495
02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:52,920
Speaker 1: in the NFL. You gotta be pretty good all the

2496
02:07:53,000 --> 02:07:55,440
Speaker 1: way around at everything. But a couple of things that

2497
02:07:55,560 --> 02:07:58,600
Speaker 1: stick out to me. You know, he was legendary for

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02:07:58,720 --> 02:08:01,120
Speaker 1: how tough and demanding he was, and that's one hundred

2499
02:08:01,160 --> 02:08:05,200
Speaker 1: percent true. But he also treated the players like men

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02:08:06,560 --> 02:08:09,720
Speaker 1: for how tough he was and hard on guys and

2501
02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:14,240
Speaker 1: his expectations. H he was fair and and I think

2502
02:08:14,280 --> 02:08:16,720
Speaker 1: he really knew that over the long haul, you had

2503
02:08:16,720 --> 02:08:18,600
Speaker 1: to have leadership in the locker room. You had to

2504
02:08:18,680 --> 02:08:22,240
Speaker 1: empower guys and let guys, uh, you know, have enough

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Speaker 1: room where it wasn't just coming from the coaches. Good

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02:08:28,680 --> 02:08:31,200
Speaker 1: point by John Kid, Steve and No, I guess we

2507
02:08:31,280 --> 02:08:33,480
Speaker 1: all knew that dun Shielder was tough, but I got

2508
02:08:33,520 --> 02:08:36,160
Speaker 1: the sense from talking to kid and listening to others

2509
02:08:36,200 --> 02:08:38,560
Speaker 1: today that dun Shilder was all He was a players coach.

2510
02:08:38,600 --> 02:08:40,960
Speaker 1: No matter how you spent it, he was a players coach.

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02:08:41,040 --> 02:08:43,320
Speaker 1: He listened to his players, right, Yeah, I think he did.

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02:08:43,400 --> 02:08:45,240
Speaker 1: I think he was one of those coaches that had

2513
02:08:45,280 --> 02:08:47,200
Speaker 1: his finger on the pulse of his players in the

2514
02:08:47,320 --> 02:08:50,160
Speaker 1: locker room and he never lost that. And I think

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02:08:50,240 --> 02:08:52,240
Speaker 1: that what we said a couple of times as well,

2516
02:08:52,360 --> 02:08:55,200
Speaker 1: is that he had he changed with the times. Um

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02:08:55,360 --> 02:08:58,120
Speaker 1: he won a Super Bowl running the grinding the football out,

2518
02:08:58,200 --> 02:09:01,000
Speaker 1: throwing the football like ten times a game, eleven times

2519
02:09:01,040 --> 02:09:03,200
Speaker 1: a game, and just running it with Larry Zonka and

2520
02:09:03,320 --> 02:09:05,320
Speaker 1: Jim Kick. And he also threw it. He didn't win

2521
02:09:05,320 --> 02:09:06,920
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl doing it, but he won a lot

2522
02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:09,640
Speaker 1: of games with Dan Marino airing it out with the

2523
02:09:09,720 --> 02:09:13,120
Speaker 1: Marx brothers. And I think his ability and willingness to

2524
02:09:13,320 --> 02:09:17,240
Speaker 1: change philosophies and do what his players dictated he did

2525
02:09:17,320 --> 02:09:20,600
Speaker 1: with their skills, I think that says he could have

2526
02:09:20,720 --> 02:09:22,800
Speaker 1: He could probably coach today if he was young enough

2527
02:09:22,840 --> 02:09:24,880
Speaker 1: and wanted to do it. He's that kind of guy.

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02:09:25,520 --> 02:09:29,000
Speaker 1: I'm reading quotes our buddy Armando Salgaro, who he had

2529
02:09:29,000 --> 02:09:31,240
Speaker 1: on the show last week, talked with All of Fame

2530
02:09:31,320 --> 02:09:35,840
Speaker 1: quarterback Don Bob Greasy about Don Shula today, and here's

2531
02:09:35,840 --> 02:09:38,840
Speaker 1: what Greasy said on Shula. While he started out as

2532
02:09:38,880 --> 02:09:41,240
Speaker 1: my coach, over time he became more than that. He

2533
02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:44,000
Speaker 1: became a mentor and even better with a great friend.

2534
02:09:44,680 --> 02:09:47,880
Speaker 1: Greasy continued, it was more than just a coach player relationship.

2535
02:09:48,160 --> 02:09:50,800
Speaker 1: We had a personal bond that included our families that

2536
02:09:50,960 --> 02:09:53,520
Speaker 1: only two close friends could share. I cherished that part

2537
02:09:53,600 --> 02:09:55,320
Speaker 1: of my time with Coach Shula as much as the

2538
02:09:55,400 --> 02:09:58,920
Speaker 1: championships we went together. It's pretty cool, you know the

2539
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:01,840
Speaker 1: players think of him like that. Yeah, and it gives

2540
02:10:01,920 --> 02:10:04,320
Speaker 1: it harkness. Is what I found out about him when

2541
02:10:04,360 --> 02:10:07,400
Speaker 1: I played for him for just a week. Um, he

2542
02:10:07,560 --> 02:10:10,720
Speaker 1: was he was a guy that was very welcoming of friendships.

2543
02:10:10,720 --> 02:10:13,120
Speaker 1: And like our buddy John, my buddy John Kidd told

2544
02:10:13,200 --> 02:10:16,080
Speaker 1: us her in the show, Don Shula was very loyal

2545
02:10:16,400 --> 02:10:18,520
Speaker 1: to the guys who had played for him, not even

2546
02:10:18,640 --> 02:10:20,880
Speaker 1: not just while they were playing, but years after they

2547
02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:23,680
Speaker 1: were finished playing. And that's that's a pretty good quality

2548
02:10:23,760 --> 02:10:26,600
Speaker 1: to have people talk to associate with you. Yeah, I

2549
02:10:26,720 --> 02:10:29,280
Speaker 1: like that the story that John Kidd talked, well, it

2550
02:10:29,320 --> 02:10:31,200
Speaker 1: wasn't a story per se, but he said, hey, if

2551
02:10:31,240 --> 02:10:33,160
Speaker 1: you had some kind of charity event you asked coach

2552
02:10:33,200 --> 02:10:35,200
Speaker 1: Shula to show up, even if you were done playing

2553
02:10:35,200 --> 02:10:37,600
Speaker 1: with the Dolphins, he'd show up. He was a he

2554
02:10:37,760 --> 02:10:40,240
Speaker 1: was a he was a cultural icon in Miami. Right,

2555
02:10:40,280 --> 02:10:44,080
Speaker 1: there's expressways named after him. Obviously, there's restaurants named after him.

2556
02:10:44,120 --> 02:10:47,320
Speaker 1: But he is a cultural icon in Miami. And you'd

2557
02:10:47,360 --> 02:10:49,480
Speaker 1: just show up at your fundraiser if you needed him, right,

2558
02:10:49,760 --> 02:10:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm you know how that is, Murphy. We've all we've

2559
02:10:52,840 --> 02:10:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, we've all been at fundraiser stuff. And to

2560
02:10:55,120 --> 02:10:59,880
Speaker 1: have somebody with the juice of Don Shula show up

2561
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:02,920
Speaker 1: at your you know, at your your little foundation or

2562
02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:06,720
Speaker 1: whatever charity function you had, even the people who were

2563
02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:09,800
Speaker 1: working with a charity, uh, you know, in regards to

2564
02:11:09,840 --> 02:11:12,320
Speaker 1: the player and everything, everybody just had to be ecstatic

2565
02:11:12,400 --> 02:11:15,280
Speaker 1: that a guy like Don Shula would be there. And yet,

2566
02:11:15,560 --> 02:11:18,120
Speaker 1: as you've seen, he would be and probably on a

2567
02:11:18,200 --> 02:11:22,000
Speaker 1: regular basis. That's pretty special for a guy to do that.

2568
02:11:22,200 --> 02:11:25,320
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, we know we here in Western

2569
02:11:25,360 --> 02:11:27,240
Speaker 1: New York, we have our own iconic figures like Jim

2570
02:11:27,360 --> 02:11:29,600
Speaker 1: Kelly and Marv Levy and Bruce and those guys. Don

2571
02:11:29,680 --> 02:11:34,880
Speaker 1: Shula is that to a t in Miami and has

2572
02:11:34,960 --> 02:11:37,160
Speaker 1: been for a long long time. You know what we

2573
02:11:37,280 --> 02:11:39,880
Speaker 1: never talked much about, Steve was the Andy Dalton signing

2574
02:11:39,920 --> 02:11:41,800
Speaker 1: by the Dallas Cowboys. We got about a minute to

2575
02:11:41,840 --> 02:11:42,920
Speaker 1: go here. What did you make of that? What do

2576
02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:46,280
Speaker 1: you think? It's it's typical. And I read the article

2577
02:11:46,320 --> 02:11:48,120
Speaker 1: I read reminded me of some things that there have

2578
02:11:48,200 --> 02:11:52,000
Speaker 1: been a long line of old veteran quarterbacks who have

2579
02:11:52,240 --> 02:11:56,200
Speaker 1: been a backup in Dallas. Bernie Kozar comes to mind. Uh,

2580
02:11:57,880 --> 02:12:01,720
Speaker 1: Steve Burline comes to mind. There's been a ton of

2581
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:04,080
Speaker 1: Danny White. There's been a ton of guys who have

2582
02:12:04,160 --> 02:12:06,680
Speaker 1: spent some time in Dallas who had some pretty good pedigrees.

2583
02:12:06,720 --> 02:12:09,520
Speaker 1: And Andy Dalton falls into line with that. And if

2584
02:12:09,600 --> 02:12:12,440
Speaker 1: they need him, the guy can play well, and he'll

2585
02:12:12,480 --> 02:12:14,560
Speaker 1: play well for him if they call on him. I

2586
02:12:14,640 --> 02:12:16,760
Speaker 1: guess I didn't know that he had a house in

2587
02:12:16,800 --> 02:12:18,960
Speaker 1: the Dallas area. I know he was a Texas native.

2588
02:12:20,080 --> 02:12:23,040
Speaker 1: It's good for the Cowboys too, it you know, Look,

2589
02:12:23,120 --> 02:12:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure they'd rather have Dak Prescott. They want Dak

2590
02:12:25,680 --> 02:12:27,560
Speaker 1: Prescott to sign. They want him to be there for

2591
02:12:27,760 --> 02:12:30,160
Speaker 1: a while. But it does send a message, you know.

2592
02:12:30,200 --> 02:12:32,640
Speaker 1: It's a shot across the bow for Dak Prescott, like, hey,

2593
02:12:33,120 --> 02:12:35,200
Speaker 1: if you're not signed, if you're thinking about holding out,

2594
02:12:35,520 --> 02:12:37,640
Speaker 1: we got a backup plan here, right. It does for

2595
02:12:37,800 --> 02:12:40,520
Speaker 1: that reason as well as others. It is a good

2596
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:42,440
Speaker 1: thing for the Dolphins or for the Cowboys to make

2597
02:12:42,520 --> 02:12:45,840
Speaker 1: that move. And it's nothing more than the Cowboys saying, hey, listen,

2598
02:12:45,920 --> 02:12:48,080
Speaker 1: this league's rolling on with or without you. You can

2599
02:12:48,160 --> 02:12:51,160
Speaker 1: jump on board with us, Dak, or we're gonna practice

2600
02:12:51,320 --> 02:12:54,240
Speaker 1: and play with somebody else. All right, So there we go.

2601
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Speaker 1: We'll talk more about Andy Dalton with the Cowboys tomorrow show.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank our production assistance Kelly Rude, JJ Turito,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Cart, James Robel, our board Ops Today, Breton Wilson,

2604
02:13:04,680 --> 02:13:07,160
Speaker 1: and Joe de Biassi. Our producer Jay Harris join us

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Speaker 1: tomorrow at twelve noon for one Bill Slide presented by

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Speaker 1: Kalada Health. This is Buffalo Bills Radio.