1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: Wow, what is Welcome to another edition of the NFL 2 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Show. It's me your man, nam G Marcus Grant, 3 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: fully vaccinated and happy to be getting outside on occasion now. 4 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: It's has been certainly very nice as always a fun 5 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: show for your producer. Justin is by our side, and 6 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: he is I'm sure doing backflips still internally because his 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: Titans landed Julio Jones over the weekend. I know that 8 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: he was very excited about that when we were talking 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: in slack and stuff earlier, so I'm sure he is 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: still like having his own little emotional party about the 11 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: whole thing, although he did say the Dallas Mavericks getting 12 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: bounced in the playoffs sort of brought him back to 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: earth because as a sports fan, we're not allowed to 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: have nice things, so that's sort of how that goes. UM. 15 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: But as always, we continue sort of our cavalcade of 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: stars around the fantasy industry as we do every summer. 17 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: And excited to talk to a guy that I love 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: chatting with. Uh We don't get to chat enough and 19 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: so I'm happy to have him on. It is from 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: Fantasy Pros, the one and only Mike Tagliere. Uh A 21 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: new resident of the state of Tennessee. Mike, how are things? 22 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: Oh man, I wish they I wish I could say 23 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: they were better. The state's fantastic. The move to here 24 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: has been great. However, after the show today, I'm not kidding. 25 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna be done with the show and I'm 26 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: gonna go get a rip canal because that's that's my 27 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: life right now as an older man. Uh No. But 28 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: in reality, it's kind of like, I feel like this 29 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: is the Jordan flu game. I'm I'm getting through it. 30 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna gut through it because I wouldn't miss this show. 31 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I would not just a chance to talk 32 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: with you, Marcus. Appreciate that, man? Uh it was Is 33 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: it actual fluid that somebody sends you bad pizza? Uh? 34 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: The night before? Oh man? That mean no, this one, 35 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: it was just a crack tooth that led to all 36 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: of a sudden, It's like there's a nerve expose and 37 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, you need to get to the dentist 38 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: like a sap. So if I'm like grabbing my face 39 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: during half of this, you know why, I I will 40 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: understand no problem. Uh Well, we'll try to make this 41 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: as painless as possible, at least from from our end 42 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: of it, and we wish you the best the luck 43 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: with the whole tooth situation. Obviously, the big news, as 44 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: I mentioned, is the Julio Jones trade. It seemed to 45 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: have been in the works for a while. There was 46 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: talk that he was going to be traded. It was 47 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: a question of where and when. Uh So we found 48 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: out that it's Tennessee that is going to be where 49 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: he is playing his football. In one when you look 50 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: at Julio just individually, how much is moving from Atlanta 51 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: to Tennessee change how you feel about him in draft 52 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: in terms of the draft value. I don't think it 53 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: really hurts his value as much as people think it's. 54 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: It was going to. You know, when when Arthur Smith 55 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: went to Atlanta, we had to assume the past attempts 56 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 1: were going to come down Arthur Smith. Over the last 57 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: two years, his offenses ranked thirty and thirty first in 58 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: past attempts, So we had to know that they were 59 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: going to come down from Dirt Cutter, who was continually 60 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: top four in past attempts every single year. And then 61 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: on top of that, you had Kyle Pitt's coming in 62 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: who was going to remove some of that target ceiling 63 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: from Julio Jones as well as Calvin Ridley, a budding 64 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: star in his own right. So therefore it was always 65 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: going to be Captain Atlanta. So going out to Tennessee, 66 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: most people are gonna say, hey, they don't throw the 67 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: ball a lot. Well, Arthur Smith has gone, so it's 68 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: gonna be a different offense altogether. And I think that 69 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: we can go. Can we learn something from last year 70 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: when we were talking about you know, Keenan Allen, the 71 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: down grade quarterback Stefon Diggs going to Josh Allen. We 72 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: always looked at that as like it was almost like, oh, 73 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: he's going from Cousins, who is highly efficient to Josh Allen. 74 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, when you get players of Julio 75 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: Jones caliber, you're going to change your offense. You're going 76 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: to do it. You don't trade for Julio Jones to 77 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: not throw the ball to Julio Jones. You know, he's 78 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: a He's a guy that a lot of people out 79 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: there they say, oh, he's always hurt. Well, the guy 80 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: has played at least fourteen games and six to the 81 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: last seven seasons. Oh well, he's he's hurt, but he 82 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: plays through it, so it really hurts your fantasy team. Well, 83 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: he's totally at least and ninety four yards and six 84 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: of the last seven seasons too, So I mean, this 85 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: guy is a different breed. So when people start talking 86 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: about he's thirty two years old, this is a future 87 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer we're talking about. There are two wide 88 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: receivers that I've tracked over the last thirteen years who 89 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: have played deep into their careers like this and Larry 90 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald Terrell Owens. Both of them had top twelve wide 91 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: receiver finish. Is after the age of thirty two, Julio 92 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: is going to be just fine. If anything, he's gonna 93 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: get more single man coverage with a J. Brown on 94 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: the other side of the field. You you hit on. 95 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: Two things that I always say about Julio is that, like, 96 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: you know, people are like, well, he's always hurt, and 97 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, you seem to play a 98 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: lot and when he's on the field, Um, I mean, 99 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: what who doesn't want a guy that's gonna get you 100 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: like fourteen hundred yards every single year, you know, get 101 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: you catches, Like why wouldn't you want that, and I know, 102 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: you know, the other knock has been that you know 103 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: he didn't score a ton of touchdowns. I'm like, okay, 104 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: well he doesn't get you twelve touchdowns, but he gets 105 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: you like eight. That's not bad. I think that's okay. 106 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: I also felt like Julio sort of exists within his 107 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: own time and space, and I felt like wherever he went, 108 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: UM I didn't have any worries about his draft value 109 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: or his production, because, as you said, you don't get 110 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: a guy like Julio Jones and not throw him the football. 111 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: So I felt like wherever he was going to be 112 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: traded to, UM, I was still gonna be drafting him 113 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: right about the same spot because I felt like his 114 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: numbers and his his opportunities weren't weren't going to change 115 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: a whole lot. So I just I feel like he 116 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: was the one person in this equation that was going 117 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: to stay fairly static regardless of what happened UM. But 118 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: that does lead to the guys he left behind in Atlanta. 119 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: Who do you think sees the bigger bump? Is it 120 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley or is it you know, Kyle Pitts, whose 121 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: hype train might be about ready to drive off the 122 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: rails at this point. Yeah, it's it's it's gotta be Pits, 123 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: just because Calvin Ridley was always gonna get targets. You know, 124 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: we saw that last year even when Julio was on 125 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: the field, he was getting consistent targets and he was 126 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: living up to that low end wide receiver one territory. 127 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: And then when Julio went out of the lineup, you 128 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: saw a guy that could be the overall wide receiver 129 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: one in that offense. So Calvin Ridley was always going 130 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: to be a top eight wide receiver regardless of whether 131 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: or not Julio was there. So he's gonna get a 132 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: slight bump, of course. But Kyle Pitts is the one 133 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: who sees a big bump here because you started to wonder, 134 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, he's the third option on this team 135 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: behind Julio and Ridley. Where is this coming from? But 136 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,679 Speaker 1: we have to stop ourselves and say, at what point 137 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: do do you need a breakout from Kyle Pits to 138 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,239 Speaker 1: justify his draft ranking? Because we he was going around 139 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: tight end seven in early ADP We've seen that climbing 140 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden, you're hearing people say 141 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: I'd take him over Mark Andrews as the tight end four. 142 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: The problem with doing that is that you're you're passing 143 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: on a player that's already proven it in the NFL. 144 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: We've seen tight ends before come into the league. O J. 145 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: Howard was very highly sought after in the fantasy community. 146 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: There were bets being made among fantasy analysts and in 147 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: terms of how many yards he was gonna have his 148 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: first year, and the smart analysts were taking the under 149 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: in terms of his yardage. And I'm gonna go back 150 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: to do the same thing with Kyle Pitts. I mean, 151 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: go back to Vernon Davis. Vernon Davis athletically was just 152 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: as much of a specimen as Kyle Pitts is, and 153 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: he had a russ start at the beginning of his career. 154 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: He didn't, he didn't. It was a couple of years 155 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: into his career where he finally became one of those consistent, 156 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: you know, top three tight ends in the league. He 157 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: eventually got there. And Kyle Pitts is going to get there. 158 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: He's super talented. The opportunities there are are they gonna 159 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: line him up at wide receiver, you know, go back 160 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: to Arthur Smith and the talk about him and what 161 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: he's done. John Smith is very talented. He's also a 162 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: very athletic tight end as well. He's kept it's sixty 163 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: five targets. I mean last year, sixty five targets. Anthony 164 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: Firkser was still there getting fifty some targets. So I 165 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: would not be shocked to see, you know, Kyle Pitts 166 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: end up in the ninety target range and see Hayden 167 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: Hurst around fifty or sixty himself. But the loss of 168 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: Julio it makes it you can actually drum up a 169 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: scenario where Kyle Pitts he's a hundred targets, and if 170 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: he does, he's obviously worthy of a top top five 171 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: tight end selection. I look, I think unless something goes 172 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: really sideways, I expect Kyle Pitts to have a top 173 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: eight finish this year. And I think that says some 174 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: of it is about Pits as as a player, some 175 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: of it is just about the state of the tight 176 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: end position as a whole. And I think that's sort 177 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: of where you land. But even you talk about rookie 178 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: tight ends, and you know, we are notorious for saying 179 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: rookie tight ends it's hard for them to make an impact, right. 180 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: And I go back to the Evan Ingram season when 181 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: he was a rookie, which by the way, continues to 182 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: be the best season he's ever put together in fantasy football. 183 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: He had sixty four catches. It's not a bad number, 184 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: It's not it's not a special number either. And I 185 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: think I think, you know, when you talk about people 186 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: being Pits ahead of Mark Andrews, I am definitely on 187 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: the pump the brake side on that because I would 188 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: still go, you know, you've got your top three, You've 189 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: got Andrews, You've got Howkinson. I still think there are 190 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: some guys in there, whether it's you know, you believe 191 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: in a Noah Fans or somebody like that. I think 192 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: there's still a handful of guys that I'm willing to 193 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: take ahead of Kyle pitts um. But I do think 194 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: he's going to be a tight end one. I think 195 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: I think next year, if if if you come to 196 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: me the same time next year and you say, yep, 197 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: I'm putting I'm creating Kyle Pits ahead of Mark Andrews, 198 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: I I feel like there will be an argument at 199 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: the end of the season. For that, but right now 200 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: in June of um, I'm not I'm not ready for 201 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: it yet. I'm with you, and I want to warn people, 202 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: it's just Matt Ryan. This is a this is a thing. 203 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: So as soon as the Julio trade happened, obviously have 204 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 1: friends back home in Chicago that we're texting me out 205 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: in Tennessee because you know, I brought Julio here. Let's 206 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: just obviously he followed me here. But no, in reality, 207 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: it's just I said, and they said, well, he's gonna 208 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: be a downgrade and fantasy because Ryan Tannehill is not 209 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: as good as Matt Ryan. And this is a popular opinion. 210 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: I didn't realize how popular it was among the public. 211 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: Was just that Ryan Tannehill sucked and he's been he's 212 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: been lucky the last couple of years where he's like 213 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan. He's haid Julio Jones' entire career, like Matt 214 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: Ryan has made a living because Julio Jones, and you've 215 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: seen in terms of his yards per attempt and everything 216 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: dip down when Julio's out of the lineup. Julio Jones 217 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: makes a quarterback better. And then you you look at 218 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill. I mean, Tannehill is the one in this 219 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: equation that nobody's really talking about, where he's been one 220 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: of the best quarterbacks in football since he took that 221 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: starting job for Tennessee. Now was Arthur Smith to blame 222 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: for a lot of that, Well, sure, an offensive play 223 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: caller is going to matter, but at the same time, 224 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: you need someone to deliver, and Marcus Mariota couldn't do it. So, 225 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, Ryan Tannehill's the unsung hero in Tennessee. Like 226 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: he's so he's been so damn good. I think I 227 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: think part of it is and I can't who I 228 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: was talking to about this recently, but I do think 229 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill still has that stink of his Miami days 230 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: on him, you know, like for so many years he 231 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: was he was at best a mediocre quarterback in in Miami, 232 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: and I think it's hard for us to kind of 233 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: shake that off. But he has been so good. I 234 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: mean it's been you know, he took over midway through 235 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: that the year a couple of years ago from Mariota. 236 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: Then last year, like at some point maybe he just 237 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: is has progressed. I mean, it's it's not the first 238 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: time we've seen it, right, I mean, I think of 239 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: a late career Rich Gannon who became such a better 240 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: quarterback with the Raiders. Um, it's not often, but it happens. 241 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: And and maybe Tannehill is the next guy that that 242 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: is going to happen to. UM. So then all right, 243 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: I mean he puts Julio Jones, A J. Brown, Calvin Ridley. 244 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: What order are you ranking them in? I'll go I'll 245 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: go Calvin Ridley, A J. Brown, Julio Jones, UM at 246 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: this point, but they're all my They're all in my 247 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: top twelve. Actually yeah, I mean I still think they are. Uh. 248 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: It's funny because I I had a couple of weeks 249 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: ago before any of this happened, UM, I had a J. 250 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: Brown is one of those candidates who could finish as 251 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: the wide receiver one. I don't think that happens now 252 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: just because Julio is there. But I don't think. Um. 253 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the worst case scenario, he's a 254 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: high end wide receiver to you, but I still think 255 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: he's a wide receiver one probably by the end of 256 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: the year, just because of that. So but so the 257 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: other part of this, though, is I mentioned that they're 258 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: not going to get Julio Jones and not throw him 259 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: the football. Ryan Tannehill has shown that he can be 260 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: effective as a passer. We know a J. Brown is 261 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: there and what he can do. Um, I feel like, 262 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: you know, something's got to give And at some point 263 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: should we start to be worried about Derrick Henry, especially 264 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: where you have to get him in drafts, like can 265 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: he sustain that if they're not going to be this 266 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: run heavy squad the way they have been the last 267 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: few years. There's a couple of points to this one. One. 268 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: It's never a bad thing to be attached to an offense. 269 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: Is gonna score more points as a running back, especially 270 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: when you were the clear cut go line back. Like 271 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: when they get in the goal line, they're not gonna 272 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: throw fades to Julio Jones. They're not throwing there. They're 273 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: given the ball Derrick Henry and it's gonna work because again, 274 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: defenses are gonna be forced to remain honest. I was 275 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: looking at that once this trade took place and trying 276 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: to figure out what I wanted to do with Derrick 277 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: Henry afterwards, and then you look and you realize he 278 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: sawcent of the time he saw stack boxes in thirty 279 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: six percent of the time. He's been fantastic in both 280 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: of those years. With Julio Jones and A J. Brown 281 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: out there, there is no way that defense is gonna 282 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: afford to sit there and load the box and leave 283 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: those men one on one on the perimeter because they 284 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: can both beat you all over the field. Like. That's 285 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: what makes Julio special is that he's not just six 286 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: thirty pounds. He can beat you down the field like 287 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: and he could still do it at age thirty two. 288 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: A J. Brown can beat you all over the field. 289 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: To these two, like A J. Brown could be the 290 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: new Julio Jones in terms of like this generation's Julio, 291 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: A J. Brown is the closest thing I'd resemble to 292 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 1: that in terms of the freak athleticism with the size, speed, 293 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: combo winning all over the field. So when you have 294 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: those guys, the play action sets up so well. But 295 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, he's gonna have less carries. I'm gonna I'm 296 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: just gonna say that now. He's gonna have less carries 297 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: this year. That was always gonna happen when Arthur Smith 298 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: left anyways. But but he is gonna have I I 299 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: do believe more scoring opportunities. It is possible that he 300 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: sees more targets, because as much as he's not like 301 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: a threat in the passing game, they need to get 302 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: the bonus hands and screens just to give him an 303 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: open field to work with. Send the boys down the 304 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: field and let him work with the underneath the defenders, 305 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: and uh, he can make that work. So we could 306 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: see that. So I just think the efficiency has a 307 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: chance to go up for Derrick Henry to make up 308 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: for that lost volume. So he's still steadily in the 309 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: top five running backs. If you want to take him three, 310 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: four or five, that's up for debate, but he's still there. 311 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's hard to pass if if 312 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there at five and he's on the board, 313 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: it is really hard to pass on him. I do, 314 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, I totally get everything you're saying, and I 315 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: think I the hope for me is that what he 316 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: loses in carries, he makes up four in targets, which 317 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 1: could actually increase his ceiling if that's the case. I mean, 318 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: you know, going back to the whole adage of how 319 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: a target is so much more valuable going to carry, 320 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: so maybe that helps um, because so far, I mean, 321 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: he really has been non exist It's weird, though, because 322 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: we've seen in the past Mike that he will get 323 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: a screen and you get him out in space, especially 324 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: with a couple of lead blockers in front of him. 325 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: I mean that literally is like watching a tank roll 326 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: down the road. And I don't know why. I don't 327 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: know why the Titans didn't incorporate it more into the offense. 328 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: So maybe we'll see it. In which case that's great 329 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: news for Derrick Henry and anybody who drafts him. All right. 330 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: What I've also been enjoying doing the last few weeks 331 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 1: is sort of getting everybody on that I enjoy talking to, 332 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: is sort of talking kind of general draft strategy and 333 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: roster building. And you at Fantasy Pros recently wrote some 334 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: kind of best ball of a few best ball pieces 335 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: about you guys to avoid maybe late round guys to avoid, 336 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: you know, basically at their a dp um. When you 337 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: are looking at a best ball draft versus just a 338 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: re draft league, is there a do you take a 339 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: different strategy? Do you do you look at something differently 340 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: when you're when you're walking into those drafts? Yeah, I 341 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: do a little bit because the best Ball I don't 342 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: I'm never the type to want to rely on injuries 343 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: in order to win something because I think that comes 344 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: down to more luck. And so you're talking about the 345 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: zero running back strategy and things like that, how people 346 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: utilize them, I don't uh. The NFL is moving towards 347 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: more three and four wide receiver sets, which means there's 348 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: more wide receivers than ever who are fantasy viable. And 349 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: it's also why we're not seeing a whole bunch of 350 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: wide receivers hit that a hundred fifty target mark. We 351 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: used to see wide receivers get close to two targets. 352 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: That doesn't happen anymore because they're flooding the field with 353 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: three and four wide receiver sets. So what I want 354 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: to do in best ball is I want to get 355 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: those workhorse running backs, those guys that I know are 356 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: going to be in the line of every single week 357 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: that you don't have to worry about touchdowns. They're gonna 358 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: get the touches, that's all you really want. And then 359 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: in the later rounds, you could just stockpile wide receivers 360 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: because they're going to basically complement each other. You're gonna 361 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: there's gonna be ups and downs, because again, if you're 362 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: waiting at wide receiver, you're not gonna get consistent target getters. 363 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: But once you get outside like the top I don't know, 364 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: fifteen wide receivers, the targets start to get a little 365 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: bit more volatile. So again, if you're not taking those 366 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: receivers in the first three rounds, you're kind of stuck 367 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: in that middling territory where it's like you're probably looking 368 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: between five and seven targets per game. But again, wide 369 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: receivers they can make it on one play. Running backs 370 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: are not guaranteed to do that, especially if you're waiting later. 371 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: So I definitely go a lot more running back heavy 372 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: in best ball formats, and wide receivers more just stack 373 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: wide receivers I might I'm gonna have. I'm definitely gonna 374 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: have more wide receivers on my bench in that league 375 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: than I would and say a redraft format, I say that, 376 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: you know, the way I've been approaching a lot of 377 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: these drafts has been, like, like I said, I feel 378 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: like I have to get at least one workhorse running 379 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: back somewhere in the first couple of rounds. Those middle rounds. 380 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: I've been very heavy on wide receivers. I'm in kind 381 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: of a slow draft now where I think after the 382 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: first two rounds, I think with the Keenan Allen, Michael Thomas, 383 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: Cooper cup and I'm like, I feel okay with I mean, 384 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: you know, those are three target heavy guys, um that 385 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: that could really be productive. And then you know at 386 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: some point you kind of go back to those running backs. 387 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: I would say when you're looking at kind of later 388 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: round running backs, I don't know about you. I've tend 389 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: to go. I tend to go with the target heavy, 390 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: sort of past catching running backs because if I feel like, 391 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: if I'm waiting on a running back and I'm trying 392 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: to get one in the later rounds, if he's not 393 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: catching the ball, you talk about not being able to 394 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: get it all on one play. I feel like that's 395 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: a hard way to live with a guy who might 396 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: get maybe tin carries and hoping that maybe he scores 397 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: a touchdown. I feel like if I'm targeting the Tarik 398 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: Cohen's of the world, there's at least a little bit 399 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: more upside there. They provide a floor and and that's 400 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: what that's what I honestly think one of the biggest 401 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: miss stakes that people make in best ball formats is 402 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: that they feel like they needed a home run with 403 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: every single pick. You don't. You don't. You know sometimes 404 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: you're running back is gonna miss a week because he 405 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: had a hamstring or a high ankle sprain. Whatever. You're 406 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: gonna need guys like Treko and guys like j. D. 407 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: Mckiss it, guys like Niahim Hines that can kind of 408 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: fill in that role and give you a floor because 409 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: most best ball formats are PPR. So again, they're not 410 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: gonna hit a home run. They're not gonna win you 411 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: the best ball league. However, they are going to be 412 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: someone that you can get consistent production out of, even 413 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: if it's you know, ten PPR points per game. It's 414 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: just something to give your your roster a floor. It's 415 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: kind of like stocks in a way where it's like 416 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: you think about it and like, you can't have a 417 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: portfolio full of penny stocks and expect to make money. 418 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: You're not going to. It's just you have to have 419 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: a balanced roster. So understanding as you're navigating through the draft, 420 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: how much risk you have, how much stability you have, 421 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: because like guys like Jervis Landry, Deebo, Samuel They're not sexy. 422 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: But that's fine. It's they're fine because again, people are 423 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: looking at home runs and like, oh, it's like Cooper Cup. 424 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: He's not sexy. He's going to fill a rule on 425 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: your teams. He's not gonna be the reason you lost 426 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: your best ball format. I can tell you that. So 427 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: it's just that's I think the biggest mistake that people 428 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: make in best ball formats. You know, one of the 429 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: things you wrote about the slot receivers, and I have 430 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: sort of been kind of looking at slot guys the 431 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: last few years and trying to, you know, predict on 432 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: a week tweek basis, you know, based on matchups and 433 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Um kind of a weird philosophical question. 434 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: If if we weren't doing out points for receptions, right, 435 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: whether it's full point, half point, would we care nearly 436 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: as much about slot guys, uh in fantasy football? I 437 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: mean we would, yes, and no. I think it's more 438 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: about coaching and how how the most creative offensive coordinators, 439 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: guys like Andy Reid, like Sean Payton, they understand the 440 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: benefit of moving wide receivers into the slot. You know, 441 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: a lot of the top tier cornerbacks, like a Jalen Ramsey, 442 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: they don't travel into the into the into the slot. 443 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: What happens is they have their two cornerbacks, they'll they'll 444 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: travel on the perimeter, they'll shadow there. But you go 445 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: into the slot and all of a sudden, you're matched 446 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: up with either a safety, a linebacker, or a backup cornerback, 447 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: a nickel corner. And the nickel corners those are there 448 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: are the number three on the depth chart for a reason. 449 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: You know, they're not the best in the team. So 450 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: when you move them in there, you're gonna get more 451 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: production per play. So you know, I I do this 452 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: article and it says how much are slot targets actually worth? 453 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: And it goes through and highlights it's it's about seven 454 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: percent more production per target is what you get out 455 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: of wide receivers. And that's not average. And some people 456 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: would say, well, they don't score touchdowns. It just comes 457 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: down to the targets. If you're getting targets in the slot, 458 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: they're actually worth more. On average. Wide receivers score more 459 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: touchdowns per target in the slot than they do on 460 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: the perimeter. But you just see more on the perimeter 461 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: because that's typically where the big wide receivers play. But 462 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: as we get further and further into it and we see, 463 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: you know, base three wide receiver sets, but based some 464 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: teams are going four wide twenty percent of the time, 465 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: like the Bills the Cardinals. Those are two teams that 466 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: do it heavily. Then all of a sudden, it's like 467 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: slot targets can become a much bigger thing for these guys. 468 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: So you just want to see creative play callers um 469 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: utilize their wide receivers all over the formation. You know, 470 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: do the Cowboys start moving to Mary Cooper into the 471 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: slot because last year they basically just said, Ceede Lamb, 472 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna play in the slot. He saw eight perimeter 473 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: targets a year long, so he didn't have to win 474 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: on the perimeter. So for Ceedie Lamb to play well 475 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: last year, I expected that he was playing in the 476 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: slot like all the time, he should win there. It's 477 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: when you go to the perimeters when you're going to 478 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: see the men separate from like the Boys. So um, 479 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: you know, guys like a Mary Cooper, they don't rely 480 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: so much on slot to be in the slot. To 481 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: produce that article basically highlights what what wide receivers rely 482 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: on it more than others, and Ceedee Lamb scored twice 483 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: as many fantasy points per targeting the slot that he 484 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: did on the perimeter. I feel like, you know, and 485 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: maybe it is changing, right because you talk about you know, 486 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: Marie Cooper potentially moving into the slot, and we've seen 487 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: a lot of teams use their bigger receivers and sort 488 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 1: of make you know, I look, yeah, Matt Harmon and 489 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: I laugh about the fact that Michael Thomas gets so 490 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: annoyed at being called slant boy, right. I mean that's 491 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: part of why, you know, it's a good nickname because 492 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: it gets under his skin like that, But it also 493 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: is effective. Sean Payton was smart enough to know, hey, look, 494 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: let's take our big, you know, talented wide receiver. Let's 495 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: put him in the slot where he can get some 496 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,479 Speaker 1: really great matchups, and let's try to exploit this as 497 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: much as possible. So while Michael Thomas himself might be 498 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: annoyed at it, um, it's a reason the Saints offense 499 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: was successful for so many years. And I think, and 500 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: this is me sort of you know, ranting on my 501 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 1: own little personal pet peeves because I'm one of those 502 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: people who just get so frustrated at PPR because you know, 503 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: you get smaller slot receivers, right, you get the Jarvis Landry's, 504 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: you get the Julian Edelman's of the world. You know, 505 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: like it was so frustrated to see Julian Edelman have 506 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: like a hundred catches for eleven hundred yards and it's like, 507 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: this is not you know, it's not. Um. So I 508 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: think I think as I think as we sort of 509 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: evolved the slot receiver position and you start to see 510 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: more of these bigger guys who some of them will 511 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: have the potential to make to score touchdowns, I mean, 512 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, I think I think that maybe we'll get 513 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: me off my high horse. Scored double digit touchdowns from 514 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: the slot for sure, right right, And so I think 515 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: I think when that starts to happen, I will I 516 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: will get down off my high horse. About full point 517 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: PPR A little bit more. Um the other thing about 518 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: best ball leagues and I got sort of off track here, 519 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: but do you feel like this is at least a 520 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: partial solution to our fantasy tight end? The limma? I mean, 521 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: right now, it's it's you either pay up for one 522 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: of the big three, or you're sort of left kind 523 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: of streaming at the position. I feel like Best Ball 524 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: not fully solves the problem, but at least makes us 525 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: feel better about maybe drafting a later tight end or 526 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: a couple of tight ends late to to to maybe 527 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: get some regular production from during the season. It just 528 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: takes away the headache, is all it does. I mean seriously, 529 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: Streaming tight ends is not for the faint of heart. 530 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: It's not for those that don't want to pay attention 531 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: to the waiver wire to match ups. But fortunately, you know, 532 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: in what we do for a living, I go through 533 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: every matchup in the primer and like study, you know 534 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: what every team is giving up to each position, and 535 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: you could find solid streamers. But it takes a lot 536 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: of work, and it's not something that you could be like, oh, 537 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: he looks good this week. You know he's going against 538 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: this team like it. You can't just do it like that. 539 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: That's not how streaming tight ends works. But um, best 540 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: ball it's nice because you don't have to just it 541 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: eliminates the headache of figuring out which tight end to 542 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: start every single week. But honestly, in best Ball, I'm 543 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: okay taking one of the tight ends early. If you 544 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: want to do that, I would rather do it in 545 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: the best ball format then I would in a redraft 546 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, just because again I get stockpile those 547 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: wide receivers later and not have to worry about grabbing 548 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: three or four tight ends because again a lot of 549 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: those guys are so boom or bust if you if 550 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: you wait outside the top seven eight tight ends, it's 551 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: like a It's if you were to tell me the 552 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: guy have ranked a tight end sixteen is going to 553 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: finish tight end nine, I'd be like, yeah, I can 554 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: see a percent. It literally might be one touchdown difference 555 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: in my projections. That's basically how it works. So it's 556 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: it's frustrating. I mean, you'll see some guys like like 557 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: Jonas Smith last year he saw sixty five targets, he 558 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: didn't he finished with under five yards if I'm not mistaken, 559 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: and he finishes the top twelve tight end, Like, what 560 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: is that? No? I mean, look, I went back a 561 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: couple of years ago and Jason Witten was like a 562 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: top tin tight end basically all he might just caught 563 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: the ball and fell down. I mean that was kind 564 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: of his whole role there. Um, he was effective at it, 565 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: but but it doesn't give you anything. Uh. And so 566 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: I mean you made the point, and and you know, 567 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: our pal Michael left Florio has made the same thing, 568 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: and he's like, there's a handful of tight ends that 569 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: could be that could finish anywhere from tight end he's like, 570 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: from tighten seven to like seventeen or twenty, um, you know, 571 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: and he's like, that's that's good and bad. Like if 572 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: you if you get the projected tight end seventeen and 573 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: he finishes at eight, you feel great. If you get 574 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: the guy who's projected at ninth and he finishes, you know, nineteen, Um, 575 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: you're not all that excited about it. Um. So I 576 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 1: don't know. Basically, that's a long way of saying, I'm 577 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: not drafting Dan Arnold anywhere. Um, even with the Sam 578 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: Donald to Dan Arnold potential connection in Carolina, I think 579 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna avoid that. Uh. One of the things that 580 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 1: surprised me you wrote about guys to avoid at their 581 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: current a DP, and the name that jumped out to 582 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: me the most was Antonio Gibson because he has become 583 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: everyone's offseason darling. Um, do you still feel that way 584 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: You're still worried about you know, I know this is 585 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: best ball versus redraft, but still any worries about Bob Gibson. 586 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: I like Gibson a a player. I do. I had 587 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: my concerns last year. Is someone coming, you know, as 588 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: basically a wide receiver in college moving into more of 589 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: the running back role in Washington had similar concerns. You know, 590 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: they didn't They didn't put a full workload on his plate. 591 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: He didn't play a whole bunch of snaps. But at 592 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: the same time, they were telling us all along before 593 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: the season even started. They said, Jennie mckissic is gonna 594 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: be part of this offense. And he was, you know, 595 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: a guy that was targeted so much. But now going 596 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: forward to this year, I do anticipate some of those 597 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: Peyton Barber carries to go to Antonio Gibson because they're 598 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: feeling better about unleashing him. But it's the same concern 599 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: I had for someone like Josh Jacobs last year, where 600 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: is he going to be heavily utilized enough in the 601 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: passing game in order to justify drafting him as a 602 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: low end RB one because it's not gonna be one 603 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: of the highest scoring football teams out there. It's still Washington. 604 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: They have a great defense. They're gonna want to play. 605 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to say game manager football. You don't. 606 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: You don't sign Ryan Fitzpatrick to do that. But I 607 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: don't think this seems gonna be involved in a whole 608 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: bunch of shootouts. Their defense is that good, so lower 609 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: scoring games, so you have to worry about the scoring potential. 610 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: He scored a touchdown every fifteen point five carries last year. 611 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: That's not happening again. Like it's just he he scored 612 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: much more than he should have um, which is obviously 613 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: it's not a bad thing that he did that, but 614 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: there's always regression when we talk about, you know, projecting 615 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: for the following year, because we're not playing over again. 616 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: So you look at j D mckissic still on the roster. 617 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: They I know they Jared Jared Patterson running back. That 618 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: reminded me during scouting of a little bit of a 619 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: Darren's rowles field to him. Uh. Now, he was undrafted, 620 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: so he's not he's not guaranteed any role, but they've 621 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: talked about him in camp and how they much how 622 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: much they want to get him involved. I think he's 623 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: the eventual j D. Mckissic replacement. So when you start 624 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: talking about this, you say, all right, well what about 625 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: the targets. Where can we find the targets? All of 626 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: a sudden, Curtis Samuels brought in. He's gonna get some carries. 627 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: He's gonna get a lot of those shorter intermediate targets. 628 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: They brought Diamie Damie Brown, Antonio Gandy, Golden Kelvin Harmon's 629 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: gonna be back from injury. Uh Logan Thomas got a 630 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: much bigger role as the season went on. You have 631 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin who needs to be fed. Ryan Fitzpatrick is 632 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: not a quarterback who traditionally targets his running backs very much. 633 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: There's a reason we love Ryan Fitzpatrick is fantasy fans 634 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: is because he props up his wide receivers. He's he's 635 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 1: he's in straight D Gaff mode. He's willing to throw 636 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: into tight coverage. He's willing to let his wide receivers win. 637 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: Antonio Gibson might finish the year with fewer than forty targets, 638 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: and that is going to be really difficult for him 639 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: to get into truly elite RB one territory just because 640 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: of the nature of the position. You know, you need 641 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: to be involved in the passing game. So um, as 642 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: long as Jenny McKissick is there, as long as Ryan 643 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick's healthy and under center, as long as the defense 644 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: is dominant. I just don't know if there's enough work 645 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: in the passing game for him. I believe in the talent, 646 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: and he obviously has the skills as a receiver, but 647 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: it's just it's still the same coaching staff, and I 648 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 1: don't see any reason that they would say, hey, Jenda mckissic, 649 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: you did terrible last year. He did. He did a 650 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: phenomenal job in what they asked him to do. Is 651 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: it gonna even out a little bit more? Probably? But 652 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: enough to get him into RB one territory? I don't 653 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: think I could do it. You mentioned Josh Jacob, so 654 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: real quick, how do you feel about him? I feel 655 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: like the Raiders keep telling us that they don't want 656 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: him as a workhorse back, and so I'm I'm sort 657 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: of drafting him accordingly. ANT know if you feel the 658 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: same way the Raiders. I mean, I was out on 659 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs last year because I don't believe in the 660 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: coaching staff there in l a are Las vegas um 661 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: I it's basically when he came out, he should have 662 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: been a pass catcher. It's like a Joe Mixon problem 663 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: right where it's like you have these coaching staffs like 664 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: Zach Taylor, who now is talking about using Joe mix 665 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: in this passing down role. It reminds me of Mike 666 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: Mayck last year talking about Jacobs and how they were 667 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: going to use him in that role, but yet they 668 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: continually you use guys like Jalen Richard, Theo Riddick, Davante Booker, 669 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: uh DeAndre Washington using these guys in the passing game 670 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: over Josh Jacobs, who you drafted in the first round, 671 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: who was a phenomenal receiver back in Alabama. I was 672 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: out last year because of that, because I was like, 673 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: he shouldn't be drafted in the first round if he 674 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: doesn't have a bigger role in the passing game. But 675 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: now that he's dropping into that RB twenty RB twenty 676 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: two territory and e c R I like him. I'll 677 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: take him. It kind of reminds me of David Montgomery 678 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: last year, where it's like, you know, when Terrie Cohen 679 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: was healthy. David Montgomery was not getting a whole bunch 680 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: of work in the passing game, but I felt like 681 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: he was gonna be a very serviceable low end RB two. Again, 682 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: not gonna win your fantasy league, but he's not gonna 683 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: lose it either. Josh Jacobs is gonna be fined as 684 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: a back end RB two as long as you temper expectations. 685 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: Just don't expect the RB one that people were drafting 686 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: him as last year. I think that's fair. I think 687 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: that's fair, and just that, you know, I think people 688 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: want more from Josh Jacobs, and I get it because 689 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: I think the skill set is there. But everything the 690 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: Raiders have done around him suggests that they they don't 691 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: view him the same way that we do. And I 692 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: think I just think we just have to sort of 693 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: make that adjustment. Um, it's sort of big picture question here, right. 694 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: You know that O T A s are going on. 695 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: I'm looking at Twitter and I'm seeing your reports from 696 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: from Green Bay Camp about Jordan's love doing this and that, 697 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, the Texans are generally a mess. Uh, 698 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: in just general terms, how do you approach you know, 699 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: guys like Aaron Rodgers and Deshaun Watson when we have 700 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: zero clarity about what their future is going to be, 701 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: stay far away. That's a nice I can give. Honestly, 702 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: quarterback is a replaceable position. We talked about that all 703 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: the time as analyst. Uh Rogers is being overdrafted to 704 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: begin with. You know his ec R right now is 705 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: QB seven. Here's a fun fact. Even if Rogers does 706 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: play for the Packers, Okay, his touchdown rate was nine 707 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: point one per cent. That is ridiculous. If we dialed 708 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: that back to Aaron Rodgers career number, which is still 709 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: lead by the way, it's six point three percent touchdown rate. 710 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: Even if we dial it back again nine point one 711 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: to six point three, he would have finished as the 712 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: QB ten last year, not the QB two. It just 713 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: goes to show you, like him losing mobility as his 714 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: career has gone on. Because Rogers used to give you 715 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: that mobility. He gives like, you know, three rushing yards 716 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: and a handful of rushing touchdowns. That has gone away. 717 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: Rodgers doesn't really run the ball anymore. He's lost that mobility. 718 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: So therefore he needs to throw touchdowns at an incredibly 719 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: higher rate. But when guys throw him at nine percent, 720 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: they always regress and people are drafting him. You know, 721 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: they're not drafting Hiss QB two. But for me, especially 722 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: when you add in the risk of him not being 723 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: with that team or retiring or whatever he wants to do, 724 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: I don't think he should be drafted as a top 725 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: ten quarterback right now. And then as for Deshaun Watson, 726 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: the Texans want him to play for him, he doesn't 727 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: want to play for the Texans. NFL teams are gonna 728 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: want to rade for Deshaun Watson because if it's a 729 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: pr nightmare, Deshaun Watson wants to be traded, but again 730 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: can't happen. The NFL probably gonna suspend him once all 731 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: this is said and done, just because you know they 732 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: have the ability to do that. Uh So, all these 733 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: things are adding up where it's like the Texans basically 734 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: told you by drafting another quarterback and bringing in all 735 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: these quarterbacks offseason that they're planning on being without Deshaun Watson, 736 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: but they're not trading him. So Deshaun Watson, as far 737 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: as I'm concerned, you can't have a quarterback sit around 738 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: for even if it's six weeks. You can't have that 739 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: on your bench. So therefore, just avoid him altogether. And 740 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: again I'm avoiding both of them. Uh yeah, I mean 741 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I've drafted them in any 742 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: spots and and I'm I'm kind of with you on that. 743 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: But you know, it's also a thing that I sort 744 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: of watched, I sort of pay attention to where whether 745 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: it's a regular draft, the mock draft would have you 746 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: you know when or if is someone going to take 747 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: them and inevitably at least one of them. Rodgers, you know, 748 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: I think more than Watson I've seen has come off 749 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: the board, just because I think we have a little 750 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: more confidence than Aaron Rodgers is gonna play. However, however 751 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: low that confidence is is I mean, you know, he 752 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: very well could end up in Culver City hosting Jeopardy 753 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,719 Speaker 1: on a daily basis. Who knows. Um, Yeah, it's just 754 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: I think that is that is one where I think 755 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: everybody is sort of dancing around it and nobody really 756 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: wants to uh kind of dive in because we just 757 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: we just have zero answers to that at all. Um, 758 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: for let you know, a few rapid fire questions I 759 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: always like to do. I know you have moved to 760 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: a new state, but you are a Chicago and at heart, 761 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: So I have to ask you, Jake Cutler or Jim McMahon, Cody, 762 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a I'm a Jake Cutler. Stand Um, the 763 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: guy was just screwed here in Chicago. I mean, like 764 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: some of his tops receivers when he came here, like 765 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: Earl Bennett, Johnny Knox, Devin Hester, Roy Williams, those are 766 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: like his top receivers for the first three years he's 767 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: in Chicago. And listen his list of coordinators here, Dowald Loggin's, 768 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: Adam Gaze, Aaron Cromer, Mike Tyson, Mike Marts, Ron Turn. 769 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: It is a disaster. Jake Cutler was doomed from the start. 770 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: Uh that's that's gonna hold you well in your new 771 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: home state too. By the way, you know you can 772 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: you can lead on the Vandy guy. Um Chicago style 773 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: pizza or Nashville Hot Chicken. I mean, I could legit 774 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: eat pizza all day, every day and never gets sick 775 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: of it. So I've I like been trying. I've been 776 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: going out, like looking on apps and finding out the 777 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: best pizza in Nashville. And I found a good a 778 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: few good places that have like New York style pizza. 779 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: It's not quite Chicago, but I'll take pizza all right. Well, 780 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: we'll have to connect you with our producer Justin after 781 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: this because he is He's a Tennessee guy, so he 782 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: might have some he might have some suggestions for you. Uh. 783 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: Last one, pick one band to listen to for the 784 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: rest of your life. Who would it be? Oh? Man, 785 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: I hate this question. I do because, like if if 786 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: people that know me, I'm always I'm always listening to music. 787 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: Like if someone were to offer me like ten million 788 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: dollars to stop listening to music for the rest of 789 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: my life, I tell him no, Um, I love music 790 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: that much. But if I had to pick one, I 791 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: guess it'd be Corn. Uh. Corn is a band that 792 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: you know even I just don't remember. I remember where 793 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: I came from in all the years that led up 794 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: to being like an adult and all the stuff that 795 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: like a band helps you get through. Corn I've been 796 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: listening to those guys since I was like fourteen. So 797 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: Corn is my band. I So I the reason I 798 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: asked that because I saw that you know, you were excited. 799 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: I think give tickets to see Corn, right Corn. Yes, 800 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: So like I was like, all right, you know, I 801 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: was like should I should I have him? Like, you know, 802 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,399 Speaker 1: compare Corn versus someone else? But I felt like Corn 803 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: would be the answer. Um, you know I was gonna say, 804 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: like a Corn versus like a Limp biscuit or a Lincoln. 805 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: Oh no, no those no, no, not in the same conversation. 806 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: They all came up around the same time. But those 807 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: are my guys, all right. Cool. Um. I always appreciate 808 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: having you on. I always, I always enjoy talking to you. 809 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: I'm pretty certain that people who listen to this podcast 810 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: and nowhere to find you. But for those who are uninitiated, 811 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: where can they find your stuff? No? Yeah, you can 812 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: find all my stuff on Fantasy pros um dot com. 813 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: I My my article I asked that you read is 814 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: that I put my heart and soul into every week. 815 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: It's a it's the primer. It's about thirty thirty five 816 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: thousand words a week, a paragraph on every player from 817 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 1: every game. UM, just diving in talking about wide receiver, cornerback, matchup. 818 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: Snapp cowns all that fun stuff that we've tried to 819 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: talk about on this show. 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