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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Did Cool Stuff, which

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Speaker 1: is podcast about history and the people in it who

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Speaker 1: did good things, usually in the face of bad things,

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Speaker 1: because that's one of the main things you can do

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Speaker 1: when there's a dichotomy is take the other side of

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Speaker 1: dichotomy and if one side of it is bad, then

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Speaker 1: the other side is good. I know how words work.

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Speaker 1: I'm Margaret Kiljoy with me today it's catabou. How are

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Speaker 1: you Hi?

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Speaker 2: I'm great, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty good. My dog is outside. Usually when

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Speaker 1: I record, he's like right behind me. I was already

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Speaker 1: telling kat this, but now I'm apparently telling everyone this.

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Speaker 1: Usually he's like right behind me, and every now and

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Speaker 1: Dosn't have a dog?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 1: It's an endorphin machine. You just like look at it

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Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh, you know.

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Speaker 2: So you do that thing when you look at him.

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Speaker 2: And then he said out sense is it? And then

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Speaker 2: he just like raises his head a little bit to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he's like oh, and then he puts

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Speaker 2: Perfect.

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Speaker 1: He's a perfect little angel who is probably now scaring

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Speaker 1: off all the airplanes in the yard because he's learned

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Speaker 1: he will probably do it until I die. And I'm

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Speaker 1: glad that I don't have a lot of neighbors and

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Speaker 1: all my neighbors think that my dog is gigantic and scary,

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Speaker 1: and I don't actually hate that. I don't hate that

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Speaker 1: my neighbors think I have a giant, scary dog, even

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Speaker 1: though I don't. That's what this episode is.

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Speaker 3: You just have to see Rendraw space. It's I know, perfect. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what this dog looks like.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Handsome, handsome, I believe it.

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Speaker 1: I believe he's a if you mixed a Muppet and

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Speaker 1: a tiny German shepherd together. That's such a perfect description

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Speaker 2: That sounds like the most perfect being that's ever existed.

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Speaker 1: I know. The other one is is actually I can

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Speaker 1: see on screen as Anderson, Yeah, personally right behind me.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's much like how I run across the

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Speaker 1: perlatives and history, and I'm like, how can all these

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Speaker 1: different things be the first? I should just think about

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Speaker 1: it like I think about dogs. All dogs are the

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Speaker 1: best dog exactly and Anderson's person is our producer named Sophie.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Sophie, that's my favorite way you've ever introduced to me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's one of the things you're very good at.

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Speaker 2: I hope, so I try really hard.

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Speaker 1: Also, Ian is our audio engineer, Hi Ian Hi Ian him.

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Speaker 1: Our music was made for us by unwoman. And this week,

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Speaker 1: you know, like, okay, I say this every Wednesday. Every Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: I say go back and listen to Monday's episode because

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Speaker 1: I think this time because you're really coming in in

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Speaker 1: make any decisions they want. Is relates to this. It's

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Speaker 2: It's just gonna be really confusing because you won't get

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Speaker 2: all of the awesome backstory and the Louisa shit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Louisa doesn't even come back into the story.

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Speaker 2: And exactly do you want to miss out on li Lisa?

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Speaker 1: No, Margarita doesn't come back in either.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're gonna sell Lisa and Margarita ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So this week we were talking about the Maganestas,

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Speaker 1: the peasant and proletarian uprisings that came shortly before and

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Speaker 1: guess they took jobs as farm laborers and dishwashers. They

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Speaker 1: And no one's giving him enough money. People are giving

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Speaker 2: And I know you said that it's illegal for him

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Speaker 1: Is illegal for him to get it into Mexico. Fortunately,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who don't care about the law, right,

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Speaker 1: So they printed in the United States. And then kind

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Speaker 1: labor union almost everywhere you look. Sophi's giving me the

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Speaker 1: we did about Irish miners racism.

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Speaker 2: God damn it.

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Speaker 1: In a This differs wildly from the Maganestas and the

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Speaker 1: But he also puts it in, so I'm not well

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Speaker 1: he the party puts it in. It calls to bar

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Speaker 1: Chinese immigration because Chinese workers work for less money than

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Speaker 1: that gets told to workers goddamn everywhere.

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Speaker 2: How about get everyone fair wages? Yeah, I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: like the EPs workers, how they might bone strike for

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Speaker 1: Because textile workers fucking love striking. The company tried to

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's probably what happened. That's probably what happened,

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Speaker 1: The ads that people are about to listen to, unless

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Speaker 1: Fuck yeah. So the owners just shut down all the

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Speaker 2: We'll get money either way. Like you get money if

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Speaker 2: I'd rather have one money. If I was a ghoulish

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Speaker 1: Well, in the end, the store owner gets nothing because

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Speaker 1: we shall turn to dynamite and revolution. Soon that particular

435
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: editor was on the run, I believe had to move

436
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: to the United States for saying that the dictatorship freaked

437
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: the fuck out about this textile thing. Men, women, and

438
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: children is a quote sorry from author Hernandez Padia. Men,

439
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: women and children were pulled from their homes and executed

440
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: in the barracks. Those able to flee were later captured

441
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: and killed. Meanwhile, management at the Rio Blanco mill raised

442
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: their champagne filled glasses and in unison honored General Martinez

443
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: with a toast. They celebrated the massacre. Yeah, it's a.

444
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: Do You're celebrating kids being slaughdered, and at no point

445
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 2: you're not like, oh wow, am I the bad guy here?

446
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, they said, are we the baddies? But then

447
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: they looked at their sorry, I don't know.

448
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: If again, they were like, yeah, we're thick, We're good.

449
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. Meanwhile, in the US, a lot of the labor

450
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 1: Union in the US is trying to support this. To

451
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: the goth Irish socialist Mother Jones, she probably didn't identify

452
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 1: as a goth. She was just a woman who wore

453
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 1: black morning clothes all the time. So she was a

454
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 1: goth because we've always been here, much like trans people

455
00:23:55,240 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: have always been here, Goths always been here, Mother Jones.

456
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: We talked about her in her black dresses and her

457
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: tough as fuck labor organizing in the Blair Blair Mountain episode.

458
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: She liked to cuss, She liked to hang out with real,

459
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: rowdy boys with revolvers, and she fights against the repression

460
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 1: of the Maganestas in the US and alongside the rest

461
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: of the US labor movement, and she puts political pressure

462
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: on governments to get rebels freed from US jails. She

463
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 1: successfully frees at least one of the sort of the

464
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: liberal editors who are in the US who are writing

465
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: not macgone, but another one. She goes on a speaking

466
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: tour around the country about the struggle of the PLM.

467
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: Labor unions raise thousands of dollars. The minor unions in

468
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: particular supportive since many of their members are Mexican or

469
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 1: Mexican American themselves, and basically there's just dozens of groups

470
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: all over the US working to support the PLM. They

471
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: keep trying to catch Ricardo floresmcgone. I was not to

472
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 1: say you can't catch him, but he's been. He gets

473
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: caught like eighteen times in his life, but they fail

474
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: a lot too. He keeps escaping out windows and shit

475
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: because he's he's pretty sure if they catch him. At

476
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: this point, he's one hundred percent going to Mexico and

477
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: getting executed. He has a twenty thousand dollars bounty on

478
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: his head. There are scores of private detectives after him

479
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: from multiple agencies. So he flees from Los Angeles by

480
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: resorting to the old standby. He dresses as a woman

481
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: and moves to San Francisco.

482
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 2: Yes.

483
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, The real question is whether he kept the mustache

484
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: when he did that or not.

485
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 2: I hope to god he did. It's an impressive mustache.

486
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: It is.

487
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 2: It is.

488
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,719
Speaker 1: He doesn't stop organizing mlon the run. I don't know

489
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: what happened with his family at this point. He has

490
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: a common law wife at this point, and they agreed

491
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: upon basically they're both anarchists, and they both believe in

492
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: the sort of anarchist feminist principle at the time of

493
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: being against the formal institution of marriage. So they're common

494
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 1: law married, and he adopts her daughter as his own,

495
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: and they stay tight the rest of his life, which

496
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: is like a good turn. Usually when we have like

497
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 1: a self obsessed man who's like grauchy when he doesn't

498
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: get his way and is like a radical, he's also

499
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: just like a misogynist piece of shit, right, mcgone. Ricardo

500
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: Floris mcgone is like interesting. He he clearly believes in it,

501
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: believes and writes in a lot of feminist principles. And

502
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: one of the things that I ran across at one

503
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: point was that the other like broie guys he's hanging

504
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: out with won't crack certain jokes around him. And it

505
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: doesn't quite say what jokes, but I think it's misogynist

506
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: jokes that he's like won't fucking put up with. So

507
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: he's like mostly really he is better than everyone else

508
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: around him who are men. But he also like is

509
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: some of his earlier a lot of his articles are

510
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 1: like women should support the revolution by supporting their men

511
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: or whatever at various points, like really boring shit too

512
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: at various points. So whatever, But usually I talk about

513
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: these people and then they're like, wife and kids fucking

514
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: hate them because they're like these people treated me like shit.

515
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: He his wife and his daughter like him and help

516
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: fight for him, so they.

517
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 2: Both like him, Like you don't. Just I really love

518
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: like a curmudgeon who is a wife guy, you know,

519
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: like he hates everyone except like three people. That's like

520
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: an archetype I really enjoy. Yeah, and I'm glad that

521
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 2: you know he has a wife and daughter who love him. Yeah,

522
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: I yeah, to very at least tolerate him and speak positively.

523
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like actively like fight campaign to get him

524
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: out of jail multiple times, choose to continue to live

525
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: with him, have no legal bounds to him, and continue

526
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: to do all of these things, you know. Like, yeah,

527
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: so the Maganist does they decide they're going to try

528
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: their nineteen oh six plan again, only in nineteen oh eight.

529
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: They don't really actually change that much about the plan.

530
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: Do they still do it by mail?

531
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? That's the problem. That is there is more time

532
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: for more people to get armed and organized, and their

533
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: messaging is getting less subtle and more radical. They're basically like, well, okay,

534
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: here's a quote. We do not fight for abstractions, but

535
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: from material realities we want and for everyone, for everyone bred.

536
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: Insofar as blood must necessarily flow, it will be so

537
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: that the conquest we secure will benefit everyone and not

538
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: just a certain social cast. Magon can't lead this one.

539
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: He's back in jail. He's a lost track of why

540
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: he gets rested in nineteen oh seven. But he gets

541
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: rested nineteen oh seven. He isn't freedom next freed until

542
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: until nineteen ten. He keeps trying to be in charge

543
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: from jail, but basically people are doing it without him,

544
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: and I don't know. There's still a floor as Magon involved.

545
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: Enrique is throwing down in running papers. Ricardo is writing

546
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: fiery shit in prison, which is really fucking good at

547
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: I think he's better at that than he is running things, honestly.

548
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: And the way he gets his stuff that he writes

549
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: in prison out is that he sews paper into his

550
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: underwear and then passes his on to his lawyers to

551
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: smuggle out. And the nineteen oh eight uprising was more

552
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: organized than the previous one. There's sixty groups in the

553
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: US in Mexico. They're planning action divide Mexico into five

554
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: different parts where make sure that everywhere gets hit. Each

555
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: group develops its own plan of attack and gathers its

556
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: own weapon and fighters. But delegates carry message Actually huh.

557
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, it's totally by mail. But now

558
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm reading this and I'm like, I think maybe it

559
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: wasn't as much by mail, possibly because of maccamas and jail,

560
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: because you have delegates going carrying messages between groups and

561
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: giving talks. Basically like they're like going around given talks

562
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: being like, hey, we're gonna have a revolution next month,

563
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: y'all should do it?

564
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, well send the ad.

565
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: And one of the things that they do is they

566
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: actually write two groups, and one of it works really

567
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: well and one of it works really badly. They write

568
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: to all of the indigenous allies that they've worked with

569
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: and all of the other and basically they're like, hey,

570
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: y'all down, we're gonna fucking overthrow this government. You want

571
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: to help overthrow this government, we'll make sure everything goes good.

572
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: And that went really well. They also sent letters to

573
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: all the army of the of Mexico and we're like, hey,

574
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: we're like of the people. You're probably a conscript. We're

575
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: actually fighting for good shit. You should come join us.

576
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: This mostly just leads to like really easy infiltration because

577
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: someone like a bunch of officers show up and they're like,

578
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we're like totally like with you. What's the

579
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: plan again? Uh yeah? Several cells get busted this way.

580
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: As many as like last time, or if you.

581
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: Were I'm not sure more uprisings do happen, but I

582
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: don't know the like percent of people who get busted

583
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: ahead of time. I only read about one particular bust

584
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: ahead of time, so I'm actually guessing fewer, but I'm

585
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: not sure.

586
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: Awesome.

587
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: One of the letters Ricardo had smuggled at was to

588
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: his brother, and it explained, okay, so they're moving more

589
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: from liberal to anarchist at this point, right overall, both

590
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: in terms of their ideology and their strategy and but

591
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: not what they're saying. They are still the liberal party, right,

592
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: and Riccardo smuggles out a letter that basically says the

593
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: revolution has to be anarchist in nature. In his like,

594
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: the reason is because revolutions are always betrayed by leaders

595
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: in bourgeois pressures that co opt and corrupt the will

596
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: of the people, which happens in the nineteen ten revolution.

597
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: So he's right about that. But then he says they

598
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: should still call themselves liberals and just act like anarchists

599
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: and state their aims, which were anarchists, but they should

600
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: disguise their true goal.

601
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 3: Right.

602
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: This gets argued about about whether or not this worked

603
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: for them. Some people are like, the reason it worked

604
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: as well as it did is because of this. Other

605
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: people are like, it actually kind of fucked them up.

606
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: Because it forestalled a bunch of rifts that were going

607
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: to happen, and so then instead the rifts happened during

608
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: like a worse time, right, and it underestimated the radical

609
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: will of the revolutionaries. I don't fucking know. I don't

610
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: know what was right here. I have a honesty thing

611
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: where I think you should just be about what you're about.

612
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: But I also have a thing where being ideologically stubborn

613
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily make anyone good.

614
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: And so people don't know that they actually identify with

615
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: the different ideology because the word's scary.

616
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And it's been decades since there was like

617
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: an anarchist tradition in Mexico of large size and things

618
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: like that, you know, right, Yeah, I don't fucking know

619
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: they did what they did. So in nineteen oh eight,

620
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: both sides are getting ready. When you go around and

621
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: give talks like we're gonna have a revolution on the

622
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: following day, it's not a good way to keep things undercover, right.

623
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: Troops are stationed on the border, political officials go into hiding.

624
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: This is like such a good winning moment, Like even

625
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: if you fail at your shit, if everyone was like,

626
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: oh fuck, It's like when Trump had to go hide

627
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: in his bunker. You know. Yeah, the Northern States go

628
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: under martial law and hundreds of PLM activists are arrested

629
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: and murdered. The US hates them too. They absolutely threaten

630
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 1: US interests in Mexico and even you less interests at home. Basically,

631
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: the fears that of Mexico turns into a worker's paradise,

632
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: it'll stop exporting cheap labor. So one of the very

633
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: first things that the precursor to the FBI, the Bureau

634
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: of Investigation, one of the very first things they do

635
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: in their history is attack the PLM, like, go after

636
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: the PLM, keep track of them, try and bring down

637
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: their leaders, all of that stuff. The Alpaso cell was

638
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: the main one I know about getting raided in particular.

639
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: It was huge, It was two hundred to eight hundred people.

640
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: But this one didn't get caught by any other means

641
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: except their neighbors were like, you know, these people are

642
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: a lot of like crates and shit in their yard.

643
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: It's kind of weird. So they called the cops, and yeah,

644
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: so the nimbi's brought down. I mean, the NIMBY is

645
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: probably proud of shit of themselves because they they find

646
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: bombs and guns and like maps to all the like

647
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: banks in the town in northern Mexico where they're going

648
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: to go with like.

649
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: No one likes snitch. Yeah, come on guys.

650
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. So once again the oppression mostly works but doesn't.

651
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: At the same time, in Viesca, two hundred PLM fighters,

652
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: women and men rose up. They take over the palace,

653
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: They bomb the house of the district boss. District bosses

654
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: are these like the political cronies of Diaz who oversee

655
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: all of the different things in a region. Right, they're

656
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: like just like the fucking symbol of corruption. They go

657
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: and they free all the prisoners in the jail. They

658
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: take over the town and they set up their platform,

659
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: which is the anarchism disguised as liberalism. They march off

660
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: to the next town. They're scattered by federal troops. In

661
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: akiyucn Okiukan, a city in southeast Mexico, the PLM did

662
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: the same thing. They empty at jail. They declare the

663
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 1: liberal program and that the dictatorship was dead. There's only

664
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: one exchange of gunfire in this particular time with some cops.

665
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: One revolutionary was injured, one cop was killed. In the end,

666
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: they're dispersed one fight near the border. So one of

667
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: the other things I kind of cut through it in

668
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: the fast forwarding when they were like hanging out in

669
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: the US, they make friends with the IWW, the Industrial

670
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: Workers of the world, who are like, if you end

671
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: up doing shows about the US and the nineteen tens

672
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: and twenties, you're gonna like the IWW because they're fucking

673
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: everywhere and they're doing everything cool. They are like the

674
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: ones who just like put a nail in Well, okay,

675
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: other people became racist and with labor unions later, but

676
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 1: they were the ones who were like, fuck racist labor

677
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: organizing that is some fucking bullshit, and like really actively

678
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: worked with a lot of different immigrant communities and not

679
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: just ethnic whites like previous Anyway, whatever, I like them.

680
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: They are a big part of They're like thrown down

681
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: with the Maganese as left and right, and they're like,

682
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: all right, we'll fucking help you in Vade Mexico whatever,

683
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: like all part of the same struggle, right, and this

684
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: I think that they were in this one border town

685
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,479
Speaker 1: because I think it's Les Vachas that I don't remember.

686
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: I didn't write into the fucking script I think the

687
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 1: IWW threw down because one poet later describing it, talks

688
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: about a blonde guy who's fighting for the anarchists, who

689
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: takes a bullet and the thigh, the shin in the

690
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: shoulder and keeps fighting.

691
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: That's hot.

692
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it makes me happy for the inner

693
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: like international Solidarity and the guy who takes three bullets,

694
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: and it's just like, you, fuck it, I'm Aragorn. You

695
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,959
Speaker 1: can't fucking see Bond, dude. Yeah, good for you, dude. Yeah,

696
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: it's like Yellen and German, He's like, what the fuck.

697
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: And everywhere they did this, people took note of the

698
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: fact that these rebels, compared to a lot of other

699
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: rebels in history, that they were all pretty used to.

700
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: They didn't rob or steal, and so they had the

701
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: people's support. They would I mean they would, like I

702
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: think they would rob banks, right, but they wouldn't like

703
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: take money from people. This all there's more fighting overall

704
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: the uprising. It fails, and no small part because the

705
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: Pinkertons and the US government doing all their investigations and shit.

706
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: So I think nineteen oh nine, shortly after this, there's

707
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: one indigenous Mayo guy. His name is Fernando Polmyraz and

708
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: he's like, well, we have a problem. Why don't we

709
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 1: go for the most direct solution that we can think

710
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: of for the problem of this dictator. So he waited

711
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: for Portfolio Diaz to give a public appearance and then

712
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: he shot him.

713
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: But uh oh, yeah, we know how he dies.

714
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: I know, he was wearing a bulletproof vest.

715
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 2: They have those in like nineteen twenty apparently ridiculous, I know,

716
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: and the crowd had the assassin's back.

717
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: And this is the first time whenever in the show

718
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: someone like goes up and tries to kill Azar or whatever,

719
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: the crowd is like fuck you and tries to kill

720
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: the assassin. Right now, people fucking hate Diaz. The crowd

721
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: who was there to see Diaz speak help his would

722
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: be assassin get away safely.

723
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: That's so embarrassing for him, I.

724
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: Know, you know, it's kind of just like it was

725
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: a draw, you know, like both people got away. And

726
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: in nineteen ten, Ricardo gets out of prison alongside a

727
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: bunch of other PLM folks in I think Los Angeles,

728
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: and they are met with crowds throwing flowers and cheering,

729
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: and so he's Ricardo Flora's mccon so immediately just goes

730
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: back to chainsmoking and sitting over a typewriter. Regeneralcion is

731
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: becoming internationalists. They now have an English language page is eventually,

732
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: and it's funny because like the Spanish language part of

733
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: it for a long time, eventually it balances out. For

734
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: a long time, the Spanish language part is like, we're

735
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: going to fucking overthrow this shit. We're going to redistribute

736
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: the lands. There's gonna be full fucking socialism is going

737
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: to fucking rule. And the English paper is like, us,

738
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: good liberals wish to see more democracy in Mexico, your neighbor.

739
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: Then it's crazy that like he had flowers thrown im

740
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: and should in like la and I've never heard of

741
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: this guy. Yeah, yeah, I mean like he had this

742
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: much investment in like US labor movements.

743
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, US labor movements and US and Mexican American rights,

744
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: which is later what he ends up fighting for a

745
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: lot too. And yeah, no is people are bad at memory,

746
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: which is why if they take these do we sell

747
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: memory pills? Sophie, Oh what about dick pills? We sell

748
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: dick pills sometimes more or less. Is that the occasionally

749
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: do we sell titty skittles? Does anyone advertise estrogen on

750
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: this show?

751
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 3: I feel like we got offered something for that at

752
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 3: one point, but I don't know.

753
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: If it actually happened. I don't care. I try to

754
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: not know as much about our ads.

755
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: That's that's fair. Well, let's refer to one of our

756
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: old standbys. This show is sponsored by the idea of

757
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: not talking to cops. If you're arrested, you just want

758
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: to talk to a lawyer, not a cop. Talking to

759
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: a cop won't make your case better. Talking to a

760
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: lawyer might. And then it also purchased shit. I guess

761
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: it doesn't actually impact us one way or the other,

762
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: whether or not you do.

763
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 3: Like a gift for your lawyer that teaches you to

764
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: shut the fuck up and not talk to cops.

765
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially if we're sponsored by Flowers.

766
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 2: I like Flowers. Yeah. Well that was nice.

767
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: Thanks, here's some ads. Then we're back. So they've started

768
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: their newspaper backup, running it out of LA They have

769
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: a new slogan Tierra, libertad Land and Liberty, which they

770
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: got from friends of the pod, the Russian neurodnicks. We're

771
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: early socialists and nihilis in Russia who left the cities

772
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: to go organize a Graian communities. He passes on this

773
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: slogan to Emiliano Zapata and it becomes one of the

774
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: main slogans of the Mexican Revolution. But more importantly than

775
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: newspapers and slogans, there's now a revolution. It's full scale.

776
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: It's in Mexico. A guy named Madero who could have

777
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: been in this story like eight times earlier, but I

778
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: kept cutting him out because eventually I'm going to do

779
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: a Mexican Revolution episode and he'll be all over it

780
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: as the almost good guy but kind of not. He

781
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: used to support mcgon when mcgone was more of a liberal,

782
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: but now mcgon's gone further left and Madero has gone

783
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: further to center. Madero ran for president in nineteen ten.

784
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: He was arrested. He lost a rigged election, so he

785
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: escaped from prison, goes to the US, calls for a revolution,

786
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: and basically he actually wants the liberal reforms in kind

787
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: of a century way, but he's pretty genuine about what

788
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 1: he wants. Madero writes the anarchists begging for their support,

789
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: and mcgon responds by writing an essay. It like publishing

790
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: an essay titled Madero is a Traitor to the cause

791
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: of liberty. We are now entering mcgon's curmudgeonly fuck stage

792
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: where he is mad that no one is as radical

793
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: as and now that the revolution is happening, which fair,

794
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: I mean he fucking him and his friends laid the

795
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: groundwork and then saw it not be what it could

796
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: have been. But the PLM, which is more and more

797
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: openly anarchist, they don't just sit the Mexican Revolution out.

798
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: The Mexican Revolution fought by several different armies working more

799
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: or less on the same side, but like not and

800
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: actually they end up in fighting each other. It's a

801
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: whole fucking thing. So the PLM is like, all right, well,

802
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: our big thing is that we invade Mexico from northern

803
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: from Texas and then try and set everyone free. So

804
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: they they played their strengths and they try to invade

805
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: Hihuahua State in northern Mexico. Just to get a sense

806
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: of when I say, land distribution was unequal in Mexico

807
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: during this time, the governor of Chihuahua was a banker

808
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: who personally owned two million acres of land. He also

809
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: owned the main bank in the area. His family owned

810
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: seventy million acres. They're just for a sense of scale,

811
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: because that's a number that just doesn't make any sense

812
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: to me. There are only seven states in the US

813
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: with more than seventy million acres total. Like this is

814
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: like if I don't know, one guy owned Nevada, Wow,

815
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: which is about.

816
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: That's so much for one guy to own.

817
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: I don't think he's just going to use it. I

818
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: don't think he's going to use it all.

819
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: I just don't think you can use seventy million acres.

820
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: And I know that's controversial, but I really, I really

821
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: think that. Can you imagine that water bill, especially.

822
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: If it's Nevada, right, Lord Jesuits, Yeah, you'd have an

823
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: army instead. Okay. Also, this extended family owns the railroads,

824
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: the mines, the mills, the sugar refineries, the breweries, the granaries,

825
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: the meat packing plants, and telephone companies of Chihuahua. Cool

826
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: so crony state.

827
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: Right.

828
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: So the PLM is like, all right, we're going to

829
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: bad Juaha one free. But they're already past their prime

830
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: at this point nineteen oh eight. They don't recover from it.

831
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: Hundreds or thousands of them have been murdered already their

832
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: leadership or anti leadership or whatever was still in exile.

833
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: Macgone never comes to the front. He stays in the US,

834
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: coordinating and writing. I don't think this was cowardice, because

835
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: nothing he can do is safe, right, But I don't know.

836
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: The best I read was basically people were like, he

837
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: didn't fancy himself a general or like a revolutionary leader, right,

838
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: But a lot of people are like, if he had

839
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 1: showed up, the people who are following his ideas would

840
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: have probably probably more people would have fought whatever. Maybe

841
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: if he had led it all at all would have

842
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: gone horribly bad, because he's not a fucking general. The

843
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: PLM march on Shiuahwa. They're coming from Texas. Their military

844
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: leader at this point is a guy named Guilletto who

845
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: had been writing for Regeneracy on as far as and

846
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: He's might be the actual source of the quote it's

847
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

848
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: It gets attributed to Zapata, but Guierto wrote an essay

849
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: under that name before Sapata even really came on the scene. Later,

850
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: FDR uses this quote it might just come from an

851
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: ancient Greek anyway, I really have always liked this quote,

852
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: so that's why I'm like, got really excited about It's

853
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: a great quote, trying to source it. One time Gietto,

854
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: when US cops tried to arrest him, he escaped out

855
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: his bedroom window on a rope made out of sheets

856
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: tied together. And I love how much weird, fucking wacky

857
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: shit actually happens in history, some cartoon shit.

858
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: I love it.

859
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they invade, They comer trains, they blow up bridges,

860
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: they recruit soldiers as they go. They go and they

861
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: liberate towns. The residents join their cause. When I say invade,

862
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: it's like worth pointing out that it's like the people

863
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: who live in Chua were happy about this. The only

864
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 1: people wo are unhappy about it. Other people control it. Right.

865
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: The Federal Army counter attacks and they drive the PLM

866
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: out and Guerto is killed. He dies on his feet

867
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: rather than living on his knees. I really liked him.

868
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: The PLM failed. So then they did the last militant

869
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: thing they did. They tried to take over Baja California.

870
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: They picked it because it's sparsely populated and almost all

871
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: the industry was owned by foreign assholes. The goal was

872
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: to turn it into a libertarian socialist region with equal

873
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: access to the means of production, redistribute all the land

874
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: to the peasants, all that good stuff. Over the course

875
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 1: of four months, the Mexican anarchists alongside the Tarahuma people,

876
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: Italian and Spanish anarchists, some soldiers of four who turned

877
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: out to be really shitty, like just bad people, and

878
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 1: comrades from the IWW in the US who don't suck.

879
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: They take control first of Mexicali, Los Agadonas, Tacte and

880
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: Tijuana one after the other, and they institute libertarian socialism

881
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: and they're like to each according to their ability, from

882
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: each according to their ability, to each according to need.

883
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 1: But they're defeated, and they're defeated because at this point

884
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: Madero has taken over, like Madero wins OUs Diaz. And

885
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: one of the first things that Madero does is he

886
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: puts down the PLM and he's like, I can't take

887
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: my revolutionary army, my usual the one that just won

888
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: me the revolution, because they like the PLM, and if

889
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: I take them, they'll probably all switch sides on me.

890
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: So instead he uses the federal troops, like the army

891
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: he just beat he takes them. He marches up to

892
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: Baja California and he puts down the rebellious workers in

893
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: Baja California who are trying to live free. He's supported

894
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: by the US government when he does this. And this

895
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: is like one of the most common tropes I ever

896
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 1: run across in history. A bunch of like actually radical

897
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: folks and anarchists and peasants and workers run to the

898
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: front lines and start the revolution. Then more moderate forces

899
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: conspire with literally their ostensible enemy to put them down.

900
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: And they use the same excuse that they always use.

901
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: They call the PLM bandits. This is why I don't

902
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: like Madero. This is why mcgone doesn't like Madero. Madero

903
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: goes on. The recuperation of the of the PLM starts immediately.

904
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: Madero goes on to claim that he was working outside

905
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: with sorry that he was working with the PLM. At

906
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: one point, he spreads a rumor that mcgone is his

907
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: vice president. And he does this. It wins over a

908
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: ton of the PLM fighters who come and join his armies. Right,

909
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: and this is where weighted to show your hand about

910
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: being a radical kind of fucks mcgone and the Maganesism.

911
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: The PLM over because he had waited so long to

912
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: make it clear the difference between the PLM and the moderates.

913
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: People had no reason to doubt Madero when Madero is like, oh, no,

914
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: they're with us, because they don't have a way of

915
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: knowing that they just all got murdered by Madero. Yeah,

916
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: the moderate sides to the US. This is the kind

917
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: of the sad part of the story where it all

918
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: goes to shit. That's always happens on cool people who

919
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: did cool stuff. Every story is a tragedy if you

920
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 1: don't know when to stop telling it. The moderate part

921
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: of the US Labor Movement, they take Madero's side in

922
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: the split. Mother Jones calls mcgon a fanatic and drops

923
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: her support because he won't play nice with Madero. And

924
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: she's right that he was a zealot. Right, and at

925
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: this point he is casting aside everyone who disagrees with him.

926
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: He is moody as fuck. He demands that he gets

927
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: his way. The revolution slips away from him, and he

928
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: lashes out at friend after friend, and he pushes them away.

929
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: At one point I think after this he ends up

930
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: and pushing away His remaining brothers were both his brothers.

931
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: It's probably for the best that he was a zealot

932
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: for an anti authoritarian cause, because that kind of zelotry

933
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: cannot just negatively impact a movement. His did has absolutely

934
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: negatively impacted the movement, but it can also cause people

935
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: with power to kill everyone they disagree with, and he

936
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: never did that. He cast people aside. But he did

937
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: not do what almost every other revolutionary leader does at

938
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: this stage. Right, only the syndicalist IWW and the anarchists

939
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: in the US labor movement and the anarchists in Mexico

940
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: support the PLM. Still most of them are still pretty

941
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 1: fucking mad at Macgon because he stayed in the US

942
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: the whole time, right, and he wasn't like in the

943
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: shit the Mexican Revolution continued, but today's the story of

944
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: the Maganeste does. And to close up on Magone himself,

945
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: he was arrested again, then he was set free, then

946
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: he was arrested again once when he was out. The

947
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: sort of revolutionary government of Mexico because like Madero gets

948
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: killed and then someone else comes in power, and someone

949
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: comes in power whatever, fucking the sort of revolutionary government

950
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: Mexico was like, look, you did a lot do you

951
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: want a pension, You can come back to Mexico and

952
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: we'll take care of you. Mcgonne is too fucking stubborn

953
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: or maybe two principal depends on you look at it.

954
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 1: His quote is thanks, but no, all money the state

955
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: has was stolen from the workers. He says that the

956
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,959
Speaker 1: money will only burn my hands and fill my heart

957
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: with remorse.

958
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 2: Okay, good point.

959
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he gets a few years of peace. He

960
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: and his wife and his daughter, as well as his

961
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: brother Enrique, and a bunch of other anarchists and several

962
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: other families. They buy like five or six acres in

963
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and they farm, and they're like poor at shit.

964
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: They scrape together enough money for like a shitty printing press.

965
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: They put regeneracy on back in but there's like no

966
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: one buying it anymore. PLM's fucking over. But he he

967
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: writes plays, He writes children's stories. He travels around speaking

968
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 1: about the Mexican Revolution and anarchism. He writes articles decrying

969
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: the treatment of Mexican Americans at the border. He also

970
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: prophetically warns that without internationalist revolution, US industry is going

971
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 1: to move to Mexico destroy the economy in Mexico forcing

972
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: immigrants from Mexico into the US.

973
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: Hit that one on the head, yeah, and.

974
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: Soon enough he goes back to prison again. This time

975
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: he goes back to prison for suggesting that workers should

976
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: refuse to fight the First World War. He's caught up

977
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: in the first Red Scare. Basically in the United States.

978
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: The US was like, look, if you say you're sorry,

979
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 1: we'll pardon you. But this is fucking magone. His mother

980
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: died without him there because she refused to ask him

981
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: to say he was sorry. He is sick as shit

982
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: with diabetes. He's like near blind, and he writes, and

983
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: this is one of the last things he writes, repentance.

984
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: I have not exploited the sweat, anguish, fatigue, and labor

985
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: of others. I have not oppressed a single soul. Nothing

986
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: to repent for. My life has been lived without my

987
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: having any wealth, power, or glory, when I could have

988
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: gotten these three things very easily. But I do not

989
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: regret it. Wealth, power and glory are only one by

990
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: trampling others' rights. My conscience is at peace, for it

991
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 1: knows that under my convict's garb beats an honest heart.

992
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: He fucking goes hard oh h. He was found dead

993
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: in his cell on November twentieth, nineteen twenty two, in

994
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: Fort Leavenworth Prison in Kansas, at forty eight years old.

995
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: He was very sick. Most of the anarchists at the

996
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: time believe he was murdered. One of his friends in

997
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: the prison heard a struggle and there were bruises around

998
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: his neck. One PLM supporter in prison said that a

999
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: guard had killed Magon, and then the person who said

1000
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: that was killed by seven guards. So he was either

1001
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: murdered by a guard or he was murdered by medical neglect.

1002
00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: Either way, that might be what I read in the Britannica. Yeah, yeah,

1003
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 2: you didn't want to spoil it. Uh huh.

1004
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: His wife, Maria lives in another twenty six years. She organized

1005
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: peasants to her last days. She dies in poverty because

1006
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: she too refused a pension in her dead husband's name.

1007
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: Mexico's like, Yo, you were mcgon's wife, you want a pension.

1008
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: She's like, she wasn't the like stuck with She wasn't

1009
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: like stuck with him. She was with him.

1010
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: You know.

1011
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: She was of the same sort as him, as far

1012
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: as I can tell. Yeah, cloth and yeah, now mcgon

1013
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: is remembered. He is remembered by the new government as

1014
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: the forebearer of the revolution, which he maybe would have hated.

1015
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: But actually it's his brother Enrique who does a lot

1016
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: of the fighting to make sure that his memory and

1017
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: the influence he had and the legacy of the PLM

1018
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: stays alive. In nineteen twenty, the tenant farmer movement in

1019
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: Veracruz started putting on mcgon's plays. Maganesta's stayed involved in

1020
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: social struggle right they were involved in the Campasino movement.

1021
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: They added revolutionary syndicalism to the mix and the workers movement.

1022
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty seven, Regeneracion went back into production, and

1023
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: soon it was run by a Federacion Anarchista Mexicana. The

1024
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: ideas and action informed not just the anarchist movement, but

1025
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: all the leftist and peasant movements in Mexico. Notably, it

1026
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: informed the Zapatistas, the indigenous uprising in Chiapas, who I

1027
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: will cover one of these days. It's been on top

1028
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: of the list since the beginning, but I just want

1029
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: to do it right. One of the towns in their territory.

1030
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: I think no, actually, I think there's more than one town.

1031
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 1: There's a town in Chiapas I believe called Ricardo Flores Magon.

1032
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: I believe that the town that he was born in.

1033
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: I didn't write this in the scripts. I don't remember

1034
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: all of it. They changed the name from like something

1035
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: something to something Flores Magon and Riccardo Floris Macgon's great

1036
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: great nephew runs a museum dedicated to the Maganestas in

1037
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: Mexico City, And while they're a little bit buried, they'll

1038
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: never be completely Yeah, that's the.

1039
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 2: Mag And that wasn't, in fact a cool person who

1040
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 2: did cool stuff.

1041
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

1042
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: I got so worried when, like it's always like halfway

1043
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: into the research that I find out someone was like

1044
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: a real fucking grouch, right, And I'm like, like, I

1045
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: was like three quarters the way through.

1046
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 3: Uh.

1047
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: One of the books I read about this before, they

1048
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: were like, oh and his wife Maria, And I'm like,

1049
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: the fuck's that didn't come up earlier? That's not worth

1050
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: telling me about. You know.

1051
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 2: You're like, so what's his relationship to his life?

1052
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: Right? And like you know, and and I don't know

1053
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: all of it, right, but that's my best inference is

1054
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: that he was a grouch, He pushed people away, he

1055
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: was a man, he was He fucking tried, and he

1056
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: didn't turn into the kinds of pieces of shit that

1057
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people do. And I can't even imagine

1058
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: what it's like to just like put everything into this

1059
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: and then just see it work but not. Yeah, you know,

1060
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: but for a lot of the people who were involved

1061
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: in the moment, it did work. You know, it didn't

1062
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: work by his standards, but it did work by a

1063
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: lot of people's standards. Yeah, that's what I got.

1064
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: Cool, It's a great story. Thanks, thanks Margaret.

1065
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, if people want to hear you tell stories about

1066
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: the current mess that is the right wing media sphere,

1067
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: how can they do it?

1068
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 2: Yes, you can find me on TikTok at kat m Aboo.

1069
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: Also subscribe to my YouTube, which is the same one

1070
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 2: that I've got to mention last episode. You can literally

1071
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: just look me up on the internet and you can

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Speaker 2: find me on Twitter, threads, blue Sky. There are too

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Speaker 2: many platforms nowadays. I have like a link tree on

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Speaker 2: my profile. But yeah, I talk about right wing media

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Speaker 2: and all those idiots.

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Speaker 1: Yay, Hey, I have a substack. You should, I like

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Speaker 1: keep saying I'm quitting Twitter and I'm like everyone who

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00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: says it, it's like the annoying person who doesn't leave

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Speaker 1: the party. It's like, I'm gonna leave. I'll probably go

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Speaker 1: down with the ship of Twitter. I'm not sure. I

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Speaker 1: just don't like social media, even though I do it.

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Speaker 1: I'm on it all the time, and so I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I almost don't want to start another one because I'm

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Speaker 1: just like, but I don't lose guy's fun.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you an invite code if you grab one

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Speaker 2: yet I am, I think, are you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I actually grabbed Margaret as a user name.

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Speaker 2: That's fucking cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it doesn't feel as like elite because there's

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00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: actually it's like Margaret dot b K s K.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And also there's no right now I'm following Oh great,

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00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 2: there's no video if they don't even have a betting

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00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: and yeah, all these places are just doing it like

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Speaker 2: half ass, so yeah, yeah, what.

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Speaker 1: Are they thinking? But yeah, I'm trying to write more substack.

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Speaker 1: And you can also follow Sophie around yeah town no, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: don't do that.

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Speaker 2: If you do that, my dog will fuck you up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I will follow iron dot Dragon at Blue sky Dot.

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Speaker 3: Exactly did you catch that? If you didn't too fucking bad. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 3: I want to plug our our lat like I don't

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Speaker 3: know whenever you're listening to this. We did a really

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Speaker 3: interesting episode on Behind the Bastards with Sarah Marshall that

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00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 3: was all about the kidnapping craze and conspiracies around that,

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00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 3: and Robert Evans did a really good article to go

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Speaker 3: along with it on his substack Shatters oone. So I

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Speaker 3: want to plug that.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm listening to while walking the dog. Yes,

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Speaker 1: today and tomorrow, oh, possibly dinner tonight.

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Speaker 2: That's that seems good. I was listening to walking about Town.

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Speaker 2: It's great.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, Wow. YouTube can be obsessed with cool Zone

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Speaker 1: Media like all of us are. That's we got to

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Speaker 1: bye bye.

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Speaker 3: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of

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Speaker 3: cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website.

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